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Speaker 1: I just think Jacksonville is a tough situation, Jake. Christmas

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Speaker 1: A well, but it's just is machine gun Kelly going

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Speaker 1: with the like sensitivity for you know, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, like, did did he just get uncomfortable with

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Speaker 1: machine gun? I think a machine gun is like al

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Speaker 1: Capone personally, but maybe it takes a different connotation.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, but.

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Speaker 1: Either way, MGK ak to Colson Baker, tickets to give away?

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Speaker 1: What's the head aka Colson Baker? Yeah, right, that's the

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Speaker 1: name Coulson Baker, that's his real name. Yeah, that's I'd

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Speaker 1: also go by MGK. Then we have tickets give away

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Speaker 1: and we will do it with baseball. But when we

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Speaker 1: come back, there is something that took place in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: that has me absolutely thrilled. It's been a long time,

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Speaker 1: a long time since something in the city of Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: from a sports standpoint has excited me Like something that

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Speaker 1: I saw yesterday. I am so happy, so thrilled, so geeked,

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Speaker 1: almost as much as a former Indianapolis person appears to

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Speaker 1: be thrilled and geeked and said something about his excitement

451
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Speaker 1: that made me go, what in the world that I

452
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Speaker 1: just hear? And we'll play that for you next. So

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Speaker 1: yesterday was media day for the Pacers and the other

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Speaker 1: teams around the NBA. It's always a fun time to

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Speaker 1: look and see where some players are ending up. For example,

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there scrolling social media and I see a

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Speaker 1: video of Kevin Love, who looks like he's getting ready

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Speaker 1: to star in some sort of nineteen thirties like gangster

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Speaker 1: film and he's in Utah. Now, oh, okay, what isn't

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Speaker 1: that right?

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Speaker 2: I had no idea what Kevin Love is playing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's one of those guys that Kevin

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Speaker 1: Love is like the Western Conference version of Al Horford.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait every time you think, like, isn't he

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Speaker 1: forty seven years old? And then he comes out and

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Speaker 1: has a thirteen and eight game and a key playoff

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Speaker 1: moment By the way, Al Horford just ain't a multi

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Speaker 1: year deal with the Golden State Warriors. How old is

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Speaker 1: he now?

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Speaker 2: I believe he's forty two.

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Speaker 6: Thirty nine.

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Speaker 2: He'll be yeah, thirty nine, he'll be forty in June.

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Speaker 2: But I can't wait, Jake, because every year, at least

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Speaker 2: with T and T, they would test Charles Barkley's knowledge

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Speaker 2: on where are they at now and just put up

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Speaker 2: random players in and have him guess where they're at.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's wrong like ninety nine percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: And I understand that, you know, I mean, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of things. I've never understood why they have

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Speaker 1: Barkley and Kenny Smith doing the NCAA tournament because it's

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Speaker 1: clear they don't watch any college basketball. And I understand

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Speaker 1: that they're doing NBA games over the course of the year,

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Speaker 1: but then they get into the Tournament's like what in

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Speaker 1: the world? But okay, so let's get into what did

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Speaker 1: take place for NBA Media Day in Milwaukee Miles Turner.

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Speaker 1: I thought Eddie made an interesting point yesterday. Do we

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Speaker 1: have the audio from Aaron Neismith when I asked him

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Speaker 1: about Miles Turner and getting the news that Miles Turner

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Speaker 1: was leaving and the way aaron Neismith asked that question.

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Speaker 1: We had aaron Ne Smith on yesterday and I asked him,

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Speaker 1: were you surprised about Miles Turner? And I believe he

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Speaker 1: said yes. And then I said, you know, when did

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Speaker 1: you find out about it? And he said, I can't

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Speaker 1: remember exactly how he worded it. Let me know if

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Speaker 1: we if we have that, Eddie, we do have it.

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Speaker 1: This is Aaron Nee Smith talking about Miles Turner's decision

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Speaker 1: to leave the Indiana Pacers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Si, you know, to mention to the group, chat about

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Speaker 6: his decisions and why he made it.

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Speaker 7: I'm also I'm just the type of guy that you know,

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Speaker 7: I wish him nothing but the best. He did well

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Speaker 7: he thought was right for him and his family. And

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Speaker 7: we'll see him when he played Milwaukee. You know, I'll

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Speaker 7: give him a big hug at half court. But you know,

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Speaker 7: once the game starts, you know, I got to win

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Speaker 7: the game.

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Speaker 1: Did he say what the reason was?

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Speaker 3: A No, that's him, that's for him. That's for him

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Speaker 3: to speak all.

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Speaker 1: Which is a good answer, right, But he did say

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Speaker 1: he was surprised. Now, the reason that's interesting is because

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Speaker 1: we were led to believe when it happened that Miles

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Speaker 1: Turner didn't tell anybody, but he just now he admittedly

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Speaker 1: that group text that he mentioned that with Aaron NEI

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Speaker 1: Smith may have been well after he had already signed

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Speaker 1: and that announcement had come out. Probably was. But for

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Speaker 1: the in the week afterwards, you know, that was the

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Speaker 1: word of like Miles Turner, he changed his phone and

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Speaker 1: he hasn't talked to anybody and he's gone either way,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to get into what I believe went

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Speaker 1: down here, but either way, Miles Turner was he throwing

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Speaker 1: a little shade at Indianapolis yesterday. Here's Miles Turner in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 8: One thing I'm doing now is embracing change, you know,

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Speaker 8: embracing this, this this cool.

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Speaker 6: Part of my career.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm going heading to my prime.

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Speaker 8: You know, I'm twenty nine years old, going to my

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Speaker 8: eleventh season, and you know, I'm am in a city

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Speaker 8: now that you know, wants to celebrate me. You know,

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Speaker 8: somewhere they didn't know. There's a great quote that says,

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Speaker 8: you know, go where you're celebrated, and I feel like

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Speaker 8: that's here, you know, I think that's people are excited

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Speaker 8: to have me here at people and nothing more welcoming.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm excited for that. A city that's go

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Speaker 1: where you are celebrated, and I think my Turner was

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Speaker 1: celebrated here. I'm there for the vast majority of games

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Speaker 1: that are played, and I hear Miles Turner and hear

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Speaker 1: his name being chanted and other such things, and Turner's

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Speaker 1: Block and the fans that are up there, and you

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Speaker 1: know the love that is given and was given to

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Speaker 1: Miles Turner. I also am aware of the fact that

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Speaker 1: Miles Turner became kind of the immediate de facto blame

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Speaker 1: for a lot of what took place with Indiana, with

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Speaker 1: the Pacers. Turner's too soft, Turner got in foul trouble. Look,

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Speaker 1: there's three minutes left in Turner only has two rebounds.

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Speaker 1: And Miles Turner was really kind of the opposite of

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Speaker 1: Rick Smit's And what I mean by that Rick Smitz

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Speaker 1: was a guy that early in games you could tell

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Speaker 1: whether or not it was going to be a Rick

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Speaker 1: Smith's gamer, a non rixi Its game. And if he

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Speaker 1: missed his first shot or two and the ball just

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Speaker 1: was not dropping for him, then you knew that it

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Speaker 1: was not going to be a great day for rick

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Speaker 1: Smith's offensively, speaking and knowing Rick Smith's defensive liabilities, you

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Speaker 1: would say to yourself, if Smit's isn't giving them anything offensively,

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Speaker 1: then why is he out there? And there were games

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Speaker 1: with Turner. Turner was predominantly out there for what he

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Speaker 1: could create defensively. And I've always said Miles Turner's contribution

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Speaker 1: to the Pacers and what he did that was unique

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Speaker 1: more so than any other player on the roster, is

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Speaker 1: he was able to get rebounds and then facilitate their

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Speaker 1: quick transition by getting a quick outlet pass and then

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Speaker 1: trailing and when he would get to the play, if

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Speaker 1: in fact the play would have to be set up,

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Speaker 1: he was then coming down in position at the time

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Speaker 1: top of the key, which is where their offense ran

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Speaker 1: through anyway, and he was at sprinkler system spreading the

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Speaker 1: ball around from the top of the key, and it

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00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: worked perfectly. It worked perfectly. But there were games where

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Speaker 1: other teams would neutralize him in terms of what he

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Speaker 1: was trying to do defensively and keep him off the glass.

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Speaker 1: And then you would say to yourself, if Miles Turner

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Speaker 1: is not facilitating their offensive pace and playing defensively in

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Speaker 1: terms of getting rebounds or limiting what's taking place with

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Speaker 1: his rim protection. Then why is he out there? He's

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Speaker 1: the opposite Rick Smith's more often than not, though he

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Speaker 1: was out there as a difference maker within that franchise.

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Speaker 1: The style that he wanted to play, the pace that

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00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: he could play, the versatility with which he could play.

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Speaker 1: He was very, very good. But even with that, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it's at any fault of the Pacers. It's

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Speaker 1: a fact of business. Even at that, his name was

584
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: routinely linked in trade rumors. Now, not every trade rumor

585
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: was legitimate or was created by Indiana's front office, but

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Speaker 1: the fact that his name would come up eventually, for

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Speaker 1: Miles Turner, he had to hear, gosh, they're always wanting

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Speaker 1: to get rid of me. They're always wanting to get

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Speaker 1: rid of me, et cetera. And then he finds out

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Speaker 1: that he comes into work one day and they go,

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Speaker 1: did you hear what they just offered Deondre Ayton an

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Speaker 1: offer sheet? Now, I personally believe that you cannot rule

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Speaker 1: out the possibility. I'm not saying the probability, but you

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Speaker 1: can't rule out the possibility that Indiana made that offer

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Speaker 1: sheet to Phoenix to increase Phoenix's price and force Phoenix

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Speaker 1: into overpaying for DeAndre Ayton, because perhaps there were other

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Speaker 1: players that Indiana was targeting and they thought Phoenix would

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Speaker 1: be the comp petition, but they knew that Phoenix would

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Speaker 1: overpay for DeAndre Ayton. I'm not saying that that's probable,

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Speaker 1: but it is possible. But either way, Miles Turner knew

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Speaker 1: that while Miles Turner was healthy and Miles Turner was

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Speaker 1: getting ready to head into a contract period, that the

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00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: Pacers instead went out and offered to DeAndre Ayton, which

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Speaker 1: theoretically would have made Miles Turner expendable. And so Miles

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00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: Turner at that point thinks to himself, Fine, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to forget that. I'm not gonna forget when my

607
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: time comes and you want me here, that there was

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Speaker 1: a time where you didn't. I'm not saying it makes

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Speaker 1: them right. I'm not saying it makes it justified, but

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Speaker 1: I'm saying I do from a human nature standpoint understand,

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00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: and athletes are a strange bird. Athletes motivate themselves in

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00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: different ways. Some guys motivate themselves so they can be

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00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: on a billboard in Times Square. Some guys motivate themselves

614
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: so that they can get their own signature shoe. Some

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00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: guys motivate themselves so they can try to date Rihanna,

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00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: and some athletes motivate themselves by creating. Michael Jordan made

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Speaker 1: up an entire story about le Bradford Smith talking trash

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Speaker 1: about him. Le Bradford Smith, who was barely hanging on

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Speaker 1: the Washington Wizard's roster bullets back then as a dynamic

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Speaker 1: guard out of Louisville, and le Bradford Smith is like,

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Speaker 1: what is he talking about? Jordan goes out, blasts him,

622
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Speaker 1: goes for forty or something like that in a big game,

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Speaker 1: and then afterwards says, oh, no, I completely made the

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Speaker 1: story up about le Bradford Smith. I just wanted the

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Speaker 1: media to talk about it so it would start to

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Speaker 1: drive me into the fact that I had reason to

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Speaker 1: beat this guy. And I think in Miles Turner's case,

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Speaker 1: he kept going back to that. He kept hearing the

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton thing in his head, He kept hearing the

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Speaker 1: trade rumors in his head. He kept hearing the times

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Speaker 1: that fans got restless or called in or told people

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Speaker 1: on this radio show that we didn't know what we're

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00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: talking about because Miles Turner soft and I think he

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00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: just said, you know what, I need change of pace,

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Speaker 1: and he is. He allowed himself to be so driven

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00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: by that that it even came out in the press conference.

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Speaker 1: But he leaves a town that just did something that

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Speaker 1: literally had me awake at two thirty in the morning,

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Speaker 1: and I thought about it again at three forty eight,

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Speaker 1: and I could not be more excited. And I planned

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00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: part of my week around exhibiting my excitement and being

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00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: able to then exhibit for everyone else my excitement. I'll

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00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: let you know what that is. And again MGK tickets

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00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: to give away based on your baseball acumen on today's

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00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: show as well. What if you are driving in downtown

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis and you drive roughly. I don't mean you're driving

647
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: your car roughly, I mean approximately if you go south

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Speaker 1: on Central Central Avenue from the north side. So let's

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Speaker 1: say you're at like sixteenth and Central and you head south,

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Speaker 1: I think you can go south on Central you eventually

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Speaker 1: get to the overpass. That is, whether it's seventy or

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Speaker 1: sixty five now the way they've rerouted that, I always

653
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Speaker 1: get confused, But what is basically the old Spaghetti Bowl

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Speaker 1: right there. Likewise, if you are coming up mass Ave

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Speaker 1: and when you get to mass Ave, you take a

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Speaker 1: left on College, and as you go up College, there

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Speaker 1: is an overpass there as well, a big, huge one

658
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Speaker 1: now that would be seventy eastbound that is going right

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Speaker 1: over where you are. And if you were to close

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Speaker 1: your eyes and snap your fingers and say take me

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00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: back one hundred and twenty five years ago, let's say

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00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: you would be at that time in the African American

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Speaker 1: neighborhood of segregated Indianapolis. There were two predominantly black neighborhoods

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis during segregation of Indianapolis. The first being that

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Speaker 1: area that I'm talking about on what basically was the

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Speaker 1: near north side back in those days, just to the

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00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: west of Lockerbie, and the other would be basically the

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Speaker 1: exit ramp of If you are on I sixty five

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Speaker 1: southbound coming into downtown and you get to that point

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Speaker 1: where you look on your left and Methodist Hospitals right there,

671
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Speaker 1: and you can exit right there and go down the

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Speaker 1: exit ramp to MLKA and West Street immediately to your right,

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Speaker 1: and underneath that exit ramp is where major Taylor was born,

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Speaker 1: and Major Taylor was the first African American world champion

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Speaker 1: in any sport that happened in cycling as a sprint

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Speaker 1: cyclist in the early twentieth century. Matter of fact, I

677
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Speaker 1: believe nineteen oh two was when he became a world champion.

678
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: He went to Paris to race there, and ironically enough,

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Speaker 1: part of how Major Taylor, who was born and raised

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, began to make money to facilitate his bicycle

681
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: racing career was he was a rubber salesman of the

682
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Speaker 1: rubber tires that would be used in bicycling, and that

683
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: rubber tire eventually would become more mainstream about four miles

684
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: from where he grew up at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway

685
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: within a decade of that, and automobile racing essentially overnight

686
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: rendered bicycle racing passe and irrelevant. But around that time

687
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: that Major Taylor's fame began to wane. Another black athlete

688
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Speaker 1: from Indianapolis born in the other neighborhood I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: essentially right there at Central and that over pass, there

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Speaker 1: was a housing development there and it is believed that

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Speaker 1: in that housing development was born Oscar Charleston, whom many

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Speaker 1: believe is one of the top five baseball players of

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Speaker 1: all time. Oscar Charleston, who was a Negro League player,

694
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Speaker 1: a dynamic home run hitter, also you know, a fielder.

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Speaker 1: He was a manager for many years. He served in

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Speaker 1: the United States military. He was a nineteen seventy six

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Speaker 1: inductee into the Baseball Hall of Fame and is one

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Speaker 1: of both of those men. But certainly Oscar Charleston is

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Speaker 1: one of the more forgotten, sadly pieces of Indianapolis sports

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Speaker 1: lore and baseball has a very very rich heritage in

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00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: this town, very rich heritage. And the Zoo on Washington

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00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: Street just west of downtown that initially that area where

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Speaker 1: the zoo is now the parking lot essentially of the zoo,

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00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: that was essentially the infield and then looking out towards

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00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: the outfield wall of Washington Park, which was where initially

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00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis professional baseball teams played. The Indianapolis ABC's were

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00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: named for the American Beverage Corporation that's who Oscar Charleston

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00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: played for that won the Negro League championship in the

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00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: nineteen teens before he went on then to manage and

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00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: play for other franchises. The Indianapolis Clowns were also a

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00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: Negro League team which parlayed a little bit more into

712
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: like a Vaudevillian Savannah Bananas type team, and they began

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00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: playing at Perry Field later known as Victory Field later

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Speaker 1: known as Bush Stadium on Sixteenth Street.

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Speaker 2: Hank Aaron was he on the Indianapolis Colwns.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Hank Aaron's first baseball contract out of Mobile, Alabama

717
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: was with the Indianapolis Clowns. And there is Eddie, interestingly enough,

718
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: great debate as to whether or not he played games

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00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis because they were a barnstorming team as a

720
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: result of the barnstorming aspect of it. There's no actual

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00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: because they didn't get newspaper coverage on the regular basis

722
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: back then. So he only played for like a half

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Speaker 1: a season before the Milwaukee Braves came and signed him away.

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Speaker 1: But so no one knows whether he played, like you know,

725
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: the eleven games that he played. Was he playing in Mobile,

726
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: Alabama as part of the barnstorming tour or was he

727
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: playing home games for the Clowns. That's always been up

728
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: for debate. But the Indianapolis Indians, which began in nineteen

729
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: oh two, and you know, have always been obviously a

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00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: part of the professional baseball in Indianapolis in terms of

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00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: its affiliate ship with Major League Baseball, those other two

732
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: obviously being part of the Negro League aspect. There was

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Speaker 1: a game that was played, for example, with the Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: Indians at that Washington Park that I'd mentioned against the

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00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: New York Yankees in the mid nineteen twenties and Babe

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00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: Ruth allegedly hit a home run in Washington Park. The

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00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: Indians have a rich heritage in Indianapolis in terms of

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00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: the baseball history, and I think for a lot of people,

739
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: baseball with the Indianapolis Indians has become somewhat of just

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00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: a summertime, you know tradition. You get together with your friends,

741
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: you go out there, you have a hot dog, you

742
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 1: have a beer, you watch the game. How many people

743
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: are keeping score in their scorebook or are aware of

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00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: the roster, or how many games behind the Red Wings

745
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: or the Toledo mud Hens the Indians are this year.

746
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know the answer to that, but

747
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: I know that for most of us that grew up

748
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: in this town, the Indians are part of albeit perhaps

749
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: maybe occasionally, but they are part of the sports summer

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00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: calendar without question. And there are those, understandably so, that

751
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: have questioned whether or not the Indians should change their

752
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: name from Indians because the Cleveland Indians have done that.

753
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: But you know, the Cleveland Indians had a caricature type mascot.

754
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: The Indianapolis Indians have never had that, but they did

755
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: decide to do. I don't think anything because of the

756
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: name Indians, but the Indianapolis Indians decided and it's hard

757
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: to believe that the color scheme that they had, the

758
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: logo that they had had been around for over thirty years.

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00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: Now they have done a new look. They have decided

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00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: to freshen up and do a makeover. They went on

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00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: the Jenny Jones Show and it was an hour long

762
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: episode and you know the before and after incredible makeover.

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00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: The Indianapolis Indians have a new look for their uniforms.

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00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: They are kind of a navy blue with a red.

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00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: There is some gold in it. It features the black

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Speaker 1: letter I and then the Indian monogram. So they have

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00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: two different kinds of hats if you will. The letter

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00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: I pays tribute to the way and the script that

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00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: the team used back in nineteen oh two, but they

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00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: have uniforms that are very simplistic to just say I

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00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: in DPLs. They have the monogram script that pays tribute

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00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: back to the time when they very first began in

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00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: nineteen oh two. They also used logos that were part

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00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: of the the franchise in the nineteen forties and then

775
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: logos that were used in the nineteen sixties. So they

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00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: have a wide variety of different logos and looks, all

777
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: paying tribute to the different aspects of the Indianapolis Indians

778
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: in their place in this town. I love everything about it.

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00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: I love it because I think it is a clean look.

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00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: I love it because I love the color scheme of it.

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00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: I love it because it has a subtle tip of

782
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: the cap pardon the pun to the Native American culture

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00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: that is such a prominent and important part of our history.

784
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: And I love it because it has multiple logos and

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00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: looks that pay tribute to the multiple eras of Indianapolis Indians.

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00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: Baseball and whether you are somebody that was a baseball historian,

787
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: or whether you were somebody that was simply a member

788
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: of the Notthole Gang or somebody that went out to

789
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: watch Razor Shines or somebody that went out because you

790
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: love to see the Reds play an exhibition game against them.

791
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: I just think that it is a franchise that has

792
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: such an important part of the lore of people that

793
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: grew up in this town from not even a sports

794
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: culture as much as just a social culture of who

795
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: we are. But have you seen Eddie the looks themselves,

796
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: of the different hats, the different T shirts, and the

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00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: jerseys and uniforms they're gonna wear. Yeah, the one hat

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00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: that has like the Indie all in different like letters. Yes,

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00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: that one's saying that's the correct favorite one. That is

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00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: the monogram hat, right, I the the the I N

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00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: D Y. And they have obviously the other ones that

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00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: they've done where you know, with the city logo on

803
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: it and things like that. But this new uniform look,

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00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: this entire marketing look for the Indianapolis Indians, I say,

805
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: absolutely home run by the Indianapolis Indians. They've been great

806
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: home run hitters that have hit there, right, George Foster

807
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: hit there, Roger Maris hit for the Indianapolis Indians. But

808
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: this was a home run. It as a home run

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00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: for the marketing team and my buddy, Jeff Hester and

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00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: I are going over Friday and we're going to actually

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Speaker 1: lose a lot of our dignity in the gift shop.

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00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: I can simply tell you that I appreciate you sitting

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00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: with me for that history lesson. Steven Holder is going

814
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: to join us on the other side and we will

815
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Speaker 1: get into the Colts rehashing the Rams, getting ready now

816
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: for the Las Vegas Raiders. We'll do it with the

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00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: Holder next. What I'm telling you, Todd Meyer just walked

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00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: in and we're sitting here going over all of the

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00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: seven different hats that we like. For there are some

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00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: cool ones from the Indianapolis Indians. Even just the I

821
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: N DPLs on one of the jerseys is pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: But they've got the interlock that I mean, yeah, it

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00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: kind of looks like an old Yankees thing with but

824
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Speaker 1: you know, with the I N D Y on it,

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00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome. But I think the just the straight

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00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: I hat is cool from back in those days, but

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Speaker 1: back in my day now. I asked Eddie, because I'm

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Speaker 1: such a nice guy that I was going to get

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Speaker 1: Eddie a hat. I said, Eddie, what hat do you?

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Speaker 1: What size hat do you wear? And what was your answer.

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Speaker 2: I actually don't know what size had Jacob. I thought

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00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: you said you wear like an eight and three eighths

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00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: or something. I don't know seven and five eighths. I

834
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: think now you're bigger than seven to five eights. I'm

835
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: telling you right now, you're bigger than your Your Chinn

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Speaker 2: is a seven and five eights. I'm going to refuse

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Speaker 2: from making any comments.

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00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: Did you get Steven? By the way, Steven Holder joins

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00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: us now, and I'm sure thrilled to be doing so.

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00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: Based on that segue, he is with ESPN dot com

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00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: Colt's getting sept for the Las Vegas Raiders. Steven, I'll

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00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: begin with this, did you happen to notice you're a

843
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: fashionable guy? I would say that in the sixty two

844
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: point six percent of the times that I have seen

845
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: you outside of a work setting, you are wearing a

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00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: baseball cap of some sort. Have you seen the Indianapolis

847
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: Indians redesigned uniforms?

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00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 6: No? I haven't. Well, in a minute, I saw a

849
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 6: tweet referencing it, but I don't know if I saw

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00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 6: the actual uniform. But now that you mention it, I

851
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 6: got to google it.

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00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm so I'm going to send you during the

853
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: court because I can multitask like there's nobody who's nobody's business.

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00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 6: Well, I'm on the computer. Okay, let's let's let's look.

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00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go go to go to the Indians

856
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: in the apols, Indians dot com or whatnot. And then

857
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: if you go to obviously under shot.

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00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 6: Well, I see the hat. Okay, I see the hat?

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00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 6: Is it is it? Is it the one with the

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Speaker 6: I N d Y you were just mentioning?

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00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: Correct, there's that, and then there's one with the old

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00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: and you know script kind of block eye from the

863
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: nineteen o two season. I personally believe both these to

864
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: be very clean looking hats. As the kids would say

865
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: your thoughts.

866
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I So I see the one you're

867
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 6: I see the the interlocking I N d Y one,

868
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 6: not seeing the the retro one you're talking about. But

869
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 6: I do like this, and I think I see the

870
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 6: one you're talking about. Is it? What's the what was

871
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 6: the second one?

872
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: By the way, Okay, the first one, if you go

873
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: under just so that they have on their caps themselves, Okay,

874
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: they have the I N d Y which is the

875
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: new one, but then they have an alternate hat that

876
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: they're also wearing, which is a navy blue hat, and

877
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: then the white letter I on there is uh it

878
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: says Navy Road Clean and it's just it's like an Yeah. Yeah,

879
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: that's the that is the script that is cool. Yeah,

880
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: that's the script I that they had in nineteen oh

881
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: two when they first came out.

882
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 6: I see it. Yeah, I see the difference. I like them.

883
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 6: I do. I might have to get one. I don't.

884
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 6: I don't love the the nineteen forty seven one, I

885
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,959
Speaker 6: guess is that is that what we're talking about?

886
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: Forty seven is the brand? Yeah, I mean, so you

887
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: don't love the singular eyes?

888
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

889
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.

890
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: Do you like the interlocking I n D Y right?

891
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, they updated one. It's kind of cool. I like it. Yeah, yeah,

892
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 6: I do. That's cool. Oh good, h good advice there.

893
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a fashionable guy, you know what I mean.

894
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 6: Hey, listen, I looks and when you're bald, it is

895
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 6: not a lot. You don't have a lot of options. Okay,

896
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 6: it's either bald or you know, your hairstyle is your hat. Okay,

897
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 6: that's all you got, man, So you know, work with me.

898
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: Do you, by the way, you are a fan of

899
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: Wu Tang clan?

900
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 6: Right? Oh, big, big fan? I mean I remember when

901
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 6: they came out because that's of age, because I'm old.

902
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. If Wu Tang clan

903
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: is is Brady or Manning or is you know Jordan, right,

904
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: then what is tribe called Quest? Is it? Is it Lebron?

905
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it Mahomes? I mean, is tribe called

906
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: Quest considered? For somebody who is a fan of Wu

907
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: Tang clan, is tribe called Quest considered in the same breath?

908
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 6: So I think, yeah, I think they are. If you

909
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 6: are a true, true and tribe like hip hop fan,

910
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 6: like you came up with hip hop, then you have

911
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 6: the proper appreciation for a tribe called Quest. However, I

912
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 6: would say not everyone does. So I almost think you

913
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 6: almost have to put them in like the Joe Burrow conversation.

914
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 6: It's like there might be like, oh, yeah, they're really good,

915
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 6: but you know because some people weren't. Really they didn't

916
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 6: have maybe the same commercial success that tribe.

917
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: I'm about to do that. How about is day Last

918
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: Soul ranking this?

919
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 6: They're they're kind of in there somewhere like they're Matthew Stafford,

920
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 6: right like they're like they're they're right on the fringe

921
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 6: of the Hall of Fame. You know, maybe should probably

922
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 6: be considered, you know, I think they're Matthew Stafford, you know,

923
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 6: to go with the current reference for the Colts. Fancy.

924
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm writing these down so that we can do some

925
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: re entries here for the rest of the show, okay,

926
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: before we get to the game. Also, Steven Opine on this,

927
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: Eddie and I were discussing this earlier, and I'm not

928
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: saying there's a right or wrong on this. I'm curious

929
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: your answer of the other thirty one general manage well

930
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: thirty of the other thirty general managers in the NFL

931
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: not in Indy or Jacksonville. Well, if they needed a

932
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: quarterback and they had their choice between Daniel Jones and

933
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, what would the split down be in terms

934
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: of how many each GM would select?

935
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 6: Are we taking money out of the equation? Yes, all right,

936
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 6: that is a very interesting question because I think a

937
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 6: year ago you don't want either guy, and now that

938
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 6: is a much different conversation. I haven't seen a lot

939
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 6: of Trevor Lawrence this year, so I hesitate to say,

940
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 6: but he's got the longer track record, right, there's still

941
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 6: I think this school of thought that like, we need

942
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 6: to see more of Daniel Jones. I'm not talking about

943
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 6: my opinion. I'm just saying that's probably the prevailing opinion

944
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 6: out there. We're talking about four games, right, so the

945
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 6: longer track record. Even though I readily admit that Trevor

946
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 6: Lawrence has a lot of convincing to do out there,

947
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 6: I really think that's still true, and has his low

948
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 6: moments probably outnumber his highs in a lot of cases.

949
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 6: But I think he's had more success over the more

950
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 6: ups over the course of his career than perhaps Daniel

951
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 6: Jones recently. So I don't know. I leaned slightly to

952
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence, but it's not a slam dunk.

953
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: I thought Daniel Jones showed me a lot on Sunday,

954
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: and let me tell you why. When he threw an

955
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: interception on the first drive, and that really was his

956
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: first hiccup so far as a cult, I was curious

957
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: how he would respond, and he looked to me like

958
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback that came back out, unlike Ady Mitchell. He

959
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: looked like a quarterback that came out in a series

960
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: after his mistake and was able to immediately goldfish it

961
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: and put it behind him. Your thoughts.

962
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 6: I think that's true, and I think it sort of

963
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 6: dovetails with something I've noticed about him and weeks, which

964
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 6: is just a greater confidence that he's been playing with.

965
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 6: I think we even talked about this. He looks like

966
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 6: a guy. He does not look timid out there. Okay,

967
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 6: he looks in charge. He's stepping in into his throat,

968
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 6: stepping up in the pocket. He looks in control. All

969
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 6: those things that that maybe you could question about him

970
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 6: in New York and and maybe maybe it is sort

971
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 6: of tucked in with with that whole way of thinking,

972
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 6: his ability to take something off and then come back

973
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 6: and say we got this. And I thought he did

974
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 6: a good job with that. I would agree. I don't

975
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 6: think he really was the issue on Sunday. I mean,

976
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 6: he really wasn't. I don't think anybody's saying that, but

977
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't have any issue with how he played.

978
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 6: I think that that first interception is on him. Uh

979
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 6: he under threw the ball, you know, severely under through it.

980
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 6: It's his fault, and that is what it is. But

981
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, what are we talking about. I mean,

982
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 6: he went three games is out of turnover, right, so

983
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 6: it it was bound to happen, and it's inevitable. So

984
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 6: I think, look for all, I don't think I feel

985
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 6: any differently about the Colts offense after that game, Nor

986
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 6: do I feel any differently about Daniel Jones.

987
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: Adie Mitchell and his blunders Steven. You know, it wasn't once,

988
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: it was twice. I know he's a young player. I

989
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: know that the you know, publicly the Colts said all

990
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: the right things, and I mean none of this as

991
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: an attack in any way, shape or form on the

992
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: person of ad Mitchell. But the reality is that Adie Mitchell,

993
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: when he came out of college, we were all told

994
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: there were warning flags, red flags, and I don't think

995
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: it was red flags like this guy was, you know,

996
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: a law breaking knucklehead just as much as right. He

997
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: just wasn't necessarily a I'm all in on what I've

998
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: got to do to win guy. It seemed like that

999
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: all showed itself on Sunday. What is your assessment, not

1000
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: only of what we saw, whether or not that was

1001
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: the anomaly or just the one thing that needed to

1002
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: get out of his system and then how he goes

1003
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: from here.

1004
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,479
Speaker 6: No, I think the questions you just pose are totally fair.

1005
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 6: You know, what I saw is a guy who is

1006
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 6: a little lave fair and I don't I don't know.

1007
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 6: I'm a big proponent. I said this during the game.

1008
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 6: I'm going to say it here. I'm a big proponent

1009
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 6: of the thinking that you play, how you practice right,

1010
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 6: and the things that you do in practice you will

1011
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 6: continue to do in the game. So that's why practice

1012
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 6: really matters. And coaches repeat this too. And so if

1013
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 6: you were at training camp at all this year, you

1014
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 6: saw from Ady Mitchell every time he'd make a big play,

1015
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 6: there was this big, grand celebration and it was, you know,

1016
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 6: he's throwing the ball up in the air, he's hyping

1017
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 6: up the crowd and it's cute, right, like those things.

1018
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 6: People gravitate to that and they're like, oh, that's cool,

1019
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 6: great play, and you know, gets other teammates involved. That's

1020
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 6: good to some degree. However, However, I really feel like

1021
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 6: he didn't say yes or no or a confirmer denied this,

1022
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 6: But I'm looking at that play where he fumbles at

1023
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 6: the goal line, and what I saw was a guy

1024
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 6: who couldn't wait to celebrate. He's trying to I think

1025
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 6: that's that's my perception. Okay, I don't know. I'm not

1026
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 6: in his head, but it certainly looked like he's trying

1027
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 6: to reach the ball out to hold it over his

1028
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 6: head or hold it out whatever, some sort of expression, right,

1029
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 6: because he looks back at the defenders and he's cleared them,

1030
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 6: so he's not trying to reach the ball over the

1031
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 6: goal line, like, oh my god, I don't want to

1032
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 6: get tackled. I think he's trying to celebrate. And it's

1033
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 6: it is exactly what he does every freaking time he

1034
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 6: makes a play in practice. So there's my theory is like,

1035
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 6: be serious in practice and maybe you can have a

1036
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 6: serious performance on Sunday. That's that's what I that's what

1037
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 6: I take away from this. And it's it's sad because

1038
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 6: I like ad. He's a good kid. He's not, you know,

1039
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 6: some sort of serial killer. I don't know what the

1040
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 6: character quote unquote characters concerns were about him. I don't

1041
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 6: think they were about his character. I think they were

1042
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 6: just about maturity, Right, can you get this kid to

1043
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 6: be a serious football player?

1044
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: Right?

1045
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 4: Exactly?

1046
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 6: And I think those questions are still fair.

1047
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: What about X Clan, By the way, where do you

1048
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: put them with tribe called quest de la soul x Clans?

1049
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: Where's X clan rank?

1050
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: Uh? What?

1051
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 6: I'm a big X Clan fan. I don't. I don't

1052
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 6: even really remember.

1053
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: Their Songbalize grand Verbaliza. What time is it you remember

1054
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: that song?

1055
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, a little bit. They were, I would say

1056
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 6: they are what were we comparing them to Nippy Gerard

1057
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 6: wants a playoff game? Underrated players? Mitchell un, I mean

1058
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 6: we could do this all day, right, Okay? I like

1059
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 6: Craig who's third base? Third base was underrated too. Also,

1060
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 6: by the way, third base, I f'ly not mistaken featured

1061
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 6: one of the first nas versus on one of their songs.

1062
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 6: No one remembers this, but if you're a real thing,

1063
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 6: you know this. I think he was like, I don't know,

1064
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 6: seventeen or something at the time, and I would say, yeah,

1065
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 6: third base. I don't know about like the whole catalog,

1066
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 6: but I know a handful.

1067
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: Of songs and I liked them third base. As we've

1068
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: gone over before, Steven, now we're in circular conversation. I

1069
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: guess because you're the one that sent me the fabulous

1070
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: video of third Base confessed c Hammer put a hit

1071
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: out on him. After I told you that third Base

1072
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: came along with Big Daddy Kane and performed Rap City

1073
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 1: Live at my high school. And I was in high school,

1074
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: which I'm one of the proudest most I.

1075
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 6: Don't know which story is more amazing than performing at

1076
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 6: North Central or the fact that c Hammer put a

1077
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 6: hit out on them. I don't know which story is

1078
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 6: more amazing.

1079
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: Big Big Daddy Kane. Who are looking at for Big

1080
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: Daddy Kane?

1081
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 6: Okay, Big Daddy Kane definitely underrated. I would I would put.

1082
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: Him Warren Is he Warren Moon?

1083
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 6: That's great because I think, like you know, he was

1084
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 6: before his time, Warren Moon, you know the four wide

1085
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 6: you know, wide open offense, like he could have played.

1086
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 6: He could have played in today's league for sure. Yeah,

1087
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 6: I love it.

1088
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking on third base, like who is our

1089
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: is third base? Third base is Lamar Jackson? Right is

1090
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: third base Lamar Jackson?

1091
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 6: Well, what's the parallel? I'm thinking we were really overthinking this,

1092
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 6: by the way, I love it. I know, uh yeah,

1093
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 6: so all right here, Lamar Jackson. Here's the thing, Like

1094
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 6: we know he's incredible talent, but like, why can't he

1095
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 6: break through? Like same with everybody figured out these guys

1096
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 6: are good something like that.

1097
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: Listen, third Bay Lamar Jackson. When he came out of college,

1098
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: people said he needed to be a receiver because he

1099
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: was a dynamic athlete, right third base. Where they came

1100
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: out of Rockhurst Queens, people said that they didn't they

1101
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: couldn't be rappers because they were like awkward looking, goofy

1102
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: white guys. Right.

1103
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 6: I mean that's true that that that apps that actually happened.

1104
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: So there you go.

1105
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 6: That's why I talking about, Hey, why you got to

1106
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 6: talk these things out?

1107
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: Steven, how are the Colts from a health standpoint? And

1108
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: by that, let's face or let's focus on the defensive backfield,

1109
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, Exavier Howard in particular. You have to wonder

1110
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: how many times they can go back to that. Well, look,

1111
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: we just got done. We being myself and others on

1112
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: on the Colts beat. We just got done Grill and

1113
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: lou Ana rumo about this, and he did not offer

1114
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: anything to suggest that they're making a change there. In fact,

1115
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,959
Speaker 1: I walked away from it thinking, huh, he's gonna stick

1116
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: with him isn't he. So I don't know what the

1117
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: plan is, but I would tell you what I would do.

1118
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: I would play anybody else. You got to get him

1119
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: off the field, you have to.

1120
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 6: I mean the Los Angeles Rams basically said, oh, you're

1121
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 6: you're really doing this and they said, okay, Puka, We're

1122
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 6: gonna throw you the ball every single play and he

1123
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 6: couldn't stop them. They so they put they put Mooney

1124
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 6: Ward on DeVante Adams like on purpose. He stuck with

1125
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 6: him all day. You might notice this if you have

1126
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 6: watched the game and the idea there was. They both have,

1127
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 6: you know, sort of about the same amount of targets

1128
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 6: coming into that game. And my thinking is that they

1129
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 6: didn't say this, but my thinking is, and Joel Erickson

1130
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 6: from The Star kind of, you know, sort of brought

1131
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 6: this up to me. I think he may be onto something.

1132
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 6: DeVante Adams is the guy who can beat you over

1133
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 6: the top and get down the field. Puka works the

1134
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 6: sideline and in the middle of the field underneath and

1135
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 6: then get some run after the catch. So you saw that, right.

1136
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 6: They maximize that. They got Howard you know, across them

1137
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 6: over a couple of times, and then you see Pooka

1138
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 6: Nkula wide open, you know, heading across the middle and

1139
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 6: someone else making the tackle or Howard tackling him from behind.

1140
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 6: And they can do that all day. Take those little twelve,

1141
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 6: ten and twelve yard chunks and sometimes Pooka is so

1142
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 6: good after the catch he turns them into twenty and

1143
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 6: twenty five yard chunks. And so anyhow, I guess help

1144
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 6: the health question there. I don't think Kenny Moore actually

1145
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 6: matters that much. He certainly matters, for sure, but I'm

1146
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 6: talking about in terms of Howard. I don't know that

1147
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 6: it matters because you still have him as one of

1148
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 6: the top three corners. He doesn't play in the slot anymore,

1149
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 6: does so I don't I think this is a problem

1150
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 6: that we have to bombard them with this question every

1151
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 6: day until they just are honest about him and say

1152
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 6: we're not going to bench him because because I think

1153
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 6: it's absolutely malpractice. Right now, sorry for not answering the question,

1154
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 6: but I had to get that out there.

1155
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: The doc where's the doc rack?

1156
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 6: Uh?

1157
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 3: That is interesting?

1158
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 6: Hmm.

1159
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: I would say, who is who is a great quarterback

1160
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: that was on their way to greatness, that had a

1161
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: devastating injury Eddie helped me out here. That's that's it,

1162
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: because the doc, in my opinion, was on his way

1163
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: to absolute greatness and then he had an injury to

1164
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,919
Speaker 1: his larynx and was never the same.

1165
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 6: So okay, well here I can actually answer that. Carson Palmer.

1166
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not bad. That's not bad.

1167
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 6: Carson Palmer. I had somebody, I had somebody in the

1168
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 6: front office tell me years ago when Carson was still playing,

1169
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 6: like you know what, he had the aco and he

1170
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 6: was never the same because he was scared in the pocket.

1171
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 6: He kind of got like that that Tom Brady hit.

1172
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 6: I think, if I'm not mistaken, you know where you

1173
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 6: step up in the pocket and they take out your knee,

1174
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 6: the front knee, plant leg and so he was always

1175
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 6: a bit timid after that. So anyway, that's a very

1176
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,479
Speaker 6: long insclamation, but Carson Palmer comes to mind.

1177
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was still pretty good, by the way is.

1178
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: By the way is. And I think this guy is

1179
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: still available, Steven, and I know that he's older, but

1180
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: he can't be any worse in some of the areas

1181
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: that they have need. Is Stefan Gilmour a possibility to

1182
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: return or has he been picked up?

1183
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 6: I believe he's still out there. I believe people have

1184
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 6: been asking me about him. I listen. He's one of

1185
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 6: the best acquisitions Chris has ever made. It sounds crazy,

1186
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 6: but like the guy was really good. It just didn't

1187
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 6: matter because that season was such a disaster. Right, But

1188
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 6: Stefan Gilmore, he's a real deal. I don't know. It's

1189
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 6: been a long time, certainly that was three years ago,

1190
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 6: but I don't disagree with you. I think he's still

1191
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 6: a better option than what they're currently getting. I think

1192
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 6: the question is going to be we're now. I believe

1193
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 6: we're four weeks in, So does Jalen Jones come back

1194
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 6: this week? And and can he play immediately? I don't

1195
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 6: know that answer. I'm not sure where he's at. He

1196
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 6: would be an immediate upgrade, and maybe they're just holding

1197
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 6: out until he comes back. But frankly, I think anybody

1198
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 6: would be would be a better option right now. I mean,

1199
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 6: why not just put you know, I don't know, Makai

1200
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 6: Blackman out there, or you know, somebody I don't know.

1201
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 6: I don't understand why there's been this hesitance to do that.

1202
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 6: One thing I will say about lou Anoumo is that

1203
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 6: one of the one of the criticisms I guess of

1204
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 6: him in Cincinnati was that sometimes he can be a

1205
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 6: little bit stubborn. And you know, he's probably earned that

1206
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 6: right as a as a veteran coach who's very experienced.

1207
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 6: But but I don't know, maybe we're seeing an example

1208
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 6: of that here. One player they really like, and numerous

1209
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 6: people have told me they really think this guy's going

1210
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 6: to be a player. Jonathan Edwards, the undrafted free agent.

1211
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 6: I think he played a few snaps on Sunday, but

1212
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 6: they've been reluctant to put him out there. And I

1213
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 6: thought he had some good moments in camp and the preseason,

1214
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 6: and Chris Ballard loves him. He raved about him, and

1215
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 6: I know the coaches like him too. I would put

1216
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 6: him out there. Who knows how much worse can it get?

1217
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 6: I mean, looking the coolest setting records against you? What else?

1218
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 6: What are we talking about here?

1219
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 2: Steved are even sure that Jalen Jones would start or

1220
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 2: get snaps right away when he does come back, because

1221
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: as soon as they signed Zavi and Aarrod, he was

1222
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: listening as the starter over Jilen Jones, even though Jones

1223
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 2: had been there through OTA's mini camp and the start

1224
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 2: of training camp.

1225
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 6: It's a great question. It's totally fair. It's a great question,

1226
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 6: and that goes to what I'm talking about. Right. Lou

1227
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 6: An Rumo was very he was very adamant about this,

1228
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 6: like he wanted Xavian Howard. He in fact, they had

1229
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 6: to workout with him back in May, and the only

1230
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 6: reason Balor didn't sign him was because the thinking was,

1231
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 6: let's let's take a longer look at some of these

1232
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 6: young guys before we go that route, and so they

1233
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 6: wanted to give those guys an opportunity in training camp

1234
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 6: and the preseason, so they did that and then after

1235
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 6: it was over with an Arumo was still like, yep,

1236
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 6: I want them, So you're right. I think it's a

1237
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 6: great question. Of course, a lot has happened since they

1238
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 6: signed him, and most of it not good. So all

1239
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 6: I can tell you is every team is watching the

1240
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 6: film and all they see is this guy getting destroyed

1241
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 6: by top receivers.

1242
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: Digital underground seven. Who's digital underground?

1243
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:43,959
Speaker 6: Oh well, I mean and when you say digital underground,

1244
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 6: I think what you really have to what you really

1245
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 6: have to do, or what you're really saying is you know,

1246
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 6: we're talking about shock g right.

1247
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: More or less true?

1248
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 6: Who who? Who? Is also of the underrated You're like

1249
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 6: all the underrated rappers today, you're giving them their flowers.

1250
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 6: I appreciate that, I do. Yeah, I mean, by the way,

1251
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 6: SoC G didn't he like bring us, didn't he bring

1252
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 6: Tupac to life? And didn't either one that introduced us

1253
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 6: to Tupac is underground.

1254
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, well, I mean here's here's what's funny.

1255
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 6: Part of the underground.

1256
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: I was never and this is what's interesting. I was

1257
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: never a big Tupac guy, even though most of though,

1258
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: although I shouldn't say that, I kind of go, I'm

1259
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: weird in the fact that I go like fifty percent

1260
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: New York guys and fifty percent West Coast guys, right,

1261
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: But part of it is and follow me here. The

1262
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: true like the hip hop and the rap stuff that

1263
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: that I really got into was when I was in

1264
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: I was in high school, so late eighties, early nineties,

1265
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: so starting with NWA into the doc into the ones

1266
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: I just mentioned then once in Tupac really I think

1267
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: hit his stride right when I was in college. And

1268
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: when you're in college earlier, absorbed in your own world,

1269
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: and it's kind of hard to know what's coming out

1270
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: that's new. Does that make sense?

1271
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 6: Mm hmm, yeah, that's fair. So yeah, Tupac would have

1272
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:12,799
Speaker 6: been like I think his first album was early nineties sometime.

1273
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 6: But anyway, Tupac was was part of Digital Underground. Shak

1274
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 6: G I think passed away. I don't remember when, but

1275
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 6: like in the last couple of years, h shot Gi

1276
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 6: was was the guy, uh you know, the humpty things

1277
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 6: that he had, the whole like alternate personalities, you know,

1278
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 6: the what do you call it? The uh you know

1279
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 6: he had he had, He had an alter ego. I

1280
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:37,879
Speaker 6: guess you would say, anyhow, quarterback for for Digital Underground.

1281
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 6: I like this, let's think, well, how about Doug Williams,

1282
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 6: because you know what a pioneer.

1283
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: That's good.

1284
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 6: Here's a pioneer, I mean, right, like like Doug Williams.

1285
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 6: There's no Doug Williams. There's probably no like Lamar Jackson,

1286
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Speaker 6: and there's no shock G.

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01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: There's no Tupac, And like Doug Williams kind of without

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01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: people remembering it introduced kind of brought in I think

1289
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: Steve Young, right, and then Steve Young kind of often

1290
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: did his own thing and whatever else. Right, that's not bad.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it. So the way to

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Speaker 6: do this.

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01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the last thing. And I ask you this

1294
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 1: every once in a while, Steven, I want you to

1295
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: tell me this ten minutes from now, when you are,

1296
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: when you've hung up the phone, you're going to say

1297
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: to yourself, I can't believe that moron talked to me

1298
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: about hip hop stuff and did not ask me about

1299
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: blank from the Colts, which is the obvious thing that

1300
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: needs to be addressed, and we didn't get to it.

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01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 6: What was it? All right, let's end on a good note.

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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 6: I think in terms of the Colts at least, I

1303
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 6: think Liatu Latsi probably the best game I've seen him play.

1304
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 6: I think they got that one right now. He's no

1305
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 6: Jared Verse, who they also could have drafted. That dude

1306
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 6: was a monster. Okay, he is a monster. Go ask

1307
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 6: Bernard Raymond about him right now. But that being said,

1308
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 6: they have the player they have, and I do think

1309
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 6: Latu might be turning a corner.

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Speaker 9: He is.

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01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 6: If you look at his advanced stats right now, he

1312
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 6: ranks up there with the best in the league. And

1313
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 6: I think he's on a great trajectory right now, and

1314
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 6: if they can get him going teams are going to

1315
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 6: have to start making some decisions about whether they double him,

1316
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 6: and that should free up other guys.

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01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: And when he turns that corner, he does so with

1318
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: incredible lean.

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01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 6: Just so you know, yeah, I mean, that's the stuff

1320
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 6: you can't teach. You know, that's that's true. Stuff you

1321
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 6: can't teach.

1322
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:33,919
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. He can he can the side correct.

1323
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 6: That's what we were told Backley.

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01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 1: All Right, Steven, We're gonna play these great hip hop

1325
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: legends and pioneers for the rest of the show. How's that.

1326
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 6: I love it?

1327
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean you full credit of course. Right, all right,

1328
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: Steven ESPN dot com. We will continue watching. Do you

1329
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: think that we're gonna see Waiver Wire stuff with the

1330
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:53,759
Speaker 1: defensive backs?

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01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:59,799
Speaker 6: Hmm, I'm not. I'm not predicting that. No, not predicting

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01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,520
Speaker 6: that right now, Okaye?

1333
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: Did they pick up a linebacker yesterday from the Dallas

1334
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 2: practice squad? Did I see that?

1335
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 6: I cannot? I think I missed that. I should not

1336
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 6: this right, Wait a minute. I took a red eye yesterday,

1337
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 6: so I was like unconscious.

1338
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: You know, if they'd picked up one of the ghetto

1339
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: boys out of Houston, then yes, we would have been

1340
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: able to definitively know.

1341
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 6: That, right, we would be all over also.

1342
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: Very underrated by the way, Okay, although the Getta Boys

1343
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: are probably pop, they're probably legitimately rated. I'm looking right

1344
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 1: here to see about the practice squad per Aeron Wilson.

1345
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: They said he said that yesterday Culture signing linebacker Buddy

1346
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: Johnson the Cowboys practice squad. He was a former fourth

1347
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: round pickle dealers.

1348
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:53,480
Speaker 6: Well, I mean they have no linebackers, so that tracks yes, Yeah,

1349
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 6: I don't know much about them to be completely honest,

1350
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 6: but I think that is there. That is probably their

1351
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 6: weakest position, to be completely honest with you, So makes sense.

1352
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 6: I mean, you guys Aira Franklin and who right, And

1353
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 6: I think the truth is the guys who they have

1354
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 6: tried there that no one has really stuck, you know,

1355
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 6: so they're definitely having some issues there. I agree with.

1356
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: That, all right, Steven. Appreciate the time. By the way,

1357
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: Tupac I Am Told first appeared on What you Like

1358
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: in terms of Digital Underground. So there you go. You

1359
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: are correct.

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01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 6: Oh, I love the song.

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01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go, all right, appreciate it.

1362
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: Steven joining us from ESPN dot com covered a lot

1363
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: of ground there, both Digital under and regular and the

1364
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: Colts including on. We talked about Daniel Jones. We talked

1365
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: about the defensive backfield, We talked about the linebackers. We

1366
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: talked about Leatu Latu, and then we talked about the DC.

1367
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,719
Speaker 1: We talked about Big Daddy Kane. We talked about Digital Underground,

1368
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: We talked about third base, talked about tribe called quest

1369
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: Anything you want to add, Eddie none? All right, when

1370
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: we come back, we do have tickets to give away, okay,

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01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do this by testing the acumen. You've

1372
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: got to be a baseball fan. If you want tickets

1373
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: to see MGK in concert, then I want to find out.

1374
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: This is our way to find out. And I'm by

1375
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: no means is this designed to make you feel uncomfortable

1376
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: or insecure, because it is an interesting phenomenon that I

1377
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: believe about Major League Baseball. So I'm going to try

1378
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: to illuminate a point here, but I need audience participation.

1379
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: You don't necessarily have to answer correctly, but just call

1380
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: it in and humor me. Two three, nine, ten seventy

1381
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: is the telephone number and we'll do it next. Okay.

1382
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: We temporarily paused our Stephen Holder Jake Query Rundown hip

1383
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: hop acts in order to play for you MGK formerly

1384
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 1: known as Machine Gun Call. He will be in concert

1385
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 1: coming up. It is actually this upcoming summer. Do we

1386
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: have the specifics on the time and place for this?

1387
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:13,799
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison June twentieth at the rear Wolf Music Center. Okay,

1388
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: so we have tickets to give away, and I simply

1389
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: want to open the narrative, and I said, you know,

1390
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: be somewhat of a baseball fan if you're calling in.

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01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: Who do we have lined up here? Eddie? We will

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01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: start with Jeff, how many tickets do we have to

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01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 1: give away? By the way, A pair?

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01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 2: A pair?

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01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 1: Hi, Jeff? How are you?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 4: Doing good?

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01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: How are you good? Jeff? You sound like you're a

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01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: fun loving guy. Have you listened to the show before?

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Speaker 10: I love the show, love the show. I work construction,

1401
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 10: but usually in the truck. Okay, and listen to you

1402
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 10: guys about this.

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01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 1: Time, Jeff. Have you called the show before?

1404
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 11: I had you guys?

1405
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 10: Get me Kentucky one year on the numbers, Dame Final

1406
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 10: the final four things. Okay, you guys, the whole bracket.

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01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: And you're you're in the construction field them. That's good.

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01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: You're in the construction field, you said, yeah, did you

1409
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: did we give you a title within the company. I

1410
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 1: wish you're you're the director of cement. How's that sounds?

1411
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: That sound okay?

1412
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1413
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 11: That works?

1414
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: Okay? Uh, Jeff, how old a fella are you?

1415
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 11: Thirty eight?

1416
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: Thirty eight year old? And on a one to ten scale, Jeff,

1417
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 1: what is your level of baseball fandom?

1418
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 10: I'll give it a Thollard five? Okay, but I can

1419
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 10: answer with educated guests.

1420
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good. I mean, and there's and I would

1421
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: like to again exhibit we we plan on harming no

1422
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: people nor animals in this exhibition We're going to do here. Okay,

1423
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: but I'm going to ask you the name of a

1424
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 1: team in Major League Baseball, and I want you to

1425
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: tell me, first off, if they are or are not

1426
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: in the host season. Okay, are you ready? I'm gonna

1427
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: name a team, and then I want you to tell me, Jeff,

1428
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: no looking, whether they are or or not in the postseason.

1429
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: The New York Mets. No, Okay, that is correcting or

1430
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: he's correcting that. Okay. Now, I don't know if you

1431
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: want me I'm gonna give you another team, and I

1432
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: want you to tell me who they face in the

1433
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: first round. Are you ready?

1434
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 12: Okay, don't sound so confident or excited, Jeff, uh the

1435
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 12: San Diego Padres.

1436
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 1: Okay. How about this.

1437
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 10: You're gonna kill me the Mets?

1438
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 3: Right?

1439
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're right, the Mets are not you're

1440
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 2: doing okay?

1441
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,839
Speaker 1: Okay, how about this, Jeff, I'm gonna name two teams, okay,

1442
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: one of which has an opening by and the other

1443
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: of which has games to play. Okay, the Los Angeles

1444
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: Dodgers and the Seattle Mariners. One of those teams earned

1445
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: a BUYE and the other one has an opening round

1446
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: series to play. Which one has the BUYE?

1447
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 10: I'm gonna go with the Dodgers has a lot.

1448
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, I figure that one.

1449
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: That was a trick question, Jeff. I'm telling you, though, Man,

1450
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: here's the thing, and I appreciate you playing along so well. Listen.

1451
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,799
Speaker 1: Here's the reason I bring it up, Jeff, is because

1452
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: I'm not indicting you at all. I think this is

1453
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: where major League Baseball is today. I'm a baseball fan.

1454
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: You know you're I can tell you. I mean, you're

1455
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: a sports fan. You follow sports you know, but it

1456
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 1: just baseball has and it's it's not really a fault

1457
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: of theirs, but it used to be. You know, you

1458
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: had the two divisional winners, they played for the pennant,

1459
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: but a boom, there you go, easy peasy, And now,

1460
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: like a lot of sports, it's just become there is

1461
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: so much going on that it gets harder to determine

1462
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 1: and figure out and remember who's playing where Eddie, go

1463
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: ahead and let's send Jeff. Jeff. I appreciate your participation,

1464
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: and so as a result, we are going to send

1465
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 1: you on to the MGK concert. Let's go one more though,

1466
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: just to see someone's Now this is no tickets here,

1467
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: but this audience participation. Who do we have else on

1468
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: the line? Chuck, Chuck? How are you?

1469
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 11: Hey?

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01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: I'm good, Chuck. You sound like a nice fella. Are

1471
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,759
Speaker 1: you native to the area.

1472
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 11: I am actually from Southern Indiana, but I've been here

1473
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 11: for about twenty five years.

1474
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: Okay, what part of southern Indiana?

1475
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 11: Hanover?

1476
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: Oh? Really?

1477
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1478
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,839
Speaker 1: Did you ever go and get yourself a burger at Hinkles?

1479
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 11: I did?

1480
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 1: Did you ever get a late night sandwich? Made it? Pride?

1481
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: Right there? In Hannover?

1482
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 11: I worked at Pride. So, yeah, I got fired from Pride.

1483
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 11: How about that?

1484
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: You got fired for what?

1485
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 9: Well?

1486
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 11: I was sick one night and like the owners like

1487
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 11: had this store and another store, and I went in

1488
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 11: and I was sick and didn't really do a whole lot,

1489
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 11: and so the owners were there that night, and.

1490
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 4: So I got fired.

1491
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're nice people, right, I'm sure.

1492
01:21:59,560 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know.

1493
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, what years were you working at Pride? Just

1494
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: out of curiosity, it.

1495
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 11: Would have been like nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety I.

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01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: Got news for you, Chuck. Nineteen ninety one. I was

1497
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: a senior in high school. And then my buddies Matt Jackline,

1498
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: Mike Killery, justin Powers all up and they went to

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01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: Hanover with my sister went to Hanover. I'd go down

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Speaker 1: to visit late night. We'd go into Pride get for

1501
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: those that don't know, it's a grocery store. We'd get

1502
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: go to the delicatessen. They'd make a sandwich for us.

1503
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 1: You may, Chuck, have made me a sandwich back in

1504
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: the day.

1505
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 11: Sandwich.

1506
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 6: That's pretty awesome.

1507
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 1: And I didn't even get sick from it, right, Yeah, exactly,

1508
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: all right, Chuck, quick question how big a baseball fan?

1509
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: Are you? A scale of one to ten.

1510
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 11: I'm probably a close I'm a pretty big baseball.

1511
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna give you We're gonna do the same.

1512
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you two teams. First off, you tell

1513
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: me which one does not have a buye? Okay, Toronto

1514
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: Blue Jays and Cleveland Guardians. Which one does not have

1515
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: a bye?

1516
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 11: The Guardians do not have a buye?

1517
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: That is correct. Okay. Now can you tell me who

1518
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: the San Diego Padres open up against the Cubs? Okay,

1519
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:08,719
Speaker 1: the Dodgers and Reds are playing. They will face who

1520
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: the winner will face.

1521
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 11: Who they will face the.

1522
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: But okay, the Red Sox and Yankees renew their rivalry.

1523
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 1: The winner will advance to play what team?

1524
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 11: I think it's get.

1525
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: The brain on, Chuck, All right, Chuck. And then lastly,

1526
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: that means that the Guardians and Tigers will The winner

1527
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: of that will advance to face who Seattle? Look at that? Now,

1528
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: who's your team? Chuck? Are you a Reds fan?

1529
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 8: Then?

1530
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 1: If you're from Hanover, I'm not.

1531
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 11: I'm not a Red fan. I'm a Dodgers fan.

1532
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: How'd you become a Dodgers fan?

1533
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 11: Because the first time I watched baseball in nineteen eighty three,

1534
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 11: they were they win the playoffs. I remember watching them

1535
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 11: and was watching Fernando and Pedro Guerrero and all those guys. Yeah, yeah,

1536
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 11: when I was little. So that's the that's who I

1537
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 11: that's who I liked.

1538
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to think here. Eighty three obviously the

1539
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: Orioles won the World Series? Was it Philly that they

1540
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: had beaten the World Did the Dodgers loose to to

1541
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: Philly for the Pennant?

1542
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1543
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 11: They did?

1544
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Okay, it's amazing, how you know? I mean,

1545
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,759
Speaker 1: like boom, I can you know? Eighty four? Like, oh yeah,

1546
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: Tigers and Podreys.

1547
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 11: And exactly yeah, on the same way. But I can't

1548
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 11: tell you I had Tottelling who won last year?

1549
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: But correct the eighties, like I know, Lance Parrish was

1550
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: the starting catcher for the Tigers in eighty two. Like,

1551
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: what the hell's wrong with me? All right, Chuck? I

1552
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: appreciate your participation and certainly hope that you enjoy the playoffs.

1553
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: Eddie and I both kind of like the Reds. But

1554
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: have you been to Dodger Stadium, been to Schevezervine.

1555
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 11: Chuck, I've actually been to all the stadiums.

1556
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: I just finished.

1557
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 11: I just finished it off. This weekend, I went to

1558
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 11: Seattle and went to Sacramento to see the the A's

1559
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 11: place play there this year.

1560
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: How was the A's experience by the way, in Sacto.

1561
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 11: It's it's not great. Let's it's it's not a great stadium.

1562
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 11: It's it's it's pretty terrible. Really, it's just it's better.

1563
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 11: It may be better than Oakland Stadium, maybe because it's

1564
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 11: a little newer, but it's not it's not.

1565
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: Good well Oakland Stadium. Listen. I mean that's like, you know,

1566
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: at one point they had raw pooh floating through. I mean,

1567
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's a low bar.

1568
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: All right, Chuck, I appreciate it. Man, enjoy the games.

1569
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 11: Thanks, yep, all.

1570
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: Right, Chuck.

1571
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 2: By the way, I can smell the cigar smoke. Eddie,

1572
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 2: why Chuck are the same person. He's a Dodgers fan,

1573
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 2: That's right.

1574
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: Uh, Eddie White just dropped off something. We'll let you

1575
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: know what it is. Very cool.

1576
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 2: Uh, We'll let you know about that. And then who

1577
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 2: did you say we have coming up two o'clock. By

1578
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 2: the way, new clock is Dustin to Pierrac.

1579
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: Dust into Pirac talk a little Pacers after yesterday's and

1580
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: interesting comments from Myles Turner. We'll get to that next.

1581
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious with this song, okay, the wild

1582
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: Side that is sampled there at the beginning. Would that

1583
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 1: be and is such a cool riff or beat whatever

1584
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:02,520
Speaker 1: you want to call it, Would it be as commonly

1585
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: ripped off if it had not been such an iconic

1586
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: song in its own right to begin with, Like if

1587
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 1: that exact same beat had just gone on to some

1588
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: song that was you know, cut number seven on the

1589
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: back of a you know, Steely Dan track, would other

1590
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 1: artists so many of them, especially in the hip hop realm,

1591
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: have started sampling it. Or is it because Wildside itself

1592
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 1: was such an iconic song that that's how it got

1593
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: ripped off? Speaking of ripped off, Miles Turner apparently felt

1594
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:38,879
Speaker 1: ripped off during the time that he was in Indiana.

1595
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because this is a player that was

1596
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: an integral part of the Pacers for a very long time,

1597
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:50,640
Speaker 1: I think, and you know what, I always thought he

1598
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: was the good soldier here. He did a lot for

1599
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: the community, he did a lot for fans. He had

1600
01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 1: Turner's block. He did philanthropic things, He always said the

1601
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: right things, and he was a very important part of

1602
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: Indiana's playing identity, the pace in which Indiana played a

1603
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: year ago. Yes, Tyrese Haliburton's ability to run the ball

1604
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: up the floor is a big part of that. And yes,

1605
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: the ability for an Aaron Nei Smith certainly obi toppin

1606
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 1: in the open floor is a big part of that.

1607
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: But also a big part of that was simply Miles

1608
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: Turner and his ability to start transition one way through

1609
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 1: rim protection and then immediately facilitate to break and then

1610
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 1: come back. And when he was the trailer on that break,

1611
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: you know on the high post, he's able to hit

1612
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: a three or then set up their offense. He was

1613
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 1: very important in those things. But there were times where,

1614
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: yes he would other teams would immediately eradicate him off

1615
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 1: of the glass and you felt like he was not

1616
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 1: of impact. And those particular games are when people would

1617
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: get really down on him, and you heard it on

1618
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: this radio station or wherever, people just like you know,

1619
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: calling in. You know, Miles Turner's soft, Miles Turner soft

1620
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: charm and soft, He's invisible. The same thing was said

1621
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: of Rick Smith's when he would not have great offensive

1622
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: games because he was a liability a little bit defensively,

1623
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 1: was Rick Smith. So if his shot wasn't going, it

1624
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: was like, why is he out there? He's too soft?

1625
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: And I think Turner started to feel and hear that

1626
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: narrative a lot. And while he when he was good,

1627
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 1: he was outstanding and he was beloved, and I think

1628
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: that deep down people here the reason they're hurt that

1629
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 1: he left is because deep down they do love him

1630
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 1: and kind of always thought that there would be no

1631
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: reason that he would ever leave. You know, he was

1632
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: he was your safety school, right. He was the school

1633
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 1: that like, I'm going to apply to see if i

1634
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: can get in the University of Chicago, and I'm going

1635
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 1: to apply to Notre Dame, but then I'm probably going

1636
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:56,879
Speaker 1: to end up at like one of the state universities

1637
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 1: because that's my safety school. And I think with Myles Turner,

1638
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,679
Speaker 1: there was the assumption amongst fans he was never going anywhere.

1639
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: And yesterday aaron Ne Smith came on. I asked, aaron Nesmith,

1640
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: were you surprised about Miles Turner? And I can't remember.

1641
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: He said he was surprised, right, Neie Smith said he

1642
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 1: was surprised by it. But then he said, I said, well,

1643
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, what did he say? And he said, well,

1644
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: he was on a group text. Here's what Aaron Nei

1645
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: Smith yesterday had to say about the departure of Miles Turner.

1646
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, he said, you know, to mention to the group

1647
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 7: chat about his decision and why he made it. I'm

1648
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 7: also I'm just the type of guy that you know,

1649
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 7: I wish him nothing but the best. He did well

1650
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 7: he thought was right for him and his family. And

1651
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 7: we'll see him when he played Milwaukee. You know, I'll

1652
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 7: give him a big hug at half court. But you know,

1653
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 7: once the game starts, you know, I got to win

1654
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 7: the game.

1655
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: Did he say what the reason was? That's him, that's

1656
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 1: for him, that's for him to speak all now. He

1657
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: did say though he was surprised by it. Miles Turner

1658
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: met yesterday with the media in Milwaukee, and this is

1659
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: what he had to say about his decision to becoming

1660
01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 1: a Buck.

1661
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:00,560
Speaker 8: One thing I'm doing now is embracing change, you know,

1662
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 8: embracing this. This this cool part of my career. Man,

1663
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 8: I'm going heading to my prime. You know, twenty nine

1664
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 8: years old, going to my eleventh season. And you know,

1665
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 8: I'm am in a city now that you know, wants

1666
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 8: to celebrate me, you know, somewhere they didn't know. There's

1667
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 8: a great quote that says, you know, go where you're celebrated,

1668
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 8: And I feel like that's here, you know, And I

1669
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 8: think that's people are excited to have me here at

1670
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 8: people nothing but welcoming, and you know, I excited for

1671
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 8: the opportunity.

1672
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: Now, what's interesting there is it sounds like he's like

1673
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: throwing some sort of shade at Indianapolis. So now I'm

1674
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 1: finally in a place where people celebrate me. Now I'm

1675
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 1: finally in a place where people appreciate me. Now I'm

1676
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: finally in a place where people love me. I kind

1677
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 1: of get it. Though, athletes oftentimes drive themselves through their

1678
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: own created disrespect. Michael Jordan was the king of it,

1679
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. They make documentaries about how Michael Jordan was

1680
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 1: this brilliant and I'm not saying Miles Turners Michael Jordan,

1681
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,440
Speaker 1: but I'm saying athletes have different ways to fuel themselves.

1682
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: And I think Miles Turner spent a career here hearing

1683
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 1: his name constantly in trade rumors. That's not to say

1684
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:13,879
Speaker 1: the Pacers were the ones creating those rumors, but Miles

1685
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: Turner spent a career here constantly being asked the question

1686
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 1: as to whether or not he was on the block.

1687
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: Miles Turner spent his career here constantly hearing people saying

1688
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: that he needed to be upgraded at he's too soft.

1689
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the people paying his paycheck, but Miles

1690
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 1: Turner also had the people paying his paycheck go out

1691
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 1: and give an offer sheet to DeAndre Ayton, which would

1692
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: you sert Miles Turner, And Miles Turner I think allowed

1693
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: that to fuel him, kept that in the back of

1694
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 1: his mind, and then when it came down to it,

1695
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 1: when the negotiation tables were turned and the Pacer said

1696
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 1: here's our offer, he said, I'm actually going to take

1697
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: another one, and they said, well, we didn't. You didn't

1698
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: let us know that that was on the table, And

1699
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 1: he said kind of like you didn't let me know

1700
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 1: that DeAndre Ayton was either. And I think that I'm

1701
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 1: not saying he's right nor wrong, but I do understand it,

1702
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 1: and I think that's what fueled him. And now he's

1703
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 1: off to Milwaukee. But there was more than just that.

1704
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 1: That took place yesterday in terms of media Day for

1705
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 1: the NBA, our friend from the Indianapolis Star, Dustin joins us, next,

1706
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: is it just my day? Las Soul? Heck, yeah, let's go,

1707
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 1: Chris Farcus and I went out immediately to Castleton and

1708
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: bought like entire wardrobes like these dudes, great stuff plugs one, two,

1709
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 1: and three tight with third base who made sure they

1710
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 1: did not get the gas face. In case you're wondering,

1711
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 1: Miles Turner kind of gave the gas face to Indiana

1712
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 1: yesterday with his comments regarding, you know, being appreciated or

1713
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: being celebrated by a city, and that was why he

1714
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 1: was happy to be in Milwaukee. But as for the

1715
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: Pacers themselves, his old team, Tyrie's Halliburton yesterday opened up

1716
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 1: about his recovery from his injury, talking about just the

1717
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 1: mental aspect of that, and it is easy to forget

1718
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 1: that for the Pacers. This is a year that you

1719
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 1: go in coming off of that finals run and you

1720
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 1: got to kind of just keep things going until Haliburton

1721
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,799
Speaker 1: comes back and then you find out who Turner's replacement

1722
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:32,799
Speaker 1: will be long term. There was a lot to discuss

1723
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: yesterday media Day for the Pacers joining us now from

1724
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: The Indianapolis Star. He is the Pacers beat writer Dustin Apirick,

1725
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: who joins us on the show. Dustin, when you walked

1726
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 1: away yesterday, the overwhelming sentiment you had about this Pacers

1727
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 1: team or their mindset was what but pretty determined.

1728
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 13: And I think, you know, you could obviously see that

1729
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 13: these guys who have just been through it, and you know,

1730
01:33:56,040 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 13: I think they're somewhat bothered by the idea of Itople

1731
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 13: think they're going to take a gap year or something

1732
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 13: that they're just not going to be relevant, uh, you

1733
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 13: know for a season, And I think they just sort

1734
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 13: of shrub that up because I mean, I think at

1735
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 13: this point, number one, they're used to being underestimated in.

1736
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 11: The first place.

1737
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 13: Uh, and too, it's just you're just not like there's

1738
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 13: not a world in which you get Andrew m Arden,

1739
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 13: Aaroni Smith and Pascal Siakam and TJ McCollums take it easy.

1740
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,719
Speaker 13: So you know, I think these guys do it as okay,

1741
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 13: like we're we're still going to play the way that

1742
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 13: we play. We're still we're still going to have this standard,

1743
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 13: We're still going to exhaust people, We're still going to

1744
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 13: wear them out. Uh, and people still can't hang with

1745
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 13: the way we play. I think that's still their view

1746
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 13: of it. And it's pretty sort of simple a matter

1747
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 13: of fact at this point because they know sort of

1748
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 13: how well it worked last year. I mean, I think

1749
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 13: they're they're aware there's going to be complications. I mean,

1750
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 13: you know that you take away a guy with not

1751
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 13: not only who has that much production as Taris Haliburton,

1752
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 13: but also creates the kind of gravity. I mean, it

1753
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:51,600
Speaker 13: is going to change the geometry of the game to

1754
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 13: not have somebody out there that's commanding, you know, two

1755
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 13: bodies to defend him so much. I mean, they're they're

1756
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 13: going to have to function differently and they know that,

1757
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 13: and I don't know if they realize what kind of

1758
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 13: complication is coming there, but they're also just not bothered

1759
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 13: by it because they've been through enough. I mean, this

1760
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,720
Speaker 13: is just this is a team that's decorated now. You know,

1761
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 13: you see obviously the big difference in your role players,

1762
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 13: in particular your net Mark Jernie Smith. You know, from

1763
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 13: a few years ago when they were just getting into

1764
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,759
Speaker 13: this and now there are guys that have seen everything

1765
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 13: that have seen in the NBA Finals in the Eastern

1766
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 13: Conference Finals, they just seem very everything kind of seems

1767
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 13: to O had this group all of a sudden, They've

1768
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 13: just been through so much, and she's like, yeah, you know,

1769
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 13: like nobody thinks you can win, but we'll be fine

1770
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 13: because we're gonna work everybody. I mean, that just seems

1771
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 13: to be how they look at it right.

1772
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 1: Now, Dustin, I'm going to ask you to play along

1773
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: with one of my hypotheticals here you ready, I love that.

1774
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:39,839
Speaker 13: That's my favorite part about.

1775
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 4: Doing the show.

1776
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 1: Go on, So you are native to Pittsburgh if I'm

1777
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 1: not mistaken, correct or the area that's correct?

1778
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 3: Okay, cas out east yet?

1779
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's say for Christmas this year, you're going

1780
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 1: to go to Pittsburgh, but the Pacers have a game

1781
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,680
Speaker 1: on the twenty sixth of December. You don't want to

1782
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: have to rush yourself back per se. So you're like,

1783
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just going to go ahead right

1784
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 1: now in October over and kind of write a skeleton

1785
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 1: version of the game report, and I'll change the names

1786
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 1: here and there, but so so in it, you start

1787
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 1: your story by saying against the Celtics, Indiana was led

1788
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 1: in rebounding by their starting center. Blank, whose name do

1789
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 1: you put.

1790
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 3: In it's gonna be leading in rebounding.

1791
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,759
Speaker 6: It's going to be Isaiah Jackson. So there's there's.

1792
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:29,440
Speaker 13: Kind of like there's like a presumption in that hypothetical.

1793
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:31,719
Speaker 13: I do think, I mean, there's a chance Ja Huff

1794
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 13: is going to start. But if Jay Huff starts, I

1795
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 13: don't think he's gonna leave them in rebounding. You know,

1796
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 13: I think you know, basically you're gonna have to lean

1797
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 13: on to grab your rebounds in that case. I mean,

1798
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 13: because I you know, Jay is I think he's got

1799
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 13: at about the same rate war Low or as far

1800
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 13: as rebound rate than moles Turner did and Miles Still

1801
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 13: I think, okay, the past I'll.

1802
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:52,600
Speaker 1: Put it to this, do you believe that Jackson? Do

1803
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 1: you believe Jackson will be their starting center because they

1804
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: more covet rebounding or do you think Huff will be

1805
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 1: their starting center because they more covet what he can

1806
01:36:58,880 --> 01:36:59,600
Speaker 1: do offensively?

1807
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 3: Right?

1808
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 13: It is such a coin flip for me, but I

1809
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 13: do at this point, if you said, right now, I

1810
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 13: would say Jay Huff because of what he can do offensively.

1811
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 13: But I mean, I could be you know, absolutely totally

1812
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 13: wrong on that. I know Carlo's idea. Jackson has been

1813
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 13: working with the one so far. I think the fact

1814
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 13: that he's up to two forty is a big deal,

1815
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 13: very into the sea of well, that looks like he says,

1816
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 13: he feels like he's doing it pretty well, and he's

1817
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 13: still got the same amount of bounce for the most part.

1818
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 13: He says he has some days where he feels like

1819
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 13: he doesn't. But I'm very interested. But that looks like

1820
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 13: live and so, I mean, my my opinion, that could

1821
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 13: change very quickly. I mean, they've got fanjam on Sunday.

1822
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 13: I might look at the world totally different after that.

1823
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 13: If he's if he's every bit as fast and jumps

1824
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 13: every bit as high at two forty as he did

1825
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 13: at too ten. Uh, you know that that does change

1826
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:52,839
Speaker 13: some things. But I do think jays of the floor matters,

1827
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 13: and you know, I could see some ups and downs

1828
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 13: as far as is concerned, and I think they might

1829
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 13: need that spacing. That might be something that's mission critical

1830
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 13: for them. And in the fact that he can block

1831
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 13: shots also matters. Rebounding could be an issue and and

1832
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 13: Jackson might you know, might have an edge there there's

1833
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 13: a good chance he has an edge there. But the

1834
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 13: hubstibility to shoot, I think is it is gonna.

1835
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 3: Matter one where I think's be a key part of the.

1836
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 13: Rotation because you can give you a kick and puffs

1837
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 13: three point option similar to what Turner did, and he's

1838
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 13: the only one that's proven his start in that record.

1839
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 1: Do you believe that the Pacers believe their starting center

1840
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: that will start alongside Tyre's Halliburton once Haliburton's back is

1841
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 1: on the current roster?

1842
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 13: I mean, I don't believe that, So I would have

1843
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 13: a hard time thinking that they believe that. I mean,

1844
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 13: I think you've got to swing bigger than what's there.

1845
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 13: I think these guys are good. I think they're effective.

1846
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:48,600
Speaker 13: I mean, I don't think there's anything bad about them necessarily.

1847
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 13: But you know, I mean, you made a championship run

1848
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 13: with a guy who was gonna hit what one hundred

1849
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 13: fifty three pointers last year? You know, I mean, and

1850
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:57,800
Speaker 13: and is your all time leaguing Uh you know, shot

1851
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 13: blocker Uh, you know was shooting about three three nine

1852
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 13: percent on a pretty high volume. You know, if that's

1853
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 13: what it takes to get to a championship, And I

1854
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,639
Speaker 13: don't know that you have that, I'll be interested to see.

1855
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1856
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:10,679
Speaker 13: Certainly ja Huff could prove me wrong. I think Jackson

1857
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:13,640
Speaker 13: could prove me wrong. But I feel like, if you know,

1858
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 13: you've seen kind of a template for what you have

1859
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 13: to have to really make it work and take at

1860
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 13: the distance, I don't you have something that that's at

1861
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 13: that level on this group right now, And I think

1862
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 13: you're gonna have to look for that in the offseason somehow.

1863
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: What what overwhelmingly jumped out at you yesterday?

1864
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 13: I think, I mean maybe that I wasn't overwhelmed by anybody.

1865
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 3: I think it was just the.

1866
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,679
Speaker 13: Like not quiet confidence, but it was just like they

1867
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 13: definitely had this view of like, yeah, we're back, Okay, Yeah,

1868
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 13: we're just gonna do this thing again.

1869
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 3: You know.

1870
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 13: It just seemed they were so matter of fact, they

1871
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 13: were so you know, like they were so used to it,

1872
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 13: and it was almost like they had been I think,

1873
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:51,959
Speaker 13: just such a through such a media country, through the finals,

1874
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:54,640
Speaker 13: that this was just kind of like nothing to them.

1875
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 13: And I guess it felt like part of a build

1876
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 13: up the last couple of years of you know, two

1877
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 13: seasons goes like Okay, we're making the playoffs, this year,

1878
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 13: there's like and last year was okay, like we think

1879
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 13: would be a championship team. Like they had something to

1880
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 13: say in that regard of this group as like, Okay,

1881
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 13: we're back. We no ties out where we find, you know,

1882
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 13: because we know we're doing like we we know how

1883
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 13: to win with you know, we've proven how to win.

1884
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 13: We've proven we can do this and proving our way work.

1885
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 13: We don't know what we're going to end up. We're

1886
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 13: not going to even guess to what that's going to be,

1887
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 13: but you know, like we're going to be better than

1888
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 13: you think. You know, That's all we'll say. That just

1889
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 13: sort of seemed like it was. It was very sort

1890
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 13: of like quick.

1891
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 3: They didn't dive into a lot.

1892
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 13: I mean, I really tried to get them going on

1893
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 13: strategy and how it changes and how the offense is

1894
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,240
Speaker 13: going to be and what you've got to get used

1895
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 13: to and can you still play at the same pace

1896
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 13: and you're going to be as wide open and it

1897
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 13: was like yeah, I mean we all got to do more,

1898
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 13: you know, but like we set a standard and we

1899
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 13: can hit that standard. And it was everything just seemed

1900
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 13: very matter of fact and in terms of how they

1901
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:46,040
Speaker 13: approach yesterday.

1902
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, Dustin, there was I was thinking

1903
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 1: about the pacers yesterday and there's one player and I'm

1904
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 1: curious if you can decipher who I'm talking about. There

1905
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: was one player that popped in them I had and

1906
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, you know, we talk about other

1907
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 1: players in the same area and whether or not you

1908
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 1: know how those guys are going to take advantage of

1909
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 1: this new opportunity for minutes, and then it dawned on me.

1910
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:19,840
Speaker 1: There's a third in that mix that we saw very

1911
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 1: sparingly a year ago, and there have been flashes and

1912
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 1: while still young, this is a player that I'm curious

1913
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 1: if they break into rotation this year, and if so,

1914
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 1: if that's like the found twenty dollars bill in your

1915
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 1: pocket when you're doing your laundry. What player am I

1916
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 1: talking about?

1917
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:37,680
Speaker 3: You're talking about Johnny.

1918
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:39,479
Speaker 1: Furthy Bingo, Bingo?

1919
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, am I right?

1920
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1921
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 13: No, I mean yeah, no, I agree, I mean I

1922
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 13: think you know, I I'm gonna be very interested to see.

1923
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:50,600
Speaker 13: So I wrote about this in like sort of a

1924
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Speaker 13: five questions thing of you know what that young ringing

1925
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Speaker 13: wing rotation looked like in the second unit and obviously,

1926
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Speaker 13: I think it's pretty much been declared. All right, who

1927
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Speaker 13: four of your five stars are? And you're you know

1928
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Speaker 13: two to four on you know on the starting lineup

1929
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Speaker 13: are you know Master and that Nie Smith and Sakham

1930
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Speaker 13: and so you know you've got ob obviously penciled into

1931
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Speaker 13: be your starting you know, your backup power forward. But

1932
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Speaker 13: for those you know, two spots for shooting gardens small forward,

1933
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Speaker 13: you've got three, you know, three pretty intriguing options between

1934
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Speaker 13: Ben Shephard, Jars Walker and Johnny Furfys. Shepherd obviously is

1935
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Speaker 13: uh is the guy that you know is the constant.

1936
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Speaker 13: You know, you know what Ben Shepherd is going to

1937
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Speaker 13: be for better and for worse. And you know he's

1938
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Speaker 13: not gonna put a massive numbers that because he's gonna

1939
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,719
Speaker 13: shoot open threes, pass the ball, otherwise, run the floor hard.

1940
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Speaker 13: Uh defend. I mean he's not necessarily a lockdown defender,

1941
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Speaker 13: but he's gonna he's going to be aggressive, and he's

1942
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Speaker 13: going to get after people, and he's going to be

1943
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Speaker 13: willing to warning the pressure and so you know you

1944
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Speaker 13: can trust what you're gonna get at Ben Shepherd. You know,

1945
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 13: Rick Carlo loves Ben Shephard, so if those who are

1946
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 13: not impressed by Ben Shephard don't even get into this

1947
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 13: discussion now you know who's going to play, Get over

1948
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 13: it now. But you know, between Walker and Furfey, it's

1949
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Speaker 13: it's some very interesting stuff. Obviously, they have they have

1950
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:01,680
Speaker 13: different skill sets, they have different diferent potentials also, and

1951
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Speaker 13: I think there's both of them I think have something

1952
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Speaker 13: that was kind of a calling card for them going

1953
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Speaker 13: into the draft. You haven't necessarily seen yet.

1954
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Speaker 3: You know.

1955
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Speaker 13: Furfey, I think it was being an outside shooter and

1956
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Speaker 13: he's just been he's been just okay at that. And

1957
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Speaker 13: Walker You're expect him to be this, you know, top

1958
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Speaker 13: line defender, and he's been just okay at that.

1959
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Speaker 3: But they've grown really in other ways.

1960
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 13: I mean, Walker's really grown as a shooter. You know,

1961
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 13: you're you're seeing some like court vision from him.

1962
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Speaker 11: And that sort of thing.

1963
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Speaker 13: There's some impressive stuff there. But Furfey, I think it's

1964
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 13: played tougher than a lot of people expected. He's he's

1965
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 13: been a willing defender, a good rebounder, runs really hard,

1966
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:37,479
Speaker 13: is physical, finishes through contact. You've seen him grow. You know,

1967
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 13: he's way more muscled up because he had it at

1968
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 13: least twenty pounds. You know during last season he might

1969
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:44,280
Speaker 13: have added more since I mean, like he he turned

1970
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 13: into you know, he's he's heading towards the crown man's

1971
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:49,439
Speaker 13: body pretty quick. You know, that was something that happened,

1972
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 13: I think fast for him where you.

1973
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 3: Know you came in.

1974
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Speaker 13: Obviously he's babyface to start with, but he looked skinny

1975
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:56,600
Speaker 13: when they got him. He doesn't look skinny now, you know.

1976
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Speaker 13: I mean he's got some real man muscle now. And

1977
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Speaker 13: you saw that show up with the dunk in Summer League.

1978
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Speaker 13: I mean you saw some really good grown man moments

1979
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Speaker 13: in Vegas in a couple of games he played. So yeah, no,

1980
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Speaker 13: I think, you know, I think he starts as the

1981
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:12,920
Speaker 13: clear eleventh guy, and you know, one guy gets hurt

1982
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,800
Speaker 13: and he's in the rotation, you know, someplace. You know,

1983
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Speaker 13: whether it's basically man, I think anything and anybody gets

1984
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 13: hurt really along the line other than center, I think

1985
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Speaker 13: then you know basically there's going to be moving parts

1986
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 13: that lead to Johnny Furfrey getting rotation minutes. So you know, again,

1987
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Speaker 13: and it's possible if Jerris Walker doesn't you know, take

1988
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Speaker 13: substantial improvements, it's possible that Furfey could rip the you know, backup,

1989
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Speaker 13: small forward job right away from You.

1990
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Speaker 1: Know what's interesting is Dustin del Pirek is our guest

1991
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Speaker 1: talking about the Indiana Pacers. We had Aaron Neismith on yesterday, Dustin,

1992
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Speaker 1: and you know who am I to tell Aaron Nesmith

1993
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Speaker 1: that he's wrong?

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Speaker 6: Right?

1995
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Speaker 1: And maybe I had read it wrong. He was pretty

1996
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:55,040
Speaker 1: adamant to us yesterday that Indiana is going to continue

1997
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 1: to play at the same pace, and that they are

1998
01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 1: going to run the ball and they're going to be

1999
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 1: the same you know, kind of frantic nature that they

2000
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Speaker 1: were before. I thought for certain I had heard, whether

2001
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:08,759
Speaker 1: it be Chad by Cannon or Rick Carlisle, basically indicate

2002
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 1: that no, this year they're going to focus a little

2003
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Speaker 1: bit more on isolation and then once Halliburton's back, they

2004
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Speaker 1: picked the pace back up again. Did I hear that incorrectly?

2005
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Speaker 13: You heard it mostly correctly. I think where what Aaron?

2006
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Speaker 13: You know, at the end of the day, they're both right.

2007
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Speaker 13: I mean I think basically what they're both sort of

2008
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:30,640
Speaker 13: saying is when it gets into the half court, I

2009
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 13: mean basically like they're going to look for full court

2010
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Speaker 13: opportunities the same way they're going to sprint, you know,

2011
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Speaker 13: like wingers are going to sprint the floor. They're going

2012
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Speaker 13: to try to get down as fast as they can.

2013
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 13: You know, a big thing is just trying to get

2014
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,280
Speaker 13: into a situation where you're playing advantage basketball where you've

2015
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:45,599
Speaker 13: got more guys down the floor than they do, and

2016
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Speaker 13: you know they've got a guard, a two on one.

2017
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Speaker 13: You know, even if it's off of made baskets, they're

2018
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Speaker 13: still going to attack the way that they've attacked. You know,

2019
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Speaker 13: basically they're going to they're going to push off of

2020
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Speaker 13: defensive rebounds, they're going to certainly push off the turnovers,

2021
01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:58,600
Speaker 13: and they're going to push off on made baskets and

2022
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Speaker 13: try to catch people celebrating if you can run it back.

2023
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Speaker 13: What's different in terms of how they're going to function is, uh,

2024
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Speaker 13: you know, once you get into the half court, it's

2025
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 13: going to be harder for the ball to pop the

2026
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 13: same way that it did with Haliburton. I think the

2027
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Speaker 13: big difference I think is Halliburton's gravity that you lose

2028
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 13: and you know, the extent to which teams willing to

2029
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:20,599
Speaker 13: put two guys on him, and so you know, basically

2030
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 13: you blitz them, you get the ball out of Haliburton's hand,

2031
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 13: but then it pops, you know, then it starts moving

2032
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 13: and it finds the open man, and that there is

2033
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 13: an open man because you dedicated two guys to Halliburt

2034
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,120
Speaker 13: and so you know, then you're scrambling, then you're in rotation,

2035
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:33,559
Speaker 13: then you're running on closed outs and there's a there's

2036
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:35,639
Speaker 13: an open guy to find.

2037
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Speaker 3: And I think they'll be in.

2038
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:39,360
Speaker 13: That situation less they're going to have to break down

2039
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 13: defenses off the dribble, uh, those sorts of things, because

2040
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 13: you have you know, Siakama. I think it is still

2041
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:47,040
Speaker 13: going to command some double teams, but you know, basically

2042
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 13: when they're trying to double you know, Halliburton early in

2043
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 13: the possession, you know, around half court, uh, and you

2044
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:53,679
Speaker 13: get the ball out of his hands and it starts moving,

2045
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 13: it's going to find somebody. Whereas I think that's going

2046
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 13: to be a little bit harder to achieve, and you're

2047
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 13: gonna have to find different ways of careering an open man,

2048
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 13: of building gravity, of you know, getting the ball in

2049
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:05,280
Speaker 13: the paint. All those kinds of things are gonna have

2050
01:47:05,320 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 13: to be executed a little bit differently than they've been doing.

2051
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:09,599
Speaker 13: So I think that's kind of that. That's at least

2052
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:11,800
Speaker 13: what I've pieced together from talking to all of them.

2053
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 13: But chat did say that it's going to be more

2054
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 13: of an execution game, particularly in the half court. But

2055
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:18,680
Speaker 13: I don't think they're going to stop looking for, you know,

2056
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 13: sort of full court opportunities, transition opportunities. I don't think

2057
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,360
Speaker 13: they're going to pass those up or dowve back because

2058
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 13: I think they still feel like they have the finishers,

2059
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 13: they have the people that can run. They think they're

2060
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 13: conditioned enough, they believe that it's wearing teams down is still.

2061
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 6: A big part of what they do.

2062
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:35,360
Speaker 13: But I think there's once it gets into half court,

2063
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 13: you know, the geometry will be different by virtue of

2064
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 13: not having a guy in there that averages twenty points tenniss.

2065
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:43,799
Speaker 1: More to prove Jaris Walker, Bennett Matheren.

2066
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 13: Jeez, I'm gonna say Bennett maathm because he's in a

2067
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 13: contract year. But I mean, obviously that's they are, you know,

2068
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:54,920
Speaker 13: they are who they are. I've called him the shiny

2069
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:57,000
Speaker 13: objects in the past because there's a lottery picks and there.

2070
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 13: Everybody is always going to look at them in terms

2071
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:02,719
Speaker 13: of what they achieve and it's you know, like it's

2072
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:04,800
Speaker 13: wild that basically, you know, so many other guys on

2073
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 13: the team have overachieved, uh, you know, for what they

2074
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 13: were expected, how they were brought in, whether they were

2075
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:10,879
Speaker 13: drafted or where they were they were you know, included

2076
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:13,320
Speaker 13: as a you know, throw in in their trade sort

2077
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 13: of like Newsmith was, and then how how they sort

2078
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:18,040
Speaker 13: of overcheeved and what was expected. But mather and Walker

2079
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:19,560
Speaker 13: are top ten picks, and I think people will just

2080
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 13: always view them as just they are huge assets and

2081
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:24,719
Speaker 13: they have to they have to produce, and that's that's true.

2082
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 13: They do, and so I do think Mathern has achieved more.

2083
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 13: But but they have to decide what they're gonna do

2084
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,760
Speaker 13: with him, and it's gonna be very very and we've

2085
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 13: talked about it.

2086
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 3: So many times in the past.

2087
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 13: I'm very interested to see what Mathurin's going to be like,

2088
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 13: just because you know it's there. There is gonna be

2089
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:45,720
Speaker 13: temptation for him to just play the way he plays.

2090
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:48,679
Speaker 13: And you know, I think because you know, there's gonna

2091
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 13: be times when they need that. There's many times when

2092
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 13: they just need somebody to go get a bucket, and

2093
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 13: they're gonna be like Okay, well that's got to drive

2094
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 13: into three people. Well, Hecker said, that's the best thing

2095
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 13: we've got going with right now, So let him go.

2096
01:48:57,800 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 13: And so you're wondering, I was, is he going to

2097
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 13: develop into what they need him to him to be

2098
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 13: long term or he's gonna take a step back this year,

2099
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 13: even if he puts up better numbers, because he's just

2100
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 13: gonna rely on his basic and stick to plane one

2101
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:11,479
Speaker 13: on one. But I mean, I think Walker obviously has

2102
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 13: less of an achievement. You know, Matherin has proven he

2103
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:17,799
Speaker 13: can score. He has lived up to that billing, and

2104
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:19,400
Speaker 13: you know, but it's just a question of ken he

2105
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 13: It's not a question of canny score. It's question of

2106
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:23,920
Speaker 13: canny fit with Walker, Like you still need to see

2107
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:27,639
Speaker 13: the proof of production. So I guess probably it's it's

2108
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 13: more important for master room because it's more immediate. And

2109
01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 13: you know, I mean, he could he could average twenty

2110
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:34,200
Speaker 13: a game and still end up on somebody else's roster

2111
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 13: next year. I think that's certainly possible. You know, Walker, though,

2112
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 13: I think needs so maybe I'm changing my mind in

2113
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 13: the middle of this answer, but you know, Walker needs

2114
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:46,639
Speaker 13: to prove that he belongs in the league. He needs

2115
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:48,599
Speaker 13: to prove that he can be a productive NBA player,

2116
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 13: and so you know you're seeing signs of it, but

2117
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:53,639
Speaker 13: you've got to see you know, real I think, measurable

2118
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 13: stuff this.

2119
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 1: Year, Dustin, do you think Rick Carlisle's stronger suit as

2120
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 1: a coach is a recognizing where a team needs to

2121
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 1: be adjusted and making the adjustments for the team, or

2122
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:14,839
Speaker 1: be recognizing where a team has weakness and getting guys

2123
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 1: to buy into what it is that he's needing them

2124
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:22,920
Speaker 1: to do and getting them to adjust to him.

2125
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 3: It's a great question.

2126
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 13: Because you've seen evidence of them being really good at both.

2127
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 13: You know, I mean, I think you know, it's it's

2128
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:31,840
Speaker 13: really impressive what he's done. You know, defensively, when you

2129
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:34,600
Speaker 13: think about how easy it was to score on the

2130
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:38,760
Speaker 13: Indiana Pacers up until December of twenty twenty three, you know,

2131
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:41,280
Speaker 13: from you know, basically the first two months of that

2132
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,559
Speaker 13: year and you're giving up one hundred and fifty points.

2133
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:46,439
Speaker 13: You know, it's like, so it's really impressive that they've got,

2134
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 13: you know, bought into this idea of Okay, you know

2135
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 13: it's got to be pressure, you know, that's going to

2136
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:52,879
Speaker 13: be that's got to be the way that they achieve

2137
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,759
Speaker 13: this and get right is just to lean into pressure.

2138
01:50:56,120 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 13: And you know you had to you know, I guess

2139
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 13: you had guys that had the physical skills for that.

2140
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 13: But you know still to say we're gonna do something

2141
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 13: nobody else is doing, Like even though you know, we've

2142
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:07,640
Speaker 13: been horrendous on defense, so what we're going to do

2143
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 13: is something no one else is even attempting. Uh, it's

2144
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:13,400
Speaker 13: pretty well, I think. I mean, I'm going to guess,

2145
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:16,240
Speaker 13: remind me exactly how you worked the first thing?

2146
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:17,640
Speaker 3: It was?

2147
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:21,479
Speaker 1: Do you think it is Rick Carlisle saying Gosh, I've

2148
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:25,639
Speaker 1: got all of these pieces that that most would put

2149
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 1: together a perfect triangle, and then you know, realizing and

2150
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 1: recognizing that, or is it saying, gosh, these guys look

2151
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 1: like they might be triangular pieces, but I want them

2152
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 1: to be a circle. So I'm going to get them

2153
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 1: to buy into what it is that I need them

2154
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 1: to be.

2155
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:44,760
Speaker 13: And that's I still win the first one. I mean,

2156
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 13: I think in part just because I haven't seen the

2157
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 13: master and thing come together yet and it's been his

2158
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:55,000
Speaker 13: project the entire time. But you know, I but he's

2159
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:57,720
Speaker 13: good at both. I mean, he's very very good at

2160
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,800
Speaker 13: both and I'm trying to like even like some of

2161
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:03,720
Speaker 13: those things really sort of leave together, you know if

2162
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 13: you think about it, you know, like over time, it's

2163
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:11,280
Speaker 13: just he has he has looked at this group and said, Okay,

2164
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 13: you know, like what what what is this that I have?

2165
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 13: And men's to to sort of look outside the box

2166
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:20,800
Speaker 13: to figure that out in terms of saying, Okay, you know,

2167
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:23,640
Speaker 13: like this team has to like I'm gonna I this

2168
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:26,960
Speaker 13: Tyre's Halliburton has got to be you know, my sort

2169
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:29,439
Speaker 13: of north star on this and and playing his way

2170
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:31,680
Speaker 13: and piecing everything around it so that it works and

2171
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:33,479
Speaker 13: we're gonna play a different way than anybody else is

2172
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 13: doing that, and then looking and saying, Okay, I got

2173
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:37,920
Speaker 13: a defensive problem. I don't know how to fix it,

2174
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:40,640
Speaker 13: so okay, I'm going to lean into this. This is

2175
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:42,599
Speaker 13: the idea of pressure because I don't have enough size,

2176
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:44,400
Speaker 13: So I'm just going to try to outwork people. And

2177
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:45,320
Speaker 13: that's how it's gonna work.

2178
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 3: I mean, he's I don't know, he's very good at.

2179
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:49,679
Speaker 13: Reading sort of I guess booth sides of that equation

2180
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:51,800
Speaker 13: of where he is deficient or where he has more

2181
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 13: than you know, or where he has a lot of

2182
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 13: pieces and just folds them into over our convision.

2183
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:01,600
Speaker 1: Lastly, dustin this if you look at it, Okay, I

2184
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:03,559
Speaker 1: want you to tell me the guy from last season

2185
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 1: to this that is going to have the biggest differential

2186
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:09,120
Speaker 1: in terms of their scoring average, either because it's going

2187
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:12,200
Speaker 1: to uptick or because their role is different now and

2188
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 1: it's going to dip.

2189
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:19,840
Speaker 3: Hmm. I think.

2190
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:21,400
Speaker 13: I mean, I think just har is going to go

2191
01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 13: up because he has to score, you know. I mean,

2192
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:26,560
Speaker 13: I don't think he's going to average twenty, but I

2193
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 13: think he's going to average you know, sixteen seventeen. In

2194
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 13: that range. I don't think you're gonna have a bigger

2195
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:35,439
Speaker 13: swing than seven points. But I think this as as

2196
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 13: the trigger guy, as the guy who's going to be

2197
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 13: a picking a ball handler a lot, you know, as

2198
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:40,320
Speaker 13: a guy who's going to play a lot with this

2199
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:44,120
Speaker 13: uh that the ball in his hands, I think, you know,

2200
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 13: Nemhart will be required to score more like I think,

2201
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 13: I think there won't be any way around it. Where

2202
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:50,320
Speaker 13: last year he was able to sort of still facilitate

2203
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:53,760
Speaker 13: even though he was looking to deal them, you know,

2204
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 13: falling into that. Okay, let's let's see Halliburton in.

2205
01:53:58,400 --> 01:53:59,760
Speaker 6: Up roll in this.

2206
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:02,280
Speaker 13: I think it's just like he he has to put

2207
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 13: the ball in the bucket, he has to pick shots.

2208
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 13: You know it's going to be fired of him that

2209
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:09,080
Speaker 13: the still goal attempts go up. And so by that nature,

2210
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:10,800
Speaker 13: I think I'm back again. I don't you know, I

2211
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 13: don't know if you're to look at and say, well, nemmarks,

2212
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:14,759
Speaker 13: it's not gonna app thirty or twenty five or anything

2213
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:17,880
Speaker 13: like that, but you know, like he'll be It'll be

2214
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:19,680
Speaker 13: seventeen eighteen. I don't think anybody else will have a

2215
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:20,639
Speaker 13: seven points line.

2216
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 1: Dustin appreciate it as always. The next thing on the

2217
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: docket here for the Pacers before we get into preseason

2218
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:30,879
Speaker 1: that you will be writing about will be what, ah.

2219
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 13: Man, we got practice practice, Now we've got you know,

2220
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:36,680
Speaker 13: Stan Jam is Saturday. As far as it's like you're asking,

2221
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:37,680
Speaker 13: like what's the next.

2222
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:40,440
Speaker 1: Big development correct or the next just the next event?

2223
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:43,760
Speaker 13: Yeah, next event. I mean, I guess it's Fan Jam

2224
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 13: on Sunday. You know, there's practice all week stuff. We're

2225
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 13: just coming out of that. We're going to going to

2226
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:49,480
Speaker 13: write about James Wiseman, the one right and some of

2227
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 13: that stuff. But we see, we see actually real basketball,

2228
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:54,440
Speaker 13: even though it's in a squad scrimmage on Friday, and

2229
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 13: then you know it's one week from the day he

2230
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:57,800
Speaker 13: had a preseason game.

2231
01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:00,800
Speaker 1: It's pretty well all right with a Florida Uh not

2232
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:02,920
Speaker 1: only obviously your time today, but look forward to talking

2233
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:04,240
Speaker 1: to you over the course of your hard to believe

2234
01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 1: it's here, but it is, Dustin, appreciate it.

2235
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:08,400
Speaker 3: Absolute things go the chicks, all right.

2236
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:13,520
Speaker 1: Dustin Dopirek joining us at Indianapolis Star. Thank you, Eddie listen.

2237
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:16,440
Speaker 1: I I can't believe it's here. To be honest with you,

2238
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:17,960
Speaker 1: like the time is just boom right.

2239
01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:21,400
Speaker 2: The kaya that you guys didn't really touch on that

2240
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:24,879
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated to. C jke is what does TJ McConnell's

2241
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:25,440
Speaker 2: role look like?

2242
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:28,720
Speaker 1: Also good? Yeah, to this point, is.

2243
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 2: He gonna have to play more than twenty minutes a game.

2244
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 2: I know they try to not do that just to

2245
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 2: keep them fresh for the duration of a season. But

2246
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:38,800
Speaker 2: right now, here's your backup point guard and your only

2247
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 2: other you know, ball handler for a lack of a

2248
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:45,200
Speaker 2: better you know phrasing or a title there outside of

2249
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:48,520
Speaker 2: nim Hart. I mean, you've got Matherin. But if Matheren

2250
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:51,280
Speaker 2: or if you've got nim Hard in foul trouble one night,

2251
01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:55,120
Speaker 2: McConnell will have to step up. And then who's the

2252
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:57,360
Speaker 2: third quote unquote point guard?

2253
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, is it the third point guard? I mean,

2254
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 1: obviously McConnell is kind of your flex guy there. And

2255
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:12,720
Speaker 1: then they just signed one, right, and then pulled out

2256
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 1: because of a calf injury. The calf injury to Mo Morris, right.

2257
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:17,480
Speaker 2: Montay Morris.

2258
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and now there is word wasn't there another

2259
01:56:21,480 --> 01:56:24,360
Speaker 1: player that they are apparently close to signing?

2260
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:28,240
Speaker 2: Oh, Delonne, right, that's right. I guessed out on that one.

2261
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:29,720
Speaker 1: And I can't remember if they signed him or they

2262
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:31,840
Speaker 1: were close to signing, but you know that that's probably

2263
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 1: going to be your number three point guard there. But McConnell,

2264
01:56:35,320 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 1: you are correct, Eddie, because one thing about McConnell. When

2265
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 1: Halliburton comes back, if you believe that you are in

2266
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:44,440
Speaker 1: position to again make a push, you want to make

2267
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 1: sure because McConnell was such an important part of that

2268
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 1: and that energy that he brings, you kind of want

2269
01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:51,120
Speaker 1: to keep him fresh for that for a year from now, right,

2270
01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:53,640
Speaker 1: because there there's a lot more mileage on the tires

2271
01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:54,120
Speaker 1: there right.

2272
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:55,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

2273
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:57,680
Speaker 1: You know it's kind of like me, I'm getting a

2274
01:56:57,720 --> 01:56:59,880
Speaker 1: replacement engine on my car, now, do you know?

2275
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 2: Again?

2276
01:57:01,200 --> 01:57:04,360
Speaker 1: Well, so no, they're doing it right now. So this

2277
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:06,680
Speaker 1: is so I had an in just doing what right now?

2278
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:11,800
Speaker 1: Who's doing what right now? So my car, I had

2279
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:15,040
Speaker 1: a part that broke and it was under warranty. So

2280
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:17,000
Speaker 1: I took it to the folks and I said, look,

2281
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:18,880
Speaker 1: I think this part broke. And they said, well, we

2282
01:57:18,920 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 1: got to check and make sure your warranty covers. And

2283
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 1: I said, well, I know for a fact the warranty covers.

2284
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:23,800
Speaker 1: And they said how do you know that? And I said,

2285
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 1: because you did exactly that four months ago on the

2286
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:28,640
Speaker 1: other part that's the identical to this one, and it

2287
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:31,400
Speaker 1: was covered under warranty. Oh, you're right. So they had

2288
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:33,920
Speaker 1: it for two weeks, which became three weeks, which became

2289
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:37,000
Speaker 1: four weeks, which became five weeks. And then because they said, well,

2290
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 1: not only did we discover that part was broken, but

2291
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:40,680
Speaker 1: so it was this part broken and then part of

2292
01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 1: this other part got into this part, and so we're

2293
01:57:43,240 --> 01:57:45,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to like redo all kinds of stuff. And

2294
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:47,640
Speaker 1: I said, okay, great, and they got it done, and

2295
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:49,680
Speaker 1: I picked up my car and I drove it and

2296
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:52,520
Speaker 1: I got like two blocks, and then all of a sudden,

2297
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:55,160
Speaker 1: all hell broke loose and it sounded like there was

2298
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:58,080
Speaker 1: a duck underneath the hood, and then steam started coming out.

2299
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 1: So I had it towed back to the deal again,

2300
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 1: and they said, oh, by the way, your engine blew up.

2301
01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 1: I said, well, doesn't sound like my engine blew up.

2302
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 1: It sounds like the engine that you just got done

2303
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 1: working on blew up. And they said, well, you're right,

2304
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 1: so we're giving you. We're putting in a replacement engine,

2305
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:17,360
Speaker 1: which feels awesome, and I'm happy for them for that diligence.

2306
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 1: But then I'm curious about what happens with my new engine.

2307
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:23,320
Speaker 1: Is my warranty now carry over into the new engine?

2308
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:25,440
Speaker 1: Does this mean I have a car with zero miles

2309
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 1: on it? How does that work? Do you know what

2310
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean?

2311
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:32,240
Speaker 2: The great question is the odominant reset exactly?

2312
01:58:32,280 --> 01:58:33,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. This car was only five and a

2313
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:36,760
Speaker 1: half years old. I bought it brand new, so you

2314
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:39,600
Speaker 1: know when it went all hell broke loose, and it

2315
01:58:39,640 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: all broke loose in a big way, right like basically

2316
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:44,920
Speaker 1: my car turned into a teenager and then went away

2317
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:48,839
Speaker 1: and came back and like you know, was in seven gangs,

2318
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:51,640
Speaker 1: had been arrested four times and gotten somebody pregnant. I mean,

2319
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:54,960
Speaker 1: it was just like all hell broke loose overnight. Tell

2320
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 1: me a boo your car boo too, right, maybe that's

2321
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:01,040
Speaker 1: what's going on. Who take your car out in the

2322
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:03,720
Speaker 1: middle of the night. When I was a kid at

2323
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:06,480
Speaker 1: a true story. When I was a kid, my mom,

2324
01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:09,360
Speaker 1: when I was really little. We still do this within

2325
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:11,560
Speaker 1: our family to this day. But when I was really little,

2326
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 1: you would get Christmas gifts from the pets, the family pet.

2327
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,280
Speaker 1: You know, you would get a box would be under

2328
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:19,920
Speaker 1: the tree that would say, you know, to Jake from Sam.

2329
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:22,960
Speaker 1: Sam was the family cat, and it was always either

2330
01:59:23,160 --> 01:59:26,840
Speaker 1: pajamas or socks. Okay. And when I was really little,

2331
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:29,520
Speaker 1: and this is still a tradition to this day, but

2332
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:32,240
Speaker 1: when I was really little, my mom would say, I'd say,

2333
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:34,720
Speaker 1: how did Sam go and get socks? And my mom said, well,

2334
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:37,760
Speaker 1: there's a store that sells just for pets. And Sam's

2335
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:40,240
Speaker 1: got a motorcycle and he rides it along with Muffin,

2336
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:42,240
Speaker 1: which was the dog. He takes Muffin with her, and

2337
01:59:42,280 --> 01:59:44,879
Speaker 1: I really thought this was true until I was like fourteen.

2338
01:59:46,280 --> 01:59:49,560
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe Boo does do exactly that. I

2339
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:51,440
Speaker 1: doubt it, but maybe it's possible. We never know.

2340
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:52,440
Speaker 2: He's your cat, Jake.

2341
01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:53,040
Speaker 6: That's right.

2342
01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:55,440
Speaker 2: Considering his size, he is a great cat.

2343
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:57,200
Speaker 1: By the way, Scott Agnes is going to join us

2344
01:59:57,440 --> 02:00:00,720
Speaker 1: other side Fever and Action tonight taking on Vegas. We'll

2345
02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:01,320
Speaker 1: get the loadown.

2346
02:00:01,320 --> 02:00:01,560
Speaker 6: Next.

2347
02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:05,480
Speaker 1: I've got a fabulous dance we used to do in

2348
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:07,120
Speaker 1: high school to this song in the car. Y you

2349
02:00:07,120 --> 02:00:12,280
Speaker 1: want to see it? Folks on the YouTube can see it. Yeah,

2350
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:14,560
Speaker 1: you gotta wait for Gilbert Godfred to quit talking here.

2351
02:00:15,320 --> 02:00:18,480
Speaker 1: You gotta wait till they get back into the Here

2352
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:23,879
Speaker 1: we go. You ready? Okay?

2353
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:26,720
Speaker 2: That is I'm clipping that and I will be uh

2354
02:00:27,240 --> 02:00:30,560
Speaker 2: sending that to Shannon. Look at these dance moves.

2355
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 1: Well she's seen it, trust me. Oh really, listen, how

2356
02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:37,280
Speaker 1: do you think I outkicked the coverage the way I did?

2357
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2358
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:42,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to fully get I pulled out all

2359
02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:43,280
Speaker 2: the stops back in the day.

2360
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:45,160
Speaker 1: Hi, my name is Jake. Would you like to see

2361
02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:46,040
Speaker 1: my gas face dance?

2362
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:46,880
Speaker 13: Oh?

2363
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:49,080
Speaker 1: Yes, great, We've.

2364
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:50,040
Speaker 2: Got Scott Agnes on the line.

2365
02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:53,600
Speaker 1: Jake, Scott. Scott knows all this. Scott joins us on

2366
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:57,720
Speaker 1: the program. He's well aware of my gas face dancing

2367
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 1: skills because they're probably still a mortal in the halls

2368
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:04,480
Speaker 1: of our common high school. Pacer or excuse not Pacers

2369
02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:06,600
Speaker 1: Fever and Action. Tonight in Las Vegas, it is a

2370
02:01:06,680 --> 02:01:09,520
Speaker 1: game five, decisive game five to see if they can

2371
02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:12,440
Speaker 1: advance to the w NBA Finals. So, Scott, I will

2372
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:15,560
Speaker 1: get right to this question. Can they advance tonight to

2373
02:01:15,640 --> 02:01:16,800
Speaker 1: the WNBA Finals?

2374
02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:21,240
Speaker 9: I think, going back to your trademark, why not, Indiana?

2375
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:23,640
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, time you want to continue to count

2376
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:25,760
Speaker 9: them out, Jake, they prove us otherwise, so I think

2377
02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:27,560
Speaker 9: all of us would be foolish to.

2378
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:30,760
Speaker 4: Go ahead and cross them out. Now, there's going to

2379
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:32,840
Speaker 4: be a lot that has to go right for him.

2380
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:36,640
Speaker 9: We obviously will see how the officiating is called throughout

2381
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:38,720
Speaker 9: this one, because it's different from game to game. But

2382
02:01:39,080 --> 02:01:41,920
Speaker 9: there's no reason I would even hesitate to say that

2383
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:43,400
Speaker 9: they absolutely could get it done.

2384
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:45,760
Speaker 1: Speaking of the officiating in the way it's been called

2385
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:48,600
Speaker 1: Stephanie White in a little bit of hot water right

2386
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:51,160
Speaker 1: for basically agreeing with or having the back of one

2387
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:53,080
Speaker 1: of her counterpart coaches, is that right?

2388
02:01:54,200 --> 02:01:56,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, a thousand dollars fine, And I'd laugh at that

2389
02:01:56,800 --> 02:02:00,360
Speaker 9: because she didn't add anything new. She just repeated she's

2390
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:02,400
Speaker 9: talked about all season when asked about it. And the

2391
02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:06,560
Speaker 9: challenge to me, Jake and all this is we're in

2392
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:07,720
Speaker 9: these semi final games.

2393
02:02:07,720 --> 02:02:08,320
Speaker 4: They couldn't be.

2394
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:10,960
Speaker 9: Any better get into the game five, and yet all

2395
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:14,480
Speaker 9: the questions pregame last game where they got fined Becky Hammond,

2396
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:17,840
Speaker 9: who were about the officiating And so this has been

2397
02:02:17,880 --> 02:02:22,240
Speaker 9: a NonStop conversation, both in the playoffs here and throughout.

2398
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:22,920
Speaker 4: The regular season.

2399
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:26,840
Speaker 9: But yeah, part of me does not understand the fact that,

2400
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:28,560
Speaker 9: you know, coaches are going to support them one another

2401
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:30,720
Speaker 9: and have their endorsements like it's a small grouping.

2402
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:33,280
Speaker 4: And so then to add another.

2403
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 9: Fine on top of that for not saying anything new

2404
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:37,000
Speaker 9: was a little bit baffling to me.

2405
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:41,640
Speaker 1: Scott in terms of what Las Vegas has been able

2406
02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:45,720
Speaker 1: to do, for example, to take advantage of Indiana and

2407
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:49,360
Speaker 1: vice versa, will begin with the one side of it tonight,

2408
02:02:49,560 --> 02:02:52,240
Speaker 1: for the fever, the one thing they need to make

2409
02:02:52,280 --> 02:02:55,160
Speaker 1: sure that they take care of that has cost them

2410
02:02:55,720 --> 02:02:58,000
Speaker 1: so far two games in the series would be what.

2411
02:03:00,200 --> 02:03:04,720
Speaker 9: I would say their defensive performance. If they're allowing too

2412
02:03:04,720 --> 02:03:08,000
Speaker 9: many easy buckets around the rims lazy and falling and

2413
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:08,960
Speaker 9: those sort of things.

2414
02:03:10,120 --> 02:03:12,040
Speaker 4: Then if they're in for a tough night here.

2415
02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:14,480
Speaker 9: Because you're not going to have a home crowd behind you,

2416
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:17,240
Speaker 9: you gotta a sell out here of ten thousand people,

2417
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:19,640
Speaker 9: so you need you need to get a stop defensively.

2418
02:03:19,640 --> 02:03:21,800
Speaker 9: That's what Stephanie White's been preaching all season long.

2419
02:03:22,600 --> 02:03:25,480
Speaker 1: Okay. Now the other side of that would be the

2420
02:03:25,480 --> 02:03:27,480
Speaker 1: Fever's key to success rides, where.

2421
02:03:28,920 --> 02:03:31,160
Speaker 9: I'll say, if they can set the pace into the tempo,

2422
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:34,400
Speaker 9: if they're playing fast, if they're getting in fast, getting

2423
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:37,920
Speaker 9: out in fast breaks, if they're getting to the rim,

2424
02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:39,160
Speaker 9: then I think it's in.

2425
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:41,320
Speaker 4: Then the Fever are in for a good night.

2426
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:44,440
Speaker 9: If it's slowing down, if the aces are dictating tempo

2427
02:03:44,520 --> 02:03:48,600
Speaker 9: and all of that, then I don't like their chances.

2428
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:50,800
Speaker 1: How important is the Leah Boston going to be.

2429
02:03:52,520 --> 02:03:55,720
Speaker 4: Significant? Because of what she has to do at both ends.

2430
02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:57,720
Speaker 9: On one end, you're dealing with the MVP, and you

2431
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:00,320
Speaker 9: know she's probably good for at least twenty five points.

2432
02:04:00,840 --> 02:04:03,960
Speaker 9: Although we've seen age you have a couple bad games

2433
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:07,400
Speaker 9: in this series, which maybe does not portend for a

2434
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:10,280
Speaker 9: good Game five for the Fever on that front, But

2435
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:12,560
Speaker 9: and then on the other side, not only is she

2436
02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:15,000
Speaker 9: kind of the hub of the offense and playing through

2437
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:18,000
Speaker 9: her even more this season, but on top of that,

2438
02:04:18,280 --> 02:04:21,200
Speaker 9: I mean, what she's had to do on the interior,

2439
02:04:21,400 --> 02:04:23,480
Speaker 9: and to me, Jake, what has stood out is how

2440
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:25,400
Speaker 9: aggressive and how feisty.

2441
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:27,400
Speaker 4: And how she has not backed down from that challenge

2442
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:29,839
Speaker 4: because it is no easy task and she's.

2443
02:04:29,680 --> 02:04:32,040
Speaker 9: Doing it and she's playing like thirty five or forty

2444
02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:34,080
Speaker 9: minutes per game as well.

2445
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:36,560
Speaker 1: You know, would you look at and this is Kart

2446
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:39,360
Speaker 1: before the Horsecott Agnes is our guest Fieldhouse Files, Fever

2447
02:04:39,480 --> 02:04:42,200
Speaker 1: and Action tonight, Game five against Las Vegas nine to

2448
02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:45,040
Speaker 1: thirty tip correct, Eddie, Yeah, nine to fifteen. I got

2449
02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:46,960
Speaker 1: the pre game. Eddie will have the pregame as he

2450
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:48,280
Speaker 1: just mentioned, they're nine to fifteen.

2451
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:50,560
Speaker 2: So for Scott at six fifteen if he's interested in

2452
02:04:50,600 --> 02:04:53,800
Speaker 2: tuning in after Stephanie White's pregame media availability.

2453
02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:57,960
Speaker 1: That's right. Was there a if they were to get

2454
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:00,520
Speaker 1: and I get it. I mean we're speaking and speak

2455
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:02,640
Speaker 1: here because I know from their standpoint it's all about

2456
02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:06,720
Speaker 1: getting the win tonight, but if if they were to advance,

2457
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:09,839
Speaker 1: you know, I was a little surprised to see Phoenix

2458
02:05:09,880 --> 02:05:13,120
Speaker 1: get past Minnesota. And now maybe that's because I'm not

2459
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:16,640
Speaker 1: as nuanced in following the matchup of it, which was

2460
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:20,520
Speaker 1: is that an advantageous matchup for Indiana versus Minnesota?

2461
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:23,879
Speaker 4: I think more so than Phoenix.

2462
02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:26,680
Speaker 9: I mean more than just the curse of them playing

2463
02:05:26,720 --> 02:05:29,080
Speaker 9: in Phoenix and all the different injuries that happened there.

2464
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:33,160
Speaker 9: That was that was a grinded out, physical, grueling series

2465
02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:35,520
Speaker 9: that even though in the Fista Colliery if she was

2466
02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:38,640
Speaker 9: healthy for Minnesota, you never want to go against that talent.

2467
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:42,560
Speaker 9: I just think Phoenix is a difficult matchup and one

2468
02:05:42,680 --> 02:05:43,839
Speaker 9: you would have liked to avoid.

2469
02:05:44,840 --> 02:05:50,080
Speaker 1: Scott I mentioned this to Stephanie White, and it was

2470
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:53,880
Speaker 1: interesting because she basically said no in every area without

2471
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:57,680
Speaker 1: saying no in every area, and that is and follow

2472
02:05:57,720 --> 02:06:01,800
Speaker 1: me here, I'm almost embarrassed to ask it. Okay, they

2473
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:07,240
Speaker 1: win tonight, they get into the w NBA Finals, they

2474
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:12,240
Speaker 1: let's say, steal game one. Any chance that Caitlin Clark

2475
02:06:12,360 --> 02:06:13,360
Speaker 1: makes a return.

2476
02:06:14,600 --> 02:06:16,360
Speaker 4: Zero because she's not eligible.

2477
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:19,360
Speaker 9: They have to have an active list going into the postseason.

2478
02:06:19,720 --> 02:06:22,360
Speaker 9: She is not on that cause I thought therefore she

2479
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:23,240
Speaker 9: is not available.

2480
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:27,320
Speaker 1: Okay, see I thought that that. Didn't Stephanie say that

2481
02:06:28,680 --> 02:06:31,960
Speaker 1: she wasn't sure of like where that that lied or something,

2482
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:33,680
Speaker 1: Eddie when we asked her about it. Because there's been

2483
02:06:33,720 --> 02:06:37,000
Speaker 1: so much discussion about it, Scott, and I've seen varying

2484
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:39,800
Speaker 1: accounts as to whether or not she she would be

2485
02:06:40,440 --> 02:06:42,880
Speaker 1: eligible to play. You're saying she would definitively not be

2486
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:48,520
Speaker 1: eligible and that's not a finals rule, that's a postseason rule, right, yes, Okay, well.

2487
02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:53,480
Speaker 4: Good understanding. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

2488
02:06:53,560 --> 02:06:56,160
Speaker 9: This is all new territory because there and there's also

2489
02:06:56,200 --> 02:06:58,040
Speaker 9: a lot of stuff that's going around the internet, like

2490
02:06:58,040 --> 02:07:00,240
Speaker 9: if they're down two more players, do that to get

2491
02:07:00,280 --> 02:07:03,000
Speaker 9: an ad A and it's like, no, they can't add

2492
02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:05,560
Speaker 9: any more players should there be more injuries because there

2493
02:07:05,560 --> 02:07:07,920
Speaker 9: are no more hardship exceptions in the playoffs, And so

2494
02:07:08,440 --> 02:07:11,120
Speaker 9: the other thing is by not putting her on the

2495
02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:14,200
Speaker 9: active list, that allowed them to keep the other players,

2496
02:07:14,240 --> 02:07:17,400
Speaker 9: like the hardship players, to still be on the roster,

2497
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:19,280
Speaker 9: or else you would have had this sacrifice at least

2498
02:07:19,320 --> 02:07:20,080
Speaker 9: one of those spots.

2499
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:24,840
Speaker 1: Do you get the impression that Las Vegas is more,

2500
02:07:25,320 --> 02:07:30,200
Speaker 1: how do I word this? Their experience at this point

2501
02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:33,040
Speaker 1: is paying dividend for them or do they seem to

2502
02:07:33,080 --> 02:07:36,040
Speaker 1: be at times just as on their heels as any

2503
02:07:36,080 --> 02:07:37,480
Speaker 1: other team would be in this situation.

2504
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:40,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say the latter.

2505
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:43,240
Speaker 9: I think they're trying to figure this out on the fly.

2506
02:07:43,400 --> 02:07:45,800
Speaker 9: In as much as the fever Head faced their own

2507
02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:48,680
Speaker 9: kind of adversity still has this Vegas team. I still

2508
02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:51,400
Speaker 9: think back to that early July game Jake and Indianapolis,

2509
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:54,320
Speaker 9: where outside of Asian no one else on had aces

2510
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:56,440
Speaker 9: team showed up or I think made more than one

2511
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:57,000
Speaker 9: field goal.

2512
02:07:57,160 --> 02:07:58,240
Speaker 4: It was one of the.

2513
02:07:58,240 --> 02:08:01,960
Speaker 9: Worst, if not the worst opponent performances collectively I have

2514
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:05,000
Speaker 9: ever seen. And so then they navigate that, get over

2515
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:06,800
Speaker 9: that in a few weeks, and then they rattle off

2516
02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:10,600
Speaker 9: eighteen or seventeen of eighteen wins too in the regular season,

2517
02:08:10,680 --> 02:08:13,840
Speaker 9: and so yeah, I think this is a classic case

2518
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:15,440
Speaker 9: where they're going to hope to try to lean on

2519
02:08:15,560 --> 02:08:18,640
Speaker 9: some of that big game experience and such. But I

2520
02:08:18,680 --> 02:08:22,760
Speaker 9: don't necessarily have anything like one or two points there

2521
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:24,960
Speaker 9: that we've seen. It's like, oh, yeah, they've been here before.

2522
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:26,600
Speaker 9: You could really see it in this moment.

2523
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:30,240
Speaker 1: Scott By the way, what have you done in Vegas

2524
02:08:30,280 --> 02:08:31,000
Speaker 1: in your free time?

2525
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:36,720
Speaker 4: Just had a nice dinner and a little gambling.

2526
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:41,040
Speaker 1: A little gambling, okay, And in the gambling aspect, Eddie's

2527
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:44,120
Speaker 1: ears perked up. You gambled in what way? Like I

2528
02:08:44,200 --> 02:08:47,440
Speaker 1: only play Roulette, by the way, blacks thirty one hits

2529
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:50,920
Speaker 1: every time you play what games? When you gamble?

2530
02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:55,400
Speaker 9: Almost exclusively Blackjack? If I'm with the group, I like Craps,

2531
02:08:55,440 --> 02:08:57,000
Speaker 9: but not when it's one or two of you.

2532
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:00,880
Speaker 1: I've never understood that, Like, am I weird that I

2533
02:09:00,920 --> 02:09:03,480
Speaker 1: don't understand craps? Is that? Like? Is Crap's one of

2534
02:09:03,480 --> 02:09:05,839
Speaker 1: those games that once you learn it, you don't understand

2535
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:08,080
Speaker 1: how you didn't learn it. Does that make sense?

2536
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:11,280
Speaker 9: I think that's all the games quite frankly, even like Blackjack,

2537
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:14,480
Speaker 9: like all the little nuances right of when you doubled down,

2538
02:09:14,520 --> 02:09:17,000
Speaker 9: when you split, like that's where you really get the

2539
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:20,760
Speaker 9: best odds ultimately. So no, I think you just have

2540
02:09:20,840 --> 02:09:24,480
Speaker 9: to learn by practice through all of these, except maybe Roulette,

2541
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:25,560
Speaker 9: where you just pick.

2542
02:09:25,400 --> 02:09:29,960
Speaker 2: And choose Scott In the last couple of games, Mikhayla

2543
02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:31,840
Speaker 2: Timpson has been the first player off the bench for

2544
02:09:31,880 --> 02:09:34,240
Speaker 2: Stephanie White there were so many games through out of

2545
02:09:34,240 --> 02:09:36,240
Speaker 2: the course of the regular season, especially down the stretch.

2546
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:39,160
Speaker 2: I don't understand. This is probably largely connected to Tamoor

2547
02:09:39,200 --> 02:09:42,400
Speaker 2: Staunton's being in the concussion protocol and she's out again

2548
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:45,480
Speaker 2: tonight for the Indiana fever. But what was it about

2549
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:49,080
Speaker 2: the Las Vegas aces that allowed or I guess I

2550
02:09:49,080 --> 02:09:52,200
Speaker 2: should say spark Stephanie White to go to Mikayla Timpson

2551
02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:54,760
Speaker 2: instead of Brianna Turner or somebody else off to bench first.

2552
02:09:55,600 --> 02:09:58,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it was mostly physicality. She's got that

2553
02:09:58,160 --> 02:10:01,720
Speaker 9: defensive mindset the the wingspan as well in her activity

2554
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:04,280
Speaker 9: levels high on the on the glass, and they've been

2555
02:10:04,360 --> 02:10:07,000
Speaker 9: so good throughout most of the series on the Glass.

2556
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:09,760
Speaker 9: But the number one thing Step points to is is

2557
02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:12,280
Speaker 9: her physicality to battle inside and get after it.

2558
02:10:14,040 --> 02:10:18,600
Speaker 1: Scott, the the gambling, by the way, I'm back to this.

2559
02:10:18,840 --> 02:10:19,640
Speaker 1: You won or lost?

2560
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Speaker 4: Sure? I had a good night last night, so.

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Speaker 1: He broke even to find good night? Did it pay

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Speaker 1: for dinner? Yes, pay for the hotel.

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02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:34,560
Speaker 4: That was comped, but yes, comped.

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02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:37,800
Speaker 1: Well, I believe what we're dealing with here is a

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02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:42,040
Speaker 1: high roller. Okay uh okay uh. Pay for the flight home.

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02:10:43,200 --> 02:10:47,800
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my wow, Scott was a heater last night.

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02:10:48,840 --> 02:10:50,600
Speaker 1: You have to pay taxes on it?

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Speaker 3: No?

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02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:56,240
Speaker 4: No, I wish wow. Yeah, No, it's just a good night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.

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02:10:57,680 --> 02:11:00,960
Speaker 9: Look, anybody that knows it knows it's just as easily

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Speaker 9: it could be a bad night.

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02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:06,920
Speaker 1: Okay, true enough that you could buy yourself Taylor Swift tickets?

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02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:09,280
Speaker 4: No, No, not at all?

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02:11:09,880 --> 02:11:13,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Wow. Do you think it'd be weird if I

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02:11:13,320 --> 02:11:16,680
Speaker 1: go to see Oasis in Buenos Aires, Argentina, By the.

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Speaker 4: Way, not at all? If No.

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Speaker 9: I think I learned that this whole Taylor Swift thing,

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02:11:23,560 --> 02:11:25,200
Speaker 9: that the concert experience.

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02:11:24,720 --> 02:11:26,640
Speaker 4: For the most part overseas is great.

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02:11:26,680 --> 02:11:29,640
Speaker 9: It's not better in some circums, totally circumstances than here

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02:11:29,640 --> 02:11:30,120
Speaker 9: in the US.

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Speaker 1: Totally agree, totally agree. All right, Scott, tonight it is

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02:11:33,120 --> 02:11:36,120
Speaker 1: fever in Las Vegas, aces Fieldhouse files, all the coverage.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time as always. All right, thanks guys, Scott

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02:11:39,240 --> 02:11:41,680
Speaker 1: Agnes joining us on the program. But Scott, might I

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02:11:41,720 --> 02:11:45,120
Speaker 1: say high roller Agnes? Right? I didn't know that.

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02:11:45,200 --> 02:11:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm a blackjack guy myself, Jake, are you? Yeah?

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02:11:49,200 --> 02:11:52,160
Speaker 1: I you know, the first time that I went to Vegas,

2590
02:11:52,280 --> 02:11:54,120
Speaker 1: I had no I was so naive by no idea.

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02:11:54,160 --> 02:11:55,880
Speaker 1: I thought the dealer was like trying to beat you

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02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:57,280
Speaker 1: all the time. So when they're like, no, no, no, you

2593
02:11:57,280 --> 02:11:59,280
Speaker 1: need to hit right there, I'm like, no, no, no, no,

2594
02:11:59,480 --> 02:12:01,360
Speaker 1: that's that's you're you're trying to get me to lose,

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02:12:01,400 --> 02:12:01,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

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02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:02,240
Speaker 6: I didn't.

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02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:04,960
Speaker 1: I lost a lot of money. I'm not very smart

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02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:07,040
Speaker 1: with that stuff. But I also don't gamble much at

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02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:09,720
Speaker 1: all at all. So roulette is it?

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Speaker 6: Literally?

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02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:13,800
Speaker 1: Oh look, roulette? It all right, we'll come back. Crossover.

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Speaker 1: JMB will be here, we will hand it off to him.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it next and it's time for the Crossover,

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Speaker 1: Johnny got a big show lined up.

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Speaker 5: Big show lined up. This Kathy Engelbert. Maybe in a

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02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:40,120
Speaker 5: lot of trouble, a heap of trouble.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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02:12:41,160 --> 02:12:44,560
Speaker 1: There's with the WNBA commissioners what you're talking about obviously.

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02:12:44,240 --> 02:12:47,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, they can't handle anything. I'm seriously the whole product

2614
02:12:47,320 --> 02:12:50,320
Speaker 5: is just they're so bound to screw everything up.

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02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:54,200
Speaker 1: They are in a real challenge. And I don't mean

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02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:56,640
Speaker 1: that in a bad way, but in a good way.

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02:12:56,680 --> 02:13:01,080
Speaker 1: I guess this is a league who's popular and who's

2618
02:13:01,240 --> 02:13:04,480
Speaker 1: demand has skyrocketed right in the last year or two,

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02:13:04,600 --> 02:13:09,080
Speaker 1: and so all of a sudden, you've got basically like

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02:13:09,200 --> 02:13:12,640
Speaker 1: a ranch style home that you've got the entire neighborhood

2621
02:13:12,680 --> 02:13:15,400
Speaker 1: wanting to move into. And so how do you handle

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02:13:15,520 --> 02:13:19,200
Speaker 1: all that comes with that? And you could certainly make

2623
02:13:19,240 --> 02:13:22,000
Speaker 1: a long argument for a long time about how equipped

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02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:23,840
Speaker 1: or lack thereof, they were to handle all that.

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02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,160
Speaker 5: Right, they weren't ready. I don't think on any level

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02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:28,120
Speaker 5: they don't seem to be ready, do they.

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02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:28,840
Speaker 3: No?

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02:13:28,960 --> 02:13:32,360
Speaker 1: I think that's uh. I mean that's been And especially

2629
02:13:32,440 --> 02:13:35,600
Speaker 1: when you start to consider as well, when you get

2630
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:38,280
Speaker 1: when you start getting into as we know, John, everything

2631
02:13:38,360 --> 02:13:41,120
Speaker 1: changes when you start dealing with massive amounts of money, right, yes,

2632
02:13:41,320 --> 02:13:45,400
Speaker 1: and get into the players association and the collective bargaining

2633
02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:48,600
Speaker 1: and all that. It gets real messy, real fast, it does.

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Speaker 5: We kind of guess that when all this first started, right,

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02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:53,440
Speaker 5: that they weren't going to be able to handle it,

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02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:58,000
Speaker 5: and they're not. You know, I think the officiating is

2637
02:13:58,080 --> 02:14:02,680
Speaker 5: like like the of the worries, correct, No, I mean

2638
02:14:02,720 --> 02:14:03,440
Speaker 5: everybody complain.

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02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:07,800
Speaker 1: I mean it's just but the conversation around the officiating

2640
02:14:07,960 --> 02:14:10,600
Speaker 1: is what's becoming a problem, right, you know what I mean,

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02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:15,200
Speaker 1: just the constant scrutiny and you know, coaches and everybody

2642
02:14:15,240 --> 02:14:17,400
Speaker 1: piling on right that that's where it because.

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02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:19,800
Speaker 5: What was their name, Cheryl Reeve that went all in

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02:14:19,880 --> 02:14:23,120
Speaker 5: and got the links coach, Yeah, that's some funny stuff.

2645
02:14:23,160 --> 02:14:23,720
Speaker 1: I will say this.

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Speaker 5: We're hearing stuff from the league's best player and arguably

2647
02:14:29,080 --> 02:14:31,760
Speaker 5: the best coach that I don't know have. When's the

2648
02:14:31,800 --> 02:14:34,040
Speaker 5: last time you heard something at that level taking shots

2649
02:14:34,080 --> 02:14:34,840
Speaker 5: in the league right now?

2650
02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:37,080
Speaker 1: Well, for sure, and I think maybe they should start

2651
02:14:37,080 --> 02:14:40,600
Speaker 1: their own you have certainly a player's association, that is,

2652
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:45,680
Speaker 1: I think, putting themselves in position to start wielding their

2653
02:14:45,720 --> 02:14:48,400
Speaker 1: power right right to get what it is that they want.

2654
02:14:49,080 --> 02:14:51,400
Speaker 1: What's lined up on the Big Show today, We're going.

2655
02:14:51,200 --> 02:14:54,760
Speaker 5: To do a little baseball conversation Tucker Barnhart because baseball

2656
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:57,280
Speaker 5: is officially starting. Eddie, We got Hunter.

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Speaker 1: Green later on tonight.

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Speaker 5: I'm upset, Well me a complete game with ten strikeouts

2659
02:15:04,760 --> 02:15:06,560
Speaker 5: what do you think That's about what they need about

2660
02:15:06,600 --> 02:15:08,400
Speaker 5: to get myself a sports arousal, right.

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02:15:08,360 --> 02:15:11,440
Speaker 2: Here, that's what they need to take, John, And I'm upset.

2662
02:15:11,480 --> 02:15:13,280
Speaker 2: I can't watch most of it because I've got fever today.

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02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:18,240
Speaker 5: Oh man, bumber yss what do you think Jake ten

2664
02:15:18,240 --> 02:15:19,760
Speaker 5: plus strikeouts.

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02:15:19,160 --> 02:15:23,600
Speaker 1: For Hunter Green? They win if that happens or run.

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02:15:23,320 --> 02:15:25,320
Speaker 5: And like in and a half and they're down seven

2667
02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:25,720
Speaker 5: to nothing.

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02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:28,880
Speaker 1: I worried about. You know, it wouldn't surprise me at all, John,

2669
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:30,920
Speaker 1: This is the pessimist in me. It wouldn't surprise me

2670
02:15:30,920 --> 02:15:34,120
Speaker 1: at all if this becomes like the San Francisco series

2671
02:15:34,120 --> 02:15:35,600
Speaker 1: where they you know that too, and then all of

2672
02:15:35,640 --> 02:15:37,680
Speaker 1: a sudden it's like whoa wait a minute, and you

2673
02:15:37,680 --> 02:15:40,160
Speaker 1: can just see it coming, and Lurie could be Roy

2674
02:15:40,200 --> 02:15:43,160
Speaker 1: Halladay just going out and throwing no hitter against him, right.

2675
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:45,160
Speaker 5: So coach fans are excited. They're about ready to get

2676
02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:47,920
Speaker 5: underway with the podres the Reds later off tonight. The fever,

2677
02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:51,280
Speaker 5: as I'm sure you've talked about all day. This is

2678
02:15:51,320 --> 02:15:53,520
Speaker 5: what's kind of funny this hit yesterday with me and

2679
02:15:53,640 --> 02:15:56,600
Speaker 5: obviously if it involved involves Miles Turner, it's like I'm

2680
02:15:56,640 --> 02:16:00,800
Speaker 5: in his hip pocket. It also involves me. But here's

2681
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:04,280
Speaker 5: what I find funny out of this. Like the stuff

2682
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:06,320
Speaker 5: that the fans are getting bent out of shape about,

2683
02:16:06,720 --> 02:16:09,040
Speaker 5: don't get bent out of shape about be bent out

2684
02:16:09,040 --> 02:16:13,680
Speaker 5: of shape about how he left this organization in search

2685
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:16,800
Speaker 5: of what he said he found was a higher level

2686
02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:21,280
Speaker 5: of competition. I'm mad because of what he said going

2687
02:16:21,320 --> 02:16:23,840
Speaker 5: out the door about his teammates, my favorite team of

2688
02:16:23,880 --> 02:16:25,880
Speaker 5: all time. I don't give a damn what he said

2689
02:16:26,160 --> 02:16:29,120
Speaker 5: or his thoughts about the fans, because he soaked up

2690
02:16:29,200 --> 02:16:32,760
Speaker 5: all that internet dumb assary over the course of his

2691
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:36,720
Speaker 5: nine years here. And this is the grudge holder with

2692
02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:39,720
Speaker 5: a little payback, and he's paying back the organization a

2693
02:16:39,720 --> 02:16:42,600
Speaker 5: little bit too, for always having him in trade rumors

2694
02:16:42,640 --> 02:16:45,240
Speaker 5: and DeAndre ayt Andre and this is all gonna work

2695
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:48,040
Speaker 5: itself out November the third and coming up this year

2696
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:50,480
Speaker 5: because the one thing Miles was doing right now and

2697
02:16:50,520 --> 02:16:52,640
Speaker 5: as much as I liked him in the past, he's

2698
02:16:52,680 --> 02:16:55,720
Speaker 5: basically writing a check that we have seen in the past.

2699
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:57,960
Speaker 5: His ass is not going to be able to cash.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that's what's going to be.

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02:17:00,240 --> 02:17:03,400
Speaker 5: And you know you're gonna run off absolutely everybody in

2702
02:17:03,400 --> 02:17:05,080
Speaker 5: the process. But I'm not mad about the fans. The

2703
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:07,039
Speaker 5: hell with the fans. I'm mad about what he said

2704
02:17:07,040 --> 02:17:08,920
Speaker 5: about his teammates. Here's and I.

2705
02:17:08,920 --> 02:17:11,720
Speaker 1: Thought yesterday when Nieman said, no, I get it. You

2706
02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:13,160
Speaker 1: know I understood, and I said, well, what do you say.

2707
02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that. Okay, John's up next.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with you at noon tomorrow. And I

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening to Quarrying Company.