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Speaker 2: My name is Jay Query.

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Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison is the man that selects some of those

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Speaker 1: terrible songs from yesteryear, but they are applicable at times, like,

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Speaker 1: for example, the Dogs of Butler. In the news, Ronald

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Speaker 1: Norid is the new basketball coach officially will be announced

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Speaker 1: on Friday, but a guy that played with him and

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Speaker 1: a basketball mind will now head The Dogs joins us

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Speaker 1: on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line. He had

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Speaker 1: many an accolade as a Butler Bulldog during his time

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Speaker 1: from two thousand and seven to twenty eleven, many of

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Speaker 1: which he would go back to his hometown of Connorsville,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure tell everybody at mouse seson. In fact, yes,

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Speaker 1: he was an All American level player at Butler. And

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Speaker 1: Matt Howard joins us on the program Matt, how are you.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm good, how are you doing hey? Eddie trying

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Speaker 2: Find that again.

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Speaker 1: Eddie likes to play songs like who Let the Dogs Out?

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Speaker 1: Which I only permit when we're talking to.

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Speaker 2: Bulldogs, right, No, I love it.

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Speaker 1: I did tell Eddie though, and I'm curious if anybody's

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Speaker 1: ever said this to you. I had a phobia for

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Speaker 1: a long time in my life where I didn't think

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think of Howard as being a

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Speaker 3: that's a good point that that name, though, is is

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Speaker 3: definitely like a nineteen fifties name, only I.

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Speaker 1: Think it is Howard. You mean Howard itself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Howard itself is the first name. And you know

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Speaker 3: what's remarkable. I may just be in the wrong area

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Speaker 3: of the world. I coach quite a bit of I

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Speaker 1: What about what about Howard? How many howards? How many

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Speaker 3: So I've run across zero Matthews. I've actually run across

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough, All right, let's get to this

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Speaker 1: when and I'm here's the best way to say this.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to when you're playing at Butler, okay,

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Speaker 1: that you guys got something going here, and you've got

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Speaker 1: of some march success. But all of a sudden, somebody

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Speaker 2: Would you guess Ronald Norid? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Probably, I mean, he just you know, he was sort

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially if the guy's name was Howard, because

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Speaker 2: That's right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, but what goes into let's go back to

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Your Guy's story, Matt Howard is my guest, the former

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't the world of college basketball that we

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Speaker 3: You know, you're able to do that because you're able

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Speaker 1: You worried about, Yeah, and you're not worried on transfer

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, someone someone offering them more money and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it was one specific moment, but we

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Speaker 1: And we've all experienced that was Ronald norad that guy

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Speaker 3: You know, he wasn't necessarily the best free throw shooter.

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Speaker 1: What will most intrigue you about how he handles this

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Speaker 3: Now a little bit, but I think to your to

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Speaker 2: Can they get them? Can they get them there?

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Speaker 3: Well, it depends on wait, you know who those players are.

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Speaker 3: But it'll be it's not easy. I think they'll it'll

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Speaker 3: be interesting to hear what Ron says. I think Friday

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Speaker 2: Have you spoken with him.

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Speaker 3: Not yet today? I know both of those guys are are.

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Speaker 3: I literally have nothing. I don't know that I have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean except for the fact that obviously, you know,

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Speaker 2: But but here's the thing, Matt.

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Speaker 1: You don't lay the greatest screen in the history of

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Speaker 1: And there's an awareness that goes with that, and I

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to backtrack

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Speaker 3: that for you just a little bit. It was almost robotic.

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Speaker 3: But in some ways that was like a robot moving

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Speaker 1: We're talking about that final shot by the way that

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Speaker 2: But this screen was unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: But it was a brilliant screen, no question. It seemed.

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Speaker 3: It seemed like every Duke fan that I've met had

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Speaker 3: in the screen you.

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Speaker 1: Should have a shirt I set the screen. Everybody will

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Speaker 1: know exactly what it means, right, exactly what it means.

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Speaker 3: Matt.

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Speaker 1: Listen short notice that we got you today, and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you making time for us.

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Speaker 2: And we'll see what happens with your former team.

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Speaker 1: And I think you said it best when you said

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Speaker 1: there's something about Ronald Nord that like he just he

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Speaker 1: kind of exudes this positive energy, right, and we'll see

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Speaker 1: how that translates for Butler. But certainly appreciate the perspectives today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, go dogs, appreciate it.

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