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Speaker 1: No, there's a lot going on on down the street

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Speaker 2: Actually redistricting, huh, full force.

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Speaker 3: And now there's all sorts of people resigning. Yeah, all

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Speaker 3: sorts of things happening with redistricting and because of redistricting.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to the bottom of all of it. One

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Speaker 3: of the best in the business, Joins is now from

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Speaker 3: the Indiana Capitol, chronicled Nikki Kelly.

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Speaker 4: Hello, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the House is what are they voting today

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Speaker 3: or tomorrow on redistricting? Do we know the schedule?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're doing second reading amendments today, so we're kind

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Speaker 4: of waiting to see what amendments have been filed and

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Speaker 4: we'll be discussed and passed or defeated, and then they'll

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Speaker 4: have a final vote in the House tomorrow. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering about that amendments.

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Speaker 2: So you're not sure if there are any or what

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there will be. None are posted, yet they

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Speaker 4: usually post them. I think you're required to file them

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Speaker 3: So nobody reads any of this stuff. Then there's no

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Speaker 3: way you could read it and process it and do

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Speaker 3: the full vetting. They just throw it.

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Speaker 2: They have the second reading.

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Speaker 3: Okay, just am I wrong on that? Like they get

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean as they're coming in. Usually the staffs

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Speaker 4: create like Amendment seven does this. Then there'll be a

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Speaker 4: summary kind of thing, and so that usually because the

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Speaker 4: attorneys can see them. It's just that the public can't

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Speaker 3: Well right, sorry, Okay, So do you have a theory

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Speaker 3: it's like, it's so different. Do you're at the state

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Speaker 3: House all the time? Nobody knows these people better than you.

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Speaker 3: Why are they viewing this so different currently?

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Speaker 4: I think part of it is just the nature of

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Speaker 4: lot of them are younger and more tied to the

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Speaker 3: Do you have a feeling the House seems pretty clear

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Speaker 3: they're going to vote to approve this new map? Do

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Speaker 4: It's really a complete, you know, coin flip. At this point,

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Speaker 4: they only need twenty five because they have Micah beck

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Speaker 4: With lieutenant governor, who can vote. But even if one

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Speaker 4: his vote doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: The best thing for humanity on any topic would be

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Speaker 2: So maybe that would maybe that would work out well

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Speaker 3: Okay, so there were Nicky Keller from the Capitol Chronicle

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Speaker 2: It goes forward.

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Speaker 4: I think they're having conversations, but I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: Do you think that this bill will get out of

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's going to be tight, and it kind of

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Speaker 4: It's kind of fun for her, I mean a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean if I got to work in December, at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Nikki Kelly from the Capital Chronicles are in the

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Speaker 3: CAVI Chronicles our guests. So the guy who carried the

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Speaker 3: bill Smalls into house admitted, Yeah, this is purely political

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Speaker 2: But there's there's legally they're they're.

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Speaker 4: Doing that, right, Yeah, the US Supreme Court has recently

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Speaker 4: That's what we're doing. Obviously, if there's going to be

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Speaker 3: Uh, okay, before we let you go some non redistricting stuff.

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Speaker 3: This thing got a lot of traction that Danny Lopez,

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Speaker 3: he is a state rep from with a Carmel area, right,

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Speaker 3: he introduced a bill that would change how lieutenant governors

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Speaker 3: from the convention delegates giving them to the governor. This

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Speaker 3: Does this bill have a chance to move forward or

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Speaker 3: is it was this just like I'm doing this to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's got a shot. I think a

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Speaker 4: similar bill was introduced last year as well. So you know,

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Speaker 4: a lot of people were bothered by the that the

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Speaker 2: Especially the governor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, I think it's I think it's

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Speaker 4: got a fair shot.

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Speaker 2: Did you want to ask her about Senator Kyle Walker.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I was gonna get you out of here

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Speaker 3: on on this. There have been now multiple people in

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Speaker 3: some way tied to the ridiculous threats they've been getting

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Speaker 3: over redistricting. Kyle Walker is the newest one. Now he's

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Speaker 3: fascinating because he's what business partners with Marty orps. Who

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Speaker 3: is the fair maps guy? Who's the pro redistricting? He's

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Speaker 3: Kyle Walker's come out against redistricts.

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Speaker 2: What's that not anymore?

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Speaker 4: He has resigned from most strategies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is like a fascinating story. I mean,

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Speaker 3: so just real quick while we got Nick on the phone.

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Speaker 3: So Kyle Walker's state Senator Fisher's area I believe northern

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Speaker 3: part of Marion County and he's also was you're right, Nikki,

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Speaker 3: thank you business partners with Marty Orbs. So I had

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Speaker 2: Who's the fair maps guy? And right, you're right?

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Speaker 3: He just he announced only was he not running for

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Speaker 3: reelection to the Senate Kyle Walker.

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Speaker 1: But he stepped down from M strategies.

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Speaker 4: Yep. That came late yesterday. Bit of a surprise. Now,

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Speaker 4: some of the other people who would who had already

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Speaker 4: of heat it up. But this one is obviously right

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Speaker 4: in the you know, the middle of it, and it's

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Speaker 4: hard not to see that it might be related.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we asked, well, I was gonna say, we ask

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Speaker 3: all of our media friends this, and we ask you.

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Speaker 3: We've asked you this for many weeks. Now next week

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Speaker 3: we may know by the time we talk will there

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Speaker 3: be a vote on redistricting in the Senate, and if so,

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Speaker 3: what will it be.

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Speaker 4: I think there will be a vote, but I honestly

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Speaker 4: cannot tell you what it'll be. I think either way

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a one to two vote margin,

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Speaker 4: but it could go either way.

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Speaker 3: All right, Very good, Nikki Kelly, Indiana Capitol Chronicle dot com.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Kentle and Casey on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Nikki,