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Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel do you believe these characters are weirdos? Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: my name is Nigel Jason Hammer. Right over there with

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Speaker 1: the very special guest on the hotline.

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Speaker 2: One of our favorites is the president of the Fraternal

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Speaker 2: Order of Police, Lodge eighty six, Rick Snyder, joins us. Rick,

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Speaker 2: let's get down to it here. We've been talking a

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Speaker 2: lot about what's going on with the alleged killer of

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Speaker 2: Elwood officer Noah shannav Oz. This is a guy that

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Speaker 2: has had multiple psychiatrists testify to a judge that he's

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Speaker 2: not mentally competent to stay in trial, and ultimately the

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Speaker 2: judge has basically stated, all right, I agree, We're gonna

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Speaker 2: send him away to some rehab facility and we'll check

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Speaker 2: back in again here in about ninety days. I don't

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Speaker 2: like the trend here, Rick, I feel like some of

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Speaker 2: these killers and scumbags are doing this on purpose. That's

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Speaker 3: What about you, Well, guys, I think you're right. It's

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Speaker 3: the trend that you're seeing all across our state, but

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Speaker 3: really all across our country, which is the abuse of

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Speaker 3: the so called competency determinations. You know, they said that

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Speaker 3: the offender in this case lacked the ability to understand

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Speaker 3: the criminal proceedings and was unable to assist in preparation

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Speaker 3: of their defense. Here's the point in my response, You've

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Speaker 3: got to be kidding me. He didn't have any problems

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Speaker 3: dumping thirty six rounds into a cop and he didn't

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Speaker 3: have any problems understanding right from wrong when he then

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Speaker 3: a hand fashioned, handcrafted, pre made knife while awaiting trial.

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Speaker 3: Yet here we sit with defense lawyers who first tried

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Speaker 3: that eventually. And now we see that everything keeps getting

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Speaker 3: blamed on this issue of mental health. The guys, here's

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Speaker 3: what the message is. Evil is evil, and the more

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Speaker 3: we dismiss it, the more we make excuses for it,

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Speaker 3: the more apt we are to be bitten by it.

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Speaker 3: And what you're seeing as the remaining junk judicial exhaust

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Speaker 3: of what we have called the Stoner Special Judge Mark Stoner,

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Speaker 3: who gave a lenient sentence to the same cop killer

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Speaker 3: years prior in Indianapolis when he was convicted for trying

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Speaker 3: it's something that's got to change. We're hopeful that we'll

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Speaker 3: see a change after this treatment plan that he is on.

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Speaker 3: But I think it ultimately begs the question, do the

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Speaker 3: health examinations It would be in our I seem to

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Speaker 1: My old point is what incentive does this subhuman now

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Speaker 1: have to quote unquote get rehabilitated so he has the

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Speaker 3: Well, and guys, what you're seeing are judges like Judge

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Speaker 3: cop killer in the officer Brian Leaf case, yes you know,

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Speaker 3: Yet even in that Judge Stoner sought out himself the

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Speaker 3: That's what we're dealing with. And that's why we say

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Speaker 3: the sanctity of life for the victims. People forget those folks.

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Speaker 3: The victims must mean more than the personal opinions and

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Speaker 2: One more thing on this before we move on, because

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Speaker 2: But what do we do in situations Rick, where you've

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Speaker 3: Well, I think a judicial review has to step through

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Speaker 3: Madison County prosecutor is more than prepared to move forward

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Speaker 3: folks across Indiana have to be concerned with what's occurring

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Speaker 3: I think most anyone would know that if this was

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Speaker 3: no one would advocate that. But if the roles were reversed,

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Speaker 3: you're telling me this is the same approach they would take.

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Speaker 3: We throw the BS flag on that. And we should

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Speaker 2: Speaking with Rick Sneider, President of the Fraternal Order of Police,

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Speaker 2: Lodge eighty six here in Indy, Rick, this may be

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Speaker 2: the last time we speak before the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: So big picture here, where is Indy at in terms

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Speaker 2: What should speak volumes that they have to celebrate when

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Speaker 3: Well, We're currently at one hundred and fifty nine homicides

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Speaker 3: No one is dismissing that. But the key indicator that

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Speaker 3: Chief Bailey hedging his comments by saying, this is no victory,

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Speaker 3: this is not satisfactory. We know there is still plenty

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Speaker 3: of more work to do, but it's important to note this.

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Speaker 3: Our officers and our detectives have busted their asses to

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Speaker 3: So our challenge to Indianapolis is let's get below one

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Speaker 1: And in spite of a shortage of IMPD officers, what

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Speaker 1: does recruitment and no doubt retention, what does recruitment and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we just put a class of twenty five in.

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Speaker 3: We've got a commitment for three classes in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 3: which is huge. And you know that's a great point, Nigel.

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Speaker 3: All of that was done by our officers literally with

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Speaker 3: So it's just an unbelievable work by our officers. There

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Speaker 2: Got a couple of minutes left here with Rick Snyder

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Speaker 2: he's the president of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge

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Speaker 2: President Trump's been speaking a lot lately about legalization of marijuana,

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Speaker 2: not to the point to where it's totally legal at

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Speaker 2: the federal level, but lesser charges for those who get busted.

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Speaker 1: With it, Schedule one to a Schedule three. I believe

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Speaker 1: right that's at a federal level.

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Speaker 2: I know states can do their own thing here. We

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Speaker 2: I'm curious what Rick Snyder thinks about the possible legalization

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Speaker 3: Well, it's probably not the most popular, but I do

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Speaker 3: It's not a final decision. Rick.

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Speaker 2: One more thing here before we let you go, and

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Speaker 2: You go all over the country. I've seen you do baptisms.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you right now to be chaplain

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Speaker 2: Rick Snyder, and if this is the last time we

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Speaker 2: take into the holidays.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're in twenty twenty five, guys, getting ready to

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Speaker 3: But it's important to remember twenty and twenty five AD,

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Speaker 3: A savior was born and is Christ the Lord. But

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Speaker 3: and forgive us for our sins. But he was also buried,

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Speaker 3: and according to the scriptures, he rose again three days later,

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Speaker 3: and he walked upon this earth. He's gone back into heaven.

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Speaker 3: The guys, here's the real kicker, and he's coming back.

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Speaker 3: So the Great message for us to think this Christmas

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Speaker 3: of us, anyone listening to this, that He gave. There's

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Speaker 3: the gifts his only begotten son, and that whoever that's

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Speaker 3: all races, nations and peoples, whoever believes in him, shall

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Speaker 3: not perish, but have everlasting life. And He didn't send

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Speaker 3: him to condemn us, but to save us. And it's

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Speaker 3: all free of charge. So remember as we close, the

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Speaker 3: true value of a gift is what one gives gives

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Speaker 3: up to give it. So that tells me that you

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Speaker 3: hammer you, Nigel, and anyone listening to this, if they

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Speaker 3: believe you, must be pretty special, my friend. Don't forget that.

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Speaker 3: That's why we say marry Christmas. Christmas, be blessed, and

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Speaker 3: have a prosperous New Year. We love you guys.

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Speaker 2: Reck youd been so good to our show and I

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Speaker 2: am honored to consider you a friend. And God bless

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Speaker 2: you your family, the officers that you're overseeing right now,

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Speaker 2: and I look forward to more conversations in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, hey, we love you. Nothing you can do

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Speaker 3: about it. Be blessed,