1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: Good morning, It Stacy and Jim It Snide three WIBC 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: and joining us in the studio, we have former FBI 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Special Agent Corey Grass, spent twenty years in the service 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: in counter terrorism and counter intelligence. 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: And before we. 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 3: Get into our topic today, I want to play this 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: audio clip. This is the Trump administration's FBI saying that 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 3: they have located over twenty seven hundred victims of child 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 3: exploitation and they also terminated three point eight million dark 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 3: web pedophile accounts. 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 4: Listen to that. 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: I want to talk for men about something that is important. 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: Every single day of the year, the Department of Justice 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: investigates and prosecutes those who abuse in traffic young women 15 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: and children. Just last year, the FBI had located over 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: two thy seven hundred victims of child exploitation. The Department 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: of Justice found and terminated three point eight million dark 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: web pedophile accounts. 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 3: Okay, so Corey Grass is joining us. I mean this 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 3: is this is a huge win obviously. And then there 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 3: was another report that said the FBI arrest is seventeen 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: hundred predators and a mega crackdown and they located sixty 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: two hundred missing children. But he referenced the dark Web. Now, 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: that's a phrase that you know, I've heard, but I 25 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: only know what it is, not that I want to 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: go there. But what is the difference between just the 27 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: Internet I pull up Google and the quote dark web? 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 5: Well, good morning, thanks for having me again. I'm not 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 5: an expert on the dark web or the tech features 30 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 5: on it, but my understanding, my layman's understanding, is it 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 5: is accessible information that's much harder to get to. There's 32 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 5: a way to find it if you know how to 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 5: get there, but it's not accessible to the general public. 34 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 5: So they're obviously doing a lot of really bad things 35 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 5: there that they're trying to hide from the general public, 36 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 5: are from law enforcement in general. 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: When they say they say, you know, we've got all 38 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: of these different numbers, sixty two hundred missing children, and 39 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: then I believe, what did he say, seventeen twenty twenty 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: seven hundred victims. When you have all of these numbers 41 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 3: floating out there, how many are legitimately missing persons versus 42 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: like a runaway or a family dispute or children that 43 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 3: were actually found safe without exploitation indicators. 44 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 5: Well, based on his numbers, and they're probably pretty accurate, 45 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 5: it looks like about two of every three are normal 46 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 5: rental abductions, missing kids and people like that, but a 47 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 5: third of them roughly would be exploited in a sexual 48 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 5: way most likely. It is overwhelming, as the general public 49 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 5: will see based on these numbers. It is just overwhelming 50 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 5: how prevalent child sexual abuse is everywhere. 51 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 6: In downstairs, and it seems like it's got a higher 52 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 6: profile than it used to be. Like ten years ago, 53 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 6: I didn't hear the word human trafficking or don't recall that, 54 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 6: and now it's part of our everyday stories and we 55 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 6: hear about it all the time. Is this an issue 56 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 6: where these crimes are occurring more often or we're just 57 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 6: more hip to them and putting more focus on them 58 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 6: and making more rests. 59 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 5: I think it's a lot of those same things. I 60 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 5: think also we talked in the past about the director 61 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: of the FBI having priorities, and this director and this 62 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 5: administration the president have made a focus on doing these 63 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 5: kinds of things. So if you take resources away from 64 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 5: some other things that aren't as important that administration and 65 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 5: they hyper focus on it, immigration being example currently in 66 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 5: the child and they've also done things like streamline the 67 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 5: naming people used to say child pornography, and that was 68 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 5: kind of a generic thing. They change the name to 69 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 5: Child Sexual Abuse Material now so it has a formal 70 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 5: name and it has sexual abuse in it, so you 71 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 5: know exactly what it means. It's just so prevalent everywhere. 72 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 5: It's just overwhelming, and if they choose to focus on it, 73 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 5: they're going to find it. And just imagine how much 74 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 5: is going on they're not finding, you know. 75 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 6: I think it's interesting what you said about the you know, 76 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 6: the director you know, really wants to focus this and 77 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 6: so they're put resources on that. And I think that's 78 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 6: part of this that we normally don't think about. But 79 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 6: if you go back in history, I mean, right after 80 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 6: nine to eleven, FBI was all about terrorism. I'm sure 81 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 6: there were tons of other things that were going on 82 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 6: that the FBI you didn't have time for because it 83 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 6: was all about terrorism. But that makes a lot of sense. 84 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 6: As time has gone by, and domestic terrorism isn't it 85 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 6: the heightened sense that it used to be right after 86 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 6: nine to eleven. They've got an opportunity to focus on 87 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 6: other things. And interesting that Cash Mattel is choosing to 88 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 6: focus on sexual predators and human trafficking with this Yeah, the. 89 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 5: People the top can make a big difference in that 90 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 5: and direct those objectives on how they push down to 91 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 5: people out on the street, out the field work in 92 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 5: the cases. 93 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 4: Okay, let's bring this closer to home. 94 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 3: We've got a big event coming up with the Final 95 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 3: Four this weekend in Indianapolis. And you have alluded to 96 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 3: the fact that sometimes these predators or these traffickers, they 97 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 3: will use special events like this to their advantage. 98 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 5: Most definitely, the FBI has always worked leading up to 99 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 5: special events Super Bowl, Final Four, any major sporting event, 100 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 5: those are the big ones because unfortunate, the bad guys 101 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 5: know how that works. People come here to party. People 102 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 5: Indianapolis is hosting. I think it's this weekend, Indianapolis is hosting, 103 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 5: and so people come here looking to have fun, looking 104 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 5: to party, looking to drink. Lit'll create and do the 105 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 5: things they want to do. And unfortunately there's a dark 106 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 5: side to that where coming into town, a lot of 107 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 5: times they will bring miners or women that are being 108 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 5: held against their will or you know, exploited in a 109 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 5: sexual way. Setting up for that. So generally the federal 110 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 5: government will respond to that in advance and start putting 111 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 5: up more information to try and help those victims. The 112 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 5: FBI uses sources, you know, human information that people will 113 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 5: give us and tell us about crimes ranging from a 114 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 5: street level crime up to terrorism anything between. So they'll 115 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 5: start recruiting sources or tapping their sources that they have 116 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 5: a history with to tell them, you know, what's going 117 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 5: on and how they can try and prevent it from happening. 118 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 3: So, with the Final Four coming up this weekend, they 119 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 3: obviously have task forces that are already in place. 120 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 4: How far in advance do they work on something like this? 121 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 5: When they did the Super Bowl in twenty twelve, I 122 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 5: can't remember that far back exactly, but it was at 123 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 5: least a year, probably more more than that. I mean, 124 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 5: they really started ramping up the year in advance. Before that, 125 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 5: they had a point person Indianapolis that was kind of 126 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 5: leading to charge and the resources that go into a 127 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 5: major event like that. Maybe the Final Four is not 128 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 5: quite as big as a Super Bowl, obviously, but the 129 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 5: resources they bring in, whether it's swat teams, helicopters, hushs, negotiators, 130 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 5: social workers that the FBI has social workers that do 131 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 5: deal with victims of crime like that too, they bring 132 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 5: they just really ramp up the manpower leading up to 133 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 5: it to deal with it when it happens. 134 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 6: You know, it's interesting you talked about how the FBI 135 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 6: preparing for the Final Four in human trafficking may be 136 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 6: an aspect of that, and that's something I'd never really. 137 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 4: Thought of it. 138 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 6: I think of the FBI assisting with security at a 139 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 6: big event like the Final Four, my first thought goes to, Oh, 140 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 6: they're trying to prevent you know, domestic terrorism or something 141 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 6: like that. How involved in what's the scope of the 142 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 6: FBI's involvement in a major event like this weekend's Final Four. 143 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 5: It'll be significant, very significant the end episodes. Well, we know, 144 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 5: yes and no. That's and I actually I was on Fox, 145 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 5: you know, I had a couple years ago talking about 146 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 5: the Mini Marathon security because it's so different too, it's 147 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 5: so spread out to try and keep track of. Yes, 148 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 5: there's things you will know. You'll see more uniform officers, 149 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 5: a helicopter, more police cars, more market units. You won't 150 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 5: see plain clothes officers. You won't see surveillance cameras hidden, 151 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 5: you won't find people with body cameras. You won't find 152 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 5: the sources for the weeks and days and months leading 153 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 5: up to it, where they're asking for information about what 154 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 5: they're hearing on the street and currently while these events 155 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 5: going on. So they will have a adjoint operation center 156 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 5: with the local police that will be fielding calls in 157 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 5: the probably the weeks leading up to that that will 158 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 5: somebody will call and say I have a suspicion on 159 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 5: this person. They'll deploy people out to fall up on 160 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 5: those leads. 161 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: Corey Grass is joining us former FBI special agent, And 162 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: I'm curious from a parental angle, mom and dad thinking 163 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: about coming down to Indianapolis and participating in some of 164 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: the events going on with the Final four. 165 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 4: What should they be aware of? What should they be 166 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 4: looking for? 167 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 5: Really the same thing they look for on a daily basis, 168 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 5: just to hyper focus it when you're in that type 169 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 5: of crowd. I mean, no one's going to I shouldn't 170 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 5: say no one. Very very seldom will someone snatch a 171 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 5: child from you, And we talked about those with regular kidnapping, 172 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 5: you know, very fewer just random abductions. It's going to 173 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 5: be a family member who takes a vanute of a 174 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 5: child or somebody who the child was left in a 175 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 5: precarious situation where someone took advantage of that, So again 176 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 5: I would not I'm a hyper focus parent, believe a 177 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 5: helicopter parent proudly so. And of course I don't let 178 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 5: my kids out of my sight when I came in 179 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 5: they're a little but there's nothing dangerous in that regard. 180 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 5: It's just it's mostly the underbelt. Like Jim said, he 181 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 5: never would have thought about leading up to the event. 182 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 5: That's because Jim doesn't think like a criminal and the 183 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 5: criminal that's why we want people to eve to enjoy 184 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 5: those events. We don't want the normal public to have 185 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 5: to stress about things like that. 186 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: So what investigative tools or partnerships, for example, the National 187 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: Center for Missing and Exploited Children are most effective in 188 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 3: locating missing children and identifying predators. 189 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 5: It seems to be even these days that agency, the 190 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 5: National Center, seems to be sending a lot of leads. 191 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 5: Just recently in Bloomington, where I used to be based 192 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 5: at that police department, they had a case down there 193 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 5: that came from that. I think they have a lot 194 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 5: of software technology that can filter things and then once 195 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 5: they get some sort of blip on the radar or 196 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 5: data point, then they send out to a local department 197 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 5: who acts on it from there. 198 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 3: How do how does the FBI differentiate between predators caught 199 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 3: through undercover operations or those that are arrested via digital 200 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 3: evidence online stuff? 201 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 5: I think very similar. Again, I never worked that type 202 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 5: of violation. Honestly, I steered away from it. It's super 203 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 5: important work. And I actually had a buddy in Miami 204 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 5: that went to that squad when I went to a 205 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 5: different squad, and his argument was he's making a bigger 206 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 5: difference in the case I was working. One hundred percent 207 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 5: agree with him, A thousand percent agree with him. However, 208 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 5: I know how I am, how my mind works, and 209 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 5: it messes with my mind today. 210 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 4: You can't put it away right. 211 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 5: It's hard for me to separate the things I've seen 212 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 5: just randomly that I wasn't even trying to find the 213 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 5: stories I've heard just through my own ears. Still is 214 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 5: not healthy. 215 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 3: I've been told through people that I know as well 216 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: who have investigated this type of crime, and they tend 217 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: to burn out because the prosecution doesn't seem to fit, 218 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: like the prosecution seems to be too lenient. 219 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 5: Funny, you should mention that I had example of my 220 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 5: notes today again, Town of Monroe County, we just had someone. 221 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 5: Funny enough, I had mentioned this person in the past 222 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 5: to a friend of mine on the police department random times. 223 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 5: Evidently that's something I found off about the person. I 224 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 5: didn't know what it was, but i'd mentioned I guess 225 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 5: enough to that when they executed a search WAN at 226 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 5: the person's house, they called to let me know that 227 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 5: they were there. That's not what I suspected. I just 228 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 5: thought something was off and that person was doing something 229 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 5: according to the problem cause affidat. But it's out in 230 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 5: the public, as young as younger than five year old 231 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 5: kids being sexual abuse on video. I believe thousands of images, 232 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 5: thousands of videos. They keep tracking the numbers for the severity, 233 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 5: and I don't remember I don't want to quit exact 234 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 5: number two or three. Four days later, I saw that suspect, 235 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 5: that subject who've been arrested for those crimes, posted on 236 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 5: social media flying on an airplane leaving and posting some 237 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 5: sort of message about. 238 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 4: Were they were out They were, Yeah. 239 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 5: They will. It's even to me, as a former law 240 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 5: enforcement person who never worked those type of cases, when 241 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 5: I ask my friends, like, what will happen to that guy? 242 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 5: It's staggering. How little will happen that person. 243 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 6: I want to go back to what you talked about 244 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 6: before about certain types of personalities going to certain different 245 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 6: areas of investigation with the FBI, because I would think that, 246 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 6: you know, if you're investigating horrific crimes like crimes against 247 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 6: children like this, that you have to have the correct personality. 248 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 6: Does the FBI offer resources for that? Is The type 249 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 6: of person that's in that line of work tend to 250 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 6: burn out faster. That's got to be a really challenge 251 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 6: to see these horrific images and videos every single day 252 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 6: as part of your job. 253 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know how they do it. I just 254 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 5: I personally could not. I would have to find another 255 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 5: job if they tried to direct me that to that 256 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 5: line of work. I just know how I am. I 257 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 5: couldn't have done it. Like I said, I have some 258 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 5: issues with it today and I really never worked at 259 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 5: full time. 260 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 4: There's got to be a high amount of attrition there is. 261 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 5: And there's actually there's some horrible cases where I've heard 262 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 5: of around the country where people work on a full 263 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 5: time basis and somehow become addicted to it and I'll 264 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 5: become a suspect and the same thing. But I guess 265 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 5: it just messed with their mind so much. Yeah, it 266 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 5: works them somehow, some way that they have become a 267 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 5: suspect instead of a good guy. 268 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you about this American journalist. 269 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: We've got Corey Grass, former FBI special agent, joining us, 270 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 3: and this is about the American journalist Shelley Kittleson. 271 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 4: Who was kidnapped in Baghdad. 272 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: It was reported that she was taken by armed men 273 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: on a busy street. 274 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 4: So where does the FBI go from here? 275 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 5: Well, the credit that the article claimed that she was 276 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 5: worn several times, also that a group that was based 277 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 5: out of Iran had targeted her and was going to 278 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 5: either assassinate her or kidnapp her. She chose to stay 279 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 5: in country unfortunately. And I saw there was actually a 280 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 5: video forgetting kidnaped. I believe he was, Yeah, it was 281 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 5: when I read that article. Is compared that to Nancy 282 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 5: Guthrie case. Again, so imagine we can't as of now, 283 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 5: they're not solving the Nancy Guthrie case that we know 284 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 5: of at least. And how how many resources we have 285 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 5: based in the cotton the United States or CONUS as 286 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 5: we call, how many resources and videos and things we 287 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 5: have here and how tough that is. Now extrapolate that 288 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 5: to a foreign country where we have a very very 289 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 5: small footprint, particularly in a hostile environment, and there's not 290 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 5: a whole lot of zone. Yeah, there's not a whole 291 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 5: lot of US citizens or you know, military people FBI 292 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 5: as there are some probably work in the area, but 293 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 5: not obviously not nearly what Nancy Guthrie is getting. So 294 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 5: imagine how difficult that case is going to be to 295 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 5: solve in a positive way. 296 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 3: Do you think that there are FBI personnel that are 297 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: embedded with the Diplomatic Security Service or even the State 298 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 3: Department that are going to be working on this case. 299 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I would say quite possible. Definitely, they'll definitely 300 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 5: have ties to the States. I mentioned you, I think 301 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 5: a week or two ago the case that I had 302 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 5: in Syria and it was run I ran it from Indneapolis. 303 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 5: I was a team leader at the time, and then 304 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 5: we had a supervisor at headquarters in DC that was 305 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 5: assisting with it. We ran the operations. We had no 306 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 5: relations with Syria at that point, so we ran the 307 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 5: operation through our legal act that shay in Ankara, Turkey, 308 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 5: and then we had to send people into Syria. Tribes, 309 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 5: people to try and work that. So probably something similar 310 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 5: to that situation. 311 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 6: So when you've got this situation about this kidnapped journalist 312 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 6: American journalists yesterday in Iraq, who takes the lead because 313 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 6: there's so many government agencies involved. You got the State Department, 314 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 6: you got the US military, and I'm sure the CIA 315 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 6: and all these other agencies. And we talked about about 316 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 6: the FBI's involvement when something happens on foreign soil like that, 317 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 6: which US agency is kind of the lead in all 318 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 6: of this. 319 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 5: I believe if she's a US citizen, then the FBI 320 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 5: would take the lead to open the case. I know 321 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 5: about taking the lead per se. And again people get 322 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 5: down on the lead out who's in charge of what. 323 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 5: Everybody has their own roles, and you can you can 324 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 5: all be in charge, you can all lead the case. 325 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 5: But the FBI typically has an open case on they 326 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 5: will maintain the case over the years until it's resolved. 327 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 5: And now again that doesn't mean they're not working hand 328 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 5: in hand, like you said, with CIA, State Department, Military, 329 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 5: their Iraqi counterparts, or anybody else. There's obviously every country 330 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 5: has people flowing through it, so we may have a 331 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 5: source out of Australia that's traveling through Iraq, or has 332 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 5: business there, or is serving somehow that will give us 333 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 5: information there, or has. 334 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 4: Human intelligence on the ground that can help out. 335 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: So what what would the operational limitations be, because this 336 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: is a mistic American in a conflict zone. 337 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 5: Numerous. 338 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I means on. 339 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 5: The language barrier, to the cultural stuff, to the anger 340 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 5: about the war twenty years ago, to personal issues there, 341 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 5: if that you know, if they're if are imagine on 342 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 5: the lowest level, imagine that the FBI person has a 343 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 5: bad day and a bad attitude with somebody they first 344 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 5: met from the Iraqi military. How that sets it tone 345 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 5: for something, or vice versa, if the Iraqis don't want 346 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 5: the Americans there in the first place. So those are 347 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 5: all the issues you have to work through. I was 348 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 5: assigned to Bureau prisons for years and it was kind 349 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 5: of the same thing. They had mentioned to me at 350 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 5: the time that they liked me, they didn't like the FBI, 351 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 5: which is funny to say because it's get FBI. It's 352 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 5: a bad name because they have rules that have to 353 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 5: follow when the agendas they're trying to go for, and 354 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 5: the Bureau prisons did as well. So it's easy to 355 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 5: get along on the ground until the bosses get in 356 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 5: charge or bosses start having a hand on what's going 357 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 5: to happen. I mentioned that story because it's the same there. 358 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 5: I mean, the US military has an agenda, the FBI 359 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 5: has an agenda, and they all go. Don't get her 360 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 5: back obviously safely, but they all have their own agenda 361 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 5: in the way. 362 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 4: What do you think the likelihood of that is. 363 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 5: If they get her back safely and quickly. Unfortunately, I'm 364 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 5: a very broken man, and I would say pretty slim. 365 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 4: Really Yeah, Okay, I hope I'm wrong. Yeah, I do too. 366 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 4: Corey Grass. Where can people find you? 367 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 5: The easiest place is on Facebook. I'm just Corey Grass 368 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 5: co r Y g r ass Or. I consult with 369 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 5: a company called Apex Solutions Group at Apexdefend dot com. 370 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: We appreciate you, thanks for coming in, thanks for having me. 371 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: You're listening to ninety three WIBC.