Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome everyone to a new episode of The Frames per
Speaker 2: Second Podcast. My name is Convenience, joining me on the show.
Speaker 2: I got Rod and Spike here Man here. We just
Speaker 2: uh we actually just did a review. I think this
Speaker 2: will definitely be coming out later than that. I believe
Speaker 2: I have to check the schedule.
Speaker 1: Of the movie Him, so you guys check that out.
Speaker 2: That movie is basically about football culture, sports culture.
Speaker 1: Uh turned told uh in almost like a horror package,
Speaker 1: very abstractly.
Speaker 2: But one thing about the movie, Rod, is that it
Speaker 2: was really talking about ghats. H We're talking about one
Speaker 2: of the ghosts in this movie. Yes, talk about one
Speaker 2: of the Ghats. We gotta talk about Washington Man. And
Speaker 2: you know they'd be trying to talk down on the
Speaker 2: brother Denzel and this, that and the other, like this
Speaker 2: man ain't one of the best to ever do it.
Speaker 2: We ain't gonna stand for a Spike.
Speaker 3: No, we can't.
Speaker 1: We ain't let talk about it. But that's the reason
Speaker 1: why Mike isn't here now. Mike is out this week.
Speaker 1: I hope you haven't having a good time, brother, but definitely.
Speaker 2: In The Blue Dress Man, released in nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 2: it was written and directed by Carl Franklin, based on
Speaker 2: Walter Mosley's nineteen ninety novel. It features Denzel Washington who
Speaker 2: stars as Easy Rawlins, Don Chetoh as Mouse, Jennifer Bills
Speaker 2: as Daphne, and Tom Sizemore as Alright.
Speaker 1: It received positive.
Speaker 2: Reviews at the time for is noir styles, social commentary,
Speaker 2: and performances. And then it's set in nineteen forty eight
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, exploring race, politics, and corruption through.
Speaker 1: The new orlens. So we'll get into an over overall
Speaker 1: discussion of kind.
Speaker 2: Of the movie. Uh, and uh, lets see what we
Speaker 2: think about it. So we're never gonna start at the beginning,
Speaker 2: but first let's uh get our initial thoughts. Well, I
Speaker 2: don't know if initial thoughts would be the way to go,
Speaker 2: but I guess my question would be, did you guys
Speaker 2: watch this way back.
Speaker 1: In the day?
Speaker 3: I did watch you way back in the day, and
Speaker 3: I don't know why until I watched it again before
Speaker 3: I review this. I don't know why I used to
Speaker 3: think this was a Spike Lee movie.
Speaker 2: I mean, because the same things Spike how did wasn't it?
Speaker 2: Halfway through the movie I was I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: this ain't Spike I've seen it.
Speaker 3: When it came on, it was like directed but I
Speaker 3: was like, wait.
Speaker 2: I didn't even see directed by because I was setting
Speaker 2: up and I was walking around getting snacks and ship watch,
Speaker 2: so I missed all of the bro in the beginning.
Speaker 3: All my life, I thought this was a Spike Lee movie.
Speaker 3: And I was like, damn.
Speaker 1: But the Denzel movie Spike is in. Is it Moba Blues?
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the That's why you think that because it's
Speaker 4: not around the same time, but it's nineties. Yeah, more
Speaker 4: better blues came out before this in the not in
Speaker 4: like in ninety, like nineteen ninety or whatever. So I've
Speaker 4: always when I when I hear one or the other,
Speaker 4: I always have them both in my head.
Speaker 5: I never can remember which one is which.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. That's why I never knew this wasn't spikely movie.
Speaker 3: But to that point, I love this. I thought this
Speaker 3: was great. I remember liking it back in the day,
Speaker 3: but even watching it this time around, it was even
Speaker 3: better to me, Like I feel like this is this
Speaker 3: hell did a great job, Like the storytelling and acting
Speaker 3: was good. It was like a like noar, I think
Speaker 3: that's a genre that they call it. I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel like you should do more with black leads
Speaker 3: and that I even feel like this could be remade,
Speaker 3: like they could do the same thing, but it didn't
Speaker 3: have to. Like this was made in the nineties, but
Speaker 3: it was set in what nineteen forty eight? You said
Speaker 3: they could make this now have it like set in
Speaker 3: the eighties and nineties, And I think it would be
Speaker 3: good as well, as long as you had a good actor.
Speaker 3: It's like developing the story more around the time period
Speaker 3: and like how people interact from in the difference in
Speaker 3: the eighties and nineties than they do today, and tell
Speaker 3: that story in the same type of way, same in
Speaker 3: And I think you could do the same thing. I
Speaker 3: think that's how good this holds up. But I was
Speaker 3: very entertained, phone not in hand, just watching it, Like
Speaker 3: the first time I seen it. I loved this movie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I saw it back. I saw it back in the day.
Speaker 4: I don't remember why I saw it either, probably just
Speaker 4: because it was Denzel and I'm sure my mom or
Speaker 4: whoever had rented it and I watched it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I want to say I was in going to high school,
Speaker 3: maybe in college.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was in high school. If you was
Speaker 4: in college, I was in high school. I think I
Speaker 4: rented this from Blockbuster.
Speaker 3: Yeah I didn't. We had it and then and yeah
Speaker 3: I saw it.
Speaker 4: The one thing I remember, the thing that stood out
Speaker 4: the most of me was when she was like, you
Speaker 4: hit my spot, you hit my spot. So that's the
Speaker 4: one thing I remember about this movie at the age
Speaker 4: that I watched it.
Speaker 3: For a while.
Speaker 4: See, Like, I was like, that's the one thing that
Speaker 4: stood out. I was like, is that is this that movie?
Speaker 4: I couldn't remember if it was this one A more
Speaker 4: bit of Blues. I couldn't remember which one it was in,
Speaker 4: but I knew it was in one of them. I
Speaker 4: was like, yep, this the one. This the one I
Speaker 4: was waiting for that.
Speaker 1: I was so concerned, wake up. That ship is crazy.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 4: And as a young young man, you know, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like that shit was was crazy.
Speaker 3: She was wild.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but nah, yeah, I thought it was always
Speaker 4: a solid film.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 4: It's not something I was into it that at that
Speaker 4: age or whatever, and watching it now I have much more,
Speaker 4: much more of an appreciation for it. Definitely, So I
Speaker 4: think it's a solid film. I'm not like crazy about oh,
Speaker 4: you gotta see Devil in the Blue Dress, because I
Speaker 4: don't even think I picked that one when they when
Speaker 4: Jayleen was saying, yo, what's your top three or whatever,
Speaker 4: I didn't pick this one in particular. So, but no,
Speaker 4: it's it's it holds up. I think it definitely holds up, Spider,
Speaker 4: it definitely holds up. It can even be like I said, recreated,
Speaker 4: I think it's solid story.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And going back to Correca, she was even teasing
Speaker 2: him to like, you know, that's good enough.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna stop. He was like, what the hell?
Speaker 2: Knowing it was like just a little bit, just a
Speaker 2: little bit right right, right right now, we should be
Speaker 2: doing this is bad, right.
Speaker 3: I don't even know that girl. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 3: looking for for somebody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how or why I even watched
Speaker 2: this movie back then.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't even.
Speaker 3: This was Denzel Washington. That's it. That's all it needed
Speaker 3: to be. We was watching the Denzel watching the movie.
Speaker 3: Come on. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about what we had these conversations before
Speaker 4: about names, what draw, what's the what's the draw?
Speaker 3: Denzel Washington is a draw period.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I don't think this was a
Speaker 2: go to Denzel movie for me.
Speaker 1: I can't. I have not watched this movie a lot,
Speaker 1: Like it felt like I was watching it like like
Speaker 1: I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I remember that's all. Yeah, I remember this.
Speaker 2: But it was just like, wait, what's gonna Like it
Speaker 2: was almost like it was.
Speaker 1: The first time.
Speaker 2: Like we were talking about thirty years. There's no way
Speaker 2: I'm saying I want to watch Devil in Them never ever.
Speaker 3: Like, but you almost forget, like you said, you watch it.
Speaker 3: It's like because it's probably because of the age that
Speaker 3: we were, but now you appreciate it more. I just
Speaker 3: feel like it's aged a lot better than it was
Speaker 3: when we watched it, which is while over thirty years,
Speaker 3: I've probably seen this once, like, but now I would
Speaker 3: go back and watch it i'fter seeing it with new eyes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we were, which you know, I like
Speaker 2: that we do the anniversaries. One we were just having
Speaker 2: a conversation on is the misialone podcast on the Patreon
Speaker 2: part about.
Speaker 1: Mint Life, you know, And I think when you realize.
Speaker 2: When some of these movies come up, you remember them,
Speaker 2: some of them more vividly than others, and you were like, dang,
Speaker 2: it's been doing it thirty Oh my, that's why it man.
Speaker 2: And then so it's good to go back because you
Speaker 2: know I've said this on other episodes of Frames per Second,
Speaker 2: is that you know, I'm a one movie watcher for
Speaker 2: the most part, I don't need to watch movies over
Speaker 2: and over again. You know, there are rare movies that
Speaker 2: that I rewatched. But but the beauty of doing this
Speaker 2: show is that it gives me a reason to go
Speaker 2: back and rewatch. Otherwise I'm watching something new. But but
Speaker 2: in this one, though, you know, we we're not going
Speaker 2: to talk about it in three parts.
Speaker 1: So we get introduced to uh.
Speaker 2: He's a Rawlins who was a World War Two vette
Speaker 2: who was in the machinery.
Speaker 1: You know, he's laid off, he's struggled with warriage.
Speaker 2: He had a conversation with his boss and he was
Speaker 2: pointing out the racial parts of it. As that was coming.
Speaker 2: He was like, oh, yeah, so the white man could
Speaker 2: do a double shift, but you know, but you know,
Speaker 2: and call off it the fine blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And then a guy called him fella head like that,
Speaker 2: and I guess something happened, because he was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he would have got your job back. You would apologize
Speaker 2: and Denzel and put up with a lot of the
Speaker 2: racist stuff that people were doing in the movie. To him,
Speaker 2: I did respect that he got his boy Choppy, who
Speaker 2: introduced him to Albright, and Albright hired him to find Daphne,
Speaker 2: and Easy goes around searching in you know, different clubs.
Speaker 2: He meet Correta, We talked about we linked Staphanie to
Speaker 2: Frank Green and Albright you know, it's paying him a
Speaker 2: hundred dollars and then gave him a hundred more dollars.
Speaker 2: And then there's a police arrest and then Easy frame
Speaker 2: from her, and we see in a newspaper that the
Speaker 2: mayor drops out of a race, and all this stuff happens,
Speaker 2: you know in the movie. One thing I did do though,
Speaker 2: because I was curious. I went back and when he
Speaker 2: gave him a hundred dollars, I was like.
Speaker 1: What is that today?
Speaker 2: Thirteen one hundred dollars thirteen forty forty five cents, So
Speaker 2: one three hundred forty dollars and forty five cents is
Speaker 2: what one hundred dollars would get you today?
Speaker 5: And how much was mortgage in nineteen forty.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the mortgage is.
Speaker 2: But you know what what made me look it up, Rod,
Speaker 2: was when you said he was talking about something was
Speaker 2: fifteen cents.
Speaker 3: A low of bride bro break fifteen cents. Bro said,
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you complained about fifty cents.
Speaker 5: I was like, you, how much was the mortgage?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 1: Fifteen cents, Bro, that's insane.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so I did all the numbers, actually, because
Speaker 2: there were a couple of One I didn't do was
Speaker 2: the thirty thousand. I don't think I'd looked up thirty thousand,
Speaker 2: because that at the end of the movie she looked
Speaker 2: up thirty thousand.
Speaker 1: What was the mortgage?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: The average cost of a home was only seven thousand
Speaker 4: dollars and seven hundred dollars bro in nineteen forty. Imagine
Speaker 4: you're sitting on that you don't pay for it, man, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that is crazy.
Speaker 1: On thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: So that means like a monthly payment was about forty dollars.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and so that gave him enough money to
Speaker 2: pay his movies. So I want to get to a
Speaker 2: social part of the beginning of.
Speaker 1: This movie how it kind of set up a lot
Speaker 1: of different things.
Speaker 2: So, of course one thousand dollars because he talked to
Speaker 2: old Boy about one thousand dollars, and that was thirteen
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, and then seven thousand dollars another number that
Speaker 2: she paid for the pictures. That is ninety three thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: That's the equivalent of ninety three thousand dollars today. So
Speaker 2: those are the numbers from she was day some thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, he was good. He was too good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: people love mousing this he was too good to update on.
Speaker 3: This is approximate mortgage payments with twenty nine dollars a month.
Speaker 3: You had a down payment of five hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: dollars my house.
Speaker 2: So one of the things I thought was that's really
Speaker 2: interesting is throughout the movie, Easy is wearing the jacket
Speaker 2: of the place he used to work at. Yeah, Champion, right,
Speaker 2: Easy event, Easy good at this job. Easy just wanted
Speaker 2: to work and pay his mortgage because he had the house.
Speaker 1: He was really proud of the house.
Speaker 5: Love come on to his house, something like owning something.
Speaker 2: In nineteen forty eight, Given the history of everything that
Speaker 2: was going on, that was a lot because you're denied
Speaker 2: a lot of things. Yeah, the way the jacket, what
Speaker 2: happened to him? What that sentinels, of course, is how
Speaker 2: people and black people want to do good, but they're
Speaker 2: forced to do bad because of circus. Right, here's a guy,
Speaker 2: a good man, all intensive purposes. Now, he had a
Speaker 2: shady cousin, got some mass, you know.
Speaker 3: All right, but you know he identified that, he said it,
Speaker 3: so he left him alone.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, you know, but exactly he left him alone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I thought that that was interesting. He and the
Speaker 2: jacket is a reminder that he's only running around, yeah,
Speaker 2: because he lost his job and he had to pay
Speaker 2: his mortgage because hent want to lose his house, and
Speaker 2: so he get caught up in this well of deceit.
Speaker 3: That's why I think that this story is so good
Speaker 3: and can be like retold now, like you can have
Speaker 3: the same version of this guy in the nineties, like
Speaker 3: the eighties, like it would be a great story too.
Speaker 4: I feel like stories are being told like that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're right, you can say that about Walter White. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like like like so, yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel like this story is actually being told today.
Speaker 5: If you think about different stories, which.
Speaker 1: Is why I said people and then I mentioned black people.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, just people because it's the it
Speaker 2: just impacts us more because as in this story and
Speaker 2: then we're the first to go. And that's why he
Speaker 2: wanted to point out, was like whether this guy right
Speaker 2: here could do this? And then the other part, of course,
Speaker 2: the social commentary is that he's the fall guy mm
Speaker 2: if everything goes wrong, so he's gonna be blamed for everything,
Speaker 2: which is why Albright went to go get black people
Speaker 2: to do the stuff, because they're always the villains.
Speaker 3: Right, It's all gonna fall back on him anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: So what did you guys think, Like, did you guys
Speaker 2: think the movie did a good job of captroine like
Speaker 2: post war LA with the clubs, the music, the racism
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like they did a perfect job of
Speaker 3: putting us in the world. World building being one of
Speaker 3: my favorite things, like just them not even having to
Speaker 3: explain why Easy was the man that Alright would select
Speaker 3: to do it. And then like they didn't explain it,
Speaker 3: You're like, well, why the hell he just off He
Speaker 3: ain't no private detective of police officer. He ain't got
Speaker 3: the like how would he be able to find it?
Speaker 3: But you instantly figured that out once you seen him outside.
Speaker 3: Everybody knew him, so if he was able to uh
Speaker 3: ask questions like when he made it to the club,
Speaker 3: like it wouldn't letting the white man in, but he
Speaker 3: was able to get right upstairs. He knew the security
Speaker 3: guard when he got there. People knew who he was.
Speaker 3: But it was good in the sense of how they
Speaker 3: show community to be. Like I've seen plays before about
Speaker 3: the little juke joints that they would have in people
Speaker 3: houses and they would be upstairs. It would be hitting
Speaker 3: from the police because they couldn't go to regular clubs
Speaker 3: and have fun as black people, so they would do
Speaker 3: it at the house, just like this one was. I
Speaker 3: just felt like they did a really good job of
Speaker 3: putting us in the world telling that story. Post wore
Speaker 3: him being a good guy in a bad situation, being
Speaker 3: proud of owning something, like all of it was well done.
Speaker 3: It may have been just because I seen him too
Speaker 3: and see the good movie versus a bad movie.
Speaker 1: What was the significance of the guy constantly choppa down trees.
Speaker 3: I think it's like Friday with Eazel. Okay, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying That that was like, that's the person
Speaker 3: that's always around. They always see the shit that happened
Speaker 3: in the neighborhood. They just had to give him something
Speaker 3: to do, drugs when the thing back then, I feel like,
Speaker 3: so him being a tree man, I guess he selled
Speaker 3: the wood or something like that. Yeah, he cut the
Speaker 3: tree down, sell the wood. Maybe that was a thing
Speaker 3: back in the day, but the significance of that, I
Speaker 3: feel like in modern day terms is like on Friday
Speaker 3: when you have Eazel just around seeing everything and having
Speaker 3: information because he was able to warn him that the
Speaker 3: dude was at his door and stuff like that. He
Speaker 3: tried to tell him when the people had broken his house.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what I took from that.
Speaker 1: Rob.
Speaker 2: I do you think what do you think about Denzel
Speaker 2: as easy? Like did he really kind of capture this
Speaker 2: old sort of reluctant detective sort of thing that he
Speaker 2: was doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he did a good job here.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I know people saying he has one beat and things
Speaker 4: like that, but I don't know, I felt like it
Speaker 4: was a little different here. It wasn't like the the
Speaker 4: Denzel that we know today. In my opinion, I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's just it's just something was slightly different.
Speaker 2: There was there was a bit of blackness to it
Speaker 2: that it's almost like, yeah, it was a bit of
Speaker 2: blackness to him, but not like over the top over
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, because you kind of compare this to
Speaker 2: like training day, where it was a little bit more
Speaker 2: of a darker Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, one Like no, it was it was
Speaker 4: just like like like we're saying, he was just a
Speaker 4: regular black man that wanted to do right, but then
Speaker 4: he got pulled.
Speaker 3: Into some some some some.
Speaker 4: Ship or whatever due to the circumstances, and that's what
Speaker 4: it felt like. He didn't he didn't at this point, right,
Speaker 4: he didn't feel like Denzel didn't feel bigger than the role.
Speaker 4: To me, it felt like if we didn't know him
Speaker 4: as Denzel, he would have just been like a black
Speaker 4: man that he was playing as this in this role.
Speaker 4: And so that's what that's what it felt like to you.
Speaker 4: So I thought he did good. I thought he did
Speaker 4: it really well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I didn't know that was his best
Speaker 2: friend in the club when we got introduced to Kreta
Speaker 2: that was sitting it down because he he just wasn't
Speaker 2: all with Correca Deacon.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, was.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, that lady is very She has a
Speaker 3: great sex appeal. I think she plays that very played
Speaker 3: that like vixen like role very well. I think she
Speaker 3: did it. It was life when it was life, when
Speaker 3: she took she took money.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she looked real godly to me.
Speaker 1: Huh oh, he's sleep and he was sleeping right, not.
Speaker 2: Out because they were making a lot of was rocky
Speaker 2: right yeah yeah, but uh yeah, but but you know,
Speaker 2: I do want to issue a correction, a little bit
Speaker 2: of a correction, a little modified, just a little bit
Speaker 2: or just uh pointed out that we.
Speaker 3: Were calling this Zella good guy.
Speaker 1: But he did just by Yeah, he did right in
Speaker 1: the house and then when he met up with him
Speaker 1: the next room.
Speaker 3: Look, he tried, but he tried to tell you. You know,
Speaker 3: he kept telling her though, right she shed He got
Speaker 3: me too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was the couch yea. But we see her
Speaker 4: and also she's in love Jones. She's a Neil's friend
Speaker 4: and she's sexy in that like like and Jason's lyrics.
Speaker 3: You remember her.
Speaker 5: She was she's the one that uh the one that
Speaker 5: he actually smashed the.
Speaker 3: Brother. Uh not the other brother, not the other.
Speaker 1: Ship.
Speaker 5: Trench was the trench in that movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. She was trenched. He was trenched. She's
Speaker 3: a girlfriend.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, so she always played like that, like
Speaker 4: sexy seductor role.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So so, you know, I think Joppy, Joppy was complained
Speaker 2: about the marble that comes with that later but uh,
Speaker 2: you know, but Joppy was the one that kind of
Speaker 2: I feel like Choppy be setting people up.
Speaker 1: But it was later revealed that he.
Speaker 3: Was just trying to look out for He had no money, yeah.
Speaker 2: And he didn't really mean for any of this stuff
Speaker 2: to happen. He was just trying to put money in
Speaker 2: his part, right. But Joppy in nineteen forty eight got
Speaker 2: to know, man, you can't ever trust the white man,
Speaker 2: you know, so for him to you know, it's like
Speaker 2: you're dancing with the devil bro.
Speaker 1: But yeah, which messed everything up.
Speaker 3: So it was interesting how he got Joppy to talk
Speaker 3: when he came in out th hammel.
Speaker 1: I know he's been banging on the marble. Yeah it's marble.
Speaker 1: It's about daddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, he kept messing the ham up because
Speaker 2: you know, I was like, what are you about to
Speaker 2: do with that? Hamil, right, But he really viewed Joppy
Speaker 2: as a friend, like you know, and he was kind
Speaker 2: of hurt that that happened to him, that Joppy was
Speaker 2: the one to do. But Joppy had good intentions, like
Speaker 2: trying to help out, you know, because he was about
Speaker 2: to lose everything. He couldn't find a job. He was
Speaker 2: looking to want to ask and stuff like that. So
Speaker 2: so you know, it is what it was. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: so Corretta got murdered, and Correta knew who Daphne was
Speaker 2: and how to find her. But it was later revealed
Speaker 2: that Corretta was it stored in Daphne for money, but
Speaker 2: she got murdered and it.
Speaker 1: Was revealed that Joppy did it.
Speaker 2: Right, Joppy was when they ended up doing it, But
Speaker 2: they framed Easy for it, and they.
Speaker 1: Came in that they booked his ass. Bro they hit
Speaker 1: him on the back of it like that. Bruh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was in a bad spot.
Speaker 2: But I think that they did a good job of
Speaker 2: kind of introducing like the relationships and the themes of
Speaker 2: like race and like power structure and if you sort
Speaker 2: of watched this movie you can kind of see some
Speaker 2: of those insisting forces present today, which kind of scary.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so Daphne an Easy finally link up, and
Speaker 2: then things started to kind of change. So Daphney called Easy,
Speaker 2: and then you get you get some more backstory about, uh,
Speaker 2: what Daphne's doing.
Speaker 1: And then they go to McGee and McGee is dead.
Speaker 2: Earlier in the movie, they were talking about cigarettes, and
Speaker 2: they made it a point to say that Junior, who
Speaker 2: was the dorman right in the club, Yeah, he was
Speaker 2: the one that was mentioning his cousin Mouse, and that
Speaker 2: he was Easy was involved in a murder that he
Speaker 2: got away with it, but I think Mouse was the one.
Speaker 1: That did or whatever.
Speaker 2: So they also wanted to point out that he may
Speaker 2: be trying to do good, but he also got a
Speaker 2: shady pass too.
Speaker 3: You know why I ain't killed nobody.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he walked in. He was like where the
Speaker 2: white woman at? He was like, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: stayed away from there. Yeah, yeah, I bet you do.
Speaker 2: Which hey Man nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 1: Man. Even even in this.
Speaker 2: Kind of middle part of the movie when they were
Speaker 2: going to Mickey House, he Easy was like, Man, I.
Speaker 3: Almost driving around this white woman right in this white neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was really pointed out that he was stupid.
Speaker 1: What he was like, Bro, you get.
Speaker 3: Pulled over like because even when he was standing at
Speaker 3: the end of that boardwalk and white came up talking.
Speaker 4: To him, was looking him around here, he was looking like,
Speaker 4: no English, no English.
Speaker 3: He was right because you knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 1: They turned up quick, real quick.
Speaker 3: What are you doing talking to.
Speaker 1: Quick? He called him nigger quick? You know.
Speaker 3: On the walk up he said talking about the sunrise?
Speaker 3: What he saying about the sun We were talking to
Speaker 3: her about this.
Speaker 1: Because at first that's how that was, that she was
Speaker 1: choosing bro, and.
Speaker 3: They would have walked off Ken, I ain't gonna lie
Speaker 3: to walk out. She would have got no words. So
Speaker 3: she worked up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were pumps, man, which you know, it
Speaker 2: shows that a lot of those guys are pump but
Speaker 2: it's my mentality. A lot of us is one of you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was like he was in a dire situation. But
Speaker 2: hic come all right, as I forgot that's what you'll think.
Speaker 1: About, all right. He came over there, Bro, he regulated ship.
Speaker 2: Really as a white man, he could do that, right,
Speaker 2: He was like call back. He's like, you were gonna
Speaker 2: do That's what I was thinking too, Like he's really
Speaker 2: gonna do this ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 3: Was dude I liked alright though, Man, I feel like
Speaker 3: he played that role. He was selling it man when
Speaker 3: he was eating the sandwich in his house and ship
Speaker 3: man only this was LIQUI was cheap, right, You're gonna
Speaker 3: drink his liquor.
Speaker 2: That was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Who was his joint detectives or not?
Speaker 3: But it was a white guy's hitchman, like the other
Speaker 3: dude was Asian or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't really overlook that model minority bro.
Speaker 2: You know how they can assimilate and you know, and
Speaker 2: be accepted even though they're not.
Speaker 3: But he popping up because it was in sentence like that,
Speaker 3: what what's going on?
Speaker 1: But that that that's the historical accurate too.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah but I saw a video about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, yeah, yeah that seems because again this
Speaker 2: was I mentioned earlier, like he didn't really put up
Speaker 2: with a lot of the racist ship except when he
Speaker 2: put the gun to his head because he called him,
Speaker 2: called him a nigga.
Speaker 1: He was like, that's my money in your pocket.
Speaker 3: But when he said hey go give me some liquor.
Speaker 2: He was like, man, he was like, hey man, you
Speaker 2: got balls whatever, and he meant it and he did,
Speaker 2: you know when he got it. But because of the cigarettes,
Speaker 2: they realized that Junior was involved, which was a dead giveaway.
Speaker 2: But this when we get introduced to easy. But I
Speaker 2: do have a question this part. Didn't that make sense?
Speaker 2: I mean, Miles, I'm sorry, Yeah, it's part to make sense.
Speaker 2: The devil in the blue dress, daperty. I saw that body,
Speaker 2: got in the car, took off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he left there, broh.
Speaker 3: But didn't didn't later come out that she had something
Speaker 3: to do with it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so she.
Speaker 3: Was just taking him up, hoping he would get caught
Speaker 3: up there.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I forgot why she was like,
Speaker 2: I can't remember that part, but I think, oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know what her involvement.
Speaker 3: Was with because he had the pictures and that's why
Speaker 3: he got killed. Okay, yeah, I proved she was black
Speaker 3: or something. My question is what what was that his car? Yeah,
Speaker 3: so she took off in his car, That's what I thought. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 3: how he gets back? I thought he walked.
Speaker 2: It gave the appearance because it took him all night,
Speaker 2: get back to get back into son was coming up.
Speaker 2: But you also in that white neighborhood. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: so I don't know. So I guess he walked back
Speaker 2: because remember the earlier part. I didn't mentioned this because
Speaker 2: we just kind of talking about the move. Wrong, was
Speaker 2: the I think the.
Speaker 1: Other minor mayoral candidate or the existing mayor picked him up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me out right here. Yeah, he ain't want
Speaker 4: no fame. It got to take me home. I don't
Speaker 4: want no fame, like want nothing from you, sir, I
Speaker 4: don't I do not want to owe you. He was right,
Speaker 4: He was right. I don't want to owe nobody like that.
Speaker 4: Nothing lucky. I'm a friend of the Negros. He love
Speaker 4: saying that ship back then there.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so so easy was that Frank Green is evolved.
Speaker 2: Frank Green at the time, he was thinking, that's Daphne's
Speaker 2: cousins boyfriend. So he's looking for Frank Green and he's
Speaker 2: stirring ship up, and Frank Green went to holler at
Speaker 2: him and then they took the fight easy to get
Speaker 2: this cut on his neck?
Speaker 1: Rod, What do you think about mouse? Bro?
Speaker 4: Mouse is great man. Mouse came in hot Bro, He
Speaker 4: came in hot. He came in about that action bro
Speaker 4: immediately he never let up, never let up. He almost
Speaker 4: shot him ship.
Speaker 3: Y'all.
Speaker 5: As Yeah, man, I loved I loved him.
Speaker 3: It reminded me of Old Dog Man that like that
Speaker 3: he was that bird look like Wesley Snipes. He like
Speaker 3: he looked like he was dark. He was dark, but
Speaker 3: there was some similarities outside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this character.
Speaker 3: I think That's what I mean. Not immediately, but like
Speaker 3: when I was watching, I was like, damn, that's old
Speaker 3: Dog of the forties.
Speaker 1: So he was good man.
Speaker 3: He was about that.
Speaker 1: Actually.
Speaker 4: I like the man praised performance. They should he that
Speaker 4: that is. Seeing that you can see why he is
Speaker 4: where he sent it to what he.
Speaker 3: For sure, he seems so comfortable.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: It's interesting thinking about the movie, kind of analyzing it
Speaker 2: a little bit, like because at this point you're kind
Speaker 2: of halfway through the movie and you.
Speaker 1: Know all the characters.
Speaker 2: He kind of brought a new sort of energy to
Speaker 2: it to carry us all the way to the end.
Speaker 2: You know, he was a very interesting character. We knew
Speaker 2: of him be a word of mouth, and now here
Speaker 2: he is and.
Speaker 3: Like you say, he came in hot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was about to shoot Green, Bro, he damn
Speaker 4: stole the movie.
Speaker 3: Man, he did, he damn stole the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I ain't gonna.
Speaker 3: Leave him with me if he don't want to be dead,
Speaker 3: like you know, I killed.
Speaker 5: Niggas, Like niggas say something wrong to me?
Speaker 3: He dead like like he's like, why why are.
Speaker 1: You leaving with me? It's your phones?
Speaker 2: Everybody knows. Bro, ain't the funniest part about that? He
Speaker 2: was like, where at right?
Speaker 1: He's like you over.
Speaker 3: There, over and over there, like he's just chilling. Like
Speaker 3: he's just chilling. He said, I feel like doing too
Speaker 3: much work. God got an easy way to handle this, right.
Speaker 2: And easy already know what's up? He knew his cause right,
Speaker 2: that was Cusin, right, Yeah, he knew his cousin. Bro,
Speaker 2: I got I got we all don't know if y'all,
Speaker 2: but we got cousin.
Speaker 3: Everybody got a crazy cousin. Dude, he got a crazy cousin.
Speaker 2: I want to call him, but when you when you
Speaker 2: do call him, you know what to expect, yeap every time, bro,
Speaker 2: like bright so yeah, but yeah, like Junior because they
Speaker 2: walked up on JR.
Speaker 3: Junior would let easy right, but he saw mouse right right.
Speaker 3: He left the door and mouse. Easy sitting there talking
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: He said that a lot of that fool said, I
Speaker 2: ain't take nothing to let damn out mouse of life.
Speaker 1: He laughing, and right.
Speaker 3: Right, he was good.
Speaker 1: He was man, He was good because every time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because twice he you know, Jim tried to buck
Speaker 2: on him and he pulled the gun out and Dreams
Speaker 2: sat right back time.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So anyway, the text was trying to say
Speaker 2: Easy up and accuse him of double murder. He said,
Speaker 2: now give me, give me to morning I got you
Speaker 2: don't worry about it. So we found out about a
Speaker 2: book which was a bible and had photos of the
Speaker 2: rail with children naked children, so you know, you know
Speaker 2: what that is. And that's when Easy realized that Albright works.
Speaker 3: For Terrell and not Carter.
Speaker 2: Now, just to mention it because it was in the movie.
Speaker 2: It was a big part of the movie. Well not
Speaker 2: a big part of the movie, but it was a
Speaker 2: scenericod part where.
Speaker 1: Easy went to Carter.
Speaker 2: And that's when he discovered that too, when he went
Speaker 2: up and pressed him for one thousand dollars, you know,
Speaker 2: and he was asked, White dropped out, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: He never would tell.
Speaker 2: And then he was like, Oh, I think you're trying to,
Speaker 2: you know, squeeze me for money or whatever. I reframed it.
Speaker 2: It was like two hundred dollars. I want two hundred
Speaker 2: dollars Now. He was like, take it, take it off,
Speaker 2: threw all the money at him, but he but easy
Speaker 2: was right. He was like, yo, why didn't you go
Speaker 2: to the cops. Why didn't you do this? So he
Speaker 2: kind of he had no choice.
Speaker 1: But anyway, but this whole part, about.
Speaker 2: This middle part, did this kind of keep you guys
Speaker 2: attention where you guys still engaged through this.
Speaker 1: Part as well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think the good part about it is
Speaker 3: I had a outside of the acting being really good,
Speaker 3: in the world building was really good. The story was interesting.
Speaker 3: It's like, what's going on with this nave? Like why
Speaker 3: is it? How did she get him in so much trouble?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So that's what held me
Speaker 3: throughout the middle because again, like we said, we've always
Speaker 3: seen it, but I was still like, what's gonna happen next?
Speaker 3: So her origin of why all of this was happening
Speaker 3: was still interested in me and holding me that through
Speaker 3: the middle, Yeah, because really you really didn't know.
Speaker 2: And the other part of like rid is just little small,
Speaker 2: little subtle things like when he left the police station
Speaker 2: out of cops, which is driving fucking with it, you know,
Speaker 2: and he just had to keep on walking. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that like it you know, didn't exist. This was when
Speaker 2: the other guy picked him up too as well.
Speaker 3: But I tell you another thing that usually hit the
Speaker 3: Missing movies that they did really well was a narration.
Speaker 3: I like Denzel telling the story and doing the voiceovers
Speaker 3: to speak over is in it too, Like I feel
Speaker 3: like that was It added a lot to the movie.
Speaker 2: So in the final part of the movie, the final
Speaker 2: act of the movie, we get everything revealed. Rob, what
Speaker 2: did you think about the reveals in the movie at
Speaker 2: the end? Did they work for you? When it comes
Speaker 2: to what Daphne revealed about her and her.
Speaker 3: Frank Green, the reals are Okay.
Speaker 4: I think that that's what it could have been a
Speaker 4: little stronger for me personally because this this is what
Speaker 4: she revealed, that she was creole, her mom was creole
Speaker 4: and all that type of stuff. So yeah, that was
Speaker 4: cool because I think I thought she was racially ambiguous.
Speaker 3: She looked like a white woman.
Speaker 4: But she looked like, what's the name daughter Quincy Jones
Speaker 4: is now.
Speaker 3: And she looked like the kind of favorite the girl
Speaker 3: from Sinners.
Speaker 4: Yeah right exactly, So so yeah, she's like is she white?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I thought that was a that was a
Speaker 4: nice reveal. What was the other reveals? Was there anything else?
Speaker 3: The other one was about to just the photos yet
Speaker 3: with the whole behind it.
Speaker 2: Terrell was the the existing there I believe picked up
Speaker 2: right right right, yeah right, So that's that was her
Speaker 2: her way keeping stuff like she had that as like collateral. Yeah,
Speaker 2: black male incriminated photos of Torell for black Male because
Speaker 2: Terrell was gonna reveal that she was basically black, Yeah,
Speaker 2: mixed rights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's nineteen forty eight, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right right right Carter with the yeah black life, you
Speaker 2: ain't wain.
Speaker 1: That, right, you ain't winning that.
Speaker 4: But I mean the reveal is like, you know, it's
Speaker 4: it's part of the movie. I mean, I mean, it's
Speaker 4: it's nothing else to kind of reveal, like, so it
Speaker 4: works for the movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say that the reveal worked for the movie.
Speaker 4: But I wasn't like, oh man, Dann that's crazy because
Speaker 4: it was supposed to be a mystery, right, So I
Speaker 4: don't I don't know if the payoff was that much
Speaker 4: for me personally, for as a mystery is you know,
Speaker 4: for as mysteries go.
Speaker 1: What's the use spie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was good. It fit in with the movie,
Speaker 3: like with Rod saying, it wasn't too like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. Yeah, it didn't blow my mind, but it
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, that's a good piece of the puzzle
Speaker 3: for the whole movie overall. Okay, yeah, that makes sense
Speaker 3: that all of this trouble would be around the pictures
Speaker 3: and the blackmail and the political stuff. So yeah, it
Speaker 3: makes sense that you think you're doing something simple as
Speaker 3: far as finding someone, and he was clarifying, that's all
Speaker 3: I gotta do. I ain't got to do nothing else,
Speaker 3: and all of this stuff came with it. But to
Speaker 3: find out why exactly, it was like, okay, that's a
Speaker 3: good story.
Speaker 1: Yeah there. I like the reveal.
Speaker 2: I think her trying to cause there are a lot
Speaker 2: of white people running around here acting like they don't
Speaker 2: have no black people, and she was trying to blend
Speaker 2: in and assimilate.
Speaker 1: And I like that.
Speaker 2: You guys pointed out that, you know the ambiguousness of
Speaker 2: it because again going back to him, we just review that,
Speaker 2: you know, because that that is the actor in that
Speaker 2: that Cam Tarrek Withers kind of has that same sort
Speaker 2: of thing too, Like and there's another guy because for second,
Speaker 2: I thought Albright was the other racially ambiguous black guy
Speaker 2: at being movies. He being slightly movies too, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. He looks damn they're white, but
Speaker 2: he's not. I think he wasn't in Harlem Knights. Y'all
Speaker 2: are knowing when you see him? God do In'm trying
Speaker 2: to remove his name, but I'll say if I can
Speaker 2: look it up. But because that's what I was saying,
Speaker 2: I was like, dang is alright? Kind of missed. So
Speaker 2: when she was like Frank Green's my brother, I was like,
Speaker 2: what how the hell that happened?
Speaker 1: And she kind of revealed it.
Speaker 2: It made sense because Creoles, yeah, you know, especially in
Speaker 2: New Orleans, bro they yeah, yeah, they could easily probably
Speaker 2: pass sometimes. So they have a lot of brightness to him.
Speaker 2: So I thought I thought it was interesting. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you you know, think about like like the racial dynamics
Speaker 2: and how you watch easy being constantly harassed because he
Speaker 2: can't blending and how who he is, you know?
Speaker 1: And but yet she could.
Speaker 2: But when it got out, it didn't matter because when
Speaker 2: she was being held hostage because Albright came into kidnapper,
Speaker 2: it was it should be.
Speaker 1: It's movies, all laughing, You're like, which part of you is?
Speaker 1: Which party was a nigger? You know?
Speaker 2: And that's when, of course, all right, easy saved him
Speaker 2: and we.
Speaker 1: Got to see Mouston action too, and he don't miss miss.
Speaker 3: I don't miss miss Mouse. I love that he didn't dying.
Speaker 2: Me too, yeah, me too, was like, man, what you know,
Speaker 2: if I'm sitting here dealing with him, I can I
Speaker 2: come in to help you?
Speaker 3: Right exactly?
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: when it was all said and done, she was still
Speaker 2: a nigga. And she went back to Carter hoping to
Speaker 2: blend in, took the thirty thousand out and Carter.
Speaker 3: Was like, nah, so she got stuck. And I love
Speaker 3: what he was saying.
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, she still was kind of in
Speaker 2: denial and as she thinks that she can blend in,
Speaker 2: but nah, it didn't work. And uh, and that's when
Speaker 2: Carl was like you know, just just want to let
Speaker 2: you know I still love her up to my point,
Speaker 2: you knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: I love Mouse was like, also, I went and got
Speaker 2: the money from from her because I know your kind.
Speaker 1: And he was not lying because he went back to
Speaker 1: give her the money and she had bounced. So uh.
Speaker 2: And then we kind of end with him on the
Speaker 2: porch talking to the deacon and he was like, you know,
Speaker 2: said something about his friend and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: you know, he's looking around and looking at the community,
Speaker 2: you know, and everybody's kind of having a good time.
Speaker 1: And I think they handled at their starting.
Speaker 2: They started a private investigation firm towards.
Speaker 1: The end, so and that was kind of pretty much
Speaker 1: the movie. So yeah.
Speaker 2: So all in all, Man, did the ending work out
Speaker 2: for you guys, and what you guys think about Easy's
Speaker 2: just overall journey.
Speaker 3: A nice little day in the life, week in the
Speaker 3: life of whatever it may be. I thought the ending
Speaker 3: was great. Movie was great. Like you said, I'm really
Speaker 3: happy that Don Chelo's character did die. This was good Man,
Speaker 3: And I can't believe I thought it was a spike
Speaker 3: ly feelings like thirty years.
Speaker 5: It was good.
Speaker 4: I feel like you see Denzel kind of go handing,
Speaker 4: especially back then, you would think.
Speaker 3: But you know that it's the more better blues thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what it.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll just do a freeze frame for the
Speaker 2: part of the black guy.
Speaker 1: But overall, yeah, yeah, I think so. Now we can talk.
Speaker 2: About performance because we are some competing performers Denzel versus Mouse,
Speaker 2: you know, and just overall all the performance. You guys
Speaker 2: liked all the performances in here for the most part.
Speaker 2: Who started show or Mouse? Definitely? Definitely so the show.
Speaker 3: Roger brought up a great point as far as Dizzel
Speaker 3: did a great job of just making this dude seem
Speaker 3: normal easy. I know it might like to say he
Speaker 3: played the same role, like I didn't get Denzel Washington
Speaker 3: from this dude. I got normal every day working. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So he did a really
Speaker 3: good job of taking you out of the mind process
Speaker 3: that hey this is Denzel. Uh that was good. The
Speaker 3: girl so briefly in there, I think she was very impactful,
Speaker 3: the one that got killed. Correct, Yeah, Coretta did a
Speaker 3: good job.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Those the three top performances for me.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yeah, I think I'm gonna go Mouse easy,
Speaker 2: mouse and easy for sure.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if I have a third one.
Speaker 3: I guess that play all right?
Speaker 1: Yeahright, good?
Speaker 3: He was good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can't really you can really ever tell
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 3: It looked like yeah, alright was Yeah, he's like friend
Speaker 3: and foe.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did a good job.
Speaker 1: He was racist yeah, yeah so yeah. The corenda bo
Speaker 1: is good yea.
Speaker 3: The description of him yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So but overall yeah, Double in the Blue Dress, which
Speaker 2: is interesting because the devil was the white woman, but
Speaker 2: the devil, but the white woman also has Negro blood
Speaker 2: and so the devil could be looked at the black too,
Speaker 2: so you know, it could be interchangeable. So I thought
Speaker 2: that was that was interesting, But I can't I've never
Speaker 2: read the book, so it makes sense.
Speaker 3: It's a book. I would love to see it. But anyway,
Speaker 3: that's it. Man.
Speaker 2: That is our thirtieth anniversary of the movie Double in
Speaker 2: a Blue Dress.
Speaker 1: We hope you guys enjoyed it. Let us know what
Speaker 1: you guys think about this movie.
Speaker 2: If you have not watched the movie, go give it
Speaker 2: a watch man, spend about an hour forty something minutes
Speaker 2: with it, and let us know what you think. So
Speaker 2: we'll leave it there and we'll cut you guys. That's
Speaker 2: time we go out in peace. Jee