1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: It is time to guess or figure out people's ages 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: by their age. When this song hit in the summer 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety. First of all, Stephen Holder, is Humpty Hump? 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: Is that by request by you? As far as like 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: your intro or walk up music on this year program? 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: It was not by request, But I respect it. I 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: respect it. Look, I mean I didn't catch it with 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: a digital underground that. 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Was of course, it was absolutely and I saw it. 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: I like, I discussed it's so funny. I'm pretty sure 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: Jake and I had a conversation about this like in 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: the past month on the air. I don't know how 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: it came up, but I mentioned that that they had 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: a huge impact on hip hop because that gave us 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: the birth of to box your care. 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: Of course, there you go. Of course, so you know 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: when when Humpty Dance first broke in nineteen ninety, you 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: were howled. 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: Let's see, I would have been probably in ninth grade, 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: so however old that is fourteen maybe, So. 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: In today's lessons we learned Stephen Hold and I are 22 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: the exact same age. So now we know the answer 23 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: that question, because that's exactly the way that it played 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: out in my world. Too. How was your bye week, 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: my friend? 26 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 2: It was nice and quiet, which is the way I 27 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: like it. 28 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: I watched football about that. I never get to do. 29 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: That, right, I thank you. Last night I was having 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: trouble getting to sleep and I put the Cowboys and 31 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: Raiders on. Five minutes. That game knocked me out cold. 32 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: That was an awful football game. 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 2: I tried to watch it and I literally sat there 34 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: on my phone looking at everything under the sun and 35 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: not watching the game. It was on, but I wasn't 36 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: watching it. So now, awful football game. And you know, 37 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: I think we have to see whether it we actually 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: get some flex Monday nighters. I think that's on the table, 39 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: I think, but I don't know if they're actually going 40 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: to do it. They're not going to flex the Cowboys, 41 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: let's be honest. But you know, we just have to 42 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: suck it up and watch it because they're never flexing 43 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: the Cowboys. It is what it is. But that game. 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: America did not. 45 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: Deserve that game, no for and as bad as the 46 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: Cowboys are have been et cetera, the Raiders even worse, 47 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: which is why that one went the way of the Cowboys. 48 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: So you're telling me you did not feel the need 49 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: to go to Panama for stem cell treatment during your vibe. 50 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: No, because I'm not doing anything that would require me 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: to need stem cell treatment. So, unlike the Forest Buckner 52 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 2: who has a very dangerous job but is very good. 53 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: At it, we can kind of chuckle and laugh at it, 54 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: but obviously this is a pretty serious matter. What have 55 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: you kind of gleamed on his injury recovery timetable? Again? 56 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: You know, the hope is that we see him in December, 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: but I think that is a hope. Anything you can 58 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: can shut on that story. 59 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think time table is something that we 60 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: can establish just yet. What I'd say is there has 61 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: been consistency on the question about whether he is expected back. 62 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 2: That question continues to be yes. Now I think there's 63 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 2: a caveat there, which is hopefully and we think but 64 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 2: certainly there's some positivity about the likelihood of him returning. 65 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: You know, I think it's huge for the Cold. Look, 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: if they can get to the finish line and wrap 67 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: up the division without him, you know, more power to them. 68 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: But I think you're going to want a guy like 69 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: that in the playoffs. There's no question about it. So 70 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: if he can get back to the playoffs, that would 71 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: be plenty, and I am not rubber stamping all those 72 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: games in between. They got a lot of work to do, 73 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: and this thing ain't. 74 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: Even close to finished. 75 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: But I'm just sort of looking at it, you know, 76 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: with maybe some realism here, and I think what you 77 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: hope is that they can finish the job and have 78 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: him for the postseason. And the reason I think that's 79 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: so important, other than the obvious because the games are important, 80 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: is because you're going to face some top notch quarterbacks 81 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: and you want that guy going after those quarterbacks that 82 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: you were going to see in the postseason. 83 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: So I think that's. 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: Really that, you know, if they get an outcome that's 85 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: maybe not optimum. Optimum would be four games, but anything 86 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: less than that, I think what you're what you're hoping 87 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 2: for is you get him for the start of the playoffs. 88 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: This turns into like a defensive philosophy x's and o's conversation. 89 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: I'll acknowledge that. But and now again where everybody's healthy, 90 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: and there's still not exactly clarity on mooney Ward yet either, 91 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: but literally lining up on the line of scrimmage with 92 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner, Mooney Ward and Kenny Moore. The second, how 93 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: does that allow you to mask not having it to 94 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: Forest Buckner? 95 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: Well, the whole the whole point about you know, rushing 96 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: or covering is we cannot look at them single. 97 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 3: They are always linked. 98 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: So the idea here is get that quarterback to hold 99 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: onto that ball a split second longer and good things 100 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: can happen. I actually have maintained all along. I think 101 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: that their defensive line is not far away from really 102 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: being very impactful. I actually think the number suggests that 103 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: they have been pretty impactful, even though I think on 104 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: a down to down basis there are times when maybe 105 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel that way. I think that's just the 106 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: NFL today. Quarterbacks make big plays, they're getting interference calls, 107 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: they're throwing the ball down the field. Look, that's just 108 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: the NFL. This is happening to every team. Okay, so 109 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 2: understand that part, and then to your point, I think 110 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: the bottom line is you can compensate for it a 111 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 2: little bit, for that loss of Buckner a little bit. 112 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: He's great, you can't mask it completely, but you can't 113 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: compensate a little bit with some really good coverage on 114 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: the back end. And from where they started this season, 115 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: at cornerback. So where they are now or where they 116 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: hope to be. I guess if mooney Ward comes back 117 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: this week, which seems hopeful. I mean, you're talking about 118 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: night and day. So this is a This is an 119 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: incredible opportunity for them to go out there and really 120 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: be dominant on the back end for maybe the first time. 121 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: Frankly, when you're eight and two, you don't have anywhere 122 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: near the amount of questions that other teams have, and 123 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: if there have been question marks, but the Colts, it's 124 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: been more on the defensive side than the offensive side 125 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: until the last couple of weeks, and all of a sudden, 126 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones has been seeing more pressure. Having time to 127 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: go back and watch these last two weeks, I know 128 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: that the conversation in terms of player and coaches pick 129 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: up as of tomorrow, but just with a little more 130 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: room in the rearview mirror thoughts on why suddenly there's 131 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: been a lot more traffic in and around Daniel Jones 132 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: in the backfield in the Pittsburgh game and in the 133 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: Falcons game. 134 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: It really defies logic, honestly, because I think going into 135 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: that Pittsburgh game, I personally I can attest to this, 136 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: or I mean, I guess admit to this. I was 137 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: on record saying I don't know if I've seen this 138 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: offensive line play better, and I mean over the years, 139 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: so over the last I don't know, decades or so. 140 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: I think, even going back to like the beginning of 141 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: the Quinton Nelson era for example, Like I was, I 142 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: was actually convinced this might have been the best performance 143 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: in that era, this offensive line, and we've thrown from 144 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: that to what we've seen the last two weeks. 145 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: It's not okay. 146 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: It's not acceptable, and I think the tackles in particular, 147 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: that's where I didn't expect the problem to be, and 148 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: that's where the problem has been. The two tackles. The 149 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: interior I think has been acceptable. I don't have a 150 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: big problem with that, but they're getting edge pressure. Look, 151 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: they faced some really good edge players, don't get me wrong. 152 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh certainly, and Atlanta you know, gave them all they 153 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: can handle as well. But that doesn't explain all of it. 154 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not as if other teams don't have 155 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: high end pass rushers. They have face high end pass rushers. 156 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: I mean, they played Denver, for crying out loud earlier 157 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: this year, right, So I don't I don't have a 158 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: good explanation for it. I want to say after the 159 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh game, I said, Okay, bad game. You know, maybe 160 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: they can maybe they can just put in a re mirror. 161 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: Maybe it's just a one off. The Atlanta game raises 162 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: the prospect that it was not, and that should be alarming. 163 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: And I think what also has to be addressed is 164 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: that in the midst of all of that, Daniel Jones 165 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: has to do a better job of holding onto the ball. Look, 166 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: he's getting just absolutely bombarded. I get that, and I'm 167 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: not blaming the victim here, but he's got to be 168 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: aware of what's happening, and when they're getting after him 169 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 2: like that, he's got to be smart and he's got 170 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: to get rid of the ball or hang on to 171 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: the And the last thing I would say is that 172 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: there have been a few instances, I think in the 173 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: last two games where he has held the ball in 174 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: the pocket a split second too long and that has 175 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: added to the problems that we are seeing as well. 176 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: So it is a collective issue. But I would go 177 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: back to the tackles being the starting point of all. 178 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: This let's get to award season, shall we. The realistic 179 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: I guess the percentage verbalize every want to say, just 180 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: how real is JT being an MVP? How legitimate is that? 181 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: Seven weeks left to go? 182 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: I think it's real. 183 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have to do more, though, and 184 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: which sounds crazy coming off the game that he just had, 185 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: But I just think the margin for error for a 186 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: running back to win that award is so slim, Like 187 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: he has to be dominant. You can't play the way 188 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: he played in the Berlin game every week, granted, right, 189 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: I mean that's the ridiculous, But I do think you 190 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: have to be pretty dominant consistently. You know, you look 191 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: at the Pittsburgh game the week before, and if you 192 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 2: have a couple of those back to back, now you're 193 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: the conversation fades and people were already probably not inclined 194 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: to vote for you as a as a running back, 195 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: and he could lose steam really quickly, right, So I 196 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: think it's really just going to boil down to consistency. 197 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: And I think this Kansas City game. 198 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: Is a great opportunity, Like a lot of the country 199 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: is going to be able to watch that game. I 200 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: think there's some anticipation clearly about you know, how the 201 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: Chiefs are going to perform. You know, there's gonna be 202 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: eyeballs on that game. You've got to go out there 203 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: and perform, I think at a really high level in 204 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: the games people are watching. They've got a Monday night 205 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: game next month, They've got a game at Seattle. I 206 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: imagine that's a game where there could be lots of millions, 207 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: you know, maybe millions of viewers. 208 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 3: For that game. 209 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: So what I would say is that's what he's got 210 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: to do. He's got to come through in the games 211 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: people are watching, and he's got to really just be 212 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: consistent overall. I do think it's still on the table. 213 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,599 Speaker 3: Though he is. I mean, what he's putting together is remarkable. 214 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: And then this season the likely suspects are personally not there, 215 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: you know, the Mahomes that they lose on Sunday. Are 216 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: we really talking about a five and six quarterback of 217 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 2: the five and six Chiefs being in the conversation? 218 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: What are we talking about? 219 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 4: Right? 220 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: So it's a perfect storm for him to do it 221 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: if he can, you know, not lose team. 222 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: On the flip side, I would a flip side, but 223 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: I guess, to a smaller scale, who is Tyler Warren 224 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: competing against for Rookie of the Year. 225 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: That's a great question himself, right, I don't know. I 226 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: mean he is he is really doing a great job. 227 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: I actually think I actually think that he is in 228 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: the running for All Pro at that position right now. 229 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: I mean, that's how good he's been this season. That's 230 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: a great question. Let's think about this. 231 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: I don't even know. 232 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: Who would who would really be who would really be 233 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: the the the leading candidates outside of him, I guess 234 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: it would beg Luca from Tampa Bay. 235 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: I believe it's a rookie correct, correct? 236 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: Right, So like he'd be. 237 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: One the what is the the Browns running back Judkins? 238 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 2: He's had a really interesting year. I mean, look there 239 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 2: they're the Browns and no one knows the kind of 240 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: season he's having, but he is having a really good season. 241 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: I think that's kind of it. And McMillan in Carolina's 242 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 2: having a good year, I think, quietly having a good year. 243 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: And Bryce Bryce Young by the way, really coming on. 244 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: So if Bryce Young finishes really strong, you got to 245 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: think McMillan would would be a big part of that. 246 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: So I think those are kind of the and I 247 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: believe it's offensive Rookie of. 248 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: The Year and correct correct, So. 249 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: So those would be his those would be his competitors. 250 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: But I mean, let's be honest, Kyler Warren's probably gonna 251 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: end up or very possibly could end up leading this 252 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: team in receptions and receiving yards and he's in effect 253 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: they're number one receiver many days. So that's a pretty 254 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: impressive thing to say about the offense that has been 255 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 2: pretty much the number one offense all season long. 256 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: Again, Steven Older ESPN joining us on the Java House 257 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line. It's Greg rakestrawe In for 258 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: Jake Query here on ninety three to five and one 259 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: oh seven five To the fan, What sense, if any, 260 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: can you make of the fact that the last two 261 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: times the Indianapolis Colts ken Seey Chiefs have played the 262 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts have been the. 263 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: Well, I think the only real takeaway because there's really 264 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 2: no connective tissue between those things. But I would say 265 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 2: the takeaway is that, you know, that's why they play 266 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: the games, right, And I know that's cliche and all that, 267 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: but but it says something about how you know, I think, 268 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: look at look at the Colts, right, they're eight and two, 269 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: and forget about this game, Let's talk about just in general. 270 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,119 Speaker 2: Like they're gonna have a couple of games against Houston, Jacksonville, 271 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: et cetera down the stretch, and they're gonna be heavily favored. 272 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: You would think, right, right, but we know better, we 273 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: know better. But but I guess what I'm saying is, look, 274 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: you gotta go out there, and you got to finish, 275 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: and you got to actually show up and do it. 276 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: That's all I can say. 277 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: And then, frankly, the other thing is is about rising 278 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: to the occasion too. There's there's something to be said 279 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: for getting up for a big game. And it's a 280 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: weird sort of deal, right. Michael Pittman was talking about 281 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: this last week, the fact that for the Colts, this 282 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: feels like a game that they're getting up for, like 283 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: it's a big game, that's a big challenge. They got 284 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: to go play this five hundred team on the road. 285 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: But that five hundred team happened to have been in 286 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: the last three Super Bowls, so they they actually don't 287 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: feel like the team that that's got the upper hand here. 288 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: They're kind of taking this underdog approach. I don't know 289 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: if anybody's buying it, but but that's kind of how 290 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: they're operating, and I think it's working for them. So 291 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: they don't they don't really feel themselves as being sort 292 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: of this this you know, this this favorite and this 293 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: this overbearing favorite from week to week. They still think 294 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: they got a lot to prove. That's a good thing. 295 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: Finally, before we let you go, and again I made 296 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: represents in the last second of the show. If if 297 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: someone is not on board with the Colts, it is 298 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: easy to look at their schedule and say, are right, 299 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: they're eight and two. Now, here's the seven teams that 300 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: are left. Maybe this is a ten win football team. 301 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: And every time we do predictions like these is in 302 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: in a vacuum. You never know who might miss for 303 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: getting injured, whether it's your team, their team, whatever the 304 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: case may be. Eight and two. Now, if you and 305 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: I are having this conversation on January the fifth, as 306 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: you see this team as it's built, now, how many 307 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: wins do you think they have after January the fourth? 308 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: So you're talking about in the playoffs. 309 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm talking about what is that regular season record going 310 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: to be going to the playoffs. 311 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: I got that's a great question. 312 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: I think they've got seven left. I think they've they've 313 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: got to win four of these last seven, which gets 314 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: you to. 315 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: Twelve, I think. 316 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: I think twelve is a really nice number and an 317 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 2: achievable number. I'm gonna give them some grace down the stretch. 318 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: I think they'll lose a couple of these and there's 319 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: there's too many pitfalls for it to not happen, you know, 320 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: and you're gonna have some teams that are scratching and clawing, 321 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: you know, desperation situations. You know, down the stretch, they're 322 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: gonna slip up. You know, we've already talked about them 323 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: missing the Force Buckner. So I'm gonna give them some grace. 324 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: But getting to twelve gets you a whole lot right now. 325 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: So I think that will they be the number one seed? 326 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll see that they got the work 327 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: cut out for them, but I see them winning the 328 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: division and being, you know, one of those top seeds 329 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: in the AFC. If they can just finish the job, 330 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: then that's going to be the key. 331 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for the time of the inside, my friend. I'll 332 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: see to mark the complex, all right. 333 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 3: You got it again. 334 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: That is Stephen Holder of ESPN, and he is joining 335 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: us courtesy of the Java House Peel and Poor Guest line. 336 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: The team because they've only had one buy that in 337 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: fact has sole possession of first place in the Big 338 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: Ten at eleven and zero would be the Indiana Hoosiers 339 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: and the man the chronicles all Things Hoosierdom for the 340 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: Indianapolis Star is Zach Osterman, who joins us now on 341 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and Poor Guest line. Good afternoon, 342 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: my friend. 343 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 3: How are you? 344 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 4: I'm good? How about you? 345 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm good. Of all of the various stats factoids that 346 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: can leave you slack job of at Indiana football, maybe 347 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: is the one that we can almost like win. Judge 348 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: a twenty four point win against wiscon So does that 349 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: like rank high up on the list because we were 350 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: seemingly bored by only beating Wisconsin by twenty four points? 351 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 4: It is a very how the other half lives moment, 352 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 4: you know, like I had somebody on just kind of 353 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 4: like in the the Indiana football sort of orbit post 354 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 4: game Saturday, say it felt like an Ohio State win. 355 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 4: Where there are you know if you watch like an 356 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 4: eleven twelve win Ohio State season. There are three or 357 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 4: four games like this where you find yourself walking away saying, 358 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 4: I'm not sure if they played well. I'm not sure 359 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 4: if they looked tired or disengaged, or is it that 360 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 4: they just knew they could soft pedal or they got 361 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 4: the other team's best effort or whatever. You kind of 362 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 4: gave away thinking, well, that was less than I expected, 363 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 4: and yet still well more than showed a ton of weakness. 364 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 4: I think there are some things that you know, Indiana 365 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 4: over the last several weeks might want to try and 366 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 4: improve here on the bye week and then again whatever 367 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 4: gap they get between the Big Ten championship game for 368 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 4: whom and they're in it and they're starting the playoff. 369 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, it just it felt, you know, 370 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 4: very much like the workman like forgettable wins that fill 371 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 4: the season like this. 372 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: Strkely well, frankly again, one blown defensive assignment. The only 373 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: reason that Wisconsin scored and Indiana could pump the ball 374 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: away on the plus side of the fifty because they 375 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: knew their defense was getting a bout more points. Again, 376 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: very efficient in beating Wisconsin for a third consecutive time. 377 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: All right, so much, you know what. Because of you 378 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: and I know each others as well as we do, 379 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: I can try to go kind of rando on the 380 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: questions and they lead to some great results. So here's 381 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: one thing that struck me in watching the game on 382 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: Saturday is that there have been all of these renovations 383 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: Memorial Stadium and now we're hitting Max's capacity pretty easily. 384 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: Has there been any talk about trying to find a 385 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: way to expand Memorial Stadium? Merchants bank Field? Mind you 386 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: at Memorial Stadium? Could there be more seats in that 387 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: stadium's future? 388 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 4: Zach, I'm not sure. You know, Scott Dolson has made 389 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 4: it clear that his next long term capital project is 390 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 4: a substantial renovation of Memorial Stadium. Those things, you know, 391 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 4: do take longer. Now, realistically, you are you know, if 392 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 4: you're funneling ten fifteen to twenty million donor dollars year, 393 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 4: you're into a collective. You know, it's I know that 394 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 4: doesn't seem like much, But if you're paying for a 395 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 4: I don't know, a two hundred million dollars stadium renovation 396 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 4: over twenty years, that's ten million dollars a year. That 397 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 4: ten million might be going to nil now. So it's 398 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 4: just gonna take a little bit longer to get some 399 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 4: of that together. I think that's one reason why. You know, 400 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 4: it certainly seemed just kind of reading the room like 401 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 4: Indiana was was happy to sort of fall in line 402 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 4: on the private capital discussions that I think this week 403 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 4: have kind of hit some snags at the Big Ten level. 404 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what all is going to go 405 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 4: into the scope of that. I think that the the 406 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 4: the big thing, that the one big ticket item I'm 407 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 4: pretty confident as in when Indiana moves forward on that 408 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 4: is going to be press box renovation slash premium seating, 409 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 4: and obviously you know those are a little bit one 410 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 4: and the same. I think you're going to see some 411 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 4: premium seating areas that they try to open up in 412 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 4: other areas of the stadium. We've seen obviously the suites 413 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 4: that they've put together in the South End zone that 414 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 4: are similar to the ones that they have like the 415 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 4: Big Ten championship game and at some playoff games and 416 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 4: things just like the on field stuff. But I think 417 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 4: they probably like to carve out some small areas, like 418 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 4: within the seating bowl for a little bit more premium 419 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 4: type seating. I'm not sure exactly how they do that. 420 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 4: I am confident that they want to replace that press box. 421 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 4: I don't say this lightly. It may very well be 422 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 4: the worst in the Big ten, certainly now that Penn 423 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 4: State has demolished the bandbox that it had at Beaver 424 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 4: Stadium and rebuilt something modern. On the other side, Indiana 425 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 4: is well behind the times there. And that's not just 426 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 4: press complaining. You know. Most of that is donor seating. 427 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 4: Four is donor seating, five is pressed, six is donor seating, 428 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 4: and then seven is a broadcast area. So if you 429 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 4: if you demolish that and expand it, that's probably going 430 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 4: to be more revenue. That's going to be more again 431 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 4: luxury seating or premium seating. I think Indiana would really 432 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 4: like to tackle that. I have heard rumors about expanding seating, 433 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 4: I think in particular possibly adding a second deck on 434 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 4: the east side, which is the assembly hall side. I 435 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 4: don't know how true that is. I don't even know 436 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 4: how feasible that is given the ground over there, and 437 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 4: you'd have to do all kinds of like engineering impact studies. 438 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 4: But that is I think been much more in sort 439 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 4: of the Hey, wouldn't it be cool if Indiana did 440 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 4: this realm of chatter rather than something that I am 441 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 4: confident in saying would be part of any renovation. 442 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: Again, Zach Austraman Anddianapolis Starr on the Java House, Peel 443 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: and poor guest line, Greg Ranks raw and for ja 444 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: Query ninety three to five and one oh seven five 445 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: the fans. So the next one needs a little build 446 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: up here. We're a couple three weeks away from Indiana, 447 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: Kentucky playing in a regular season basketball game for the 448 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: first time since the Watch shot, for the first time 449 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: in fourteen years. Yet remarkably, that game might get trumped 450 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: by Fernando Mendozo winning the Heisman. Which of those events 451 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: are you covering, Zach? Are you going to New York 452 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: City for a Heisman? Are you doing IU in UK? 453 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good question, and I don't know if 454 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 4: we have a firm answer yet. To be honest with you, 455 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 4: I think I mean, like, there's been a hotel booked 456 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 4: in Lexington for a while, just because we can plan 457 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 4: those things out, and that's a drive so it's a 458 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 4: little bit easier to move around. But I'm honestly not 459 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 4: sure of the answer because I think it you know, 460 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 4: until recently, Fernanda Mendoza felt like a contender, but maybe 461 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 4: not the contender or one of the you know, sort 462 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 4: of smallest group of leading contenders. I think that has 463 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 4: certainly changed in the last two or three weeks. You know, 464 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 4: you and I can sit here and debate the merits 465 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 4: and the flaws of the Heisman, but the reality is 466 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 4: that he is starting to meet you know, some of 467 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 4: the not just the numbers, but the moments. I think 468 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 4: that that tend to kind of compose a Heisman resume 469 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 4: in insofar as what it's going to look like this year. 470 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 4: I think there's gonna be some conversation about everybody's stats 471 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 4: being deflated. I think there's going to be some conversation 472 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 4: about the way that coaches are handling players in a 473 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 4: playoff era when they know that there's not just one 474 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 4: or maybe two games on the other side of the 475 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 4: regular season. But if you're Indiana or Ohio State, you're 476 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 4: open to plan for a big jog championship game. You're 477 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 4: open to plans for three playoff games. You know, that's 478 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 4: the fifteen game season. There's gonna be some of these 479 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 4: teams that are gonna be looking at a potential sixteen 480 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 4: game season. You know, I think there's been more sort 481 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 4: of shortening games, benching guys late, you know, leaving leaving 482 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 4: some numbers on the field in favor of kind of 483 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 4: grabbing almost just like saying, like, if we can grab 484 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 4: a couple of games out of your legs, a couple 485 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 4: of games where the hits out of your you know, 486 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 4: your your body and your arm and whatever else, We're 487 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 4: going to do that. And I think it's it's you know, 488 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 4: that's a wider philosophical discussion, but I think that where 489 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 4: Fernando Mendoza is right now, and as much as this, 490 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 4: as much as this specific award is driven by a 491 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 4: narrative that just sort of develops organically across course of 492 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 4: the season, that narrative this year feeling more and more 493 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 4: like the winner of the Big Ten championship game gets 494 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 4: the Heisman Trophy. Two. It does feel like that is 495 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 4: a very like Indiana fans might need two TV in 496 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 4: the living room on Saturday. 497 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: Night, which is a good just just bonkers to say 498 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: that out loud and not get a laugh out of 499 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: the building. In terms of saying it final thing before 500 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: we let you go, And again, this is hitting the 501 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: fast forward button. Fernando Mendoza is going to lead this charge. 502 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: But as you're sitting down to watch the NFL Draft 503 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: at the end of April, any Indiana Hoosiers, do you 504 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: think get their name? Comes's only first round, I mean 505 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: rounds one through seven. How many draftable players has Kurt 506 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: Signetti put together on this roster in Bloomington. 507 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to just kind of catalog quickly and 508 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 4: allow for maybe one or two guys that are fringe picked. Sure, 509 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 4: because I think there's going to be a couple where 510 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 4: the decision to do one more year versus go ahead 511 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 4: and you know, get into the NFL is going to 512 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 4: be real. Fifty to fifty I would say probably drafted specifically, 513 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 4: because I think there's a few more that'll that'll you know, 514 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 4: grab on to UFA contracts training camp invites drafted, I 515 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 4: would say, just off the top of my head, one, two, 516 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 4: maybe at least four, possibly more than that. And again 517 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 4: that's that is being conservative. That is allowing for a 518 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 4: couple of guys that maybe are you know, not going 519 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 4: to measure out well and they're going to need to 520 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,719 Speaker 4: take a to sort of take the chance when they 521 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 4: get to, you know, like a training camp that's allowing 522 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 4: for one or two guys that maybe come back, that 523 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 4: could go. But say the nil number, the opportunity to 524 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 4: boot my stock one more time really couldn't have hurt. 525 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 4: I would say at least four, and I wouldn't be 526 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 4: shocked if the number is ultimately higher than that, because 527 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 4: I think there are guys on this team. You know, 528 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 4: I'm reaching for some of the obvious when gle like 529 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 4: Mendoza or Aidan Fisher or D'Angelo ponds. But it's also 530 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 4: not hard to convince me somebody like Roman Himby or EJ. Williams, 531 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 4: you know, gets into a combined setting or a pro 532 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 4: day setting, puts some really impressive numbers up and convinces 533 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 4: somebody there worth a late round flyer too. 534 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: Do you think this is final final thing? Because I'm 535 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: gonna do the broadcasting and lie about saying it's final, question, 536 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: think of one more. Is it some sort of cosmic 537 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: or karmic balance that the Indiana Hoosiers can't lose in 538 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: football and Liverpool has lost five times in the Premier League? 539 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: E zact, what's going on here? 540 00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 3: No? 541 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 4: I think I'm I think that's the think. I think 542 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 4: what Indiana is doing is much more Lester City than Liverpool, 543 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 4: which if you look at it's going a lot worse there. 544 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 4: So if, if, if, if, somehow the blood floe has 545 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 4: been completely redirected, then I would look I would look 546 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 4: more toward the King Power Stadium than I would anfield 547 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 4: at this moment in time. 548 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: I will try to see if I can get a 549 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: fame tenor to sing at the next Indiana homes forty 550 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: evant to celebrate for the Indiana Who's just the way 551 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: Lester did some decade ago. Thanks the time on and 552 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: off day. My friend will catch up soon. 553 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 4: Absolutely, thanks for having me as always. 554 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: Zach Austaman again joining us on the Java House Peel 555 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: and poor guest line. When you are the substitute teacher, 556 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: the key to do with the show is have really 557 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: good guests. That has been the case for the entirety 558 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: of the one o'clock hour, that continues into the two 559 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: o'clock hour of the program. I'll try to figure out 560 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: a way to get us the final forty five minutes 561 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: are so home for the rest of the show before 562 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: JMB takes over here at three o'clock. My name is 563 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: Greg Reikstraw fielding in for j Query. It's not a 564 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: three to five and one seven to five the fan 565 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: for a final time. Today we go to the Java House, 566 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line. It is Scott Agnes of 567 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: Fieldhouse Files who joins us. Now, Hello, my friend. 568 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: How are you? 569 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 2: Hello? 570 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 3: Rake? 571 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: Doing well? How about you? I'm good? I know that 572 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: you feel the content gods have largely been good to 573 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: you in twenty twenty five, given a run to the 574 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: NBA Finals, given the continued interest in the Indiana Fever, 575 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: even without again Caitlyn Clark for a good chunk of 576 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: the season. Apparently the fate of good fortune has ended, 577 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: given how the last you know, five six weeks have gone. 578 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: What is it like to go from such a switch 579 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 1: of reality from Father's Day weekend till now with the 580 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers. 581 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a remarkable shift, it really is. I mean, 582 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 5: you have a game last night and social media not 583 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 5: very active. Those that are obviously and understandably so upset. 584 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 5: I mean, the worst start in franchise history. And yet 585 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 5: at the same time, some of it is understandable. 586 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 3: Rake. 587 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 5: Obviously with all the injuries and far too many injuries 588 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 5: than any team should have to put up with in 589 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 5: an entire season. But to me, what compounds the issue is. 590 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 5: To me, it's the details. It's some of the levels 591 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 5: of play. It's two games ago against the Raptors giving 592 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 5: up thirty points in the paint in one quarter. It's 593 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 5: the turnovers last night with twenty one. So as a 594 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 5: whole to the big picture, Yet is a dramatic shift 595 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 5: going from this central hub of basketball where Pacers it's 596 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 5: the high of highs, and then you go right into 597 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 5: a fever season. And then I've reiterated it feels like 598 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 5: this last six months or so, I've furthered my degree 599 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 5: in sports injury history, and that's not a good thing 600 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 5: I don't like. 601 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: All Right, So have you shouted out to let your 602 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: attention start too focus to whom the Pacers are taking 603 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: in the NBA Draft in June. Have you gotten that 604 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: point yet? 605 00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 4: No? 606 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 5: I have not, And here's why. One not to this extreme, certainly, 607 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 5: But the Pacers kind of went through this injury bug 608 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,959 Speaker 5: last year, very reminiscent, with several starters out nim Hard Halliburton, 609 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 5: Nie Smith, all of those guys missing time to the 610 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 5: point where I still remember a November game in Houston 611 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 5: were a two way guard named Quintin Jackson, who's still 612 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 5: with them. Obviously, was the gott in the starting lineup 613 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 5: and was their top score. So to me, what I'm 614 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 5: looking for is the next dozen games. It's kind of 615 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 5: the make or break to me, right, you'll be by 616 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 5: then twenty six games in, you'll be approaching Christmas time. 617 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 5: There's some very winnable games during that stretch. If things 618 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 5: stay off the rails a little bit over the next 619 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 5: dozen games, do not improve significantly, then I turn my 620 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 5: attention to what's next. But I'd like to see a 621 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 5: much bigger sample size to better understand whether this team 622 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 5: could you know, win an NBA Finals or the other 623 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 5: side of it, if you just got to, you know, 624 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 5: scratch and put band aids over the rest of the 625 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 5: season and have the front office and scouts really lock 626 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 5: in for next summer. 627 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: I am of the opinion there is not some sort 628 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: of blockbuster move coming because again, the team you built 629 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: for this year is frank the team you have in 630 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: your contract for next year, and the team you have 631 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: the contract for the year after that too, with the 632 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: obvious exception of Benedict Matherin. So with that as the caveat. 633 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: Do you see any sort of moves and not by 634 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: moves in terms of bringing you know, ten day contract guys, 635 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: because obviously we have seen that hardship contracts, etc. Do 636 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: you see a trade at all for this team this year? 637 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: Not yet. 638 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 3: No. 639 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 5: I don't see it being a situation like we saw 640 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 5: early last year when they were without a center and 641 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 5: desperately needed something and went out and acquired Thomas Bryant 642 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 5: and then later picking up Tony Bradley and such. I 643 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 5: think again, I'll go back to that dozen games or 644 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 5: so because to your point, then if you know this 645 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 5: season isn't at all competitive, then you might think about 646 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 5: moving on and seeing if there's any deals that makes 647 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 5: sense for both teams. I don't think there's any assets 648 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 5: on this roster right now, Craig that you immediately look 649 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 5: to trade or whatever. 650 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: I think. 651 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 5: For example, Matherin's the obvious name, but I think both 652 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 5: sides want to see what this season can entail. And 653 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 5: last night was just Matherin's third game, and if he 654 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 5: really breaks out and maybe he becomes a pillar for 655 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 5: this franchise moving forward. On the other side, maybe it's 656 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 5: just not a good fit. The playing styles, all of that, 657 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 5: and they do decide to move on knowing also the 658 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 5: other thing they have to keep in mind, not just 659 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 5: next year, but future years, is how much money they've 660 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 5: committed and where. Because they got Pascal Siakam on a 661 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 5: max contract, you have Tyrese Haliburton on a max contract. 662 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 5: You just gave Nie Smith the extension. All their guys 663 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 5: except for really Miles Turner got new money in the 664 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 5: last two years, and so you got to forecast that 665 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 5: out about three years. And where does Matherin fit in? 666 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 5: I think that will be a better question to be 667 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 5: answered in January. 668 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: Scott Agnes again, field House Files and the Java House, 669 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest Line, Greg Reikstraw and for Jake 670 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: Querit a ninety three to five and one seven to 671 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: five of the Fan. But again you're asking guys to 672 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: do different things than they were as the parts were 673 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: assembled last year. Again kind of a qualifier before I 674 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: give you the question, who are the guys you are 675 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: most concerned with with regression that you have seen so 676 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: far this season? 677 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 5: I would say from a regression standpoint, I would I 678 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 5: would the first guy that comes to mind is a 679 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 5: Ben Sheppard and you are right. One of the things 680 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 5: that has challenged this entire roster is they've all had 681 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 5: to do a lot more. The first guy, I think 682 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 5: of his Pascal Siakom in that respect, and from a 683 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 5: leadership standpoint, from the on court workload, from playing more 684 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 5: minutes than maybe he would like to. I mean, they'd 685 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 5: like to keep him around thirty minutes. He's been playing 686 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 5: thirty six and thirty four. But from the other and 687 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 5: I guess, probably quite frankly, would be Isaiah Jack with 688 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 5: the caveat being he is just one year exactly removed 689 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 5: from that Achille so I'd probably give him another three 690 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 5: month buffer to work his way back. That probably me 691 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 5: being a little too cautious and optimistic and such, but 692 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 5: those Achilles injuries are nasty. But to me it's probably 693 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 5: been Shepherd Jaris Walker. I don't know if he's regressed. 694 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 5: He just hasn't risen to the moment it's felt too 695 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 5: big or a little bit uncomfortable. I think maybe it 696 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 5: goes back to a little bit what Pascal Siakam Greg 697 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 5: was saying the other day was guy's got to play 698 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 5: more confident in their own game, in what they're doing. 699 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 5: Being more assured of themselves, because when they're not, the 700 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 5: passes are getting intercepted or they're they're overthinking everything. And 701 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 5: we talk about this all the time right in sports, 702 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 5: is when you're overthinking out there, you're not playing free 703 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 5: and things just get held up. And it feels like 704 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 5: that's a lot of what is transpired right now with 705 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 5: this group. 706 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: I touched on this, you know, in terms of things 707 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: they're keeping me interested of this group. Obviously, Matherin's development 708 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: is one, Jeris Walker's development is two. Probably third is 709 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: Johnny Furfey. And obviously, you know from an injury stanmdpoint, 710 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: we kind of have something of a timeline for Obi Toppin, 711 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: something of a timeline for Aaron Nesmith, even though it's 712 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: more recent. What exactly are we hearing on on furfee situation? 713 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, So, so Furfey had a re injury right of 714 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 5: certain things and a player that right now, he's exactly 715 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 5: who you would want to be out there that could 716 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 5: really maximize this time and take full advantage of that, 717 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 5: but unfortunately he remains out dealing with that left ankle sprain. 718 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 5: After just kind of tweaking that. I think we don't 719 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 5: have any exact timeline, you're right about that. I would 720 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 5: suspect a couple more weeks on that only because we 721 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 5: haven't gotten any update, we haven't seen him work out 722 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 5: on the court and something like that. You got to 723 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 5: be ultimately, ultimately cautious with I think one of the 724 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,959 Speaker 5: moving forward questions will be once Aaron Nesmith misses another game, 725 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 5: then the team becomes eligible for another hardship exception. Do 726 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 5: they utilize that and in what direction they go. But 727 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 5: of the names on this roster that I would love 728 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 5: to be seeing, Johnny Furphy absolutely rakes number one of 729 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 5: guys that could really help them right now and could 730 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 5: really benefit from this this hole where they need somebody, 731 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 5: anybody to step up. But he's just been unavailable. 732 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 3: Again. 733 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: You're not ready to kind of cut made on this 734 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: season yet, you say, hey, give it kind of one 735 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: more month and then we can have the conversation. A 736 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: lot of us and I raise my hand. I thought 737 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: this to be a forty five or forty six win team. 738 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: I really did going into the course of the season. 739 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: Now I'm not sure how many games it would take 740 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 1: for this Grip to win forty five or forty six games. 741 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: How Finally, before I let you go, how are you 742 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: altering season projections based on what has happened these first 743 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: fourteen games. 744 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, mostly significantly, significantly altering it just because of player 745 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 5: health and availability. When they're constantly missing starters out of 746 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 5: the mix. You're going to see Aeron Niesmith miss about 747 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 5: a month here with a left MCL sprain. That's nasty. 748 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 5: Obi Toppins stress fracture in his foot. We won't hear 749 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 5: about him until a month into next year. That redirects 750 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 5: and changes everything absolutely. Because I was right there with you, 751 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 5: I thought, even without Haliburton, I think the over under 752 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 5: was about thirty six thirty seven wins, and to me 753 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 5: that was laughable. Me, Rick Carlo's gonna have this. Yeah, 754 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 5: Rick Carlo's gonna have this team over forty without a doubt. Well, 755 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 5: that's obviously given decent health, and they've been giving horrible health. 756 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 5: So I think that number under is looking really good 757 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 5: right now. The challenge is they just got to get 758 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 5: through the next month and a half, two months you 759 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 5: get into next year. The real question then becomes, rake, 760 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 5: is it too late? And what do you do about it? 761 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 5: Moving forward? 762 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: Again? General thought is is that as tough as this 763 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: is to Palette. The worst mistake is to overreact and 764 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 1: trade away key pieces, and I don't think that's gonna 765 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: have in Scott To you, I do not know. 766 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 5: I think they really are comfortable with this core, with 767 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 5: this group that got them there, not just last year, 768 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,760 Speaker 5: but the year before that in the Eastern Conference finals. 769 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 5: And I think part of what maybe what we're seeing 770 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 5: is the after effects of the long seasons of the 771 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 5: playing style, the extra possessions, the playing and pressuring full court. Look, 772 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 5: they've been doing something differently than most of the league 773 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 5: for the last three seasons. It's not just last year 774 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 5: when most of the basketball fans took notice, Oh this 775 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 5: team from Indiana. Why are they pressuring full court or 776 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 5: why is their possessions up so much? I wonder in 777 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 5: a greater study, is that a big contribution about what's 778 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 5: going on? And then, of course, reaching the very last 779 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 5: day of the finals last year in game seven, really 780 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 5: cuts into your offseason by about two months, which directly 781 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 5: impacts rehab and recovery and the reset, because by September one, 782 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,919 Speaker 5: this team was down in Orlando with a player's only 783 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 5: mini camp, getting the season unofficially started down there. So 784 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 5: there's a lot they got to figure out on the fly. 785 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 5: But yes, you do not overreact in the good times. 786 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 5: It's like the stock market. When things are going great, 787 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 5: you don't overreact in the same thing when things are 788 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,240 Speaker 5: going terribly. 789 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: All right, what's new on field House Files, Buddy? Yeah, 790 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: I got a big. 791 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 5: Notebook coming out here with a variety of things that 792 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 5: I think fans will be very interested in, a lot 793 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 5: of different bullet points. And one thing I did want 794 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 5: to mention on the way out, just because maybe it's 795 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 5: because he was behind the scenes and an unfamiliar name, 796 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 5: but we lost Kevin Mackie in the last week, and 797 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,839 Speaker 5: obviously you know from the college basketball area. I knew 798 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 5: from the Pacers he was a scout for more than 799 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 5: two decades. But touching on him as well, and he 800 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 5: was just man. I love sitting next to him anytime 801 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 5: and picking his brain about anything because he just loved 802 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 5: talking hoops and he loved Lan Stevenson. 803 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: Some people are natural storytellers. That man was one of them. 804 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,439 Speaker 1: God rest his soul. Absolutely, I'm very glad you brought 805 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: that up. Thanks Scotty, we'll talk soon, Okay, Thank you, 806 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: Rach Scott Agnes Again, field House files our guest and yes, 807 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Mackie, an integral part of PACER's success of years 808 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: gone by as a scout, and Kevin obviously forever known 809 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: as being the guy that led one of the great 810 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,240 Speaker 1: NCAA tournament upsets of all time, of which the Indiana 811 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: Hoosiers fell victim to the anniversary of that being forty 812 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: years ago comes up this March, when number fourteen Cleveland 813 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,359 Speaker 1: State beat the third seed at Indiana Hoosiers the year 814 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: before they won their last national championship in nineteen eighty seven.