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Speaker 1: Tony will also pull up his information from his forty

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Speaker 1: Ed Pinkney. But before we do all of that, family,

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Speaker 1: we got to get these classroom doors opens, and Kevin

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Speaker 1: has the keys as usual, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson. We're moving all of the

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Speaker 2: because we're gonna have a lot happening.

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Speaker 3: And I got a new chair here in the studio too.

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Speaker 1: Man congratulator hergo.

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Speaker 2: Nami, I'm ready, I'm ready, ready to roll.

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Speaker 3: How you feeling, Carl Nelson?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Kevin, and I'm going to learn a

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: You've turned learning into an art form, I must say,

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Speaker 2: you know, right up there with Jean Michel Bascriacht.

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Speaker 3: And Wow and Picasso. See what I did there?

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Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, look's going on in the news this morning.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's what's happening, Carl.

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Speaker 2: Remember the poem over the river and through the woods

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Speaker 2: Little tougher now because the US orders ten percent of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because forty airports, that's a lot. This is about

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Speaker 2: At least find a way to manage your attitude and everything,

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Speaker 2: Well, and maybe they'll put one of the armed officers,

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Speaker 1: Been going It's gone good. You see Kevin Haddy some music.

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Speaker 4: Shit, because only I can tell you it's going down.

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Speaker 4: So we were in a real dog fight, I tell you,

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Speaker 1: I tell you, I hold up the right there. Rab,

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Speaker 4: I was extremely surprised, but it looked like to me

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Speaker 4: So that's why I'm out there and I tell my people.

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Speaker 4: So that's how my people are and I respect that well.

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Speaker 4: And the young folks are they clown They were working

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Speaker 4: They just want to do something, you know. And and

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Speaker 4: You're talking about people. Man. People were so excited the

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Speaker 1: For a second, this guy, let me join for a

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Speaker 1: just waking up. I guess it's reverend Ed Pinckney from

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Speaker 4: I believe there's two things, one of the economy and

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Speaker 4: the economy has always been bad in Bening Harvard, So

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Speaker 4: See that's something that you're talking about war that would

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Speaker 4: And the overall attitude the people scared. They don't know

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Speaker 4: it might be. We're not in a dog fight for

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Speaker 4: Well, it all depends on whether you're a Republican or

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Speaker 1: What's the important say that again for the folks in

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Speaker 4: The room is more rare states that are poor than

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Speaker 4: Have you never been up there? They got dirt floors.

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Speaker 4: That's what they do. That's what they real about. Because

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Speaker 1: And rev you know what. The news meeting is part

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Speaker 4: Your thoughts, what they're doing, they will to make sure

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Speaker 4: They they they okay, But the problem is with dad.

434
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Speaker 4: Even here invention Heiberd, I would say maybe for the

435
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Speaker 4: white people living and ben own food stamps. They poor,

436
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Speaker 4: they don't have a car, they don't need they're poor.

437
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Speaker 4: And and when I talk about that, people don't under see.

438
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Speaker 4: The news media is probably really one of the black

439
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 4: men enemy. They don't do nothing to help us. If

440
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 4: you see a white person give away a lollipop, they

441
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 4: have it on TV. He trying to help the community.

442
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 4: They doing this to help them, but in reality they're

443
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Speaker 4: the one who's just throwing the whole community. So we

444
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Speaker 4: have to make sure that we understand the problem. A

445
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Speaker 4: lot of times we just don't understand the problem because

446
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Speaker 4: we don't think this concerns out longer. You you know,

447
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 4: we had those snaps and so were cool, and just

448
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 4: like white folks longer they had them snaps, they cool.

449
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Speaker 4: You should hear some of the stuff these white folks

450
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Speaker 4: are saying. When they come to my church. They be talking,

451
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Speaker 4: they be talking stuff. They said no, they said no,

452
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, o't voting for him? I said yeah, it's

453
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Speaker 4: little link now, but uh, you know, I just don't

454
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Speaker 4: cost of people who got it for him, because I

455
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Speaker 4: can't trust them.

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Speaker 1: At twenty nine away from the topic, I guessed the

457
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Speaker 1: reverend ed Pickney from Benjon Harber in Michigan. Have you

458
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Speaker 1: said you you live next door to a Trump ste

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Speaker 1: Have you seen him since said all this.

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Speaker 6: Down?

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Speaker 4: Uh? The other day, me and my wife was in

462
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Speaker 4: the car and I drove, I drove Satan to my garage.

463
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Speaker 4: I didn't I don't want him to wave at me.

464
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Speaker 4: I didn't want him to do nothing. You see now

465
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Speaker 4: he feels so bad. Things were so bad that he

466
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Speaker 4: got two nixed children. We got two nixed children. People

467
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 4: been they've been ow them now, all because of those

468
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 4: Trump sides. That was in the yard the kids. That

469
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Speaker 4: really shocked me. When I heard that. That grew my man.

470
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Speaker 4: I said, well you can't. You can't attack the children,

471
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Speaker 4: and they said, well, now we.

472
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Speaker 5: Just tease them.

473
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Speaker 4: Tea of them that's attacking them, don't do it. Asked

474
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Speaker 4: him not to do it because the bus stopped in

475
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Speaker 4: front of my house for them, And I said, I

476
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 4: asked him not to do it. But I guess what

477
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 4: blew my man about him. He feels he really in

478
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 4: had now you know, he's really probably now see the

479
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Speaker 4: light how that his boat affected his here, his children.

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Speaker 4: His wife is white here, he'll billy excuse expression, but

481
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Speaker 4: she Heke's from the hills that way, and uh uh

482
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Speaker 4: uh she uh and she I'm pretty sure she's out

483
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Speaker 4: over there smiling after what happened to her children. You know.

484
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Speaker 4: So if he is, she got a minimal problem because

485
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Speaker 4: I don't see nobody attacking children for no reason. There's

486
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Speaker 4: not a reason in the world that that you should

487
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Speaker 4: be attacking him because what his parents did that to mean,

488
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Speaker 4: that's that's that He's the whole purpose right there. But

489
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Speaker 4: we we have to kill people. We have to stand

490
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Speaker 4: up and fight and and and show these people when

491
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 4: you see something that's not right, you got to address it.

492
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Speaker 4: I don't care if my if it was my cousin,

493
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Speaker 4: it is my brother, I'm gonna kill them. I said, no,

494
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Speaker 4: we don't do that like that, you know. And I

495
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: just try to explain to them, tell them what's going on.

496
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Speaker 4: And just like on TV, they always show black people

497
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 4: then shot somebody, and then it's more white people shooting

498
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 4: people than black people. People don't even know that indeed,

499
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Speaker 4: white fol there is more of them out here shooting,

500
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Speaker 4: killing and all this kind of stuff. And but they

501
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 4: if you see one period lege guy ge, they have

502
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 4: to put his picture all on t They don't go

503
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 4: white folk picture on TV see not up here and

504
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 4: you know, but uh, they don't do it. But we

505
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 4: just make sure that they understand that we're not gonna

506
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Speaker 4: sit back here and allow you, allow you to degrade

507
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 4: our people. They don't even talk to me no more,

508
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: the news leaders because they know that I'm not happy.

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00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty six away from the top. If he's just

510
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: waking up family, I guess is Reverend Ed Pinckney. He's

511
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Speaker 1: in Benson, Harvard, Michigan. He's an activist, Reverend Pinckney the mayor.

512
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Speaker 1: You guys have issues with the mayor. Has he said

513
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Speaker 1: anything about the election results?

514
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Speaker 4: No, he didn't hide cause it's really it's really an

515
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: attack on him. Also because I feel with you. When

516
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 4: we was at the post, they were channing recall the mayor,

517
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Speaker 4: Recall the mayor, Recall the mayor, and it was a

518
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: lot of people and they were coming out, they were

519
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: channing people coming out from recall the mayor. And he

520
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 4: was right there. You know, he's looking because he's trying

521
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 4: to get people motivated to vote for his candidates and nobody.

522
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Speaker 4: I mean, it was terrible. It was terrible. It was

523
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Speaker 4: and right in front of the date. But we have

524
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 4: to make sure that we're doing all the things were

525
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: supposed to do, you know. And black folks, I will

526
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 4: never understand it. How would you sit back there, all

527
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 4: the hell that black people have been through, Why would

528
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: you sit back here and allow stuff to happen to

529
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 4: not just our community right now, but our children in

530
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 4: the future. That's what they're doing. That's why they're manufacturing

531
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 4: these sound boats. They're manufacturing them, makeing them, get giving

532
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: them a few dollars, and then that makes them think

533
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 4: that they're better than the next verse, which makes no

534
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Speaker 4: sense to me. Money don't make you better. It's your heart,

535
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: you see. You gotta have a heart for people. But

536
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 4: you know, uh, they that's what they do. What they're

537
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 4: doing is all over the country. It's not just here

538
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 4: and in benin Aarbory. It's not just in Houston, Texas.

539
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 4: It's not just in Oklahoma City. It's all over the country.

540
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 4: They give up a black person who's motivated by money.

541
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 4: Then they to be the humanitarian. This is what happened.

542
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: So we're in a fight. Well, like, oh, will fight,

543
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 4: and here's the good news. You can win. I think

544
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 4: what happened on Tuesdays demonstrate that we can win against

545
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 4: all their money. And we did it. We spank, we

546
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 4: splin him good.

547
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Speaker 1: And now oh, I thought right there past the Pinckney.

548
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: We got to take a short break here. We gotta

549
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: check the traffic and weather and the news actually in

550
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: our different cities. When we come back and we'll talk

551
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: some more. Family, you two can get in on this

552
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: conversation with the reverend Ed Pinckney from Benton Harbor and Michigan.

553
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: You can reach us at eight hundred four or five

554
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

555
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: calls after the news. That's next and Grant Rising family,

556
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: thanks for waking up with us on this Thursday morning.

557
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Speaker 1: I guess is the reverend Ed Pinckney from Benton Harbor, Michigan.

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Speaker 1: The Reverend Pinkney is an activisty in that city. All

559
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: the folks know him because he's always out in front

560
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: looking out for our folks.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to there. Let me just remind

563
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Speaker 1: you come up later this morning. We're go and speak with

564
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Speaker 1: Tony Bradley. Tony's, of course a chemotologis he's going to

565
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: talk about the tempted eratio of African and African American history.

566
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Speaker 1: Before we hear from brother Tony, we're going to speak

567
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Speaker 1: with doctor Paul Smithy. He's one of the our civil

568
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: rights icons who march with Doctor King. He's going to

569
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Speaker 1: share a story with us with concerning LBJ. So this

570
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: is going to be interesting. Those are your history buffs

571
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: will know what I'm talking about. Also, Tomorrow's Friday, We're

572
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: going to give you a chance to free your mind.

573
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: This's the way you get a chance to think for yourself.

574
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Speaker 1: That's all that means. And reach out to us in

575
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Speaker 1: our open for on Friday program again promptly at six

576
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Speaker 1: am Eastern time. Don't wait to the last minute. A

577
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Speaker 1: lot folks with to the last minute. We always have

578
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of folks who don't get on. So it

579
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Speaker 1: starts at six am Eastern time right here in Baltimore

580
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Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB and also on fourteen fifty WL

581
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Speaker 1: in the DMV. Pastor pack Pinkney, how long do you

582
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Speaker 1: think folks in Benton Harber can go with this situation

583
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: going on right now, no food stamps or reduction in

584
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Speaker 1: food stamps, all the turmoil that's being caused personally on fevil.

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Speaker 1: That's why you said many of them turned out to

586
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Speaker 1: the polls on Tuesday. How long do you think there's

587
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: something else, you know, some sort of a personal explosion

588
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: or people start going off, anything that if it's shutdown, continues.

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Speaker 4: Well, and here's the thing. On yesterday, I was called

590
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Speaker 4: and they wanted me to come over to their home,

591
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Speaker 4: uh to look. He said they didn't have no food

592
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Speaker 4: at all in their refrigerator. It was a family of

593
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Speaker 4: five and and they told he said, I don't know

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Speaker 4: what I'm going to do. And he was a grown man,

595
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Speaker 4: he's a good guy, and he had tears in his eye.

596
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Speaker 4: He said, I can't feed my family now. And he's

597
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Speaker 4: kind of like handicapped. And he said that. So when

598
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Speaker 4: I did, he said, I don't know what I'm going

599
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Speaker 4: to do. I'm not gonna let my children start, you know.

600
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Speaker 4: And I said, well, it's not a whole lot, you know,

601
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Speaker 4: you really can't do all that. I was trying to

602
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 4: be as general, as powerful I said, but what we

603
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 4: got to do. We gotta figure out a plan and

604
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Speaker 4: extacute that plan so we can provide the fact we're

605
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: not gonna do be able to do everybody. I think

606
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Speaker 4: this being gonna get so bad. If it lasts over

607
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Speaker 4: a month, all hell gonna break loose. If it lasts

608
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Speaker 4: over a month, all hell is gonna break loose. And

609
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Speaker 4: here in the city of Benji hamp And, I can

610
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 4: tell you this. I don't know whether that's what they want.

611
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I always told people, while you're

612
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Speaker 4: not going out there bout and they well, voting don't

613
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Speaker 4: mean nothing, you know, I said, on a local level,

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Speaker 4: it means a lot. On a national level. This is

615
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: what we got, whether you like it or not. You

616
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 4: got a Donald Trump and now who got with them

617
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 4: being aires pulling his strings? You see, that's what we

618
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 4: have right now. And I think that we are going

619
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Speaker 4: to have to say something, Black folks, this is our

620
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: opportunity to organize myself organized like we were in the sixties,

621
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Speaker 4: the seventies and part of the eighties. We was organized.

622
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 4: I mean, we did things. You see, then all of

623
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 4: a sudden we got two laps and then what they did.

624
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 4: They have pushed us into a corner now and it's

625
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 4: time for us to come out fighting. That's everybody, that's everybody,

626
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 4: all these and these sambos. You're gonna have more samd

627
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 4: bos now than ever before because they're going to be

628
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 4: motivated by feeding the family. They know what they're doing.

629
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Speaker 4: You're gonna have more black people on their side than

630
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Speaker 4: on the good side. And that's where we're hid them

631
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 4: right now. We're hidden to that level because this thing

632
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: is going to get worth before it did better and

633
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 4: I tell you that. And but all we can do

634
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: is just keep talking to them. My job is to

635
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: tell you what you do with that information is on you.

636
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: I can't tell you what they do. You're a grown person.

637
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 4: But I can tell you what you should do. But

638
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 4: whether you do it or not, it's really on you.

639
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: And that's how I fight. I fight every single day.

640
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 4: When I wake up early in the morning, I'm trying

641
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 4: to figure out what would be my next move. What

642
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 4: can I do to help the people, What can I

643
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 4: do to help the community, What can I do to

644
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Speaker 4: help the children. That's how my mind has said. Even

645
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Speaker 4: my wife said, well, you you so focus on on

646
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 4: on the community, and the and the children. You know,

647
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: you need to live a life for yourself. I said,

648
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 4: I am, this is the life that God had chosen

649
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: for me to have. And that's why I fight you,

650
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 4: you know, and I, like I said, I was even

651
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 4: a victim of their system. Oh, I didn't tell you

652
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 4: that they're doing a documentary of the work of Reverend

653
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: that we're picking. It's going to be viewed in Paaris,

654
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 4: France in August. I wouldn't get that put again real fast.

655
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 4: I do have the open I might s that that

656
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: opening to you. How they when I went to the

657
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 4: Barren County Commission after my conviction was overturned, And that's

658
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 4: going to be the opening of the documentary is going

659
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 4: to tell the story of how Benson harbyd got the

660
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 4: way it is. It's fantastic. Is being done by Cornell

661
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 4: University and I think New York University, New York College,

662
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 4: something like that anyway, is huge and it tells of

663
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 4: our stories and it's I'm telling the story, but it's

664
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 4: right there for people to see. It's I mean, I

665
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: was so excited about tears to my eyes just seeing

666
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: some of them before it was complete. But it is

667
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: complete now. The only thing they're doing now, we're getting

668
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 4: it all together and we're planning to be in Pair

669
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 4: of Science in August of twenty twenty six back in

670
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: the cities in Detroit, Chicago, New York, and also one

671
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 4: other place I can't take out of it, but anyway,

672
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: one other places that we're going to be here in

673
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 4: the United States. So next you're going to be in

674
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven. So we're doing good. We're doing everything

675
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: going great, and the fight is real, you know, and

676
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 4: I bled in the fight. I believe that.

677
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 7: You know.

678
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 4: I have sacrificed myself for these for the people, and

679
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: I don't ask for nothing in return. I don't ask

680
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 4: for no money, no nothing. Only thing I ask for

681
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 4: that you do the right thing for my community, you

682
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 4: do the right thing for our children, You do the

683
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 4: right thing for black people. That's all. I don't ask

684
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 4: anything of anybody. I don't tell nobody to do something

685
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 4: that I wouldn't do. And uh, and I'm willing to

686
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: take the blame. Is there some blame to be laid out,

687
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 4: do ain'tthing on me, Let me deal.

688
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 5: With because I can handle.

689
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 4: So that's.

690
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is your story. And for the folks who

691
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: don't know your story. That's what I'm addressing right now.

692
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: In nine minutes away from the top of out family

693
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: and a picnic, he started to fight against the water

694
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: problem in Benchon Harbor, Michigan, to predominately blacktown no clean

695
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: water and he started to fight and still going on.

696
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: If they clean that mess up yet?

697
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: No, but we're trying to What we're doing now, well,

698
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: we're giving the filters to everybody, and we call it

699
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 4: double filtering your water, and uh, we don't want they

700
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: know the water is still bad, but by the community

701
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 4: being blocked, they don't care enough about the black people

702
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: who want to do something. We care enough about black people.

703
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 4: My guys, they're out here checking people filters, checking everything

704
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: for free. They don't get paid, and they give me

705
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: three days a week, four days, three days a week,

706
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 4: four hours a day. That's how. That's how I ask

707
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 4: for them, and they do it, and they do it

708
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 4: with listenly. You know. Some of them go to work

709
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 4: at night and come home and go and go out

710
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 4: here to these people home checking their filters. They got

711
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 4: to we got like we call hotline. It's something, Uh

712
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 4: your water your filters are not working. We uh if

713
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 4: you're not double filter in your water. You don't understand

714
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 4: the process. You call us and we go out, you know,

715
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 4: and we do that. We do that six days a week,

716
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 4: you know. Uh, and we make sure it happened. Because

717
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 4: water is important. You get that land in that water,

718
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 4: get them contents in that water. It struck the growth

719
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 4: of our children. And that's what I'm fighting for. It's

720
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 4: all about the children and the senior city. I'm the

721
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 4: senior cists, so I know that the fighter is real.

722
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 4: And the water. See look, this is all over the country.

723
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 4: Or people don't really know that the water, uh is.

724
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 4: They let these these actually come in here and they

725
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 4: put these chemicals in the water. There's metal, copper, everything

726
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 4: you could think of, and then they are allowed. They

727
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 4: won't choose a drink it because they don't care enough

728
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: about the people. And the people don't care because you

729
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 4: have well I can't say they don't care, but they

730
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 4: they have to find out what's going on.

731
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 6: In your community.

732
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: Like before World Food Corporation will flooding the river, it

733
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: will flooding the Paw Paul River here with all these chemicals.

734
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 4: They go to clint it all out. I don't trust

735
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 4: nothing that these corporations say, if they say it, I

736
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: have to make sure I check it because I don't

737
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: believe nothing coming out of there now.

738
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 6: And that's the truth.

739
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: They sticks away from the top of Have you got

740
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: any aid from, say the city, the county or even

741
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: the state, because obviously it's a problem in Benching Harper

742
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: with the water and this has gone off for decades.

743
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: If some of them, if they come, you say, hey,

744
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: we're going to help you with these filters, or we're

745
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: going to change the pipes or try to get the

746
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: lead out of the water.

747
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 4: But here's the thing. They are the federal government and

748
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 4: Joe Biden. They came in here the Bladen money, hundred

749
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: million dollars to change the pipes. But the problem was

750
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: they gave it to the shitty and they didn't know

751
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 4: what to do. They went out and hired is all

752
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 4: white coming at themar and what they did they went

753
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 4: out and hired nobody black to do the work. And

754
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 4: the agreement was we're gonna have five black contractors in

755
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 4: five white because we know we weren't gonna have all

756
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 4: black that the white folks they would have had a

757
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 4: fit boy, And you're talking some hanging and all that

758
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, you would have got it right here.

759
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 4: So what they did, they didn't. They didn't hire any

760
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 4: black to hire a five white contractor to get one

761
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 4: hundred million dollars, and they butchered the pipes. I mean

762
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 4: some of them they didn't even do and they said

763
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 4: they did, uh, because nobody there was no checking balanced systems,

764
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 4: and the white folks know that black people. And we

765
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: tried to check them, and we almost got a rest.

766
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,959
Speaker 4: We're trying to check them because we were saying, they said,

767
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: we're interfering with they with the jobs, but they wanted

768
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 4: to try to arrest us anyway. But the point was

769
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 4: they knew, they knew exactly what they was doing. And

770
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 4: right now the water is almost worse now than it

771
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 4: was before. And we spent one hundred million dolls to

772
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: these white folks. We just gave them they need to

773
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 4: live in the community. Just great to them, you know,

774
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 4: and they was able to do whatever they want, came

775
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 4: to work when they felt like and uh, and we

776
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 4: got an all black city council, you know, so that

777
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: that kills you where we're at. That's why we had

778
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 4: to remove fll of us and we had to make

779
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 4: sure that we're doing what we're supposed to do and

780
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 4: then we have to kill people. The water is it's

781
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: not their is not the only place the water is bad.

782
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 4: But nobody knew what to do, and it just so happened.

783
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 4: I knew what to do.

784
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 6: You see, it's just.

785
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: Passed. We got to take a short trip and find

786
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: out what's going on the streets and our different cities.

787
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: When we come back, though, I'll let you explain what

788
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: you do, and also tell us about about the schools,

789
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: because at one time you were getting water to the schools.

790
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: Because our children going to these schools drinking that water

791
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: that's contaminated. I'll let you explain that when you get back. Anyway,

792
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: Famili's four away from the top of the out. We

793
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: got to check the trafficking weather in our different cities.

794
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: We'll be back in four minutes with reverend Ed Pinckney.

795
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: If you want to speak to him, just reach out

796
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

797
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: eight seventy six and well take a phone calls. After

798
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: the track fit and weather together, it's next. I mean,

799
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: thanks for waking up with us on this Thursday morning.

800
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: I guess is the Reverend Ed Pinckney from Benton Harper, Michigan.

801
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: You've heard him before, he heard his story. He's given

802
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: us a report of Tuesdays elections in that predominant black

803
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: city before he left for the traffic and weather update.

804
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: My question to him was about the schools, because we're

805
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: talking about the water. This is where he started his

806
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: fight championing clean water for Benton Harper's. They still don't

807
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: have clean water, especially a problem in schools. I'm to

808
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: share this with you. Reverend Pinckney used to just carry

809
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: and give out bottle of water to the different groups

810
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: and to the schools. So feels give us an update

811
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: the schools. Still they still have contaminated water in our schools.

812
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 4: Well here here's what we did. We supplied eight uh

813
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: they call them water filter stations and they cost a

814
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: lot of money. They was donated to us by fresh

815
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: Water Futures. And uh, they understood the problem. They understood

816
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 4: that we was going to go out and do the

817
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 4: right things. And see, that's that's important for groups to understand.

818
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 4: Integrity mean a lot, you know, and that's what we

819
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 4: have to teach our black brothers and sisters. You know,

820
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 4: you don't ever ever, uh reward bad behavior. And this

821
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 4: is one of the thing we did. We went out

822
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 4: and provided eight water filter stations for the high schools

823
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 4: so our children have clean, safe water. Matter of fact,

824
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 4: these things are so good that what they do, the

825
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 4: only do they get rid of compatient, they get rid

826
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: of the lead. See we had eight nine possis in

827
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: your lead. And remember this thing was the accent of it.

828
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 4: You know, fifteen the governor, the government got to come

829
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 4: in nine down to twelve. But what we're doing now,

830
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 4: we are making sure that everybody understands that lead is bad,

831
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 4: and Tanna's is bad. Copper is bad. If it's in

832
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 4: your water, is going to effect your children and senior citizens.

833
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 4: And we got to get that thing corrected. The school

834
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 4: right now has cleaner water. There's any home resident in

835
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 4: the city of bending Out thanks to those silters that

836
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 4: we provided for them.

837
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: So is it easier to use the filters? And why

838
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: not just rebuild the pipes?

839
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 5: Is it?

840
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: Because that's what they did.

841
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 4: They supposed to have rebuilt the pipes, but unfortunately they

842
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 4: butchered the job. They didn't they didn't do it the

843
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 4: way it's supposed to do that they took one hundred

844
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 4: million dollars and ran with it. That's how white people

845
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 4: do you. You don't have no why dog watching them,

846
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 4: but they would take a gang's of view on every level,

847
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 4: and that's what they do to black people. So most

848
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 4: black people just happy for them to talk to them.

849
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 4: For some reasons. I don't get that neither. But the

850
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 4: point was when we went out and and and and

851
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 4: we found that petition with Joe Biden, them offered and

852
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 4: the Moneys y'all coming in. They gave into the city

853
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 4: and the city had no knowledge on what to do.

854
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 4: They turned it over to Adamar Adama are all white operations,

855
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 4: came in, took the money, went out and hired these

856
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 4: five fight contractors and they got all the money in

857
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 4: the in the city of bening High was left holding

858
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 4: the bag. The streets flood everything. Now since they've been there,

859
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 4: and nobody cares. Nobody cared. Black folks just two scared.

860
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 4: That's open their mouths, you know.

861
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 8: But they got me.

862
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 4: I will open my mouth, I will say something. If

863
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 4: you got something from me, bring it on because I'm

864
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: willing to make the sacrifice get things right here in

865
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 4: this small community.

866
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: Befany I let you go though, do you still need help?

867
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: Because you've had times every time we do this particular program.

868
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: After the show, he says, you've got to go out

869
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: and give out free water to different different people, especially

870
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: the elderly in your school. You're still doing that.

871
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 4: Yes, I am, Yes, I am. We we doing nothing

872
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 4: that when I this morning, I'm going to be going

873
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 4: straight and distribute water to some of the senior citizens

874
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: and make sure that they have water because we know

875
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 4: that they need it. And if they want to help,

876
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 4: they can Miller check the bank O B A n

877
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 4: c O. Nineteen forty Union Avenue, Benton Harbor, Michigan, four

878
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 4: nine oh two to two. I repeat that BICO B

879
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 4: A n c O. Nineteen forty Union Avenue, Denton Harbor, Michigan,

880
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: four nine oh two two. And you know anything will

881
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,479
Speaker 4: help you. You can said ten dollars five out whatever

882
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 4: your heart's eye, and I promise you we'll buy water

883
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 4: with all right.

884
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much, reverend Ed Pickman. Thank

885
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: you what you do for our folks in Benton Harbor.

886
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: It's you know, just think that if you weren't there,

887
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: there'll still be drinking that contaminated water coming down all

888
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: kinds of problems, especially our children with the lead in

889
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: the water. But you spoke up, so probably God to

890
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: tap to you on the shoulder and told you to

891
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: get involved, and you did, he responded. So I just

892
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: want to thank you one more time. Just give out

893
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: the address of folks, because you all of this shouldn't

894
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: be on your shoulders. So one more time, what's your dress?

895
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 4: BANKO, B, A and C O. Nineteen forty Union Avenue,

896
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 4: Linton Harber, Michigan, four nine oh two to two, or

897
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 4: you can call me at two sixth nine three, sixth

898
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 4: nine eight two five seven.

899
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: One more time with the phone number.

900
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 4: UH BANKO, B, A N C O nineteen forty Union Avenue,

901
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 4: Benin Hobblem, Michigan, four nine O two two phone number

902
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 4: two sixth nine three, sixth nine eight two five second

903
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 4: Reverend Edward Painting and thank you, Thank you so much.

904
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 4: Call for hired me on your shelf. I'm excited. I'm

905
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 4: excited because I know that we're at war and somebody

906
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 4: got to get out of in bite this war, and

907
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 4: now we're gonna have more people fighting this war than

908
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 4: ever before. The polls on Tuesday reflected that it told

909
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 4: the story it's told that we are no longer, no

910
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 4: longer sitting back and doing nothing. It reminded me of

911
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 4: the fifties or seventies in the eighties. We fought during

912
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 4: that time. We weren't afraid of these people. We weren't

913
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 4: trying to be materialistic. You know, now we're trying to

914
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 4: be We want to wear air Jordan's and all this

915
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 4: other kind of stuff. You know, my thing is this,

916
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 4: take care of the children. If you take care of

917
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 4: the children, they'll take care of you. That's a promise.

918
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: That's right, Thank you, reverend. And by the way, belated

919
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: happy birthday all.

920
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 4: Right, absolutely, you know I got so many I mean,

921
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 4: on faithful they hit me up nine hundred people wish

922
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 4: me a happy birthday. And also our anniversary was a

923
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 4: twenty field and you know, another four five hundred people

924
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 4: wish to day. I mean it was I was. I

925
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 4: was just thrilled. And today my my daughter's going going

926
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 4: to Chicago and have piaza with with my with my

927
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 4: oldest daughter, and uh, they like, they know I like

928
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 4: home running pieza and so they like to do that

929
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 4: and bring the gifts. I tell them I don't need none,

930
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 4: you know, just donate, donate to uh to to this

931
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 4: cause and.

932
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 5: I'm happy with that, all right, thank you, rav, thank you.

933
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: All right, family, that's Reverend Ed Pinckney from Benton Harbor, Michigan,

934
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: predominant black town and they're still fighting for decades and

935
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: to get clean water. And you heard the reverend said

936
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: that there's still no clean water. But he did say

937
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: after the election on Tuesday was like back in the

938
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: fifties and the sixties. So we're going to take you

939
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: to the sixties with Dr Paul Smith, Grand Rising, Doctor

940
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: Paul Smith, welcome back to the program.

941
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you happen to be here.

942
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: And you heard what the pastor said. He said that

943
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: the elections on Tuesday showed the people were ready to

944
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: fight back in the sixties. That's what that's what you

945
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: were in the sixties.

946
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 6: That's my period. That's right right. We've been silent.

947
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but now we're going to give you a force.

948
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: So tell us about what's the difference in what you

949
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: see the struggles for voting rights in your air that

950
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: we see today or is there a difference.

951
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 6: Well, my first comment is there's there's no social media,

952
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 6: so we didn't have any choice but to you know,

953
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 6: make our own voices heard. And we did that, you know,

954
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 6: obviously every day marching. We did that through basically at

955
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 6: that point we were doing basically through African American churches.

956
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 6: Then that that is certainly, you know, other than just

957
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 6: American churches. So without the media, we had to use

958
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 6: the pulpits of churches and synagogues and so forth to

959
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 6: get the message out. The other thing is we were

960
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 6: on the job every day. We didn't do although those marches,

961
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 6: by No King that was fantastic, but it was a

962
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 6: one day event. We had to be out there every day.

963
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 6: We just kept going to back and forth, back and

964
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 6: forth every day, to the court, to the streets, to

965
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 6: the platters, to the walk, to the shouts, to all

966
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 6: that kind of stuff. We did that every day, and

967
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 6: that I think is what is missing now. The second

968
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 6: thing is I can't imagine not being here today had

969
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 6: not been for the churches. The absence and the silence

970
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 6: of the churches is what's very glaring to me right now.

971
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 6: I think some of the mortal, larger churches, in particular

972
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 6: some of the evangelical churches, once they get involved, I

973
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 6: think that we'll see a shift. Although I do see

974
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 6: a shift since the election on two seats.

975
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: Speaking about that half of the top down family, just

976
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: checking in doctor Paul Smith's really sees one of the

977
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: civil rights activity Montchree, doctor King, Andrew Reilling, all of

978
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: those folks back in the sitatue. We're going to get

979
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: into some of those incidents as well. But why do

980
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: you think they think because some of the churches have

981
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: taken money, that's why they've been sort of silent on

982
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: these issues.

983
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 6: Well, when we're not on air, I can give you

984
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 6: some specific specific Yeah. There, listen, if you if you're

985
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 6: depending on the banks and you got all these loans,

986
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 6: you know, for what's happening in your congregations, in your community,

987
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 6: you're you're, you're you have to really be kind the careful.

988
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 6: And I think some of that's happening, I know for

989
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 6: a fact for a couple of cases, but I can't

990
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 6: say it on the air. But the other thing is

991
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 6: is that, uh, people are just kind of out of

992
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 6: it right now. They only now as as many of

993
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 6: them did of course at the oppolls on Tuesday, but

994
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 6: there's sort of an apathy. But the fact that the

995
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 6: government shut down, I think that was a gods in

996
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 6: my opinion, it just woke people up saying, what the

997
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 6: heck are they? Why are we paying these people and

998
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 6: you know they're not at work, why are you know,

999
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 6: were missing our paychecks, you know, disrupting everything we do financially.

1000
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 6: So I think in that sense it was a blessing

1001
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 6: in disguise, although it's brought a lot of hurt, but

1002
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 6: you know, a lot of good comes after the pains.

1003
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: Twelve after the top of that with doctor Paul So

1004
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: doctor Smith, you mentioned that you guys kept going day

1005
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: after day. It wasn't like a one off, you know,

1006
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: fighting for civil rights for us. What kept you going though?

1007
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: What made you keep going back and day after day.

1008
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 6: The cause itself, As you know, I had I had

1009
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 6: two kids that at that point Andy had two and

1010
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 6: he had two kids as well, and so it was

1011
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 6: for the future of our kids. We didn't want to

1012
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 6: see our kids having to suffer when they didn't have to,

1013
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 6: and and because we sat back and did nothing, So

1014
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 6: that was the first thing that kept us going. The

1015
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 6: other thing was our and then in particularly for me,

1016
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 6: I think for a number of other people, it was

1017
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 6: our faith that this is what we had if we

1018
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 6: were called to do as Christians. This is what we

1019
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 6: think Jesus would have done. We followed Jesus in terms

1020
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 6: of what we believe, and therefore there were no days

1021
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 6: off for him for the for the Master. So we

1022
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 6: followed that that pattern and that that model more than anything.

1023
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 6: But the other thing that kept me going was the

1024
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 6: reality that if I wasn't going to do who was?

1025
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 6: So I couldn't. I just couldn't sit back and watch

1026
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 6: all this happen. Were not participating myself. Because I had

1027
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 6: a little influence, I could also bring others with him,

1028
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 6: not just within my family, but within my in my

1029
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 6: scope of contact.

1030
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: All right, tell us how you got involved, though, doctor,

1031
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: because you could have went somewhere else. You could have

1032
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: been on the side of take like many of the

1033
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: folks where back in the sixties. What how did you

1034
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: get involved?

1035
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 6: I tell you, you know, I graduated from college in

1036
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 6: nineteen fifty seven. My dad gave me one hundred dollars

1037
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 6: and the car as a gifts. Now this is nineteen

1038
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 6: ninety fifty seven, so that's a lot of money, one

1039
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 6: hundred dollars. So my classmate and I who also I

1040
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 6: graduate with me, we went to Detroit to kind of

1041
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 6: sew our, Oh, she might say, so I had the car.

1042
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 6: I had one hundred dollars, so we could kind of

1043
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 6: do what we wanted to do in those days. So

1044
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 6: on the second night that we were there, we were

1045
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 6: coming from dinner, and we went past the Woodward Methodist

1046
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 6: Church in Detroit, and on the marquis it said, doctor

1047
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 6: Benjamin Elijah Mays is our guest preacher on Sunday, and

1048
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 6: of course he was president of Morehouse College. And I said, oh,

1049
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 6: my gosh, I've always wanted to hear doctor Made. So

1050
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 6: I said to my class, said I think I'm going

1051
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 6: to go to church. And here Dr Mayde. He looked

1052
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 6: at me and said, you know, we were required to

1053
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 6: go to church when we were in college. Why now

1054
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 6: that we don't have to do it, why do you

1055
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 6: want to go to church? I said, something tells me

1056
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 6: I need to hear doctor Made. But also on the

1057
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 6: mark he was doctor May's sermon, and I've never forgotten

1058
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 6: his sermon title, and it said the title was everywhere

1059
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 6: I turned, I find Jesus. I stopped in my tracks.

1060
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 6: After I listened to him, I introduced myself to him,

1061
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 6: went back to the to my sister's house. What we

1062
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 6: were saying. Said to my classic, I'm going down to Savannah.

1063
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 6: Andy Young has asked me to come and join the movement.

1064
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 6: I told him no, but now I know why he

1065
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 6: told me I needed to do that, So I'm going.

1066
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 6: I got to do it. He was a mortifed that

1067
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 6: I had done it. So I got my dad's car,

1068
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 6: got in and drove back to South Bend. And when

1069
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 6: I drove up in the driveway, my dad looked at

1070
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 6: me and said, what's going on? I said, I have

1071
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 6: to go down to Savannah. I got to get involved

1072
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 6: in the movement. And he said are you sure.

1073
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 4: I said yes.

1074
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 6: He said, well, I can't believe it, and out of

1075
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 6: the corner of my eye I could see tears coming

1076
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 6: from his eyes because he realized that something really important

1077
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 6: had happened to me. So I went to Savannah. I

1078
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 6: met Andy Young again, decided that whatever I needed to

1079
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 6: do or could do in the movement, that I was available.

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00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: And I never said pull a story. Right there, doctor

1081
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: samithe we got to take a short bring we come back.

1082
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: I want to hear the question of the story how

1083
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: you got and you hooked up with and he's talking

1084
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: about the Andrew Young Ambassador. Andrew Young went on to

1085
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: become Ambassador Andrew Young, Hey got into the movement with

1086
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: doctor King. We're going to hear all those stories coming up. Family,

1087
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: you want to join this conversation, reach out to us

1088
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: at eight hundred and four or five zero, seventy eight,

1089
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: seventy six or sixteen after the time I will take

1090
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: you and grand Rising family. Thanks for staying with us

1091
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: on this Thursday Money. And I guess doctor Paul Smith

1092
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: he's one of the iconic civil rights fight us back

1093
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: in the sixties, and before we left the break told

1094
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: us he drove to Savannah to meet with Andrew Young

1095
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: and pick up the story from there at doctor Smith.

1096
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I had really not been so except you know,

1097
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 6: when I went to college, and so just being in

1098
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 6: Savannah and seeing all the activity, particular of our people,

1099
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 6: you know, because they were in those churches, in the

1100
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 6: streets and doing things every day in Savannah. And of

1101
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 6: course Annie and I had gone to the same graduate

1102
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 6: school at a different times. Of course, he's three years older.

1103
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 6: So I just saw an excitement that I had not seen,

1104
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 6: and also knew that there was a purpose for my

1105
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 6: being there. I said to my grand one of my

1106
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 6: grandsons a couple of years ago. You can always make money,

1107
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,919
Speaker 6: but I want you to make a difference. And that's

1108
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 6: really my philosophy. I knew that I needed to be

1109
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 6: there that, you know, to hang out, you know, doing

1110
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 6: what classificate now we're doing in Detroit was it was

1111
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 6: okay as part of my growing up, but my real

1112
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 6: hall was to do what I think came up when uh,

1113
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 6: when Andy Young invited me to come to uh come

1114
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 6: to Savannah, and incidentally in my senior year at college, UH,

1115
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 6: I think uh Talladega College is one of the first places,

1116
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 6: uh in terms of the HBCUs where doctor King spoke

1117
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 6: and it was also his influence seeking for my fraternity

1118
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 6: at the college that just inspired me because you know,

1119
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 6: Talleau is basically all flights of the mill town. And

1120
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 6: I was so interested that how many white people from

1121
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 6: the community that never really came up on the campus

1122
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 6: came to hear doctor King on that Sunday that he

1123
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 6: that he spoke.

1124
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 9: So that also got my attention too. So I think, well,

1125
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 9: have you know my fall out of a faith stance,

1126
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 9: But I think that was.

1127
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: Your phone is going south on us chipping in and.

1128
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get a good spot. Yeah, go ahead, Okay,

1129
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 6: So yeah, that that was Yeah, I think that was

1130
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 6: really and I never all right, we lost it, you know,

1131
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 6: I learned you lost me again.

1132
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we can hear you now, So it seems

1133
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: like going on if you're getting a good spot and

1134
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: I know you're on a cell phone.

1135
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, does that make any different?

1136
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll see.

1137
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 10: Blocking the sound, So if you hit the parts, if

1138
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 10: you're blocking, you probably can't here.

1139
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 5: Okay, can you hear me now, Carl, Yeah, I can

1140
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 5: hear you.

1141
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 6: Can you hear me now?

1142
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: Sure?

1143
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 6: Okay, very good. So I said I didn't look back,

1144
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 6: you know. Then my twin uh, you know, just starting

1145
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 6: a marriage and a family. Uh, and so all of

1146
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 6: that made it made a difference. And of course Andy

1147
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 6: and the youngs was starting his family at the time.

1148
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 6: And little did I know that I would learn the

1149
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 6: meaning the true meaning of nonviolence, which you know, I

1150
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 6: was taught basically by Andy. And I had heard about

1151
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 6: non violence of course from my mentor, doctor Howard Thurman,

1152
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 6: who had spent time in India with mc gandhi. And

1153
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,959
Speaker 6: so when I heard that, I knew something was really

1154
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 6: happening in my own life, and that some years later

1155
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 6: that the fact that I learned how to be non

1156
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 6: violence is the reason I'm alive today, because you know,

1157
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 6: I've said on this program some time ago that because

1158
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 6: I was in the movement and had practic just and

1159
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 6: learned non violent, when a person spat in my face,

1160
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 6: my first instinct, you know, was to respond. But then

1161
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 6: I had been in that training, and I realized if

1162
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 6: I respond responded to that, not only what I have

1163
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 6: been heard might have been killed, but those who were

1164
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 6: marching with me also would have been injured. So that's

1165
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 6: a semino in my life. I never will forget it.

1166
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 6: And I'm clear that I'm alive today because of learning

1167
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 6: how to be non violent. And I think that's what's

1168
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 6: missing today. There's too much anger all the talk hosts

1169
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 6: on all the major networks, so they're talking over each other,

1170
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 6: at each other about each other. There's no compromise, there's

1171
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 6: no listening. We were not perfect, but we certainly listened.

1172
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 6: Our lives are on the line. You talk no better listen.

1173
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 6: If your life is on the line, you need to

1174
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 6: pay attention.

1175
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: And I have a doctor Smith twenty five minutes off

1176
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: the topic. I want to go back to somebody spitting

1177
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: in your face. Oh okay, and you don't retaliate. Uh,

1178
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: what was the training?

1179
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 5: What? What?

1180
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: What did how did they teach you? I mean, it's

1181
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: just a natural reflex. You're going to swing, you're going

1182
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: to retaliate. So what was that teaching that somebody spat

1183
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: in your face and you didn't respond.

1184
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 6: We'll talk about it after when we're going on to break.

1185
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 6: Are you going on break now?

1186
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 5: No?

1187
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 4: Okay, go ahead.

1188
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 6: So non violence, the first thing you do is you

1189
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 6: have to really understand that this is a different experience.

1190
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 6: It's not common. It is uncommon. It's as you you know,

1191
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 6: somebody spit in your face. What's your first reaction to

1192
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 6: fight back? Well, the first thing you learn in non

1193
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 6: violence is not to respond to the first negative incident,

1194
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 6: whether it's physical or mental. People saying nasty words about you,

1195
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 6: which was a common experience. I mean every time we

1196
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 6: went to march, we heard the end word and all

1197
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 6: kinds of other stuff. So, but because I had practiced it,

1198
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 6: because we did sessions, you know, Andy led sessions as

1199
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 6: just some other people led sessions on how you know,

1200
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 6: people pushed us around, called us names and so forth,

1201
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 6: and taught us not to respond a little difficult at first.

1202
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 6: Remember I'm in my twenties, you know, so it took

1203
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 6: me a while to get used to it. But I again,

1204
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 6: I'm convinced more and more that my call was by

1205
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 6: the Creator, that I trusted God with my life, and

1206
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 6: therefore I was not going to abandon that. Now he

1207
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 6: had sent Andy Young to be a part of my life.

1208
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 6: Andy had invited me. I finally answered the call, and

1209
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 6: there I was, And so I'm here today. Yes, in

1210
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 6: one nanosecond, I said, nobody's going to violate me like that.

1211
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 6: And then I remembered the sessions had to take. It's

1212
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 6: like turning the other teeth. And again I say, I

1213
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 6: know that I'm physically okay now because I did not

1214
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 6: respond to that event. I'm not a perfect person. I

1215
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 6: had all the anger come up with me, up within me.

1216
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 6: But within a nano second, a nano second, I knew

1217
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 6: I'd probably not see my wife or you know, the

1218
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 6: one child we had had if I had responded. All

1219
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 6: those things come up, and they come up very quickly.

1220
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 6: So you make a choice. You make a choice, and

1221
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 6: my choice was to listen to what I had learned

1222
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 6: when I was in that session the Savannah with Andy.

1223
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this though, twenty eight minutes after

1224
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: that tought me out. You know, back then in the sixties,

1225
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: people blame Doctor King, Andy or all of you guys

1226
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: that you were going for integration instead of separation. They

1227
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: think that you guys missed the mark your thoughts.

1228
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, we took a lot of criticism and we did

1229
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 6: what we thought was best. Now I'm not a I

1230
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 6: think I know a lot. I'm very clear that doctor

1231
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 6: King knew a lot. He was charismatic, and as in

1232
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 6: their lots, we didn't need to be perfect. We wanted

1233
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 6: to be heard. So we certainly made the mistakes and

1234
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 6: there we were subject to the criticism and it was deserved.

1235
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 6: People can think what they want to think. But our

1236
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 6: mission was to make sure that our families, our communities

1237
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 6: would no longer be under threat from people who took

1238
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 6: who went after us, because we are just happening to,

1239
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 6: you know, be people of color. So I'm clear, very

1240
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 6: clear that no matter what it said about us, had

1241
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 6: it not been for our movement, we would not be

1242
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 6: where we are today. Unfortunately, were going backwards. But again

1243
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 6: I am very satisfied with what we did during that time.

1244
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 6: It was what we were what we learned to do.

1245
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 6: Gandhi had done it in India, so why couldn't we

1246
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 6: do it here? And I again believe in my heart

1247
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 6: that many of us are here. Who are you know?

1248
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 6: Andy's ninety three, I'm ninety We're here today because we

1249
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 6: practiced it, we understood the value of it and that

1250
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 6: we were needed to be in the movement. And if

1251
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 6: we had done that, we could have been killed. And

1252
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 6: you remember John Lewis almost lost his life because he

1253
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 6: was he did not retaliate when the person almost beat

1254
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 6: him to death. So that I hang on to that,

1255
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 6: and there certainly are we probably could have done some

1256
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,560
Speaker 6: other things, learned some other ways to do it. But

1257
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 6: if that's what we were taught, that's what we believed

1258
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 6: we were called to do, and we did it.

1259
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: A family just waking up on just doing this, I

1260
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: guess is doctor Paul Smith's civil rights activists from the sixties.

1261
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Marsia and Andrew Young and doctor King,

1262
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: Doctor Smith, the signing of the Voting Rights Act. Did

1263
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: you declare that you guys declared that that was the victory?

1264
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: Was that what you were searching or trying to achieve

1265
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: the Voting Rights Act signature, the President signature. Can you

1266
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: tell us about that?

1267
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 5: Yes.

1268
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 6: See, one of the things, and I think its a

1269
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 6: valid criticism, was the lack we were We were not

1270
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 6: as political. We just were were led basically by what

1271
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 6: what our faiths taught us, you know, what our religious

1272
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,600
Speaker 6: uh and spiritual disciplines were. So we we did that.

1273
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 6: So it made it made a huge difference in how

1274
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 6: we responded to what was going on at the time.

1275
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 6: So in that case, it was, as I said to you,

1276
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:55,759
Speaker 6: I was present when the Voting Rights Act was signed.

1277
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 6: I was there with doctor King Andy and several other

1278
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 6: civil rights leaders, many of whom are no longer with us.

1279
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 6: When that happened. That was one of the seminal political

1280
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 6: experiences of my life because I hadn't really connected all

1281
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 6: of the doubts between what we were doing, as you know,

1282
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 6: non violent people, civil rights activists, and the government. A

1283
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 6: lot of that changed, of course, with Kennedy's administration and

1284
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 6: his brother being the Attorney General. But to be there

1285
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Speaker 6: to see in witness the signing of the Voting Rights Acts,

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Speaker 6: which as you know, is under attack right now, was

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01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 6: one of the most meaningful experiences in my lifetime, and

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Speaker 6: I think it made a huge difference because we saw

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01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 6: what happened on Tuesday. How many, how many many many

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01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 6: people vote. They know that the way to get through

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 6: to a lot of this excuse me as to it

1292
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 6: with who you vote in so all.

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Speaker 1: Kids, let me jump in and ask you this though.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the signing because you're I guess

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01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: it was in the Whitehouse heldj signed the proclamation. From

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Speaker 1: your side, did you get the feeling that he signed

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Speaker 1: it out of political expediency or he signed it because

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Speaker 1: he really cared about us.

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Speaker 6: That's a tough question, I have. It's probably a bit

1300
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 6: of bully. I mean, he was kind of a religious

1301
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 6: person in his own private way. You know, he's the

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01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,600
Speaker 6: southern white guy, so we know what he grew up with.

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01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 6: But it didn't that wasn't a question for us what

1304
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 6: his intentions or what he believes and so forth.

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01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 5: He was the.

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Speaker 6: President and the fact that he has a bully pulpit,

1307
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 6: that he signed it, that's what was important more than

1308
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 6: the other things that are certainly a reality, But that

1309
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 6: did not play a part. We knew that if we

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01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 6: didn't have the right to vote, we could not make

1311
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 6: the changes that were necessary, particularly in community. Well, we

1312
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 6: couldn't vote, so no, we just felt that that was

1313
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,560
Speaker 6: the right thing to do at the right time. And

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01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 6: sure it was political, but that's where we are right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, take us back to that day after they signed

1316
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: the bill. What was the mood of the country like

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01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: after they signed the voting ranks mission.

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01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 6: Well, they are ticked off, of course, you know, portray

1319
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 6: to white people are not happy about that because that

1320
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 6: kind of made us equal with them, which is another issue.

1321
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 6: But what it did it was it let us know

1322
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 6: that for better or for worse, the country that we

1323
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 6: were born to and born in was supporting us as

1324
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 6: a people who are Americans who loved this country, and

1325
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 6: that this was our opportunity. So while we were able

1326
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 6: to do it, and again it's the importance of the churches.

1327
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 6: The churches were the signal place where we did voter registration,

1328
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 6: gathered people to talk about the importance of the vote.

1329
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 6: Imagine this, so they say you can't and that there

1330
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 6: was something very very important voting that they didn't want

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01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 6: us to have. I remember doctor Howard's there and my

1332
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 6: mentors saying that you know, weist didn't want us to

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01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 6: learn how to read. We said, well, what's the magic

1334
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 6: about reading? And we said, reading to learn how to read,

1335
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 6: to read materials, that's knowledge. And so when we felt

1336
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 6: that we could not vote, it meant that we were

1337
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 6: losing power and influence. And there is a difference between

1338
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 6: power and influence. That's another discussion. So we felt that

1339
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 6: it was important for us to get things. Then, since

1340
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 6: it was the vote that counted that made things happen,

1341
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 6: we had to have that right to vote, and we

1342
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 6: did and it was again, it was one of those

1343
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 6: signal experiences in my ninety years.

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01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this, doctor Bollsmith, fifteen away

1345
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: from the top of that after LBJ signed the measure,

1346
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: did you feel like we've accomplished what we started. We

1347
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: can go back and you know, to our families, or

1348
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: did you see there's still more work to be done.

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01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 6: There was still more work to be done because you know,

1350
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 6: we were not used to voting. Someone didn't even know

1351
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 6: how to vote that you know, where the stations were,

1352
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 6: what you had to do, how to do the lovers

1353
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 6: and all of that. So there was there was a

1354
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 6: learning curves that we had to catch up with and

1355
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 6: that took time. And again the churches, the ladies and

1356
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 6: w AC in particular began holding classes teaching us not

1357
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 6: only the value of our vote, but how to vote

1358
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 6: and then necessity to vote. So we were doing organizing

1359
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 6: and communities all over the United States at that time,

1360
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 6: and it made us feel good. And quite frankly, it's

1361
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 6: interesting that you asked that question about Alvijay. It wasn't

1362
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 6: so much what he did or did not do. It's

1363
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 6: the fact that the country made a huge shift when

1364
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 6: that Voting Rights Act took place. So that's what was

1365
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 6: very helpful to us in terms of our own spirits

1366
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 6: that we had done, had done some we had accomplished

1367
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 6: something that was really major, and then we were sort

1368
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 6: of on our way. That's exactly how I felt.

1369
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,560
Speaker 1: All right, hold up, all right, then we've got to

1370
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: check the latest news and trafficking weather in our different cities. Family,

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01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: it's twenty four minutes away from the top of there.

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01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: I guess it's doctor Paul Smith. Doctor Smith, as he

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01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: mentioned in Martred, doctor King, Andrew Young back in the sixties,

1374
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: and they fought to get the voting rights measure. So

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01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: when we come back, though, Dr Smith, tell me how

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01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: you feel about the fact that they're trying to you know,

1377
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: I just I guess tear up that piece of paper

1378
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: that it was signed on the Voting Rights Measure and family,

1379
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: you two can get in on this conversation. You can

1380
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: reach us an eight hundred four to five zero seventy

1381
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take all a phone calls

1382
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: after the news. That's next bank Grand Rising, family, and

1383
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: thanks for staying with us this Thursday morning. I guess

1384
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: this is doctor Paul Smith. He's a sixty civil rights

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01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: activist and he's telling us about what happened during the sixties,

1386
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: the fight to save the Voting Rights Act. Before we

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01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: go back to him, though, let's mind you coming up

1388
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: later this morning and speak with Tony Brown, Tony Chematologist.

1389
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: He's going to talk about the attempts to raise African

1390
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: and African American history from the books. We'll talk about

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01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: that with Tony and tomorrow's Friday. If you know a

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01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: chance to free you mind. All that means is to

1393
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: think for yourself and join us for our open phone

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Speaker 1: Friday program begin promptly at sixty in Eastern time right

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Speaker 1: here in Baltimore on Tan tan WLB and also in

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Speaker 1: the DMV on fourteen fifteen. W L all right, doctor Smith,

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01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 1: your thoughts down. You see they're trying to trash or

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01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 1: restrict or reduce whatever they're trying to, you know, remove

1399
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: the voting right sack your thoughts on that. After all,

1400
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: what you went through is personally now you've see they're

1401
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 1: trying to remove it, especially section two of the voting

1402
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: right side. How do you feel about that?

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01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 4: I'm a europe We took up a couple of things.

1404
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 4: One is.

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01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 11: It certainly makes you angry, and I try to do

1406
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 11: my best to discipline myself and not be so angry

1407
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 11: about this. And once I got beyond my anger that they're,

1408
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 11: you know, just this mandement everything.

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01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 6: That we had work so hard for, I was able

1410
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 6: to be more focused and more committed. So yes, we

1411
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:12,839
Speaker 6: were really upset that that had happened. Could hardly believe

1412
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 6: that it had happened. But now we see the tide turning.

1413
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 6: At least that's what I see. I think was what

1414
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 6: happened with the vote on Pussie was the beginning of

1415
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 6: the turning of the tide. That God's promises will be fulfilled,

1416
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 6: that we are a people ttrouggle don't last always and

1417
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 6: that nobody's going to keep us from doing what we

1418
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 6: believe God has intended. So I'm ecstatic that all this time,

1419
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 6: all the hard work we did and we saw being

1420
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 6: dismountled right before our eyes, that now we see the

1421
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 6: tide is ship it again, and it's quite possible that

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01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 6: we will get back of where we were. I think

1423
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 6: the country has has a different time of mood now,

1424
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 6: as we would say, a new attitude. I hope I'm right,

1425
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 6: I believe I'm right. And then a couple of days,

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01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 6: I'm going to be honored at the Washington National Cathedral

1427
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 6: on my ninetieth birthday to celebrate all the work that

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01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 6: Andy Young and I, doctor King Brothers, I have done

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01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:31,719
Speaker 6: all of our lives.

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Speaker 1: Well, congratulations on that thirteen away from the top of now.

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01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this question though, yeah, doctor Submiths,

1432
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: because there were some folks during the last election, they

1433
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: were telling us that we shouldn't vote. Our vote doesn't

1434
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 1: count if we're still in the same position that we

1435
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: are before, you know, and we'll still be as afterwards,

1436
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: that black folks should not go to the polls. You know,

1437
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: your thoughts went after all what you went through and

1438
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: you hear that kind of conversation, how does that make

1439
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: you feel?

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01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 6: That's the dumbest thing that any any people can do,

1441
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 6: but particularly African Americans. You know how long it took

1442
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 6: us to get this, how many people die to make

1443
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 6: it possible, and you're saying that your vote doesn't count.

1444
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 6: That's quite stupid. In my opinions are to be so blunt,

1445
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 6: but that that just goes against the grain of everything

1446
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 6: that we all worked so hard for. We put our

1447
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 6: lives on the line. And then to say because you're

1448
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 6: ticked off because of something that happened and you're not

1449
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 6: going to vote or you don't think it counts, you

1450
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 6: really need to go back and think about that very

1451
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 6: deeply and remember how many of us gave our lives

1452
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 6: for that. That's how I feel.

1453
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it take us back into the sixties. Was

1454
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 1: that what doctor King's objective just to get the voting

1455
01:20:58,800 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: rights back passed?

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01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 6: There was much more than that, but obviously that's when

1457
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 6: we got really into the whole notion of politics. The

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01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 6: vote has to do with a country that votes the vote,

1459
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 6: I mean, not just for our rights, but you know,

1460
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 6: school boards, all kinds of things that really run your community,

1461
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 6: your country. You have to be a part of that

1462
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 6: and the way to get to that is through the

1463
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 6: vote and that so again we knew it was precious

1464
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 6: because they didn't want us to do it. So that's

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01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 6: why we kept working and working and working to make

1466
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:41,640
Speaker 6: sure that if something some group of people were not

1467
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 6: doing what we wanted them to do, we could vote

1468
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 6: them out. It's a vote that count. A vote is

1469
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 6: your power tool, and that's what we just gave our

1470
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 6: lives for. Work so hard because we knew that if

1471
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 6: we could vote, we could determine who's going to be

1472
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,560
Speaker 6: on our side and worked with the things that we

1473
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 6: believed in.

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Speaker 1: All Right, ten away from the topic doctors, to take

1475
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 1: us back to some of those marches that you and

1476
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 1: Ambassador Andrew Young and doctor King were on these marches

1477
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: and which which one of these rallies that really sticks

1478
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,839
Speaker 1: out in your mind that you always remember.

1479
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 6: I remember more than anything in Selma.

1480
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

1481
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 6: You know, Andy Young and I have done an interview.

1482
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 6: He did an interview with Rachel Mandal a couple of

1483
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 6: weeks ago, and then he and I did one that

1484
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 6: will you'll be able to see on YouTube and probably

1485
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 6: in the next couple of days. But one of the

1486
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 6: things he reminded. We reminded each other. But Annie's the

1487
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 6: one who said the difference of No Kingsmark is that

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01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:49,839
Speaker 6: in our day we always had a song. We always

1489
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 6: had a song because the arts, the songs, the music

1490
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 6: was our inspiration. I never would have done some of

1491
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 6: the things that are walked in the middle of a

1492
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 6: mob had it not been for the beauty of the

1493
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 6: Negro spirituals, of the songs that we had learned, you know,

1494
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 6: and created during the Civil rights movement. That's missing today.

1495
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 6: In fact, the whole notion something deeper, greater than you are,

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01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 6: we are. I found that missing. And while I applaud

1497
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 6: what happened on No King Day, and that has not

1498
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 6: happened ever before in this country and probably one of

1499
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 6: the most signal signal things of twenty twenty five, and

1500
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 6: I applauded them for that, but it's the one time event.

1501
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 6: You have to keep it up and you have to

1502
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 6: keep working at it. I have no idea who runs

1503
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 6: runs that group. Maybe they are doing some things that

1504
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 6: I'm not aware, but we kept at it. That's the sequet.

1505
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 6: We kept at it. We knew how important it was

1506
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 6: and if we wanted to really make the changes that

1507
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 6: we had to use our power in this sense of

1508
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 6: vote is a roote to power. Power allows change to come.

1509
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 6: And there was the power of change that I should

1510
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 6: in the nineteen sixty five Voting Rights Act. And I'm

1511
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 6: so happy that the Lord kept kept me there. That

1512
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 6: day was one of the most important experiences of my

1513
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 6: life and inspired me. I'm sure inspired and and we've

1514
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 6: moved on for there. But to see it now being

1515
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 6: dismantled simply because of what's happening with the politics, it's disheartening.

1516
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 6: But nothing is going to break my back, nothing's going

1517
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,639
Speaker 6: to break my hope. Nothing's going to keep me from

1518
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 6: doing what I believe I should be doing. And I'm

1519
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 6: just going to keep going.

1520
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 1: Keeping going, all right, And we love you for that

1521
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: ate away from the tomp doctors. Ball Smith is guest.

1522
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 1: He's one of these one of the sixties the civil

1523
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: rights icons of marsh with doctor King and Andrew Young.

1524
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 1: After the LBJ signed that these Voting Rights Act and

1525
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 1: we get a chance to vote, did you have problems

1526
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: getting black folks.

1527
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 3: To go to the polls and we're still scared?

1528
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: Or what was this where the poll tax and questions

1529
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: like how high is high? Or how many bubbles in

1530
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: a bar soap? They used to ask our folks when

1531
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: they went to vote. Was that pride to the Voting

1532
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: Rights Act?

1533
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 6: Yes, said to get here. I'm sorry say yeah, I'm saying.

1534
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: After the after LBJ signed the Voting Rights Act, did

1535
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: you have problems without people going to the polls?

1536
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 5: And there was still so many Yes we did.

1537
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, some people wouldn't even let us in their

1538
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 6: homes because you know, we had what we had to do,

1539
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 6: and I think the HBCUs had a lot to do

1540
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 6: with that. We had to have centers where you were

1541
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 6: taught how to use how first of all, how do

1542
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 6: the necessity of voting, and how you had to vote,

1543
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 6: what you had to do, how you had to sign

1544
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 6: up for all of those things had to be learned

1545
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 6: because remember we hadn't we hadn't been able to do it,

1546
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 6: so it had to be learned. And also we had

1547
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 6: to inspire people and encourage people and make them understand

1548
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 6: how how many people had given their lives is right

1549
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 6: and so not to want to do it was was

1550
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 6: just a bad way of looking at our history as

1551
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 6: a people. So it took some time but again, those

1552
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 6: school kids, those college kids, they were out, you know,

1553
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 6: knocking on doors and neighborhoods and churches and community centers,

1554
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 6: making us aware of that we had the right to

1555
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 6: vote now and now we had to use that right

1556
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 6: and if we didn't, God was going to get us.

1557
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 6: That's how we put it.

1558
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,839
Speaker 1: My question is where there's still intimidation moves against you guys.

1559
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 3: Who into vote.

1560
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 6: Of course, yes, well see where card we were in

1561
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 6: bold and sure people you know they threatened us, uh,

1562
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 6: and and in all kinds of ways. You know, they

1563
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 6: got all kinds of hospital letters of course, but basically, uh,

1564
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 6: they knew that they could turn. First of all, we

1565
01:26:58,240 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 6: were not.

1566
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, your phone's going south on us again, doc.

1567
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 6: And secondly, because of the law, the people were I mean,

1568
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 6: we lived by the law in this country in spite

1569
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 6: of all the things we're seen, So people were respectful

1570
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 6: of the law. They were just not happy that we

1571
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,719
Speaker 6: were now being sort of made equal with them because

1572
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 6: we now had the right to vote. So, yeah, there

1573
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 6: was intimidation, there were threats against us and so forth,

1574
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 6: but we had the upper hand because we had the

1575
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 6: law behind us, and we knew that we could count

1576
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 6: on it all right, five.

1577
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: Away from the top, that we'll come on a breakthrough soon.

1578
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,959
Speaker 1: But doctor Smith, take us back to those days. What's

1579
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: your fondest memory of all those sixties and marches, rallies,

1580
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,600
Speaker 1: all all getting the voter rights out passed? Which do

1581
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: you remember the most?

1582
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 6: That's I was pastoring in Saint Louis, and it's sort

1583
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 6: of a pastoral experiment of two passes, one black, one white,

1584
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 6: and the congregation that was becoming totally integrated, and so

1585
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:11,520
Speaker 6: that was that was in an area that was redeveloped.

1586
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 6: Robert Weaver was they called the director of Housing at

1587
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 6: that point, and so the communities were changing, and there

1588
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 6: was an excitement, uh and a feeling that everything was

1589
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 6: going to be all right, not only because of the

1590
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 6: charisma of doctor King, but the fact that the government

1591
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 6: seemed to be understanding us as a as a people

1592
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 6: of color, and that had been under the weight of

1593
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 6: segregation discrimination for most of our lifetime. So those those

1594
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 6: were inspiring incidents for us. But in Saint Louis, we

1595
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:56,560
Speaker 6: had one of the best marchers, excuse me of that

1596
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 6: of the time. I think the year was probably somewhere

1597
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 6: in the late again, right after the ord right tack,

1598
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 6: and we just kind of took over downtown Saint They

1599
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 6: were singing songs, marching, holding hands. I have a picture

1600
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 6: of it actually in my study of my colleagues, who's

1601
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 6: now deceased, the reverend doctor Carl Dudley, and now who's

1602
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 6: we had started as ministry at Saint Louis. But to

1603
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 6: see us all marching and singing songs, and feeling that

1604
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 6: we had gotten the United States government to understand that

1605
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 6: we would be counted, that no one would ever again

1606
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 6: discriminate against it, that we were going to take seriously

1607
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 6: the new law that had had just been enacted, and

1608
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 6: for us not to be a part of that would

1609
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 6: be a betrayal of everything that we believed.

1610
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 1: All right, hold that though, Right then, we've got to

1611
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 1: check the traffic, and we have one more time in

1612
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 1: our different cities. Three minutes away from the top they

1613
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: own family. I guess this's doctor Paul Smith. It's one

1614
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: of the civil rights activis in Marching the sixties with

1615
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: doctor King and Andrew Young. When we come back with

1616
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: us some more questions for him and you two can

1617
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: join this discussion just to reach out to us at

1618
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: eight hundred and four or five zero, seventy eight, seventy six,

1619
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls at the trafficing weather.

1620
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: That's next.

1621
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 4: That's a nice things.

1622
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 12: I you know, I just don't want to jump out

1623
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 12: and said something.

1624
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 6: If you have a question, if you want to make it,

1625
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 6: I'll tell them. I'll tell a little bit where I

1626
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:28,600
Speaker 6: am and.

1627
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 10: That it's okay because for the time I'm going to

1628
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:34,520
Speaker 10: have a next couple, okay.

1629
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: And grand rising family. I'm actually rolling with us on

1630
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: this Thursday morning. We're speaking with doctor Paul Smith, he's

1631
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 1: one of the sixty civil rights activists, and Mama Charid.

1632
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: We're going to speak with chematologists Tony Browner. But I

1633
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: got a question for doctor Smith. Doctor Smith said, do

1634
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 1: you remember where you were if you assassination of doctor

1635
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King a seminal moment in our history. Do

1636
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 1: you remember what your ear and what did you do

1637
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 1: when you heard that doctor King had been assassinated?

1638
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 6: I know exactly before I was. I was talking my

1639
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 6: three year old daughter in the park when I heard

1640
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 6: the news, and because I was in the park and

1641
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:12,560
Speaker 6: because she's so small, I just remember just standing in

1642
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 6: from It's all too many to say that this can't be.

1643
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 6: It just can't be. And yes, so will. I will

1644
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 6: never forget that moment. But Carl, I wanted to sum

1645
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 6: this up in terms of where I am and what

1646
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 6: I believe in a couple of words. The question is

1647
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:42,879
Speaker 6: what is it that your audience and people of all strives.

1648
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 6: What is it we hunger for? That's the first question,

1649
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 6: What is it you really hunger for? And then the

1650
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 6: second part of that question is what you hunger for?

1651
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 6: How do you, Carl, Paul, doctor Paul, how do we

1652
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 6: make what we hunger for real? That's the work of

1653
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 6: my life, That's what I believe. That's what I try

1654
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 6: to do every day to make sure that I am

1655
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 6: in sync with the Creator, that I'm doing what the

1656
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 6: Creator has called me to do, and that whatever I

1657
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 6: believe in that I have to hold truth to that.

1658
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 6: I believe that I walk the walk. I don't talk

1659
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 6: to talk, I walk the walk. So I believe that

1660
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,799
Speaker 6: if you find what you hunger for, that the hunger

1661
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:37,560
Speaker 6: will lead you to do what is right. That's what

1662
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 6: I believe.

1663
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: And you're talking about hunger on a personal level or

1664
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 1: a collective level.

1665
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 6: Collective collective Again, it doesn't make any report your political

1666
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 6: what you believe for your party is and so in

1667
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 6: a sense, that really doesn't make a whole lot of

1668
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 6: difference if you don't have some kind of something deeper,

1669
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 6: in greater than that. And for me, that's my family,

1670
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 6: that that's my wife for sixty five plus years. That's

1671
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 6: having this conversation with you and your audience. Being a

1672
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 6: part of a community that really believes in some of

1673
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 6: the things that I say, makes it make the pulpits

1674
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 6: available for me. They read my book which is on Amazon,

1675
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 6: and again, to have this kind of celebration, to hear

1676
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 6: people say you made a difference in my life because

1677
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 6: of what you believe and because of what you experience.

1678
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 6: That's the goal. To walk by faith, not by sight,

1679
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:39,719
Speaker 6: to walk with your hand in some one else's hands.

1680
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 6: Surround yourself with people who believe what you believe, who

1681
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 6: challenge you, who make sure you're you're paying attention to

1682
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 6: the clues. Life is always giving us clues. We've always

1683
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 6: got it right. Now we've got cell phones in their ears,

1684
01:33:55,800 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 6: we got so many stretches the trees, doctors.

1685
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: Mate, don't you think what you guys achieved in the

1686
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,560
Speaker 1: sixties is sort of we've lost our appetite because we

1687
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: think we've made it because of your accomplishments Black people,

1688
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: and that I think, you know, an Obama of course,

1689
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 1: is a turning point. He made it to the White House.

1690
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 1: That's the struggle is different. There's no struggle because you guys,

1691
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 1: you struggle for us, you know, for equal rights. And

1692
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 1: so for most for many Black people that they feel

1693
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: they've arrived.

1694
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 6: You now, and and many do. I'm always amazed that

1695
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 6: at the moment of the value of you know, of

1696
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 6: African Americans dollar, there are many people who feel the way.

1697
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 6: And I think only in only because of what's what's

1698
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 6: in the administration. Now it's awakened some people. Now, you

1699
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,600
Speaker 6: know how many people are hurting with this, you know,

1700
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 6: with the government shut down. That that in a sense,

1701
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 6: that's kind of a blessing because it's knocked us back

1702
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 6: into our senses of what what really is happening. We

1703
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 6: are under see again, uh. And until we understand that, uh,

1704
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 6: I think we're beginning to understand and particuit with the

1705
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 6: election of the new governors, the mayor in New York,

1706
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 6: somebody in the you know, a pastor in New York,

1707
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 6: and so many my young people are just behind what's

1708
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:24,679
Speaker 6: happening now. Kind of change is what hope keeps hope alive.

1709
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 6: So I am hopeful, and I think that a number

1710
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 6: of people are now beginning to see that. They're understanding

1711
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 6: that what kind of car you drive and what kind

1712
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 6: of house you have, that's not what is important. It's

1713
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 6: what kind of rights you have, and what changes are

1714
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 6: you are? Are you being a part of making? And

1715
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 6: what are the things that make you come alive?

1716
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 4: And go do that?

1717
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 6: And I think that's what's happening now, and people are

1718
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 6: beginning to understand that unless we participate, unless we raise

1719
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 6: our voices, nothing's going to change. And we're beginning to

1720
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 6: see that now the tightest shifting and I'm so glad

1721
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 6: to be around a part of it.

1722
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna let you go, doctor Smith. I

1723
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 1: just want to thank you for all the abuse that

1724
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 1: your generation took for us so we can vote guys

1725
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 1: spitting in your face somehow that that side hasn't left

1726
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 1: my brain yet, because I know with all the non

1727
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,680
Speaker 1: violence training, it's just be a reflex to go off

1728
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:24,879
Speaker 1: on the person who spat.

1729
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:27,560
Speaker 5: You.

1730
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 1: See, you had some self control. Many of us don't

1731
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 1: have that kind of self control. But you took a

1732
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 1: lot of abuse and I just want to you know,

1733
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 1: if nobody's told you, thank I just want to thank you.

1734
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: And when you speak to ambassad Andrew, you I'm telling

1735
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 1: me thank him too for the abuse that you guys

1736
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: took for us to be here right today and do

1737
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 1: what we're doing.

1738
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 6: And thank you for having me to be able to

1739
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:48,680
Speaker 6: share destroy.

1740
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 1: All right, because your phone's going sound, thank you, doctor Smith.

1741
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

1742
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 1: All right, I think his phone is now all right, family,

1743
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 1: let's bringing Our next guest is chematologist Tony Browner Hotep,

1744
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Tony, welcome back to the.

1745
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 5: Program, Hotep, Brother Carl, it's good to be back. It's

1746
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 5: been a minute, and I always enjoy being a guest

1747
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 5: on your show.

1748
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's take us back, Tony, because you're a chematologist.

1749
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 1: But it didn't happen for you overnight. Tell us how

1750
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 1: you got involved in being a chematologist.

1751
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 4: Well, listen, I love to but let me do this.

1752
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 5: I was listening to your guests, doctor Paul Smith for

1753
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 5: the past forty five minutes or so. Interesting conversation, fascinating conversation,

1754
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 5: doctor Smith is almost a generation older than me, and

1755
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 5: while I appreciate what his generation did for my generation,

1756
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 5: I see things slightly differently, and I would love to

1757
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 5: have an opportunity to have a conversation with him about

1758
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 5: my perspective on some of the things that did right,

1759
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 5: some of the things that could have been done better,

1760
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 5: and also to provide a historical perspective on some of

1761
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 5: the things that he was talking about. So, if you

1762
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 5: don't mind, I like to spend a few moments. I

1763
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,640
Speaker 5: took some notes as he was talking, and I like

1764
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 5: to spend a few moments just just giving another perspective

1765
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:26,720
Speaker 5: of some of the things that he talked about. And

1766
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 5: I say this because, as doctor Smith said that he

1767
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 5: was closing, life is always challenging us. And challenges are

1768
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 5: good because they help us see things differently. And life

1769
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 5: is always giving us clues, and so we have to

1770
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 5: be open to recognize those clues whom they appear before us,

1771
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 5: so that we can learn from those clues. So a

1772
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 5: couple of things I wanted to just respond to. While

1773
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:00,719
Speaker 5: I was coming of age during the Civil Rights Movement,

1774
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 5: my life was impacted by it. I was four years

1775
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 5: old when Im Matill was murdered. I grew up in Chicago,

1776
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 5: Carl I was fourteen years old when Malcolm X was murdered.

1777
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 5: I was seventeen years old when Doctor King was murdered.

1778
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 5: And I remember vividly the impact of all three of

1779
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:23,600
Speaker 5: those murders a black man had on me growing up

1780
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:28,560
Speaker 5: in Chicago, which was when I was growing up and

1781
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 5: it still is today, the most racially segregated city in

1782
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 5: the United States. I understand how Mayor Daily, who is

1783
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,680
Speaker 5: the mayor for life in Chicago, during my childhood, I

1784
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 5: used politics as a means of controlling everybody in the city.

1785
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 5: I understand how he used a religion and pastors as

1786
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 5: a means of controlling the black community. So all of

1787
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 5: these things matter, All of these things impact us on

1788
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 5: multiple levels, and which still dealing with today in twenty

1789
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 5: twenty five, the same problems, the same issues we were

1790
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 5: dealing with in nineteen sixty five, and in nineteen twenty five,

1791
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 5: we're still dealing with the same problems. They've changed in

1792
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 5: form slightly, but the issues are still the same. And

1793
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 5: one of the things that I've come to understand. One

1794
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 5: of the things that I've come to realize is that

1795
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 5: black people African Americans, Negroes, colored people, whatever term we

1796
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 5: used to describe ourselves every thirty years, are in worse

1797
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 5: shape today in twenty twenty five than we were in

1798
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:46,679
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty seven. Our communities have been destroyed, our schools

1799
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 5: have been destroyed, our social systems and economic systems have

1800
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:55,719
Speaker 5: been destroyed. So even though we've had a black president

1801
01:40:55,760 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 5: who really didn't do much for us, in hindsight, we've

1802
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 5: lost a lot, and I think we've lost a lot

1803
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 5: in pursuit of this solusive thing called integration. You got

1804
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 5: to remember what doctor King said when he was in

1805
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 5: lbj's office and that civil rights legislation was being signed.

1806
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 5: Doctor King said, we are integrating into a bernie house.

1807
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 5: Doctor King realized that the real issue was not integration,

1808
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 5: it was fair rights. And I believe you had had

1809
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:34,560
Speaker 5: a conversation with Harry Belafonte at some point before he

1810
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 5: passed recently, where Belafante said that King had shared with

1811
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 5: him shortly before his assassination that very concerned we are

1812
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 5: integrating into a burning house. Doctor King came to realize

1813
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 5: late in his life some of the strategies that they

1814
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 5: had employed to gain civil rights or black folks were

1815
01:41:56,320 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 5: not the best strategies, and if he could do it differently,

1816
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 5: he probably would. I had an opportunity a number of

1817
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 5: years ago to hear a discussion by Doctor King's driver.

1818
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 5: He had written a book about, you know, his life,

1819
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 5: his time with Doctor King, and he shocked a lot

1820
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,519
Speaker 5: of people in the audience when he said the last

1821
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:24,360
Speaker 5: year in King's life, King carried a gun, right, And

1822
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 5: King carried a gun because the last year of his

1823
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 5: life was the year after he made the speech in

1824
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:37,600
Speaker 5: New York City on April the fourth of why I

1825
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 5: opposed the War to Vietnam. When King spoke out against

1826
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:45,479
Speaker 5: the Vietnam War, he began to align himself with the

1827
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 5: thinking and the philosophy of Malcolm X. He began to

1828
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:52,519
Speaker 5: look at racism as something that wasn't just exclusive to

1829
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 5: the United States, but it was international, and that it

1830
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 5: was based on people of color being persecuted by white people.

1831
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 5: So when Doctor King brought in his perspective and made

1832
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,679
Speaker 5: that speech about why he opposed the war in Vietnam,

1833
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:10,680
Speaker 5: all of his funding dried up. Doctor King spent the

1834
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 5: last year of his life struggling to hold SELC together

1835
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 5: because the people who had funded him were comfortable funding

1836
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 5: him as long as he was talking about racial issues

1837
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:26,960
Speaker 5: in America, as long as he kept our perspective and

1838
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 5: our understanding of the world confined to the United States

1839
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 5: of America and didn't adapt a world view. Once he

1840
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:38,799
Speaker 5: brought in his understanding of the world and the situation

1841
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 5: of people of color, specifically African people all over the world,

1842
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,080
Speaker 5: his philosophy changed and his money dried up.

1843
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 1: So it's his money drive, brother, Tony. We got to

1844
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 1: step aside for a few moments. I'll let you continue.

1845
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:53,559
Speaker 1: This is a fascinating discussion here with Tony Browner. Family.

1846
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:55,680
Speaker 1: You want to join the discussion, reach out to us

1847
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 1: at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight

1848
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 1: seventy six would take your calls out to this short

1849
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:03,000
Speaker 1: break and grand rising family, and thanks for rolling with

1850
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 1: us on this Thursday morning. Here twenty minutes after the

1851
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 1: top of that, I guess this is Tony brow Tony

1852
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 1: brown is mostly you know, as a chematologists, reflecting on

1853
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 1: some of the issues that our previous guest, doctor Paul

1854
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 1: Smith said this morning. So Tony, Ali, you get to

1855
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 1: finish your analysis.

1856
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 5: Sure.

1857
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:19,880
Speaker 3: Well.

1858
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 5: One of the things that I was saying, Carl before

1859
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 5: we went to the break was that we have to

1860
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 5: look at who financed King, who financed s CEOC, who

1861
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:32,760
Speaker 5: financed in THEBACP, who financed all of the black organizations,

1862
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 5: and so that they would advance a specific agenda, agenda,

1863
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 5: and now we have to ask who did that agenda

1864
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 5: really benefit. So when King broke away from the script

1865
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 5: and started speaking about racism and white supremacy on an

1866
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 5: international scale, his funding dried up. So some people benefited

1867
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 5: by having King adopt a non violent stance. I know

1868
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 5: of no struggle in any society that was nonviolent. So

1869
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 5: there's some questions that we need to ask. And I'm

1870
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:12,680
Speaker 5: not pulling doctor Smith and everyone who did put their

1871
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 5: lives on the line, but we should understand and we

1872
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:20,360
Speaker 5: should never forget that while King was marching non violently,

1873
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 5: there were groups of brothers and sisters with guns who

1874
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 5: made sure that they were protected. So it's not just

1875
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 5: you know, doing everything non violently in love your enemy.

1876
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 5: You got to have some balance and you got to

1877
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 5: be able to protect yourself. And the more you can

1878
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 5: protect yourself, the better you can protect yourself, the more

1879
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 5: your enemy will respect you. That's what the Black Panther

1880
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 5: Party did. That's why they had to be eliminated, because

1881
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:47,520
Speaker 5: they were about introducing a new thought, a new consciousness

1882
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:51,200
Speaker 5: into the Black community that our oppressors did not want

1883
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 5: to become a dominant thought. Now, a couple of other

1884
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 5: points that want to make before we could jump into

1885
01:45:56,439 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 5: our conversation for the day. I had the I have

1886
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 5: to had the pleasure and the honor of working with

1887
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 5: fire and Rows and Hank Sanders, Senator Hank Sanders and

1888
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 5: from Alabama, who were responsible for sponsoring the annual Bloody

1889
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 5: Sunday Jubilee in some Alabama. I've been going down there

1890
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 5: every year for over fifteen years, and going down there,

1891
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:26,320
Speaker 5: I have had an opportunity to meet many of the

1892
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 5: people who were beaten at the foot of the Edna

1893
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 5: Pettis Bridge on Bloody Sunday in nineteen sixty five. They

1894
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,519
Speaker 5: had an opportunity to hear many of the ministers and

1895
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 5: some of the politicians, and especially I've had an opportunity

1896
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:50,839
Speaker 5: to be behind the scenes and to watch how things

1897
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 5: function behind the scenes. And I'm not going to call

1898
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,479
Speaker 5: any names now, but I can tell you what goes

1899
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:01,640
Speaker 5: on behind the scenes is to be different than what

1900
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 5: happens in front of the camera, everything is not as

1901
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 5: it appears. So that being said, there are a lot

1902
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 5: of people pulling strings behind the scene, and there are

1903
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:16,680
Speaker 5: a lot of illusions that are being created, which the

1904
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:20,600
Speaker 5: masses just followed. So what we got to do with

1905
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 5: the publicans got to do. We've got to read, we've

1906
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 5: got to study, we've got to listen to everybody, and

1907
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:29,200
Speaker 5: we've got to be able to do a critical analysis

1908
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 5: so that we understand what's really going on. I've also

1909
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 5: had the pleasure for over twenty five years of working

1910
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 5: with Children's Defense Fund and doing their Freedom School training.

1911
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 5: So a lot of the civil rights activities were centered

1912
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:48,679
Speaker 5: around Freedom school and the freedom school events came out

1913
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 5: of the civil rights movement of the sixties, and Children's

1914
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:59,599
Speaker 5: Defense Fund was created in order to reanimate that spirit

1915
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 5: the civil rights movement and establish these freedom schools and

1916
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 5: urban centers throughout the North, primarily to help young people

1917
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:13,439
Speaker 5: understand why our people struggled in the civil rights movement,

1918
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 5: why they fought, why they die. And the Children's Defense

1919
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:23,120
Speaker 5: Fund had purchased the Alex Haley farm after he died,

1920
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:25,720
Speaker 5: and that's where all of our trainings took place, so

1921
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 5: I would go down to Clinton, Tennessee every year, two

1922
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 5: through times a year sometimes, and one of the trips

1923
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Speaker 5: that we made in Clinton, Tennessee, and well, let me

1924
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:41,760
Speaker 5: give you some perspectives. We would always have people from

1925
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,759
Speaker 5: the civil rights movement come and talk to the young people,

1926
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Speaker 5: come and talk to the trainers, and I would ask questions.

1927
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 5: You know, that's my nature. I'm always asking probing questions.

1928
01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily just drink the kool aid and go

1929
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 5: along with everyone else. I want to understand why things

1930
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 5: happen and who set things their motions that made things happen.

1931
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:04,479
Speaker 5: And so I would ask the questions about, well, who

1932
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 5: trained doctor King, who trained doctor Smith, who trained doctor Young,

1933
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 5: who trained Marion Berry? Who trained all of these people

1934
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:14,960
Speaker 5: to be non violent? And someone said, oh, you're talking

1935
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,840
Speaker 5: about the Highlanders Center. I had never heard of the

1936
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 5: Highlanders Center, but at one of my visits two Children's

1937
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 5: Defense Fund, we actually made a trip to the Highlander Center.

1938
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:30,560
Speaker 5: The Highlander Center is also in Tennessee, and it was

1939
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:35,560
Speaker 5: started initially by white folk, by liberal white folk, to

1940
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 5: help four white people develop their rights and their awareness

1941
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 5: so that they can defend themselves, protect themselves politically, social

1942
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 5: med and economically so they can improve their quality of life.

1943
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 5: And the people who ran the Highlanders Center saw what

1944
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:56,839
Speaker 5: was happening with civil rights and then expanded their agenda

1945
01:49:57,240 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 5: to bring in colored people, doctor King and his whole crew,

1946
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 5: where they began to train them on how to engage

1947
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:11,599
Speaker 5: in civil rights activities, how to maintain your composure when

1948
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 5: someone is spitting at you, when someone is talking about

1949
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 5: your mom and calling you the N word, when someone

1950
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 5: is beating you. So there's a whole training that took

1951
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 5: place over the course of years in order to create

1952
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:27,680
Speaker 5: the leadership which was then put in front of this

1953
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 5: movement in order to leave the masses in a specific,

1954
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:36,879
Speaker 5: non violent direction. And so it's important that we understand

1955
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 5: how the white folk who were creating all these problems

1956
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 5: to begin with were responding to the Highlanders Center. There's

1957
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:48,160
Speaker 5: a very famous photograph that was placed on billboards in

1958
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:52,880
Speaker 5: the nineteen sixties, a picture of doctor King along with

1959
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:56,640
Speaker 5: any young and some other folk who were at the

1960
01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 5: Highlanders Center being trained for the civil rights demonstration. And

1961
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:08,599
Speaker 5: that photograph was put on billboards by Southern racist white

1962
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:12,360
Speaker 5: Christians and had to say that they were Southern racist

1963
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,880
Speaker 5: white Christians. The same people who believe in God and

1964
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:21,800
Speaker 5: Jesus that Doctor King believed in were antithetical to Doctor

1965
01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 5: King and everything that he stood for that point cannot

1966
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 5: be eliminated, which means that we've got to begin to

1967
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:32,360
Speaker 5: look at who taught us to worship the same God

1968
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:35,280
Speaker 5: as our enemies. That's a whole nother topic conversation. But

1969
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 5: those billboards who out the South said that doctor King

1970
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:40,960
Speaker 5: was a communist and the people who ran in the

1971
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:45,040
Speaker 5: Highlanders Center were being funded by communists. Now that was

1972
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:48,360
Speaker 5: a lie, but that lie was being used to taint

1973
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:54,160
Speaker 5: the waters so that those southern racist white Christians would

1974
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 5: believe the lie and attack doctor King and opposed everything

1975
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 5: that doctor King was doing. Still being lied to today

1976
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:08,559
Speaker 5: by Southern and northern white racist Christians who are telling

1977
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:14,240
Speaker 5: the same lies in order to confuse and confuse everybody

1978
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:17,479
Speaker 5: and divide the nations so that they can continue running.

1979
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:19,439
Speaker 5: Gain two more points I want to make, and then

1980
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 5: we could jump in through our conversation. Doctor Smith made

1981
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:33,880
Speaker 5: reference to Howard Thurman. Howard Thurman was charted Howard's School

1982
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 5: of Divinity. Howard Thurman is a person that most Christians

1983
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:44,559
Speaker 5: don't know about, but they need to understand this man,

1984
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:49,240
Speaker 5: Howard Thurman was the man, the minister who had the

1985
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 5: greatest impact on doctor King. Howard Thurman was the man

1986
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:58,759
Speaker 5: who had traveled to India and met Gandhi and turned

1987
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:05,639
Speaker 5: Doctor King on to Gandhi. Howard Thurman was a Christian

1988
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 5: who transcended Christianity and began to delve into the spirituality

1989
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:16,679
Speaker 5: of religion. Now I want to repeat that statement. Howard

1990
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:22,360
Speaker 5: Thurman was a Christian minister who transcended Christianity and delved

1991
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:30,479
Speaker 5: into spirituality. And so if you go to Morehouse College

1992
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 5: today you will see King Chapel which is dedicated to

1993
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 5: doctor Martin Luther King, who was an alumni of Morehouse College.

1994
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:45,680
Speaker 5: In front of King's Chapel, there is a checking. The

1995
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 5: rightful call it an obelist. A checking is the oldest

1996
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:55,040
Speaker 5: symbol of resurrection known to mankind. A checking is the

1997
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 5: symbol which represents the resurrection of Asar and the story

1998
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:01,400
Speaker 5: of the resurrection of of the Sar is the first

1999
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 5: story of a resurrection, is the first story of a

2000
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 5: so called emactical conception. It's the first story of a

2001
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:13,920
Speaker 5: virgin birth. The story of the Sar, his son Herow,

2002
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:17,280
Speaker 5: and his wife a sent is the First Trinity in

2003
01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:22,760
Speaker 5: human consciousness. That story is the foundation for Christianity, but

2004
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:25,840
Speaker 5: most Christians know nothing about it. Here's the key, here's

2005
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:30,200
Speaker 5: the point that I'm making. That checking is dedicated to

2006
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:38,400
Speaker 5: Howard Therman. That teching contains the cremains of Howard Thurman.

2007
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:42,680
Speaker 5: So the point I'm making is we live a life

2008
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 5: of contradictions, and until we develop the consciousness and the

2009
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:54,680
Speaker 5: courage to examine these contradictions, to put them down in

2010
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:58,400
Speaker 5: front of us, and to study them, to understand where

2011
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 5: they came from and how they impact, because we will

2012
01:55:01,080 --> 01:55:04,960
Speaker 5: never be free. We can pray to the White Man's

2013
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:08,080
Speaker 5: God all we want, we can pray to the Arab

2014
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:10,880
Speaker 5: Man's God all we want, we can pray to the

2015
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:16,400
Speaker 5: Jewish Man's God all we want. But until we understand

2016
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 5: these contradictions and how these contradictions were shaped into a

2017
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 5: consciousness that was poured into the brains of people who

2018
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:33,320
Speaker 5: did not study, people who did not read, people who

2019
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:37,880
Speaker 5: were comfortable being told what to do and believing in

2020
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:42,280
Speaker 5: things instead of knowing. There's a profound difference between the two.

2021
01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:46,400
Speaker 5: It is about knowing. So you asked me, your initial

2022
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 5: question is how did I get involved in studying kimmod.

2023
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:54,320
Speaker 5: I became involved in studying kimmd because once I realized

2024
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 5: that we had been brain wash, we had been, as

2025
01:55:57,680 --> 01:56:01,879
Speaker 5: Malcolm said, hood wing bambooze. And one of those greatest

2026
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 5: weapons for hoodwinking any people is religion. A good friend

2027
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 5: of mine, who was a pastor and it was also

2028
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 5: an attorney, said, religion and nationalism are the last refuge

2029
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:25,840
Speaker 5: of scoundrels. Religion and nationalism are the last refuge of scoundrels.

2030
01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:28,160
Speaker 5: So if you look at what's happening right now in

2031
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 5: this government with the leadership of this government, this government

2032
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:37,840
Speaker 5: is being led by religious zealouts who are using nationalism

2033
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:41,680
Speaker 5: to steal all of the wealth of the world and

2034
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:46,680
Speaker 5: put everybody in the poorhouse. That's happening now in real time,

2035
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:51,360
Speaker 5: and unless until people wake up and realize that, as

2036
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 5: dig Gregory often said, this whole thing is a game,

2037
01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:58,680
Speaker 5: and these games are being played on the ignorant, on

2038
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 5: the ill, and so on, and can only continue to

2039
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:04,920
Speaker 5: be played as long as you don't know that it's

2040
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:07,400
Speaker 5: a game. And said here you had often said that

2041
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:13,080
Speaker 5: by the time a fool learns the rules of the game,

2042
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:17,760
Speaker 5: all of the players have gone home. So We're getting

2043
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 5: close to the end of the game. Things are changing

2044
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 5: dramatically in this country and in the world, and people

2045
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:32,520
Speaker 5: are going to have to wake up. I've been saying

2046
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:35,520
Speaker 5: on your show for a long time, Carl, that it

2047
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:40,360
Speaker 5: takes a calamity. It takes a crisis before the general

2048
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 5: population wakes up and starts doing what they've had the

2049
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 5: capacity to do for years, for decades, maybe even centuries.

2050
01:57:50,640 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 5: And we are approaching a catastrophe.

2051
01:57:54,760 --> 01:57:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, right there, brother Tony, I thought right there. Twenty

2052
01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,920
Speaker 1: six nights away from the Top. I got a two

2053
01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 1: before we go off into that segments. Brother tuity for you,

2054
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:06,200
Speaker 1: and he says, Hotep, with all due respects, mister Browder,

2055
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 1: black people, colored people are African American today are in

2056
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:14,160
Speaker 1: the best position as opposed to nineteen sixty five, nineteen

2057
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:17,360
Speaker 1: twenty five, et cetera. All racist views are directly in

2058
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:20,720
Speaker 1: front of us. It's chaos, and therein lies our opportunity

2059
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:22,480
Speaker 1: to create systems for ourselves.

2060
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 5: Well, let me respond by saying, we had systems before integration.

2061
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:31,760
Speaker 5: We had more systems in place. We had systems to

2062
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:37,000
Speaker 5: educate our youth so our youth were productive members of society.

2063
01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:41,280
Speaker 5: We don't have that now. We had more businesses in

2064
01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:44,560
Speaker 5: the twenties during segregation then we had now. When I

2065
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:48,880
Speaker 5: say businesses, I'm thinking in terms of We typically make

2066
01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 5: reference to Tulsa, Oklahoma and Black Wall Street, but there

2067
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:56,720
Speaker 5: were dozens of Tulsas, they were dozens of Black Wall Street.

2068
01:58:56,840 --> 01:59:00,400
Speaker 5: Why Because during segregation, we understood what the issue work,

2069
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:03,760
Speaker 5: and we understood the importance of coming together and working together,

2070
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:07,400
Speaker 5: educating our children, caring for our children, loving each other.

2071
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 5: We don't have much of that now and as a

2072
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:16,960
Speaker 5: result of integration essentially led to the disintegration of all

2073
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:20,360
Speaker 5: of those things that sustain us, and the bottom is

2074
01:59:20,440 --> 01:59:25,080
Speaker 5: falling out. And what we're witnessing now, particularly with the

2075
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:28,200
Speaker 5: government shut down, which is the longest government shut down

2076
01:59:28,720 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 5: in US history, African Americans have typically sought refuge in

2077
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:38,920
Speaker 5: the federal government. Jobs with the federal government, and here

2078
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:42,120
Speaker 5: in Prince Georgia County, where I live, Prince George's County

2079
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:45,360
Speaker 5: has had the distinction for over three decades of being

2080
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:49,240
Speaker 5: the only majority minority county in the United States. Prince

2081
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:52,840
Speaker 5: George's County has the highest concentration of wealthy black people

2082
01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:57,080
Speaker 5: in the United States, educated black people in the United States.

2083
01:59:57,960 --> 02:00:02,200
Speaker 5: But what has happened since? This show a large sentence

2084
02:00:02,280 --> 02:00:05,800
Speaker 5: of what it's happened since the shutdown, and our quote

2085
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 5: Edwin Nichols, because he pulled my quote on this that

2086
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:13,040
Speaker 5: Princevillge's counting now leads the state of Maryland in foreclosures.

2087
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:17,400
Speaker 5: That's black folks who being foreclosed on, right, and so

2088
02:00:17,680 --> 02:00:21,520
Speaker 5: black folk now and what was the wealthiest concentration of

2089
02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:23,920
Speaker 5: black folks a bleeding money?

2090
02:00:24,760 --> 02:00:24,920
Speaker 4: Why?

2091
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:29,000
Speaker 5: Because we were over extended? Why were we overextended? Because

2092
02:00:29,120 --> 02:00:34,760
Speaker 5: we were bought into being conspicuous consumers. We bought things

2093
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:40,720
Speaker 5: we didn't need. Right, we live paycheck to paycheck. And

2094
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:43,520
Speaker 5: now that the rug has been pulled out from under

2095
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:49,000
Speaker 5: tens of thousands of people, you know, they're now scrambling

2096
02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:51,440
Speaker 5: to figure out how they're going to make it. So

2097
02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:56,360
Speaker 5: I would respectfully disagree with the tweeter. I see that

2098
02:00:57,040 --> 02:01:03,120
Speaker 5: many Black people are in worse shape now financial, actually, educationally, socially,

2099
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:08,080
Speaker 5: our health is in dire straits. We saw that during

2100
02:01:08,200 --> 02:01:11,720
Speaker 5: COVID we are the largest percentage of deaths. We're African

2101
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:19,080
Speaker 5: Americans who had cold mobilities. We see dysfunction within our households.

2102
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:23,360
Speaker 5: We have more divorces now than ever before. So in

2103
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:27,040
Speaker 5: some respects it may appear as though we're doing better.

2104
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:31,120
Speaker 5: But when you step back and look at twenty twenty five,

2105
02:01:31,320 --> 02:01:35,520
Speaker 5: ten years from now, you will see that many mistakes

2106
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:39,520
Speaker 5: were made and people didn't realize that they could have

2107
02:01:39,640 --> 02:01:42,640
Speaker 5: done things that they should have done things differently.

2108
02:01:45,120 --> 02:01:46,920
Speaker 1: Step aside for a few moments. I'll let you pick

2109
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:48,839
Speaker 1: it up on there. What should have be done differently?

2110
02:01:48,920 --> 02:01:50,640
Speaker 1: Tell us what we need to be doing right now,

2111
02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:52,880
Speaker 1: twenty two minutes away from the top of our family.

2112
02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:55,400
Speaker 1: I guess there's chematologist Tony Browner. You want to join

2113
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:58,480
Speaker 1: this conversation. Reach out to us. Telephone number is eight

2114
02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:01,480
Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

2115
02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:03,120
Speaker 1: Ye'll take your phone calls next.

2116
02:02:05,680 --> 02:02:06,440
Speaker 4: To exactly.

2117
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:07,560
Speaker 13: Perspective is freedom?

2118
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:10,000
Speaker 6: All right?

2119
02:02:10,360 --> 02:02:12,680
Speaker 3: You want to give viewer and feel lighter tomorrow.

2120
02:02:13,480 --> 02:02:14,360
Speaker 6: Here's your subtle art.

2121
02:02:14,440 --> 02:02:17,600
Speaker 1: Start at six am Eastern time right here in Baltimore

2122
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:20,160
Speaker 1: on ten ten w LB and also in the DMV

2123
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:24,240
Speaker 1: on fourteen fifty WOL. All right, let's go back to Tony. Brother. Tony,

2124
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:26,720
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought then, Sondra and Baltimore

2125
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:27,880
Speaker 1: as a comment for you.

2126
02:02:29,200 --> 02:02:33,240
Speaker 5: Sure, What I like to do is refer your listeners

2127
02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:36,560
Speaker 5: to go to the Carl Nelson Show and pull up

2128
02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:40,200
Speaker 5: the podcast of the last interview you did with doctor

2129
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:45,960
Speaker 5: James Taylor. Carl that interview with fire. I love doctor Taylor.

2130
02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:49,800
Speaker 5: He is clear, he is passionate, and he laid it

2131
02:02:50,120 --> 02:02:54,120
Speaker 5: down and said, what the circumstances were is what we

2132
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:57,080
Speaker 5: need to be doing. Folks should listen to that interview

2133
02:02:57,400 --> 02:03:00,360
Speaker 5: and take notes and doing the course of that interview, Carl,

2134
02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:06,400
Speaker 5: you brought up markm Anaheim, who basically co signed everything

2135
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Speaker 5: that doctor Taylor was talking about. And Mark said, Mark said,

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Speaker 5: you better have your to go back, and you need

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Speaker 5: to have me. Ray One Bush said, you need to

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02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:20,360
Speaker 5: have your passport and some cash so that when things

2139
02:03:20,440 --> 02:03:25,200
Speaker 5: get rough, if you're in a position to leave, you

2140
02:03:25,320 --> 02:03:27,960
Speaker 5: should leave, and you should know where to go in

2141
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:31,560
Speaker 5: order to get away from the madness that's going to

2142
02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:34,760
Speaker 5: be consuming this country. And we're at a point now,

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Speaker 5: you know, this past Tuesday was a wonderful day. I'm

2144
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Speaker 5: glad so many people went out and voted. I'm glad

2145
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:45,280
Speaker 5: that people express their displeasures, but you can't just do

2146
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:47,280
Speaker 5: it on voting day. You have to do it for

2147
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:49,960
Speaker 5: the rest of your life to put evil in check.

2148
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:54,280
Speaker 5: We saw evil lose on Tuesday, But what I also

2149
02:03:54,480 --> 02:04:00,440
Speaker 5: know is that evil doesn't just walk away. Evil was

2150
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:04,280
Speaker 5: what we saw on January the sixth. Evil fights back.

2151
02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:07,960
Speaker 5: Evil is not non violent. So you better prepare yourself

2152
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:11,720
Speaker 5: because these jokers are going to fight back and they

2153
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:16,480
Speaker 5: don't play fair. And the point is that all the

2154
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:19,400
Speaker 5: praying is not going to help you against their evil

2155
02:04:19,480 --> 02:04:23,560
Speaker 5: because they're praying to win, just as we are praying

2156
02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:27,400
Speaker 5: to win as well. So we got to realize that

2157
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Speaker 5: there are other powers that supersede prayer, the other levels

2158
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:40,800
Speaker 5: of work that supersede prayer, and we need to begin more.

2159
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:44,200
Speaker 5: People need to begin to understand that reality and make

2160
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:47,840
Speaker 5: a conscious choice to function on that level. So I'll

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Speaker 5: shut up and now and take a question or a call.

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Speaker 1: All right, Sandra, We'll go to her fifteen away from

2163
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:56,600
Speaker 1: the top down. She's in baltimorerow She's online to Grant Rising. Sandra,

2164
02:04:56,640 --> 02:04:57,520
Speaker 1: you're on with Tony.

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Speaker 12: Browner, glamorizing call to union your guests. Doctor. Excuse me, Rowler.

2166
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Speaker 12: I love you and respect you, sir. I can't wait

2167
02:05:10,280 --> 02:05:13,000
Speaker 12: when you come on. But that person who tweeted just

2168
02:05:13,120 --> 02:05:16,080
Speaker 12: before Carl went to break, he done lost his mind

2169
02:05:16,160 --> 02:05:18,760
Speaker 12: and don't know where to find it. If he think

2170
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Speaker 12: that we're doing better, he got to be crazy. We

2171
02:05:22,160 --> 02:05:26,080
Speaker 12: gave up everything to any degree. We had more hospital,

2172
02:05:26,360 --> 02:05:30,280
Speaker 12: more banks, more schools, more land than we could ever

2173
02:05:30,440 --> 02:05:35,800
Speaker 12: have today. So undoubtly he don't read. And what you

2174
02:05:35,880 --> 02:05:39,680
Speaker 12: said about the organization that secretly people don't know about.

2175
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:44,320
Speaker 12: Malcolm Book was bandited because he was beginning to talk

2176
02:05:44,360 --> 02:05:47,920
Speaker 12: about that. They didn't want Matthew to talk about the

2177
02:05:48,040 --> 02:05:52,440
Speaker 12: secret organization that was helping over the civil rights. And

2178
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:55,480
Speaker 12: he was named with the people and the preachers who

2179
02:05:55,640 --> 02:05:59,000
Speaker 12: was involved in that. And they took money and they

2180
02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:02,480
Speaker 12: ran them out of town. They they gave him a deadline. Well,

2181
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:04,240
Speaker 12: after you do it, you have to do for it.

2182
02:06:04,680 --> 02:06:06,880
Speaker 10: You take this money and you can get out of.

2183
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:12,920
Speaker 12: Town before sun. Uh before sundown. Mackelm talks about that

2184
02:06:14,600 --> 02:06:16,360
Speaker 12: it's deeper than people can imagine.

2185
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Speaker 10: And I don't believe all this hope of specs with

2186
02:06:19,200 --> 02:06:21,600
Speaker 10: this uh it lets you eager. I believe some of

2187
02:06:21,680 --> 02:06:25,000
Speaker 10: these mega people that circled their wagons and went out

2188
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:28,120
Speaker 10: there and voted it because they was angry with Donald Trump.

2189
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:31,840
Speaker 10: They had they're gonna come back. Nobody liked it the guy,

2190
02:06:32,080 --> 02:06:34,520
Speaker 10: the Indian guy before, but all of a sudden, now

2191
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:37,320
Speaker 10: they all like him. They're gonna vote for him. I

2192
02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:40,920
Speaker 10: think they played us on this end too. You gotta

2193
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:43,280
Speaker 10: watch these white people. They did it. They just do

2194
02:06:43,400 --> 02:06:45,640
Speaker 10: some things to make your heads of them. Of course

2195
02:06:45,680 --> 02:06:48,720
Speaker 10: you know about this. And as far as Gandhi, Gandhi

2196
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:51,280
Speaker 10: wasn't all that in love with black people because they

2197
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:56,240
Speaker 10: found out they didn't like black people. So all of

2198
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Speaker 10: them was paid during the civil rights time.

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Speaker 1: All right, Sandra, let me respond to anything she said.

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Speaker 5: Well, no, I appreciate, I appreciate her insights. I appreciate

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02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:21,480
Speaker 5: her insights and her wisdom and her passion. And you

2202
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:22,720
Speaker 5: know there there is truth in.

2203
02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:23,320
Speaker 4: What she said.

2204
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:25,680
Speaker 5: The only thing that that I would say is that

2205
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:30,919
Speaker 5: I don't I don't necessarily agree with calling our people stupid.

2206
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:36,040
Speaker 5: We may act stupidly, and we remember Barack Obama got

2207
02:07:36,080 --> 02:07:40,040
Speaker 5: in trouble for saying the white police officers acted stupidly,

2208
02:07:40,600 --> 02:07:45,360
Speaker 5: but we do we do have to exercise more compassion

2209
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:48,160
Speaker 5: when we deal with our people because our people have

2210
02:07:48,280 --> 02:07:50,960
Speaker 5: been brainwashed, our people have been miss educated. More so

2211
02:07:51,160 --> 02:07:54,080
Speaker 5: now than probably at any other point in history, because

2212
02:07:54,520 --> 02:07:57,480
Speaker 5: there's so many people out here with access to the

2213
02:07:57,640 --> 02:08:03,320
Speaker 5: media who are sowing sea of confusion, seeds of ignorance,

2214
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:09,240
Speaker 5: and many people lacked the capacity of discernment, and they

2215
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:11,640
Speaker 5: believe in anything that they hear. As matter of fact,

2216
02:08:11,720 --> 02:08:15,760
Speaker 5: it was one of Adolf Hitler's principal henchmen who said

2217
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:18,800
Speaker 5: that if you tell a lie often enough, and tell

2218
02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:24,240
Speaker 5: a lie with conviction, then the unassuming public will accept

2219
02:08:24,280 --> 02:08:27,720
Speaker 5: a lie and reject the truth when he's presented to them.

2220
02:08:28,120 --> 02:08:32,400
Speaker 5: And one would do well to study Adolf Hitler and

2221
02:08:32,760 --> 02:08:39,640
Speaker 5: his people. His team convinced the German people to follow

2222
02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:43,320
Speaker 5: them straight to hell. Doctor Wilson often talked about this

2223
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:47,640
Speaker 5: and wrote about this, and it's one of the things

2224
02:08:47,800 --> 02:08:51,680
Speaker 5: that she that she did after she graduated from from

2225
02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:55,120
Speaker 5: college her father, who was a position after what she

2226
02:08:55,640 --> 02:08:59,360
Speaker 5: wanted for a graduation graduation gift, She said she wanted

2227
02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:03,880
Speaker 5: to go to Germany to study how the German people

2228
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:09,840
Speaker 5: could buy into Adolph Hitler's madness. And so we're seeing

2229
02:09:09,960 --> 02:09:14,720
Speaker 5: the same strategies, the same tactics have been used by Maga.

2230
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:18,640
Speaker 5: So a lot of people have drunk the kool aidy,

2231
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:23,800
Speaker 5: and they will suffered the consequences of not learning how

2232
02:09:23,960 --> 02:09:27,080
Speaker 5: to be or not learning the value of becoming critical thinkers.

2233
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:29,480
Speaker 5: So you asked me, carl It at the top of

2234
02:09:29,560 --> 02:09:31,840
Speaker 5: this interview almost an hour ago. Now, what got me

2235
02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:36,440
Speaker 5: started in studying Commitic history. What got me started was

2236
02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:39,440
Speaker 5: when I realized that I had been lied to all

2237
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:43,880
Speaker 5: of my life. I realized that only after I met

2238
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:47,160
Speaker 5: doctor Ivan van Certema, and he told me in nineteen

2239
02:09:47,240 --> 02:09:50,640
Speaker 5: seventy seven, February the twenty first, nineteen seventy seven, I

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02:09:50,760 --> 02:09:53,840
Speaker 5: met Van Certemon who was giving a lecture at Georgetown

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02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:56,680
Speaker 5: Law School here in Washington, DC, and he had just

2242
02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:59,600
Speaker 5: published his book that came before Columbus, the African Presidence

2243
02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:03,920
Speaker 5: in Amyria, America. And Van Certema, as your listeners, should

2244
02:10:03,920 --> 02:10:09,160
Speaker 5: be aware of his work, where he documented the travel

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02:10:09,400 --> 02:10:12,800
Speaker 5: of the Omes Africans who traveled from the Now Valley

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02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:17,160
Speaker 5: across the Atlantic Ocean into Mexico and brought their cargo

2247
02:10:17,320 --> 02:10:20,240
Speaker 5: of knowledge with them and jumped out of civilization in

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Speaker 5: the Americas. In Mexico, Van Certema showed images of the

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02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:28,880
Speaker 5: Omic heads. Van Cerdema showed the temples that they built

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Speaker 5: and all of the technology that they brought with them,

2251
02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:35,760
Speaker 5: and Van Certima blew my mind when he said that

2252
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:38,880
Speaker 5: these Omecs were from the now Valley, they were from Egypt,

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02:10:38,920 --> 02:10:42,360
Speaker 5: and they were black. I had never heard anybody prior

2254
02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:45,600
Speaker 5: to that time tell me that danger Egyptians were black.

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Speaker 5: I never read that in any book, and I thought

2256
02:10:48,280 --> 02:10:51,200
Speaker 5: I was well educated. That's when I realized that I

2257
02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:54,120
Speaker 5: have been miseducated, and so I began the process of

2258
02:10:54,200 --> 02:10:57,800
Speaker 5: re educating myself. And in the process of re educating myself,

2259
02:10:58,120 --> 02:11:00,960
Speaker 5: I discovered what I referred to as for bidden knowledge,

2260
02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:05,400
Speaker 5: historical information document the truths that were not allowed to

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02:11:05,480 --> 02:11:08,760
Speaker 5: be taught in classrooms, that were not allowed to be

2262
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:13,160
Speaker 5: preached in churches, that were not allowed to be disseminated

2263
02:11:13,600 --> 02:11:16,800
Speaker 5: via the media. A whole new world opened up for me,

2264
02:11:17,120 --> 02:11:20,760
Speaker 5: and as a result, I became aware of John J. Jackson,

2265
02:11:20,880 --> 02:11:25,160
Speaker 5: Johnny Guard, Doctor Ben. I went to Egypt with Doctor Ben.

2266
02:11:25,560 --> 02:11:28,720
Speaker 5: I spent first thirteen days on the nine was doctor

2267
02:11:28,760 --> 02:11:31,720
Speaker 5: Ben in December of nineteen eighty and I came back

2268
02:11:31,840 --> 02:11:36,040
Speaker 5: a transformed person. I had the opportunity to see with

2269
02:11:36,280 --> 02:11:41,600
Speaker 5: my own eyes information that had intentionally been withheld from me,

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02:11:42,120 --> 02:11:44,880
Speaker 5: and I made the decision to use all of my

2271
02:11:45,120 --> 02:11:49,440
Speaker 5: time to re educate myself and then to do what

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02:11:49,640 --> 02:11:52,520
Speaker 5: I was learning to do to educate those who were

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02:11:52,600 --> 02:11:55,560
Speaker 5: willing to be educated. So that has been my life,

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02:11:55,600 --> 02:11:58,200
Speaker 5: that has been my career, that has been my journey

2275
02:11:58,280 --> 02:12:02,920
Speaker 5: for the past forty eight years, and I've done some

2276
02:12:03,080 --> 02:12:07,720
Speaker 5: incredible things as a result of understanding profound historical truth.

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02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:10,800
Speaker 5: Let me think about my grandson boy, our babycit later

2278
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:16,440
Speaker 5: bye by love my grandson man. Life is beautiful despite

2279
02:12:16,520 --> 02:12:19,000
Speaker 5: all the craziness and madness out here in the world.

2280
02:12:19,120 --> 02:12:22,000
Speaker 5: Life is beautiful. Family is beautiful. And if he really

2281
02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:25,040
Speaker 5: love life, if we really love family, will take the time.

2282
02:12:25,320 --> 02:12:28,520
Speaker 5: We'll learn to read, we'll learn to study, we'll learn

2283
02:12:28,600 --> 02:12:31,760
Speaker 5: to become critical thinkers, and then we'll use that knowledge

2284
02:12:31,800 --> 02:12:35,240
Speaker 5: to build the best life possible for ourselves and our families.

2285
02:12:35,600 --> 02:12:39,320
Speaker 5: That's what we did during slavery, That's what we did

2286
02:12:39,480 --> 02:12:43,200
Speaker 5: during jim pro That's what we did during segregation. We

2287
02:12:43,320 --> 02:12:47,000
Speaker 5: were forced to come together and we allowed that African spirit,

2288
02:12:47,160 --> 02:12:50,480
Speaker 5: that ancestral and intelligence to flow through us, and it

2289
02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:54,240
Speaker 5: protected us, it guided us during times that are far

2290
02:12:54,360 --> 02:12:56,800
Speaker 5: worst that we could ever imagine. When we gave that

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02:12:57,040 --> 02:13:03,360
Speaker 5: up with integration, we've lost our foundation, we lost our way,

2292
02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:06,960
Speaker 5: and as a consequence, we now find ourselves in the situations,

2293
02:13:07,080 --> 02:13:09,440
Speaker 5: in the direstrats that we're in right now. So what

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02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:12,800
Speaker 5: I'm saying is, as bad as things are, there's still

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02:13:12,840 --> 02:13:16,720
Speaker 5: a way to turn things around. You have to be willing,

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02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:19,120
Speaker 5: you have to be aware that there is a way,

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02:13:19,680 --> 02:13:23,760
Speaker 5: and you have to learn what those ways are and

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02:13:23,880 --> 02:13:28,960
Speaker 5: then commit yourself to enacting those ways in your life

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02:13:29,120 --> 02:13:32,200
Speaker 5: for the rest of your life. And when you do that,

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02:13:32,920 --> 02:13:37,400
Speaker 5: you deserve to have meaningful changes and you'll experience a

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02:13:37,480 --> 02:13:39,640
Speaker 5: more meaningful life. So at this point in my life,

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Speaker 5: at this point in my career, I want to impart

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02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:47,520
Speaker 5: more information about my journeys. I want to impart more

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02:13:47,560 --> 02:13:50,880
Speaker 5: information about what I've learned and share this information with

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02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:54,040
Speaker 5: folks who are ready to receive it. I've seen Carl

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Speaker 5: particularly within this past year, I've had numerous interactions with

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Speaker 5: highly edgines CAD black folk, I mean PhDs, making hundreds

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02:14:05,560 --> 02:14:09,640
Speaker 5: of thousands of dollars a year, doing well by American standards.

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02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:12,960
Speaker 5: But I was dismayed by the fact that with all

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02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:16,000
Speaker 5: that money they had, with all that education, they knew

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02:14:16,080 --> 02:14:18,640
Speaker 5: nothing about who they are. They knew nothing about their

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02:14:18,720 --> 02:14:23,240
Speaker 5: real power. And once I sit down and have just

2313
02:14:23,440 --> 02:14:26,680
Speaker 5: a slight one on one conversation with them, I see

2314
02:14:27,320 --> 02:14:30,840
Speaker 5: them shift, all right. And we're at a point in

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02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:36,880
Speaker 5: time whereas America is is disintegrating right before our very eyes.

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02:14:37,320 --> 02:14:41,960
Speaker 5: And the people responsible for that disintegration are not black radicals.

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02:14:43,080 --> 02:14:46,040
Speaker 5: They are the white people who built this system to

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02:14:46,160 --> 02:14:50,360
Speaker 5: begin with. They're too greedy, they're too racists, and they're

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02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:54,320
Speaker 5: too much of a liar in order to understand that

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02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:57,640
Speaker 5: they could have done things much differently, and this country

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02:14:57,680 --> 02:15:00,120
Speaker 5: would have been better off, This world would have and

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02:15:00,200 --> 02:15:03,920
Speaker 5: better off. But they lack the capacity to do better.

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02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:07,280
Speaker 5: We've got to understand that, and so we can't continue

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02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:09,400
Speaker 5: to put our eggs in a basket that has a

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02:15:09,480 --> 02:15:12,440
Speaker 5: hold in it. We've got to do things differently. And

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02:15:12,600 --> 02:15:16,880
Speaker 5: doing things differently begins with us understanding who we are

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02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:21,200
Speaker 5: as people of African ancestry, learning to love the African

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02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:26,000
Speaker 5: inside of us, allow that love and that applification of

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02:15:26,080 --> 02:15:28,720
Speaker 5: that love to guide us forward, to give us the

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02:15:28,840 --> 02:15:32,240
Speaker 5: visions that we've always had, and to use the resources

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02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:36,080
Speaker 5: available to us, to use the technology that's available to

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02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:40,400
Speaker 5: us to make America right again, not write again. And

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02:15:40,520 --> 02:15:44,400
Speaker 5: so these are times that will test everybody's soul and

2334
02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:48,480
Speaker 5: folk won't have time to sit back, to sit on

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02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:52,440
Speaker 5: the fence and just complain. These are times for action.

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02:15:52,680 --> 02:15:55,480
Speaker 5: And if you're going to act, you need to be informed.

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02:15:55,800 --> 02:15:58,720
Speaker 5: And if you don't know who to listen to, then

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02:15:58,840 --> 02:15:59,440
Speaker 5: shame on you.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold up thought right there, Tony. We gotta

2340
02:16:03,480 --> 02:16:05,040
Speaker 1: take a short break, and we got some folks want

2341
02:16:05,080 --> 02:16:06,920
Speaker 1: to talk to you as well. Family, you two can

2342
02:16:06,960 --> 02:16:09,240
Speaker 1: get in on this conversation with Tony Browner. You can

2343
02:16:09,320 --> 02:16:12,200
Speaker 1: reach us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six, and we're taking calls next and Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for sticking with us on this Thursday

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Speaker 1: money with our guests that chematologist Tony Browner. Tony's I

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02:16:20,760 --> 02:16:22,640
Speaker 1: mentioned you got a bunch of folks got questions for you,

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Speaker 1: So we'll let me attain some of these calls. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to Houston first, and Kevin has called us. He's online.

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Speaker 1: Three Grand Rising, Kevin, you're on with Tony Browner.

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Speaker 14: Thank you so much for taking my call, and thank

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02:16:35,560 --> 02:16:39,720
Speaker 14: you so much, Brother Browner. I just got through reading

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02:16:40,440 --> 02:16:44,680
Speaker 14: doctor King's last book. Where do we go from here

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02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:50,840
Speaker 14: chaos or community, And I found it very very interesting

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02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:57,800
Speaker 14: and really kind of disappointing in some ways. He was

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02:16:58,080 --> 02:17:03,120
Speaker 14: really really pad of it about this integration thing, and

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Speaker 14: I think he really had a conflicting He was really

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02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:13,920
Speaker 14: at a crossroads in his life, and I think that

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02:17:14,040 --> 02:17:18,520
Speaker 14: he was really trying to convince himself that integration was valid,

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Speaker 14: but deep in his heart he knew that it wasn't.

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Speaker 14: And I'll say that because Harry Belafonte in his book

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Speaker 14: My Song, and I saw Harry Belafonte when he basically

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02:17:33,320 --> 02:17:39,520
Speaker 14: stated that King had this real bewildered look on his face,

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Speaker 14: and when he asked him what was wrong, he mentioned

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02:17:44,280 --> 02:17:48,240
Speaker 14: that he had felt like he had integrated his people

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02:17:48,280 --> 02:17:52,840
Speaker 14: into a burning house. So you know, I'll say that

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Speaker 14: as to my feeling about Doctor King. Now I will

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02:17:58,560 --> 02:18:04,080
Speaker 14: also hit on Dames Taylor, and he talked about I

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02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:06,200
Speaker 14: can't think of a guy's book but his.

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Speaker 13: Plural but equal brother Browner, Where do you feel that

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02:18:12,760 --> 02:18:15,320
Speaker 13: we should go from here? I think I know what

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02:18:15,480 --> 02:18:18,720
Speaker 13: you're going to say, but I think that this integration

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02:18:19,520 --> 02:18:26,280
Speaker 13: has bestelled us and the plural but equal situation I

2374
02:18:26,520 --> 02:18:30,480
Speaker 13: think would be more to our making and what is

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Speaker 13: it that we need to do to move in that direction?

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Honoledge Employe there sure. Thank you, Kevin. I

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02:18:40,520 --> 02:18:47,880
Speaker 5: appreciate your comments and your question. I know that the

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02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:50,800
Speaker 5: answers to many of the problems that we're confronting with

2379
02:18:51,480 --> 02:18:56,160
Speaker 5: lies in the past. That's what Sankofah implies. The best

2380
02:18:56,200 --> 02:19:00,240
Speaker 5: way to move forward is by studying the problems that

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02:19:00,480 --> 02:19:03,560
Speaker 5: your ancestors were confronted with in the past. There is

2382
02:19:03,800 --> 02:19:06,720
Speaker 5: nothing new in the world. There's nothing new in the

2383
02:19:06,760 --> 02:19:08,960
Speaker 5: world except the history. You don't know. That's why you

2384
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:11,880
Speaker 5: study the past. So by going back, and one of

2385
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:17,320
Speaker 5: the most extensive past of any people on this planet

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02:19:17,879 --> 02:19:20,960
Speaker 5: has been chronicle by Africans who lived in the Nile

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02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:26,400
Speaker 5: Valley and left records of over three thousand years of

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02:19:26,720 --> 02:19:30,720
Speaker 5: how to live, how to have relationships, how to live

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Speaker 5: in harmony with nature, how to live in harmony with

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02:19:33,360 --> 02:19:36,880
Speaker 5: other people. We have the information, we just don't know

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02:19:37,560 --> 02:19:41,440
Speaker 5: where to access it. And I think that if we

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02:19:41,600 --> 02:19:45,840
Speaker 5: were to begin to learn to love ourselves as African

2393
02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:49,200
Speaker 5: people and begin to look at the wisdom that our

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02:19:49,280 --> 02:19:53,520
Speaker 5: ancestors have left for us, we will find solutions to

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02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:56,600
Speaker 5: many of the problems that confront us. I always think

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Speaker 5: in terms think about my dear friend, doctor to Patricia Newton,

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02:20:01,000 --> 02:20:04,119
Speaker 5: who was a psychiatrist who worked closely with doctor Francis

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02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:09,080
Speaker 5: Chris Wilson, who worked also closely with doctor Van J. Nichols.

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Speaker 5: Doctor Newton said that we are trained, we have socialized

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Speaker 5: to avoid problems. The problems really are wonderful things because

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02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:22,680
Speaker 5: every problem has a solution. So what one has to

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02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:25,880
Speaker 5: do is to study the problem. How does this show

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02:20:25,959 --> 02:20:27,760
Speaker 5: up in your life? When did it show up in

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02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:30,360
Speaker 5: your life? Who brought the problems in your life? How

2405
02:20:30,400 --> 02:20:33,960
Speaker 5: did the problems impact you? And once you analyze all

2406
02:20:34,040 --> 02:20:37,440
Speaker 5: of that, don't run from it. Study it, unpack it,

2407
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:42,080
Speaker 5: analyze it, and once you see the problem from different perspectives,

2408
02:20:42,440 --> 02:20:45,879
Speaker 5: then you now will know how to solve the problem.

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02:20:45,959 --> 02:20:48,840
Speaker 5: The more importantly, you know how to avoid the problem

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02:20:49,080 --> 02:20:52,680
Speaker 5: when it comes again, because the problem will come again.

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02:20:53,560 --> 02:20:59,879
Speaker 5: As doctor Smith said, the tide always turns. The tide

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02:21:00,040 --> 02:21:02,040
Speaker 5: as we just go out, the tide goes out and

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02:21:02,120 --> 02:21:04,040
Speaker 5: comes back in, and goes out and comes back in.

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02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:08,359
Speaker 5: The tide always shifts. And once you understand the shifting

2415
02:21:08,480 --> 02:21:12,440
Speaker 5: of the tides and the circlical nature of the shifting,

2416
02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:16,000
Speaker 5: of the tides, then you can prepare yourself to deal

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02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:19,080
Speaker 5: with the tides when they come. If you understood, for example,

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02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:22,920
Speaker 5: yesterday was a full moon. We have the highest tides

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02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:25,840
Speaker 5: during the tire frame of the full moon. So once

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02:21:25,879 --> 02:21:28,800
Speaker 5: you understand that everything on Earth is impacted by things

2421
02:21:29,440 --> 02:21:31,680
Speaker 5: in the cosmos, the Sun, the moon, the stars, and

2422
02:21:31,800 --> 02:21:35,720
Speaker 5: the other planets. Once you understand that and understand how

2423
02:21:35,959 --> 02:21:39,520
Speaker 5: when the planetary objects are in a certain alignment, it

2424
02:21:39,680 --> 02:21:42,360
Speaker 5: has a certain effect here on planet Earth.

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Speaker 4: Once you know that.

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02:21:43,640 --> 02:21:48,359
Speaker 5: Information and have records of documented records or the impact

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02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:52,480
Speaker 5: of those planetary bodies going back thousands of years, you're

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02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:55,600
Speaker 5: now able to deal with the present and more importantly,

2429
02:21:55,720 --> 02:21:59,040
Speaker 5: to plan for the future. That's the beauty of knowing yourself.

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02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:01,760
Speaker 5: That's the beauty of studying Africa. That's the beauty of

2431
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:05,920
Speaker 5: studying Kimmot, because that's where the greatest records of human

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02:22:05,959 --> 02:22:09,000
Speaker 5: accomplishments have been accumulated. That's why white folks want to

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02:22:09,040 --> 02:22:11,840
Speaker 5: claim Egypt. That's why they took it out of Africa

2434
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:14,080
Speaker 5: and put it in the so called Middle East. That's

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02:22:14,120 --> 02:22:18,120
Speaker 5: why Arabs want to claim Kimmt as part of their legacy.

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02:22:18,200 --> 02:22:21,240
Speaker 5: When they had nothing at all to do with the

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02:22:21,320 --> 02:22:28,240
Speaker 5: foundational knowledge that was developed thousands of years before arab

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02:22:29,080 --> 02:22:32,840
Speaker 5: began or the birth of Muhammad. These are historical facts.

2439
02:22:32,920 --> 02:22:37,000
Speaker 5: I'm not saying these things to disparage anybody. I'm talking facts.

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Speaker 5: And so it's important that we be willing to do

2441
02:22:40,320 --> 02:22:43,160
Speaker 5: the work that we be willing to study. And more importantly,

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02:22:43,640 --> 02:22:47,240
Speaker 5: it's important that we applied what we have learned applies,

2443
02:22:47,320 --> 02:22:51,840
Speaker 5: which you know, it's applied knowledge that makes men better men,

2444
02:22:51,959 --> 02:22:55,960
Speaker 5: that makes women better women, that determines the trajectory of

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02:22:56,040 --> 02:22:59,200
Speaker 5: the nation. We haven't been applying knowledge we've been applying

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02:22:59,240 --> 02:23:03,279
Speaker 5: in this country. We've been to parbat hatred and steer

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02:23:03,800 --> 02:23:08,520
Speaker 5: and intimidation. And that's not working for anybody, black or white.

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02:23:08,879 --> 02:23:11,800
Speaker 5: So I guess we can go into the next calleee call.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a bunch of folks want to talk

2450
02:23:13,480 --> 02:23:15,800
Speaker 1: to you fro all across the country at Tony eight

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02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:17,240
Speaker 1: after the top of the hour, let's go to New

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02:23:17,320 --> 02:23:20,240
Speaker 1: York City. Brother Man two is online, two Grand Rising,

2453
02:23:20,280 --> 02:23:22,080
Speaker 1: Brother Man two, you're on with Tony Browner.

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Speaker 15: Yes, agreetings to all, Grand Rising, Hotel Abargani, free the

2455
02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:31,160
Speaker 15: land and free the African mind. Thank you for the

2456
02:23:31,360 --> 02:23:38,440
Speaker 15: opportunity to interact with Brother Tommy Brouder, Brother Broader, may

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02:23:38,480 --> 02:23:41,080
Speaker 15: all be well with you and your family. Could you

2458
02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:45,560
Speaker 15: explain what does it mean to be centered? And what

2459
02:23:46,320 --> 02:23:49,840
Speaker 15: could you unpack or relate to your previous comments on

2460
02:23:50,080 --> 02:23:54,000
Speaker 15: what it means to be African centered? And just to

2461
02:23:54,480 --> 02:23:58,840
Speaker 15: quick comment and I'll let you respond. I hear your

2462
02:23:58,879 --> 02:24:03,400
Speaker 15: response of we were in the fifties and the forties

2463
02:24:03,480 --> 02:24:07,600
Speaker 15: trying to solve problems related to black people. But if

2464
02:24:07,640 --> 02:24:10,360
Speaker 15: we were centered on who we were, would we look

2465
02:24:10,440 --> 02:24:15,600
Speaker 15: to India and find Mahamagdni Gandhi as a solution to

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02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:20,040
Speaker 15: our problems? Though we respect you know the sacrifice that

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02:24:20,240 --> 02:24:25,760
Speaker 15: previous generations have made in hindsight to be better. What

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02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:28,560
Speaker 15: is being centered? Where should we look to solve our

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02:24:28,680 --> 02:24:30,119
Speaker 15: problems as African people?

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Speaker 6: Thank you for some.

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Speaker 5: Lessons great, Thank you brother. That's a phenomenal question. And

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02:24:36,440 --> 02:24:39,960
Speaker 5: in answering that question, I would like to refer to

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02:24:40,120 --> 02:24:44,000
Speaker 5: something that the previous guests, doctor Paul Smith said. Doctor

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02:24:44,040 --> 02:24:49,800
Speaker 5: Smith talked about the music and how singing certain songs,

2475
02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:56,320
Speaker 5: and in his particular instance, singing Negro spirituals infuse those

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02:24:56,440 --> 02:25:00,120
Speaker 5: people who are about to march in the street, be

2477
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:04,080
Speaker 5: confronted with four legged dogs and two legged dogs. Sing

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02:25:04,280 --> 02:25:10,840
Speaker 5: those songs instilled a spirit, a force, a consciousness in them,

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02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:14,720
Speaker 5: which gave them the courage to go out and face

2480
02:25:15,080 --> 02:25:19,440
Speaker 5: those beasts. Now, during all of the Civil Rights movement,

2481
02:25:20,320 --> 02:25:25,959
Speaker 5: music was an integral part of every activity because music, sound,

2482
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:30,600
Speaker 5: vibration centers your consciousness. It connects you to source, It

2483
02:25:30,680 --> 02:25:32,920
Speaker 5: connects you to God, it connects you with the Creator,

2484
02:25:33,000 --> 02:25:35,280
Speaker 5: whatever term you want to use. It connects you to

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02:25:35,400 --> 02:25:42,360
Speaker 5: the power and amplifies whatever your consciousness is at that moment.

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02:25:42,959 --> 02:25:48,560
Speaker 5: So that's real. And when white folks understood that it

2487
02:25:48,760 --> 02:25:52,720
Speaker 5: was the music that gave us the consciousness and the

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02:25:53,160 --> 02:25:56,720
Speaker 5: courage to get out in the streets and allow people

2489
02:25:56,800 --> 02:25:59,600
Speaker 5: to beat us and spit on us and call us names,

2490
02:26:00,040 --> 02:26:03,000
Speaker 5: they said, oh no, we've got to change the music.

2491
02:26:03,120 --> 02:26:05,840
Speaker 5: Because if you remember, and I've been saying I was

2492
02:26:05,920 --> 02:26:08,360
Speaker 5: going to write something on this for years, and I

2493
02:26:08,440 --> 02:26:12,160
Speaker 5: really have to do it. During the sixties, during the

2494
02:26:12,160 --> 02:26:14,440
Speaker 5: Civil Rights movement, and I'm a child of the Civil

2495
02:26:14,520 --> 02:26:17,080
Speaker 5: Rights movement, so all of this is a part of

2496
02:26:17,160 --> 02:26:23,440
Speaker 5: my consciousness. Curtis Mayfield took a gospel song Amen and

2497
02:26:23,520 --> 02:26:26,120
Speaker 5: made it a forty five hit, he sang Amen, and

2498
02:26:26,240 --> 02:26:30,360
Speaker 5: then he took other gospel songs and made them into

2499
02:26:30,480 --> 02:26:35,279
Speaker 5: contemporary music, which sold millions of records, and as a result,

2500
02:26:35,879 --> 02:26:40,800
Speaker 5: other R and B artists started doing the same thing.

2501
02:26:40,879 --> 02:26:44,560
Speaker 5: So when Curtis said keep on pushing, then the Shylights

2502
02:26:44,959 --> 02:26:46,480
Speaker 5: came back and said, you got to give more power

2503
02:26:46,520 --> 02:26:49,400
Speaker 5: to the people. Then Temptations came out with a message

2504
02:26:49,440 --> 02:26:51,720
Speaker 5: to the black man. James Brown came out and said,

2505
02:26:51,760 --> 02:26:53,240
Speaker 5: say it loud, I'm black and a cloud. How are

2506
02:26:53,240 --> 02:26:55,640
Speaker 5: you gonna get respect if you ain't cut your process yet.

2507
02:26:55,920 --> 02:26:59,080
Speaker 5: So the music of the late fifties shifted because the

2508
02:26:59,160 --> 02:27:01,680
Speaker 5: consciousness of that b people shifted and as a result

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02:27:01,760 --> 02:27:05,840
Speaker 5: of us seeing the music which gave us more backbone,

2510
02:27:06,160 --> 02:27:09,640
Speaker 5: which connected us to spirit, white folks said we can't

2511
02:27:09,800 --> 02:27:15,279
Speaker 5: fight that, and so they made a decision to shift

2512
02:27:15,879 --> 02:27:19,640
Speaker 5: the music. And so in the seventies, the Eisly Brothers

2513
02:27:19,720 --> 02:27:22,400
Speaker 5: came out with it's your thing, do what you want

2514
02:27:22,440 --> 02:27:25,000
Speaker 5: to do. I can't tell you who to sock it too.

2515
02:27:25,480 --> 02:27:30,199
Speaker 5: The music shifted from people uniting, people being together, people

2516
02:27:30,280 --> 02:27:34,240
Speaker 5: having their black consciousness, to individuality. And as the music shifted,

2517
02:27:34,560 --> 02:27:37,959
Speaker 5: the tone shifted and Carl, A number of your guests

2518
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:40,320
Speaker 5: can speak about this much more eloquently than I could.

2519
02:27:40,680 --> 02:27:43,480
Speaker 5: But the vibrations shifted in the music. And then we

2520
02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:47,200
Speaker 5: had rap music, which gave us like rap music, and

2521
02:27:47,320 --> 02:27:51,199
Speaker 5: disco music, which gave us one hundred and twenty beats

2522
02:27:51,440 --> 02:27:54,840
Speaker 5: per minute as opposed to the fifty to seventy beats

2523
02:27:54,879 --> 02:27:58,520
Speaker 5: per minuted, which is a beat that moves in sync

2524
02:27:58,680 --> 02:28:01,960
Speaker 5: with your heartbeat, avownede you. So as a result of

2525
02:28:02,040 --> 02:28:05,800
Speaker 5: this other form of music, we became uncentered. And then

2526
02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:08,760
Speaker 5: came the rap music. First it was conscious rap music,

2527
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:12,160
Speaker 5: then it became gangster rap music. And remember see the

2528
02:28:12,200 --> 02:28:14,600
Speaker 5: Lords Tucker, and never forget that name. See the Lords.

2529
02:28:14,640 --> 02:28:19,720
Speaker 5: Tucker was the only person who spoke out against rap music.

2530
02:28:20,040 --> 02:28:24,400
Speaker 5: And there were numerous ministers, black ministers who shut her down.

2531
02:28:24,760 --> 02:28:27,320
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna mention any names, but if you remember

2532
02:28:27,600 --> 02:28:31,720
Speaker 5: her story, you remember how black men moved against their

2533
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:34,720
Speaker 5: sister shut it down. Why because there was money in

2534
02:28:35,959 --> 02:28:39,039
Speaker 5: keeping black people thinking at a certain level. So it's

2535
02:28:39,080 --> 02:28:42,360
Speaker 5: all about being centered. It's all about knowing what center is.

2536
02:28:42,879 --> 02:28:48,280
Speaker 5: And once you develop an awareness of the value of centeredness,

2537
02:28:48,400 --> 02:28:52,160
Speaker 5: what you will see is that the only center that

2538
02:28:52,360 --> 02:28:55,440
Speaker 5: matters is an African center. Why do I say that,

2539
02:28:55,920 --> 02:29:01,800
Speaker 5: because it's been documented that people of African ancestry have

2540
02:29:02,040 --> 02:29:07,080
Speaker 5: lived on this planet for over three hundred thousand years.

2541
02:29:07,160 --> 02:29:10,600
Speaker 5: That's a proven fact. People of Aascan ancestry have the

2542
02:29:10,680 --> 02:29:13,640
Speaker 5: greatest record, the longest record, the most complete records of

2543
02:29:13,720 --> 02:29:16,920
Speaker 5: what it means to be human. The people who have

2544
02:29:17,000 --> 02:29:21,039
Speaker 5: been directing our lives and steering us down the path

2545
02:29:21,160 --> 02:29:25,760
Speaker 5: to hell has only been on this planet anywhere from

2546
02:29:26,440 --> 02:29:30,880
Speaker 5: eight to twelve thousand years. I'm talking specifically about Caucasian,

2547
02:29:30,959 --> 02:29:34,920
Speaker 5: so called white people. The genetic evidence has been presented

2548
02:29:35,240 --> 02:29:39,680
Speaker 5: which said where geneticists said that the Africans who lived

2549
02:29:39,959 --> 02:29:45,480
Speaker 5: in Europe before white people mutated, lost their melanin, shifted

2550
02:29:45,560 --> 02:29:50,960
Speaker 5: their consciousness and became Caucasians between twelve and eight thousand

2551
02:29:51,040 --> 02:29:55,039
Speaker 5: years ago. And what that means simply is that people

2552
02:29:55,080 --> 02:30:00,480
Speaker 5: of African ancestry have a two hundred in eighty eight

2553
02:30:00,520 --> 02:30:03,360
Speaker 5: thousand year head start on the people who taught us

2554
02:30:03,600 --> 02:30:05,800
Speaker 5: to pray to their gods, the people who taught us

2555
02:30:05,840 --> 02:30:07,760
Speaker 5: what it means to be humans, the people who taught

2556
02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:10,720
Speaker 5: us about science and philosophy and all the things that

2557
02:30:10,879 --> 02:30:15,520
Speaker 5: make of people civilize. We need to center ourselves and

2558
02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:19,800
Speaker 5: that's what we can knowledge first, and then we study

2559
02:30:19,879 --> 02:30:22,520
Speaker 5: everybody else and how we interact with everyone else. But

2560
02:30:22,680 --> 02:30:26,000
Speaker 5: it's centering ourselves that will ground you, that will empower you,

2561
02:30:26,160 --> 02:30:30,480
Speaker 5: because that's where the soul is. And that's why everybody

2562
02:30:30,600 --> 02:30:35,039
Speaker 5: wants to be black. But everybody don't want to be black,

2563
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:37,880
Speaker 5: if you get my meaning. They want our music, they

2564
02:30:37,959 --> 02:30:40,640
Speaker 5: want they love our sports, they love the way we move,

2565
02:30:40,720 --> 02:30:43,200
Speaker 5: they love the way we talk. They just don't love us.

2566
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:46,720
Speaker 5: So what we've got to do is learn to love

2567
02:30:46,800 --> 02:30:51,120
Speaker 5: ourselves instead of striving to imitate the people who hate us.

2568
02:30:51,640 --> 02:30:54,600
Speaker 5: You know, we've been socialized. I was at Howard's homecoming

2569
02:30:54,640 --> 02:30:58,520
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago, and I was this made

2570
02:30:59,720 --> 02:31:06,280
Speaker 5: to see the number of sisters, specifically with weeds down

2571
02:31:06,360 --> 02:31:09,320
Speaker 5: to the middle of their back, with the fake nails

2572
02:31:09,400 --> 02:31:13,680
Speaker 5: and the fake eyelashes. It was everywhere. It was everywhere,

2573
02:31:14,080 --> 02:31:18,600
Speaker 5: and the energy on Howard's yard was not an energy

2574
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:23,360
Speaker 5: that I felt comfortable being around. And I reflected on

2575
02:31:23,920 --> 02:31:28,680
Speaker 5: the energy on Howard's yard in the nineteen seventies. I

2576
02:31:28,800 --> 02:31:32,119
Speaker 5: was at Howard from seventy one to seventy four during

2577
02:31:32,280 --> 02:31:36,959
Speaker 5: the post civil rights era, during the post black consciousness movements,

2578
02:31:37,240 --> 02:31:42,440
Speaker 5: and of the sisters on Howard's Yard in the early

2579
02:31:42,520 --> 02:31:46,080
Speaker 5: seventies had afros. And I said in my first book,

2580
02:31:46,120 --> 02:31:48,920
Speaker 5: from the BROWDI File, there's an essay called the Politics

2581
02:31:48,959 --> 02:31:51,680
Speaker 5: of Hair, and I stated in that essay, you can

2582
02:31:51,840 --> 02:31:56,400
Speaker 5: always tell the consciousness of Black people by how our

2583
02:31:56,520 --> 02:31:59,920
Speaker 5: women wear their hair, because the more we wear our

2584
02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:02,119
Speaker 5: hair like our pressure. And I don't mean to step

2585
02:32:02,160 --> 02:32:07,120
Speaker 5: on anybody's toes. I'm just giving you my interpretation of

2586
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:12,320
Speaker 5: an analysis of history. When we wore our hair, naturally,

2587
02:32:12,959 --> 02:32:17,440
Speaker 5: we were centered, we were plugged into the creator. We

2588
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:21,120
Speaker 5: had a consciousness that our enemies feared, and so they

2589
02:32:21,200 --> 02:32:23,640
Speaker 5: had to undo that. So if we go back to

2590
02:32:25,000 --> 02:32:27,840
Speaker 5: if you go back to the sixties, when we wore

2591
02:32:27,920 --> 02:32:31,760
Speaker 5: afros and we had a different consciousness, that consciousness had

2592
02:32:31,800 --> 02:32:34,640
Speaker 5: to shift. And what happened what shifted that consciousness. It

2593
02:32:34,760 --> 02:32:38,119
Speaker 5: was when the movie came out called Superfly. Ryan O'Neill

2594
02:32:38,200 --> 02:32:40,800
Speaker 5: was Superflying, And how did Ryan O'Neill head his hair?

2595
02:32:41,000 --> 02:32:43,160
Speaker 5: It was straight. So I saw brothers on the West

2596
02:32:43,160 --> 02:32:45,840
Speaker 5: Side of Chicago who were talking powers to the people.

2597
02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:50,200
Speaker 5: Black panther, Black panther, consciousness had big old afros, but

2598
02:32:50,400 --> 02:32:54,720
Speaker 5: Superfly came out. They got pems walking around looking like

2599
02:32:55,000 --> 02:32:57,959
Speaker 5: dare I say at our shocked and yes, walking around

2600
02:32:58,000 --> 02:33:01,600
Speaker 5: with perms and the consciousness shift, and then drugs began

2601
02:33:01,720 --> 02:33:07,320
Speaker 5: to flood into the community, and everything that Fred Hampton

2602
02:33:07,400 --> 02:33:11,400
Speaker 5: and Mark Tart, everything that Malcolm X, everything that Magar evers,

2603
02:33:11,640 --> 02:33:14,680
Speaker 5: everything that goes to parks, everything the family new Hamer

2604
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:20,039
Speaker 5: fought for went out the window because we lost our minds,

2605
02:33:20,520 --> 02:33:25,520
Speaker 5: we lost our center. So right everyone, oh.

2606
02:33:25,520 --> 02:33:26,960
Speaker 1: That thought right there, bron Ton, I got a step

2607
02:33:27,000 --> 02:33:28,640
Speaker 1: aside for a few moments, and we still got a

2608
02:33:28,640 --> 02:33:29,959
Speaker 1: bunch of folks want to talk to you. But let

2609
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:33,160
Speaker 1: me just add this. This report came out yesterday. There

2610
02:33:33,200 --> 02:33:35,760
Speaker 1: are no hip hop songs in the US Top forty

2611
02:33:35,800 --> 02:33:38,800
Speaker 1: for the first time since nineteen ninety. So maybe something

2612
02:33:38,879 --> 02:33:41,400
Speaker 1: of the music industry is a change coming on the board.

2613
02:33:41,480 --> 02:33:43,480
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that as well later when we

2614
02:33:43,600 --> 02:33:46,600
Speaker 1: speak with some of our other music folks.

2615
02:33:46,840 --> 02:33:47,200
Speaker 9: I sa MN.

2616
02:33:47,240 --> 02:33:48,600
Speaker 1: Sure we got to step aside for a few months,

2617
02:33:48,640 --> 02:33:49,920
Speaker 1: but we got some more folks want to talk to.

2618
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:51,600
Speaker 1: Tony Browner, you could do the same reach out to

2619
02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:54,160
Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four or five zero, seventy eight,

2620
02:33:54,520 --> 02:33:56,680
Speaker 1: seventy six and the take all your phone calls next

2621
02:33:57,440 --> 02:33:59,880
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us on

2622
02:34:00,080 --> 02:34:03,440
Speaker 1: this Thursday morning here with our guess, the chemotologist, Tony Browner. Tony,

2623
02:34:03,440 --> 02:34:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you finish your thought. Then Ernest and

2624
02:34:05,240 --> 02:34:06,680
Speaker 1: Baltimore has a question for you.

2625
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:09,480
Speaker 5: Okay, I believe I finished a talk.

2626
02:34:09,600 --> 02:34:09,800
Speaker 3: Carl.

2627
02:34:09,879 --> 02:34:11,160
Speaker 5: We can go onto the next caller.

2628
02:34:11,720 --> 02:34:14,279
Speaker 1: Okayest Grand Rising, you're on with Tony Browner.

2629
02:34:16,680 --> 02:34:18,960
Speaker 16: Good morning, I mean Grand Rising.

2630
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:22,160
Speaker 5: Hello, Yes, yes, sure we're here.

2631
02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:24,920
Speaker 16: Oh, okay, I can hear the bank. So I wanted

2632
02:34:24,959 --> 02:34:29,640
Speaker 16: to know if you were saying that Christianity was bad

2633
02:34:29,720 --> 02:34:32,240
Speaker 16: for black people. I mean you didn't just kind of

2634
02:34:32,360 --> 02:34:34,240
Speaker 16: when you I got on about a thirty when you

2635
02:34:34,280 --> 02:34:37,400
Speaker 16: were talking about different religions, you give mentioned Jewism and

2636
02:34:37,680 --> 02:34:40,760
Speaker 16: I think Muslim and stuff like that, but it seemed

2637
02:34:40,800 --> 02:34:44,000
Speaker 16: like you were staying that Christianity kind of like messed

2638
02:34:44,040 --> 02:34:46,320
Speaker 16: up out thinking that you said you would learn a

2639
02:34:46,400 --> 02:34:48,720
Speaker 16: new thing. And the other thing I wanted to say

2640
02:34:48,920 --> 02:34:51,960
Speaker 16: was that Sondra was right because I always thought that

2641
02:34:53,000 --> 02:34:57,720
Speaker 16: Martin Luther King talked about Gandhi and now you know,

2642
02:34:57,840 --> 02:35:00,120
Speaker 16: turn off a teat type stuff, and I thought he

2643
02:35:00,280 --> 02:35:01,920
Speaker 16: just got that from him, But she was right when

2644
02:35:01,959 --> 02:35:03,879
Speaker 16: I googled it after she said that, because I always

2645
02:35:03,920 --> 02:35:07,320
Speaker 16: thought Gonzi loved everybody. But if you google, it does

2646
02:35:07,400 --> 02:35:09,840
Speaker 16: say that he talked about black people and he had

2647
02:35:09,879 --> 02:35:14,120
Speaker 16: a name for him that wasn't good. And they they

2648
02:35:14,360 --> 02:35:17,840
Speaker 16: try to say that later on, He's like, it wasn't

2649
02:35:17,840 --> 02:35:20,200
Speaker 16: accepting the black people, but he in the beginning he

2650
02:35:20,240 --> 02:35:23,320
Speaker 16: didn't like black people, and that was surprising to me,

2651
02:35:23,760 --> 02:35:27,760
Speaker 16: and that was good information about the Howard Thurman and

2652
02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:32,000
Speaker 16: the other thing. You know, your other guests called doctor

2653
02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:36,200
Speaker 16: Fox with his book Addicted to White. I asked him,

2654
02:35:36,360 --> 02:35:38,640
Speaker 16: was the point blank of christian Like? But I think

2655
02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:41,840
Speaker 16: I don't think he said he was. But my point

2656
02:35:42,040 --> 02:35:45,200
Speaker 16: was in his book he referenced the things from the

2657
02:35:45,280 --> 02:35:49,720
Speaker 16: Bible throughout the book. So it's like all we know

2658
02:35:49,959 --> 02:35:53,320
Speaker 16: was Christianity, all I knew from growing up in America.

2659
02:35:53,920 --> 02:35:57,520
Speaker 16: And the other part is like, you want us to

2660
02:35:59,000 --> 02:36:04,280
Speaker 16: be separate, not you, but be separate from white people

2661
02:36:04,320 --> 02:36:06,880
Speaker 16: because sometimes people think we were better off when we

2662
02:36:06,959 --> 02:36:11,760
Speaker 16: were segregated, But all I know is integration. I'm seventy, but.

2663
02:36:11,879 --> 02:36:15,720
Speaker 4: All my life, all I know is you know, North Avenue,

2664
02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:19,160
Speaker 4: Baltimore fighting white people not liking us.

2665
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:21,000
Speaker 16: But this is all I know. So I don't know

2666
02:36:21,120 --> 02:36:24,880
Speaker 16: about being better separate from white people because in America,

2667
02:36:24,959 --> 02:36:25,520
Speaker 16: that's all I know.

2668
02:36:27,320 --> 02:36:31,600
Speaker 5: All right, Okay, thank you, brother. I appreciate your call

2669
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:35,840
Speaker 5: and the comments, Earnest. So let me just unpacked a

2670
02:36:35,879 --> 02:36:39,000
Speaker 5: couple of things that you said. I was speaking about

2671
02:36:39,160 --> 02:36:45,280
Speaker 5: Christianity and saying the Christianity, like every religion, is a tool.

2672
02:36:46,240 --> 02:36:49,560
Speaker 5: And just as you said, the system made some comments

2673
02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:52,240
Speaker 5: that you were unaware of regarding Gandhi. You went and

2674
02:36:52,360 --> 02:36:55,080
Speaker 5: googled it. As a result of you accessing that information,

2675
02:36:55,440 --> 02:36:56,800
Speaker 5: you now know what you didn't know.

2676
02:36:57,160 --> 02:36:57,320
Speaker 4: Right.

2677
02:36:57,600 --> 02:37:00,560
Speaker 5: So the issue that I want you to become aware

2678
02:37:00,600 --> 02:37:03,520
Speaker 5: of is what is it about Christianity that you don't

2679
02:37:03,640 --> 02:37:08,000
Speaker 5: know and how will becoming aware of that information change

2680
02:37:08,080 --> 02:37:11,280
Speaker 5: your understanding and your interpretation of Christianity?

2681
02:37:11,680 --> 02:37:11,840
Speaker 4: Right?

2682
02:37:12,200 --> 02:37:16,280
Speaker 5: Just think in terms of this, the people who taught

2683
02:37:16,360 --> 02:37:20,080
Speaker 5: black people to be Christians were Christians themselves. They were

2684
02:37:20,200 --> 02:37:23,520
Speaker 5: the people. They were the Christians who enslaved them. What

2685
02:37:23,640 --> 02:37:25,960
Speaker 5: I want you to do, I want you brother to

2686
02:37:27,360 --> 02:37:29,959
Speaker 5: since she's familiar with Google, I want you to google

2687
02:37:30,120 --> 02:37:34,720
Speaker 5: Reverend C. C. Jones and his book The Religious Instructions

2688
02:37:35,320 --> 02:37:38,480
Speaker 5: for the Negro. I want you to google him. I

2689
02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:41,320
Speaker 5: want you to read C. C. Jones and then maybe

2690
02:37:41,400 --> 02:37:43,840
Speaker 5: on a Friday you can call in the Calls Show

2691
02:37:44,480 --> 02:37:47,000
Speaker 5: and share with call and the listeners what you learned

2692
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:50,440
Speaker 5: about Christianity and black folk. Can you do that for me?

2693
02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? He hung up.

2694
02:37:53,520 --> 02:37:55,119
Speaker 5: Okay, I trust he will.

2695
02:37:55,760 --> 02:37:56,720
Speaker 3: I trust he will do that.

2696
02:37:56,840 --> 02:37:58,520
Speaker 5: I don't want to tell him what to think, but

2697
02:37:58,640 --> 02:38:02,000
Speaker 5: I do want to tell him today and there are

2698
02:38:02,040 --> 02:38:06,360
Speaker 5: certain things that they can enhance your thinking.

2699
02:38:07,920 --> 02:38:10,119
Speaker 1: And thank you for sharing that information with us. Tony

2700
02:38:10,200 --> 02:38:12,480
Speaker 1: and Ernest calls back. After you've read that book, I'll

2701
02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:14,840
Speaker 1: just check it out online and let us know what

2702
02:38:15,000 --> 02:38:17,760
Speaker 1: you think. Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

2703
02:38:17,800 --> 02:38:20,800
Speaker 1: eight seventy six, twenty five minutes after the top stands

2704
02:38:20,840 --> 02:38:23,800
Speaker 1: in Chicago, he's online. Three grand rising stand you're on

2705
02:38:23,879 --> 02:38:30,240
Speaker 1: with Tony Browner stand there online?

2706
02:38:30,240 --> 02:38:35,080
Speaker 17: Three reading greetings, Yeah, borrow geting Tony. Much respect for

2707
02:38:35,120 --> 02:38:37,360
Speaker 17: everything that you've been working on, and thank you for

2708
02:38:38,000 --> 02:38:40,440
Speaker 17: being a child of Chicago. I'm going to chogh Chicago

2709
02:38:40,560 --> 02:38:43,200
Speaker 17: up as well. But one of the things that you

2710
02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:46,840
Speaker 17: said was centering ourselves. And one of the questions that

2711
02:38:46,920 --> 02:38:49,120
Speaker 17: I had for Kevin when I called in, is it

2712
02:38:49,160 --> 02:38:51,400
Speaker 17: would it make sense for us organized by the nine

2713
02:38:51,400 --> 02:38:56,760
Speaker 17: areas of people activity that you know, our our ancestor,

2714
02:38:57,840 --> 02:39:01,720
Speaker 17: you know, needing full of every fool. Yeah, absolutely, maybe

2715
02:39:01,760 --> 02:39:06,279
Speaker 17: add you more technology and health, you know, start boycotting

2716
02:39:06,320 --> 02:39:08,959
Speaker 17: all these holidays, you know, getting back to the basics,

2717
02:39:09,080 --> 02:39:11,600
Speaker 17: listening to some of that old school music, getting back

2718
02:39:11,640 --> 02:39:14,879
Speaker 17: into that vibration, you know. But really, you know, starting

2719
02:39:14,920 --> 02:39:17,600
Speaker 17: with poring into what we know, because if it's headed

2720
02:39:17,600 --> 02:39:20,280
Speaker 17: where it's going, we're going to need those skills. Right,

2721
02:39:20,560 --> 02:39:22,160
Speaker 17: So I was just trying to figure out how we

2722
02:39:22,280 --> 02:39:24,680
Speaker 17: organize ourselves and then how do you expand that to

2723
02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:25,640
Speaker 17: organize our people.

2724
02:39:26,680 --> 02:39:30,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know you answered your own question. Yes

2725
02:39:31,560 --> 02:39:35,520
Speaker 5: you should read Nearly Fuller. Yes you should read Doctor Press,

2726
02:39:35,640 --> 02:39:39,920
Speaker 5: Chris Wilson, Yes you should read claud Anderson. Yes you

2727
02:39:39,959 --> 02:39:42,840
Speaker 5: should read John Henry Clark. Yes you should read John Jackson.

2728
02:39:42,920 --> 02:39:45,000
Speaker 5: Yes you should read Bead Curtainmoy. Yes you should read

2729
02:39:45,240 --> 02:39:48,840
Speaker 5: a se Healer. And after you read this material, then

2730
02:39:48,959 --> 02:39:53,720
Speaker 5: begin to formulate a plan of action based on new knowledge.

2731
02:39:54,200 --> 02:39:56,400
Speaker 5: So you know, I'm sharing with you the same thing

2732
02:39:56,440 --> 02:39:59,039
Speaker 5: I shared with Stan. We're in the situation that we're

2733
02:39:59,080 --> 02:40:03,959
Speaker 5: in because we lack the knowledge to make informed decisions.

2734
02:40:04,080 --> 02:40:06,320
Speaker 5: Why do we like the knowledge? Because it's in the

2735
02:40:06,440 --> 02:40:11,200
Speaker 5: interest of our oppressor to keep certain information away from

2736
02:40:11,360 --> 02:40:14,600
Speaker 5: us so that we can continue to be oppressed. So,

2737
02:40:14,959 --> 02:40:18,920
Speaker 5: as my good friend and jagna Asa Hilliott said, mental

2738
02:40:18,959 --> 02:40:22,160
Speaker 5: slavery is worse than physical slavery because the mental slave

2739
02:40:22,240 --> 02:40:24,760
Speaker 5: believes that he or she is free and they never

2740
02:40:24,879 --> 02:40:27,520
Speaker 5: realize that the chains are on their minds. So what

2741
02:40:27,640 --> 02:40:31,320
Speaker 5: you were saying about us boycotting certain holidays and using

2742
02:40:31,360 --> 02:40:34,160
Speaker 5: our money, a person who is mentally free knows to

2743
02:40:34,360 --> 02:40:37,680
Speaker 5: do that. A mental slave has to be told to

2744
02:40:37,800 --> 02:40:40,040
Speaker 5: do that, or you have to argue and debate with

2745
02:40:40,160 --> 02:40:44,120
Speaker 5: that person. So the majority of our people are mentally

2746
02:40:44,320 --> 02:40:48,280
Speaker 5: enslaved and they don't know it. So the most difficult

2747
02:40:48,360 --> 02:40:50,879
Speaker 5: and think in terms of what sister Harriet Tubman says,

2748
02:40:51,840 --> 02:40:54,640
Speaker 5: who lived on the eastern shore of Maryland. She said

2749
02:40:54,680 --> 02:41:00,440
Speaker 5: that she freed thousands of slaves because we're free hundreds

2750
02:41:00,440 --> 02:41:03,000
Speaker 5: of slaves. We could have pred hundreds more if only

2751
02:41:03,240 --> 02:41:07,000
Speaker 5: they knew that they were slaves unpacked. Only let that

2752
02:41:07,120 --> 02:41:09,600
Speaker 5: thought resonate in your mind for a minute, during the

2753
02:41:09,680 --> 02:41:18,560
Speaker 5: time of man's worst oppression ever imaginable. You know, over conservatively, conservatively,

2754
02:41:19,080 --> 02:41:23,080
Speaker 5: over fifty million African men, women, and children lost their

2755
02:41:23,160 --> 02:41:27,400
Speaker 5: lives with the Arab slave trade, which lasted longer than

2756
02:41:27,480 --> 02:41:30,480
Speaker 5: the European slave trade and set the foundation for Europeans

2757
02:41:30,520 --> 02:41:32,640
Speaker 5: to come in and do what they did. Over fifty

2758
02:41:32,640 --> 02:41:35,560
Speaker 5: million African men, women and children lost their lives at

2759
02:41:35,640 --> 02:41:40,360
Speaker 5: the hands of Arab Muslims and European Christians.

2760
02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:41,840
Speaker 4: That's the fact.

2761
02:41:42,840 --> 02:41:44,520
Speaker 5: And then one of the things that they did once

2762
02:41:44,560 --> 02:41:49,200
Speaker 5: they conquered us, once they enslaved us, is to give

2763
02:41:49,320 --> 02:41:53,000
Speaker 5: us their God concept so that we would be aligned

2764
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:56,959
Speaker 5: mentally and spiritually and dependent on them for our salvation.

2765
02:41:57,879 --> 02:42:01,840
Speaker 5: We don't realize because they have and taught us. We

2766
02:42:01,959 --> 02:42:10,280
Speaker 5: don't realize that the essence of the Abrahamic tradition, Islam, Christianity,

2767
02:42:10,680 --> 02:42:15,560
Speaker 5: and Judaism comes out of the now valley and anyone

2768
02:42:15,600 --> 02:42:20,000
Speaker 5: who has steady now valley civilizations would know that. But

2769
02:42:21,320 --> 02:42:25,720
Speaker 5: white folk had to take Egypt out of Africa and

2770
02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:28,280
Speaker 5: put it in the Middle East to separate us from

2771
02:42:28,320 --> 02:42:31,279
Speaker 5: the foundational truth that will center us on the things

2772
02:42:31,360 --> 02:42:33,440
Speaker 5: that will give us the freedom that we already have.

2773
02:42:34,360 --> 02:42:37,800
Speaker 5: So I would encourage you, my brother stands to keep reading.

2774
02:42:38,959 --> 02:42:42,160
Speaker 5: And you're in Chicago, to be careful. You've got the

2775
02:42:42,280 --> 02:42:47,199
Speaker 5: Nazi stormtroopers roaming around the city. And what this current

2776
02:42:47,320 --> 02:42:50,920
Speaker 5: occupant in the house that Ascan people built wants to

2777
02:42:51,000 --> 02:42:56,240
Speaker 5: do is to provoke either Blacks in Chicago or the

2778
02:42:56,320 --> 02:43:01,080
Speaker 5: Mexicans in Chicago to react violently, lead to the violence

2779
02:43:01,160 --> 02:43:04,240
Speaker 5: that's being projected onto you, so that they can drop

2780
02:43:04,320 --> 02:43:08,160
Speaker 5: the hammer on everybody. So I encourage our brothers and

2781
02:43:08,280 --> 02:43:13,800
Speaker 5: sisters in Chicago to be smart and be strategic. Thank

2782
02:43:13,800 --> 02:43:14,320
Speaker 5: you for your.

2783
02:43:16,720 --> 02:43:19,360
Speaker 1: Brother, Tony. And I'm glad you mentioned arguing because that's

2784
02:43:19,400 --> 02:43:23,000
Speaker 1: one of the counter racist technologies techniques. So Dr Welson

2785
02:43:23,080 --> 02:43:25,520
Speaker 1: talks about that we should not do as black people,

2786
02:43:26,040 --> 02:43:28,120
Speaker 1: since when we start doing that arguing with each other,

2787
02:43:28,240 --> 02:43:30,920
Speaker 1: we play right into the white supremacy. This is what

2788
02:43:31,000 --> 02:43:33,800
Speaker 1: the white supremacists want us to be going at each

2789
02:43:33,800 --> 02:43:35,959
Speaker 1: other and they sit back and you know they probably

2790
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:39,440
Speaker 1: started the argument and sit back and laugh. So I

2791
02:43:39,560 --> 02:43:42,240
Speaker 1: just think glad that you post that you mentioned that

2792
02:43:42,400 --> 02:43:43,000
Speaker 1: for their family.

2793
02:43:43,640 --> 02:43:46,160
Speaker 5: And let me say to that point, Carl, we need

2794
02:43:46,280 --> 02:43:49,240
Speaker 5: to have sometimes, we need to have heated discussions, but

2795
02:43:49,320 --> 02:43:52,920
Speaker 5: those discussions should be behind closed doors and not in public.

2796
02:43:53,360 --> 02:43:56,640
Speaker 5: And we should always be civil. It should always be

2797
02:43:56,720 --> 02:43:59,240
Speaker 5: to be what did Jesseice Jackson say, we could be.

2798
02:44:00,160 --> 02:44:05,600
Speaker 5: We can disagree without becoming disagreeable. So there's certain certain

2799
02:44:06,600 --> 02:44:10,320
Speaker 5: protocols of civility that we need to be back and

2800
02:44:10,600 --> 02:44:13,600
Speaker 5: bringing back into our consciousness that we need to center

2801
02:44:13,720 --> 02:44:17,320
Speaker 5: ourselves around. We need to be civil with each other

2802
02:44:18,280 --> 02:44:24,320
Speaker 5: and respect each other because you know, I am in

2803
02:44:24,440 --> 02:44:26,960
Speaker 5: you and you are in me. And when you learn

2804
02:44:27,160 --> 02:44:30,959
Speaker 5: to see the essence of the Creator in somebody else,

2805
02:44:31,560 --> 02:44:34,480
Speaker 5: it allows you to love that person as you would

2806
02:44:34,520 --> 02:44:38,720
Speaker 5: love yourself. These are principles and values that are African centered,

2807
02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:43,840
Speaker 5: that are older than any religion of any foreigner, and

2808
02:44:43,959 --> 02:44:48,440
Speaker 5: they were the means by which we governed ourselves for

2809
02:44:48,760 --> 02:44:53,720
Speaker 5: over three thousand years. Those principles, those concepts, and ideas

2810
02:44:53,959 --> 02:44:57,840
Speaker 5: still exist. You have to seek them out. They're there

2811
02:44:58,000 --> 02:45:01,359
Speaker 5: and they will enhance your quality his life. I guarantee

2812
02:45:01,360 --> 02:45:02,640
Speaker 5: it all right.

2813
02:45:02,800 --> 02:45:05,640
Speaker 1: Twenty eight away from the topic, Jr's online too, if

2814
02:45:06,080 --> 02:45:08,959
Speaker 1: she's in Ohio, has a question for you. Grand Rising

2815
02:45:09,080 --> 02:45:10,440
Speaker 1: Jay are with Tony Browner.

2816
02:45:11,440 --> 02:45:14,960
Speaker 18: Greetings, Greetings elders, I'm trying to be quick with this

2817
02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:16,720
Speaker 18: because I know lots of people want to speak to

2818
02:45:16,800 --> 02:45:20,360
Speaker 18: the elder. First, elder, I would like to thank you

2819
02:45:20,600 --> 02:45:24,959
Speaker 18: for being very careful with your words, but to correct

2820
02:45:25,640 --> 02:45:28,960
Speaker 18: someone earlier who sounds like they're an elder, and they

2821
02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:32,920
Speaker 18: often do that, calling black folks names and using lowbrow

2822
02:45:33,440 --> 02:45:35,800
Speaker 18: terminology such as stupid. So I love the way you

2823
02:45:35,920 --> 02:45:39,760
Speaker 18: did that because that you know it is definitely true.

2824
02:45:40,160 --> 02:45:44,920
Speaker 18: Age does not always make people eldership applicable. But thank

2825
02:45:44,959 --> 02:45:47,400
Speaker 18: you for that correction. Number two. I would also say

2826
02:45:47,480 --> 02:45:47,640
Speaker 18: to you.

2827
02:45:47,720 --> 02:45:48,440
Speaker 6: As I've said to.

2828
02:45:50,120 --> 02:45:52,440
Speaker 18: Baba Carl Nelson, what I've called like I'll say, man,

2829
02:45:52,600 --> 02:45:55,120
Speaker 18: I'm telling you, Elder Tony Browler is one of my

2830
02:45:55,280 --> 02:45:57,080
Speaker 18: favorites ever because.

2831
02:45:57,080 --> 02:45:58,240
Speaker 4: It's your humility.

2832
02:45:58,480 --> 02:46:02,880
Speaker 18: Your humility that comes despite having great wisdom as well

2833
02:46:03,120 --> 02:46:06,119
Speaker 18: as your matter of factness, and for whatever you take

2834
02:46:06,160 --> 02:46:08,280
Speaker 18: it for or not take it for, I'm just telling you,

2835
02:46:08,480 --> 02:46:10,879
Speaker 18: I'm a person at fifty years old by the way

2836
02:46:11,160 --> 02:46:13,920
Speaker 18: that it certainly appreciates that from you, and it makes

2837
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:18,360
Speaker 18: it easier oftentimes to hear the wisdom that you have.

2838
02:46:18,760 --> 02:46:21,840
Speaker 18: Not all people that are on your level have that

2839
02:46:22,000 --> 02:46:27,840
Speaker 18: same humility and matter of factness about the way they deliver. Now,

2840
02:46:27,920 --> 02:46:31,040
Speaker 18: the real reason for my call is you mentioned and

2841
02:46:31,320 --> 02:46:33,320
Speaker 18: I believe me, I get it. I'm not one of

2842
02:46:33,360 --> 02:46:35,400
Speaker 18: these women that's been to get into the thing about

2843
02:46:35,480 --> 02:46:37,960
Speaker 18: being offended that you said what you said about the

2844
02:46:38,040 --> 02:46:40,920
Speaker 18: women and how disheartening it is and the fake hair

2845
02:46:41,080 --> 02:46:44,920
Speaker 18: and these things. I'm there as well, and I don't

2846
02:46:44,959 --> 02:46:47,280
Speaker 18: have to prove anything. I got my hair going out

2847
02:46:47,320 --> 02:46:49,200
Speaker 18: of my rooms all the way down. My back is

2848
02:46:49,200 --> 02:46:53,200
Speaker 18: a locked sister, So I'm cool. But I have been

2849
02:46:53,280 --> 02:46:55,920
Speaker 18: in the journey. I have had that mess in my hair.

2850
02:46:56,040 --> 02:46:59,120
Speaker 18: I have cooked and fried my brains for many years

2851
02:46:59,160 --> 02:47:03,920
Speaker 18: in the past. Brand New that said, I would ask you,

2852
02:47:04,160 --> 02:47:08,480
Speaker 18: if you would, elder, to maybe take the statement that

2853
02:47:08,640 --> 02:47:13,200
Speaker 18: you mentioned a little step further and put some a

2854
02:47:13,240 --> 02:47:17,320
Speaker 18: little tag on it in wisdom to your to the

2855
02:47:17,879 --> 02:47:20,960
Speaker 18: quote unquote black male population. And the reason I say

2856
02:47:21,040 --> 02:47:24,120
Speaker 18: that is this in closing is because even though that

2857
02:47:24,320 --> 02:47:26,280
Speaker 18: is an argument to be made, and we have a

2858
02:47:26,320 --> 02:47:29,520
Speaker 18: lot of problems out here as sisters in and of itself,

2859
02:47:29,600 --> 02:47:32,200
Speaker 18: which is why, as we know, after consider rights, the

2860
02:47:32,280 --> 02:47:34,000
Speaker 18: passage should be taught by other.

2861
02:47:34,200 --> 02:47:35,320
Speaker 5: Sisters to sisters.

2862
02:47:36,440 --> 02:47:39,720
Speaker 18: But too many males they use that point of what

2863
02:47:39,959 --> 02:47:43,080
Speaker 18: you said, elder, but they don't have your wisdom, they

2864
02:47:43,120 --> 02:47:45,440
Speaker 18: don't have your way of thinking. They don't have the

2865
02:47:45,560 --> 02:47:49,120
Speaker 18: best interest of the black family in mind, so they

2866
02:47:49,320 --> 02:47:53,000
Speaker 18: use that as a way to bash the sisterhood and

2867
02:47:53,240 --> 02:47:56,320
Speaker 18: use that as to why people don't want sisters. So,

2868
02:47:56,480 --> 02:47:59,240
Speaker 18: if you have anything in addition, when I hang up

2869
02:47:59,280 --> 02:48:02,480
Speaker 18: to impart to say that, I didn't that you didn't

2870
02:48:02,600 --> 02:48:04,119
Speaker 18: just say that just for the sake.

2871
02:48:04,000 --> 02:48:04,560
Speaker 4: Of saying it.

2872
02:48:05,120 --> 02:48:10,160
Speaker 18: What can black men be doing in their households right

2873
02:48:10,320 --> 02:48:13,360
Speaker 18: now with the sisters that are under their sound of

2874
02:48:13,360 --> 02:48:17,640
Speaker 18: their voices that they are rearing or even as grandchildren,

2875
02:48:17,879 --> 02:48:21,800
Speaker 18: to encourage them and get them to change paths rather

2876
02:48:21,959 --> 02:48:25,560
Speaker 18: than use this that as a tool to further bash

2877
02:48:25,680 --> 02:48:29,280
Speaker 18: black women and thus not strengthen the black family. Thank

2878
02:48:29,360 --> 02:48:30,960
Speaker 18: you so much for letting me get that out there,

2879
02:48:31,000 --> 02:48:32,080
Speaker 18: and I'm happy to listen here.

2880
02:48:35,200 --> 02:48:36,560
Speaker 1: We got to take a short break here. I don't

2881
02:48:36,560 --> 02:48:38,080
Speaker 1: want to break your rhythm, So let's take the break

2882
02:48:38,080 --> 02:48:39,960
Speaker 1: a little bit early and then I'll let you respond

2883
02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:42,480
Speaker 1: to Jay's question. Family, you two can get in on

2884
02:48:42,600 --> 02:48:45,039
Speaker 1: this conversation with Tony Browner. Just reach out to us

2885
02:48:45,080 --> 02:48:48,520
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six,

2886
02:48:48,520 --> 02:48:51,520
Speaker 1: and we'll take a phone calls next a grand Rising family.

2887
02:48:51,840 --> 02:48:53,840
Speaker 1: Thanks for sticking with us on this Thursday morning here

2888
02:48:53,879 --> 02:48:55,800
Speaker 1: with our guests. To Tony Brown. Before we go back

2889
02:48:55,800 --> 02:48:58,000
Speaker 1: to brother Tony, I just want to remind you Tomorrow's Friday.

2890
02:48:58,320 --> 02:48:59,760
Speaker 1: We're going to give you a chance to free in

2891
02:48:59,800 --> 02:49:01,959
Speaker 1: mind and all that means, he says, think for yourself.

2892
02:49:02,040 --> 02:49:04,200
Speaker 1: You can hit us up ston at six am Eastern

2893
02:49:04,240 --> 02:49:07,720
Speaker 1: time right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB if

2894
02:49:07,760 --> 02:49:11,120
Speaker 1: you're in the DMV or on fourteen fifty WOL. All right,

2895
02:49:11,160 --> 02:49:13,920
Speaker 1: brother Tony, I'll let you finish responding to Jr's question

2896
02:49:14,040 --> 02:49:14,680
Speaker 1: that you posed to you.

2897
02:49:15,879 --> 02:49:20,520
Speaker 5: Sure well, Jail Jr. For a fifty year old expresses

2898
02:49:20,560 --> 02:49:24,000
Speaker 5: a lot of wisdom herself, and she asked me specifically

2899
02:49:24,080 --> 02:49:27,800
Speaker 5: about hair. And yes, I was very selected with my

2900
02:49:27,920 --> 02:49:32,000
Speaker 5: words when I broached this topic, because I know this

2901
02:49:32,200 --> 02:49:34,760
Speaker 5: is a very sensitive issue for a lot of people.

2902
02:49:35,080 --> 02:49:39,359
Speaker 5: And to that point, I've had private conversations with sisters

2903
02:49:39,480 --> 02:49:43,600
Speaker 5: who I know and who I respect, and I've asked

2904
02:49:43,640 --> 02:49:47,640
Speaker 5: them to begin to discuss this issue with the women

2905
02:49:47,720 --> 02:49:51,160
Speaker 5: in their communities. Because here if doctor Wilson used to

2906
02:49:51,200 --> 02:49:55,879
Speaker 5: say hair is a symbol of consciousness. Doctor Wilson would

2907
02:49:55,920 --> 02:49:59,480
Speaker 5: sometimes get a little spiritual when she talked about hair

2908
02:49:59,560 --> 02:50:01,680
Speaker 5: and said, hey, there is your antenna. Hair connects you

2909
02:50:01,800 --> 02:50:04,199
Speaker 5: with the creator. So one has to ask a question,

2910
02:50:05,760 --> 02:50:08,880
Speaker 5: what's the difference between a person who wears their hair

2911
02:50:09,040 --> 02:50:11,680
Speaker 5: naturally and is connected to a natural source of creation

2912
02:50:12,160 --> 02:50:15,520
Speaker 5: and someone who fries, dies and lays their hair to

2913
02:50:15,640 --> 02:50:18,200
Speaker 5: the side. What is their connection with the creator? And

2914
02:50:18,400 --> 02:50:20,879
Speaker 5: what is the connection of someone who wears somebody else's

2915
02:50:20,959 --> 02:50:24,880
Speaker 5: hair or synthetic hair or animal hair. All these things

2916
02:50:25,000 --> 02:50:28,480
Speaker 5: impact us, but we don't have conversations about this, and

2917
02:50:29,080 --> 02:50:32,640
Speaker 5: we're living at a time when these pointed conversations need

2918
02:50:32,920 --> 02:50:36,440
Speaker 5: to be had, and these conversations could be best head

2919
02:50:36,560 --> 02:50:40,800
Speaker 5: and best heard by sisters who can speak two sisters

2920
02:50:41,680 --> 02:50:44,240
Speaker 5: in a language that they can understand and better appreciate.

2921
02:50:45,000 --> 02:50:48,400
Speaker 5: Brothers need to be more respectful when it comes to

2922
02:50:48,480 --> 02:50:52,200
Speaker 5: talking to each other and when talking to sisters. As

2923
02:50:52,240 --> 02:50:54,440
Speaker 5: I stated earlier, I don't believe we should be talking

2924
02:50:54,480 --> 02:50:57,040
Speaker 5: about each other, calling each other bad, calling each other

2925
02:50:57,120 --> 02:51:00,480
Speaker 5: out of their names. That is injurious to our spirit,

2926
02:51:00,800 --> 02:51:04,720
Speaker 5: and anyone who loves black folk would never ever do that.

2927
02:51:05,400 --> 02:51:08,120
Speaker 5: So I could go on and say more, but I

2928
02:51:08,200 --> 02:51:10,840
Speaker 5: would refer folk to my first book from the Browder

2929
02:51:10,920 --> 02:51:14,760
Speaker 5: File and the essay on the Politics of Hair, which

2930
02:51:15,160 --> 02:51:18,520
Speaker 5: will give you my opinion on hair as a tool

2931
02:51:19,040 --> 02:51:21,520
Speaker 5: of liberation. You can go into the next call it Carl.

2932
02:51:21,680 --> 02:51:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, before we do that, I got a tweet for you, Tony.

2933
02:51:24,520 --> 02:51:27,160
Speaker 1: This says Grand Rising, Tony, our hair is spiritual, is

2934
02:51:27,400 --> 02:51:32,240
Speaker 1: spiritual antenna. It's curly because it mimics the cyclical nature

2935
02:51:32,280 --> 02:51:37,000
Speaker 1: of time, seasons, the annual planetary cycle, the soul cycle,

2936
02:51:37,120 --> 02:51:40,920
Speaker 1: the galactic cycle, and the universal cycles. From that, we

2937
02:51:41,000 --> 02:51:45,040
Speaker 1: are naturally able to download spiritual information and knowledge of

2938
02:51:45,200 --> 02:51:49,040
Speaker 1: truth from the atmosphere, the environment, and the Creator. So,

2939
02:51:49,480 --> 02:51:51,400
Speaker 1: first of go on to say, so please black people,

2940
02:51:51,560 --> 02:51:54,480
Speaker 1: love your hair, care for your natural hair. Understand that

2941
02:51:54,640 --> 02:51:57,640
Speaker 1: your natural hair is a gift from God to keep

2942
02:51:57,680 --> 02:52:01,880
Speaker 1: you connected to the most High God and your spiritual essence. Brother, Tony,

2943
02:52:02,240 --> 02:52:03,360
Speaker 1: you say what that's a.

2944
02:52:03,400 --> 02:52:06,840
Speaker 5: Question from Well, I would co sign with the person said.

2945
02:52:07,160 --> 02:52:09,240
Speaker 5: And if you think if we use the same analogy,

2946
02:52:09,879 --> 02:52:12,640
Speaker 5: if you see the hair as an antenna, let's think

2947
02:52:12,720 --> 02:52:17,199
Speaker 5: back to the nineteen fifties when our televisions were black

2948
02:52:17,240 --> 02:52:18,960
Speaker 5: and white. Maybe a little bit of color if you

2949
02:52:19,000 --> 02:52:22,320
Speaker 5: had a little money, but you had the rabbit ear antennas,

2950
02:52:22,360 --> 02:52:28,160
Speaker 5: those straight antennas, and that if this signal was bad,

2951
02:52:28,240 --> 02:52:30,480
Speaker 5: you moved the antenna around, or some folk would take

2952
02:52:30,520 --> 02:52:32,760
Speaker 5: a piece of a littlemit of full and put it

2953
02:52:32,879 --> 02:52:35,320
Speaker 5: on the top of the antenna. Then in the late

2954
02:52:35,480 --> 02:52:40,000
Speaker 5: sixties we had UHF ultra high frequency stations. We no

2955
02:52:40,120 --> 02:52:43,640
Speaker 5: longer we went beyond VHF very high frequencies to ultra

2956
02:52:43,720 --> 02:52:48,920
Speaker 5: high frequencies. And then the antenna changed on the television set.

2957
02:52:49,160 --> 02:52:53,160
Speaker 5: The antenna was no longer straight, it was circular. Right,

2958
02:52:53,560 --> 02:52:57,359
Speaker 5: So that circular antenna is in tune with the cyclical

2959
02:52:57,480 --> 02:53:02,520
Speaker 5: and circlecal circleal nature of the universe and how energy moves,

2960
02:53:02,720 --> 02:53:08,080
Speaker 5: and it picks up a ultra high frequency UHF. And

2961
02:53:08,200 --> 02:53:11,960
Speaker 5: then if we go on and look at when we

2962
02:53:12,080 --> 02:53:16,879
Speaker 5: got into the Internet and these other means of accessing

2963
02:53:17,200 --> 02:53:21,000
Speaker 5: the World Wide Web, when we saw the satellite dishes,

2964
02:53:21,440 --> 02:53:26,320
Speaker 5: the satellite dishes were circular. There's a reason why things

2965
02:53:26,440 --> 02:53:29,920
Speaker 5: are circular, and circular things can gather more information as

2966
02:53:29,959 --> 02:53:33,360
Speaker 5: opposed to straight things, which can only tap into a

2967
02:53:34,080 --> 02:53:38,240
Speaker 5: short bandwidth of information, a short frequency of information. So

2968
02:53:38,400 --> 02:53:41,240
Speaker 5: if your hair isn't antenna, then you would want your

2969
02:53:41,320 --> 02:53:45,560
Speaker 5: hair to be circular as opposed to straight. Now that's

2970
02:53:45,720 --> 02:53:48,960
Speaker 5: kind of a scientific interpretation, but the bottom line is

2971
02:53:49,480 --> 02:53:51,360
Speaker 5: people can wear their hair the way that they want

2972
02:53:51,400 --> 02:53:55,000
Speaker 5: to wear their hair. That's your right, but you should

2973
02:53:55,040 --> 02:53:58,760
Speaker 5: also be conscientious about what you do so that you

2974
02:53:58,879 --> 02:54:00,800
Speaker 5: stay in the right as opposed to stay in the role.

2975
02:54:01,200 --> 02:54:05,200
Speaker 5: And lastly, I'll say this, there have been numerous medical

2976
02:54:05,280 --> 02:54:10,400
Speaker 5: reports that have come out in recent years, specifically talking

2977
02:54:10,440 --> 02:54:15,400
Speaker 5: about the harmful effects of the chemicals that women use

2978
02:54:15,520 --> 02:54:20,560
Speaker 5: on their hair, and that specifically those chemicals permeate the

2979
02:54:21,840 --> 02:54:26,600
Speaker 5: skin and are absorbed into the brain. So there have

2980
02:54:26,680 --> 02:54:32,640
Speaker 5: been several articles written by neurosurgeons who said that they

2981
02:54:32,720 --> 02:54:36,440
Speaker 5: have noticed when they perform surgery on the skulls on

2982
02:54:36,560 --> 02:54:41,200
Speaker 5: the brains of black women, their brains women who have perms,

2983
02:54:41,560 --> 02:54:45,240
Speaker 5: their brains are coated with this substance which is a

2984
02:54:45,360 --> 02:54:50,800
Speaker 5: byproduct of the chemicals in the perms and the relaxes

2985
02:54:50,879 --> 02:54:53,920
Speaker 5: that they use. So that being the case, why would

2986
02:54:54,080 --> 02:54:57,760
Speaker 5: any person subject themselves to that? And what is the

2987
02:54:57,840 --> 02:55:01,000
Speaker 5: effect of those chemicals on our brains? Do they cause

2988
02:55:01,120 --> 02:55:03,480
Speaker 5: us to be less loving to our children? Do they

2989
02:55:03,560 --> 02:55:06,600
Speaker 5: cause us to obe? Do they cause fiboys? Do they

2990
02:55:06,720 --> 02:55:13,640
Speaker 5: cause issues that appear to affect black women disproportionally? So

2991
02:55:14,320 --> 02:55:18,080
Speaker 5: you've got a number of freaquent guests when your shows

2992
02:55:18,160 --> 02:55:22,640
Speaker 5: called who are physicians? Who are scientists? Who are female?

2993
02:55:23,320 --> 02:55:25,920
Speaker 5: And I think they would be best suited to answer

2994
02:55:26,000 --> 02:55:28,440
Speaker 5: this question. But there is something to it.

2995
02:55:29,240 --> 02:55:31,320
Speaker 1: All right, thirteen away from the top, I still got

2996
02:55:31,360 --> 02:55:33,039
Speaker 1: a bunch of folks want to talk to you, brother Tony.

2997
02:55:33,200 --> 02:55:35,400
Speaker 1: Let's go to Baltimore Money. Mike's waiting for us. He's

2998
02:55:35,440 --> 02:55:38,840
Speaker 1: online three Grand Rising Money Mike, you on with Tony Browner.

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02:55:40,160 --> 02:55:43,520
Speaker 7: Grand Raising called, mister Browder. I just want to make

3000
02:55:43,560 --> 02:55:46,760
Speaker 7: a brief comment. I want to thank you for emphasizing

3001
02:55:47,040 --> 02:55:50,560
Speaker 7: education and reading. And you know, I don't know why,

3002
02:55:50,720 --> 02:55:54,960
Speaker 7: but for some reason, we don't talk about education the

3003
02:55:55,080 --> 02:55:57,200
Speaker 7: way we used to, the way our grandparents used to,

3004
02:55:57,360 --> 02:55:59,680
Speaker 7: and I think that's a problem. So I want to

3005
02:55:59,720 --> 02:56:02,920
Speaker 7: thank thank you for doing that, and Peece and blessings, sir.

3006
02:56:04,760 --> 02:56:05,400
Speaker 4: Thanks to you, Mike.

3007
02:56:05,800 --> 02:56:09,520
Speaker 5: I appreciate you calling in the calls show frequently and

3008
02:56:09,760 --> 02:56:12,520
Speaker 5: challenging some of the guests and challenging some of the listeners.

3009
02:56:12,760 --> 02:56:15,040
Speaker 5: That's a good thing. Let me say this about education.

3010
02:56:15,720 --> 02:56:20,560
Speaker 5: The elders, my grandparents and great grandparents understood that education

3011
02:56:20,959 --> 02:56:24,480
Speaker 5: was the way forward. Education allowed you to be able

3012
02:56:24,520 --> 02:56:26,520
Speaker 5: to get a better job, to take care of your family,

3013
02:56:26,800 --> 02:56:29,439
Speaker 5: allowed you to read so that you couldn't be exploited

3014
02:56:29,520 --> 02:56:33,400
Speaker 5: by banks and insurance companies and other business people who

3015
02:56:33,440 --> 02:56:38,120
Speaker 5: exploited our ignorance. But what happened in the sixties and

3016
02:56:38,200 --> 02:56:40,680
Speaker 5: seventies and the sixties, more black people went to college

3017
02:56:41,280 --> 02:56:44,720
Speaker 5: and took advantage of educational opportunities. And as a consequence

3018
02:56:44,760 --> 02:56:46,800
Speaker 5: of more black folk going to college in the sixties,

3019
02:56:47,080 --> 02:56:49,320
Speaker 5: we began to see that what we were being taught

3020
02:56:49,400 --> 02:56:52,199
Speaker 5: in colleges was inadequate, and so there was a push

3021
02:56:52,760 --> 02:56:57,000
Speaker 5: for black studies. There was a push for black consciousness

3022
02:56:57,040 --> 02:57:01,640
Speaker 5: within the school system that trickled throughout the community and

3023
02:57:01,840 --> 02:57:04,600
Speaker 5: all around the world. And white folks had to shut

3024
02:57:05,000 --> 02:57:08,080
Speaker 5: that down. And so what happened. I just read an

3025
02:57:08,160 --> 02:57:11,199
Speaker 5: article in the paper last night, New York Times last

3026
02:57:11,280 --> 02:57:15,640
Speaker 5: night that at San Diego State of San Diego University

3027
02:57:16,600 --> 02:57:20,000
Speaker 5: they just did away with a scholarship for black folk

3028
02:57:20,280 --> 02:57:23,400
Speaker 5: because they were being they were sued by a white

3029
02:57:23,520 --> 02:57:28,880
Speaker 5: organization and they used a falls and from a law

3030
02:57:29,040 --> 02:57:35,040
Speaker 5: in the eighteen sixties that was written specifically for the

3031
02:57:35,120 --> 02:57:38,440
Speaker 5: Kuklux Klan, so they twisted this thing around in order

3032
02:57:38,560 --> 02:57:41,720
Speaker 5: to abolish this scholarship for black folk, so a white

3033
02:57:41,760 --> 02:57:46,000
Speaker 5: person cannot get those scholarships. So what we've also witnessed

3034
02:57:46,000 --> 02:57:50,279
Speaker 5: with regardless to education is that education has become too expensive.

3035
02:57:50,680 --> 02:57:52,880
Speaker 5: When I was at Howard in the nineteen seventies, my

3036
02:57:53,040 --> 02:57:56,840
Speaker 5: tuition was maybe two thousand dollars a year, and now

3037
02:57:56,920 --> 02:58:00,200
Speaker 5: it's twelve thousand dollars or more a year. We are

3038
02:58:00,280 --> 02:58:02,680
Speaker 5: now going into debt to getting an education that no

3039
02:58:02,800 --> 02:58:06,880
Speaker 5: longer serves them. So the playing field has shifted, and

3040
02:58:07,080 --> 02:58:10,080
Speaker 5: the educational system has now become a business, has now

3041
02:58:10,160 --> 02:58:14,000
Speaker 5: become an enterprise. So just because you can't go to college,

3042
02:58:14,800 --> 02:58:16,960
Speaker 5: or decide not to go to college because college is

3043
02:58:17,080 --> 02:58:20,360
Speaker 5: not for everybody, it doesn't mean that you can't educate yourself.

3044
02:58:20,600 --> 02:58:22,720
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that you shouldn't read, It doesn't mean

3045
02:58:22,800 --> 02:58:24,920
Speaker 5: that you shouldn't study with other people we're interested in

3046
02:58:25,080 --> 02:58:28,080
Speaker 5: doing the same thing. So all education does not necessarily

3047
02:58:28,160 --> 02:58:31,880
Speaker 5: have to take place within an educational formal educational environment.

3048
02:58:32,040 --> 02:58:33,560
Speaker 5: It could take place in the beauty shops in the

3049
02:58:33,600 --> 02:58:36,880
Speaker 5: barber shops, in the churches, in Sunday schools. That's what

3050
02:58:37,000 --> 02:58:41,640
Speaker 5: we used to do before integration. We made our places

3051
02:58:42,240 --> 02:58:46,000
Speaker 5: wherever we gathered, places where we educated everybody in the community.

3052
02:58:46,400 --> 02:58:49,760
Speaker 5: And the word was the opportite phrase was each one

3053
02:58:50,440 --> 02:58:52,960
Speaker 5: teach one. When I went to South Africa and visited

3054
02:58:53,080 --> 02:58:55,440
Speaker 5: Robin Island, that was a philosophy that all of the

3055
02:58:55,520 --> 02:58:58,360
Speaker 5: inmates in Robin Ireland used. If you had a sixth

3056
02:58:58,400 --> 02:59:01,560
Speaker 5: grade education, then you called everybody with the fifth grade

3057
02:59:01,680 --> 02:59:04,840
Speaker 5: education in below right, each one teach one, so we

3058
02:59:05,000 --> 02:59:08,280
Speaker 5: all have knowledge that they can benefit someone else. We

3059
02:59:08,440 --> 02:59:13,160
Speaker 5: need to be actively engaged in the process of educating others.

3060
02:59:13,200 --> 02:59:16,240
Speaker 5: When I say educate, I mean educate in the literal

3061
02:59:16,640 --> 02:59:19,160
Speaker 5: definition of the word reduce ray to bring out, bring

3062
02:59:19,280 --> 02:59:21,600
Speaker 5: out the greatness and the goodness within each person.

3063
02:59:21,760 --> 02:59:22,480
Speaker 4: It's there.

3064
02:59:23,040 --> 02:59:25,520
Speaker 5: We just have to create the right environment where the

3065
02:59:25,600 --> 02:59:27,920
Speaker 5: person can bring out the goodness, the God for us,

3066
02:59:27,959 --> 02:59:30,200
Speaker 5: whatever term you want to use within that person, so

3067
02:59:30,320 --> 02:59:33,960
Speaker 5: that they can manifest goodness and greatness and the best

3068
02:59:34,160 --> 02:59:35,720
Speaker 5: of who they are wherever they are.

3069
02:59:36,560 --> 02:59:39,200
Speaker 1: Gotcha nine away from the top there with Tony Browner

3070
02:59:39,400 --> 02:59:42,200
Speaker 1: Inoc's reaching out to us from the Los Angeles online too,

3071
02:59:42,320 --> 02:59:44,439
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Inch you're with Tony.

3072
02:59:44,280 --> 02:59:52,000
Speaker 8: Browner, Grand Rising blacar On Greetings by Tony breathing our gift,

3073
02:59:52,760 --> 02:59:55,120
Speaker 8: our gift. Then for your your your words soon and

3074
02:59:55,200 --> 02:59:57,720
Speaker 8: your part of this rising because it's right on key.

3075
02:59:58,440 --> 03:00:02,400
Speaker 8: You're talking about the hair, and I think they they've

3076
03:00:02,440 --> 03:00:06,040
Speaker 8: cut off the hair because it's really heritage, you know,

3077
03:00:06,760 --> 03:00:09,040
Speaker 8: So let's put it right in the center of what

3078
03:00:09,120 --> 03:00:15,320
Speaker 8: we're dealing with, the heritage of mellenated people. It's a

3079
03:00:15,440 --> 03:00:23,640
Speaker 8: conduit of energy that means that it generates energy, electricity, vibration,

3080
03:00:25,640 --> 03:00:28,520
Speaker 8: intellect and all the good things it does for us

3081
03:00:28,560 --> 03:00:35,359
Speaker 8: in its natural state. So this topic is very essential

3082
03:00:36,240 --> 03:00:40,480
Speaker 8: at the time that we're living in as melenated people,

3083
03:00:40,560 --> 03:00:45,360
Speaker 8: because we can't go ahead of ourselves and act like

3084
03:00:46,480 --> 03:00:50,520
Speaker 8: we can't have these tough conversations. These tough conversations are needed.

3085
03:00:51,320 --> 03:00:54,240
Speaker 8: We have to, we have to discuss them, we have

3086
03:00:54,360 --> 03:00:57,240
Speaker 8: to bring them to the forefront. And I want you

3087
03:00:57,280 --> 03:01:05,039
Speaker 8: to elaborate on the eleven I excavated churches out of Ethiopia.

3088
03:01:05,040 --> 03:01:07,800
Speaker 8: A lot of Bellum eleven churches, okay, and well they're

3089
03:01:08,080 --> 03:01:11,360
Speaker 8: yu to Christianity on the West that can give us

3090
03:01:11,400 --> 03:01:15,520
Speaker 8: a little bit more anchoring to our divinity and our heritage,

3091
03:01:15,760 --> 03:01:19,360
Speaker 8: because you're laborated on that at least. Okay, sure, let

3092
03:01:19,400 --> 03:01:21,720
Speaker 8: me say thank you, brother, I appreciate it. Let me

3093
03:01:21,760 --> 03:01:25,400
Speaker 8: say this before I say that. A lot has been

3094
03:01:25,480 --> 03:01:30,280
Speaker 8: said about hair, but there's also another there's another component

3095
03:01:30,360 --> 03:01:33,080
Speaker 8: to this conversation that has not been discussed. What about

3096
03:01:33,120 --> 03:01:35,200
Speaker 8: folks who don't have hair. I lost my hair over

3097
03:01:35,240 --> 03:01:36,400
Speaker 8: twenty years ago, and.

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03:01:36,400 --> 03:01:38,560
Speaker 5: It's only when I began losing my hair that I

3099
03:01:38,640 --> 03:01:44,920
Speaker 5: began to realize how much attention people focus on hair. Right,

3100
03:01:45,920 --> 03:01:48,520
Speaker 5: it's only when you lose something that you realize how

3101
03:01:48,680 --> 03:01:52,360
Speaker 5: valuable it is, or you view it differently. So what

3102
03:01:52,560 --> 03:01:55,600
Speaker 5: I know, what I've come to learn is that priests

3103
03:01:55,920 --> 03:01:59,840
Speaker 5: and Kimmid and priests in other traditions, they will cut

3104
03:02:00,080 --> 03:02:05,760
Speaker 5: their hair. Why because in some instances, hair interferes with

3105
03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:10,440
Speaker 5: one's ability to access certain frequencies of consciousness. That's another

3106
03:02:10,520 --> 03:02:13,320
Speaker 5: conversation for another time, but I want to put that

3107
03:02:13,480 --> 03:02:16,920
Speaker 5: out there. And the priests of Kimmoth all had shaved hair,

3108
03:02:17,400 --> 03:02:20,520
Speaker 5: but they wore wigs for certain occasions. So hair has

3109
03:02:20,560 --> 03:02:23,440
Speaker 5: a purpose, and we need to understand the purpose and

3110
03:02:23,520 --> 03:02:26,720
Speaker 5: the value of it. You referenced the churches in Lallabella

3111
03:02:27,440 --> 03:02:31,680
Speaker 5: in Ethiopia. I've had the pleasure of traveling to Ethiopia

3112
03:02:31,840 --> 03:02:35,560
Speaker 5: and seeing those churches. What we see in Ethiopia is

3113
03:02:35,840 --> 03:02:39,720
Speaker 5: an original form of Christianity. Christianity is viewed and as

3114
03:02:41,080 --> 03:02:45,640
Speaker 5: interpreted by African people. The roots of Christianity are African.

3115
03:02:46,800 --> 03:02:49,640
Speaker 5: And one of the things that bothered me the last

3116
03:02:49,680 --> 03:02:53,560
Speaker 5: time I was in Ethiopia back in what thirteen twenty fourteen.

3117
03:02:53,640 --> 03:02:56,800
Speaker 5: I was there with doctor Julius Garvey and some other folks,

3118
03:02:57,360 --> 03:03:02,920
Speaker 5: and we visited the monasteries there, and what people shared

3119
03:03:02,959 --> 03:03:06,600
Speaker 5: with me was their concern and that many of the

3120
03:03:06,879 --> 03:03:16,039
Speaker 5: Ethiopian Orthodox monasteries Christian monasteries now have taken.

3121
03:03:15,840 --> 03:03:16,920
Speaker 4: Down the.

3122
03:03:18,400 --> 03:03:23,640
Speaker 5: Images of a melinated Jesus and married and persons in

3123
03:03:23,760 --> 03:03:27,440
Speaker 5: the Bible, and they've been replaced by non melinated images,

3124
03:03:27,800 --> 03:03:32,240
Speaker 5: even in Ethiopia, the home of Christianity. So I would

3125
03:03:32,240 --> 03:03:36,160
Speaker 5: say that our concepts of God have been under constant

3126
03:03:36,400 --> 03:03:42,960
Speaker 5: attack for over three thousand years, and one would do

3127
03:03:43,160 --> 03:03:47,320
Speaker 5: well to understand the source of the attack, where the

3128
03:03:47,400 --> 03:03:51,840
Speaker 5: attack comes from, and how the attack has impacted us

3129
03:03:52,120 --> 03:03:55,760
Speaker 5: on a personal level, so that we can begin to

3130
03:03:55,879 --> 03:04:01,080
Speaker 5: become more judicious thinkers about our relationship with the unseen,

3131
03:04:01,480 --> 03:04:04,720
Speaker 5: our relationship to the Creator. That is what's required now

3132
03:04:05,160 --> 03:04:07,760
Speaker 5: at this critical point in history, because I guarantee you

3133
03:04:08,200 --> 03:04:12,600
Speaker 5: within the next ten years, the world's perception of God

3134
03:04:12,720 --> 03:04:16,520
Speaker 5: and the Creator will shift dramatically when information which has

3135
03:04:16,680 --> 03:04:20,320
Speaker 5: been suppressed for at least two thousand years comes to light.

3136
03:04:20,800 --> 03:04:24,040
Speaker 5: Shall just be prepared and I'll leave with this. I

3137
03:04:24,080 --> 03:04:27,400
Speaker 5: don't want to be so nebulous and cryptic. God is

3138
03:04:27,440 --> 03:04:29,840
Speaker 5: a consciousness. God is not a person.

3139
03:04:30,800 --> 03:04:31,560
Speaker 4: God is not a.

3140
03:04:32,040 --> 03:04:37,720
Speaker 5: Vengeful person who demands respect and adoration. These are concepts

3141
03:04:37,800 --> 03:04:40,320
Speaker 5: and ideas that were reinterpreted by us in order to

3142
03:04:40,440 --> 03:04:45,600
Speaker 5: control people consciousness. God is force, God is energy, and

3143
03:04:45,680 --> 03:04:48,720
Speaker 5: as doctor Benoten says, you can't have God without a goddess.

3144
03:04:50,280 --> 03:04:53,160
Speaker 5: That's part of the problem with most religious The female

3145
03:04:53,280 --> 03:04:57,120
Speaker 5: aspect of the Creator has been suppressed and oppressed and eliminated.

3146
03:04:57,680 --> 03:05:00,760
Speaker 5: That's why more people have died in the name of

3147
03:05:00,959 --> 03:05:04,760
Speaker 5: God than will ever be saved by him. So I

3148
03:05:04,879 --> 03:05:08,560
Speaker 5: don't mean to be blasphemous. What I do mean to

3149
03:05:08,680 --> 03:05:13,160
Speaker 5: do is to challenge people to read, to reason, and

3150
03:05:13,320 --> 03:05:17,160
Speaker 5: to study history. Study your oppressor and how your oppressor

3151
03:05:17,240 --> 03:05:21,080
Speaker 5: has used these tools to contain you, to confuse you,

3152
03:05:21,720 --> 03:05:25,920
Speaker 5: and to minimize your ability to manifest what some refer

3153
03:05:26,040 --> 03:05:28,280
Speaker 5: to as the God's force which all of us are

3154
03:05:28,400 --> 03:05:32,160
Speaker 5: born in. We're born here to be creators. We're not God,

3155
03:05:32,240 --> 03:05:35,080
Speaker 5: but we have the capacity to create. And Earth is

3156
03:05:35,200 --> 03:05:39,880
Speaker 5: the dominion where human beings can either create Heaven on

3157
03:05:40,040 --> 03:05:45,200
Speaker 5: Earth or hell on earth. Your consciousness determines what you create.

3158
03:05:45,640 --> 03:05:49,640
Speaker 5: Expand your consciousness. Know who you are, act on that knowledge,

3159
03:05:49,760 --> 03:05:52,840
Speaker 5: and your world will change, and the world will ultimately

3160
03:05:52,959 --> 03:05:56,040
Speaker 5: be a better place. That's where we are, and that's

3161
03:05:56,120 --> 03:05:58,760
Speaker 5: our mention if we want to vive as a people.

3162
03:05:59,440 --> 03:06:01,760
Speaker 1: Thanks ro Tony. How can folks reach you if they

3163
03:06:01,800 --> 03:06:03,480
Speaker 1: want to get your books or anything like that. It's

3164
03:06:03,520 --> 03:06:04,360
Speaker 1: a website.

3165
03:06:05,520 --> 03:06:09,960
Speaker 5: Go to the website www dot ikg desh info dot com.

3166
03:06:10,360 --> 03:06:13,920
Speaker 5: IKG desh info dot com. Carl, thank you very much

3167
03:06:13,959 --> 03:06:17,440
Speaker 5: for this opportunity, and the Vember seventeenth is a lifeline.

3168
03:06:17,520 --> 03:06:19,320
Speaker 5: November seventeenth, all right.

3169
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Speaker 1: All right, thanks, thanks brother Tony, and apologize the folks

3170
03:06:23,640 --> 03:06:25,480
Speaker 1: to speak to him. A lot of folks didn't get

3171
03:06:25,480 --> 03:06:26,880
Speaker 1: to speak you, Tony, but we got to move on.

3172
03:06:27,080 --> 03:06:30,360
Speaker 1: Classes dismissed for the day. Stay strong, stay positive, please

3173
03:06:30,560 --> 03:06:33,000
Speaker 1: please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock,

3174
03:06:33,080 --> 03:06:35,920
Speaker 1: right here in Baltimore on ten ten w LB and

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03:06:36,000 --> 03:06:39,080
Speaker 1: in the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL