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Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel Do you believe these characters are weirdos?

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Speaker 2: Can e everybody? Ay? My name is Nigel, the gun

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Speaker 2: guy guy Ralford filling in for Jason Hammer, also live

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Speaker 2: in studio, WIBAC news director John Herrick talking about the

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Speaker 2: biggest story in Indy. It's getting obviously national attention, but

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Speaker 2: I think that this is still probably the biggest story

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Speaker 2: in Indie. The Mark Sanchez story, the Fox broadcast reformer

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Speaker 2: quarterback for USC and probably most famously known for the

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Speaker 2: butt fumble blooper the New York Jets. But he was

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Speaker 2: in town to call the Colts game for Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: and wound up getting stabbed and also arrested. You have

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Speaker 2: been covering this extensively, Ryan Hendrick from the WIBC newsroom

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Speaker 2: has been covering this extensively. Can you just maybe there's

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Speaker 2: some things I'm still not clear on. Can you maybe

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Speaker 2: just start at the beginning?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 4: So, the very first report sort of a stabbing, came

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Speaker 4: in around twelve thirty in the morning on Saturday. So

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Speaker 4: all throughout the morning on Saturday, Jared Lewis was our

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Speaker 4: Saturday anchor, was reporting about the stabbing, but IMPD had

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Speaker 4: not released anything about who had been stabbed, Yes, and

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Speaker 4: then it comes out with TMZ that it was Mark Sanchez.

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Speaker 4: So we're feverishly calling IMPD, doing everything we can to

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Speaker 4: get some documentation that it was in fact him. They

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Speaker 4: don't release the identity of people involved unless they've arrested

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Speaker 4: them or unless the person has died, so they didn't

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Speaker 4: put out a statement saying that we are our thoughts

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Speaker 4: and prayers are with Mark Sanchez. We are we appreciative

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Speaker 4: of the fact that he is getting exceptional care, and

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Speaker 4: at that point we knew it was indeed Mark Sanchez.

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Speaker 4: And then of course it involved, it involved into more

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Speaker 4: of the probable cause affidavit comes out and says that

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Speaker 4: he gets into a scuffle with this truck driver.

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Speaker 2: They had a dispute, a sixty nine year old truck drive.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, who was just I guess there to make

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Speaker 4: I think on Washington Street and Senate And so what

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Speaker 4: the report says is that Mark Sanchez was in this

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Speaker 4: was sounds like he was doing some sort of checked up. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I guess, and he tells this driver that you can't

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Speaker 4: do you work here? And he's like no, but he's like,

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Speaker 4: you know, words got had and then they're involved in

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Speaker 4: some sort of scuffle and Mark Sanchez gets stabbed and

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Speaker 4: then a nearby bartender helps Mark Sanchez get to the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, so where did he So did Mark

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Speaker 2: Sanchez get in a guy's truck at one point? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the guy, the worker guy, the sixty nine year old

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Speaker 2: pepper sprayed him, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so there was what the what the probable cause

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Speaker 4: affter David says is that he entered the truck for

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Speaker 4: some reason, got into it with this guy, and then

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Speaker 4: that guy had to said he had to pepper spray

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Speaker 4: him and then stab him in self defense because he.

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Speaker 2: He stabbed him in the truck.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 5: One of the criminal charges, by the way, is unlawfully

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Speaker 4: Yes, so he's facing and then the result the update

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Speaker 4: battery involving serious bodily injury.

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Speaker 2: That was the press conference with IMPD Chief Bailey and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and now he's still now. Some people have asked,

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Speaker 4: He's facing both. He's facing this felony charge on top

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Speaker 4: of the misdemeanor charges for a.

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Speaker 2: How so Sanchez was stabbed in self defense with this

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Speaker 2: guy's knife. Have you seen the pictures of the victim? Yes?

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Speaker 2: I have. Do we know how he was injured? Exactly?

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Speaker 2: I So like that's the one I'm confused. Did Sanchez

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Speaker 2: take his knife and put that big gash in his

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Speaker 4: The accusation is that that's what happened, and that he

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Speaker 2: Dude, Well, allegedly Sanchez ft that guy. Yeah, yes, and

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Speaker 2: it looks like he took a knife to his jawline.

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Speaker 4: I don't know of what the I'm not exactly sure

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Speaker 4: I said, how is he only getting misdemeanor charges? And

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Speaker 5: And by the way, battery with a deadly weapon is

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Speaker 5: a separate level five felony that he has not been

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Speaker 5: charged with. The Sanchez has not been charged with.

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Speaker 2: So deadly weapon, yes, and he's not been charged, but.

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Speaker 5: He's not been charged with so. And there is one

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Speaker 5: reference in the probable cause affidavit that John mentioned that

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Speaker 5: the Sanchez threw this guy up against a dumpster, That's

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Speaker 5: what I was saying, and that that could easily you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm speculating obviously, but that could have caused a gash

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Speaker 5: would ask you, John, is what do you think sort

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Speaker 5: of a way this story morphed dramatically from the time

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Speaker 5: and there are still facts to come out. For instance,

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Speaker 5: you know a lot of conflicting reports, a lot of

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Speaker 5: on my Facebook page saying your original post on this

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Speaker 5: TMZ report that had a statement from Fox News and

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Speaker 5: said horrible look for Indy, which it is. I don't

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Speaker 5: care who's at fault. You know, a guy like this

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Speaker 5: getting stabbing downtown Indy, he's not a good look for Indy.

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Speaker 5: I said, horrible look for Indy. Prayers for his rapid recovery.

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Speaker 5: That's all I said. I had plenty fingers. I didn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I bragged on on the WWC newsroom, by the way,

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Speaker 5: it right. You were quick, but you were accurate. But

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Speaker 5: I just want to know what you think about how

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Speaker 5: this story kind of morphed, if there are any lessons

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Speaker 4: I just think the biggest thing you have to do

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Speaker 4: And when when Jason Hammer, our colleague, let me know

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Speaker 4: kind of didn't I wasn't really critical of people in

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Speaker 2: And you also need to you sort.

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Speaker 4: Of need to work with police there, because the police

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Speaker 4: with the attorneys. So I just think, I think you

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Speaker 4: I think there's where there's where a few people that

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Speaker 4: did that. I get that, I understand that, but that's

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Speaker 5: I agreed complete with all that. And it's particularly true

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Speaker 5: when it comes to assigning blame. Yes, right, because a

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Speaker 5: lot of people went out there and immediately started pointing fingers.

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Speaker 5: I said, this is a bad look for Indy because

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Speaker 5: Mark Sanchez getting stabbing bound downtown Indy is a bad

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Speaker 5: look for Indy. I don't care who's at fault. But

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Speaker 5: when you start saying and it's so and so's fault,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what okay, So guy, you're a criminal defense attorney,

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Speaker 2: albeit your your specialty is Second Amendment self defense, though,

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Speaker 5: This could be and I've had a ton of self defense.

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Speaker 5: Batteryk battery with a deadly weapon, aggravated battery, we call

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Speaker 2: What kind of I mean, just up to off the

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Speaker 2: don't know everything that happened, what kind of time are

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Speaker 2: we looking at, if any? Well, for the kinds of charges.

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Speaker 5: Investigations can go on for quite some time. Charges can

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Speaker 5: quote unquote not cooperating at the scene, which is which

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen John correct me if I'm wrong. I

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Speaker 5: haven't seen that that Sanchez has made a statement yet.

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Speaker 2: Well, something about he grabbed the window and he didn't

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Speaker 4: Bar owner that he told the police that, or I

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Speaker 4: think he said he grabbed the window and that's all

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Speaker 4: Hedrick today looked up Mark Sanchez's cell phone numb and

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Speaker 4: Ryan said, that's Ryan Hendrick from WYBC, and then then

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Speaker 4: that person just grunted and hung up. So that could

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Speaker 4: He's probably gonna let his attorneys handle it, but we

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Speaker 4: thought we'd just do that and that's great work by Rise.

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Speaker 2: Great work, gentlemen, Thank you Matt Bare what's going on

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Speaker 2: And first of all, what is Frontline and tell me

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Speaker 2: So maybe mention some specifics here, what is there are

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so really this this fundraiser is to help fund

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Speaker 6: You know, I can't identify one specific need, but I

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Speaker 2: Hey, Dan, God bless you man. Dane Nutty, President and

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Speaker 2: It's a Hammer and Nigel show.

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Speaker 1: This Monday Gun Day with the gun just watch up

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Speaker 5: Get stop calling your arms gun show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is perfect. My name is Nigel Guy. Rufford

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Speaker 5: Ryan Meers, Marrionkenny prosecutor, gave a press conference. They ran

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Speaker 5: asking some answering, some questions.

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Speaker 2: They upgraded Sanchez's charges to level five felony based on

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Speaker 2: the fact that the victim now incurred they say serious

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Speaker 2: body of the injury and battery with a bodily injuries

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Speaker 2: level five felony.

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Speaker 5: So they announced that, and they were answering other questions

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Speaker 5: and uh, Russ mcquaidon.

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Speaker 2: He went to sarcastically called you a to a scholar,

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Speaker 2: a scholar?

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Speaker 5: That was it? That was it a hearing? Well, he

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Speaker 5: was referencing a hearing where I testified in favorable Pro

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Speaker 5: two a bill in the legislature. But he and I

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Speaker 5: have kind of been going at it since then, but

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Speaker 5: I should have known. And by the way, he covered

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Speaker 5: the constitutional carry legislation extensively when we were trying to

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Speaker 5: get that passed. And that's the context where he sarcastically

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Speaker 5: called me a scholar, which, by the way, a member

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Speaker 5: of the Democrat on the committee had actually called me

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Speaker 5: that sincerely and asked me a legitimate question. Anyway, Russ,

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Speaker 5: he used to be good. I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 2: I just think he's a good reporter. I think he's

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Speaker 2: a good investigative reporter. But on this thing that that

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Speaker 2: he does on his well out in the open of

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Speaker 2: these press conferences and the stuff that he puts on Facebook. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll go back and imagine letting my my,

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Speaker 2: my unbiased reporters put the stuff that he does on Facebook.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, and he's he's but he's just so biased

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Speaker 5: against the Second Amendment. I mean, he called the hero

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Speaker 5: of the Greenwood Park mall shooting, my client Eli Dickon,

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Speaker 5: called him the second shooter at at the mall shooting.

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Speaker 5: But in that context, by the way, I think he's

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Speaker 5: still mad that constitutional carry passed when it did in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, because here's what he asked Ryan Mears

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Speaker 5: and and Chief Bailey, considering Indiana is a constitutional carry state,

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Speaker 5: how lucky are we that somebody's not dead of a

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Speaker 5: gunshot wound. Now this is in the context of a

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Speaker 5: stabbing that was allegedly self defense.

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Speaker 2: Can you hear me rolling my eyes through the radio.

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Speaker 5: But there was no shooting, There was no shooting, gun

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Speaker 5: wasn't involved, much less constitutional carry. Well, aren't we just

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Speaker 5: lucky that given this horrific law we have in this state?

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Speaker 5: And to Ryan Meer's credit, when he answers the question,

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Speaker 5: he says, you know, what as we've looked at the

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Speaker 5: numbers over the years, the number of cases that we've screened.

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Speaker 5: We we look at that through the lens of self defense,

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Speaker 5: and that number has gone up because there are more

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Speaker 5: people armed and protecting themselves.

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Speaker 10: Said that.

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Speaker 5: Meer said that. Uh, and he said, which is a

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Speaker 5: right that they have? So there you go, said that. Well,

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Speaker 5: I'm just reading the transcript, but he's saying, they're saying

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Speaker 5: that they're they're there. They have to be screened by

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Speaker 5: the prospect. You know, I shouldn't attribute that because I

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Speaker 5: actually don't know that could have been that could have

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Speaker 5: been Chief Bailey to your point. But but but how

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Speaker 5: bither way question? How lucky are we that no one

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Speaker 5: shot given constitutional carry?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Please?

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Speaker 2: And I and I said, is that question? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: But I said when it was when it was passed.

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Speaker 5: When we passed constitutional carry in twenty twenty two, I said,

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Speaker 5: get ready because for the foreseeable future, constitutional cary is

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Speaker 5: going to get blamed for everything. I mean, from somebody

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Speaker 5: spitting on the sidewalk to you know, who knows what,

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Speaker 5: and here you go, you've got a stabbing downtown and

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Speaker 5: Russell Rush mcquad still wants to blame it on constitutional character.

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Speaker 2: Well, Democrats are always I can only assume Russ McQuaid

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Speaker 2: is a Democrat, and what he posts on his personal

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Speaker 2: Facebook pages, yeah, is pretty evident. And he hates the

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Speaker 2: two He hates the Second Amendment, he hates the gun laws,

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Speaker 2: he hates constitutional character carry. But it just seems like

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Speaker 2: in general, Democrats are always saying the American public wants

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Speaker 2: stricter gun laws. They want it the American public. The

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Speaker 2: Democrats seem to have the pulse of the American public

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Speaker 2: when it comes to guns. However, Reuter's poll says otherwise.

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Speaker 5: Right now, we just had a Reuter's poll, and I

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Speaker 5: think correct me if you disagree, Nige, But I think

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Speaker 5: Ruters is seen as pretty, you know, straight down the

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Speaker 5: middle of the fairway. I don't know that they have

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Speaker 5: a leaning left or right.

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Speaker 2: I would probably think they lean more left, but that

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Speaker 2: we can have another discussion about that.

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Speaker 5: But they ran a poll and turns out the majority

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Speaker 5: of Americans, by a margin of four percent, actually a

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Speaker 5: majority like our gun laws today and are not in

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Speaker 5: favor of strict or control. And then it went on

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Speaker 5: to say that they prefer by a significant majority, they

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Speaker 5: preferred Republicans approach to gun laws over Democrats in terms

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Speaker 5: of political platforms. So you know, we always hear democrats

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Speaker 5: to your point saying, oh, you know, we're on the

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Speaker 5: side of the American public on this. We need to

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Speaker 5: ban this type of weapon, or we need this restriction

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Speaker 5: or pass this other law. And turns out a national

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Speaker 5: poll done by Reuters just came out and refute that directly.

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Speaker 2: Can you stick around? Well, of course you're going to

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Speaker 2: stick around for a second segment because you're filling in

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Speaker 2: for a hammer. But we have I want to ask

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Speaker 2: you about the Skotis case. I want to ask you

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Speaker 2: about if the government shut down is affecting gun owners.

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Speaker 2: Right back with Guy Railford here on Monday, Gun Day

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Speaker 2: ninety three WIBC quote unquote government shut down. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: I can't believe you're here, you're functioning. How are we

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Speaker 2: still able to move about? But I did start thinking

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Speaker 2: about does the government shut down affect gun owners? I mean,

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Speaker 2: can you still can you still buy a gun because

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Speaker 2: of that? The background check system.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a twofold answer to that. Note. The National

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Speaker 5: Instant Criminal Background Check System, which we abbreviate is NIX.

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Speaker 5: That's what's used it's run by the FBI out of

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Speaker 5: West Virginia. If you just go into a gun store

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Speaker 5: and want to buy your typical rifle, shotgun, pistol, they

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Speaker 5: do a background check and an instant background check on

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Speaker 5: you before they let you leave with that gun. Through NIX.

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Speaker 5: NIX is still up and running. It's been deemed to

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Speaker 5: be essential performing a quote unquote critical function. So NIX

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Speaker 5: is running. You want to go to your local gun

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Speaker 5: store buy a gun past the background check, you can

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Speaker 5: still do that if you want to transfer an NFA item.

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Speaker 5: By that, I mean something regulated by the National Firearms Act.

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Speaker 5: This is what regulates suppress what some people call silencers

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Speaker 5: or short broiled rifles or machine guns, short brailed shotguns,

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Speaker 5: a couple other categories. The processing by ATF of NFA

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Speaker 5: applications to transfer, because you have to register those unlike

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Speaker 5: a typical firearm, and that's a separate process that's done

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Speaker 5: by ATF. That ATF branch is shut down during the

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Speaker 5: government shutdown, so you're not gonna be able to transfer.

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Speaker 5: And AHTF had gotten quick. Last couple of suppressors I

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Speaker 5: bought were like three days or less. I mean they

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Speaker 5: were fast compared to years ago. It used to be

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Speaker 5: months and months and months, but not right now because

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Speaker 5: they're just not processing in either going to get a

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Speaker 5: big backlog, I would assume, and then there will be

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Speaker 5: slow for a bit of time. So folks need to

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Speaker 5: understand that.

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Speaker 2: Two minutes new Supreme Court case. Can you explain the

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Speaker 2: law in Indiana and what this is all about.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, this is a case. It's Wolford versus Lopez,

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Speaker 5: I believe, and it's out of Hawaii and on the

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Speaker 5: heels of the Bruin decision, the Supreme Court case that says, yes,

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Speaker 5: you have a right to carry a handgun, much to

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Speaker 5: Russ mcwade's consternation, you have a right to carry a

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Speaker 5: handgun in public for self defense. And what a lot

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Speaker 5: of states did, including Hawaii's, they ran out and they

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Speaker 5: declared a bunch of places sensitive areas because the Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court said, well, we're not saying that there's a right

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Speaker 5: to carry everywhere, like in certain sensitive places like schools.

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Speaker 5: So states took that language and seized on that and said, well, basically,

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Speaker 5: every damn place is a quote unquote sensitive area where

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Speaker 5: we're going to prohibit firearms. And what Hawaii did is

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Speaker 5: they passed a law that said, unless a business owner

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Speaker 5: has given you express permission to carry a gun on

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Speaker 5: their premises, it's against Hawaii law. You go to prison

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Speaker 5: for carrying a gun there unless you have I'm not

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Speaker 5: talking about people who haven't prohibited it. I'm talking about

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Speaker 5: prior express approval for you to carry a gun there.

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Speaker 5: Then that's illegal in Hawaii, and of course that's going

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Speaker 5: to apply to most places. So Scotus has taken that case,

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Speaker 5: and I'm thrilled to see it because I think it's

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Speaker 5: going to further define after the Brewin decision in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty two or so.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you had to predict what's that,

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Speaker 2: If you had to predict, where's it going.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I think they're going to overturn Hawaii's law. It

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Speaker 5: matters to me, though, how broad the ruling is. Are

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Speaker 5: they just going to say this prior express approval requirement

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Speaker 5: is going or are they're going to further define the

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Speaker 5: right to carry you and limit state's ability to just

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Speaker 5: label everywhere a sensitive area, to really whittle away at

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Speaker 5: the impact of the Brewin decision and the impact of

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Speaker 5: the Second Amendment. So I think we're going to get

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Speaker 5: a positive decision out of it. I'm just really curious

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Speaker 5: how broad it's going to be.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we've got deleted tweets from high level local

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Speaker 2: government officials regarding as the Sanchez thing, but the response

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Speaker 2: was pretty good. I like the response. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to do and ask the gun Guy's

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Speaker 2: segment or two where people can call in and ask.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've got a two way scholar sitting right

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Speaker 2: in front of me, according to the restame Second Amendment attorney,

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Speaker 2: licensed firearms instructor. Why don't we plan on doing ask

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Speaker 2: the gun guy at four point thirty? When to do that?

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Speaker 2: Is that a good time? Let's pee it up and

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Speaker 2: we'll get you to the very latest on what happened

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Speaker 2: over the weekend with Fox broadcaster Mark Sanchez, the stabbing,

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Speaker 2: the arrest and everything in between. My name is Nigel,

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Speaker 2: Guy Hammer is out, Guy Relford filling in, and we

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Speaker 2: will be right back. It's the Hammer, Hammer and Nigel.

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Speaker 6: Do you believe these characters are weirdos?

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Speaker 2: Find name is Nigel, Jason Hamer is gone, the gun Guy,

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Speaker 2: Guy Relford, Licensed Firearms Instructor two A attorney sitting in

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Speaker 2: his place, couldn't think of a better time to have

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Speaker 2: you in as you were a criminal defense attorney. And

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Speaker 2: what happened with a former football player and football announcer

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Speaker 2: Mark Sanchez over the weekend and the sixty nine year

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Speaker 2: old man that he allegedly at act one would fall

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Speaker 2: under the category of self defense because Mark Sanchez was

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Speaker 2: stabbed several times, and but but he was being very

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Speaker 2: aggressive with this guy. I mean, we all know the story.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to go through it right now, but

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Speaker 2: there were some people that got it wrong. Initially. There

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Speaker 2: were some people that thought, well, Indianapolis, look in Adananapolis.

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Speaker 2: I think is still could be a dangerous place at night.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be totally out of the realm of possibility

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Speaker 2: that a crazy guy stabbed Mark Sanchez as he was

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Speaker 2: coming out of his hotel or something like that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I'm sorry ahead, So no.

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Speaker 2: I was just saying, so when we finally find out

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Speaker 2: that it was oh wait, he was the victim and

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Speaker 2: the aggressor here, that was confusing to a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of erroneous tweets and information flying about.

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Speaker 5: Exactly what happened. And you know, I I reposted this

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Speaker 5: the the article put out by TMZ that included a

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Speaker 5: statement from Fox Sports Sanchez's employer that said he'd been

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Speaker 5: stabbed in downtown Indianapolis. And I reposted that and I said,

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Speaker 5: for instance, this is a horrible look for Indy. And

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Speaker 5: I didn't attribute fault to anyone. I just said, if

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Speaker 5: somebody who's nationally known comes to Indy and gets stabbed. Now,

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Speaker 5: a lot of people, from the initial reports took from

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Speaker 5: the reported facts mark Sanchez is stabbed in Indianapolis an

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Speaker 5: inference that is, for instance, a victim and a robbery,

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Speaker 5: and a lot of people assumed that, and a lot

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Speaker 5: of people published that. A lot of people tweeted with

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Speaker 5: that as the inference.

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Speaker 2: Said anything about a robbery, any article that was I know, but.

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Speaker 5: You started seeing that in people's tweets and whatnot, because

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Speaker 5: people were just drawing an inference that the facts, as

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Speaker 5: reporter didn't necessarily support. So I think some people jumped

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Speaker 5: the gun in reporting things as fact or drawing conclusions

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Speaker 5: from reported facts that weren't yet warranted. And I think

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Speaker 5: that's a lesson. That's why, again I really applaud the

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Speaker 5: way the WBC newsroom, under John Herock's direction, approached this

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Speaker 5: whole issue, because when you read what they put out,

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Speaker 5: they were putting out only the facts, just the facts,

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Speaker 5: what had been established and then updated as necessary, especially

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Speaker 5: when IMPD started releasing more detailed information, including the probable

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Speaker 5: cause affidavit that was filed in court.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Rob Kendall had it right when he

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Speaker 2: said that Governor Braun should not have deleted his initial

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Speaker 2: tweet about the situation, which was I've been clear. City

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Speaker 2: leaders must do their jobs and hold criminals accountable. When

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Speaker 2: Indianapolis headlines national news for a lack of public safety,

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Speaker 2: it hurts our city in state. Hoosiers deserved better. Praying

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Speaker 2: for a full recovery from Mark Sanchez. Now, obviously he

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Speaker 2: didn't know all the facts there at the point, Mark

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Speaker 2: Sanchez was allegedly the aggressor. Even though he was stabbed,

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Speaker 2: he was arrested. So he deleted that tweet, which gave

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Speaker 2: Ryan Meres, the prosecutor, who hasn't tweeted it's twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: Is that right? I did not know that, Oh, Ryan Meres,

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Speaker 2: the prosecutor, who just who there was a guy? I

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Speaker 2: mean it made national headlines about the guy with it

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Speaker 2: was arrested ninety nine times, and on the ninety ninth

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Speaker 2: or one hundredth time, he stabbed a guy at gas

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Speaker 2: station here locally recently, and all of a sudden, Ryan Meres,

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Speaker 2: Billy badass responds to Governor Braun. The governor attempted to

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Speaker 2: exploit senseless violence for political gain without knowing any facts.

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Speaker 2: The truth didn't fit his narrative, and he deleted his tweet.

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Speaker 2: Real leadership requires a basic understanding of facts and a

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Speaker 2: desire to do more than just blame others. Which, look,

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Speaker 2: he saw his chance and he took it. And it

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Speaker 2: was kind of an l See like if Governor Braun

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Speaker 2: just would have said, hey, look, I'm not deleting the tweet.

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Speaker 2: I still think there is some real problems with crime

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Speaker 2: here in Indy. And by the way, you just you

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Speaker 2: just put a guy in jail who you've let go

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Speaker 2: ninety nine times for stabbing. Braun did respond with quote, Wow,

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Speaker 2: if one deleted tweet finally gets Ryan Mears to start

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Speaker 2: paying attention to the violent crime epidemic in our capital city,

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Speaker 2: putting violent criminals behind bars and keeping Indianapolis safe, and

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Speaker 2: I will start deleting more tweets, which I thought was

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Speaker 2: really clever. Yeah, funny.

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Speaker 5: It was a pretty good comeback because with him having

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Speaker 5: deleted the tweet, he was I think, not looking real good,

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Speaker 5: and Mears took a deliberate and perhaps a reasonable shot back.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know reasonable well, because merrors again, the

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Speaker 2: nine just one of many, many, many, many, many, many,

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Speaker 2: many examples of a guy that has been in jail

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Speaker 2: ninety nine times, arrested and then stabbed. Many of those,

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Speaker 2: many of those prety arrests violent.

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Speaker 5: Well, two things can be true at the same time, right,

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Speaker 5: And it can be true that Governor Brown to the

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Speaker 5: extent that he was implying that Sanchez was an innocent

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Speaker 5: victim of violent crime in Indianapolis, then he was out

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Speaker 5: over his keys and he got that wrong and he

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Speaker 5: jumped the gun.

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Speaker 3: But to.

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Speaker 5: Say what he said, which is that we need to

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Speaker 5: do a better job of controlling violent crime in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 5: and city officials in particular needed to do a better

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Speaker 5: job of that is still a completely reasonable and truthful statement.

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Speaker 5: So two things can be true. At the same time,

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Speaker 5: he drew an assumption he shouldn't have drawn. At the

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Speaker 5: same time, we still do have a problem that needs

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Speaker 5: to be addressed.

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Speaker 2: So they had the press conference today Chief Bailey and

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Speaker 2: Prosecutor Bryan Meres for Mark Sanchez now facing you know,

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Speaker 2: former NFL quarterback played at USC. Yeah, big stud I

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Speaker 2: mean oh yeah, and then became kind of a joke

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Speaker 2: for the infamous butt fumble.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Blipper, that's still the number one blooper on

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Speaker 5: ESPN of all time. But no, his senior year at

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Speaker 5: USC led the nation in yards and touchdowns passing.

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Speaker 2: They know he's a uh he was gonna call the

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Speaker 2: Colts game. Yeah, yep, And this happened. And then they

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Speaker 2: called a press commence today to you know, up the charges.

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Speaker 2: What what does uh Ryan Meer say. I'm getting this

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Speaker 2: from WBC dot com. Ryan mere says he's upgrading Sanchez's

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Speaker 2: charges to a level five felony battery involving serious bodily injury.

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Speaker 2: This move is warranted because of the extent of the

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Speaker 2: victim's injuries. Is there a way you could put in?

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, no, And that makes perfect sense because

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Speaker 5: here's how the battery statute works. That defines that crime,

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Speaker 5: notge you know what battery is battery. I've said for

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Speaker 5: years battery is the easiest crime in the world for

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Speaker 5: any prosecutor ever prove you know what battery is. Battery

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Speaker 5: is touching someone, grab somebody. No, it's just touching someone

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Speaker 5: in a rude, angry or insolent manner. That's it. Like

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Speaker 5: if you're in my way and I go, dude, move

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Speaker 5: and I shove you, that's a battery. Now it's only

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Speaker 5: a class B misdemean I if you call the cops

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Speaker 5: and the cops come and they say, well, were you

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Speaker 5: injured when guy pushed you, and you said, well, no,

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Speaker 5: I don't have any marks or anything, and then then

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Speaker 5: they always ask did it hurt? Did you experience pain?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know it did hurt a little bit the

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Speaker 5: way he shoved me.

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Speaker 10: Ah.

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Speaker 5: Now it's battery with injury, which is a class A

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Speaker 5: misdemeter up from a Class B. If they if you said, oh, no,

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Speaker 5: I broke my wrist when I fell down after he

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Speaker 5: shoved me. Ah, now you've got battery with probably moderate

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Speaker 5: bodily injury, which goes up UH to uh a level

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Speaker 5: six felony. And if you say no, I fell down

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Speaker 5: and cracked my head open, or maybe a big slash

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Speaker 5: in the side of my face like this gentleman has

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Speaker 5: after the sansis incident, then that's battery with serious bodily injury,

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Speaker 5: which goes up to a level five felony, which is

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Speaker 5: more severe than a level six. So when he says

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Speaker 5: we upgraded it based on the extent of the injury,

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Speaker 5: that's because that's the way the battery statutes written. If

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Speaker 5: you just get hurt a little bit, it's still only

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Speaker 5: a misdemeanor. If you get moderate bodily injury goes up

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Speaker 5: with felony. If you get severe bodily injury goes up

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Speaker 5: to a more severe felony from there with a.

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Speaker 2: More possible severe outcome of punishment.

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Speaker 5: Six years is the maximum for a level five felony.

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Speaker 5: It's one to six years is the range for a

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Speaker 5: level five felon in prison.

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Speaker 2: Sanchez doing six years a year. I have no oils

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Speaker 2: and he's got that team. Oh yeah, and he hasn't

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Speaker 2: He hasn't done and I don't tell my now an

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Speaker 2: official police statement.

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Speaker 5: No, I haven't seen any kind of a statement from him.

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Speaker 5: And police said he wasn't cooperating quote unquote of the scene,

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Speaker 5: which tells me he clammed up, which isn't necessarily a

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Speaker 5: bad idea if you have the potential target of a

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Speaker 5: criminal investigation. But but yeah, no, if he doesn't have

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Speaker 5: any other criminal history, and I have no idea whether

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Speaker 5: he does or he doesn't. But let's say he's got

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Speaker 5: a totally clean record and he gets convicted of a

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Speaker 5: level five, he might do a little bit of jail

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Speaker 5: time like your weekend kind of a thing, or a

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Speaker 5: few days, but probably not.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to I won't play this piece of audio

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Speaker 2: before we get to med Bear. So obviously he was

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Speaker 2: here to call the Colts game with Fox. And who

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Speaker 2: replaced him, you know, Kurt who was Brady Quinn. Brady

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Speaker 2: Quinn uh replaced him. Here's how Fox kind of dealt

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Speaker 2: with Mark Sanchez's absence.

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Speaker 13: Man, Well, welcome you to Indianapolis, Cindiana, as the Las

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Speaker 13: Vegas Raiders visits the Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 13: and for tuning in on Chris Myers along with Brady

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Speaker 13: Quinn who is stepping in for Mark Sanchez. And obviously

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Speaker 13: we all want to send out our thoughts and prayers

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Speaker 13: to Mark and those involved in Friday's incident as we

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Speaker 13: get ready for today's game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think by then we all know, we all

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Speaker 2: knew had he had was there an arrest by then,

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Speaker 2: by the start, I think we all knew what it happened.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised they let him say anything. There's been some

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Speaker 2: incidents I've not personally been involved with, but been around

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Speaker 2: They're like, shut your mouth on this, don't say anything

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Speaker 2: on the air. Exactly exactly, Matt Bear, what's going on presents.

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Speaker 14: It depends upon what the meaning of the word is.

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Speaker 2: Is this anything by Indiana Unclaimed presented by the Attorney

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Speaker 2: General's Office Here in Indiana, the Attorney General's Office reuniting

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Speaker 2: hoosiers with over one million dollars in unclaimed property every

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Speaker 2: single week, fast easy, free to search at Indiana Unclaimed

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Speaker 2: dot gov. Guy, you have been the recipient of some

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Speaker 2: cash floating around out there from Indiana Unclaimed dot gov.

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Speaker 5: Right absolutely. In fact, I texted the Attorney General with

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Speaker 5: a picture of the check I got from Indiana Unclaimed

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Speaker 5: and said, this is all some thanks so much. I

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Speaker 5: got twenty five hundred bucks back from Indiana Unclaimed and

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Speaker 5: it was from it was primarily it was like four

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Speaker 5: or five old accounts. One of them was like an

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Speaker 5: account of checking account I opened when I was a kid,

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Speaker 5: like cutting grass and stuff. I would put money in

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Speaker 5: this and just a few dollars sat in that for

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Speaker 5: like literally like sixty years, fifty years, and it grew

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Speaker 5: into a decent amount of money. So yeah, I got

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Speaker 5: a check for fifteen hundred or twenty five hundred and

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Speaker 5: change from those guys. So it's it's real, and they'll

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Speaker 5: they'll get you a check if and it didn't cost

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Speaker 5: anything to check. You can just go on Indiana Unclaimed,

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Speaker 5: put in your name and it'll tell you if it's

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Speaker 5: got any money for you.

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Speaker 2: I'man in Colorado. Was stunned when he was charged nearly

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Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars that had done for Airport parking garage.

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Speaker 2: He was just there twenty seven minutes, which means the

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Speaker 2: fee should have been seven dollars. Here's Jim talking about

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Speaker 2: his experience.

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Speaker 15: After dropping off, my wife went through the parking gates

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Speaker 15: as usual. This was a second that I got. It

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Speaker 15: shows I entered the West Garage. I arrived at one

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Speaker 15: thirty four pm on October the second, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 15: As the gate was opening, I heard the Chase Bank

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Speaker 15: notification that nineteen eight hundred and twenty four dollars had

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Speaker 15: been charged to Denver Parking. Something alerted the systems I

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Speaker 15: had arrived.

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Speaker 2: It's good to stop it. There is this anything guy,

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Speaker 2: I mean, a glitch of the system obviously charges guy

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Speaker 2: nineteen thousand dollars depart there for twenty seven minutes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's especially something if they actually sucked nineteen thousand

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Speaker 5: and change out of his checking account, if he's like

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Speaker 5: using a debit card or put that on his credit card.

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Speaker 5: And it's even more something if the bank isn't really

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Speaker 5: fast and how they get that corrected. But you know,

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Speaker 5: you hear about this. You hear about people getting like

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Speaker 5: a gas bill or a water bill from hundred thousand

870
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 5: dollars or some insane thing. I think the more we

871
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 5: go to automated systems, the more the Ghost of the machine.

872
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: Gun said to you. Exactly it in Denver this past weekend.

873
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: If you're ever heard of an ultra runner race, you

874
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: know what that is?

875
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's fifty k right.

876
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty k thirty one miles. This one has a

877
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: little This one was different in Denver. It was called

878
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: the Taco Bell fifty K thirty one miles. Like you mentioned,

879
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: it includes mandatory stops at ten taco bells where you

880
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: have to order and consume Taco Bell. Here are a

881
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: couple of runners documenting their journey.

882
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 14: Brent Denver, We're at to talk about Hooty K and

883
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 14: we're going fall down. We're ready to go for the

884
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 14: second House Bell meetings.

885
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 16: Send him a question.

886
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 14: Mountains Cheezy roller Top six fifty Abrina Rode Pas twenty

887
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 14: rat the next talk of belt tec Rollo that has

888
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 14: been in my belt for the past five miles, Ma

889
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 14: thirty I talked about, Hi guy, is this anything.

890
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to me like thirty one mile race

891
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: involving Burrito Grande's every ten miles or a good idea.

892
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 5: This is shocking to me. I'm not I'm not big

893
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 5: on fast food. I haven't been to it. I haven't

894
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 5: been to a Taco Bell since college at three ages. No,

895
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 5: I just I don't do a lot of fast food

896
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 5: at all. But but but the idea of that, you know,

897
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 5: that kind of spicy food, and then you know all contemporaneously.

898
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 5: I mean, when I played football and whatnot, I didn't

899
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 5: like having anything in my stomach. I didn't need three

900
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 5: or four hours before a football game. I get a nice,

901
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 5: big breakfast in college, but then but then you know,

902
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 5: I didn't want anything in my stomach when I'm playing

903
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 5: football running thirty one miles with ten stops at Taco

904
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 5: bell I want to know how many portal uts they

905
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 5: had set up along the way of this thirty one miles.

906
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 5: I mean, and I know none of that sounds appealing

907
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 5: to me in any way.

908
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 2: You know what's funny, I'm going to be the last

909
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: two stories we had involve Denver, the city. I'm going

910
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: to be in that area at the end of this week,

911
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: and you know what it's happening there at the end

912
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: of this week that I'm not going to be a

913
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: part of. No what the Great American Beer Festival, the

914
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: nation's favorite beer festival. I don't know if it's a

915
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: it's kind of a cultural phenom. And going there with

916
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: the kids that were flying in the day that it starts,

917
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: but we're we're getting out the next day and going, man,

918
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: going out into the mountains.

919
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 5: My middle son.

920
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: I'm just just like, I'm like, I can't believe I'm

921
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: going to miss this, yeh. And I'm going to be

922
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: right there.

923
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I guarantee you there's going to be someone

924
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 5: named Ralford there because CJ. My son who's a school

925
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 5: teacher in Denver on he likes a good beer, so

926
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 5: I imagine he'll be checking that out.

927
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: Okay, let's take calls three one seven, two nine nine

928
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: three nine three. We're going to do ask the gun guy.

929
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: You are a licensed firearms instructor. You are a Second

930
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: Amendment attorney. You are a criminal defense attorney. People might

931
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 2: have some what kind of questions might be ill ask

932
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: of you?

933
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 5: I mean just a lot of people know, yeah, how

934
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 5: the law of self defense works, things about where you

935
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 5: can and can't carry a gun. They may have questions

936
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 5: about how the Indiana self defense law works in the

937
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 5: context of the Mark Sanchez yes issue, but anything gun related.

938
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 16: Uh.

939
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 5: You want a recommendation, you want some instruction, you want

940
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 5: some legal uh information, Just give us a call. Three

941
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 5: one seven, two three nine ninety three ninety three.

942
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: It's the Hammer and Nigel show Hammer and Nigel show Man.

943
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 2: My name is Guy Joel, Guy Ralford, the gun guy,

944
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: filling in for Jason Hammer. We the I mean, I

945
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: guess the phone banks are full. We're gonna do ask

946
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: the gun guy any two Way related questions and any

947
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: criminal law related questions. Two three nine nine three. I'll

948
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 2: let you take over, Bud.

949
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 5: Let's go right to the phone lines. And Andrew has

950
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 5: called Andrew, Welcome to Hammer and Nigel.

951
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: A gentleman.

952
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 15: How are you.

953
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: Hey?

954
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 11: You may or may not know the answer to this guy,

955
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 11: and if you don't, I kind of hope you can

956
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 11: put me in the right direction. I'm sure you're familiar

957
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 11: with the burner launchers.

958
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, So, by.

959
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 5: The way, for people who don't know, these things fire

960
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 5: what's essentially a pepper ball. It's a ball that has

961
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 5: some of the same components in it as oc spray

962
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 5: or mace, and it supposedly hit someone it bursts, and

963
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 5: then that can theoretically incapacitate people without actually using a

964
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 5: firearm that fires a solid projectile. You said, we said

965
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 5: that that's accurate.

966
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: Andrew, Yeah, that's that's accurate.

967
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 11: But my question is I have a relative. It's in

968
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 11: the military, and she has a stalker and protective orders.

969
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 11: Obviously you can just wipe your butt with those because

970
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 11: don't do anything. But with being on the military, she

971
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 11: cannot legally.

972
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 9: Carry a firearm on base.

973
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: Would she be able.

974
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 11: To carry one of those burner launchers since they're not

975
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 11: technically a lethal or I guess they're a less lethal option.

976
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would certainly call it less lethal. But you

977
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 5: know how broad that army regulation is, because I'm sure

978
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 5: it goes beyond firearms quote unquote, And whether that's such

979
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 5: a broad definition as to capture a burn a launcher,

980
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 5: I that I do not know. Now. The definition of

981
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 5: firearm is just a weapon that expels a projectible by

982
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 5: means of an explosion, and in my mind, compressed gas

983
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 5: can can constitute that. But we don't have any cases

984
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 5: of criminal cases out there that alleged, for instance, a

985
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 5: felon was in possession of a quote unquote firearm because

986
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 5: they had a pellet gun or an air rifle or

987
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 5: a burner. So I don't think it'd be interpreted that way.

988
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 5: But that military that military regulation may be much broader

989
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 5: than just firearms, Andrew, and that'd be the first thing

990
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 5: to check, which unfortunately I just don't know.

991
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 2: Andrew, is her stalker on base? Another? Is it another?

992
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: Or did we hang up on the Andrew, No, I'm

993
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: not here. Is her is her stalker on her base?

994
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 9: Yes?

995
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 3: And actually guy.

996
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 11: Her and it's just gone up the chain and they

997
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 11: really aren't doing anything, so we just.

998
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a huge yeah something, I'm sorry man.

999
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's a tough situation when up.

1000
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: On that that that I mean eight HR, you're commanding officer,

1001
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: I mean.

1002
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean I'd definitely be going up to

1003
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 5: chain of command. To the extent this person is also

1004
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 5: a member of the military, or even a civilian employee

1005
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 5: of the military, then her chain of command ought to

1006
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 5: be the first one to step in and protect her.

1007
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 5: So no, there's there's definitely some more layers that onion

1008
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 5: that need to be peeled. Go back to the phone lines,

1009
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 5: and Chuck is called Chuck, Welcome to hammer Nadel.

1010
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 8: That's kind of funny, Nigel says by h R.

1011
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, in the military.

1012
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 8: I thought he said that she had a restraining order already,

1013
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 8: so she's probably talked to a judge, right, yeah, it

1014
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 8: takes that's an issue of restraining order, so I would

1015
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 8: think that they've already risen above HR.

1016
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, did you have something force, Chuck?

1017
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 8: Yes, guy, I wanted to ask you a question about

1018
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 8: I wanted to ask you. You're probably gonna think I'm

1019
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 8: done for this one. What are the laws concerning protecting

1020
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 8: one's property? What they firearm? I thought I've heard you

1021
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 8: say in the past that you could not use a

1022
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 8: firearm to only protect your property, like for business owners

1023
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 8: when when the riots were going on and such. I

1024
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 8: would assume that that would go to the citizenry.

1025
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 5: Too, right, Yeah, and it's right in the statute. It's

1026
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 5: right in the self defense statute if you want to

1027
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 5: look it up. A's Indiana Co. Thirty five forty one,

1028
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 5: DESH three, Dish two and there's a sex out.

1029
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 8: Specifically. My question was, I had a couple of people

1030
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 8: that live locally, both have animals. Yeah no dog, Yeah, well,

1031
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 8: make dog jumped the other one's fence and that person

1032
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 8: then shot at the other person's dog and hit the dog,

1033
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 8: and the bullet went through the dog, and they were

1034
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 8: looking for the round that had gone off the foundation,

1035
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 8: so I know that it had gone through the dog.

1036
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 8: That dog survived, by the way. My question was, is

1037
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 8: that legal to actually use a gun in city limits

1038
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 8: to shoot in an animal? I mean that's property right.

1039
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 5: Well, you got two separate whole questions. One is you

1040
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 5: can never use deadly force against a person to merely

1041
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 5: to protect your personal property, So not talking about your

1042
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 5: home because that's the castle doctor And that's a whole

1043
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 5: different area of the law. But as far as your

1044
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 5: personal property, your business. Unfortunately, in Indiana, we've been trying

1045
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 5: to get this changed, but it's the way it currently reads.

1046
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 5: Your business is just your property, your car, or your

1047
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 5: wallet or your watch, and the statute is very clear

1048
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 5: you cannot use deadly force against a person merely to

1049
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 5: protect your property. Now, separate question. If I'm out walking

1050
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 5: and a dog attacks me, can I not defend myself

1051
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 5: against that dog. What's interesting is the self defense statute

1052
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 5: only talks about justifying force against people. There's no reference

1053
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,479
Speaker 5: to defending yourself against an aggressive animal in the self

1054
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 5: defense statute. Still, the way that's usually approached is you're

1055
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 5: not going to get charged for that unless local prosecutors

1056
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 5: think that you endangered a human by taking that shot,

1057
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 5: and I guarantee you. In the case you're talking about,

1058
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 5: they're looking for where the projectile ended up because they

1059
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 5: want to determine if it went in a direction where

1060
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 5: somebody was home, there were other people, there are people outside,

1061
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 5: whatever it might be to go, aha, you endangered another person.

1062
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 5: For instance, I've had multiple cases where guys are shooting

1063
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 5: out on their private property somewhere and around, escapes their

1064
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 5: property and ends up in the neighbor's siding of their house. Well,

1065
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 5: there's somebody home at the time, they're invariably going to

1066
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 5: get charged with criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon, which

1067
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 5: is a level six felony. And I've had multiple cases

1068
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 5: involving animals where somebody shoots at or shoots an aggressive dog,

1069
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 5: but there were kids playing in the area, or there

1070
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 5: was somebody home across the street, or somebody cutting their grass. Aha,

1071
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 5: you endangered that person by shooting at the aggressive animal,

1072
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 5: And it's very easy to get charged, not only charged,

1073
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 5: but charged with a felony in that situation.

1074
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: Else or did we want to take a break?

1075
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, you want to take a break, I'll tell you.

1076
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 5: We got somebody else calling in online one. We've got

1077
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 5: John and Kevin and Mark still on holds. We'll go

1078
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 5: right back to the phone lines.

1079
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: We got seventy five and clouds at the American Standard

1080
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: Cooling Weather Center ninety three WIBC. I'm Nigel Guy Ralford two,

1081
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: a attorney, licensed firearms instructor. We're in the middle of

1082
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: ask the gun guy and we have five minutes. Who's next?

1083
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 5: Let's go to John has been on hold for a while, John,

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Speaker 5: thanks for calling. Welcome to Himmer.

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Speaker 3: Nigel, Hey, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 16: Kind of a two part question, both of which have

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Speaker 16: to do with I'm a convicted telling I used to

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Speaker 16: do a lot of hunting when I was younger, and

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Speaker 16: now my son's at twelve years old and I want

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Speaker 16: to get him into hunting. I'm not about bow hunting,

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Speaker 16: but I don't know what restrictions there are if they're

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Speaker 16: already with going to a bow. I've heard about muzzle

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Speaker 16: loaders possibly, but I'll ever be able to own a firearm,

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Speaker 16: and my son, I don't know if there's any ways

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Speaker 16: to be able to get him where he can have

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Speaker 16: one outside of being an adult on his own.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's not a law that says you can't own

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Speaker 5: archery equipment as a convicted felon, depending on what level

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Speaker 5: fellon you might be, and we won't go into that

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Speaker 5: on the radio, but black powder, if you're a serious

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Speaker 5: violent fella in Indiana, that we still prohibit that. Otherwise,

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Speaker 5: the definition of an antique firearm, if a muzzleloader meets

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Speaker 5: the definition of antique, and it's a long definition, but

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Speaker 5: if you if it meets that explanation, then it's an

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Speaker 5: exception to the federal law that says you can't possess

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Speaker 5: a firearm with any felony conviction. But I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 5: if your conviction was long enough ago, if it was

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Speaker 5: over eight years ago, I'd look into expungement. Let's get

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00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 5: that sucker expunged off your record. If it's eligible. Not

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00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 5: all convictions are, but a lot are. We'll get that

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00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 5: expunged off your record and restore your right. So I'd

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Speaker 5: look at it in that order.

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Speaker 2: Is it bad? I always want to ask them what

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Speaker 2: their felonies were. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean I want

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Speaker 2: to know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I always worry we give their first name,

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00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 5: and then you know their employer might be listening or something.

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Speaker 5: I just get it sometimes I don't want to pry.

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Speaker 5: Let's go back to your phone lines. Mark has called Mark.

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Speaker 9: Welcome to Hammer and Nigel, guys, thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 5: Sure, I just have a quick question.

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Speaker 17: I attend a church that has a K through eight

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Speaker 17: school on the property. Yeah, a couple of days a

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Speaker 17: week they have an all school mass. Is there any

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Speaker 17: time I'm allowed to carry into church services, whether it

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Speaker 17: be on the weekend when school isn't in session, or

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Speaker 17: am I allowed to carry even on those days with

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Speaker 17: schools in session in the students are in the church.

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Speaker 5: Well, the good news is is we changed that law

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Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen and I was heavily involved in this.

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Speaker 5: I fought hard for this. And what that says is

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Speaker 5: that that now if you're attending a worship service or

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Speaker 5: religious ceremony, worship service or religious ceremony on school property,

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Speaker 5: because by having a school on the same property or

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Speaker 5: in the same building, it's all church. It's all school property.

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Speaker 5: Rather so it used to be before twenty nineteen if

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Speaker 5: a church was on the same property with the school,

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Speaker 5: you could never carry in the church. Even though there's

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Speaker 5: not a separate law that you can't carry in a church,

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Speaker 5: there's a law that you can't carry in a school.

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Speaker 5: So in twenty nineteen we said, now we change the law,

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Speaker 5: and it law now says if you're attending a worship

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Speaker 5: service or a religious ceremony in a house of worship,

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Speaker 5: then you can lawfully carry any firearm that if you're

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Speaker 5: otherwise able to lawfully carry. In other words, if you

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Speaker 5: have a license or you're carrying under constitutional carry, you

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Speaker 5: can now carry while you're attending a worship service or

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Speaker 5: a religious ceremony, or as an employee or volunteer performing

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Speaker 5: your duties for the house of worship. Employee, volunteer, or

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Speaker 5: attending a worship service in any house of worship, even

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Speaker 5: though it's on school property, you can now legally carry.

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Speaker 5: Let's go back. We've got about a minute. Yeah, go ahead,

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Speaker 5: it's good. One more. Greg has called Greg. Welcome to

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Speaker 5: himmer Nougel.

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Speaker 10: Hey, I appreciate you guys taking my call, and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've said a swick question. I kind of take you.

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Speaker 10: Backing off of two stone calls ago. I have a

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Speaker 10: selony over ten years ago, non violent, and I'm going

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Speaker 10: to get it expunged because we've had a couple of

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Speaker 10: cases where my wife and my son has gone to

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Speaker 10: Target on the south Side, like near Greenwood, and there

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Speaker 10: there was a potential child abductions my son and for

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Speaker 10: that to happen and for me to feel like I

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Speaker 10: can't protect him, it's really getting to me. So I'm

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Speaker 10: just trying to figure out the next steps of like,

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Speaker 10: once I get an expunge, how long does that process stage?

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Speaker 5: Well, as soon as it's as soon as the FBI

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Speaker 5: updates your national criminal history, which the state police actually

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Speaker 5: helps them do, and so it can be pretty darn

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Speaker 5: quick expungements, pretty quick process, usually within sixty days. Then

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Speaker 5: they update the national criminal histories and your rights are restored.

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Speaker 2: Hey, coming up next an update on the Mark Sanchez arrests.

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Speaker 2: A lawsuit has been filed. More on that in just

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Speaker 2: a few minutes. It's The Hammer and Nigel Show ninety

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Speaker 2: three WIBC, Hammer and Nigel.

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Speaker 15: Do you believe these characters are weirdo?

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Speaker 2: That's funny from Nigel the gun guy guy Ralford filling

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Speaker 2: in for a hammer. Why is it's firearms instructor to

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Speaker 2: a attorney. So the whole Mark Sanchez thing, uh, getting arrested,

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Speaker 2: attacking allegedly some guy in an alley driving a truck, stabbings,

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. The guy that he allegedly

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Speaker 2: attacked is now suing Mark Sanchez, who played at USC

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Speaker 2: was Jets quarterback most famous for his Blooper the butt fumble.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, so sports, Yeah, and now he's suing Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports and Mark Sanchez quote, he knew the news giant

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports knew or should have known about Sanchez's unfit

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Speaker 2: as an employee, propensity for drinking and for harmful conduct.

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Speaker 2: So the Indie Star they put this out, they put

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Speaker 2: this story out, but they used the wrongs. They used wrong. Picture.

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Speaker 2: It's not Mark Sanchez, it's it's their other it's there.

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Speaker 2: It's David Pollock, another football analyst.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, instead of a football instead of a quarterback from

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Speaker 5: the USC they they they posted a picture of the

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Speaker 5: linebacker from Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think he. I think he played a couple of

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Speaker 2: years professionally and for the Bengals. And it's just like,

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Speaker 2: come on, man, come on here. But again, before we

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Speaker 2: get to Ryan Hendrick, who from the WBC newsroom has

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Speaker 2: been all over this the the update is the man

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Speaker 2: allegedly attacked by Mark Sanchez suing Fox Corps, Fox Corb

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Speaker 2: and Sanchez quote new or should have known about his unfitness,

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Speaker 2: unfitness as an employee, propensity for drinking and or horn

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Speaker 2: for conduct. We'll get to that. That's kind of your

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Speaker 2: area here in just a few minutes. Ryan Hendrick from

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Speaker 2: the w IBC newsroom on the hotline. Nice work on

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Speaker 2: oncovering this this weekend, Ryan, what like like overall your

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Speaker 2: general view of kind of how this played out and

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Speaker 2: how people got it wrong, and then we slowly came

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Speaker 2: to realize that Sanchez was not only the victim but

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Speaker 2: the aggressor. Kind of just talk about your coverage of

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Speaker 2: this this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, thanks so much for having me on. I

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Speaker 1: hope you can hear me pretty well. I got you

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Speaker 1: in the Westside. Yeah, trying to pick up my wife

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of people have rushed to judgment and wanted to

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Speaker 1: be first, and you know, under the direction of our

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Speaker 1: news director, John Herrick, we were able to cover this

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Speaker 1: story from different locations. We had four reporters working on

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Speaker 1: this story over the weekend from different locations, communicating through

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Speaker 1: a tech group chat and using only the facts to

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Speaker 1: report what we knew and then update throughout the day

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Speaker 1: as the news developed, and the story is still developing today.

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Speaker 18: In fact, I'm coming from the alley now. I want

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Speaker 18: to not call it an alley anymore. I want to

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Speaker 18: be more precise. When I covered this, this was a

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Speaker 18: street that this happened on. So South o Sage Street

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Speaker 18: runs north and south between North.

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Speaker 1: Senate Avenue and West Washington.

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Speaker 18: That's where this happened. Behind the weston. Now here's what

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Speaker 18: I did, just to give you guys an example of

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Speaker 18: the pain and the endurance that Mark Sanchez would have

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Speaker 18: had to have had if he was stabbed, if and

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Speaker 18: when he was stabbed in the chest. So from the

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Speaker 18: point where he was stabbed or thereabouts, is two hundred

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Speaker 18: and seventy nine feet, which is where the truck driver

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Speaker 18: dropped the oil off.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's approximately three quarters of a length of

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Speaker 1: a football field seventy nine yards.

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Speaker 2: The truck driver. The truck driver was picking up recycled

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Speaker 2: oil from restaurant at twelve thirtys correct, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Was not a delivery driver, a a guy that was

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Speaker 1: doing his job behind the West and charged with picking

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Speaker 1: up food oil and recycling it, switching it out whatever.

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Speaker 1: When Sanchez tried to get in his truck and all

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Speaker 1: this commotion broke loose, so a fight ensued. This guy

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Speaker 1: stabbed Sanchez, and you could tell by the New York

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Speaker 1: Post photos he was stabbed multiple times in the chest

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Speaker 1: area because his shirt is just expanding. The blood is evident.

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Speaker 1: He's bleeding out heavily as he's walking east up West

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Speaker 1: Washington Street toward the pub where he actually got help,

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Speaker 1: and I reported that on Saturday on TikTok and then

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Speaker 1: related to the WIBC news team. But it's pretty crazy

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Speaker 1: to see the length that this guy had to walk

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Speaker 1: the seventy nine yards Guys, when you were stabbed. So

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Speaker 1: I called a friend who has been stabbed before and

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Speaker 1: a bad drug deal ten years ago in Chicago. He

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Speaker 1: was stabbed about the same area Sanchez was stabbed in

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Speaker 1: the chest, and he said one of tooth happened that morning.

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01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: He said Sanchez either the fight or flight kicked in,

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Speaker 1: or he had so much adrenaline that he didn't even

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Speaker 1: realize where he was stabbed until he collapsed kind of

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Speaker 1: at the window at the pub along West Washington Street.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't look, I mean, I don't know exactly

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Speaker 2: what his injuries were except for that he was stabbed.

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Speaker 2: But I would say I don't think it's a stretch

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Speaker 2: to say that he's lucky to be alive, for sure.

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Speaker 2: And so now we have this lawsuit by this guy

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Speaker 2: that he allegedly attacked. Do we know I'm hearing something

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Speaker 2: about it. He was doing wind sprints or something. Did that.

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Speaker 1: Sanchez is a I don't know exactly what he was doing.

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Speaker 1: In that on that street.

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Speaker 9: But whatever he.

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Speaker 1: Was doing, he was trying to intimidate the sixty.

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Speaker 11: Nine year old guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Sanchez was dressed down like he wasn't he

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Speaker 1: didn't have a suit on or anything.

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Speaker 2: It looked like he had jeans, and he's got like

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Speaker 2: a polo on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if he was running sprints in the alley, know

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Speaker 1: what he was practicing for, maybe is a backup wide

1284
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: receiver because the Raiders could have used him on Sunday. Sure, honestly,

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Speaker 1: it's it's baffling.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I went to I went to a couple of bars,

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Speaker 1: Connor's Pub which is attached to the Marriotte in another bar,

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Speaker 1: to ask him, standez, yeah, no, that's not well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's on Maryland. That's right next to the Marriotte, which

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Speaker 1: is you know, in that on that street, and then

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Speaker 1: the Webston's on the other side. But nobody would admit

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Speaker 1: or say if Sanchez was drinking at their pubs or bars,

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Speaker 1: so I can figure out exactly where he came from.

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Speaker 1: But charging ducks say he was intoxicated. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they gave a blood alcohol level. But as somebody with

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Speaker 1: an addicted pass that can tell you when you blackout, drunk,

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Speaker 1: all bets are off in every things on the table.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, Ryan, thank you for your coverage. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: And I know you're in the middle and doing some

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Speaker 2: stuff with your with your family. Thank you for calling

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Speaker 2: in and giving us the update there man, And.

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Speaker 9: Real quick, guys, I've posted an update.

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Speaker 1: It's about a three and a half minute video that

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Speaker 1: I filmed them back in the Western documenting everything I

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Speaker 1: just told you guys on the radio. If you want

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Speaker 1: to follow me at TikTok at sure to cover number

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Speaker 1: two at sure to cover number two on TikTok. Videos

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Speaker 1: uploaded right now, right on.

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Speaker 2: Ryan, We'll listen for updates on your TikTok and tomorrow

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Speaker 2: obviously on your news updates.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Ryan, Thanks right.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it all Right, So, what so the alleged victim

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Speaker 2: suing Mark Sanchez and Fox Corporation now Guy Relford, who

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01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 2: is a background of criminal defense attorney. What what kind

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Speaker 2: of money could we be talking about here?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I like, it's pure speculation.

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Speaker 2: We don't know everything that happened, but I mean now

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Speaker 2: he's assuming him civilly. Yeah, Sanchez arrested obviously, what kind

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Speaker 2: of money could we be talking about.

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Speaker 5: Well, based on his injuries is the first measure of damages.

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Speaker 5: So you know, we loaded jury decide it's worth to

1324
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Speaker 5: you know, have that big gash in your cheek and

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Speaker 5: and whatever other physical injuries he incuraged nine.

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Speaker 2: Years old and changing out restaurant.

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Speaker 5: Oil, right, And the second thing, the second thing is

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Speaker 5: what kind of lost income is he going to obtain?

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Speaker 5: And then and then the third major category is pain

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Speaker 5: and suffering, So not only the physical injuries you incurred

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Speaker 5: in any permanency of those injuries, but also you know,

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Speaker 5: just this year, pain and suffering you endured in the process,

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Speaker 5: and a jury can decide to assess that there's also

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Speaker 5: a potential for punitive damages because when you hurt someone intentionally,

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Speaker 5: then they can potentially recover from you over and above

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Speaker 5: what is necessary to compensate, you like with pain and

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Speaker 5: suffering and the permanent injuries and lost income, but to

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Speaker 5: actually punish the wrong door and impose what are called

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01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 5: putative damages, which can be an excess of your compensatory damages.

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Speaker 5: So that's what's going to be based on. What's interesting

1341
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Speaker 5: is in a situation like this where people are fighting

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Speaker 5: you know, invariably they both claim self defense. Right, we

1343
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 5: know the person who's been named as the victim is

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Speaker 5: being labeled right now as the victim, and the prosecutor's

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Speaker 5: office says, it looks like he acted in self defense.

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Speaker 5: Just so people know, the way this works is the

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Speaker 5: statute we passed in twenty nineteen. Now, if you use

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Speaker 5: lawful force and self defense. So let's just say hypothetically,

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Speaker 5: and I'm not saying this happen. I'm not saying it's

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Speaker 5: the way the lawsuit's going to go. But hypothetically, if

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Speaker 5: let's say Mark Sanchez says, oh, no, no, I'm the

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Speaker 5: victim here. I was the innocent person involved, and I

1353
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 5: was acting in self defense when I hurt this guy

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Speaker 5: because he was trying to stab me. Right, in that case,

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Speaker 5: not only Sanchez but his employer would both be immune

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Speaker 5: from liability under the new civil Immunity self protection statue

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Speaker 5: that we passed in twenty nineteen. And again right now,

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Speaker 5: based on what the police are saying, they think Sanchez

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Speaker 5: is the guilty party. The other person was acting in

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Speaker 5: self defense, and I don't presuppose how that's going to

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Speaker 5: work out.

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Speaker 2: Are we going to hear his statement from Voyles, his

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Speaker 2: attorney at some point.

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Speaker 5: Well, I've attended Colite Continuing Legal Education seminars taught by

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Speaker 5: Jimmy Boyles, where I was also teaching a different subject,

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Speaker 5: and he had a whole segment talks that says like,

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Speaker 5: when the media calls, hang up, and so Jimmy, Jimmy,

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Speaker 5: I think as a general rule, is going to decline

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Speaker 5: to try his case in the media. And that's the

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Speaker 5: way good lawyers do it. You want to save your

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Speaker 5: facts for the for the courtroom and not anger the

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Speaker 5: judge by trying to assuay the court of public opinion.

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Speaker 2: So if it goes this guy's way sevily seven are

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Speaker 2: we talking seven figures potentially?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, probably without some permanent injury. But if he's got

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Speaker 5: a big old scar across his face, the fact that

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Speaker 5: he's sixty nine or way against that a little bit.

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Speaker 5: It's not like, you know, he's a handsome young guy

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Speaker 5: like you who's now got to carry that scar around

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Speaker 5: for forty to fifty years. But but it's still Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it could be a lot of and certainly punitive damage.

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Speaker 5: There's a cap on punitive damages in Indiana. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: you could potentially reach seven figures altogether.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Okay, Matt Bear, what's going on with Travick? Listening

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Speaker 2: to the Hammer and Nichel Show. I just realized the

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Speaker 2: only thing we haven't done today is talking about the

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Speaker 2: actual Cults game, that blow out against the Raiders yesterday

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01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 2: at home at Lucas Oil. What is forty to six? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: something like that, guy Ralford filling in for a Hammer

1390
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: at what pot you were there? At what point did

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Speaker 2: the Raiders fan and like kind of sheepishly get up

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01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 2: out of their seats and shamefully walk out the door?

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Speaker 5: You know, I had a couple of Raiders fans sitting

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Speaker 5: near me. I went to the last second and just

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Speaker 5: got a single seat, and so I had really really

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Speaker 5: nice seats at a decent price, really nice seat, and

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Speaker 5: they left pretty much beginning of the fourth quarter. But

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Speaker 5: what was interesting about that game we were talking about

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Speaker 5: this off air is the Colts didn't score in the

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Speaker 5: first quarter and didn't score in the fourth quarter. They

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01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 5: scored forty points in two quarters, and so you know,

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01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 5: halfway through the third quarter it started getting piled on

1403
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 5: pretty quickly and became pretty apparent.

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Speaker 2: Could he used like a field goal at some point

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01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 2: by either team? To hit the over, to hit that over.

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01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 2: We'll be speaking with Kevin Bowen from one of seven

1407
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: to five the Fan here at the bottom of the

1408
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 2: hour to get his breakdown of the game and just

1409
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: what we need to know and what the Colts can

1410
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 2: be looking forward to here in the future, because it's

1411
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 2: they've got it decently easy schedule. I mean, they've got.

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Speaker 5: The next four or five games certainly.

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01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Steelers are coming up. Yeah, I'm

1414
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 2: not gonna fly. I think they're playing the Chargers out

1415
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 2: in LA.

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01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

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01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 2: But still I don't want to get it. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm notoriously famous for jinxing any and all sports franchises

1419
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,799
Speaker 2: and even Hammers bets. I've jinx before.

1420
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 5: By the way, that win yesterday and to be there

1421
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 5: in the stadium was satisfying for me because I've seen

1422
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,879
Speaker 5: the Colts play the Raiders in Oakland before the Vegas

1423
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 5: move and that that is a hostile environment. Let me

1424
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 5: tell you, I would put that in my top three

1425
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 5: or four because I've seen the Colts play in twenty

1426
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 5: nine different stadiums, and I'd put that in my top

1427
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 5: three or four for hostile environment. So I'm not the

1428
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 5: kind of person who's gonna abuse any visiting fans. I

1429
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 5: just say, hey, welcome to India. I hope we kick

1430
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 5: your ass, and that's it. But I got abuse pretty

1431
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 5: hard in Oakland, So it was fun for me to

1432
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 5: win that one yesterday with not a lot, but some

1433
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Speaker 5: fair amount of Raider fans good there in attendance.

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Speaker 2: I did want to play this audio of the bartender

1435
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Speaker 2: that helped Mark Sanchez after the incident with the stabbing

1436
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,440
Speaker 2: and the guy that was driving the truck. He Sanchez

1437
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 2: went to a nearby bar for help after already been stabbed.

1438
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the New York Post right now. He's

1439
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 2: got blood all over his shirt. So here is the

1440
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 2: bartender who brought him in. His name's Scott Bennett of

1441
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: lof Miller's Pub.

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01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 19: As I was closing, somebody was minging on the window.

1443
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 19: Saw the first needed help, had but on him. He

1444
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 19: said that he had been shot, brought him inside, laid

1445
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 19: him down, called nine on one, puts howls over entries

1446
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 19: that he had. I was trying to talk to him

1447
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 19: little bit. It was a little bit trying to get

1448
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 19: his name. I couldn't really understand what he was saying.

1449
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 19: How do you recognize him.

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01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 2: So he's telling the guy he was shot. Yeah, I

1451
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 2: think he was out of his mind, just speculating. Well,

1452
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 2: like I mean, if you there's reports that he told

1453
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: the cops that he like alls. He remembers is grabbing

1454
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,560
Speaker 2: this guy's window and that's all he remembers.

1455
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 5: Yeah. And by the way, you know, adrenaline and being

1456
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 5: physically hurt can have a dramatic impact on your memory.

1457
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 5: And one of the reasons we advise people to not

1458
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 5: make statements at the scene if they're involved in self

1459
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 5: defense incident is because you're gonna screw it up, and

1460
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 5: adrenaline does that. Adrenaline and pain certainly can can screw

1461
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 5: you up dramatically. I've been through training exercise where we

1462
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 5: simulate an adrenaline surge as part of a training exercise,

1463
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 5: and then we immediately get somebody in your in the

1464
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 5: student's face, screaming and neil and questions at him, and

1465
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 5: they get everything wrong, everything, So I'm not surprised at all.

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Speaker 2: One clip here there's a press conference with the prosecutor

1467
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 2: and IMPD Chief Bailey earlier today about you know, they

1468
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 2: up it to athelony from a misdemeanor and here is

1469
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 2: Ryan Meres and why he was actually able to file charges.

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Speaker 12: There's a supporting proper cause affidavit which was filed with

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01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 12: the court which outlines additional information which we have received

1472
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 12: thanks to the effort of IMPD, and that's why we

1473
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 12: were able to file the charges.

1474
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Speaker 2: And then he needed more. He needed even more details

1475
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 2: to file additional charges.

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01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 12: Once we were provided with additional information about the victim's

1477
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 12: current medical condition, it became clear to us that additional

1478
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 12: charges needed to be filed.

1479
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 2: You want to do moonshine Monday with me Hammer Hammer's

1480
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 2: got like a collection back there, and even though he's

1481
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: not here today, we'll do that at about five forty

1482
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 2: five or so. Next we're talking to Kevin Bowen. We're

1483
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 2: going to talk about that Colds game and everything and

1484
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 2: everything he needed to know about what happened yesterday right

1485
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 2: after I look at the news in ninety three WBC,

1486
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 2: it's the Hammery Nigel Show. My name is Nigel, the

1487
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 2: gun guy. Guy Ralford filling in for Hammer. Colts killed

1488
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 2: the raiders yesterday forty to six killed me on that

1489
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 2: over too. I'm gonna talk to you about that. At

1490
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 2: some point we got Kevin Bowen here on the WBC Hotline,

1491
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 2: Kevin Bowen from the Fan Morning Show. So much to

1492
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 2: talk about from yesterday's game, KB, But did you have

1493
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 2: Mark Sanchez getting stabbed and then actually being arrested after

1494
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 2: the stabbing on your bingo card for this weekend?

1495
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 9: I can't say I did. It's it's I guess not funny.

1496
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 9: But someone text me on Saturday They're like, hey, man,

1497
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 9: you're about ready to see a headline says Mark Sanchez

1498
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 9: got stabbed and he's the suspect.

1499
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what, Yeah, I don't.

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01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 9: I guess you take the guy out and take the

1501
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 9: boy out of USC, but you can't take the USC

1502
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 9: out of the boy. Maybe.

1503
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 2: Well, I look, here's my question for you. In your

1504
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: morning show this morning, what was the audience You take

1505
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 2: a lot more phone calls than we do on on

1506
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 2: our program. What did the audience want to talk about

1507
01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 2: more the Indianapolis Colts or the incident with with Mark Sanchez.

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01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean definitely a little bit of all. I'd say,

1509
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 9: you know, give Colts fans credit, give football fans credit.

1510
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 9: As salacious of the headline as that is. I think

1511
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 9: they wanted to talk about their football team. And honestly,

1512
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 9: we're talking about a Colts team that you know is

1513
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 9: doing things we haven't seen in quite some time. But

1514
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 9: still we had to sprinkle in a little Sanchez definitely

1515
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 9: throughout because that story is again it's it's incredible, and honestly,

1516
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 9: at this point, I just need video of him, yeah,

1517
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 9: printing down the alley. I think that's about the only

1518
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 9: thing missing from this story.

1519
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 2: So far, so so bizarre. We're covering it here on

1520
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 2: our radio station extensively with updates from Guy Ralford, who

1521
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 2: is a criminal defense attorney too. So forty to six

1522
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 2: I had the over. It was like forty seven and

1523
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: a half. Who robbed me of those two points? What

1524
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 2: play right?

1525
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 11: Was it?

1526
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 2: The Was it the holding call with the special teams

1527
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 2: ran it back with the Colts teams? Was that it?

1528
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 2: Do you think that was it?

1529
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 9: Yeah? That was probably the one, because you know, I

1530
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 9: think it was a whole but it wasn't really near

1531
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 9: the kick return for the touchdown and Ashton Dooland for

1532
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 9: those unfamiliar the story, the guy who were trying to

1533
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 9: kick for a touchdown undirected free agent works as you

1534
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 9: know what off he was playing for kind of the

1535
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 9: knucklehead play from ad Mitchell the week like he deserved

1536
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 9: it more than anyone, So I felt off of for.

1537
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 2: Him in that Momentugh. Oh man, what big picture were

1538
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 2: we looking at yesterday as Colts sands? Was this just

1539
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 2: a net? Are the Raiders, you know, another bad just

1540
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 2: average bad to bad team or have Have the Colts

1541
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 2: fans and the people to pay attention to this missed something?

1542
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 9: Well? I think one thing to keep in mind is

1543
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 9: certainly the Colts. I think I played one of the

1544
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 9: easier schedules in the NFL. But just because in the easy

1545
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 9: schedules presented in front of you doesn't mean NFL teams

1546
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 9: take advantage of it, nor have the Colts. And I

1547
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 9: guess to put a little context around at NIGE, the

1548
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 9: Colts have won three games by at least twenty points

1549
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 9: this season.

1550
01:20:58,160 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.

1551
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 9: They hadn't won one game by twenty points last year,

1552
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 9: the year before that, or the year before that. They

1553
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 9: hadn't won a game by twenty points since twenty and

1554
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 9: twenty one, and now they've done it three times in

1555
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 9: five weeks. So again, I get that these teams are

1556
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 9: likely drafting high, but you know teams drafting high with

1557
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 9: bad quarterbacks have beaten the Colts in recent years. So

1558
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 9: for you to not only win these games but beat

1559
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 9: the you know what out of these teams, that that

1560
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 9: tells me something. The NFL seasons a longer eye in

1561
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 9: seventeen weeks at a long long time. But still for those saying, ah,

1562
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 9: the Colts have an easy schedule, who cares you know.

1563
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 2: Well, who are you worried about? Well, who are you

1564
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 2: worried as a Colts fan? Who are we worried about

1565
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 2: at this point? Looking ahead on the schedule Arizona.

1566
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, schedule wise, you know, I'll all be curious to Chargers.

1567
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 9: You know, another trip out to the West coast. I

1568
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 9: know that their offensive lines a little banged up. You know,

1569
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 9: you do go to Pittsburgh, I want to say, in

1570
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 9: a few weeks, about a month's time. You know, that's

1571
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 9: always been a difficult place to play. But you know,

1572
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 9: even when the schedule came out in May, it was

1573
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 9: definitely more backloaded than front loaded. So once you get

1574
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 9: back from your bye week, you know, you go to

1575
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 9: Kansas City, you go to Seattle, you faced Jacksonville, who

1576
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 9: tonight is playing for a chance to go four to

1577
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 9: one to start the year. So again it is a

1578
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 9: little bit more backloaded, but still the Colts are doing

1579
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 9: things they haven't done in years and they deserve credit

1580
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 9: for that.

1581
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 2: Who is the face of this franchise at this point,

1582
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's gotta be Jonathan Taylor, right, but

1583
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones is right up there with him, you think, yeah, I.

1584
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 9: Mean, Jones is flight out standy. I thought yesterday it

1585
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 9: was his best individual play when you rolled out to

1586
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 9: his right late in the first half and found Michael

1587
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 9: Pittman Jr. In the back of the end zone for

1588
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 9: a touchdown. And again, so much credit to you know,

1589
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 9: Chris Don and Shane Zyken for going out getting Daniel

1590
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 9: Jones and then really believing that, hey, the New York

1591
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 9: Giants was a disastrous organization and we're gonna support him better.

1592
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,879
Speaker 9: And if we support him better, we think there's something

1593
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 9: there in the former top ten pick. And you know,

1594
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 9: there are some resurrection projects around the league that are working.

1595
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 9: Baker Mayfield in Tampa it's one of those. Now, there

1596
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 9: are some that kind of fizzle out, but right now

1597
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 9: and again yesterday was a perfect example of it. No

1598
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 9: negative plays, pretty methodical, and you know, it's kind of

1599
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 9: wild to say. I mean the Colts are down three

1600
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 9: nothing early in the second quarter, and then you'll blink

1601
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 9: and they score forty points in the second and the

1602
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 9: third quarter. I mean, it was amazing how quickly that

1603
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:35,759
Speaker 9: game changed.

1604
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 2: What happened. We're speaking with Kevin Bowen from one O

1605
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 2: seven five the fan. What happened with Spencer Schrader man

1606
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 2: that that was a bummer? The the kicker. What's the status?

1607
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, so it sounds like a really serious knee injury

1608
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 9: for him on unfortunately, Yeah, that was awful. You know,

1609
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 9: I clearly looked bad, and so you know, it looks

1610
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 9: like that's gonna impact him and a significant manner. So

1611
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 9: the Colts are gonna have to do the old kicker

1612
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 9: tryouts this week and we will see exactly who their

1613
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 9: new place kicker will be. I I thought it was

1614
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 9: a hair dirty. I don't know if there's, like, you know,

1615
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 9: rule book evidence that could lead to that. I get

1616
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,679
Speaker 9: guys that, you know, laying out for these block kicks,

1617
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 9: and sometimes that's part of it. But you know, it

1618
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 9: just felt like with the Raiders getting one block against them,

1619
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 9: the weak crier the Colts had blocked the punt for them.

1620
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 9: You know earlier in that second quarter. I just thought

1621
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 9: it was a little bit you know, crossing the line.

1622
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 9: But yeah, hopefully a full recovery for him, because he was,

1623
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 9: you know, having a really nice start. He's a local guy,

1624
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 9: you know, lived in Westfields Are a large portion of

1625
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 9: his childhood and spent his final collegiate year.

1626
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 3: Up at Notre Dame.

1627
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 2: And and then could you have explained to me they

1628
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 2: they couldn't find a backup kicker Sanchez or whoever, Like

1629
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 2: they kept on throwing the extra points every time there

1630
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 2: was nobody that could kick in extra point.

1631
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 9: Yeah, I thought that was a little odd, to be

1632
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 9: honest with you. Yeah, so I get there, like teams

1633
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 9: don't carry a backup kicker, Like you're only allowed to

1634
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 9: dress forty six guys on game day. Like I totally

1635
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 9: understand that. But the odd part was, like I thought

1636
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 9: it was potentially a good opportunity to let Riga Rito Sanchez,

1637
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 9: you know, kick an extra point. Yeah, he did kick

1638
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 9: in college. And like, just in case one of those

1639
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 9: situations arises during the game, boom, you've at least worked

1640
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 9: on the operation, because weirdly, the Colts long snapper would

1641
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 9: have become their holder in that situation. That's that's kind

1642
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 9: of the oddity and how they change it up. But

1643
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,799
Speaker 9: so Luke Rhodes would have become their holder through ogle

1644
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 9: tree at backup tight End would have become their long snapper.

1645
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 9: So Shane's second just kept on over two point version.

1646
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 9: After two point of version, I'm like, well, you're up

1647
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 9: by a million, why not just kick the extra points

1648
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 9: for these guys at least a game rep. But you know,

1649
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 9: Shane elected otherwise.

1650
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 2: He and then finally, because it's funny, we're just talking

1651
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 2: about kickers and Mark Sanchez are really talking about the

1652
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 2: game just because it was a blowout. But hey, I

1653
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 2: saw because I had a bunch of friends over yesterday

1654
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 2: drinking some beers, and as you know, as the game progressed,

1655
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 2: we just kind of lost interest. Did I see Anthony

1656
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 2: Richardson in the game at one point? And how'd he do?

1657
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 9: Indeed, Anthony Richardson, he threw a pass that he caught himself.

1658
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 9: The ball was batted up in the air, part he

1659
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 9: showed his tremendous athleticism and hauled in the catch and

1660
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 9: really did a nice job of gaining some yards after

1661
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 9: the catch. It was really a very impressive feat and

1662
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 9: then later which doesn't shock anyone. Ady Mitchell was also

1663
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 9: in the game, and Anthony Richardson threw a ball twenty

1664
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 9: yards over the head of Ady Mitchell. So miscommunication with

1665
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 9: those two we were used to last season. Really miss

1666
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 9: communication between Joe Flacco and Adie Mitchell, we were used

1667
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,679
Speaker 9: to last seed. And so yeah, he played the final

1668
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 9: eleven minutes, which, again, like NFL games notedge. You just

1669
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,600
Speaker 9: don't blowouts like that where your backup quarterback, you know,

1670
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 9: is treated like a walk on, you know, And that's

1671
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 9: like pretty much how the Colt Street a Anthony and

1672
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,480
Speaker 9: Richardson and really a lot of their frontline starters.

1673
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 2: Yesterday and a brother couldn't get an extra two points somewhere,

1674
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 2: not a field goal, not a touchdown with like you said,

1675
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 2: eleven minutes left, I couldn't, Oh, a man, that killed

1676
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: my parlay. So what real quick? I know the Pacers

1677
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 2: had their fan jam thing over the weekend. What's the

1678
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 2: schedule in terms of preseason and just just your quick

1679
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 2: overall thoughts of what we could expect from the Pacers

1680
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 2: this season.

1681
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, so, actually over a Pacers practice earlier today. They

1682
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 9: are off to Minnesota for their preseason opener, so that

1683
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 9: is tomorrow night.

1684
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 2: Wow.

1685
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 9: They'll play four preseason games here and then their regular

1686
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 9: season opener will be against the Thunder ironically, and that

1687
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 9: will be two weeks from Thursday. So I want to

1688
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 9: say that's the twenty third of October. That will be

1689
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,440
Speaker 9: when things officially get underway.

1690
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, there you go.

1691
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 9: It's kind of crazy that it's back to being here.

1692
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 9: You saw some Pacers staffers getting right ahead of the

1693
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 9: airport and they're like, here we go again. You know,

1694
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 9: it just seems like last von just do.

1695
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 2: So what's going on on the show tomorrow? So we

1696
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 2: will have.

1697
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 9: Ashton Dolon I mentioned to him earlier. We played that

1698
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 9: like in the nine o'clock hour today. I know our

1699
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,560
Speaker 9: morning commute audience can vary, so for those on the

1700
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 9: seven o'clock commute time, I will play that around seven thirty.

1701
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:35,560
Speaker 9: Really great story about again an undrafted free agent from Malone.

1702
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 9: They don't even play football at Malone anymore at the

1703
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 9: school in Ohio, and he's carved out just in this

1704
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 9: great role with the Colts. So we'll play that coming

1705
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 9: up at Sevendy and then starting to look ahead to

1706
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,520
Speaker 9: a huge one for Kurt Signetty I you at Oregon

1707
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 9: College game Day, will be there top back up Saturday afternoons.

1708
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 2: Wow, there you go. Kevin Bowen from one O seven

1709
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 2: five the fan, Thank you so much, sir. Have a

1710
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 2: great week, you bet and I take trabb it. It's

1711
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 2: a Hammer and Nigel show to a sample place and

1712
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 2: time when we used to cheat land the moon check.

1713
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 2: A guy Ralford shows up for moonshine Monday beer sample Friday.

1714
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 2: It doesn't get any better than this, does it? Brother?

1715
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 5: Yeah? Coincidence.

1716
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 2: I don't think we had. First of all, our listeners

1717
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 2: are the best Hammer and Nigel listeners specifically are the best.

1718
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 2: We had an anonymous a listener who wished to remain

1719
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 2: anonymous because well, this moonshine's illegal, so there's that. But

1720
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 2: he gave us a whole bunch, so a whole bunch

1721
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 2: of different flavors, and we're gonna test some right now.

1722
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 2: So you want to are you game? Past the Mason

1723
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 2: jar over to you and just tell the audience what

1724
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:54,799
Speaker 2: about what we're about to taste?

1725
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:59,759
Speaker 5: Oh, pineapple, upside down cake, don't.

1726
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 2: Moon, don't let that. Don't let that fool you, because

1727
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 2: it definitely you're definitely gonna. I can guarantee, judging by

1728
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 2: the past, we did apple Pie, we did peach. Just

1729
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 2: because it says pineapple upside down cake doesn't mean there

1730
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 2: ain't no moon shine in it.

1731
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 5: I think we had apple Pie not too long ago,

1732
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 5: is that right? Or maybe that was just in Hammer's office,

1733
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 5: that office after the show, but it was pretty damn good.

1734
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 2: So thank you to our rat is. I think he's

1735
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 2: a radical Hammer Nigel fan. We've got several more of these,

1736
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 2: So cheers to moonshine Monday.

1737
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know that is just right. That's the right

1738
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 5: combination of of of sweetness.

1739
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 2: And it's got a kick it. Can you tell there's

1740
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 2: a little kick to it. Speaking of kick, I was

1741
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 2: so disappointed that the Colts kicker is out for the

1742
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 2: seas and a Notre Dame kid. Yeah, I went to

1743
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 2: Westfield for a while. Yeah, man, what a disappointment. He

1744
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 2: was having a hell of a season, wasn't he.

1745
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 5: I was at that game yesterday. I happened right in

1746
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 5: front of me, and you know, at first he saw

1747
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 5: the flag go up and he said, all right, penalty, Uh,

1748
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 5: you know, we'll get something out of this. Yeah, and

1749
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 5: then realized he's hurt and that's when it all went down.

1750
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 5: And then what was really interesting they have you know

1751
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 5: that Rigberto Sanchez is their backup kicker, right, but they

1752
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 5: don't have a backup holder.

1753
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,919
Speaker 2: Like long snapper. It would have been a whole calamity

1754
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 2: of the things.

1755
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 5: Well, you're right, I mean the long snapper could be

1756
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 5: the holder, but then they got to find another long snapper,

1757
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 5: and the whole thing was just kind of a parade

1758
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 5: of errors had.

1759
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 2: And then Anthony Richardson we were talking about that with

1760
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 2: Kevin Bowen just a minute ago. I thought it was

1761
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:51,600
Speaker 2: it was kind of cool fun to see him in

1762
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 2: there for like eleven minutes, you know, and overthrowing guys

1763
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 2: by twenty yards.

1764
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, on the long ball, he clearly did. But you know,

1765
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 5: people were making one of him because they said he'll

1766
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 5: even intercept his own.

1767
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 2: Path, and he did, and he caught his own path.

1768
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 5: You know what, though, I'll give him, I'll give him

1769
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 5: big credit for that play because he caught it out

1770
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 5: of mid air after it was batted up by a

1771
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 5: defensive lineman. He caught it and then he plowed over

1772
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 5: about ten dudes. He got a first down out of it.

1773
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,440
Speaker 5: So I mean, I I thought it showed some athleticism

1774
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 5: and I was cheering for him. I'm I'm not an

1775
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:25,759
Speaker 5: ar hater like a lot of folks.

1776
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 2: More of the Hammer of Nigel show coming out after

1777
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:28,839
Speaker 2: six o'clock