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Welcome all right, 36 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 3: so old. 37 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: Pale Todd Roketa the Attorney General another week where he's 38 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: back in the news. And Abdul I think you followed 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: this story were as close as anyone. You have it 40 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: over at adypolitics dot org. Capitol Chronicle running it as well. 41 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: He had a loss in front of the Indiana Disciplinary Commission. 42 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: Yes he did. What a shame? Uh. 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 4: Basically, I'm sorry, I'm gonna I'm in a bit of 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 4: a mood today, so I'm good apologize right now for 45 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 4: the extra double heaps of Snark's probably gonna be coming 46 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 4: uh in today's conversation. Uh No, Todd rakeetap basically, uh, 47 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 4: because of his comments about doctor Kaitlen Bernard and the 48 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: and the whole nine yards and the loser Commission is 49 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 4: you know, on the on the hook. And so he 50 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 4: follally he follow what was called a motion to dismiss, 51 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 4: basically saying there's no issue here, everything's good, fine, blah 52 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 4: blah blah. And the Supreme Court said, no, that's not 53 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 4: going to happen. You know, We're we're gonna, we're gonna, 54 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 4: we're gonna. 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: Go forward this. 56 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: We're gonna do something a little differently. And so instead 57 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 4: of one hearing officer who would hear the whole thing, 58 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 4: they're gonna have three hearing officers from three different parts 59 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 4: of the state. North South and Central. So that way 60 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 4: there's no question as to when the decision comes back 61 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 4: to know this was fair and that they're actually taking 62 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 4: an extra step. And I see why because regardless of 63 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 4: what you think of Todd Rakkeedter personally, he is to 64 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 4: stay wide elected official and is entitled to I want 65 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 4: to say extra du process, but just to make sure 66 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 4: that everything is done right and everything is bove board 67 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 4: and also it's done so he can shut up and 68 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 4: not complain about well, he canplain anyway about the result, 69 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 4: at least this way, he can't say the process was 70 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 4: unfair that I think they went out of his way 71 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 4: to accommodate him. 72 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: Okay, So Bradford Cale Bradford is the name that I know. 73 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: He is, I believe or was or is a college professor. Uh, 74 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: teaches classes and one with my wife's one of my 75 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: wife's professors. Seemed like a very reasonable guy. 76 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 77 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 4: And actually I've known Judge Bradford for years because my 78 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 4: first man when I first came here Indianapolis, he was 79 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 4: on the Mary County bench. 80 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 5: Uh. 81 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, So they're putting these judges, well two of them 82 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: are judges, Is that right too? Like there's another one 83 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: out of here that's also a judge, I believe. 84 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 3: VEDE V A, I, D I K. 85 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: According to India Capitol chronicled Bradford and Vedick are currently 86 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: serving on the Indiana Court of Appeals, and both have 87 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: been elected by their colleagues to serve as their court's chief. 88 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: Judge in the past. 89 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that would make it pretty hard for Rokeia 90 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: to say, well, I'm getting a horrible deal here and 91 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: the whole thing is totally biased in a nutshow. 92 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, Well, I uh, I can't speak high high 93 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 6: enough for both those two judges. 94 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 5: I grew up with Cale Bradford, just like I grew 95 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 5: up with everyone. 96 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 4: Judge Sweeney now the chief chief Justice with the Southern 97 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 4: you like living like Mayberry for lawyers? 98 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: What do you? 99 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 2: How do you end up so bad? Look at all 100 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: these other distinguished people. 101 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 6: I have all the respect in the world for both 102 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 6: these judges, Judge Bradford and Vedick. And and you know 103 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 6: you see him on the elevator at the State House, 104 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 6: and and so you you you work with them, and uh, 105 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 6: but yeah, Cale Bradford is an outstanding jurist and also 106 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 6: a better person as Judge Sweeney is. With the Gay 107 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 6: Whitley case. And uh, I think they're doing an outstanding 108 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 6: job of making sure that that all the eyes are 109 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 6: dotted and teaser gross and and uh uh the attorney 110 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 6: general does get a fair shot at this, and and 111 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 6: uh kudos to the to the judiciary to making sure 112 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 6: that that the Attorney general is one hundred percent covered 113 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 6: with this and gets the fair hearing that he deserves. 114 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's appeals court judges Cale Bradford and 115 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: Nancy badik Am I saying that correctly, and then Attorney 116 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: William Hussman are the three who will oversee this. Now, 117 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: let's walk through this a little because it's our chance 118 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 2: for us to educate that we were like, what is 119 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: going on here? 120 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: Okay, so just a reset. 121 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: Most of our longtime State House happenings listeners will know 122 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: how we got here. But there is a attorneys are 123 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: held higher standard than regular people. It's the same way 124 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: I want to. 125 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 3: Say a higher state, I say a different standard. 126 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: Well, okay, but my point is the same way as 127 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: I can't come on these airwaves and use the F 128 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: word as a terrestrial radio broadcaster. 129 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: That's part of when. 130 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: You agree to be on these WIBC or Network Indiana 131 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: or wherever you may be hearing us on the radio. 132 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: These airwaves, you give away certain rights and a privilege 133 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: of doing that. 134 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 4: In exchange for the licensed to broadcast. You agree to 135 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 4: do these things exactity on the air. 136 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 3: Right. 137 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: Nobody's impeding my first amendment. 138 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: Right. 139 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: If we just did this on a podcast only, we'd 140 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: go down to Monument Circle and we could do this 141 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: show on the corner and let the f bombs fly. 142 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: But we accept, in order for the privilege of having 143 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: the power of broadcast IBC interrestrial radio, that there's certain things. 144 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 5: We give great standards. 145 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, everything's about standards, and I think that that's a rock. 146 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So same thing with attorney. You're not entitled 147 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: to a law license. It's something you earn and then 148 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: it's a club you're joining and Abdul, you're the attorney 149 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: in the room. As part of that, there are certain 150 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: codes of conduct and rules for the road you are 151 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: forced to abide by that regular people such as us 152 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: are not. 153 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're called the rules of professional conduct. Every state 154 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 4: has has its own set of rules. You can't do 155 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 4: anything an ethical and you can be combative at times, 156 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 4: but you just can't be a four letter worth in 157 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 4: rhymes with rick. Right, and in addition of our FEC license. 158 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: Sure, very good. 159 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So no one's impeding on Todd Roketa's First Amendment rights. 160 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: He could quit being an attorney tomorrow. He could go 161 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: and say all the things he said that has put 162 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: him in hot water. He wants to be an attorney 163 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: the same way we want to be or I want 164 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: to be broadcaster. A broadcaster, and thus that's the rules 165 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: of the road. You don't want to do it, don't 166 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: be a part of the club. 167 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: So he. 168 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: We're guards to this was several years ago, now, comments 169 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: that's how long we've been at this. Comments made on 170 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: Fox News about an abortion doctor got him in hot water, 171 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: and they're sort of the eye test, right. 172 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, but what it boils down to U says comment 173 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 4: I just pulled up here a second ago, he said, 174 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 4: I was speaking as an elected official, not as a 175 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 4: lawyer representing a client, so I'm protected by the First Amendment. 176 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not how this works, is it. I Mean 177 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: it's like, again, if I'm on these airwaves, which is 178 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: part of the deal of signing up, I'm Rob Kendall 179 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: I'm broad. I'm a broad. That's all what I do 180 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: for a job. 181 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: Right. 182 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, my employer could fire me 183 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: at any time, even if I went down on Monument 184 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: Circle and said the F word. Right, Like, you're not 185 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: entitled to any of this. Once you're an attorney. You're 186 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: always an attorney. To have that law license in perpetuity 187 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: or get it renewed or whatever. You have to always 188 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: abide by the code of kind of you don't get 189 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: to just hop I'm Todd Rokety the elected person. I'm 190 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: Todd Roketa of the attorney. I'm Todd Roketa, the private 191 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: Like this is so grow. 192 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 4: You cannot you cannot compartmentalize what he was trying to do. 193 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 4: It's like like I wasn't. I wasn't talking to as lawyer, 194 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 4: talking to his privacies. Like no, no, no, you're always an 195 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 4: attorney because you have a license. Yeah, number one, Number two, 196 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 4: you're also the attorney general. So I adnything you're going 197 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 4: to say, even though I disagree with, will carry some 198 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 4: legal weight. And fundamentally, what the Disciplayer Commission said is 199 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 4: tiber Kei had made false and misleta staments about doctor Bernard. 200 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 4: He signed a sel An affidavit. 201 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: Okay, real quick though, because again, we have people that 202 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: come in all the time. He went on Fox News 203 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 2: made comments about abortion. Doctor I always said's sort of 204 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: like the eye test of when he said it. At 205 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: the time, I think we all uh or whatever version 206 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: of the show we were on. I think you were back. 207 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: I think you were running for may or maybe at 208 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: the time, but whatever. Maybe we were all here together. 209 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: I don't remember, but we were all sort of collectively like, 210 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: who that's problem, Yeah, probably gonna get him in some trouble. Yeah, 211 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: And you and I Jim are not attorneys. And a 212 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: week we even knew yeah, And so we got really 213 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: a sweetheart deal from this Disciplinary Commission, who said hey, 214 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: and a big part of it is because he is 215 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: an elected official. They I think they gave him way 216 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: more leeway or generosity than most attorneys would get. They 217 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: sentially gave him a slap on the wrist. He got 218 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: a small fine, a verbal reprimand, and then they were like, Okay, 219 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: everybody go on their merry way. Well, almost as soon 220 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: as this plays out, which he agreed to this, he 221 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: signed off on this, and essentially one of the things 222 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: he said correctly. If I'm wrong, I'm doing He said, basically, 223 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: I would not be able to defend this case in 224 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: front of you guys. That's part of this plea agreement 225 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 2: or the allegations in front of me or whatever. And 226 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: then almost as soon as the deal was announced, he 227 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: basically came out and poo pooed the deal and was 228 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 2: just basically like, yeah, I just did it to save 229 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: the taxpayers a bunch of time. I didn't really mean 230 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: the things that I said to people in your professionment 231 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: well was he People and your professor were like, wait, 232 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: is it you just it's under oath or perjury or whatever. 233 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: Is that what you do when you sign the thing? 234 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 4: In a nutshell, he signed then agreement and then undermined 235 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: it in a nutshell that's basically what. 236 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: So they're saying, you agreed to the court, which is 237 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 2: a big deal that I did. 238 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 3: You know, did these things? 239 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: Everybody goes home and we're all we'll part friends. And 240 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: then now you're coming out and saying you didn't. Well, 241 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: you these two things are in conflict with each other. 242 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: So now we got to get to the bottom of 243 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: where aren't you maybe possibly not telling the truth? 244 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 4: And when I looked up here it it involves the 245 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 4: rule of the p Pressional Conduct Rule eight four C, 246 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: which basically involves a dishonesty and misrepresentation and possibly uh 247 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 4: Rull one point two, which goes but was noringly prohibits 248 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 4: you assistant in fraud. So it's it's like I said, 249 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 4: if tiber Keiter weren't an attorney, we wouldn't be having 250 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 4: this converse. That's right, But he is an attorney, and 251 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 4: it changed that law. License you agreed to, you agree 252 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 4: to the rules of professional conduct. And the argument is 253 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 4: that he violated the rules of professional conduct. Now he's 254 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 4: tried to act like a prosecutor, because prosecutors when they're 255 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 4: in court can get a little bit more work free 256 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 4: specially But no, no, no, you weren't acting as a prosecutor. 257 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: You're acting as a media whore. 258 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: And he actually probably because this woman did get some 259 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: level of discipline, as I recall for for something, but 260 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: he probably hurt the case against her because then everybody 261 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: takes it with kid gloves because he went on he 262 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: went on Fox News. Okay, so now he's spent the 263 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: what I mean, have we been at this for two 264 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: years now? On the new version of this or almost 265 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 2: two years or whatever, it's been trying to get out 266 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 2: of this Capitol Chronicle hat a big article saying that 267 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: he'd racked up almost a half a million dollars in 268 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: legal bills. We as taxi. Yeah, he's not writing out 269 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: of Roketa Incorporated. You're paying for it. And the latest 270 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: on this is he tried to get these these allegations 271 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: against him dismissed and the court said, the Supreme Court 272 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 2: said no, thank you right now. 273 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 4: And it was a unanimous decision, by the way, all 274 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 4: five justices just said, no, we're not gonna We're not 275 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 4: gonna dismiss this. We're gonna go forward and and hear 276 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 4: this matter. And I remember reading one of the complaints. 277 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 4: I want to either whether the complaints are one of 278 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 4: the respons or opinions that my name was actually mentioned. 279 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: Oh well, good for you. 280 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 4: And you know because because remember my father complaint against 281 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 4: Tarbra Katda forresthny Wells's personnel file during the during the 282 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 4: debate of the Rakata crossed the line. Uh, they said, 283 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 4: we we can't go for for some other reasons, but 284 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 4: for tarb Key to say the system is biased against 285 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 4: him like, do you have almost like twenty something almost 286 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 4: two dozen complaints? Uh, and it's like my friend was 287 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 4: on his fourth marriage. Dude, at what point, what's the 288 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 4: one constant in this equation? 289 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: It's you? 290 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 6: And if I remember correctly, I have duel with the 291 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 6: last decision. Does this with the five justices? It went 292 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 6: three to two? 293 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 3: Yes? 294 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 6: And and talk a little bit about the personality there 295 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 6: because the chief Chief Justice was kind of the it 296 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 6: could have kind of where was she in the in 297 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 6: the three to two? 298 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 4: She was in the two, she was in the two. Yeah, 299 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 4: she was in the two. I forget, I forget the act. 300 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 4: She was in two. 301 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 3: I know Justice Massis was in the three. 302 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, an alt yeah, I believe was in the two 303 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 5: with her. 304 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: Okay, so here this is okay, it's interesting you mentioned Malter. 305 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: There's five justices on the Indiana Supreme Court. So the 306 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: way this will work, right is this, Now this group 307 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: of three judges will come up with some sort of recommendation. 308 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 3: Is that right? Is that how this works? Well? 309 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 4: No, No, the district they basically they'll have a hearing. 310 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 4: They either have a hearing officer. 311 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 5: Who is a part of the hearing. 312 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 313 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 4: Well, actually in this case, normally, have a hearing officer, 314 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: they hear both sides and that would be the end 315 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 4: of the discussion. But because Tiberkita is a statewide elected official, 316 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 4: that's why they're having the three hearing officers instead. 317 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: It's kind of like the way they do with judge. 318 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: But what do these hearing I think this is what 319 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: people need to know. These hearing officers, they then will 320 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: make a recommendation to the court based on what based 321 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: on the evidence. Okay, so the court, the Supreme Court. 322 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: That was what I was trying to get in, and 323 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: I'll take the blame of that. I don't word that properly. 324 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: The Supreme Court is the ultimate judge jury and many 325 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: of us are hoping maybe in terms of Roketa's law 326 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: license h and right, But in the decision they're going 327 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: to decide the actual punishment. These hearing officers will hear 328 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: the information and then based off of that. No, normally 329 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: it's one person, but as a result of this, it's 330 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: these three. Two of them are judges, one's an attorney. 331 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: They'll make a recommendation and then the Supreme Court will 332 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: decide based on that. 333 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 4: Do I have that correct? Yeah, don't make a recommendation. 334 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 4: The Supreme Court can accept it, they can modify it, 335 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 4: they can reject it, or order a new hearing altogether. 336 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So you mentioned Malta, who's one of the Supreme 337 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: Court justices, because I thought this quote, this is in 338 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: the Indiana Capitol Chronicle, is very interesting. While we are 339 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: on this is on the rejection of Rokeita's motion to 340 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: try to get this thing thrown out. While we're only 341 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: depleting stage, the party's discussion of the claims to their 342 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: early filings is already volume in it voluminous. Buis thank you. Yes, 343 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: it's a lot of stuff, right, okay. And two, up 344 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: to this point there's submissions, though extensive, reveal very little 345 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: factual disagreement. That disagreement is vehement, but it also seems narrow, 346 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: so there may not be much to litigate through a hearing. 347 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting. I've read that quote several times, 348 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: and basically what that guy's saying is there ain't much dispute. 349 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm trying to interpret it, right, you're the attorney. 350 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: I'm not. There ain't much a dispute on what went 351 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: on here. 352 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: Y'all better settle it or we're gonna settle it and 353 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: remember in Ghostbusters, and you don't want us exposing ourselves? 354 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: Like, am I misreading that a little bit? Uh? In 355 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: a nutshell? What? What? What? 356 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 4: But Judge, what Judge Malton is saying is like, there's 357 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 4: really not hold out to argue on the facts, right, 358 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 4: I mean, there really isn't. 359 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned it's. 360 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 4: A little late to say you didn't say it, because 361 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 4: we got you on tape, right, you know, saying this stuff. 362 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 4: So the question is, did you violate the rules of 363 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 4: professional conduct? 364 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: No? 365 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 4: Where are you making statements? No, we're you know, against 366 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 4: against the court and where? And it also did youly 367 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 4: to us? You know when you when you followed your 368 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 4: cooled your motion. So the argument is over what you said. 369 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 4: It's so it's sort of the it's sort of the 370 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 4: mechanics behind behind why you said it and who you 371 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 4: said it to. 372 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So, and that's very different from when what Curis 373 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: Hill went through because Curtis Hill, as I recall, there 374 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: was dispute of who touched who, where, what intent. 375 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: I'm trying to recall things from years ago. They also 376 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 3: he also got people in the bar at the two 377 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 3: o'clock in the. 378 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 6: Well right right, I mean that was a personal issue 379 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 6: and this is a totally different situation. But it does 380 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 6: show the Attorney general uh or or the Supreme Court 381 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 6: can make that decision, and they would make a decision too, 382 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 6: and then to to change the a public official career. 383 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 4: And and and also by the way, too, I want 384 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 4: to say Rarekeitha submitted a brief suggested that the display 385 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 4: rules the rules be changed for law to allow like okay, 386 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 4: uh uh, it's like you got to rest it for 387 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 4: speeding and then you put a bill like hey, well 388 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 4: speedling was now seventy five is supposed to sixty five 389 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 4: And this. 390 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 6: Was the legislature. Yeah yeah right, no, Like no, didn't 391 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 6: they file bill to change some things? 392 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: Uh, there was a bill filed, but it didn't go anywhere. Right, 393 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 4: It was just it was no message that that that 394 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 4: fine that that candish got across the bow. 395 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, like this guy you noticed the trend and you 396 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: wrote something similar to this over an indie politics or 397 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: maybe it's the cheat sheet. You're at this end, whether 398 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 2: it's Roqueda Diego Mica, like there's just this little camp 399 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 2: of people and it's not whether you politically agree or 400 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: disagree with them. It's that it's just a never ending 401 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: level of exhaust and with these guys like Roquita the 402 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: dude just be professional. There's things I'd love to say 403 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: about people like Rokeita on these airwaves. 404 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 3: I know the rule, I know how it works, I know. 405 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: What I sign up or I'm also cognizant of as 406 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 2: part of me being here and the power that comes 407 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: with that. That on social media, while I'm critical, there's 408 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 2: words that my employer would frown upon and would say, Yeah, 409 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: that's not gonna gonna work for us. 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Okay, So help 449 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 2: me out on this here of duel because the state 450 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: at a big press conference which they do every year, 451 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 2: right where they let you know the fiscal health of 452 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: the state, and I can't get a real clear image 453 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: on everything because they said, well, we have basically the 454 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: targeted number of reserve dollars that we're looking for. However, 455 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: they didn't come off the doom and gloom scenario that 456 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 2: they painted at the end of the legislative session where 457 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: they had to cut a billion dollars in the raise 458 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 2: taxes by a billion dollars to pay their bills. So 459 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: are we are we? Are we living? Are we dying? 460 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: Are we fine? 461 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't feel like I got a clear 462 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: cut answer, a. 463 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 4: Little bit of both. There's good news and there's bad news. 464 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 4: The good news answer, we've got a two five billion 465 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 4: dollars there plus yay. The bad news is, well, we 466 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 4: kind of use a little bit of creative accounting to 467 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 4: get there. 468 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 7: Oh like in run creative accounting, No, I would say, 469 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 7: I want to say in ron creative accounting, more like 470 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 7: Arthur Anderson. Oh well, that would make everyone feel so 471 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 7: much better to really to really carbonate myself back to 472 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 7: the nineties. What are you talking about though, in all 473 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 7: serious what are you talking about with creative accounting? 474 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 4: Well, in a nutshell, the state has to keep a 475 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 4: healthy amount of reserves in case of emergency, usually ten 476 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 4: to twelve percent. 477 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 3: So that's so they have forty days. 478 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 2: That seems like, under what circumria you were in the 479 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: Senate for thirty years, under what circumstance would the state 480 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: ever be without revenue for forty days? 481 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 5: They wouldn't. They wouldn't. 482 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 6: And and uh, this this is a kind of a 483 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 6: fascinating subject because the public really doesn't. It's it's like 484 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 6: it's like an iceberg. You see a little bit of it, 485 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 6: and most of it's underwater, and and budgeting is is 486 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 6: a guess. Budgeting is a snapshot. 487 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: And they seem to be wrong a lot. 488 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 6: Well, the legis nature of the general Indian General Assembly 489 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 6: has their budget team, the governor has his budget team. 490 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 6: They're constantly looking at this and. 491 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 3: They were all wrong. 492 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, very wrong. 493 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 6: But the good news in all this is they're they're 494 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:20,239 Speaker 6: they're constantly paying down debt in regards to the you know, 495 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 6: the teacher's retirement system. Uh, they're they're cutting the income 496 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 6: task tax all the time. 497 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: Well, we've already debunked that the state's got to grow 498 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: at a certain percent, which it hadn't done in twenty 499 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 2: years in order forbody to get the income taxt, I 500 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: love you, but they are not cutting the income tax. 501 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 3: Well that was a that was an l I. 502 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 6: The bottom line is is they are now starting to 503 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 6: work on the next budget. And and what what I found, 504 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 6: what I found fault is that all of a sudden, 505 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 6: April fifteenth came and that in that uh, that that 506 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 6: forecast that they put out on April fifteenth for the 507 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 6: next two years just completely put the legislature in paralysis 508 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 6: and everything they've been working on and and kudos to 509 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 6: the Senator Ryan Mischler, he and probably Thompson, but I 510 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 6: pay attention to the Senate. They were talking about medicaid 511 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 6: and the large punitive nature of how much money we 512 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 6: were spending on medicaid, and but they weren't really talking 513 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 6: about the sour economy that they that was going to 514 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 6: be forecasts on April fifteenth. So it put everybody in paralysis. 515 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 6: And you both have heard me talk about this probably 516 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 6: too much that it's just a shame that when they 517 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 6: got that forecast on April fifteenth, that they didn't just 518 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 6: call halt for just a minute, meaning sixty days or so, 519 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 6: and then come back at the end of June and 520 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 6: had a really better forecast because with Liberation Day and 521 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 6: and you know, the tariffs in the market, uh, the 522 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 6: stock market, and everybody was piling on what they thought 523 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 6: was gonna be a sour economy. 524 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 3: Uh. 525 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 6: And and and your cheat sheet talking Abdul about having 526 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 6: you know, instead of two percent of holding back of 527 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 6: the budgets for the different different agencies, they double that 528 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 6: to five or more, which really on average, yeah, which 529 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 6: really kind of saved in the minds of many, saved 530 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 6: this budget. But but it really shocked the General Assembly 531 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 6: when that budget forecast came out and uh, and they 532 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 6: weren't nimble. They raised cigarette taxes. They they did the 533 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 6: five percent and and so bottom line is the answer. 534 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 6: The question is is where do we go from here? 535 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 6: And I would have rather have they them pass a 536 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 6: budget in late June and then and then micromanaged it 537 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 6: for three to six months and if they needed something 538 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 6: in in uh or January two, they have a new budget. 539 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not going to those tax increases. 540 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: If the budget will get the numbers work out better, 541 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 2: they're gonna be like, oh, sorry about that, dull. Here's 542 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: those cigarette taxes. Yes, your cigar in your case. 543 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 4: Here a two words to can pay attention to, because 544 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 4: I'm about to get right a problem about this weekend. 545 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 4: Actually the word is called creative timing. Is this the 546 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 4: creative accounting that you're referencing? 547 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 3: Inter nutshell? 548 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 4: Because the because like I said, no, strongly expected revenues 549 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 4: from the corporate tax revenue, but also that that was 550 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 4: part of the equation. And then came to the creative 551 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 4: timing because here's what they did. They they quite and 552 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 4: actually they actually admitted that they did this, and they 553 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 4: didn't say yeah we yeah, we we moved them. We 554 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 4: moved the needle. Like no, I'm like, wait a second here, 555 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 4: What's what's going on? Because some agencies had those INNY 556 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 4: year reversions, you know, the unspent Monday that you got 557 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 4: to give back. But then also like payments, hiring freezes, 558 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 4: deferred contracts, and while there's been no sort of no 559 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 4: sort of large scale you know, creative timing, they just 560 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 4: basically moved the like, well, instead of taking these payments 561 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 4: like you know, in August, we'll take them in December. 562 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 4: That way, the number, the whole life a whole lot better. 563 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 4: I see. Now is it legal? Yes, transparent, mom, it's transparent. 564 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: If you know where to look. Oh well that keeps 565 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 3: people like you in business. Yes it does. By way, 566 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 3: this will be the next chichi. Oh very good. 567 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: All right, Well we'll unless you got some sort of 568 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: pithy final thought of thirty seconds or less. 569 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 6: Well, the bottom line is the bottom line, and you 570 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 6: want the legislature to be very clear with the public. 571 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 6: And sometimes we when I was a part of it, 572 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 6: we were not, especially with the counting procedures. 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