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Speaker 1: Live from Vaal Hartber and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: When Joe Biden got elected or whatever happened, oh, I know,

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Speaker 2: send your emails whatever.

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Speaker 1: I said at the time that I had a real.

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Speaker 2: Concern that these people were going to bring back the

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Speaker 2: fairness doctrine, the idea that broadcasts have to show both

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Speaker 2: sides equally. I don't want the fairness doctrine. It's an

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Speaker 2: affront to free speech. And honestly, there aren't enough Democrats

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Speaker 2: to actually be able to interview, and I have no

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Speaker 2: plan of putting Marxists on the air, so it might

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Speaker 2: be very very very damaging. Okay, I don't do interviews

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Speaker 2: like other people do interviews.

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Speaker 1: I do very very few of them.

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Speaker 2: But still I don't want that stuff, not in the slightest.

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Speaker 1: And now it.

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Speaker 2: Turns out that Republicans are going to move down in

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Speaker 2: this way, head in this direction because they are not

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Speaker 2: smart enough to keep their dad mouse closed. Tony Katz,

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats today, Good to be here, Good to be

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 1: It's not your radio.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the cold came back. I think

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Speaker 2: it's allergies. And if you have allergies, a lot of

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Speaker 2: people talk about the honey and the bee pollen and whatever.

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Speaker 2: It's in the nose, it's in the head, it's in

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Speaker 2: the ears. My ears are clocked, super weird. I've had

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Speaker 2: allergies before, not like this. This is all sorts of new,

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Speaker 2: this whole thing with.

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Speaker 1: The so anyway, it's it's not you, it's me. Your

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Speaker 1: radio's fine.

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Speaker 2: This whole thing starts with Stephen Colbert because there was

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Speaker 2: this nonsense story that Trump administration said we're gonna come

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Speaker 2: after you. What are they going after about? Well, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna have James tall Rico on the show. Who's James

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Speaker 2: tall Rico. He's a Democrat running for Senate in Texas.

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Speaker 2: He's a guy who says that the Bible says clearly

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Speaker 2: that abortion is good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he is a.

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Speaker 2: Radical progressive as well, all they all are. And he

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Speaker 2: was supposed to be on Stephen Colbert's show on CBS,

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Speaker 2: the one that's going to end this year. Well it

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Speaker 2: turns out they did not air it, and they put

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Speaker 2: it on on the YouTube. They didn't air it on

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Speaker 2: CBS because of equal time. And you're like, what, because

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Speaker 2: he doesn't know enough Republicans on No, No, no. It

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Speaker 2: turns out that it's because you would have to then

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Speaker 2: give time to people like Jasmine Crockett, who was also

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Speaker 2: running for Senate. They're in in Texas. But this really

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Speaker 2: starts from a conversation that Brendan Carr had, who runs

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Speaker 2: the FCC, about the idea of equal time. And at

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Speaker 2: the time, I said, what are you doing? Why are

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Speaker 2: we talking about this? So the story is is that, uh,

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Speaker 2: tell Rico, he was making all these claims, Oh, this

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Speaker 2: is the interview that the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: Didn't want you to see. No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: This was CBS that took this concept of the fairness

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Speaker 2: doctrine an equal time very very seriously and said, you

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Speaker 2: can't have him on the air. If you're not going

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Speaker 1: According to Colbert, CBS.

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Speaker 2: Release a statement about the poll James tell Errico interview

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Speaker 2: quote without ever talking to me, and he followed it

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Speaker 2: up with, I really don't want an adversarial relationship with

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Speaker 2: the network. You don't have an adversarial relationship with the network.

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Speaker 2: You're just biding your time and getting paid millions. You

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Speaker 1: Forget you. All you had to do was not hate

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Speaker 1: half the audience. That's all you had to do.

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Speaker 2: If I had a television show, a late night show,

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Speaker 2: would I have Democrats on. I would have entertainers on.

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Speaker 2: I'd have musicians on. If we disagreed about politics, that

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Speaker 2: would be fine. But I would absolutely have these people on,

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Speaker 2: no question about it. The more app to go on

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to be told I have to

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Speaker 2: CBS said is that the attorneys warned that airing the

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Speaker 2: interview would trigger the equal time rule. Now critics say

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Speaker 1: I'm one of them.

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Speaker 2: This is an absolutely terrible, terrible idea. Now never mind

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Speaker 2: the taller Rico. I think this is how you pronounce

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Speaker 2: all that jazz. He has a very very peak booterha

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Speaker 1: Oh, I can't stand it. There's nothing.

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Speaker 2: There's just nothing neighborly about that, dude. That's just absolutely zero.

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Speaker 2: And so he's trying to make this big deal that

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Speaker 2: it's about Trump. It was never about Trump, per se.

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Speaker 2: Trump didn't make this happen. Trump didn't say you can't

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Speaker 2: air that. None of that happened. But yes, there's been

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Speaker 2: this conversation about equal time and the fairness doctrine. I

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Speaker 2: want you to understand how terrible this all is and

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Speaker 2: how insane Republicans are if they think that this is

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Speaker 2: the way, This is not the way. If CBS wants

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Speaker 2: to put trash on their network all night long, let them.

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Speaker 2: What should happen is people don't watch and they go

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Speaker 2: out of business. The market has spoken. Now one could say, well, Tony,

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Speaker 2: these are the public airwaves, and there is a responsibility.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the public airwaves. There's an issue here, and

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Speaker 2: the issue is now, I'm going to be told that

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Speaker 2: I can't interview some senator because I'm not interviewing some

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Speaker 2: other senator. If I interview one senator from Oklahoma right

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Speaker 1: If I have Mark Wayemullan on the show, now I

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Speaker 2: That right, that's the equal time. What if only one

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Speaker 2: I can't have the one that's available because the other one,

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Speaker 2: even though they're unavailable, I have to give them both time.

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Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to the interview of either one. They

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Speaker 1: That is not the point.

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Speaker 2: And can some Democrat in state government in Oklahom let's say, hey,

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Speaker 2: this show has on these two Republican senators. They have

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Speaker 2: Now people are upset with CBS for falling in line.

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Speaker 2: They're upset with CBS for saying, whoa this could create

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Speaker 2: I do have stations that do concern themselves with equal time.

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Speaker 1: They need to know who's going to be on and when,

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Speaker 2: I've never been told by my home station in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: Ever, I'm the guidance. I decide, and if I can't decide, well,

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Speaker 1: and then this whole thing ain't worth doing.

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Speaker 2: Now, this might be easier for me because I really

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Speaker 1: It's like, how how do you not do this?

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Speaker 2: Because you guys know that there are shows out there

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Speaker 2: that they do two interviews an hour. Listen, everybody does

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Speaker 2: what they do, right, Maybe I'd be more connected if

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Speaker 2: I did more interviews. I don't know, but I figure

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Speaker 2: we've got things to talk about. Not everything requires an interview.

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Speaker 2: We can talk about them. But I don't want this.

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Speaker 1: I want them to decide. Now.

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Speaker 2: CBS has got its own issues, and they're worried about

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of things. So they not only lawsuits

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Speaker 2: be most engaging to the audience. Now, is a guy

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Speaker 2: running for Senate in Texas engaging to the audience. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: It's an inkind political contribution. And that's the reason to

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Speaker 2: be opposed to it. If Stephen Colbert had on the

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Speaker 2: senator from Texas, either John Corner or Ted Cruz. Okay,

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Speaker 2: they're the actual senator, but candidates, sorry about that. Candidates, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: ask yourself why Colbert is doing this to begin with.

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Speaker 2: It's an in kind campaign contribution. Of course it's wrong,

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Speaker 2: And of course Colbert is not a guy who's interested

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Speaker 1: It's disgusting. Stephen is gross.

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Speaker 2: Now there's another story about who Steven is married to,

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Speaker 2: Redistricting, right, and there's all these kinds of stories that

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Speaker 1: I don't follow this stuff like that. I am.

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Speaker 2: If somebody wants to go sleuthing and play connect the

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Speaker 2: You know, there's people who are totally into that that

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Speaker 2: we should be perfectly clear that Stephen Colbert is not

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Speaker 2: anybody wants to debate that, including Stephen Colbert, more than

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Speaker 1: That's what he is.

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Speaker 2: He has an apparatus and offshoot and arm a vestige

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Speaker 1: To take on whoever it is you can take on.

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Speaker 2: In this case, somebody, it was Cordon, and Cordon's got

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Speaker 2: I haven't checked every bit of data, but my gut,

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Speaker 2: of primary. You think you think we're gonna see a

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Speaker 2: lot of those interviews from from Colbert or Kimmel. Of

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Speaker 2: course not. If you want to talk to politicals, you're

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Speaker 2: only talking to left leading politicos.

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Speaker 1: Well talk radio in the main is only talking to

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Speaker 1: right leaning politicals. It's true. It's true.

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Speaker 2: a left leaning political I understand.

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Speaker 1: I have no issue with it.

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Speaker 2: Who the only guy the two guys right now that

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Speaker 2: We should not want this. I'm Tony Katz. This is

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. So six skiers are missing. No, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Why would anybody do this? Why would anybody want to

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Speaker 2: important delineation. I'm Tony Katz, this is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 2: Right. We talk about the hard edge political, we talk

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Speaker 2: Why is anybody talking about this? This is MS now

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Speaker 1: This is a bad show.

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Speaker 2: Everything you're about to say from here on out, you

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Speaker 2: Which one do you think is going to be more

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Speaker 2: connecting to young men and young people in America arrest.

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Speaker 1: My case, the anger here is that this is actually

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Speaker 1: a pretty good video. You want to connect? Do I

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Speaker 1: like it? I don't really care about it.

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Speaker 2: I want my cabinet secretaries to be cabinet secretaries. There

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Speaker 2: are some things I don't think you should be doing.

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Speaker 2: But dear lord, even Nixon did laugh in. These things

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Speaker 2: happen throughout history. It's a moment, and RFK is connecting.

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Speaker 2: No democrat can connect, and so of course because of that,

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Speaker 2: it has to be mocked. I think you could argue, dude,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's what the jeans in the water.

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Speaker 2: What are you getting into an ice plunge in jeans for?

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Speaker 1: That's weird? But listen to this first he's first.

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Speaker 2: First he's sitting in in feces, feces.

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Speaker 1: Like water, uh, in the park, and and now in

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Speaker 1: ice bath. Let me tell you I kind of done.

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Speaker 1: I've done ice baths. Look at this.

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Speaker 2: This Vladimir Putin's like like win a retreat, but again

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Speaker 2: the wranglers and a cold plunge, and then this.

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Speaker 1: Is the hot tub is oh god, I don't.

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Speaker 2: If you wanted to sound more beta male, Joe Scarborough,

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Speaker 2: you couldn't do it. Joe could not sound more beta

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Speaker 2: male if he tried everything they just said there, None

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Speaker 2: of it matters, None of it. Do I think that

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Speaker 2: I'm being way too easy on RFK? What's the purpose

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Speaker 2: of this video? Oh?

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Speaker 1: You could have lived without the video.

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Speaker 2: But the response to the video signals We've got nothing

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Speaker 2: that can compete with this.

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Speaker 1: We have no one who can match this. We don't

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Speaker 1: have any men on our side.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, our side is still trying

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Speaker 2: to engage the same old, same old in these conversations

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Speaker 2: that somehow Donald Trump is the biggest threat the world

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Speaker 2: has ever ever ever seen.

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Speaker 1: This was CBS News this morning.

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Speaker 4: If we don't recognize each other as of equal dignity,

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Speaker 4: if we don't see each other as those who stand

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Speaker 4: equally before God and the law, then the covenant.

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Speaker 1: That is America falls apart.

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Speaker 4: If I'm able to think of you as lesser than

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Speaker 4: then I don't have to cored you the full protections

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Speaker 4: of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, John Meacham, John Meacham, the historian.

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Speaker 2: So is where are you in CBS Morning News to

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Speaker 2: say it's wrong to call people you disagree with Nazis.

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Speaker 2: Nazis were part of the German military machine and were

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Speaker 2: responsible for the wholesale slaughter of Jews.

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Speaker 1: Never mind the.

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Speaker 2: Destruction of lives across Germany, across Europe and the killing

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Speaker 2: of millions. Where are you to say, Hey, just because

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Speaker 2: you disagree with somebody doesn't mean you can call him

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Speaker 2: a Nazi.

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Speaker 1: Let's see if he does.

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Speaker 4: And when you have that kind of division. The notion

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Speaker 4: the animating force of a country based on the ideal

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Speaker 4: of the Declaration of Independence, which Lincoln elevated at Gettysburg,

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Speaker 4: we are dedicated.

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Speaker 1: To the proposition that all men are created equal. He

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Speaker 1: didn't talk about the Constitution.

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Speaker 4: He went back to the Declaration, a piece of American scripture.

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Speaker 4: If that is not obeyed and applied, then chaos results.

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Speaker 1: I like there's a.

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Speaker 5: Line in the book where you talk about James Madison

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Speaker 5: who says it's vain to say that enlightened statesmen will

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Speaker 5: be able to adjust those classing interests to the public good.

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Speaker 5: Makes me think of our Congress. But these enlightened statesmen

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Speaker 5: will not always be at the helm.

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Speaker 1: What can we in that? Good lad, Yes, what can

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Speaker 1: we learn from that? Because it seems very similar to

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Speaker 1: what's going on today.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, if the founders would have been surprised.

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Speaker 1: I think that it took this long.

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Speaker 5: For really, really what for what for there to be.

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Speaker 4: An authoritarian galloping at the highest level?

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Speaker 2: That it took what authoritarian galloping? What fear monitoring scare tactic?

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Speaker 2: Is this what authoritarian courts say? He's not allowed to

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Speaker 2: engage in these this deportation, he has to return this person.

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Speaker 2: He can't do this, he can't do that. He fights

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Speaker 2: it in the courts, but he does it. How is

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Speaker 2: that authoritarian? They don't stop. So here is John Meechum,

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Speaker 2: the historian, playing the game of the intellectual, pretending and

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Speaker 2: lying to the audience, lying completely and dehumanizing Trump and

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Speaker 2: anybody who would support him.

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Speaker 1: So he thinks it's wrong to do that, and then

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Speaker 1: he goes about doing that.

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Speaker 2: I can say without any hesitation that Representative Alexandria Casio

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Speaker 2: Cortez is a Marxist and she believes in Marxism and

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Speaker 2: is supporting Marxism. I can say this about zoronmom Donnie.

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Speaker 2: I can say this about a host of Democrats, and

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Speaker 2: then I can quote them. I can show my work

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Speaker 2: just like I can When you say Trump's an authoritarian,

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Speaker 2: I say absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: What about this, this, this.

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Speaker 2: And this? I prove the argument false with data, with facts,

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Speaker 2: with logic, with reason, same way I can prove it

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Speaker 2: an argument true.

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Speaker 1: What authoritarian thing are you talking about here? What authoritarianism?

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Speaker 2: I was told that Democrats won and Trump capitulated in

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Speaker 2: Minneapolis because he's withdrawing ice. Does the authoritarian withdraw his

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Speaker 2: law enforcement forces? Does the authoritarian withdraw anything like that?

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Speaker 2: And the answer is, of course not. So what are

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Speaker 2: we talking about? How can two things be at the

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Speaker 2: same time. He's withdrawing, but he's an authoritarian. He's listening

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Speaker 2: to the courts, but he's an authoritarian. He can't make

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Speaker 2: moves on reopening the Department of Homeland Security without Congress

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Speaker 2: passing a budget, but he's an authoritarian.

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Speaker 1: These two things don't jive.

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Speaker 2: This argument made today while we have a shutdown of

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Speaker 2: the Department of Homeland Security, proves that John Meacham is

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Speaker 2: lying and is a liar, is a fraud, and should

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Speaker 2: not be thought of in any type of esteem or regard.

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Speaker 1: That's how it's done, guys.

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Speaker 2: I do not owe John Meetrim because he's a historian,

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Speaker 2: a damn thing.

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Speaker 1: I owe him no cunningness.

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Speaker 2: When he lies, it is I believe our job to

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Speaker 2: tear his argument asunder and to render him impotent. He

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Speaker 2: should be embarrassed and ashamed for being so weak and

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Speaker 2: so cowardly and so pseudo intellectual. Don't come at us

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Speaker 2: with that weak stuff. We do this for a living.

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Speaker 2: We suss out the stupid people over there at CBS

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Speaker 2: Morning News like it's our job. And John meetrim top

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Speaker 2: of the heap. Trump's an authoritarian but can't get the

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Speaker 2: Department of Homeland Security open.

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Speaker 1: I mean, case rested. There's nothing else that has to

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Speaker 1: be said. But this is how they talk.

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Speaker 2: They're elitist because they mock a video made by RFK

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Speaker 2: when the reality is that video will connect that here's

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Speaker 2: a guy who's in shape. Here's a guy who is

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Speaker 2: understanding that we have to do away with processed foods,

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Speaker 2: bringing on the whole foods. We will lead healthier, stronger lives.

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Speaker 2: And hey, here is a symbol of masculinity for you.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: He's doing the workout with Kid Rock, who's a he's

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Speaker 2: a little pasty.

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Speaker 1: This is me saying that, right, But he's not like a.

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Speaker 2: Jacked guy by any stretch of the imagination.

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Speaker 1: But here they are working out and.

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Speaker 2: Eating well, and then they're taking a cold plunge, and

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Speaker 2: then there's a hot tub.

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Speaker 1: Admittedly it's weird, but it's a workout.

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Speaker 2: And here he is supporting workouts and trying to inspire

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Speaker 2: people to get healthy.

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with that?

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Speaker 2: What's wrong with when Biden was in office that we

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Speaker 2: had HHS. You gave us Admiral Levine a man pretending

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Speaker 2: to be a woman, which one better connects and shows

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Speaker 2: a healthier America? Again and Case rested and asked for Meacham, Well,

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Speaker 2: what do you expect? What do you expect? Hey, Barry Weiss,

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Speaker 2: your morning news product is not very good.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: More and more people upset with mom, Donnie and the

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Speaker 2: tax hikes. And what were you expecting from the socialist

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Speaker 2: Islamist mayor of New York?

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz?

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: You've got zarnmm Donnie, Sorry I forgot his name for

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Speaker 1: a second.

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Speaker 2: He wants to fix the situation in New York.

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Speaker 1: So what is his plan?

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Speaker 2: Well, if the governor doesn't move, he's going to engage

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Speaker 2: a property tax hike, and you are now going to

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Speaker 2: see taxes go up ten percent on New Yorkers.

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Speaker 1: What do you want from me? Why in the world.

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Speaker 2: Would I spend any time at all thinking of these people.

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Speaker 1: Let me say this another way. They bought their tickets.

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Speaker 1: They knew what they were getting into. I say, let

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Speaker 1: them crash.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly one hundred and fifty percent. They did this,

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Speaker 2: They knew what was coming. He's going after the rainy

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Speaker 2: day fund, he's going after pension funds, and has got noted.

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Speaker 2: The budget for New York right now one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty seven billion dollars and the budget for Florida one

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen billion. So it's one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: seven billion dollar budget for eight million people versus one

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen billion dollar budget for twenty three million people.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference between Florida and New York. That's the

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Speaker 1: difference between good governance and bad governance.

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Speaker 2: That alone should win you the midterms, and these comedies

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Speaker 2: won't stop coming.

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Speaker 1: Everything will be better if you just paid your fair share.

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Speaker 1: Don't let them win office.

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Speaker 2: Find everything at tony kats dot com tomorrow everyone can

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Speaker 2: take care