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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, good to be with you, and a

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Speaker 1: A city called Gary, a city called Hammond, another.

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Speaker 1: They said, all right, we've got some serious ideas here.

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Speaker 2: To me, this is not a done deal.

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Speaker 1: This is not a fair complete but rather it is

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Speaker 2: And that's a big part of this story because.

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Speaker 2: Let's not pay attention to the politics, Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, morning Tony. Always good to hear your voice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the two teams that come to mind talking

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Speaker 3: So I just don't think it'll have as big of

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Speaker 3: an impact again as whatever the two LA teams sharing

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Speaker 3: a market, or the two New York teams sharing a market,

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Speaker 3: or you know even some of the closer teams that

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Speaker 3: you you maybe mentioned earlier, just geographically. You know, the

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Speaker 3: Cults are still a good you know, ninety minutes to

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Speaker 3: Bengals and the Bears.

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Speaker 1: That is Kevin Bowen from ninety three five one oh

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Speaker 1: seventy five, the Fan out of Indianapolis. Kevin, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you taking the time more to get to keep it here.

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Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz today,