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Speaker 1: So the Hammer and Nigel Show. My name is Nigel

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Speaker 1: Guy Relford filling in for Hammer the Colts. What a

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Speaker 1: gorgeous day for a Colts beat down of the Tennessee

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Speaker 1: We'll go straight to the hotline and bring on Kevin

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Speaker 1: to the game, Like, do you remember where you were,

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Speaker 1: what you were doing when you heard Daniel Jones was

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Speaker 1: your thought process and what you were thinking, and can

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Speaker 1: you compare and contrast that to what you're thinking now?

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Speaker 2: Boy, that's a great question, Nige. I don't necessarily recall, like,

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Speaker 2: just I figured and wrongly, it was just the same old,

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Speaker 2: same old, you know, a different you know whatever. Jacoby Rossett, Carson, Wentz, Gardner, Minshew,

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Speaker 2: And then you know, it kind of hit me probably

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Speaker 2: midway through the Austin and I was like, oh wait,

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Speaker 2: hit me, yeah, a little bit there, like, oh no,

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Speaker 2: this is like going to happen, but to picture like

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Speaker 2: I'd be debating Jonathan Taylor or Daniel for NFL MVP

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Speaker 2: on our radio show.

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Speaker 1: No Chris thought, Okay, your your takeaways from the game.

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Speaker 1: I believe the Colts put on what they call a

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Speaker 1: clinic is that is that the term is that the

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Speaker 1: term for the Tennessee Titan on the Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's an accurate way to put it.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's it's surgical what they've done. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I honestly feel like I've done the same Monday show

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Speaker 2: like several times this season, not IgE and done it

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Speaker 2: in a you know, like uber positive light. You know,

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Speaker 2: we're not used NFL teams blowing other tea out to

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Speaker 2: the level that the Colts have. You know, it's very

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Speaker 2: rare to like have to play fourth quarters around emptying

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Speaker 2: your bench in the NFL, and yet the Colts have

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Speaker 2: done that. I know I've said this to you guys

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Speaker 2: here on these Mondays, but just reiterated. The Colts did

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Speaker 2: not have a single twenty point win last year, the

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Speaker 2: year before or the year before that. Wow, And this

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Speaker 2: year they already have four of them and we're I mean,

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Speaker 2: So I mean that to me, just like from a

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Speaker 2: best way to sum it up. They had eight wins

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Speaker 2: last year, all eight were by one score. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: And so you were debating on your show whether it's

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Speaker 1: going to be Daniel Jones or Jonathan Taylor for MVP.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know after that eighty year old that

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Speaker 1: that was the play where everybody was chanting MVP, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, I think part of this sense from okay,

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Speaker 2: what is MVP. Is it the acronym most valuable player

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Speaker 2: it should be the best player in the NFL, because

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Speaker 2: when we get into the definition of the actual acronym

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Speaker 2: spelling it out, well, quarterback is the most waged position

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Speaker 2: like quarterback. So of course he's the most valuable. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if I told you the Cults are going to go

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Speaker 2: if you're talking the best player in the NFL to

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Speaker 2: And the fact that he's taking his game, which is

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Speaker 1: I don't know he had the numbers right there in

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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering what we're going to see moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck. And that's the thing. It's just this balance.

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Speaker 2: this season, and that's probably the most I think, just

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Speaker 2: I don't really know what that means. Whether they are

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Speaker 1: Know what that means. We're speaking with Kevin Bowen from

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Speaker 1: one O seven to five to the fan, So have

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Speaker 1: That kind of sounds like a raw, raw, raw sort

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Speaker 1: but they've had some tests they've failed. They failed a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think going back to your original question knowledge

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Speaker 2: they've like virtually aced all of them, which again does

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Speaker 2: not happen in the NFL. Teams do not have the

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Speaker 2: You know, you still haven't played the second place team

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Speaker 2: It's kind of the sheer number. And again, I don't

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Speaker 2: I mean that is a massive number in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: There's not going to be a fourteen point favorite in

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Speaker 1: DoD you hop on Hammer's bet with Jonathan Taylor three touchdowns?

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Speaker 1: Did you hop on that train? Because I did, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I try to be careful. You know how many

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Speaker 2: have Hammer on every Thursday at nine thirty. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Jason Hammer has made our listeners a lot of money,

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Speaker 2: and my kid's five twenty nine is very grateful, right, right.

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Speaker 1: We speaking with Kevin Bowen Morning Show for one of

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Speaker 1: seven five the Fan, our sister sports talk stations. So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the Pacers. I was listening to you

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Speaker 1: and JMV on the radio yesterday. I'm doing the Colts pregame.

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Speaker 1: It's your Your conversation steered towards the Pacers, and when

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Speaker 1: It sounded like and I'm not talking about from an

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Speaker 1: Can you break that down for me?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So they currently have eight players missing time due

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Speaker 1: That first game of this regular season was that where

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Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle was kind of going nuts?

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Speaker 1: Is that right? And have you talked to him since then?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we had him on just before that Thunder game.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, this has got to be uber frustrating

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Speaker 2: Since then, you know, Nemhart got hurt in that game.

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Speaker 2: Since then, Ben mcmatherden's gotten hurt, Obie Toppin's gotten hurt.

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Speaker 2: I mean to think the Pacers have more guys injured

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Speaker 2: and there's forty six of them that play every game

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Speaker 2: versus what twelve NBA players.

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Speaker 1: What about I you, I you football number two. Looking

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Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on finishing out with IU football?

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Speaker 2: Well, on paper, the schedule is a joke. The rest

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Speaker 2: Big Ten. Those teams have combined to win one Big

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Speaker 2: Ten games, so it is a collision course to Lucas

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Speaker 2: Big Ten championship game here in a little over a month.

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Speaker 2: I sound like a broken record. I feel like I've

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Speaker 2: done the same Monday show about the Colts. I feel

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Speaker 2: like I've done the same Monday show about IU football.

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Speaker 2: They just won their second Big Ten game by fifty

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Speaker 2: points this season. Like I believe you're used to people

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Speaker 2: to tail Now you check out because the game's not

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Speaker 2: entertaining anymore. They're eating the breaks off the opponent.

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Speaker 1: Kevin I fell asleep during the middle of that game

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Speaker 1: once it hit, once it hit the thirties, I.

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Speaker 2: Was And again, nothing because of anything Indiana did poorly,

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Speaker 2: because what they were doing to eat the breaks off

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Speaker 2: the next two weeks at Maryland and at Penn State. Again,

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Speaker 2: those teams have struggled here lately. Obviously Penn State's got

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Speaker 2: a new coach, uh, but still based off how Indiana's

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Speaker 2: Ten title game. In all likelihood, they're probably looking at

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Speaker 2: a buy in the college football Playoffsnelie, which would put

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Speaker 2: them you know, not getting a home game, they would

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Speaker 2: immediately put them into the quarter final part of the bracket.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow morning on your sports morning show, Pacers coach Rick Carlisle.

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Speaker 2: What else, Yeah, we also thought Bulls on, So I

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Speaker 2: think Doug wants to come on chat a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Never too early to look ahead to never another into

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Speaker 2: five hundred, So the great Doug Bulls will join us

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Speaker 2: and then hopefully Rick Carlisle there in Dallas for a

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Speaker 2: game on Wednesday, so we'll have Rick join us from there.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen one O seven five the fan, thank you

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Speaker 1: as always, have a great week.

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Speaker 2: You bet, Nige, thanks for having me man, it's

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Speaker 1: A Hammer and Nigel Show.