1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: I hate to do this, but I feel like I 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: got to agree with Todd Raketa on something. 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 2: Okay. 4 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 3: Todd Raketa is. 5 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: The attorney general for the state of Indiana, and he 6 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: came out Capitol Chronicle other publications have an article about 7 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: this and basically said, Hey, there is legal precedent. 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 3: If you're a school system and. 9 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: You've got these teachers celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk, 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: you got the president to fire them, to get rid 11 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: of them, suspend them, whatever you want to do. You're 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: in good legal footing if you want to do that. 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 14 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 4: He sent out a six page memo to school superintendents 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 4: and also university administrators, and he said, you've got the 16 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 4: legal authority to punish educators for divisive or offensive political speech. 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: They've got morality clauses. Right. 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: Well, that's right, So any tea, almost all tea, I 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: assume all teachers still do. But part of your contract 20 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: with whatever school district do you work for, it is 21 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: a morality clause, right. And and government workers collectively usually 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: have this. Now that sounds laughable, right, but some of 23 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: the behavior we see from government people, employees, whatever, and 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: it's not just government a lot of you know, corporations whatever, 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: have these these things in contracts where hey, if you 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: do you know anything to embarrass this company, this entity, whatever, 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: we have the right, based on your own behavior, to 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: throw you out of here. 29 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: And basically, what the Attorney General is saying. 30 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: Is, hey, celebrating the death of an innocent person who 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: did nothing wrong. This is not doing a cheer when 32 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: they announced we got Osama bin Laden, the guy who 33 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: blew up the Twin towers. This is an innocent human 34 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: who did nothing wrong, who preached peace, who preached civility, 35 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: who the whole basically, you know, premise of existence was 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: I go places and have hard conversations with many people 37 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: who don't like me, and I do it in a 38 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: polite and nice manner. And cheering that death as an 39 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: educator who is in charge of children certainly could be 40 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: viewed as a violation of your morality clause or the 41 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: standards you're held to as a public servant. 42 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: And you're on grounds to get rid of these people. 43 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, even if the posts are made in 44 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 4: a personal capacity, they could be vulgar and disruptive. And 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: he said that they could legally terminate a teacher if 46 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 4: it has a crass tone, or if there's a community backlash, 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 4: disruption or and this is the biggie. We've heard about 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 4: this before, loss of trust. 49 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: Right, And you know what's interesting to me, Like we 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: hear the excuses now all the time. Are in my 51 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: personal capacity, there ain't no per I mean, there is 52 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: an extent of like, if you're a government employee, some 53 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: people may need to hear this more than others. But 54 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: if you're a government employe and you want to be 55 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: involved in politics, you can do that on your own time, 56 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: not while you're working on the state time or in 57 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: the state or supposed to be in the state house 58 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: or whatever. You can go to a political event in 59 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: the evening, and there's no problem with that. But this 60 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: idea of personal pages accounts whatever, if the world can 61 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: see it, you're always a reflection of your employer. It's 62 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: the reason that even though I could use much crasser 63 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: language than I use on this radio program, I always 64 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: try to use the same tone and tenor that I 65 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: do here. It does make me any less feisty on 66 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: social media, but I'm always aware of Hey, if you're 67 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: putting it on the internet, you are being judged or 68 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: you're subject to being judged and subject to the scrutiny 69 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: and potential discipline of your employer because you are a 70 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: representative of that. When people think of Rob Kendall or 71 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: Casey Daniels to think of WIBC, sure which they think 72 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: of Urban one and Urban one gives us a lot 73 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: lot of leeway on things we want to say on here, 74 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: and I've just always tried to take that approach for 75 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: the most part to the Internet, not being any less 76 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: direct with people, but just not using language any different 77 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: than I would use here. And the same thing as 78 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: true if you're a teacher like it, just because you 79 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: did on your personal page and do in the classroom, 80 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: kids can still see it, h kids can still consume it. 81 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: You are giving an insight into. 82 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: Your worldview, which if you are celebrating the death of 83 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: an innocent person, you have no business educating children or 84 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: being in charge of children. 85 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 4: So Rokita claims that there's a balancing test that applies. 86 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: It's the school's interest as an employer versus the teacher's 87 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: free speech rights. If you just are adamant and you 88 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,559 Speaker 4: have to put something out there on social media for 89 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 4: your community to know where you stand set it on private. 90 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 4: Perhaps that way it's not, but. 91 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: It's still gonna get out. You buy everything, somebody's still 92 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: gonna see it, right, I mean, it still could be shared. 93 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: It's still gonna be screenshot, screenshot, at screenshot, screenshot, screenshot, Yeah, 94 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: and shared. If you look, the internet is not private. 95 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: What you do on the internet, what you I'm sorry, 96 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: what you post on the internet. 97 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: Public consumption can be. 98 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: Consumed by the public, especially like, look, if you're some guy, 99 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm not in any way trying to like degrade or anybody. 100 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: But if you're a local, you know whatever, work at 101 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: the local convenience store, okay, and I'm not in no 102 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: way trying to, you know, say these people are bad 103 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: or not community society or whatever. But you're not going 104 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: to be under the same You're not in the same 105 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: same public eye as someone who is of stature in 106 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: the community that a teacher would be, because people know 107 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: the teacher, they know the teacher is in charge of kids. 108 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: They know the teacher has influence over your Yes, so. 109 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could post something as the guy who works 110 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 1: at the convenience store. A girl works at the convenience store. 111 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: And even if it's the same level of disgusting. You're 112 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: probably gonna get away with it because nobody's word when 113 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: you're ringing up the sodas and the candy bars about 114 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: what your view of Charlie Kirk was. But if you're 115 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: a teacher and educator, absolutely people are gonna know about it, 116 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: and you are gonna be judging. You're gonna be held 117 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: to a higher standard. 118 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: Do you have a morality clause? You probably do. Most 119 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: contracts do. You don't know word for word. 120 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 4: But isn't it interesting though, that our legislators do they 121 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 4: have a morality clause because there are many that say, 122 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 4: by the way, if you get pulled over for du 123 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 4: why you're out of here. 124 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: It's the elections, right. 125 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: But the problem is those guys have written the laws 126 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: to exempt themselves. Yeah, those guys have written the laws 127 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: so that they aren't held to account on this. 128 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: I'm sure I do. 129 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: My thing has always been I just try to take 130 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: the same persona and same standard of this radio show 131 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: and put it on the internet, like that's what I'm 132 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: willing to put on the internet. I am pretty good 133 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: at knowing where the line is. And that's just you 134 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,679 Speaker 1: have to have self control, and that's like, what would 135 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: I say when I post something on the Internet. I 136 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: was trying to think if if if David would our boss, 137 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: or Dion were standing his boss, or Andrea or standing 138 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: right in front of us me, what would they say. 139 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: I don't think I ever posted anything. 140 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: On the Internet that they would be like, I am 141 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: so surprised or appalled that you posted that. They know 142 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: what they get when they employ Rob Kendall. There's not like, 143 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: oh he was mean to a politician. He called some 144 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: guy a dope or an idiot shucker, no kidding, right, 145 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: But they don't have to worry about about me on 146 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: here swearing or doing anything that's going to get him 147 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: in trouble with the or using words that did get 148 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: them in trouble with the Federal Communications Commission, or they're 149 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: not gonna worry about that on the internet either. You know, 150 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: I hate these people as much there as I do here. 151 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: You just got to know. 152 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: And the same thing as a teacher, you have to 153 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: know and use some restraint, because what you're telling people, 154 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: if you can't use restraint on the internet, how can 155 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: you use it in the classroom.