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Speaker 1: great weekend in Central Indiana again, Colts Titans for twenty

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Speaker 1: the airwaves at six point thirty on Sunday on this

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Speaker 1: radio station when Indiana takes on the Minnesota Timberwolves. But

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Speaker 1: last night it was the Oklahoma City Thunder. And joining

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Speaker 1: us now in the Java House Peel and Port guest

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Speaker 1: line to discuss that is from the Indianapolis Star, Dustin.

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Speaker 2: Dorak.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Eddie, I almost said dope. Iak it's dope, PIERRAK.

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Speaker 1: We know, yes, thank you. He joins us now, Dustin,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing well?

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Speaker 3: Good to hear the good to hear the sound coming

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Speaker 3: back where we got to get used to this and

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Speaker 3: talking paces again.

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Speaker 1: That's right, well done, guys. You know we actually have

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Speaker 1: one also for your colleague that covers Indiana because it's

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Speaker 1: a no the hurdle of line, and of course I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about your friend and my friend Zach thank you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: But in this situation, it is actually Dustink who's joining

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Speaker 1: us on the show. All right, Dustin, let's get to

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Speaker 1: this takeaways from last night. The first is going to

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Speaker 1: be the Pacers at their point guard position. Ben Shephard

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Speaker 1: at that point. I thought Shepherd played okay, But what

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Speaker 1: do you think they'd do? What are we hearing on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have any like clarification on that this morning,

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Speaker 2: But uh Rick Carlo.

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Speaker 3: Didn't seem, you know, certainly seemed concerned and so at

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Speaker 3: this point, you don't don't know how long it could be. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: guess it'll be two weeks. On Saturday, is sort of

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Speaker 3: when they're saying, you know that, but we should ask

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Speaker 3: And it certainly seems like they're willing to try guys

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Speaker 3: They seem to trust Ben Shepherd in that case. They

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jordan Jordan left because he was suspended, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Right, right exactly. I mean this people are driven and

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Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't great, but I mean part of

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's fair to expect the unofficial

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Speaker 1: there is plenty to unpack. I'm going to begin with this, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: Rosie is now how old your daughter Rosie is?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: How old she is?

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Speaker 2: Five?

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Speaker 1: Five? Because your son Max, I know that in seeing

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I tweeted out last night, Jamison Brewer, Darryl Armstrong, Jamal Tinsley.

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Speaker 4: I mean, somebody some way head over to Saint Vitch

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Speaker 1: What about Gennaro Pargo or Eddie Gill Eddie Gills in house,

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Speaker 1: You know it's last night, late in the game. I

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Speaker 1: But you can you can piece meal it for patches

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if there's numbers that necessarily

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Speaker 4: Some NBA teams, that's primarily how they play. But the

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Speaker 4: I don't know the rosters of the NBA and how

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Speaker 1: For you guys in the morning, what percent would you

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Speaker 4: I just feel like a reinvigorated Pacer fandom around the city.

434
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Speaker 4: Like I thought yesterday was one of those. It wasn't

435
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Speaker 4: at a playoff game level, but like I'm going to

436
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Speaker 4: pick up my kids at school, and like the lady

437
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Speaker 4: in charge of the pickup line as she's like, you know,

438
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 4: sitting there, she's got her Pacer jacket on, and like,

439
00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 4: I noticed a couple other people out in public just

440
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,439
Speaker 4: like wearing their Pacer gear. And you know, I don't know,

441
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Speaker 4: but if I took like roll call in recent years,

442
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Speaker 4: I don't think the day of the Pacer season open

443
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Speaker 4: you would have had that many people realizing it was

444
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Speaker 4: even the Pacer season opener. So yes, I largely think

445
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 4: guys do with who the Colts opponent is. But I

446
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Speaker 4: also think last year's ron and just the college high

447
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 4: school feel to wanting to root and watch that team.

448
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of carry over even to

449
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Speaker 4: this year squad.

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Speaker 1: So if if Shane stike in with this game, okay

451
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Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle, for example, you know, I guess we were curious,

452
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Speaker 1: how are they going to look without Haliburton. You know

453
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Speaker 1: what happens once once nim Hart went out. You know, gosh,

454
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Speaker 1: did you hear nim Hart's down? You know, Ben Shepherd's

455
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Speaker 1: running points, So you turn it on to see that. Whatever,

456
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Speaker 1: if you're Shane Stikeen and you're looking at this game

457
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Speaker 1: with Tennessee, and you're looking at areas where you can

458
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Speaker 1: give yourself different looks or test yourself differently. Give me

459
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Speaker 1: an area that Shane Stikeen is saying to himself, I

460
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Speaker 1: need to get this going for my football team, and

461
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Speaker 1: this Sunday is the opportunity for me to do that.

462
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Speaker 1: The area to work things out. What is the first

463
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Speaker 1: kink the Colts want to try to get straightened?

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Speaker 4: Well, probably no one gets hurt and warm ups. Now

465
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Speaker 4: that you're back inside of Lucas Oil Stadium, I guess

466
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Speaker 4: I would start there. Yeah, from I mean from a

467
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Speaker 4: serious manner, I mean nothing offensively, I don't know, maybe

468
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Speaker 4: if Adie Mitchell, you know, a meaningful reper to I

469
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Speaker 4: mean defensively, Yeah, you have some things. I think the

470
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Speaker 4: plan for Camboard, though, can be a little bit different

471
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Speaker 4: than maybe for more of a traditional.

472
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Speaker 2: You know, pocket guy.

473
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Speaker 4: So yeah, I you know a little bit of that

474
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Speaker 4: KT to him all allow you know the the roocket

475
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Speaker 4: Ohio State. It looks like he's gonna play a little

476
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Speaker 4: bit more of a bigger role than he has. Certainly

477
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Speaker 4: early in the season you could probably point to him specifically.

478
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Speaker 4: Jalen Jones will not be called up this week, so

479
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Speaker 4: you're still kind of a week away from that. So

480
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Speaker 4: through them, Allela would would would probably be the one

481
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Speaker 4: that I could go to. But man offensively, again, outside

482
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Speaker 4: of you know, trying to give Adie Mitchell a little love,

483
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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think there's anything, you know, Michael

484
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Speaker 4: Badsley making a couple of field goals. Obviously don't want

485
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Speaker 4: to settle necessarily for field goals. But you know, anytime

486
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Speaker 4: a guy misses an extra point in the previous game,

487
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Speaker 4: particularly indoors, that might be something that you point through.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I saw an interesting article from some of the comments

490
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Speaker 1: that Adie Mitchell had made Kevin this week where for

491
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Speaker 1: the first time, you don't hear this a lot from athletes,

492
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Speaker 1: just like a combination of contrition, humility and also in

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Speaker 1: the case of Adi Mitchell. And I'm paraphrasing, but it

494
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Speaker 1: sounded almost like Adie Mitchell is like many of us

495
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Speaker 1: in the fact of waiting for Adie Mitchell to get going,

496
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Speaker 1: and I in hearing it, I thought to myself, and

497
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Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong here. This sounds like a player

498
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Speaker 1: that is broken and just doesn't know when it's going

499
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Speaker 1: to take off for him and that accelerates the sand

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Speaker 1: through the hourglass. Did I misread that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean broken. I think it is a big word, but.

502
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Speaker 1: I don't mean broken physically, I mean like emotionally.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, no, yeah, I know I knew

504
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Speaker 4: that you meant that. I like, whatever is a notch,

505
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Speaker 4: not as not as you know out on the ledge

506
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Speaker 4: is broken. I mean it. I mean it was very candid.

507
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Speaker 4: I guess I would start there, and you know, I

508
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Speaker 4: remember seeing James, but I think it was James Wood

509
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Speaker 4: and Nathan Brown, the new beat writer alongside Julie Harrison,

510
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Speaker 4: was sorry. I think they both were kind of over

511
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Speaker 4: there Dad Mitchell, and I remember walking over there. Just

512
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Speaker 4: chat with James about the show the next day and

513
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Speaker 4: he was like, man, I think some of the ad

514
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Speaker 4: Mitchell stuffs too good not to play and we actually

515
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Speaker 4: got to it this morning. And yeah, reading the comments,

516
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Speaker 4: I did feel like a dude that I mean that

517
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Speaker 4: this has impacted him significantly and again broken, you know,

518
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Speaker 4: I think it's a tad maybe unfair to him of like,

519
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Speaker 4: you know, I guess we haven't seen him yet in

520
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Speaker 4: another opportunity. I feel like if all of a sudden

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Speaker 4: you see him in another opportunity and what continued, screw

522
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Speaker 4: ups continued, lack of reliability continues to happen. Then you know,

523
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Speaker 4: maybe that term can apply. But he, I mean, he

524
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Speaker 4: definitely was very you know whatever shook it up by

525
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Speaker 4: what happened and now the benching from there. You know,

526
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Speaker 4: we're talking about a dude that a pretty highly ranked

527
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Speaker 4: recruit and started, you know, scored a touchdown as a

528
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Speaker 4: true freshman at Georgia in the National title like not

529
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Speaker 4: many guys do that, and then moved over to Texas

530
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Speaker 4: and had you know, great success.

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Speaker 2: There on the biggest stage. And albeit he didn't.

532
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Speaker 4: Play a ton of meaningful snaps as a rookie, you know,

533
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Speaker 4: he obviously.

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Speaker 2: Still had some sort of role.

535
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Speaker 4: And now it's like with the guy's healthy again, you know,

536
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Speaker 4: josh Awens is cleared kincushion protocoled Ashton Dolan looks like

537
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Speaker 4: he's gonna play.

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Speaker 2: I mean he said it to James.

539
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Speaker 4: I mean there is a real question of like, I

540
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Speaker 4: don't know when my snaps are going to come again,

541
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Speaker 4: and I think he means meaningful snaps. So yeah, it's

542
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Speaker 4: definitely a guy that I'm sure you know, reggylaying mentally

543
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Speaker 4: has probably had a walk of fine line with of

544
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Speaker 4: like he had. There's some punishment, but then there's there

545
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Speaker 4: kind of a build him back up. So uh, you know,

546
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Speaker 4: fourth quarter on Sunday, if you are a couple whatever

547
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Speaker 4: scores separating you from tennessee, Uh, I think it could

548
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Speaker 4: be wise and you know, try to get him involved

549
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Speaker 4: and try to get a little good on tape for him.

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Speaker 1: And furthermore, would we be would we be guilty of

551
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Speaker 1: over reading it? If let's say the Colts are up

552
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Speaker 1: two to three scores in the fourth quarter quarter and

553
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Speaker 1: Ady Mitchell is still not on the field in getting reps,

554
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Speaker 1: will that tell us a lot or should we still

555
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Speaker 1: pump the brakes?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: I guess I would start here. Is he definitely going

558
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Speaker 4: to be active? You know, because now you are back

559
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Speaker 4: to healthy at whiteout?

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Speaker 1: Correct me? Well, now, what's what's the latest on downs?

561
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Speaker 1: My apologies if you already mentioned it. I know that

562
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Speaker 1: he did practice, but I believe he is still in protocol.

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Speaker 2: Correct it down clear has clear protoc Okay.

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Speaker 4: So James yeah said that a little bit earlier, So

565
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Speaker 4: he is clear protocol and Ash Newland should be good

566
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Speaker 4: to go.

567
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Speaker 2: So you're back to your normal healthy group at.

568
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Speaker 4: Wide Out, which again you really haven't been that since

569
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Speaker 4: Mitchell had his whatever snafoo, whatever you want to call it.

570
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Speaker 4: So I don't I don't get the vibe that like,

571
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Speaker 4: he's definitely going to be on the an active list.

572
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Speaker 4: But at the same time, you know, we've we've kind

573
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Speaker 4: of yet to see this here, So yeah, that's probably

574
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Speaker 4: something that you know, not even it's four kickoff, will

575
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Speaker 4: be something to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen is our guest. You hear him on The

577
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Speaker 1: Fan Morning Show of course with Jeff Ricker and James

578
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: Boyd each morning from seven until ten am. Obviously, his

579
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: podcast is well available at one oh seven to five

580
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Speaker 1: the fan dot com. Kevin trade deadline, I believe is

581
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Speaker 1: a week from Tuesday, but November fourth is the date. Specifically,

582
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Speaker 1: if you had if I said to you right now, Kevin,

583
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Speaker 1: I just got my DeLorean one point twenty one Jiggo

584
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Speaker 1: Watts eighty eight miles an hour, I was able to

585
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Speaker 1: go into the future. The Colts, in fact are making

586
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Speaker 1: a trade deadline move. They made one I know for

587
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Speaker 1: a fact, and it's a defensive player. Would you guess

588
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Speaker 1: that it is a pass rusher or a defensive back.

589
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: It's a great question.

590
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Speaker 4: I know it sounds like a cop out, but I

591
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 4: would almost flip a coin. I think you could get

592
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: talked into either. I am probably more team pass rusher,

593
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 4: but you know, I think I could hear the Colts

594
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 4: to make an argument for you know, Corner as well.

595
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 4: I kind of look at Corner and think a little

596
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: bit of okay to various wards. You know, supposed to

597
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Speaker 4: be back in a couple of weeks, and you know,

598
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Speaker 4: Jalen Jones isn't this week, but you know he could

599
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Speaker 4: be back, you know here at the end of October

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Speaker 4: start in November. You know, do you look at those

601
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Speaker 4: as kind of like some trade deadline additions for you again,

602
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Speaker 4: that's kind.

603
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Speaker 2: Of how I view it, But I think, you know,

604
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Speaker 2: in a.

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Speaker 4: Perfect world, they would add some some serious juice to

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Speaker 4: that defense. The problem is perfect world and the trade

607
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 4: deadline are usually not phrases that coexists, particularly in the NFL.

608
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: So again, how much do you want to give up?

609
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 4: And can you find two to tango? All of that

610
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: can be very cool. As much of trade activity as

611
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Speaker 4: we had kind of early October with the dead line,

612
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 4: we really just had a very quiet week in the

613
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 4: NFL from a trade standpoint. And again it's a week

614
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Speaker 4: from Tuesday is a trade deadline, so you know, two

615
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Speaker 4: more games of evaluation for teams.

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Speaker 2: All around the league. Are you a buyer? Are you

617
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Speaker 2: a seller? Are you not? Are you trying to save

618
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Speaker 2: your job?

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Speaker 4: You know this and now there's so many factors away here,

620
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Speaker 4: but yes, I do think the Colts would have some

621
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: definite interest on the defensive.

622
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Speaker 2: Side of the ball.

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Speaker 4: You could probably talk me or them, frankly into either

624
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 4: the end or corner keV.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know if you look at the prolific

626
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Speaker 1: pass rushers that had to be organically grown within this franchise.

627
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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, you can go out and I'm not

628
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: talking about guys that they have traded for or moves

629
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Speaker 1: they've made. But you know, Freenie and matthis other two.

630
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Speaker 1: You know they're always going to be the gold standard,

631
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: right But you know, Freanie took a while. I mean

632
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: I think that we forget that Dwight. Freenie was not

633
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: just you know, rip off the bubble wrap and boom

634
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: he was producing sacks. It took a while with Leatu Latu.

635
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Speaker 1: That's why I keep going back to with Lasu, who

636
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Speaker 1: I do think looks active and gets himself right there

637
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Speaker 1: where he needs to be. And clearly he has been

638
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: a part of some big plays so far this year.

639
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Speaker 1: But do you think that they expected more at this

640
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Speaker 1: rate from him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 4: I think so, because you know, this is a guy

643
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Speaker 4: that produced at a very high level back when the

644
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Speaker 4: PAX level is still the Pac twelve, you know, in

645
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Speaker 4: his final two seasons there at UCLA, and so I

646
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Speaker 4: think the thought was, you know, sometimes you see this

647
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Speaker 4: there are a couple for Quity Pay honestly, was a

648
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Speaker 4: first down or the first round pass rusher that maybe

649
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Speaker 4: didn't have the high popping sacks, you know, the first

650
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Speaker 4: first team All Conference, the first team All American, you know,

651
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 4: those sorts of things, whereas a lot to you felt

652
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 4: like was more of a ready made pass rusher. And yeah,

653
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 4: I mean he's definitely had some pressures, and you know,

654
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 4: to your point, he's had some moments, but he had

655
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Speaker 4: two things. A. I think the Colts neat to finish

656
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: off their pressure is better, and B they have to

657
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 4: get quicker pressure. I think that is something that's hert

658
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 4: them of. You know, when you see them make plays

659
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 4: from their defensive front. I think too often it usually

660
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: is predicated on some sort of stunt action which usually

661
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: takes a while for that to get home, or just

662
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: kind of a high effort play, you know the Jacobe

663
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: Versett third and goal where for Sett, you know, scrambles

664
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Speaker 4: out of the pocket and then that's where all of

665
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 4: a sudden Quinny pay into Forrest Buckner. I think in

666
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 4: mind on it, you know, they had already had their

667
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 4: initial rush and now it took their second rush, which

668
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Speaker 4: again part of that is playing d line and being

669
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Speaker 4: a pass rusher, but that obviously means the quarterbacks holding

670
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Speaker 4: out of the ball a little bit longer.

671
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Speaker 2: And if you look at the last two weeks, ver.

672
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Speaker 4: Setting it and Herbert two guys that actually hold on

673
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: to it a little bit longer than most. They both

674
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: have held on to it extra longer against the Colts,

675
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 4: and I think part of that's because they have had

676
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 4: the chance to do that. So I think those are

677
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: some areas that you know, definitely need some work as

678
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 4: you start to play you know better and or more

679
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 4: veteran quarterbacks here moving forward.

680
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,719
Speaker 1: Okay, Kevin, I want you to pretend for a second.

681
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: I want you to imagine a scenario or a scenario,

682
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: depending on which way you like to pronounce the word. So,

683
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: in this hypothetical that I'm presenting to you, Kevin Bowen,

684
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: I need you to imagine for me that you are

685
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: at your favorite florist shop, mom and pop shop, card store,

686
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, and you are looking for a

687
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: gift for your wife for the next holiday that is

688
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: just around the corner, whatever the next holiday might be.

689
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: In this scenario, while you're looking, and all of a sudden,

690
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: your phone buzzes and you look down and it is

691
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: James Boyd saying, Hey, I just got news. The Colts

692
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: are extending Daniel Jones. He has a contract extension and

693
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: they've re signed him. You stop right there and you're like, well,

694
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: I got to get into work and get going. As

695
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: a result of that, that means that you are punting

696
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: on buying the gift for your wife that is for

697
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: what holiday?

698
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: Hey?

699
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 4: That is goss Eddie Garrison. Have you ever just life together?

700
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: Peaked Jake query questions. We used to throw this one

701
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: in there. I mean, I had no doubt that that

702
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 4: took a late turn.

703
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: I thought I was stuck on the present.

704
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: I was stuck on the you know, Etsy, I've been

705
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 4: told by my wife, no more Etsy gifts.

706
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: Too many, you know, I'm sorry.

707
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 4: The Google searches just produce more Etsy ideas than they

708
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: do any others.

709
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: What holiday, boy, that is a that is a good one. Boy.

710
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 4: My mind's kind of Valentine's Day to Saint Patrick's Day.

711
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 4: I'm kind of in that window. Yeah, you know, I

712
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 4: think there are some complications of doing it in season.

713
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 4: You know, I think there are some reservations maybe of

714
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: you know, if you're Daniel Jones's camp, is there any

715
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: amount of view that says.

716
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: Hey, let's bet on ourselves.

717
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: I mean, let's let's oh, you know totally, let's Benedict

718
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 4: mathering it up.

719
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: I mean, is he look at this.

720
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: And say, is he Myles Turner right where all of

721
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: a sudden, like it's everybody just assumes he's coming back,

722
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, man, you didn't. You guys were

723
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: unaware of it. But at the eleventh hour, guess what

724
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: the Vikings just came to me with his huge offer.

725
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

726
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 4: Right now again, the Colts could franchise tag it, and

727
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken, typically that tag window happens just

728
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 4: after Valentine's Day, just kind of you know, mid to

729
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 4: late February, and then it usually is like the first

730
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 4: week of March. And I want to say with Pittman,

731
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: I think the Colts waited all the way until the

732
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: final hour of that window. So you know, that's kind

733
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 4: of where I'm at from a holiday standpoint there. Gosh,

734
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 4: now I'm sweating about presence and you know which presents

735
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 4: are haven't gotten here? So boy, now you're make me

736
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: nervous day.

737
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: It's not Mother's Day, right.

738
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't.

739
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean he's a free agent, so yeah,

740
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: I mean it's got to be by you know, whatever

741
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: the new calendar year is for the NFL coming up, so.

742
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: Which would mean I mean you're you're looking late March then,

743
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: right right mid.

744
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: March typically, yeah, but I mean in season, I get

745
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 4: we we we were talking with Steven Holder about this.

746
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 4: I believe there are some complications. Is how much you

747
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 4: can increase his cap number two within the season, like

748
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 4: giving him an extension here in twenty twenty five. And also,

749
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 4: you know, if you do make a trade deadline move,

750
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 4: obviously that might hinder a little bit of what you're doing.

751
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: But you know, it's a great problem to have, but we're.

752
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: Not really used to this with the Colts, like.

753
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: You know, and they weren't necessarily planning for this either

754
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: with Anthony Richardson, to be clear, Like if Richardson would

755
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 4: have had a nice season this year, like if he

756
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 4: would have had Daniel Jones the season, he still is

757
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: under contract for next year on the rookie deal, and

758
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 4: he has a fifth.

759
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: Year team option after that.

760
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 4: So you know, even with Richardson's you know, arc again,

761
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 4: just play out a hypothetical. I know it sounds ludicrous,

762
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 4: but if he were having a great season, the financial

763
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 4: books for the Colts were not accounting for this, whereas

764
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 4: now the Daniel Jones season, you've got to pay him.

765
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 4: Now now you can slap the tag on him.

766
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: For one year and whatever it is, forty million.

767
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance, Kevin, do you think

768
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: there's any chance that Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen are

769
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: saying to themselves this is what but before we commit

770
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: multi years at high price tag, we still need to

771
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: be proven a little more. Or do you think they

772
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: have they have the conclusion.

773
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I think they're very very comfortable with that.

774
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 4: But one thing we know about Ballard, I mean he

775
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 4: has always been a big deadlines, deadlines dead you know,

776
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 4: deadlines per action. So I don't you know, I think

777
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 4: they are very comfortable with them. But Daniel Jones has

778
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 4: some injury history, and you probably just want to see

779
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 4: the entire season play out and not rush to anything.

780
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 4: And you know, if you want to look at it

781
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 4: right now, their contract. You guys are playing pretty good football,

782
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 4: many of them, Alec Pierce, Nick Cross, Daniel Jones.

783
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: I think Brandon Smith's.

784
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: Playing good football, yeah for sure, you.

785
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 4: Know, outside of probably Quitty Pay and I don't know,

786
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 4: you know, I'm missing some other ones. You know, I

787
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 4: think their contract, you guys are having some pretty good seasons.

788
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: So again, making all of that work, putting all the

789
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 4: puzzle together, it's probably the most financial questions I've had

790
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 4: the Pults in regards to quality players with extension in

791
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: quite some time.

792
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, Kevin, Alec Pierce becomes interesting. And

793
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: let me tell you why. Alec Pierce has kind of

794
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: redefined himself in terms of what kind of receiver he

795
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: can be, because we know, going into the air, it

796
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: was like Alec Pierce is your deep ball threat. Right,

797
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: He is obviously shown now a versatility of where he

798
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: can make plays getting the ball he doesn't you don't

799
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: have to wait on him to get you know, twenty

800
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: yards deep. Right. That may in fact make him appealing

801
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: to a wider array of NFL teams that could come

802
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: and make him an offer and thus up his price

803
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: tag even more. Right, So he becomes another one that's

804
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: kind of slippery in terms of trying to navigate through

805
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: how the numbers crunch across the board. Is that fair

806
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: to say?

807
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's gonna be highly coveted. I think

808
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 4: the contract will surprise some people. And I also think

809
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 4: we have to keep in mind Michael Pittman Junior signed

810
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 4: an extension two years ago for just three years for

811
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 4: a reason. He wanted to hit the open market again.

812
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 4: He wanted to Terry McLaurin it. I mean, remember back

813
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: in August when Terry McLaurin, you know, had signed that

814
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 4: you know, shorter deal. He wants to you know, it's

815
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 4: tough for NFL guys to really cash in on three deals,

816
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 4: your rookie deal, the second contract, and the third one.

817
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 4: But that was the game that Pittman wanted to play

818
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 4: and you know, it looks like a very nice contract

819
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 4: right now for the.

820
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: Colts, and it has been.

821
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 4: But his thought was, hey, you know it'll be two

822
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 4: years and then I'll have the opportunity to try.

823
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: And get a third one. Well that's this off season.

824
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: So you know, is there any sort of debate that

825
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 4: you know, again an Ady Mitchell situation where he plays

826
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 4: into it two of Hey, it's an.

827
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: Either or with Pierce or Pittman.

828
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: I think these are all sorts of conversations that they

829
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 4: could very well and need to have.

830
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: You know, Kevin, it goes back to and you and

831
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: I have talked about it going on the way back.

832
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: But when Lance Stevenson became a free agent with the

833
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: Pacers and he took the deal with Charlotte, that was

834
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: money and everybody thought he was an idiot. But the

835
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: reason that was is because of the years on it.

836
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: Because he wanted to go back into free agency in

837
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: a collective bargaining year where the new TV money came in.

838
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: He'd gambled on himself and lost there. But yes, players

839
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: do think about years on a contract as well as

840
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: the numbers on the contract. All right, last question, Kevin

841
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: World Series getting underway tonight you were rooting for which.

842
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: Oh you can't root for the Dodgers, right, thank you know.

843
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: I've been a diar Blue Jays fan now for going

844
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: on eight weeks. I was a huge fan of the eighties.

845
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: I was all on board in the early nineties in college.

846
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: I still have the hat for the ninety three World Series.

847
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm all in, Kevin, I'm all in.

848
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: Was that the hat and that's the compliment.

849
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 4: It was that the hat you were wearing earlier this week?

850
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: I have two. I have the the white paneled the

851
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: literally the ninety three one that has the ninety three

852
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: World Series, and then I have an all blue one

853
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: with a blue blue Jay on it. So I think

854
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: the second one is the one that you saw me

855
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: wearing if you were looking on YouTube.

856
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you look you look good.

857
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: It might be that Scott Johnston was wearing today, keV.

858
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw Scotty or not. Scotty

859
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: never wears the same hat twice.

860
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: Yes, Scotty looked great, per usually, But yes, fly Blue

861
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: Jays fly or whatever.

862
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: That that's right. Should we actually be rooting for the

863
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: Dodgers because if they win, they may not feel inclined

864
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: to go out and spend money to get some of

865
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: these top free agents because if they lose you. Here's

866
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: the thing. The funny thing is the blue Jays are

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Speaker 1: the fifth highest payroll in baseball, the young, plucky blue

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Speaker 1: Jays that have the fifth highest payroll. So it's not

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Speaker 1: like it's but yes, everything is minuscule compared to the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers payroll, no question. All right, Kevin, enjoy the weekend.

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Speaker 2: All right, have a great weekend, guys.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen joining us on the program.