1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,120 Speaker 1: I got in the case. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 2: What's that. 3 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: I've been a little down the past week. I've been 4 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: feeling a little yet, I've been feeling a little overwhelmed. 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: This is this is an absolute true story I'm about 6 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: to tell you. I have to think I've expressed this 7 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: to you. I said, Look, I've just been I've been 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: feeling a little overwhelmed the past week because I just 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: the politicians are so bad, and they're so brazen about 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: their badness. And it's like constantly on this program drinking 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: from a fire hose, and no matter what thing we 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: take on, what you do, there's nine things behind it. 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: And you're never going to stop these people. You're never 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: going to actually be able to solve the problem. The 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: government is too big, it's too unethical, it's too corrupt, 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: it's too rotten. And I told you, I said, for 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: the first time in I was kind of glad to 18 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: take a few days off. I've never felt that way before. 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: I've never wanted to not be here. 20 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: But I just became so reinvigorated, so well I'll get 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 3: to that in a second, but so down, down, trodden, downhearted, 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 3: that I wasn't even sure I wanted to continue, and then. 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: I thought about pulling the plug on the whole thing. 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: I said, maybe it's time for the old robber root 25 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: a skadoodle out the door and head off into the sunset. 26 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: Hu and I. Last night I had a talk with 27 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: my old man and he you know what, he told me. 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: What he said because my dad, well he dealt with 29 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: the worst of the worst for his basically entire adult life. 30 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: And he said, you know, there were times in my 31 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: career rob where I felt the same way. And then 32 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: you know what what happened? I said, what Dad? He said, 33 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: something big would hit, some big thing, and I was 34 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: instantly drawn right back into it. And today, casey Lean, 35 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: I have gone from the depths of despair and down 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: troddenness and sadness, and something big has hit poh lot 37 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: of a lot of beautiful day, Oh God of beautif 38 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: everything's going moll And that big thing is that it's 39 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: finally being revealed to the public. What a complete dumpster 40 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: fire the mayor of Carmel and her rotten city government 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: actually is. 42 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: Wow. 43 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: Okay, So the mayor of Carmel, Sufinkom, is alleging that 44 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 4: some councilors harassed city employees. 45 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: So we'll get to what she means by harassment just 46 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: a second. Okay, but this is like I would be 47 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: morti fun. Of course, these people have no shame, so 48 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: she's not gonna be embarrassed about this at all. But 49 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: all of the things going on with her city, all 50 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: of the really big issues. So you are current, which 51 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: is the sort of lack for lack of a better term, 52 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: Touny newspaper in Hamilton County City newspapers covers all things 53 00:02:54,240 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: Hamilton County. They they have this huge expose on this 54 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: email chain, I guess, for lack of a better term, 55 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: or emails that have been sent out by the mayor 56 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: of Carmel. And what is she focused on, casey, not 57 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: lowering her property tax rate, not focusing on affordability of 58 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: living for her citizens. It's not roads, it's not bridges, 59 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: not sidewalks, it's not it's not it's not water, it's 60 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: not sewer, it's not the police department, it's not the 61 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: fire which amazingly Senate Bill one passed and they still 62 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: have a fire department or Carmel, which given her testimony 63 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: in front of the senators on Senate Bill one, we 64 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: were very worried if you got any property tax relief. 65 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: The fire department might just disappear in Cardinals, so it's 66 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: still there. No, no, no, she's not focused on any of that. 67 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: She's focused on because some counselor told a city employee 68 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: that they got quote all dulled up for an interview. 69 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: She's basically alleging some crime against humanity has been committed 70 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: and it must stop immediately. Somebody must put their foot 71 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: down case, and that foot is her. 72 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 4: So she labeled the comment as demeaning and inappropriate, saying 73 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 4: it contributes to a hostile work environment and that she 74 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 4: wanted them to go to training. 75 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: Now what's great about this article is these counselors. They know, 76 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: they know what a dumpster fire this woman is. And 77 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: you can tell. Look, I've been around this long enough 78 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: to know when other politicians can smell blood into water, 79 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: because they got three of these people, I think on 80 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: the record in this story talking of clapping back at 81 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: this mayor basically saying, do your job, stay out of 82 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: our way. You're being ridiculous, And I love every secondness. 83 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: And by the way, I would like to to these 84 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: people because they're named in the article, Adam Ausen, Matthew Snyder, 85 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: and Ryan Locke, I think is the third council member. 86 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: I would like to offer them unlimited time on this 87 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: program so they. 88 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: Can what defend saying all the. 89 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: No dump all over the mayor. Okay, if you want 90 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: twenty minutes, you got it. If you want an hour, 91 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: you got it. If you want three hours, you got it. 92 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: Because I am all for this. I love that this 93 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: is coming out. I love that they're exposing this woman. 94 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: I love that they're pushing back. I'm team Councilmember all 95 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: the way on this because Sue Finkham is a dirty, dirty, 96 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: rotten politician and I don't like her for a second. 97 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: When you go in front of these senators and you 98 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: act like some horrible thing is going to happen if 99 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: people get a few hundred dollars of property tax relief, 100 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: you have no business being in charge of any portion 101 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: of humanity or society. Certainly a wonderful place to live, 102 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: like the city of Carmel, and I'm glad she's getting exposed. 103 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 4: So the interesting thing about this is they're all Republicans. 104 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 4: They're arguing like siblings over the auxiliary court on a 105 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 4: road trip, right, And in the meantime, the residents of Carmel. 106 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 4: What do they want? They want their Chris Kindall market. 107 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 4: They want safety, they want smooth roads, they want beautiful roundabouts. 108 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 4: And Suefincolm is in charge of what a two hundred 109 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 4: and thirty ish million dollar budget. 110 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: And this is what she's spending her time on. There 111 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: you go, Look if if okay, Casey, now, I'm not 112 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: going to report you to get spicy, Well, I'm not 113 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: going to report you to HR. I'm not gonna let 114 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: this go any further than just us having this conversation here. 115 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: You did tell me a week or so ago that 116 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: I looked very cute. 117 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 2: I did. 118 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 4: We were walking in the building at the same time 119 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 4: and you turned around and I said, oh hey, and 120 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: you said hey, and I said, oh. 121 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: You look cute today. 122 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: Now I'm a is that highly inappropriate? Well, I'm a 123 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: very happily married day. 124 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: Nothing compared to what has been said. 125 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: Oh, women have said way way more intense things then 126 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: I looked cute. And look, it just comes with this 127 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: general assemblate, right. I mean, I've let's let's face it, 128 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: quite frankly, I've got a lot to offer. I mean, 129 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: not only am I just a beautiful human, but I 130 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: also have a very powerful radio show, an incredibly pleasant demeanor, 131 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: and other variables that I can't mention on this family 132 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: oriented program. Sure, but what I'm saying is, I said, thanks, Casey, 133 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: that was very nice of you. I didn't make a 134 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: federal case out of it. I didn't report you to HR. 135 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: I didn't go to a manager. You were just stating 136 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: the obvious. I looked really good that day. You were 137 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: all at all. This guy said, was one of these 138 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: employees got all dolled up for a TV interview? 139 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: He said it was a gender neutral compliment. 140 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I would have no problem telling producer Carl Carl, 141 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: you got all dolled up for Tony Katz show today. Like, 142 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't think Carl would be reporting me to HR 143 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: if I said that. And you're like you said, you're 144 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: in charge of what hundreds of employees, hundreds of millions 145 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: of dollars of an annual budget. You've got billions of 146 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: dollars of economic development. You're fast approaching it on Indianapolis 147 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: to be the crown jewel of the entire state in 148 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: many cases, and this is what you're spending your time on. 149 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: Now there's some and we'll get into this here in 150 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: a little bit, because we have a Carmel resident who's 151 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: going to come in and he's not very happy about 152 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: this either. There's more to this story because they go 153 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: into the city Council wants some of these invoices for 154 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: legal bills related to this Chris Kendall market that they're 155 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: not able to get. This is a really big thing 156 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: and any anything that will pull the veil back on 157 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: Sue Finkham, the mayor of Carmel. I'm all for it, 158 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: and I'm team those people. 159 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 4: So is this a distraction a deflection? Some counselors are 160 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 4: describing this as manufactured drama. The real question is what 161 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 4: is the mayor's motive here? Is there something really here 162 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 4: or is she just trying to direct your attention elsewhere? 163 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: And look, I'd be very remiss. We would invite the 164 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: mayor on as well if she'd liked to interested in 165 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: hearing her side. Now, I can't recant the things I 166 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: previously just said, so I'm not saying it'd be a 167 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: fair interview, but we would be willing if she wanted 168 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: to to tell her side of the story. Where are 169 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: you at on all this? Like if some guy, I mean, 170 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: he's it's not like he's an immediate supervisor. I mean, 171 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: he is an elected official. But it wasn't like he 172 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: was making a comment about a body part, or it 173 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: wasn't like he was sending nude photographs or asking her 174 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: out on a date, or I mean, like, come on, 175 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: aren't we all adults here? Can't we handle that? 176 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 4: Would you have said that to a male counterpart, if 177 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 4: the employee was a mail would you have said you 178 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 4: look all dull? 179 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: I think I've told Kevin before he looked like a 180 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: million damn dollars? Like you might use a different phraseology, 181 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: but you're saying the same thing. I mean, like, keV, 182 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: would you report? Have you ever reported me to HR 183 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: for saying you look like a million damn dollars? You think? 184 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: I don't think I did. It's it for you, don't 185 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: come for you, buddy. Oh, I mean, this is ridiculous. 186 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: This is why our governments are in the shape they're in. 187 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 1: It's why our societies in the shape are in. It's 188 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: why are we I mean, these are the people running 189 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: like this is their focus. She's lecturing these council members 190 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: about their etiquette. When I saw the headline, I was like, 191 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, there's probably like this guy probably you know, 192 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: went all Brett farre on this employee or something, and 193 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: it's not even clinic that close to that. 194 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: I think it really goes down to the employee. 195 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 4: You have to consider how she was feeling in the 196 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 4: moment and is Sue fink I'm trying to protect her employees? 197 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: Is there more there? Is there something more nefarious? Is 198 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 2: it deeper? Is it more than just this one comment? 199 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: Or was that it? Mayor's blown this out of proportion? 200 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: And why is she doing that? 201 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you got more, I mean, this is a 202 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: big article, right, they clearly knew this was coming out. 203 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: You would think, I mean, she looks horrible in this article. 204 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: You would think if she had some smoking gun of 205 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: this mass inappropriate behavior, like some of the things we've 206 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: alluded to, she would have thrown that out there as well. 207 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: Part of this, right, like, we're not going to tolerate this. 208 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: This is wholly inappropriate. The best you can do is say, 209 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: somebody got all dalled up for a TV interview. That's 210 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: what you got. That's your smoking gun, that warrants an email. 211 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: I get out of here.