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Speaker 1: on ninety three to five and one oh seven five

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Speaker 1: is the ban the Yard of Bricks. You'll get to

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Speaker 1: kiss them, Yes you will. Hampus Erickson and Danny Fromall.

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Speaker 2: Fifth win of the season for Wayne Taylor Racing in

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Speaker 2: the pro category and their teammates in Pro Am. How

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Speaker 2: Yard of Bricks? He wins at his home track, the

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Speaker 3: Second win of the season.

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Speaker 4: The cars were great, super quick, but to come home

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Speaker 4: And this great job by by everybody at Wayne Tail

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Speaker 5: Yeah, trying to appreciate in Jackson, of all where places

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Speaker 5: to wing here, you're crossing the line for Chucker flag promotions.

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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I mean I grew up fifteen minutes from here.

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Speaker 5: It's been my dream to win, dear forever, So this

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Speaker 5: means so much to me, and you know, it's it's

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Speaker 5: a testament to the work that team has put in.

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Speaker 5: Just looking at my progression, I feel personally from Road

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Speaker 5: America to now all thanks to its all the hard

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Speaker 5: It's been amazing, Super thankful for the opportunity and grateful

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Speaker 5: we're able to get this result. You know, we did

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Speaker 5: What happens when you get your races with the same

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Hey, Daron, welcome.

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Speaker 3: It's trackside ninety three five one seven five A fan

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Speaker 3: in Indianapolis. That's where Landon Coons is at. I'm Kevin

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Speaker 3: Lee along with Kurt Cavin. We're close enough highlight. It's

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that a lot of our audience is

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Speaker 3: that familiar with Jack Aiken to begin with, who won

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Speaker 3: the overall six hour event the Battle on the Bricks

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Speaker 1: Kurt, I feel more.

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Speaker 3: Of our audience is familiar with young Jackson Lee, who

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Speaker 3: it off and Trent Henman won Race two for a

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Speaker 3: Dezeno from IMS Radio had a lot of tweets that said, hey,

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Speaker 3: We have things to talk about, but we're going to

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Speaker 3: but those are bottom line numbers that do not lie

434
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: in there. They're confronting if that's your team, not to

435
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 3: go down the path.

436
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: Because there's certainly a lot of questions about both organizations

437
00:23:54,640 --> 00:24:00,239
Speaker 1: to some extent, not necessarily negative questions. But you know,

438
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: we have heard some connectivity if you will, between Hunkohs,

439
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: Hollinger and Prema. Does is that become some kind of

440
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: a relationship? Is that just uh Prema being absorbed? Is

441
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: that I don't know what it really means, but you've

442
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: heard a little bit of that chatter. I don't know

443
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: how it benefits Hunkos. I'm not sure that it does.

444
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 3: I'm saying if I'm Unkohs, I would simply wait for

445
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 3: them to fold.

446
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: I wouldn't pay them, no, no, no. If they fold,

447
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: I would be called.

448
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 3: I would be calling all of them right now, all

449
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 3: of their employees that I like if I wanted them,

450
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: and then go to the yard sale to pick up

451
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 3: any extra equipment that we need at the end. But

452
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 3: it's not like they're bringing any commercial partners. It don't

453
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 3: really have any So they and they no longer have

454
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: any money. You know, if they had an investor, if

455
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 3: they had someone that says, well, I can you know,

456
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 3: front seven million dollars year, then we're talking. But it

457
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 3: doesn't sound like they have a whole lot. But yeah,

458
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: that's been discussed, but I've just been unable to grasp

459
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 3: what's in that for Hunko's holling her agreed, agreed. I'm

460
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: just saying that's that's the other marriage of convenience that

461
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: you could conceive.

462
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: Let's put it out.

463
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, short answer to what Chris said, does McLaren need

464
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: a partner to be successful?

465
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: I think no, they do not.

466
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: They were second in the championship this year, they were

467
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 3: best in class and third named Alex Plow second and

468
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 3: fourth fourth. Yeah he's because he had he lost an

469
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 3: engine long guard did in the last race.

470
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: But no, they're very successful and.

471
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 3: They're doing quite fine on their own. I think they

472
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: seek one out if if if you can basically become

473
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 3: a customer program like we see in sports car or

474
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 3: junior car racing, you're selling your services, and you know

475
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 3: how to provide a serve for someone else if they

476
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: feel like they need that and they have enough personnel

477
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: to do that, that's where that would make.

478
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: Some sense for them. Okay, so here's.

479
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: What we have left. So, by the way, what day

480
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: is this? It's September twenty third, and we have a

481
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: dale Coin announcements and he said we'd have.

482
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: Them by Halloween.

483
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 3: So one more. But we're way ahead of the game.

484
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 3: And I saw a lot of comments today. I'm gonna

485
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: miss TBA. You know, TBA had a large fan base,

486
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: had should have had euro cards and should have you know,

487
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: had their their their own merch as well. But don't

488
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: forget his partner. One TBA left.

489
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: Don't forget his partner TBA and TBD, TBBA and TBD.

490
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: So what's left, Well, the other dale Coin racing car

491
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 3: is still TBA, TBD. Uh the David Malucas since our

492
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: last amounts, since our last show, we all kind of

493
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: knew it was going to happen. But yeah, that that's official.

494
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: Nowadays Malucas is in the number twelve. And I think

495
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 3: this was something else after you left. They had posted

496
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 3: the teaser on social media that you know Verizon phone

497
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: call incoming, So all right, we know that's going to

498
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: be Malucas, So that is official that he will be

499
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 3: in the number twelve Verizon car. So now who replaces

500
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: him at Foight we do not know, and there is

501
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: a technically a seat open and who goes Hollinger Racing.

502
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: Connor Daily was on a one year contract. He is

503
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 3: one of the candidates for that. But it may it

504
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: may require budget, it may not. They may want to change.

505
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: We don't know what the plan is there. And Muhammad

506
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 3: asks a weekly question on Renas Vik no new update.

507
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 3: I should just get Mohammed Renus's cell phone number and

508
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 3: maybe Renas will tell him what his plan is. But

509
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: I've heard from many people that Renus is not going

510
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: to fight, and since he left Dale coin Racing and

511
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: said I'm not interested, surely he has something lined up

512
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 3: because Dale wanted him. And I don't think Dennis Hauger

513
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: is taking his place because I was under I've thought

514
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: Slash heard Dennis was going to coin since late August,

515
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: so I think it was going to be Hager and Vik,

516
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: and now that Vik is exited, Grojean and maybe Linas

517
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: Lungquist are in play there, so I have to think

518
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: that Rena's vik is going to who goes houling a racing.

519
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: It just makes all the sense in the world that

520
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: it's just the last I'm not saying it's the last

521
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: place for him, but it honestly kind of is. I don't.

522
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: I hope that doesn't sound derogatory.

523
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: I mean, unless someone gets bounced that is said to

524
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: be under contract, that would be the only thing because

525
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: as we know, contracts are suggestions, and I know there's

526
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: been a lot said about this driver's under contract and

527
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: it's a multi year contract. It's not my contract, so

528
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: it's going to be up to others to confirm all

529
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: of those things. So we think there are three seats open,

530
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: or we know there are three seats minimum three seats

531
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: open at this point, and the drivers in play Connor

532
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: Grojean Lenus, Renus, Jacob Abel, Kyle Collette.

533
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: I would keep.

534
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: Him in mind. How much budget can he raise the

535
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: runner up in Indie Next. Here's what we also don't

536
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: know about aj Foyd. I need someone from the company

537
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: you work for to confirm that they still have a

538
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: partnership with aj Foyd Racing at some point and hopefully

539
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: when a driver is announced that would come along with it.

540
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the case. I get the

541
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: impression there is no more financial support, because that was

542
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: kind of what a lot of this thought that Renus

543
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: Vick might get some support financially, as if Joseph Newgarden

544
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: is in the last year of his contract and you

545
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 3: wanted to try out Renus as an eventual Joseph Newgarden replacement.

546
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't know for certain if Joseph

547
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: is in the last year of his contract coming up.

548
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's one or two years. But

549
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: season finished well. That was one race out of two

550
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: out of seventeen, the first one in the last one

551
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: went well and the rest did not go so well.

552
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: But if things don't massively change, I got to think

553
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: Joseph is going to want to explore what else is

554
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: around there. And that's absurd to leave Team Penske, but

555
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: someone just did it. So now we all know why

556
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: that happened. It's because they didn't make him an offer

557
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: until a week left in the season. Going back to it,

558
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: flight may need budget because Santino Ferucci is pretty much

559
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: a higher driver. He finds some budget, but he's not

560
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: bringing a whole lot, and it might be the same.

561
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: Santino might just have some partners that help pay his salary,

562
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: but I don't know. He might not be giving anything

563
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: to the team, or if he is, it's.

564
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: Not a lot.

565
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: So that's been their sponsorship. And then we think Penske

566
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: funded the Malucas car, so who's funding the four this year?

567
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: So can Kyle Collett raise some money? I'd keep Connor

568
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: Daily in mind there if he is not going to

569
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: be invited back to Hoop Coast, and he still might,

570
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: but if he's not, we know Connor can get the

571
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: job done and can also raise some funding. I don't

572
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: know how much funding Jacob abel has and I'd like

573
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: to see Jacob have another chance. It was a rough

574
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: season two seasons for dale Coin Racing, and if enough

575
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: can be raised that may be needed to keep that

576
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: car on the track. And then what we also don't

577
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: know is who's given up on Formula one and the

578
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: F two budget can be three million dollars, so it

579
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: doesn't take a whole lot more to be able to

580
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: be the driver that has the most budget in hand

581
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: to come to IndyCar to help a program along with

582
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: their other sponsors to make something happen. Do II Lot

583
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: and Schwartzmann get in play for any of the cs

584
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: people are asking. I think it's going to be tough

585
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: unless the teams find their own sponsorship because neither one

586
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: bring budget. They are higher drivers on salary.

587
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't know Kyle Kolet's financial backing. I just don't

588
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: know him well enough. He doesn't. He does not bring

589
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: unlimited budget. He cannot.

590
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: His family wealth is not going to be able to

591
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: get it done. But I asked him about this. I said,

592
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: would you consider Indy Next again? And he said, well,

593
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: I would if it's free, But you know, it's too

594
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: hard to raise the over a million dollars that are needed.

595
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: And I don't and I agree with him. I don't

596
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: feel like it's worth it to go to the trouble

597
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: to raise that. And I said, all right, so it's

598
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: been tough to raise a million, is it going to

599
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: be easier to raise a little more than that for

600
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: Indy Car? And he said, yes, you know, you're just

601
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: selling something different. It's going to be easier to raise

602
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: Now what is that? But I don't get the impression

603
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: that he's going to be able to snap his finger

604
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: and bring six million dollars. But maybe he can, and

605
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: hopefully we see him in a test here sometime soon

606
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: because there is some testing coming up.

607
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: I read that.

608
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 3: Halger is going to be at midd Ohio. I think

609
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: we might see another driver too there. There's a little

610
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: bit of testing that is coming up, and a young

611
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 3: driver can get a chance to show what he can do.

612
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 2: Well.

613
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: I I've got Collette and on my big radar screen

614
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 1: for the freight car. Again, I don't know his his

615
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: financial situation, but I think that makes a lot of sense.

616
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: You know, I heard as you did the Jacob Abel talk.

617
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: That surprised me.

618
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: Honestly, it doesn't surprise me because I don't know what

619
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: budget they brought from Able Construction and the Able Construction partners.

620
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: I think you probably get a pretty good deal with

621
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: dale Coin Racing, So I don't think he was bringing

622
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: six to ten million dollars. So then it's going to

623
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 3: come down to what are they willing to invest because

624
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: it it might require something like.

625
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: That seems like a lot, But I mean it seems

626
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: like a lot for them to do. But you know,

627
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: it's a good program, that's a good seat, it's a

628
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: good seat, and he needs a second chance. I think

629
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: we all agree that.

630
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 3: That's why I thought Renus was going to be there,

631
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 3: because he's the best remaining free agent.

632
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: But that tells me I think you might choose Foight.

633
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: Over hun Goes.

634
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: I might be wrong, though, because I like the program

635
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: at Indy. I think you would at.

636
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 3: But overall, I think who Goes. Hollinger is on the

637
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: right trajectory and he's been there before renas has he.

638
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: He was there and finished second in the Indie Lights Championship,

639
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: so he knows them.

640
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: So hey, who knows?

641
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: You know?

642
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: The thought is last week he's not going to Foight.

643
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: Maybe it all turns around again. And what we don't

644
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: know is what was the plan. What was will Power offered.

645
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 3: There's so many unanswered questions that probably no one is

646
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 3: gonna tell us where they just gonna keep. My guess

647
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: is they were gonna say, David, you're gonna need to

648
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: be patient. You're gonna stay where you're at for another year,

649
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: which is what people like you and me were saying

650
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: all along. I mean, that makes the most sense. They

651
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Speaker 3: just forgot to tell will Power until it was too late.

652
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Speaker 1: Oops.

653
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: And the other thing we don't know is Team Penske. Okay,

654
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: that will found another ride And for Penske Entertainment, this

655
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: is good for the sports because we spread around some

656
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: town and we have a big personality with another team

657
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: where they don't have to worry about as Team Penske.

658
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 3: If he really wants to show his personality and let

659
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: it fly, or are they angry because he didn't work

660
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: on their timeline and they are holding him to his

661
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 3: contracts to the end of the year where they have

662
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: the use of his replacement. You know it's been mentioned, Well,

663
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: wait a minute, you have his replacements. What do you

664
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Speaker 3: need will power for? I think the Penske answer would be,

665
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Speaker 3: we don't want to set the precedence because there may

666
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Speaker 3: become a time where someone leaves in a different fashion

667
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: and we don't want them to be able to take

668
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: us to quarter or something and say you let the

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Speaker 3: last guy out. Why are you're letting this guy? That's

670
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: just my best guess that you just, whether you like

671
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: it or not, you need to be.

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Speaker 1: Consistent. Well, I think, and we touched on this. You

673
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: may have even brought it up, but you know there's

674
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Speaker 1: going to be a task to the Speedway in the

675
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: all next month some point. I don't have the date

676
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: in front of me. And if it was like last year,

677
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: last year each team had one car in that.

678
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: Test, you'd like to have your new driver on it.

679
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: You would, especially if you're Andretti, you'd like to have

680
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: will Power drive that car.

681
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: There's so little to you know. If my first thought

682
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: was it's not that big of a deal, it is

683
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Speaker 3: a big deal.

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00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: It's a deal now, don't I don't think the test

685
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: will be every team this year. I don't think it's

686
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: going to be from just things. I'm breadcrumbs I'm picking up.

687
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to see one car from

688
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: each team. I think you're going to have a reduced field.

689
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: But if Andretti had the choice, they're a Big four team,

690
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: they would want will Power over their other drivers at Indy.

691
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: Maybe not everywhere, but at Indy for sure. All Right,

692
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: more to cover. We'll get to some Twitter questions next.

693
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Speaker 1: On trackside.

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Speaker 3: Hi, this is David Lucas and you're listening to track side.

695
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: Let's go to the xbox.

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00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 3: Via Twitter, Doug Ivy dg Ivy NASCAR fans says, why

697
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 3: did Richmond not make the twenty six IndyCar schedule with

698
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: Richmond down to one NASCAR date, the floodgate should be open.

699
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: Hopefully they finally go back in twenty seven. Well, my

700
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 3: guess is because Richmond wasn't interested in IndyCar and Penske

701
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: Entertainment can only rent and promote so many tracks, right

702
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: or the price point?

703
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: You know, that's always a factor. But I agree with you.

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00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: I'd rather next to Phoenix. Richmond is a place I'd

705
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: most like to see IndyCar return to.

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00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 3: Jeremy Lukoska, is Phoenix Raceway promoting your IndyCar race next year?

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00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 3: Can't find anything on their website about it. I figured

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00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: there'd be some sort of promotion for Omega weekend of

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00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: Phoenix seems off to a sloppy start already. I hadn't

710
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: checked the website. I don't know. I'll just say this,

711
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 3: it's going to be up to IndyCar to promote this.

712
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 3: It's not going to be in NASCAR's They're not worried

713
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Speaker 3: about it.

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00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: They may to some extent, but this is.

715
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Speaker 3: A NASCAR weekend, and you know, hopefully the paddock is

716
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: not across the street. Hopefully it's somewhere on the grounds

717
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: of the facility, but considering at the racetrack that they own,

718
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: they couldn't get use of the garages and had to

719
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 3: be in temporary tense. You know, I'm not optimistic about

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Speaker 3: where we're going to be for that weekend, but I

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Speaker 3: still like it. It is worth it because we needed an

722
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 3: event at that time of year in that weather, and

723
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Speaker 3: we needed another oval. So it's worth it trying. And

724
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Speaker 3: if it goes well and they sell tickets and the

725
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: Cup race rating is higher than NASCAR will say, okay,

726
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: then we can use them. We can use because that

727
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: is somewhat what the IndyCar Race can be, is a

728
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: two hour promotion for the next day's Cup race on Fox.

729
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: It's not what it's all going to be, but it can.

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Speaker 1: Be a little bit of that.

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00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 3: Stephen Pancal asks, we talk a lot about drivers bringing

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00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 3: budget to teams. Why did the small team struggle to

733
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Speaker 3: even find a logo to put on their endplate. It

734
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: seems like cgr Andretti and Penske have sales teams and

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00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: some of the smaller teams have have drivers for that

736
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Speaker 3: or am I missing something?

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00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: No, you're not.

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Speaker 3: No, if you can find a driver that is willing

739
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Speaker 3: to bring the budget and do the work. You save

740
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: money on a sales staff. And I go back to

741
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Speaker 3: the quote that dale Coin has said, probably somewhat joking,

742
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: but in all seriousness, I don't really want to mess

743
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: with sponsors. I'd rather just be more successful with my

744
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: business and pay for it myself. It's easier for me

745
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 3: to be better in business and pay for it myself

746
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 3: than it is to deal with sponsors. There's some entities

747
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Speaker 3: that enjoy the marketing part. I like that. I enjoy

748
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: the challenge of providing a return for partners. And I

749
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Speaker 3: know vass Or Sullivan. Somebody just asked me why are

750
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Speaker 3: they not back because they haven't found the opportunity and

751
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: they're doing well as basically a factory program in sports

752
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: cars with Lexus. That was their path back. Had Toyota

753
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 3: as was I think close a couple of years ago

754
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: coming and joining as an engine manufacturer, I believe Vassar

755
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: Sullivan would have been the flagship team, maybe in partnership

756
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: with someone else, but they would have come back. I've

757
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: not heard anything on the front lines anytime in the

758
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 3: near future on that, but you know, it's hard servicing

759
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: sponsors and making sure that they receive enough return, and

760
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: some teams really go after it, and some teams say,

761
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: you know what, We're always going to be able to

762
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: find some drivers with some budget. So yeah, Lynn drive

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Speaker 3: for seven, I says, I'm going to miss my favorite tradition.

764
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: Eighteen TBA and fifty one TBA. You're right though, one

765
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: is TBD, one is a TBA and one is a TBD.

766
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Speaker 3: And we talked about Mohammad's todd and Phoenix asked, how

767
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: about a court update? Is there a trial date for

768
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: the Alex Pulo versus McLaren contract dispute, any update on

769
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 3: charges stemming from the FBI rate at rll Nathan Brown

770
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 3: of the Indianapolis Star is your court reporter. He has

771
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: time to dig into those things and has sources. I

772
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: do not, but I believe I've heard that we think

773
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 3: something on the PLO McLaren might go late this month,

774
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 3: and that's maybe why pul cannot run the sports car finale.

775
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 3: And the employee that was in the middle of this,

776
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: I believe it was working in the paddock this year.

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00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure there's anything to that FBI rate.

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00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 3: I've heard nothing more.

779
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: About that, and the employee in question.

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00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 3: I believe was working for another team this year, so

781
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 3: that would tell me he's not in jail. And maybe

782
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: there was nothing that authorities may have said, Yeah, you'll

783
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: work this out amongst yourselves. We got more important things

784
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: than whether somebody is stealing engineering information on this.

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00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: All right, well see what we missed. Com back up

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00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: next on track side. Hi, this is Rene Speak and

787
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Speaker 1: you're listening to trex side.

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00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: Okay, final segment and what we missed. We started the

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Speaker 3: show with the highlight with Ryan Marine and Brian till

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00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 3: of Jackson's win one of his wins at the Indianapolis

791
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 3: Motor Speedway and Lamborghini Super Trafail with Wayne Taylor racing

792
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: on Friday and then again on Saturday. I didn't want

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00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 3: to get too much into it, but if you really

794
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: interested some more to tail. All was cool about this? Well, one,

795
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: it's winning at Indy, and two it's class racing their

796
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: four classes. He's in the second highest class, the pro

797
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: am class, So they won that by like forty seconds,

798
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 3: but they finished second overall, so that's what's really cool.

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00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: Jackson was the second driver. Trent Heyman gave him a

800
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: little bit of a cushion and then Jackson kept the

801
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 3: pro drivers who were right behind behind the entire time

802
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: had really quick laps, and then in race two didn't

803
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: get to stay in a lot because of a really

804
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: scary fire at the beginning, so he mostly ran behind

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Speaker 3: the safety car, lost the lead from poll at the beginning.

806
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: We had all told him the team, did you just

807
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 3: have to get through the first lap because you guys

808
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: are faster than everyone. So he was really conservative, gave

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00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: up the lead and then got it back on the

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Speaker 3: one lap after the restart that he ran, and then

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Speaker 3: Trent Hinman finished it off. So one, two, four, Wayne

812
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 3: Taylor racing really cool, working on getting to the world

813
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: finals in Italy, and early November Jackson actually goes to

814
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: and this is here's the IndyCar tie. I read that,

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Speaker 3: I think in Racer that Christian Lungard tested at what

816
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: used to be the Miller Motorsports Park is now called

817
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: the Utah Motorsports Campus. Apparently pretty cool track. But in

818
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: case IndyCar, we're to go to Mexico City or Denver,

819
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: you got to deal with the elevation. So apparently he

820
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 3: tested there with McLaren. Recently, Jackson is doing a couple

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Speaker 3: of endurance races this weekend in the World Racing League.

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Speaker 3: You could find a YouTube stream.

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Speaker 1: If you would.

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Speaker 3: The reality is they don't really have much of an

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Speaker 3: entry list to know what driver is in the car

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Speaker 3: eight hour and seven hour races on Saturday and Sunday.

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Speaker 3: We'll tell you how they did coming up next week,

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Speaker 3: and we'll get to the tweets that we missed a

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Speaker 3: couple of good questions next Tuesday night at seven. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for joining us track side ninety three to five and

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Speaker 3: one oh seven five The Fan