1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Line from Vall Hartliner and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: Admittedly I do not spend time talking about Candace Owens. 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: Never been a fan, and I think I have proven 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: that here by not talking about her. I remember she 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: came to Indianapolis, where I live, for an event and 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: I actually said to the organizers, why are you doing this? 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: It's not going to be great, to which she spent 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: the time talking about herself nothing else, answering some questions, 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: but nothing about what the people came to hear about. 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I had been invited to 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: the VIP part of that event and people were taking pictures. 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: I have no photo with Candace Owans. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: That did not happen Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: to be with you. But you certainly cannot question that 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: at one time Candace Owens had a lot of power, 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: and that Candace Owans has decided after splitting with The 18 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: Daily Wire because she seems to seriously have a problem 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: with Jews her words, not mine. 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: It has only devolved into madness. 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: But there's a lot of stories that have involved her, 22 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: including this really continual story about opportunism. 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: Kira Davis joins us right now. 24 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 2: She's the author of Drawing Lines Why Conservatives must begin 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: to battle fiercely in the arena of ideas. You can 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: find that at Amazon dot com, wherever fine books are sold. 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: You see her hot takes over at the New York 28 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: Post Opinion journalist. You were the first person when you 29 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: and I have known each other while you fill in 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: on this very show, you were the first person I 31 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: ever knew who had not issue might be the wrong word, 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: but a real kind of Hey, you know this idea 33 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: that Candie Owans is the only one of her out 34 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: there in the world of conservatism that isn't really true? 35 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: And is anybody actually listening to the things that she says. 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: She is back on the news not just for her 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: anti Israel stuff and her anti Semitic stuff, but this 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: is about Charlie Kirk and you have been writing about 39 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: this and posting about this. 40 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: This what I. 41 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: Would call this hijacking of a legacy the candae owns 42 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: seems to be involved in. As you see it, and 43 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: to whatever background you can give to it, is Candice 44 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: Owens trying to do this. 45 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: Well. First of all, Tony, it's good to be back 46 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: on the show. Hello to all the listeners out there. 47 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: I always love filling in, so thanks for those opportunities. Yeah, 48 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: I couldn't have predicted this type of meltdown from Candace, 49 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: but I definitely couldn't have predicted the last month or 50 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 3: so in American politics period Candie Owens. I want to 51 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: say this to people. Candice Owens has always been this person. 52 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 3: She didn't get changed by anybody, she didn't get affected 53 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 3: by anybody. She didn't get into the business and then 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: get corrupted. She is literally a has been this person. 55 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: A lot of people didn't really notice when she was 56 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: just being weird and rude about black people because a 57 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: lot of the things she said may have resonated politically 58 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: with some people. And I'm not even saying that's a 59 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: bad thing. I'm just saying maybe some of the things 60 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: that she said, you know, felt familiar to some people 61 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: and they thought, oh, well, she's just one of us, 62 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: and she's just saying edgy things. But that's not what 63 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: it was. She Candace Owens is a grifter and she's 64 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 3: going to go where the money is. And at that time, 65 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: five years ago, I wrote an article about her that 66 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: I got a lot of grief for but I said, 67 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: there's a problem with this woman. I don't care for 68 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: the way she talks about Americans, particularly black Americans. It 69 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: signals something insincere to me. And over the years we 70 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: come to figure out, well, Candace will take a position, 71 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: any position that is going to be controversial enough to 72 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: set her apart. And that's what she's doing. When she 73 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: got fired from the Daily Wire, she found an audience 74 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: in the anti Semitic wing. She found an audience. She 75 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: found that they were clicking. And so what did she 76 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: start to do. She started to double down. That's when 77 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: she started to get very loud with her anti Semitism 78 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: and her anti Israel sentiments when she realized that the 79 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: clicks were coming in. So now she's got Nick Fouentes 80 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: is a huge podcaster. He is a fringe al right podcaster, 81 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 3: but he has a huge audience, and now so does she. 82 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: She's tapped into his audience. So she's only been encouraged 83 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 3: to keep going further and further with the anti Semitism thing. 84 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: And then, of course, when Charlie was murdered, she knew Charlie. 85 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: They were friends. That's not a lie. Charlie made her 86 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: This was always kind of my bone of contingent with 87 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: Charlie that he gave us. Candace Owens, he made her. Yes, 88 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: they were friends, but she's so an opportunity the second 89 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: he was murdered to take advantage of their relationship and 90 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: to exploit it. And what she is doing now to 91 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 3: Charlie's memory, to TPUSA, to Erica Kirk, it's not just rude, 92 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 3: it's not just disrespectful. It's disgusting. It's growth because she 93 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: is doing nothing but trying to profit off of Charlie's 94 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 3: death by taking words that he may or may not 95 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: have said prior to his death and using them to 96 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: support her own narrative. And he's not here, he's not 97 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: here to defend himself. Let me get not here. 98 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: Let me get a little bit into that, because she 99 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: was releasing texts about Jewish donors pressuring him on Israel. 100 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: If you don't know anything about the donor class, they'll 101 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: pressure about all sorts of things. 102 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: They're giving the money. 103 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: They want their message told, they want their information out, 104 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: And how you manage donors is a big thing, and 105 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: sometimes you have to fire donors. 106 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: Full disclosure. I have no donors at all. I haven't. 107 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: I have not been that fortunate in my life, and 108 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: I have no pressures on me. I say what I say, 109 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: and I'm pretty sure Kira does as well. 110 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: So there were people I'll. 111 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: Take donors if you're out there, if you want, I'll 112 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: take donors. I'm accepting donors. 113 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: Just send the check to Tony Katz. I'll be sure 114 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: she gets it. So this was about donors engaging in 115 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: pressure about this on Israel or that on Israel. I'm 116 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 2: not surprised that this has happened. I don't think this 117 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: will be the first it's happened. I don't think it'll 118 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: be the last that happened. As there are donors out 119 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: there who are giving pressure people to be more anti 120 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: Israel and more this and more that it's happening all 121 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: over the place. We're not children, we're grown up, so 122 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: you can handle this conversation. So what she is doing 123 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: is saying that these text messages prove that he was 124 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 2: not a fan of Israel, not a fan of Jews. 125 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: Not this, not that. 126 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: Andrew Covid, who is was his executive producer on the 127 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: radio show and is a turning point, said that these 128 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: are authentic. But this was all and so a private exchange, 129 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: a text exchange that part I don't even think matters. 130 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: I would say, that's Andrew, who I don't know. What 131 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: I say to you, Kira, is that the argument is 132 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: these text messages don't prove a body of work. 133 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: Yet Candice Owns is trying to. 134 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: Make it proof of a body of work and changing 135 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: history in the process exactly. 136 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: And that's what Andrew is really saying when he says 137 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: these are private text messages. Tony, you and I have 138 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: known each other for fifteen years. If we went back 139 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: through our entire text history, there would be many questionable 140 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: things or things that would look questionable to people. Discussions. 141 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: Maybe we got a little too blue sometimes, maybe we 142 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: cracked an inside joke that looks very offensive to people 143 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: on the outside. Maybe we were having very nuanced discussions 144 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: about topics that we had just discussed earlier that day. 145 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: We would have no. 146 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: Context for those for that text fifteen year old text 147 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 3: thread if it came out today, and it's the same 148 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,119 Speaker 3: thing with this text thread. This is what Andrew means. 149 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 3: It was a private conversation, which means it's full of contextualities, 150 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: if that's even a word. It's full of nuances. It's 151 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: full of the silent language of personal relationships. So there's 152 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of context in those text messages that 153 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: people from outside of that relationship circle can't possibly understand. 154 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: And that's what Andrew means. Don't put words in Charlie's 155 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: mouth on a group of text messages when you don't 156 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 3: really know what was going on. You don't know the discussion, 157 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 3: and it's one group of messages. Charlie and I want 158 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 3: to say this, Charlie was not anti Israel. He wasn't 159 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: thinking about abandoning Israel. He had some questions, he had 160 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: some donor issues, but again, these are nuanced adult conversations 161 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: that happen. He was having them privately because the reason 162 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: he had those conversation privately is because if you have 163 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 3: those nuanced conversations publicly, you end up with people like 164 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: Candace Owens trying to pick apart your legacy brick by brick. 165 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: He knew better than that. So it's not some indictment. 166 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: I wish everyone would stop taking Charlie's got an entire 167 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: life of work. You and the word tells us you 168 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: will know them by their fruits. We knew Charlie by 169 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: his fruits, by what he produced. Has he ever produced 170 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 3: anything anti Semitic, anti Israel? Has he ever been in 171 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 3: an environment and done his job where he has had 172 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: been insulting of Israel or Jews or come off like 173 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: that at all. He's never been anything about but a defender. 174 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: So everyone needs to ignore Candace and go on what 175 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: you know about Charlie. 176 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: We have plenty to go on talking to you, Kira Davis, 177 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: Justkiradavis dot substack dot com. Just search for Just Kira 178 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 2: Davis on the substack and be sure to subscribe. And 179 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: the book drawing lines why conservatives must begin to battle 180 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: fiercely in the arena of ideas. Our mutual friend the 181 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: Bank of keV Kevin McKeever shared a post that you 182 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: had put out on X that starts with, Dear friends, 183 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: please remember that Charlie was a real person, and he 184 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 2: hasn't been gone long enough for those of us who 185 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: knew him to forget who he really was. It is 186 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: one month since Charlie Kirk was assassinated. It happened about 187 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: this time. The reason I wanted to talk to you 188 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: was not about whether he was a defender of Israel, 189 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: a defender of Jews. That's really not even my argument. 190 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: This is about what people will do for the opportunity 191 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 2: to gain an opportunity, and that part is really the 192 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: story of where Candice Owens is and really the story 193 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: as I see it, of this downfall. This is much 194 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: larger than was he a supporter of Israel or not. 195 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: I believe that he was based on his words, but 196 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: I don't give a damn either way, and I would 197 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: say that to Erica Kirk or anybody at turning point. 198 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: None of that is part of my conversation I'm watching, 199 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: if I understand it right, the manipulation of conversation and 200 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: relationships to benefit and we see this happen. 201 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: This is an ugliness that. 202 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: We should I think clearly state is beneath us and 203 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: shows what kind of person we're dealing with when it 204 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 2: comes to candae Owns. 205 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: Yes, this was totally my argument. Five years ago when 206 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: I dropped my article The Trouble with Candace, I read state, 207 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: you can still go see it. It still gets clicked, 208 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 3: it still gets shared, and that's exactly what I said. 209 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 3: You guys are looking at this woman as somebody who 210 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: has opinions and has some solutions to share, and she's not. 211 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: She's a gripter. 212 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: And what's a a gripter is someone who sticks her 213 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: finger in the air, takes account of the wind, and 214 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: then that's the direction they go in. So when she's 215 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: and you're right, Tony, this is a larger conversation about that, 216 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 3: and that is that's what I was saying earlier, about 217 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: contextualizing things and taking things out of context for your 218 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: own to exploit your own advantages. Candice did not wait. 219 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: She didn't even wait until Charlie's body got home before 220 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: she started cutting up like this, acting up like this. 221 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 3: So that is the sign of a grifter. And I 222 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: think what we're seeing here, I actually we've had this 223 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: conversation on this show before. I think you've nailed it. 224 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 3: What we're seeing here is not an issue of politics. 225 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, And again I still do feel very 226 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: strongly about saying out loud that Charlie was a defender 227 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: of Israel. So whatever questions you have, he was all right. 228 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: So but outside of that, we have a problem in 229 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: conservative media. We have we have the commentator and policy 230 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: set people like you and me, and then we have 231 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: the influencers, and the influencers have taken over the journalism 232 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: part of conservative media, and the influencers are the social 233 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 3: media influencers. They have their advantages, right, they can get 234 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: out messages, they have a lot of followers, they can 235 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: disseminate talking points. But they're entertainers first, so they go 236 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 3: where the money is. And that's what Candice is doing. 237 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: She's going where the money is. And so we do 238 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: have a problem with how do we digest our news 239 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 3: here on the right, And you know, how do we 240 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: determine the difference between someone who is just drifting and 241 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 3: influencing and someone who is just really good at spreading the. 242 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: Word talking to you. 243 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: Kia Davis finds her at a substack just Kira Davis 244 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 2: dot substock dot com. We've talked about influencers before, we've 245 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: done it off their we've dot it on and the 246 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: difference between I'm a radio host. I don't look at 247 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 2: myself as a social media influencer at all, the fact 248 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: that I may from time to time have influences different 249 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,479 Speaker 2: than the content that they're creating. 250 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,239 Speaker 1: The question before us, or maybe the issue before. 251 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: Us is Candice isn't going away tomorrow, and you can 252 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: bring up other people as well. I want Nick foint 253 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: Dies to go away as well. That anti semi but 254 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: that's it's not going away. There is an audience for 255 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: these things. Tucker's turn has been ugly and despicable, and 256 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: I'm disappointed in him, and it's it's it's hot garbage. 257 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: He's certainly not going away. That's not happening. So the 258 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: question before us is how does the fiefdom of the 259 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 2: influencer get penetrated at all to try and bring some 260 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: accountability to the irrational statements and flat fraudulent statements. 261 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: That are being made. 262 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: How do you cut into that and cut down on 263 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: an influencer's influence. 264 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: I don't think you can cut down on an influencer's influence. 265 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 3: That's you know, that's up to the people. It's a 266 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: nebulous thing. I don't think we can. But I think 267 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: the thing you do is what we're doing right now 268 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: when to talk about it, you give people alternative points 269 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: of view. Isn't that the whole issue that we've had, 270 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: particularly over the last four to ten years with the left. 271 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 3: They haven't been allowed to see what we are thinking 272 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: and believing on the right, and so they have been 273 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: living in this bubble and then they've been able to 274 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 3: paint us however they want because we couldn't get our 275 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: voices out there, and now we see the results of 276 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 3: that have been very, very dangerous. But it's the same 277 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: thing on this side with your question about the influencers. 278 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: You know, you can't change that aspect, and you can't 279 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: change what people like or what people want. But what 280 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 3: you can do is make sure that people are hearing 281 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 3: the other parts of the argument so that they don't 282 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: think that we're all walking and lockstep on this issue, 283 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 3: and so that they know that there are other people 284 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 3: out there, maybe other people with actual, real intimate information, 285 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: who can add context to the situation outside of the 286 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: influencer set. You just got to it's just got to 287 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: be more voices. And I truly do believe that. You know, 288 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: if you leave a thing alone long enough, it'll bite it. 289 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 3: It'll by itself in the butt. That's what a friend 290 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: told me about Candace years ago when I was losing 291 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: work and losing followers for criticizing her, and I was 292 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: so upset, and my friend said, you know what, Kira, 293 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: We've seen a ton of Candace zones coming go over 294 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: the years, and if you wait long enough the truth 295 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 3: about her will come out and people will see it, 296 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: and people are seeing it now. Is it hitting her pocketbook? No, 297 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: not yet. But I don't really care. Like like you say, 298 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: I don't really care. I don't care about that. I 299 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: don't care who watches her or doesn't. The point is 300 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: is that who she is is available for people to see, 301 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: and then people can make their own decision. 302 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: More coming up. I'm Tony Katz. 303 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today continuing my conversation with Kia 304 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: Davis just Kiradavis dot substack dot com opinion journalists just 305 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 2: hear her work at The New York Post discussing Candace 306 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: Owens and her clear trying to manipulate her legacy or 307 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: the legacy of Charlie Kirk to her advantage and as 308 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: full disclosures as humanly possible. I'm not saying she can't 309 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: have her shows, and I'm not saying she can't have 310 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: her social media accounts, and I'm not saying she can't 311 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: spew of the nonsense. 312 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: I just want more. 313 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: People to recognize that this is ugly stuff, trying to 314 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: make your bones on the legacy of somebody else by 315 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: manipulating that legacy is something that is that, Tony. 316 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: It's not just that Charlie was her friend. Charlie was 317 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 3: her friend, and she knew Erica, and she knew Charlie 318 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 3: very very well. It's really despicable. What she's not acting 319 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 3: like she knew Charlie. 320 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: She's not acting like a friend. I mean, so, so 321 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: what do we call friend? What is that? Actually? Me 322 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: and a friend? A friend is easy in the good times. 323 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 3: Well, she's calling him her friend for sure out there. 324 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: But she knew Charlie very well, and Charlie was very 325 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 3: kind to her. And if you think that Candace has 326 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 3: a bunch of text messages that could paint Charlie or 327 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 3: TPUSA in a bad light, don't think for one second. 328 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 3: They don't have the same. 329 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: Which is he has a whole other thing. 330 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: Right now, we're getting into cold war detant. You published this, 331 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: I published that. Okay, everybody bring down the heat, dear lord. 332 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 3: Why in the world, Well, that's what TPUSA is trying 333 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,239 Speaker 3: to avoid. They don't want that. They don't want that. 334 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 3: They just want her to go away. They're not they're 335 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: not doing that, That's my point. But I who's done 336 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 3: right here? 337 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: What I like about you? You bringing it up. 338 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: Is that that is that is really what we're coming 339 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 2: to you like, this is, this is where this conversation is, 340 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: this where it leads, and this is you know, this 341 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: concept of mutually assured destruction doesn't do any buddy any good. 342 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: Kira Davis. I'm gonna leave it there. 343 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: Get the substack, just Kira Davis dot substack dot com. 344 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: Look for Kiradavis and the book Drawing Lines, available at 345 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 2: Amazon dot com. Kira a pleasure. I've known Kia a 346 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: long time, and Kira did take hits. 347 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: She took the hits for. 348 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: Being very very honest. That article over there at Red 349 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: State it is still there. The problem with canvas, and 350 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: I would say there is a problem with influencers because 351 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: they're attracting audience without having. 352 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: To prove it. And that's how it comes across to me, 353 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: maybe not to you. I'd love to know. 354 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: Let me know, Tony, Tony Katz dot com, Twitter at 355 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 2: Tony Katz more coming up. 356 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats. 357 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: Today. A lot of people angry that there might be 358 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: peace between Israel and Hamas. Now I should tell you 359 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: that I don't think it's possible. I have no faith 360 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: in Hamas whatsoever. They are a terrorist organization. Help bent 361 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: on a caliphate, help bent on domination. 362 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: It's just not going to happen. 363 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: But I will at the very least applaud what we're 364 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: seeing right now and get the hostages back. This is 365 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: a good development. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to 366 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: be with you. Jonathan Cook, winner of the Martha Gellhorne 367 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: Special Prize for Journalism with one hundred and seventy thousand 368 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: followers on Twitter x talking about a piece in The Guardian. 369 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: Reading The Guardian, joins the chorus, pretending a Gaza piece 370 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: deal is possible because of a Trump's juggernaut personality. 371 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: The truth. 372 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: Without US weapons, Israel would have been unable to wreck 373 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: Gaza and commit a genocide. The US could have stopped 374 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: this from day one, had it wished to. So you're 375 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 2: going to push the genocide line. The United Nations has 376 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: already said, we've got enough food for ever been in 377 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 2: Gaza for three months? 378 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: Why didn't you bring the food? Why were you always 379 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: saying there was no food? Israel wasn't actually stopping you. You 380 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: could have done it an time. 381 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: Also, you take a look at everybody cheering in Gaza. 382 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: They don't look malnourished at all. They're not so weak 383 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: from starvation. 384 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: They're going yea. 385 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: Sober. No, they're dancing and cheering and singing. The whole 386 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: thing has been a fraud. The whole thing has been 387 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 2: a lie. The Israelis are cheering. They're genocidal, but they're cheering. 388 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: Everybody sees this for what it is, and we're gonna 389 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: discuss this in a couple of different ways, because it's 390 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: extremely important to note that there are people out there 391 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 2: who are telling you a thing, but don't believe what 392 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: they're telling you. It's so they can do another thing. 393 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 2: The people who have been screaming Israel genocide are the 394 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: people who want to destroy you. The ultimate goal is 395 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: the end of Western civilization, whether that be by caliphate, 396 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: whether that be by Sharia law, whether that be by 397 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: becoming a socialist a nation, and ending cap It is 398 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: about you no longer being in their way. We've discussed 399 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: at length the concept of what's known as the Red 400 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: Green Alliance, where you've got the Islamist and the communists 401 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 2: on the same side in favor of the destruction of 402 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: Western civilization. 403 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: Israel is nothing more than. 404 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: A step to that goal, to that desire, to that want, 405 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,479 Speaker 2: and that want is real. That want is whether it 406 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: is what they believe out of the Quran or what 407 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: they believe out of Marxism. It is that capitalism is bad. 408 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: Therefore the West is bad and an impediment to this 409 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: better utopia. 410 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: They think they can create the. 411 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: Islamist via sharia law and the communists via communism. Both 412 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: these things are fantasies. Sharia law doesn't create anything better. 413 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: It destroys, it a means, it ruins, it objectifies, It 414 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: subjects people to quite literally hell on earth. Unless you're 415 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: a Muslim man, things are going to be really bad. 416 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: And if you're a mussle well man, it's still gonna 417 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: be really, really, really bad. We haven't seen enough proof 418 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: of this. You want more of that? I think you 419 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: should take you and your group of friends if they 420 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: or you believe this. And how about Sharia for a week? 421 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: Sharia for a week, that's what we need. Go live 422 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 2: under Sia law for a week. Let's see what's going 423 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: to happen next. Let's see what happens to you. Let's 424 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 2: see if it's something you want. You haven't seen enough 425 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: of the disasters and the healthscape, and the violence and 426 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: the murder of communism to know how terrible it is. 427 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 2: Have you never spoken to anybody from Poland ever? 428 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: And I say you, I don't mean you, I mean them. 429 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: They They actually want this. 430 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: Some ridiculous child college student at the age of nineteen 431 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 2: thinks they know everything and thinks that somehow, well real 432 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: communism hasn't been tried yet. 433 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: Of course it has. Everyone who came before you. 434 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 2: At the age of nineteen was so dumb that only 435 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: you know how to do it, right? 436 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: Would you stop talking, you unbelievable child. You sound like 437 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: a moron. 438 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: And parents need to be looking at their nineteen year 439 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: old and say, you sound like a moron. I'm not 440 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: paying for that school anymore. I don't care if your 441 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: friends go there, that's your problem. I'm sending you over 442 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 2: here because there maybe you won't learn to be a moron. 443 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: Parents need to be doing this. They need to be 444 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 2: doing this aggressively. They need to be proactive. 445 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: And saying I don't send you to that school. I'm 446 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: not gonna be a part of that. We're not gonna 447 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: do that thing. Not a chance. They need to. 448 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: Be saying I love you more than you clearly love yourself. 449 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 2: I won't spend my money on that to ruin you. No, 450 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: you're gonna lose your kid anyway. You might as well 451 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: stand up for something so they could see it happen. 452 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: They can see how much you care about them, as 453 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: opposed to just letting things go and letting things go 454 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: and being like, hmm, maybe they'll come back. It's I 455 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: get that if you're a parent in this situation, it's 456 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: not easy. I'm only giving my take to how I 457 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: think it should be handled based on the evidence we've 458 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: seen of what happens to kids in these indoctrination factories. 459 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: And they're grown men and women, but we see what 460 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: happens to them. 461 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 2: They're our kids, and it doesn't It doesn't work out great, 462 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: it really doesn't. But the Communist wants a society that 463 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: simply is untenable, and the Islamist wants a society that 464 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 2: is simply untenable. But in order to get to their 465 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 2: untenable society, they have to get rid of the impediments. 466 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: That's Western civilization, and the easiest target is Israel and 467 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: the Jews. That's what we're seeing. And now you have well, 468 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 2: you see Israel. It was always a fault. Israel was 469 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: always at fault. Is one heck of a take. Israel 470 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 2: started this war. Israel did not start this war. Hamas 471 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: started this war. And you will have people was it 472 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 2: was it CBS News or was it a New York 473 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: Times just discussing Israel started this conflict. They lie about everything. 474 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: They lie all the time. They lie in every single 475 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: way in place because what. 476 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: They can't bring themselves to say, you know, Hamas is 477 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: the problem because they have a readership and a base 478 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 2: that's gonna say, how dare you? 479 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: They are believers that well, you know, none. 480 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: Of this would happen if Israel would just stop being 481 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: so uppity. They believe that too. But in time and 482 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 2: again after this peace deal, oh what is it that 483 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: you see? You see people saying, well, you know, this 484 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: really isn't this isn't the issue. 485 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: The issue still is Israel. 486 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 2: We need to be clear about the fact that the 487 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 2: people who gain popularity, reputation, capital, as I discuss it, 488 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: from being anti Israel, still need to be anti Israel. 489 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 2: There could be no moment of thank goodness this is 490 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: over because it was never about the thing. It's about 491 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 2: their own hatreds, their own vitriol, and their own desires, 492 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 2: the desire of the person not talking about Israeli policy, 493 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: because none of them discuss Israeli policy. If Israel stopped 494 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: any level of fighting at all, the issue would be 495 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 2: that Israel exists. That's their issue, that's the fundamental I 496 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: didn't make this up. All you have to do is 497 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 2: listen to them. So as long as Israel exists, they 498 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: will continue to be these people. And when Israel doesn't exist, 499 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: do you think they're gonna stop? Be like, Okay, we 500 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: got that done. Everybody enjoy your vacation. Yeah, yeah, go 501 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 2: find something else to do. I suggest you take up knitting. 502 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 2: Is that how the quote unquote activist works. You set 503 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: their whole life to a task, they achieved the task, 504 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden it's over. It's not the 505 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 2: way they work. What is the impediment to my goal? 506 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 2: And my goal is always ever being pushed away. I'm 507 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: always ever chasing it. There's always some issue. If the 508 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: United States was a communist nation and somebody didn't get 509 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: their extra ration of dairy that month, they would say 510 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: it's because somewhere in a basement are two Republicans we 511 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: haven't gotten to yet. Let's go find them. They will 512 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: never ever be satisfied. Eurasia is always at war with 513 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: East Asia. I just want to make sure everybody's on 514 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: the same page here. There is no being satisfied for 515 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 2: the people who want to tear it all down. There 516 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: is no being satisfied for the people who will simply 517 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: state again and again and over and over. Our issue 518 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: is Israel's existence existence. Our issue is America's existence. Our 519 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: issue is you are in our way from some level 520 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: of world domination. 521 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: This is the problem. 522 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: They want, what they want, what they want what they want, 523 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: and what they want is not peace. What they want 524 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 2: is to destroy. What they want is power and control. 525 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: Everybody who is rational knows this. You I have not 526 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: told you anything new. Maybe I've given you some perspective, 527 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: but I. 528 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: Didn't teach anything new. 529 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: Right there, You know this to be the case. What 530 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: they're doing is showing you that it is completely the case. 531 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: And you have always been right this entire time. That's 532 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: what you're seeing more and more and more. 533 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: Why you're cheering Israel? Why are you cheering Trump? This 534 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: is this isn't the what we wanted. What we want 535 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 2: is for and then they have to admit it. But 536 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: the part to note is that they've always admitted it, 537 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: just some people don't want to listen. Some people actually 538 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: think that it's this. But just like you're, uh, we've 539 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: never been at war with East Asia. We've always been 540 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: at war with East Asia. To paraphrase right there, they 541 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: will now go from we need to cease fire to 542 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: Israel has to be returned to people who never own 543 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: the land we get with That turn is about to happen, 544 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: and you're going to watch it. And the people who've 545 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: been foaming at the mouth and screaming about East Asia screaming, 546 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: by the way, you know I'm quoting orwell right, who 547 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: have been screaming about this war has to stop and 548 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: we need a ceasefire, will now start screaming about Israel's existence. 549 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 2: And at that moment you will realize, in case you didn't, 550 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: that I was right, that those of us part of 551 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: this each and every day were right, that these people 552 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: aren't interested in a world of peace. They're interested in 553 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: a world of power and destruction and the subjugation of us. 554 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: At that moment, you will realize. 555 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: The real fight we are in, and we are in 556 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: the fight. I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today. 557 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: You've got a Chicago mayor who creates these ice freeze 558 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: zones to basically say I don't want federal agents in 559 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: my city in forcing them. How can a mayor get. 560 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 2: Away with saying no, I don't want the law enforced 561 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 2: in my city. This was the question I was asked 562 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: by Ed Henry yesterday on News Max. Tony Katz, Tony 563 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 2: Katz today, Great to be with you. It is the 564 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: Chicago mayor, Brendan Johnson. The shameful, as I would see it, 565 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: and based on all metrics of performance, writing and putting 566 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: on executive orders saying we have ice free zones in Chicago. 567 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: We don't allow ice in these areas. 568 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: What in the world are they talking about an ice 569 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: free zone? And as I said to Ed Henry, oh 570 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: you mean like like gun free zones. Well, this is 571 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 2: the same argument as the gun free zone. When did 572 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 2: the gun free zone actually save a life? It only 573 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: kept law abiding people from being able to protect and 574 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: defend themselves and the ones that they love. 575 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: This is the argument you're making, The argument that is 576 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: the right one. 577 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 2: Why would you take the help you could work with 578 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: President Trump, but we've seen anything about. 579 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: Him he's willing to say, Okay, you don't want this, 580 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: but you want that. Great, it's a win. Let's go 581 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: do that. 582 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: You could work with him on one hundred different subjects 583 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 2: in one hundred different ways, and this is one of them, 584 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: and none of them are capable of turning to their 585 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 2: progressive base and saying this is better for all of us. 586 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 2: It's seen as collaborating with Trump. Then you're the enemy, 587 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 2: and then things get worse for them politically. And that's 588 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: just a story about how the progressives react when nothing 589 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: goes their way. 590 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: And I think I've got that pretty accurate. 591 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 2: That these governors should be going to Trump and saying, hey, 592 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: how about this, how about that? How about the other? 593 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: Try this, try that, Let's not do this. We don't 594 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 2: want that, we could use this, how about Trump. 595 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: Trump's all in. He's all in. 596 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: He just wants people who who are at least connected 597 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 2: on the basic concept, and his basic concept isn't out 598 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 2: of the realm. 599 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,239 Speaker 1: The city is unsafe. We can make it safer. But 600 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: yet the left wants to tell us that the city 601 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: is fine. 602 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 2: And the left wants tell us we don't want him here, 603 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 2: and the left wants to tell us he's not allowed 604 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 2: to do this and allowed. The Ninth Circuit says that 605 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 2: he is. But some judge in Illinois is like, no, 606 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 2: you're not. The madness of members of the judiciary. We're 607 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 2: not asking whether you like it, We're asking whether or 608 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 2: not it's legal. But in the case of the of 609 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: Jabie Pritzker, for example, the governor of Illinois, how about 610 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 2: just being rational? 611 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: What do you have to lose? 612 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 2: And the answer is nothing except, of course, your progressive 613 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: base turning on you, and you want to run for 614 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 2: president and you want to show how tough you are. 615 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 2: That's what we are seeing right now. And that's what 616 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: the idea of an ice free zone is. Of course, 617 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 2: it has no teeth, it has no efficacy. 618 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: Nobody thinks that it does. 619 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 2: It's it's ridiculous problem of a child. What else would 620 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 2: you expect from Brandon Johnson? And then he would say 621 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 2: to me that because I said that, that I'm a racist, 622 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 2: And I would tell him he can kiss my racist. 623 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: I'm not paying any attention to the madness, and neither 624 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 2: should you. They don't work with Trump because their base 625 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: refuses it. Their base will turn on them, and they 626 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 2: are scared of their base. The people want the help. 627 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 2: And I didn't say you had to accept all of it. 628 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 2: I didn't say there were in places you could be 629 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 2: like nope. 630 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: But that yes, those resources, yes, those dollars, yes, why not? 631 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 2: It really is maddening. And then you've got those the 632 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 2: childlike antics of a mayor with his ice free zones, 633 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 2: as if that's doing something. These people don't do anything, 634 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 2: and that's the problem. 635 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: Find everything at Tony Katz dot com. 636 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: Be sure to subscribe over there, I'd greatly appreciate it, 637 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: and YouTube that livestream Monday through Friday. 638 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash Tony Katz. I'll catch you Monday everyone. 639 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: You'd be good now. A gues