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Speaker 3: You're going to bankrupt your mama's company.

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Speaker 2: On ninety three to five and one oh seven five,

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Speaker 7: Yesterday Colts Radio Network, Rick Venturi's voice you heard as

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Speaker 7: My name is Jake Quarry Eddie Garrison. The other voice

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Speaker 7: We don't know, and it is well within her right

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Speaker 1: Still waiting to hear back from Don Fisher. I hope

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Speaker 1: he's not already like celebrating or just in total prent

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Speaker 1: mode for the Hoosiers game against the Alabama Crimson Tide

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. We have just received word from the Powers

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Speaker 1: at Beat from Ton Meyer Jake Quay that we will

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Speaker 1: have in IU football postseason special right here on the

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Speaker 1: fan tomorrow night at seven o five, So be on

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Speaker 1: the lookout for that. Hopefully we can track down Don

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Speaker 1: and we can talk about that a little bit more.

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Speaker 8: But Mike Chapple at one o'clock he'll join us to

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Speaker 8: talk about the Colts, and then Brian Nubert from Golden

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Speaker 8: Black playing their final non conference game tonight and he

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Speaker 8: will join us at two thirty.

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Speaker 7: And again Indiana getting set to go out to Pasadena.

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Speaker 7: So I certainly understand that there probably is a lot

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Speaker 7: going on for Don Fisher as well. We will continue

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Speaker 7: this conversation in case we don't talk to Fish about

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Speaker 7: where the Colts go from here.

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Speaker 5: And I would love to know.

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Speaker 7: I do want to know, and I have a feeling

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Speaker 7: and I'm not trying to sit here and say I'm

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Speaker 7: going to hand out pitchforks. There might be some of

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Speaker 7: you that believe that Ballard and Steichen and I do

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Speaker 7: like Shane Steikin. I think Shane Steichen actually shows some

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Speaker 7: flash as a coach. And I think I'm in the

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Speaker 7: minority there, but I'd like to know it. Two nine

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Speaker 7: ten seventy. You can text or call us two three

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Speaker 7: nine ten seventy, preferably want to hear from you on

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Speaker 7: what you think. Are you completely out on this? Are

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Speaker 7: you upset or are you giving it pass because of

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Speaker 7: the injuries. That's the conversation that's what I want to

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Speaker 7: hear from you folks. And yes, we'll get into a

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Speaker 7: little bit of speaking of seismic change college basketball and

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Speaker 7: where it might be headed. That's a conversation that Brian

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Speaker 7: Knuburn and I are going to have coming up to the

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Speaker 7: two o'clock hour chap at one o'clock another quarterback that

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Speaker 7: was just signed by the Colts.

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Speaker 5: What does that mean?

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Speaker 7: We'll get into all of it your thoughts as well

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Speaker 7: at two through nine, ten seventy Monday edition. Querying Company

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Speaker 7: here in ninety three five one h seventy five to

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Speaker 7: Fan Eddie, I think we've officially moved in. They just

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Speaker 7: gave us parking passes.

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Speaker 3: Word.

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Speaker 5: Just get your parking pass word.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 7: Now the parking pass hangs from the rear view mirror.

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Speaker 7: But anymore, doesn't it seem like rear view mirrors are

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Speaker 7: like computerized objects that don't have the big arm that

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Speaker 7: hangs down from them as much anymore. They're like a

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Speaker 7: fixed in the windshield, so to speak.

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Speaker 5: You know I'm talking about I do not like my

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Speaker 5: rear view mirror.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't have necessarily the like I think the old

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Speaker 7: school ones had a longer arm that you could hang

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Speaker 7: things from. The one that I have now is more

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Speaker 7: like a fixed into the windshield, and then it robotically

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Speaker 7: moves as opposed to me moving it manually.

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Speaker 5: Either way, I'll find a way to me.

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Speaker 1: You just have a helugi.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Rear view mirror, Jake is mine. I have to move manually,

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Speaker 1: by the way.

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Speaker 7: Before we get into the phone calls Ashley, I the

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Speaker 7: rest of you at two thirty nine, ten seventy on

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Speaker 7: the Colts, I had did you see my semi viral

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Speaker 7: experience over the weekend, Eddie, which was totally bizarre?

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Speaker 3: What was that?

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Speaker 9: So?

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Speaker 5: I was driving.

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Speaker 7: And I realized my windshield I had a windshield wiper

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Speaker 7: go fubar. While I was driving, and I was on

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Speaker 7: the near east side, and I just happened to be

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Speaker 7: by a large automotive superstore, and so I pulled in and.

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Speaker 5: I was on the phone with someone.

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Speaker 7: And as I was on the phone, I happened to mention,

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Speaker 7: you know, yeah, I've got to get winshield. I have

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Speaker 7: no idea like what sort of wipers my car takes

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Speaker 7: whatever else. The employee overheard that, waited until I was

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Speaker 7: off the phone, and then said did you need help

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Speaker 7: with your winshild wipers?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I do, actually, so I bought them.

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Speaker 7: And then the employee said, I said, I have no

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Speaker 7: idea how to put these on. Yeah, I'm an idiot whatever,

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Speaker 7: laugh at me. I don't fine, and she said why,

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Speaker 7: I can do that for you. So she goes out

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Speaker 7: puts it on for me and everything else. But she'd

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Speaker 7: looked it up, looked up the model number, and very helpful.

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Speaker 7: And I do this with and so when I got

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Speaker 7: the receipt in huge block letters at the top of

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Speaker 7: the receipt, it says store oh one nine three whatever.

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Speaker 7: And I've done this period. I do it a lot

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Speaker 7: with airlines, whatever else. But I sent a tweet to

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Speaker 7: the company and just said, hey, you know what I

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Speaker 7: was in store oh one nine da da, and your

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Speaker 7: customer or your employee was very helpful and you're lucky

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Speaker 7: to have her. And somehow or another that got fed

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Speaker 7: into the bot form of robotic replies of you know,

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Speaker 7: you name it. It became this polarizing political, racially, divisive

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Speaker 7: whatever else, to the point where then I ended up

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Speaker 7: muting it. But the last that I checked it had

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Speaker 7: I think three point seven million interactions and none of that.

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Speaker 5: Is are people. I mean, I get it.

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Speaker 7: It's a fascinating observation of like social media in twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty five. But I digress has nothing to do with

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Speaker 7: the cults I realized. But Ashley and I, among others,

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Speaker 7: would like to talk about exactly that. We will begin

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Speaker 7: with Ashley and I believe Ashley, you are a repeat

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Speaker 7: caller to the program.

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Speaker 5: Is that correct? What's up?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 9: I mean, this is the first time I've actually made

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Speaker 9: it through I think.

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Speaker 7: Really, so this is anyway breaking news. Thirty six female

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Speaker 7: listeners now of this program. Female listener number thirty six,

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Speaker 7: we greatly appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: All right, your thoughts.

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Speaker 9: All because you guys that I've actually learned football without

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Speaker 9: having to watch football, So that feels awesome.

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Speaker 1: First of all.

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Speaker 9: Secondly, I had a dream right before Dan Jones was

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Speaker 9: out for the season about my husband throwing a fit

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00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 9: and he's throwing stuff around and he never does that

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Speaker 9: in real life, and I was like, what is your problem?

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Speaker 9: You know? He's like, our quarterback is done, and I

558
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Speaker 9: was like, so you're going to tear the room up.

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Speaker 9: He's like, it's my shit, I'll do what I want.

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Speaker 9: And I was like, Okay, two days later, Dan Jones

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Speaker 9: is out.

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Speaker 5: For the season.

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Speaker 11: I just trip him out.

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Speaker 9: So I thought that was kind of crazy. And I

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Speaker 9: just feel like maybe there's personal reasons that our backup, backup,

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Speaker 9: whatever quarterback is not playing, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: So you're talking about Anthony Richardson and you think that

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Speaker 7: anthwer Now, now let me ask you this, Ashally, do

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Speaker 7: you think there's any chance at Ashley richards or that

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Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson might have called a radio show and inadvertently

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Speaker 7: sworn on the air and that's why he was penalized.

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Instead, all right, Ashley, listen, now, did you have any

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Speaker 7: other let me ask you this, do you have any

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Speaker 7: other premonition that has happened about either the Colts or

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Speaker 7: people of this radio show?

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Speaker 9: I'm so far again, no, but if I do, I

578
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Speaker 9: will call you back late.

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Speaker 7: We would love to know that. All right, Ashley, First off,

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Speaker 7: and I appreciate the call. Good point on Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 7: Is there something personal? I don't think it's personal in

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Speaker 7: the form of a personality conflict, but I do believe

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Speaker 7: it just appears as though there is no other And

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Speaker 7: I get that Anthony Richardson has been hurt. I get it,

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Speaker 7: and I get that the I'm not making light of

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Speaker 7: the eye energy injury in any way, shape or form,

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Speaker 7: and it is a terribly unfortunate circumstance that led to

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Speaker 7: his year being completed. Because I do believe that he

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Speaker 7: has done for the year. They only have one game left.

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Speaker 7: But I also believe that if Shane Stiken, so long

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Speaker 7: as he is the head coach of the Colts, that

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Speaker 7: Shane Steiken has completely turned the page on Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 7: and not knowing who the general manager is going to be,

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Speaker 7: may well be Chris Ballard. The slippery slope for the

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Speaker 7: Colts moving forward is this, if Daniel Jones is not

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Speaker 7: available at the outset of next season, and he may

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Speaker 7: well be, but if he is not available through camp

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Speaker 7: or in week one, week two, week three, but let's

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Speaker 7: just say the first few weeks of regular season, counting

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Speaker 7: games and training camp, if Daniel Jones is not available,

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Speaker 7: the Colts are in a predicament because there are few

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Speaker 7: quarterbacks that they can have steady the ship and handle

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Speaker 7: the wheel for them that would not be messy handoffs.

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Speaker 7: If Anthony Richardson is handling the first string quarterback duties

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Speaker 7: through training camp, through the preseason, and let's say for

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Speaker 7: a game or two and shows competence and flash. Because

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Speaker 7: of his size, his athleticism, his age, and where and

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Speaker 7: how he was acquired, there is going to be a

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Speaker 7: wave of people that believe that should be the guy.

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Speaker 7: And then how do you ask those fans to have

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Speaker 7: faith in it when you hand the keys over from

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Speaker 7: that over to then Daniel Jones or back to Daniel

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Speaker 7: Jones Riley Leonard. If you have Riley Leonard and he

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Speaker 7: shows a little bit of promise, people are going to say,

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Speaker 7: this guy's young, he could be the next Rock Party?

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Speaker 7: Why are we started? Why are we Let's continue to

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Speaker 7: see what he's doing, and it becomes kind of messy.

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Speaker 7: That's another predicament they're in. And if Shane Steigen's the

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Speaker 7: head coach or whoever comes in as dead coach, it's

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Speaker 7: one of the land mindes that you've got to navigate

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Speaker 7: through wearing clown shoes, and that becomes a challenge. Does

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Speaker 7: that also lend itself towards Therefore, it's going to be

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Speaker 7: more difficult to find a GM or a coach that

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Speaker 7: wants to take on this situation.

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Speaker 5: Ike is up next? I like, Ike, what's up? Ike?

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Speaker 3: How are you doing?

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Speaker 5: Jay? I'm well, thank you.

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Speaker 12: Yes.

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Speaker 3: My whole take on.

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Speaker 13: This is at the NFL level, at any level, you

631
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Speaker 13: can go all the way back to high school, grace

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Speaker 13: who the teams that win have good coaches.

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Speaker 11: And that's what it all boils down to.

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Speaker 9: You.

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Speaker 3: Look at all the.

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Speaker 11: Coaches that win in the NFL, no matter where they go,

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Speaker 11: they win good case in points. Look at New England.

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Speaker 11: Where was that coach at last? He was at Tennessee.

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Speaker 11: He was always in the playoffs. In the minute he leaves,

640
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Speaker 11: they just fall apart. Then he goes to New England.

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Speaker 11: The team it was a joke last year And now

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Speaker 11: looking at him. So I'm just hitting and do we

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Speaker 11: get the right head coach? We're gonna just keep spinning

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Speaker 11: our wheels. We know, keep wondering this's a quarterback?

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Speaker 5: Is this?

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Speaker 11: Is it that?

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Speaker 3: But do we get the right head coach?

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Speaker 11: We're not going to.

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Speaker 5: Win, are you?

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Speaker 7: And so you and and I'm not trying to put

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Speaker 7: words in him out So you don't believe that Shane

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Speaker 7: Steichen is that guy.

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Speaker 11: No, no, no way, He's not the gamik at his record,

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Speaker 11: you know, we made the playoffs with him.

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Speaker 3: Though you know, he's a good guy.

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Speaker 11: I'm not knocking the guy as a person. He's great

657
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 11: whether the head coach, he's just not head coach material

658
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 11: and we'll never win with him. We can keep him

659
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 11: for one hundred years and we'll never win with him.

660
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 11: So that's my take.

661
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Speaker 5: My thing is this. I think you make a good point.

662
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 5: Here's the thing.

663
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 7: There is some relatability for all of us as to

664
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 7: what makes a great head coach in the NFL, or

665
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 7: at least a good head coach in the NFL. There's

666
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 7: an area that all of you can relate to, which

667
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 7: I'll tell you next great point from Mike two through nine,

668
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 7: ten seventy telephone number, Mike Chappell coming up fifteen minutes

669
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 7: or so from now. The Colts have signed a new

670
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 7: quarterback to the practice squad. Interesting this time of year,

671
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 7: because then you wonder, wait a minute, is this like

672
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 7: an emergency quarterback in case they are making a change.

673
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 5: Doesn't it feel that way, Eddie?

674
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: Is it is that the new backup for Sunday.

675
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 7: Seth Hennigan has been signed to the practice squad?

676
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 5: You wonder, you wonder, can you.

677
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: Name where Seth Hennigan went to college excellent.

678
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 5: Qu my favorite game, as you know, are you looking

679
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 5: at it right now?

680
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: I knew because they worked him out a couple of

681
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: weeks ago.

682
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 5: Okay, uh is it a Power five conference?

683
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: I got to remember what conference are in first and foremost?

684
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 5: Now? Uh? Sure? Okay?

685
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 7: Is it a give me the bowl game that you

686
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 7: would guesstimate that he would have played in during his

687
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 7: college years?

688
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 5: What's a typical bowl for this team?

689
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Not a power five? Not a power five conference?

690
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 5: Okay? Then, secondly and last is I'll go with Nevada.

691
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: No, they're a basketball school.

692
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 5: A basketball school.

693
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: They're currently known for their basketball more than football.

694
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 5: Okay.

695
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: They have a former pro as their head coach Memphis.

696
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: That would be correct.

697
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 7: No matter what line of work you're in, Eddie, give

698
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 7: me a professional off the top of your head, plumber, plumber,

699
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 7: So people would say to a plumber, you know, I mean,

700
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 7: I know I could call the plumber, but I can

701
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 7: I can do it myself. I watched a YouTube video

702
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 7: on I mean, how hard is it? You get two pipes,

703
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 7: you put them together, You get the little round thing

704
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 7: that goes in there and screw it together. There you

705
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 7: go fix my plumbing problem.

706
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: Well, don't forget you need the plumber stave as.

707
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 5: Well well, and the plumber's crack.

708
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 7: And then and people at that point, though, they get

709
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 7: into the job, and then what happens. You ended up

710
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 7: with a flooded basement, parts all over the place, and

711
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 7: you're like, I guess I do need to call the plumber,

712
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 7: because there's more to it than just putting together two pipes.

713
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 7: There's more to it than that in this job. And

714
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that I'm good at it.

715
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 5: I'm not. I don't know that.

716
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 7: I mean I honestly, but I understand and I respect

717
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 7: and I appreciate that people will say to me on

718
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 7: a fairly regular basis, you know I could do your job.

719
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 5: I love sports.

720
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 7: I probably know most more about sports than the guy

721
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 7: I hear talking about it on the radio. I totally understand.

722
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 7: There are people listening to my voice right now that

723
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 7: know far more about Like they knew right off the

724
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 7: top of their head. They knew it that the cult

725
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 7: owner Jim Mersay were two fifty seven to one ninety

726
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 7: four and one. They knew it. They don't have to

727
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 7: look it up. There are people that know all of

728
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 7: those things, and I totally understand it. And yesterday when

729
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 7: I was doing the tailgate. As a matter of fact,

730
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 7: two people this weekend, Greg yesterday at the tailgate, Great

731
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 7: dude Jim, who I met at dinner on Saturday night.

732
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 7: Both of them pointed out something to me, and for

733
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 7: both of them, I said, I truly appreciate you saying that,

734
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 7: because they said, man, I can't imagine having to talk

735
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 7: for three hours without me, without you Eddie. They brought

736
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 7: me up, Well, hell, you think you've been gone for

737
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 7: three weeks. So one guy did say, is Eddie's head

738
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 7: really that big?

739
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 5: And I said, well it is.

740
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 7: And then he said, well, tell him he did a

741
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 7: good job with the fairground lights, and I said, well,

742
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 7: I'll let him know.

743
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: Thank you.

744
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 7: But there is so much more to this job than

745
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 7: just talking about sports, because you have to know what

746
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 7: time to take the breaks. You've got to be able

747
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 7: to talk with people talking in your You've got to

748
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 7: be able to you know, there are other factors that

749
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 7: go in. I'm not saying that we get some sort

750
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 7: of an award for it. It's what we do for

751
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 7: a living. But there is a lot more to it

752
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 7: than just talking and that's true of all of you

753
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 7: and any job that you do. And I think for

754
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 7: an NFL head coach, we say to ourselves, I could

755
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 7: do that, or other guys could do that, because how

756
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 7: hard can it be if you just simply know the game.

757
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 7: I'm sitting on my couch and I can't believe that

758
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 7: he didn't realize that he had an extra timeout to burn,

759
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 7: or he should have in that situation challenged that play.

760
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 7: And I'm not saying Shane Stikeen specifically, I'm just saying generically,

761
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 7: but I think that there's a lot more to being

762
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 7: a head coach in any sport, above and beyond simply

763
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 7: the x's and o's and the preparation. You know, I've

764
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 7: always thought Nick Saban and John Caliperi, I've always felt

765
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 7: like the brilliance of those two guys as coaches is

766
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 7: above and beyond the x'es and o's. Brad Stevens is

767
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 7: a fabulous x's and o's guy. Those Butler teams knew

768
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 7: where loose balls were going before the loose ball even

769
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 7: touched the rim. But Brad Stevens also, I remember once

770
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 7: years ago, I was at a Butler game. I was

771
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 7: working for Channel six, and I was just having a

772
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 7: casual conversation with Brad Stevens, who at that time was

773
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 7: not even the head coach.

774
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 5: He was like an assist I mean, he was an

775
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 5: assistant butler.

776
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 7: And he asked what high school games I'd been to recently,

777
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 7: and I mentioned a player that I had seen play

778
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 7: in a high school game from a smaller town in

779
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 7: northern Indiana that I was really impressed by. And he said, well,

780
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 7: what about you impressed you? What about him impressed you?

781
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 7: I should say, and you know, he just had this

782
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 7: knack for you know, and I'm listing the things on

783
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 7: the court, and Brad Stevens said, did you happen to

784
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 7: watch how he interacted when he wasn't on the floor?

785
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 7: And I said no, And he said, I'm just curious

786
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 7: if whether or not you think he could have been

787
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 7: a good butler, bulldog, but I want to know how

788
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,959
Speaker 7: he interacted when he wasn't on the floor, because there's

789
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 7: more to being a great player than just the x's

790
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 7: and o's. But Brad Stevens, who at that time was

791
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 7: a relatively unknown assistant coach, saying that to me, it

792
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 7: like popped a light bulb in my head of Gosh,

793
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 7: this guy's an assistant coach at a Horizon League program,

794
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 7: and he's going that in depth and analysis of a

795
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 7: player beyond the x's and o's and trying to figure

796
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 7: out the personality of a player and the makeup of

797
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 7: a player.

798
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 5: And that moment.

799
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 7: Was an epiphany for me of how much coaching is

800
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 7: above and beyond what we just simply think is the

801
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 7: job itself. How much of coaching And I'm not saying

802
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 7: Ike's wrong, Ike's probably right. I mean I'm saying this

803
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 7: in support of what Ike was saying as the caller.

804
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 7: So much of coaching is knowing when to go to

805
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 7: the commercial break, knowing how to talk with people talking

806
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 7: in your ear, knowing how to navigate through when there's

807
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 7: an engineering issue and people are stepping over you to

808
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 7: connect wires and you've got to make sure that nobody

809
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 7: else knows what's going on on the camera or off

810
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 7: the camera or whatever else. There are so many aspects

811
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 7: of the job. So much of coaching is knowing above

812
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 7: and beyond. It's knowing the right pipe that is able

813
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 7: to work in different atmospheres or different climates, cultures, whatever

814
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 7: it may be. Whatever goes into plumbing right, and I

815
00:44:54,360 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 7: think that meshing personality, understanding cohesiveness of the intertwine of

816
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 7: people of different backgrounds in a locker room, and getting

817
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 7: guys to respond and buy into a belief or a

818
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 7: where you're going, or overcoming adversity, all of those things

819
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 7: are such important factors to being a head coach, no

820
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 7: matter what level you're talking about, and seeing how pieces

821
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 7: work together and seeing how combinations come together, and sometimes

822
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 7: that's learned on the job. Plumbers have apprentices because you've

823
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 7: got to learn some of that stuff on the job.

824
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 7: And I think we have seen coaches in this town

825
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 7: that we can say we saw them learn on the job.

826
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 7: Rick Carlile. Rick Carlile is on the cusp of winning

827
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 7: his one thousandth game. The Pacers have been waiting for

828
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 7: it for a while now because I think they have

829
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 7: some stuff planned for him. But Rick Carlile is on

830
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 7: the cusp of winning his one thousandth game and games

831
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 7: in the NBA. Rick Carlile at one time was a

832
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 7: coach that was in Indiana and they bypassed Rick Carlisle

833
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 7: to hire Isaiah Thomas because at that time they didn't

834
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 7: feel like Rick Carlyle that it was in the best

835
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 7: circumstances and situation for him to learn even though he'd

836
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 7: been the apprentice, because there were still things that he

837
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 7: needed to learn, and so he went to Detroit. Then

838
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 7: he came back here. He learned those things and went

839
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 7: on to become a championship level coach and one of

840
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 7: the great coaches in the history of the game. But

841
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 7: you can see sometimes coaches grow before your eyes where

842
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 7: you go. You know what, Now that guy is a

843
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 7: pretty darn good coach, but wasn't necessarily in the beginning.

844
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 5: Perhaps, And I think.

845
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 7: That Shane Steichen has shown some improvement. But Eddie, the

846
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 7: point is he may still be. Maybe he is in

847
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 7: fact an O coordinator. Maybe that's his thing because he

848
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 7: knows often and I think that he has laser focused

849
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 7: on the x'es and o's of the inner workings of

850
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 7: play scheming. But maybe he is still learning the other

851
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 7: stuff of knowing how a guy performs when he's not

852
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 7: on the floor of the field, and the other such

853
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 7: personality messone that goes into it.

854
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: I think the other part of it too, is like

855
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: if you look at the teams that are for Ike pointing,

856
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: I think it was Ike pointed out earlier, just like

857
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: New England, Chicago, the teams for that matter, Indiana AU football.

858
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: If you look at these teams and how they've turned around,

859
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: all of these coaches demand things. They're very demanding with

860
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: how you prepare, with how you practice, with how you play,

861
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: the fine details and every single thing. And I just

862
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: don't know if that's in Shane Stiching like he's he

863
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: seems like he's a nice guy, but he just doesn't

864
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: have the little bit of a hole in him that

865
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: you need in order to be a head coach in

866
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: the NFL.

867
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 5: Yet. And that's my I'm not disagreeing with you.

868
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 7: I'm saying maybe the answer to that is yet Again,

869
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 7: that's one of the things the Colts have to assess.

870
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 7: Mike Chapel covers the Colts dean of it joins us

871
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 7: next so Colts yesterday on the short end of it

872
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 7: with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

873
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 5: By the way, Eddie. And I'm not saying this in

874
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 5: a hey, you were wrong, I was right. Whatever.

875
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 7: I'm genuinely asking because it does feel like and maybe

876
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 7: there's a little bit of a Sam Darnold question hanging

877
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 7: in the balance type factor to this But Trevor Lawrence

878
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 7: is one quarterback that you and I have discussed a lot,

879
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 7: because you know, I had so much expectation as to

880
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 7: who he could be because I watched him in college

881
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 7: and his pedigree and resume and all of that. And

882
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 7: obviously it has been very rough sledding in Jacksonville, and

883
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 7: you were pretty down on him. It's seems is though,

884
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 7: now that he is healthy, they've gotten some stability around him.

885
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 7: He has kind of taken a step into it, at

886
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 7: the very least some consistency. Do you still think of

887
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 7: him as because like Sam Donald, I think has had

888
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 7: a wonderful year in Seattle, But I don't know when

889
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 7: the game's on the line in an NFC title game whatever,

890
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 7: that I trust Sam Donald.

891
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: Right, because we haven't seen Sam Darnald do that yet.

892
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 5: So where do you think Trevor Lawrence is at this point?

893
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 5: After yesterday?

894
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: I think I told you last week that I've started

895
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: to shift to my thinking a little bit with how

896
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: i view Trevor Lawrence and the Jags, just because of

897
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: the way that Liam Cohen has been able to turn

898
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: things around by demanding certain things and he actually coach

899
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: coaches them hard to get the best out of his team,

900
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: and that has really really resurrected Trevor Lawrence's career. And

901
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: the other part too, is I have to give William

902
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: con a lot of credit. Is he finally realized where

903
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: trevor'ss are. It's you run the football and you get

904
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: him on these bootlegs and he is very accurate on

905
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: the run and he has an understanding now of where

906
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: the football needs to go. They changed things, as JP

907
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: Shadrick said earlier in the season, they were going from

908
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: him calling all the plays into his headset into the

909
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: huddle he has to relate it to the guys and

910
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: then say like, hey, can we just go to o

911
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: Risband And now they simplify things that way. And that

912
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: Jacksonville offense, now that they've added Jacoby Myers, has been

913
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: a problem. And the one thing I think people haven't

914
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: really talked about with Jacksonville lately is they don't have

915
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter at there and like, how's that going to

916
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: look next year?

917
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 5: And they've gotten a.

918
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: Lot of really good games and reps out of Parker

919
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: Washington lately. Brian Thomas Junior is still a factor.

920
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 5: At Washington was huge yesterday.

921
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: No question about it's been over one hundred yards in

922
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 1: each of the last two games.

923
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 7: Now, it's funny the two best teams in the AFC

924
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 7: might be the two that nobody's talking about right now

925
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 7: in New England and Jacksonville, at least in terms of

926
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,200
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927
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928
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929
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930
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 7: I'll begin with this before we get into talking about

931
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 7: maybe some of the rest of the AFC. The Colts

932
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 7: do do have a game left. We know that uh

933
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 7: seemingly meaningless in terms of what it means for their

934
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 7: you know, postseason that's done. Where do the Colts go

935
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 7: from here?

936
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 5: Chap?

937
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 7: In your opinion, I guess I'll begin with where do

938
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 7: you think they will go? What do you think Carly

939
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 7: Ursa Gordon ends up doing?

940
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 13: Wow?

941
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 3: If I had to put your salary on the bet, uh,

942
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 3: let me see, there's aren't There's three options, right, It's

943
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: you bring them back everybody, you blow it up, and

944
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: you bring it back with probably getting rid of Chris

945
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 3: moving on from Chris Powder. But those are the three

946
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: primary op You could bring back Chris and get rid

947
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 3: of Shane Stikeen, which would make no sense to me

948
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 3: because Tyking's proven pretty good when you when you give

949
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 3: him stability, even with a marginal quarterback. I'll tell you stingstacking,

950
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: getting getting Gardner Minshew a fifteen million dollar free agent

951
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 3: contract from the Raiders his monster, I mean, one play.

952
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: Away from that.

953
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: So yeah, boy, I maybe we've talked on this. Maybe

954
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: it's just the best guys in the in the media room.

955
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 3: My gut says, and I'll duck when I say this,

956
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 3: that they're going to bring it back. This, she'll bring

957
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 3: it back. This is the argument I'll make, and then

958
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 3: I'll change my mind. But I think Carly is going

959
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: to sit there and say, you know, when we were

960
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: seven and one and eight and two, we were pretty

961
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 3: damn good. I mean, we were good, and I don't

962
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 3: want to hear this garbage on the social media that well,

963
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: you know they were regressing before this, No, they were regressing.

964
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 3: They regressed when Daniel Jones broke his leg. He played

965
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 3: two games of the broken leg. Fractured, yes, fracture break break,

966
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: it's a broken leg and then the achilles and that

967
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: was compounded monsterly by Anthony Richardson not being available because

968
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: of his uh freak injury. I'm convinced that if that

969
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,479
Speaker 3: injury doesn't happen, they're in the playoffs because Richardson would

970
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: have done enough and they wouldn't have bothered Philip Rivers

971
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 3: out of retirement. So I in what I can't get

972
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 3: out of my mind too, is that I believe she

973
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: was pretty much behind not pretty buch I the issues

974
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: behind most of the things that Chris did in the

975
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 3: off season, you know, the big contracts forward and buying

976
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 3: them and Jones, you know, not so much Jones, but

977
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: then that's certainly the giving up two verse round picks

978
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 3: for sauce. Gardner told me that they were locked in

979
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 3: on this roster now, not just for this year, not

980
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 3: just for this year, but for the next few years,

981
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: and that meant investing something in the off season in

982
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: bringing Daniel Jones back, which in my mind they said, well,

983
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 3: now the dynamics have changed. But I just think that

984
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 3: the moves that have been made, and I understand, I

985
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: understand the fan base is done. They are so over

986
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 3: nine years of two playoffs and one win, and I

987
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: understand it, and I can't talk you off of that

988
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 3: ledge at all. But I just think to reset now

989
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: would would be difficult because the year to reset is

990
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: it in twenty twenty six when most of the guys,

991
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: a lot of the really major players, their contracts are up.

992
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 3: You know Buck although who knows if he comes back

993
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 3: from this, or Needd dic surgery, Jonathan Taylor, Pittman, Quinton

994
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 3: and on or on, and that that's when it seems

995
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 3: like is when if you're going to blow it up,

996
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 3: that's when you do it. So and could they fire

997
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 3: Chris Batter and bring in a GM and say, by

998
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 3: the way, here's your head coach and your quarterback. Yes,

999
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 3: I don't think that works very often. They didn't work

1000
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: with Chris and Chuck Bergano, although they're different, different scenarios.

1001
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 3: So I can, I can. I can hear her sit

1002
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 3: up there if and when she talks, and and she

1003
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 3: will be as as rational and as objective as she

1004
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 3: can be, and you'll either buy into what she's saying

1005
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: or you won't. And I understand people that won't.

1006
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 9: Uh.

1007
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: I just think this is this is one of those

1008
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: squarely years, where again, Chris Bauder did so many things

1009
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 3: that a lot of us have been saying, hey, why

1010
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: don't you, you know, deviate and do this, and he

1011
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 3: gives that the two biggest free agent contracts of his tenure,

1012
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 3: and the Sauce Gardner trade was I mean that just

1013
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: that told you they thought this team was was poised

1014
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: to do something special. And then your quarterback gets hurt

1015
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 3: and then the backup quarterback was already hurt. So very

1016
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 3: few teams can overcome. I understand the Niners did this,

1017
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 3: that and the other, but but keep in mind the

1018
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 3: Niners went when Rock Perty got hurt, they had Mac Jones.

1019
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 3: So that's what I was saying, is is that when

1020
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: Jones gets when Daniel Jones gets hurt, they've got ar

1021
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 3: then then we're probably not having in this discussion.

1022
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 5: So that's fair. Let me ask you this, chap, go ahead.

1023
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 5: Do you have siblings?

1024
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: Yes?

1025
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 5: Are you? They're older or younger than you?

1026
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 3: A little ower, about a year older?

1027
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 5: Okay.

1028
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 7: The reason I ask, for example, when I went to

1029
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 7: high school, big jump to go from middle school to

1030
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 7: high school, you know, especially a big school like North Central, right,

1031
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 7: you know, oh, you're gonna get lost in the hallways

1032
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 7: and you know, you freshmen get put in lockers, you

1033
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 7: know whatever. And I had an older sister who was

1034
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 7: a senior, and I had a cousin that was a junior,

1035
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 7: and there was a comfort for me no knowing that

1036
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 7: I was getting ready to go into a new venture,

1037
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 7: into a new building. We all have that comfort in

1038
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 7: like the older brother or the older sibling that can

1039
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 7: kind of just look after us. Do you think that

1040
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 7: there's the possibility that that, you know, Carl Orse Gordon

1041
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 7: going into this knowing yes, I realized that she this

1042
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 7: is she's had a full season as the primary owner here,

1043
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 7: but she's really going into her first full off season

1044
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 7: of decisions and moves. May she actually see Chris Ballard

1045
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 7: is kind of the big brother of the comfort familiarity

1046
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 7: and a world otherwise unfamiliar that she can kind of

1047
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 7: lean on here for another year or so and that

1048
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 7: will buy him time.

1049
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: I guess.

1050
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 3: But I again, that's gonna be a you're gonna have again.

1051
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 3: She's gonna have to understand that that she will be

1052
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 3: shouting at the masses who won't be listening to her.

1053
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: But that's why I don't well, I think she understands

1054
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 3: that she won't be driven by the fan base. She

1055
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 3: can't be she can't be swayed by well, you know,

1056
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: twenty five percent of the fan base. Well bull onely,

1057
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 3: that's what we're hearing now, And I understand it is

1058
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: the very, very loud minority. And it's not a small

1059
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 3: minority that's set up with what's going on here. It's

1060
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 3: it's it's middle ground. It's it's they're gonna win eight

1061
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 3: or nine games again for what the third straight year

1062
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 3: under understriking. So I yes, there's that comfort level, but

1063
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 3: that's a dangerous thing to do too, is to say, well,

1064
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to lean on Chris's experts.

1065
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 5: That's no, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm

1066
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 5: just saying.

1067
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I guess. But but she's the one thing

1068
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: that people need to understand. And I'm I know, I'm

1069
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 3: not wrong with this. This is not the first year

1070
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: she's she's had the heavy hand in guiding this team.

1071
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 3: It's not you know, Jim wasn't in the best of

1072
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: health the last couple of years. She's taken on a

1073
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 3: much much stronger role. Now Jim always head, you know,

1074
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 3: veto power because it's his team. But I think the

1075
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: last couple of years, I'm won't go too much farther

1076
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 3: than two years. She's had a heavy hand in things.

1077
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: And that's why when people say, oh, I wonder what

1078
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: her relationship is gonna be with ballor now that, well,

1079
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 3: it's been tight. She's trust him, she's believed in him. Uh,

1080
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: it's just going to be does she does? She believe

1081
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 3: that he no longer can do the rebuilding of what

1082
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: of what he's had a hand in not getting done.

1083
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 3: That's that's the thing. And when people shout that nine

1084
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 3: years is enough, yes it is, Yes it is. And

1085
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 3: but but just to say he's done nothing is wrong.

1086
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 3: You know, I'm on board that he's that he's not

1087
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 3: been able to get a pass rusher. He hasn't despite

1088
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: a lot of investment draft capital. I would argue his

1089
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 3: best pass rushers have been free agents in Godway and

1090
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 3: jessin Houston, Dinko Watfrey. Uh so, I just I just

1091
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 3: in the quarterback thing is something that yes, they get

1092
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 3: over the shot after a year or two of luck,

1093
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 3: and then then dog gonna get it fixed. And they haven't,

1094
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 3: although it looked like they did until Jones got hurt

1095
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 3: because I'm telling you they were pretty good. Now, we

1096
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 3: could argue the defense is that and the other, but

1097
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 3: they were getting their defense together. And oh, by the way,

1098
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 3: Mooney Award misses ten games with three concussions. I mean,

1099
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: you don't. You can't prepare for that. You lose, you

1100
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 3: lose Buckner, who is You're, in my mind, the most

1101
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 3: indispensable defensive player. If you told me this past game,

1102
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: I could have Buckner or a Sauce Carter, I'd take

1103
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 3: Buckner as good as Sauce Gardner is. But that's why

1104
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 3: I say it's been. But the problem is they they

1105
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 3: they've they've used up their benefit of the doubts that

1106
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 3: that's that's the problem. The fan base is, as it

1107
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 3: should be, frustrated and has lost tolerance. But all I'm

1108
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: saying is be careful what you wish for. If you

1109
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 3: wish for her to nuke this place, then it's going

1110
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 3: to be dark for three or four years.

1111
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 5: It just is it kind of dark for three or

1112
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 5: four years.

1113
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 3: It's not darkest damn, you know, darkest darks the Jets,

1114
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 3: and whether.

1115
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 7: Whether it's better the Jets have four first round picks

1116
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:25,959
Speaker 7: the next two years. The Colts have none.

1117
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not that I try. You're right, You're right. Uh,

1118
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 3: Cleveland's had a bunch of first round picks over the years,

1119
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 3: and what have they done. Yeah, we're arguing margins. Now,

1120
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 3: is it better to be eight and nine or three

1121
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: in fourteen? R? Well, I mean it's a you're in

1122
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 3: the same spot, right, Yeah, one's just a little bit

1123
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 3: deeper on.

1124
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 5: The pop to each other for the first round, right yeah.

1125
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 3: Right, So but no, it's this is important, and I

1126
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 3: hope whatever she does, even if that includes nothing, if

1127
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 3: if it's one more time, I hope she addresses it.

1128
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if she will or not. Sometimes you know,

1129
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 3: if you're not going to get change, why would you

1130
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 3: say you're not going to get change. I think Jimmers

1131
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 3: they put out that missive last year on Sunday Night

1132
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 3: that I need to do back there and look exactly

1133
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 3: what it said, but that hey, we're rolling them back.

1134
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 3: I hope she does, because I think the fan base

1135
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 3: needs to hear from her on on why. And of

1136
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 3: course if there is a change, I'm sure she will

1137
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 3: address address the fan base because this is her team now.

1138
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 3: Her nurse says, so that I don't dismiss Kayle and Casey,

1139
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 3: but Carly is the one that's driving the bus on

1140
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 3: the team moves. So I think i'd go as far

1141
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 3: as says she owes it to the team, to the

1142
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 3: to the fan base, to say this is what we're doing,

1143
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 3: and this is why this is my vision of moving

1144
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 3: forward and understanding that a lot of people aren't gonna

1145
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 3: be listening to you, because as soon as you say

1146
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 3: we're bringing them back, you're gonna say, well, screw you,

1147
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 3: I'm done, and they'll be done until they start winning,

1148
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 3: winning more, you know, in December when it matters. So

1149
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 3: it's going to be fascinating what she does. I could

1150
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 3: have argued strong prior to this season that they should

1151
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 3: blow it up. I could. I can't argue quite that

1152
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 3: strongly now because I did see I did see good

1153
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 3: things at seven and one and eight and two, and

1154
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 3: I realized it. It was on a lesser schedule. I

1155
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: understand them, but they were blowing the doors off people,

1156
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 3: so I'm not going to dismiss what they did at all.

1157
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 3: And the schedule got tougher later and they would have

1158
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 3: they would have had to bring their A game to

1159
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: beat team the second half of the season. Anyway except Pittsburgh.

1160
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 3: They never win in Pittsburgh. I'll throw that game out.

1161
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 3: But to be to be so hamstrung with four or

1162
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 3: five he the last half of the season, if you'd

1163
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 3: tell somebody picked these five, four or five guys that

1164
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 3: are most important to you, that that's those are the

1165
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 3: ones that got hurt, you know, the quarterback and Buck

1166
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 3: in the in the in the in the corners, so

1167
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 3: in Brandon, in Braden Smiths. So so yeah, it's it's difficult.

1168
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 3: And I say, I go back to what I said.

1169
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 3: I hope I hope that Carly comes out and says,

1170
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 3: and this is why we're doing whatever we do. I

1171
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 3: think the fan base deserves.

1172
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 5: I just do chap. Let's do it this way. Here,

1173
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 5: we're gonna do a little game.

1174
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 7: I want you to think about the teams that are

1175
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 7: headed to the postseason, both AFC and NFC, and I'm

1176
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 7: going to give you three names, and for each name,

1177
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 7: I want you to tell me your level of confidence

1178
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 7: that they will be returning as a member of the

1179
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 7: Indianapolis Colts franchise next year. But the way you're going

1180
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 7: to answer it is this. If I said to you,

1181
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 7: for example, you know somebody that there is zero chance

1182
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 7: that they are going to Then you would say, you know,

1183
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 7: I don't know who you think has zero chance of

1184
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 7: the postseason. But in other words, you're ranking the postseason teams. Okay,

1185
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 7: And I want you with your answer to tell me

1186
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 7: your level of confidence that they're going to return based

1187
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 7: on your level of confidence of what it would be

1188
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 7: for one of these.

1189
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 5: Teams in the postseason this year. You get what I'm saying.

1190
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 3: Really, you've really complicated things. I could answer that really

1191
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 3: given our fifty not so much, NAPO.

1192
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 5: Let's try it, Okay, all right, here we go.

1193
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 7: So your level of confidence that Chris Ballard will return

1194
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 7: with the Colts next year is the equivalent of what

1195
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 7: team's postseason chances this year in the NFL.

1196
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I shoot you doing Green Bay?

1197
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 5: Okay? Okay, Shane Steichen.

1198
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 3: Well, I'll make it easy Philadelphia since he's cut some tizes.

1199
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 5: There, Okay, the forest, but I think he's.

1200
01:05:52,880 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 3: Back, Yep, Buckner, Gosh, Buffalo.

1201
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 7: Because I don't think Buckner Chap. The reason I bring

1202
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 7: that up, I think when you talk about, for example,

1203
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 7: and I'll just throw the name Chris Ballard out there.

1204
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 7: When you throw Chris Ballard's name in there are variables

1205
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 7: on either side where you could very soundly make the

1206
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 7: discussion as to whether he should or should not be

1207
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 7: here next year. And in the case of DeForest Buckner,

1208
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 7: I don't think it's the slam dunk that he returns

1209
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 7: and continues his career here that one would assume. I

1210
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 7: could see very he could make very sound arguments in

1211
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 7: his press conference if he were to retire as to

1212
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 7: why he is walking away.

1213
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 5: Correct.

1214
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you, and I've said this before that

1215
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 3: when you always hear the cults throw around like he's

1216
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 3: a horseshoe guy, well, Buck's a horseshoe guy. He is.

1217
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 3: He's one of those that you build a bear type

1218
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 3: of thing. This is what you come up with when

1219
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 3: you try to build a cult at Buckner. And he

1220
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 3: is played maid through so many injuries, you know, a

1221
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 3: screwed up elbow and ankles. He's left the country twice

1222
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 3: to get stim cell injections because that's how bad he

1223
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 3: wants to play what he's very good at. But the

1224
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 3: last two times that we've talked to him at the

1225
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 3: Colts Complex, he just hasn't had that vibrant tone to

1226
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 3: him because he's dealing with a neck injury. You know,

1227
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 3: he's got to herny you this in his neck that

1228
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 3: can press on a nerve. And he was at the

1229
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 3: complex after he first did it, and he said he

1230
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 3: couldn't do push ups. So and that's when he was

1231
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 3: talking about when it's an injury like this, you're thinking

1232
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 3: about long term your life after football. You want to

1233
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 3: be able to play with his whatever. He's got two

1234
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 3: or three young kids. And that's the first time that

1235
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 3: I can remember that Buck has been like that. And

1236
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 3: it very much could be that he's in the midst

1237
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 3: of this and it's wearing his butt down. And the

1238
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 3: worst time to make a decision is when you're in

1239
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 3: the middle of this. You know what you do is

1240
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 3: he's going to have the surgery. Well, I guess this

1241
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 3: week is what change psyche and told us. And then

1242
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 3: you get away from it, and then you sit down

1243
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 3: with the family and say, what do you think you

1244
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 3: make that decision, And probably March because he's got a

1245
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 3: he's got like a ten million dollar roster bonus. Do

1246
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 3: I think in March or early in the league year,

1247
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,839
Speaker 3: so certainly by then. But no, it's not a Slamno

1248
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 3: at all. Uh, because when you're dealing with a guy

1249
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 3: that's already made over one hundred million dollars and earned

1250
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 3: it and earned it, let's not say he just was

1251
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 3: you know, he earned it and he's put a body

1252
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 3: on the line and he's done great things in his career.

1253
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 3: But now he doesn't have to do that. It's does

1254
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 3: he want to do that? And does he want to

1255
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 3: you know know what the risk are?

1256
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 13: Uh.

1257
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 3: You know, it's one thing to rehab an achilles or

1258
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 3: a knee. When you start messing with the back and

1259
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 3: the spine and all that that's in your head, you know,

1260
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 3: the concussions With Mooney Ward, you're talking you're talking different

1261
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 3: level of risk. And I think that he's at the

1262
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 3: point with the family all he has to do is

1263
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 3: go home. You know, some of these young kids, God

1264
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,799
Speaker 3: love him. They go home and they're superman. They're vulnerable.

1265
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 3: They're never going to get hurt or they'll come back

1266
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 3: when they do. When you go home when you're thirty

1267
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 3: something and your kids are running hugging your leg, that

1268
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 3: gives you a totally different perspective on your career. He's

1269
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 3: got enough money for his for his great grandkids, so

1270
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 3: they won't be a financial decision. It's going to be

1271
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 3: whether he is confident. I guess confident the surgeon. How

1272
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 3: you have confidence in neck surgery because he gets hit

1273
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 3: every play. If he's in the field for forty plays,

1274
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 3: he gets smoked forty plays. You're right, I get winded,

1275
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 3: but I think that's I'm with you. I think that's

1276
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say fifty to fifty. It's probably a better

1277
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 3: chance than that if he comes back, but it's not

1278
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 3: a slam best at all, that the forest Bucker comes

1279
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 3: back next year.

1280
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 7: Okay, Chap end conclusion here Mike Chap on My guest

1281
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 7: job a house Peel and poor guest line. Occasionally this

1282
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 7: happens with us. We have I don't know what it

1283
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,919
Speaker 7: is within the computer here where when we're talking to somebody,

1284
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 7: their voice kind of gets sped up like they're on

1285
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 7: a helium.

1286
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 5: Now we've had fun with us. We have Joel A. Ericsson,

1287
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 5: we have different people doing follow the other.

1288
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 3: What's that wait anyway?

1289
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 7: I know, but like right now you sound so here's

1290
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 7: the thing, Chap you mentioned like build a bear earlier,

1291
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 7: and you've got kind of a I'm not gonna lie

1292
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 7: to you. Your voice right now, kind of cute. Any

1293
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 7: chance we can get you to say, this is Chappy Bear,

1294
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 7: give me a hug. Just simply say that this is

1295
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 7: Chappy Bearer, Give me a hug. Can we get you

1296
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 7: to say that, real quick.

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Speaker 3: This is Chappy Bearer, Give me a hug. If me

1298
01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 3: humiliating myself like that made your day, than fine.

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you, Yeah, Chap, we appreciate it as always.

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01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna hear that driving down that

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01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 3: road now, I'm just sitting here.

1302
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 5: No, you're gonna you're gonna hear it. Drip me on

1303
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 5: the road. The question is, brother, would it be, Chap?

1304
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 5: Just out of curiosity? Would it be a yellow brick road?

1305
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 5: Can we get you to say that too?

1306
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 3: No? No, no, I'm done. I'm done making making an

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01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 3: ass of myself. I do that enough. I do that enough. Anyway,

1308
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 3: Why let you walk me into being a bigger ass?

1309
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I do.

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01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 7: Congratulations, all right, Chat, Happy New Year to you to

1311
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 7: you guys.

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01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 5: Me well, all right.

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01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 7: Mike Chapple joining us from CBS four w x I

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Speaker 7: on Fox fifty nine on the Java House Peeling Port

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Speaker 7: guest line again. Sometimes when folks are on the hotline

1316
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 7: when that happens, it sounds like they're a little sped

1317
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 7: up to make a little pep in the step. Now,

1318
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 7: it's not gonna do that to you. But you want

1319
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 7: a little extra pep in the step, why not try

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01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 7: the Wrangler Energy from Java House. That's right, just pour

1321
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 7: it right into a out the water instant energy drink

1322
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 7: and you can get that along with the amazingly smooth

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Speaker 7: Colombian coffee and the Liquid Science Hydration, all part of

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01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 7: the bundle. You simply go to Java House dot com

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01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 7: put in the fan. It will take you right to

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01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 7: the bundle. You can buy it right there and Jake

1327
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 7: twenty five gets you twenty five percent off.

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Speaker 5: How about them apples? I asked yesterday your thoughts in

1329
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 5: what are we now? Through sixteen games sixteen words are feury?

1330
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 7: Your thoughts on the Colts twenty twenty five season, and

1331
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 7: you folks did not disappoint. I'll read some up next.

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01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,560
Speaker 7: You know, I feel like Chappy the Bear's got to

1333
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 7: ring to it though, doesn't it?

1334
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 5: Is it just me?

1335
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 7: And it was starting to come back to normal with

1336
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 7: the voice thing. EO, but do we have can you

1337
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 7: replay that because I want to know if whether or.

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01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 5: Not that that worked.

1339
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 7: Do you happen to have it of him saying and

1340
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 7: calling himself Chappy the Bear and asked for a second

1341
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:04,959
Speaker 7: because it has to do with and again to recap

1342
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 7: for everybody in case. And they've done the engineers who

1343
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 7: have done a great job because now and they had

1344
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 7: told us that this was going to be the case

1345
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 7: when we moved to the new building. There's just a

1346
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 7: ton that goes into it of fiber optics and everything else,

1347
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,799
Speaker 7: and the stuff was supposed to be all worked itself

1348
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 7: out here over the course of this week.

1349
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 5: And it looks like that's the case.

1350
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 7: But every once in a while we do get this

1351
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 7: that weird hiccup where it speeds people's voice up, and

1352
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 7: we've had fun with it with people Joel a ericson,

1353
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 7: do we happen to have any of the others there, Eddie.

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01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 3: We'll see.

1355
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: I was on like sabbatical pretty much helping out over

1356
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: the next right round, So I mean I don't have

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01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: all those on file. I did get my chapel though.

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01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 5: Here we go.

1359
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 7: This is chap as Chappy the Bear from from your

1360
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 7: local toy store.

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01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 3: This is the Chappy bear, give me a huck. If

1362
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 3: me humiliating myself like that made your day than fined.

1363
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 7: And just moments prior to that, it was even, it

1364
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 7: seemed a little bit faster, right, Okay. I asked the question,

1365
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 7: sixteen words are fewer, and tell me your thoughts on

1366
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 7: the Colts through sixteen games. One person, by the way, said,

1367
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 7: quit doing this. Well, I'm just saying I asked the

1368
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 7: question each and every week. If I'm you know, I

1369
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 7: can't stop now right just because they're out. I can't

1370
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 7: stop now.

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01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: Cee Jake, You're not like the Colts. You don't disappear

1372
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 1: as the season goes.

1373
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 7: Along, correct, thank you, Eddie, like the Colts defense that

1374
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 7: seemingly the last quarter of each season just falls off

1375
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 7: a cliff. I've been a fan since the move to Indy.

1376
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 7: Rarely has the future looked as bleak that from who's

1377
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 7: your docius, Brent, most disappointing season in a while, least

1378
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 7: rising season in a while. It's pretty good, Michael says.

1379
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 7: My nineteen year old daughter legitimately asked me if the

1380
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 7: Colts were ever any good Timothy, good enough to give

1381
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 7: you hope, bad enough to let you down just a

1382
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 7: yearly eight win team. Jason winning early was fun Manning

1383
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 7: esque era. Last eight remind us of post Luck era mediocrity.

1384
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 7: Barb renewed season tickets before all goes to hell. No

1385
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 7: quarterback screwed for decades. Scott, the ownership of this team

1386
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 7: has embarrassed the fans long enough time to clean house. Well,

1387
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 7: you can't clean house on the owners, right, But I

1388
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 7: think I get what he's saying there, embarrassed this fan

1389
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 7: base by rolling out the same thing sports rock, Shocked

1390
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 7: at the start, disappointed at the spiral, expected outcome. Sadly,

1391
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 7: we have no hope now around. Indy says this a

1392
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 7: couple of breaks their way and they could easily have

1393
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 7: been twelve and five on the season.

1394
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: Fair every team can say that. Almost true.

1395
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 7: Jacob pointed this out, and this is more than sixteen words,

1396
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 7: but he pointed this out. Could you put together a

1397
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 7: list of the terrible crap that's happened in the last

1398
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 7: eleven years? Luck retiring thirty three point lead, lost seven

1399
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 7: to one and not make the playoffs, Hiring an ESPN

1400
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 7: personality mid season as coach Anthony Richardson, helmet tap Flacco

1401
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 7: back up, best chance to win to bench him two

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01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 7: games later. Anything else, I mean, yeah, I guess bringing

1403
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 7: in a high school football coach to play for a

1404
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 7: couple of games. I'm and I thought Rivers. I mean, look,

1405
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 7: I'm not here to bang on Philip Rivers. I think

1406
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 7: that he and I get also the cults circumstance. But

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01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:09,440
Speaker 7: at this point, and I said it yesterday somewhat rhetorically,

1408
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 7: somewhat rhetorically yesterday I mentioned why, now that they have

1409
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 7: been eliminated, what is the reason to start Philip Rivers? Okay,

1410
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 7: I get it. You want to win your season finale

1411
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 7: at home. You want to you owe it to guys

1412
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 7: on the roster. Okay, But Philip Rivers yesterday on the field,

1413
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 7: and Philip Rivers Sunday in Houston, does you zero zero, zero, none,

1414
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 7: not a zip zilch good towards your future.

1415
01:17:55,080 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 5: And less and less your future is.

1416
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 7: That you bring him back for a Kerry Collins three

1417
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 7: to four games. That Collins was so bad that it

1418
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 7: was a one game deal. But you get what I'm saying.

1419
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go back to what I said earlier, and

1420
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 7: I'm not saying I think this is going to happen,

1421
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,759
Speaker 7: but I think it's more plausible than you would assume.

1422
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson. I don't need to sit here and recap

1423
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 7: for all of you the saga of Anthony Richardson. You

1424
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 7: all know it. You all know the Ballad of Anthony

1425
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 7: Richardson by now. You know every word of the song.

1426
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 7: And when it speeds up, when it gets really good,

1427
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 7: and then when it slows back down again, it's like

1428
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 7: American pie, you know. And it's this long saga. But

1429
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 7: if Anthony Richardson next year shows up in Westfield and

1430
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 7: Shane Stikeen says, or whoever is coaching the Colts, let's

1431
01:18:55,680 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 7: say Shane Stikeen and Shane Steiken says, you know what,

1432
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 7: Daniel Jones, he had a good off season. You know,

1433
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 7: he fall like crazy. He's fight like he's a horseshoe, guys,

1434
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 7: fight's like crazy. You know, he's got so Daniel, you know,

1435
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 7: like what he did, got things cleaned up in the

1436
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 7: off season, went in, had some surgery, got some things

1437
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 7: cleaned up, and fall like crazy. And we're we're optimistic,

1438
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 7: we're helpful, you know, we're hopeful, and we saw what

1439
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 7: he was able to do last year and he's our quarterback.

1440
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 7: And that's assuming by the way that Daniel Jones has

1441
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:32,759
Speaker 7: been resigned. Okay, so Daniel Jones goes through. Everything looks fine,

1442
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 7: the leg, the fibula, heels, the achilles heels, and because

1443
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 7: he's had to be off his leg, everything's really in

1444
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 7: good shape and he's good to go and he's where

1445
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,440
Speaker 7: he needs to be in the process through through OTA's

1446
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,520
Speaker 7: and whatever else. But when they show up in Westfield,

1447
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 7: Shane Steichen, Chris balladerd if he's still here, they say,

1448
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 7: we're very comfortable with him. But doctors say, we need

1449
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 7: to scale it back a little bit until probably early

1450
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,799
Speaker 7: September before we get him going at one hundred percent.

1451
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 7: And we don't want to put a quarterback out there

1452
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 7: in week one that we have to scale back at

1453
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 7: less than one hundred percent of physically what they're able

1454
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 7: to do. And so therefore we are not going to

1455
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 7: probably start him and get him going in full everyday

1456
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 7: reps for the first two to three weeks of the season,

1457
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 7: say even starts on Pump. In that scenario, you could

1458
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 7: start Riley Leonard if you feel that he gives you

1459
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 7: a chance to win games, and games are really important

1460
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 7: when just for example, they still count towards the playoffs.

1461
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 7: The Colts had a game that had no meaning towards

1462
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 7: their playoffs. The Colts had a game that, realistically, all

1463
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 7: it meant was it made him feel good about themselves

1464
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 7: in front of the home fans for the last time.

1465
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 7: It's very important. We want to make sure that our

1466
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 7: fans feel good. A lot of Christmas gifts being given

1467
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 7: out in the game, so we want to make sure

1468
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 7: they all feel good. And in that Cinario, they didn't

1469
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 7: trust Ryder Leonard. So are we to believe that that

1470
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 7: means that they're going to trust him enough to go

1471
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 7: out there and take over the team and man the

1472
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 7: ship when it matters.

1473
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit different, Jake, when you

1474
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,799
Speaker 1: prepare all week with Rivers starting and taking every rep.

1475
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 5: Okay, let me ask you this.

1476
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 7: They went into Seattle, who was the number one seed

1477
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 7: in the NFC, in a game when it still mattered

1478
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,799
Speaker 7: for them, and Philip Rivers joined the team on Thursday.

1479
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 5: He started. Yep, did he work reps all week?

1480
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 13: Ah?

1481
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: Yes, they split.

1482
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 5: So he didn't take all the reps.

1483
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 7: No, So they felt confident with a forty four year

1484
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 7: old guy who was coaching high school football. Three weeks

1485
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 7: earlier without having taken all the reps to go into

1486
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 7: a game that had playoff implication for them against the

1487
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 7: number one seed on the road. But they didn't feel

1488
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 7: confident with a guy who's been on their roster in

1489
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 7: their room, in their film rooms at every practice all

1490
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 7: season long because he didn't take the reps during practice.

1491
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:14,799
Speaker 5: That's simply my point.

1492
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 7: Now, Anthony Richardson, they could say, if he's back next

1493
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 7: year and he's under contract, they could have Anthony Richardson

1494
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 7: be their starter until Daniel Jones is ready to go.

1495
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 7: But that is a much more convoluted handoff because what

1496
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 7: if Richardson plays really well? Are you creating for yourself

1497
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 7: there a quarterback quarterback controversy? So is there the possibility

1498
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 7: that Philip Rivers actually is a guy that you're going

1499
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 7: to go back to one more time to ask him

1500
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 7: to be the good soldier here and do you a

1501
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:51,719
Speaker 7: solid next year. I mean it's probably a five percent chance,

1502
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 7: but I don't think it's zero.

1503
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 5: I don't.

1504
01:22:55,960 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 7: Now, speaking of chances, speaking of percentages, there is a

1505
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 7: number in terms of percentage that is skyrocketing.

1506
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 5: That may.

1507
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 7: Increase the odds that Indiana University plays in Atlanta in

1508
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 7: the peach Bowl. There's something happening and developing before us

1509
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 7: that might be benefit Indiana. I'll tell you next. Great song,

1510
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 7: great song, and speaking of all the places that Tom

1511
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 7: Petty sings about in this song. Even though I realized

1512
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 7: free falling is what the Colts were doing the last

1513
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 7: couple of months of the year, somebody pointed out to me,

1514
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 7: fabulous point, Jake. I know they're called the Colts. Can

1515
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:45,879
Speaker 7: we call them actually the quarter horses?

1516
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 5: Yes?

1517
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 7: Good, until the last quarter of the season, Horses, the

1518
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 7: Colts right the way it's been the last couple of years. Eddie,

1519
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,839
Speaker 7: if you could please look for me at the calendar

1520
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 7: before you, and let's recap for everybody what's coming up

1521
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 7: on this radio station over the next couple of days.

1522
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 7: For example, special edition of Inside IU Football tomorrow night

1523
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 7: at seven o'clock.

1524
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: YEP, seven o five. It'll feature Don Fisher, Kurt Signetti,

1525
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: Scott Dolson, a handful of players from IU. That will

1526
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: be tomorrow night, seven o five right here on the

1527
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: fan tonight. Of course, we've got pacers in the Houston

1528
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: Rockets pregame covered with Pat Boiling at seven thirty. Before that,

1529
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 1: from six to seven Colts Roundtable Live. Matt Taylor, Shane

1530
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,759
Speaker 1: Steichen will be on the show, Joe Wrights, Rick Van Turrey,

1531
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: as well Pacers and Orlando Magic on Wednesday pregame starting

1532
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: at two thirty, so an abbreviated show for you Jake

1533
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,959
Speaker 1: Noon until two thirty on Wednesday. No GMV on Wednesday

1534
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: as well, we will carry the Cotton Bowl Wednesday night

1535
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 1: between Miami and Ohio State. That coverage on the fan

1536
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: will start at seven o'clock, and of course you can

1537
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: listen to IU on the fan as well. Against Alabama

1538
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: in the Rose Bull, Don Fisher, John Herrick and Buck

1539
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 1: Sewer will have pregame coverage starting at three o'clock. That

1540
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: coverage will last for about four to five hours on

1541
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: the fan. Then then after that game, right here on

1542
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,719
Speaker 1: the fan, we will have the Ole Miss and Georgia

1543
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: game in the Sugar Bowls. That's Thursday on New Year's Day.

1544
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 1: On Friday the second, all of us should be back

1545
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 1: for shows, so that's good to know. JMV will be

1546
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: live from Rolston's and then Cole Tappiaur will take place

1547
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: from five thirty to six thirty. Victor wimbin Yama makes

1548
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 1: his debut of this season at gamebridge Fieldhouse Friday night,

1549
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: six thirty pregame coverage, seven o'clock, tip on the fan.

1550
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 7: Okay, so Thursday you mentioned the Rose Bowl, correct, Yes,

1551
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 7: three o'clock.

1552
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 1: That is when pregame coverage will start. Yes, kick at four.

1553
01:25:54,439 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 7: So the forecast for Pasadena, California. And here are my

1554
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 7: tips for you if you're going to the Rose Bowl.

1555
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 7: Number one, and I'm not kidding, you buy some sort

1556
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 7: of a seat cushion because when when I was at

1557
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 7: the Rose Bowl, which is an unbelievably and I am

1558
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 7: thrilled for Indiana fans and anybody that's able to go

1559
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 7: to that venue in one of the most beautiful parts

1560
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 7: of the country and watch a gay awesome. Everything about

1561
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 7: it awesome. But the Rose Bowl seats ninety thousand. It's

1562
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 7: a venue that when you're sitting in it, you think

1563
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 7: to yourself, this probably holds fifty fifty five. And that's

1564
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 7: because it is the most compact packed in place ever.

1565
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,759
Speaker 7: Take a seat cushion or something to make your seat comfortable,

1566
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 7: because they're just like hard plastic seats almost like it's

1567
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 7: Ross eight is similar, but that's benches. If you go

1568
01:26:56,160 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 7: up higher up in ross Aid also take and my

1569
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 7: tip here is this. Have you ever heard of frog

1570
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 7: dog's eddie?

1571
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 5: Oh?

1572
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 7: Yes, frog talk for the most unbelievable invention known to man.

1573
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: I've had a frog tog since I was like ten.

1574
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 7: Nineteen ninety nine. I think usually they cost you can

1575
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 7: buy it. You buy him at like Walmart, Meyer or whatever.

1576
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 7: I discovered frog dogs years ago when we were doing

1577
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 7: an IndyCar race in Watkins, Glenn and it was literally

1578
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 7: a torrential downpour. I went to the Walmart and like

1579
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 7: you know, Corning, New York and asked, and they're like, oh, here,

1580
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 7: right here, it's basically fisherman's gear, but or fisher woman's gear.

1581
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 11: Uh.

1582
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 7: But it is like a paper thin pant and jacket

1583
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 7: combo that goes at a little pouch and it is

1584
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 7: literally water. It's unbelievable, perfect, perfect for Pasadena because one

1585
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 7: hundred percent chance of rain in Pasadena, California on New

1586
01:27:59,320 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 7: Year's Day.

1587
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 5: Now this alone.

1588
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 7: I know that they just sold the power ball for

1589
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,719
Speaker 7: one point eight billion and some guy in Arkansas or Gallon,

1590
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 7: Arkansas won it, Okay, but this is like winning the

1591
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 7: lottery to an extent. On the other end, of things

1592
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 7: because Pasadena, California, I'm guessing, has rain out days like

1593
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 7: seven times a year. One hundred percent chance of rain

1594
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 7: in Pasadena. But wait to quote Lee Corso not so fast,

1595
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 7: my friends oftentimes, and you've all been bit by this

1596
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 7: now when you look at your phone and you look

1597
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 7: at the county and you look at it and you go, oh,

1598
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 7: it's a one hundred percent chance of rain on Wednesday. Well,

1599
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 7: what that doesn't tell you is the rain happens between

1600
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 7: midnight and twelve twenty am. So yes, technically that's on

1601
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 7: that day and it rained, right, that's kind of what's

1602
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 7: in play here. But it looks like it is going

1603
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 7: to rain in Pasadena literally from New Year's Eve at

1604
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 7: midnight all the way through tapering off towards late in

1605
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 7: the evening on New Year's Day. But at the time

1606
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 7: that the game kicks off in California, you're basically looking

1607
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 7: at already having rained all day and still a forty

1608
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 7: percent chance that it's going to be raining over the

1609
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 7: course of the game. This is actually a huge potential

1610
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 7: benefit for Indiana, not that they need many of them,

1611
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 7: because I think Indiana is better than Alabama. Certainly Indiana

1612
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 7: gives you a better understanding of who they are than Alabama.

1613
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 7: But Alabama when playing at their best, when Alabama is

1614
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 7: clicking like they were for the second half against Oklahoma,

1615
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 7: is still very very good. But they don't run the

1616
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 7: ball well. And Alabama's strength is in their speed, their separation,

1617
01:29:58,560 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 7: and their space.

1618
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 5: And you get into.

1619
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 7: Mud slop with rain continuing to pour down, You're gonna

1620
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 7: have to run the ball.

1621
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 5: You're gonna have to.

1622
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 7: Move the football between the tackles, You're gonna have to

1623
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 7: win the line of scrimmage, and that would be advantage Indiana.

1624
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 7: Indiana's front four is their strength defensively. I mean they

1625
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 7: obviously have like in ponds, I mean, they've got very

1626
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 7: good defensive backs, but they are very nasty and aggressive upfront.

1627
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 7: In Alabama's weakness offensively has been running between the tackles

1628
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 7: and moving the football. That is absolutely advantage Indiana, and

1629
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:46,600
Speaker 7: I hope people that go out. I haven't looked at

1630
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 7: the forecast. I think most people probably are going out

1631
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 7: a couple of days early to enjoy southern California Again.

1632
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:57,480
Speaker 7: I have been to the Rose Bowl as a venue

1633
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 7: numerous times. I've driven past it a billion in times

1634
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:06,759
Speaker 7: and I have been inside the venue for one event,

1635
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 7: and it was a concert, not a sporting event. It

1636
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 7: is an amazing place in an amazing part of the

1637
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 7: country that is absolutely beautiful. And the one thing that

1638
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 7: I feel bad for fans that are going is the

1639
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 7: real magic of the Rose Bowl is seeing that unbelievable

1640
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 7: sunset just on the outside of the stadium. You know,

1641
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 7: as you look outside the stadium. I mean, it's the

1642
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 7: most majestic. It's incredible. It's why the Rose Bowl as

1643
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,680
Speaker 7: a television event is the granddaddy of mal and I

1644
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 7: hope that there is some way to be able to

1645
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 7: see or experience that, even if the weather is not

1646
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 7: going to be ideal. But advantage Indiana in that regard. Now,

1647
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 7: Miami in Ohio State, you'll hear on this radio station

1648
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 7: Wednesday at seven, that game is not going to be

1649
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 7: close as it Eddie those at Ohio State when that

1650
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 7: going away, Eddie is staring at the floor.

1651
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: I would assume so, but you never know. In these games.

1652
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: Take Miami any time off. Miami is the fresher team.

1653
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:14,799
Speaker 5: That's fair.

1654
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: I think they have a really good defense too, so.

1655
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 7: But I think my my I would say concern with

1656
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 7: Ohio State just because I don't like them. But my

1657
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 7: thought on Ohio State is that and this is probably

1658
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:42,879
Speaker 7: totally unfair and it's probably dismissive or disrespectful to Indiana

1659
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 7: because I think I think, without question, the two best

1660
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 7: teams in college football are Indiana and Ohio State. They're

1661
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 7: ranked one and two. I get it, no, but I'm

1662
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 7: saying I think they are in a Georgia's right there, though.

1663
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 7: I think Georgia Ohio State is the real Assuming that

1664
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 7: matchup comes to fruition, that will be a fascinating game

1665
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 7: because Georgia George is really really good. That's probably a

1666
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 7: fifty to fifty game. But I hope that we're not

1667
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 7: going to find out that Ryan Day was playing it

1668
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 7: conservative throughout the course of the season, and now that

1669
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 7: the postseason is here, is when they say, all right, boys,

1670
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 7: you know it goes back to And I'm not saying

1671
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 7: this the case with I don't know. I'm just saying

1672
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 7: it's my worry. Secretariat. In the seventy three Belmont Secretariat

1673
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 7: had already won the Kentucky Derby with the fastest time

1674
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 7: in the history of Churchill Downs. Secretariat had already won

1675
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 7: the Preakness in the fastest time in the history at

1676
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 7: that point of the Preakness, and Secretary goes into the Belmont,

1677
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 7: and Sham was still right there, somebody that can contend

1678
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 7: with Secretariat. And Sham had been the runner up in

1679
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 7: the second fastest running of the Kentucky Derby of all time,

1680
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 7: and going into the Belmont, nobody knew exactly what was

1681
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 7: going to happen. Were they going to was Ronnie Turcott

1682
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:18,600
Speaker 7: going to be given specific instruction on how to go

1683
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,919
Speaker 7: against Sham? Was Sham going to be told specific instruction

1684
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 7: from the writer's standpoint how to handle Secretariat? And they

1685
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 7: told Ronnie Turcott, letter Rip, don't even worry about Sham.

1686
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 7: Sham's instruction is going to be to run alongside Secretary

1687
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 7: in the beginning, try to wear them out, fall back

1688
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 7: a little bit, and then make a late push. And

1689
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:40,600
Speaker 7: they said to Ronnie Turcott, you know what here it

1690
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 7: is the last leg of the Belmont, the last leg

1691
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 7: of the Triple Crown in the Belmont.

1692
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 5: Let's go for it.

1693
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 7: And they came out of turn number one and Secretariat

1694
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 7: pulled away, and before you know it, he was moving

1695
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,679
Speaker 7: like a tremendous machine. And I wonder if Ohio State

1696
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 7: is not the same where Ryan Day is going to say, Okay,

1697
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 7: now we're in the final leg, let's go. Because they

1698
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 7: didn't have Jeremiah Smith on the field for what eight

1699
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 7: third down plays against Indiana Tate. Also, they very rarely

1700
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 7: lined both of them up on the field at the

1701
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 7: same time.

1702
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: Well, I know both of them had been dealing with

1703
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 1: injuries later and.

1704
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 7: For sure, I mean they were just coming back off

1705
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 7: of it, right, yeah, And that that's my one concern.

1706
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 1: Also, don't want to be that guy, Jake, but they

1707
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 1: missed a gimme fielgal and had a turnover on downs

1708
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 1: that you normally don't see with the quarterbacks knee just

1709
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: going down on a QB sneak.

1710
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 7: Why the timing for the Colts maybe now I'll explain

1711
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 7: next In Brian Nubert bottom of the hour.

1712
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 2: It's Querry in company. I'm going to be keeping your

1713
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 2: company for the next few hours. You are not going

1714
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:45,919
Speaker 2: to believe the company, this company. You're going to bankrupt

1715
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:46,599
Speaker 2: your mama's company.

1716
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: At least I have the radio to keep me company.

1717
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 4: On ninety three to five and one oh seven five,

1718
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:53,799
Speaker 4: the fan backing the throw with Lawrence Colts bring pressure

1719
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,639
Speaker 4: Lawrence out of the pocket upfield at the five bearing left,

1720
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 4: and he's gonna scamp Rent for a touchdown. Lawrence correct snaps.

1721
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 4: I go to take off and run at skipper into

1722
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 4: the end zone for a touchdown. He's got two rushing

1723
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 4: touchdowns today. Motion out to the left side, including downs

1724
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 4: Warren and Michael Pittman.

1725
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:09,719
Speaker 7: Jude.

1726
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 5: They're blitzing Rivers.

1727
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 4: Throws that way intercepted thirty twenty five twenty yard line

1728
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,759
Speaker 4: of being stopped. Right there is Jerry and Jones prevent

1729
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 4: defense by Jacksonville. They're going to rush five back, gonna

1730
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 4: throw as Leonard steps away from trouble. Throws downfield, It's got.

1731
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,679
Speaker 5: Enough air on it into the end zone and it is.

1732
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 4: Intercepted by Jacksonville at the eye in Indianapolis in the

1733
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 4: end zone. Twenty three to seventeen is the final score

1734
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 4: and the Colts losing skid now has reached six games.

1735
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 6: Guys fought like crazy. I thought our guys battled like crazy.

1736
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 6: At the end of the day wasn't enough. But I

1737
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 6: thought defense, you know, got some turnovers, some stops, special teams, dueling,

1738
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 6: We had some big returns, you know, set our offense,

1739
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:51,640
Speaker 6: up field position. At the end of the day, we

1740
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 6: didn't make enough place. Obviously, there are circumstances that are

1741
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 6: uncontrollable some things, but there are controllable things that you

1742
01:36:57,320 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 6: can control, and you've got to fight and find ways

1743
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 6: to win tight games. That's what this league is. We

1744
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:02,600
Speaker 6: have done a good enough job of that, and that

1745
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:04,679
Speaker 6: starts with me. We gotta find ways to win tight games.

1746
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:07,639
Speaker 7: That's how it sounded yesterday Matt Taylor, Rick Venturi on

1747
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 7: the call for the Colts Radio Network Shane Steiken postgame,

1748
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 7: and then those words from Lafayette's Axel Rose, where do

1749
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 7: we go?

1750
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 5: Now?

1751
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 7: Where do you go from here? Good afternoon to you

1752
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 7: if you are just joining us on the program or

1753
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:27,640
Speaker 7: thank you for listening now we do, in fact, this

1754
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 7: is quarying company here on ninety three five one oh

1755
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 7: seven five the fan on.

1756
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 1: This backhanded compliment?

1757
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 5: What's that?

1758
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Is it like a backhanded compliment? Which one's that like,

1759
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 1: where have you been? But thank you for listening now?

1760
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 7: Well, no, it's just saying that we are appreciative of

1761
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 7: any ear that we can get.

1762
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 5: Right.

1763
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know if that was like a backhanded compliment.

1764
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 5: We will take any listener that we can get on

1765
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 5: this project.

1766
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 1: That shirt makes you look a little pudgy, but I

1767
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: think that color looks great on you. This shirt makes

1768
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 1: me the pudgy. No, I'm just saying that's what it

1769
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: feels like to me.

1770
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 7: Okay, fair enough, don't it's a backhanded compliment. I think

1771
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:05,599
Speaker 7: it's a nudge of simply, you know, where have you been?

1772
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 5: Right?

1773
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:08,080
Speaker 1: You know we've been here since noon? So why have

1774
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:08,759
Speaker 1: you even listening?

1775
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 7: Yeah? People have things to do, like for example, Jim

1776
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 7: who I met over the weekend that listens while he's

1777
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 7: at the Jordan Why and his wife Peggy. Great dude,

1778
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:21,799
Speaker 7: super nice guy. Appreciated talking to people over the weekend,

1779
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:26,799
Speaker 7: especially yesterday at our Jack Daniels and bud Light Ultimate

1780
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 7: tailgate out in front of the Slippery Noodle. Talked to

1781
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 7: Greg there Leanne and one of the things that everyone asked,

1782
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 7: where do they go from here? And here's my answer.

1783
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 7: There are two ways that I can answer that question.

1784
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 7: The first would be to say what I think they

1785
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 7: should do, and the other would be to say what

1786
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 7: I think they will do. And the reality is I

1787
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 7: don't know the answer to the second of that, I

1788
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 7: don't know definitively what the process is going to be

1789
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 7: in terms of the direction of the Colts. But I'm

1790
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 7: going to tell you what I think it should be,

1791
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 7: and what it should be for me is irrelevant in

1792
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 7: terms of the thought process of the Colts. I'm not

1793
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 7: arrogant enough to think that the opinions, the guidance, the

1794
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 7: projections of a radio host are going to influence the

1795
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 7: decisions made by the ownership group, of the general manager,

1796
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 7: of the front office, the brass of an NFL organization.

1797
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 7: But I think I speak for Colts fans in saying this,

1798
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 7: and I'm going to say it the way I mentioned

1799
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:46,679
Speaker 7: it earlier. I know sometimes it gets a little bit tiresome,

1800
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 7: maybe even irresponsible, to tie in one sports franchise in

1801
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 7: a town to another. I know that in this town

1802
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:58,600
Speaker 7: we have had times where the Pacers and Colts have

1803
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 7: been clicking on all cylinder simultaneously. But more often than not,

1804
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 7: we have one franchise that that's doing really well while

1805
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 7: the other one is struggling, and there might be some

1806
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:16,600
Speaker 7: competition in terms of motivation between the two franchises. I

1807
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 7: know they play well in the sandbox, and they root

1808
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:21,839
Speaker 7: for each other, and they post things publicly in support,

1809
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 7: but deep down they have to be They're competing for

1810
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 7: the same competitive dollar to a great extent, so they

1811
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:30,719
Speaker 7: have to at times probably want to be the one

1812
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:32,839
Speaker 7: that gets to sit at the head of the table

1813
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 7: in this market. And when it comes to the Colts

1814
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 7: and where they are right now, and they're plot in

1815
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 7: things and their lot in life and their placement within

1816
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:46,799
Speaker 7: this market and where they go from here, I found

1817
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,719
Speaker 7: myself yesterday sitting and watching. And I found myself sitting

1818
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 7: in Gamebridge Field House in early June, and.

1819
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 5: I know, what, what are you talking about? Dude?

1820
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 7: We're talking about the Colts losing to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

1821
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 7: We're talking about a team that started seven to one

1822
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 7: and was sitting at eight and two, and now they're

1823
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 7: eight to eight and they're out of the playoffs. And

1824
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 7: they knew they were out of the playoffs when the

1825
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 7: Houston defense continue to make plays against Justin Herbert on

1826
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 7: Saturday night. And you're talking about something that happened at

1827
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 7: a basketball arena in the summer. Yes, I am, And

1828
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:20,679
Speaker 7: let me explain why I sat there and I watched

1829
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:24,640
Speaker 7: the Indiana Pacers four quarters away. I watched in what

1830
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 7: was one of the most electric and great moments and

1831
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 7: evenings of my life. Game six and I'm blessed to

1832
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:35,160
Speaker 7: have been there, like many of you. Game six in

1833
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 7: Gambridge Field House. I watched it, and I watched the celebration,

1834
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,680
Speaker 7: knowing that the Indiana Pacers were getting ready to go

1835
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 7: on the road for one game. They were one game

1836
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 7: from an NBA title, And I thought about February of

1837
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 7: twenty twenty two, when the Pacers, who had for three

1838
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 7: straight years been playing beyond the regular season, they had

1839
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 7: been a nine in that weird like play in game thing.

1840
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 7: They'd been a five seed. They'd been a four seed

1841
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 7: playing a system that they believed in of Sibonis and

1842
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:15,720
Speaker 7: Turner and the double big Man combo. And in February

1843
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:18,719
Speaker 7: of twenty twenty two, we all got the push alert.

1844
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:24,759
Speaker 7: Domas Sabonis had been traded. He'd been traded for Buddy

1845
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:28,680
Speaker 7: Healed and Tyrese Haliburton and Domas Sabonis and Turner. Sabonis

1846
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 7: had that combo which had not been disastrous.

1847
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 1: In Jeremy Lamb in Justin Halliday don't forget about them.

1848
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 7: Correct, but that combo had not been disastrous, And Justin

1849
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 7: Hollo they had been a good player. Jeremy Lamb was

1850
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 7: kind of a dal Jones. But the Pacers found themselves

1851
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 7: stuck in a mediocrity. They found themselves stuck in an

1852
01:42:55,800 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 7: area in a ceiling. They couldn't break through. Those are

1853
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,839
Speaker 7: good players that you mentioned, nice role players justin Holiday,

1854
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 7: nice role player. Domas sobonis fabulous talent, very good player.

1855
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 7: But the Pacers decided that there was no perfect time

1856
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 7: to make seismic change. You can't sit around and wait

1857
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:22,760
Speaker 7: for it. Sometimes, I mentioned earlier, everybody has been in

1858
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 7: that relationship where you see two people I'm not even

1859
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:27,760
Speaker 7: gonna say a relationship you've been in, but you see

1860
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 7: your two friends that are dating, and you know, it's

1861
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 7: just kind of stale. It just seems like it's run

1862
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 7: its course. And they're really good friends and they're good people,

1863
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 7: but they just don't seem to be a match, and

1864
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 7: it's like, do you think they'll ever break up? Well,

1865
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:39,640
Speaker 7: it's funny you mentioned that Tim had mentioned to me

1866
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 7: that he was thinking about it, but it was like

1867
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:44,120
Speaker 7: three weeks before Valentine's Day. The timing just wasn't right.

1868
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:46,760
Speaker 7: So they kind of just continued on, went through the

1869
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 7: motions and then Sally actually mentioned that she was thinking

1870
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 7: about breaking up with Tim, but Tim's dog didn't feel

1871
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:55,559
Speaker 7: well and he had to keep taking him to the vet.

1872
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:56,920
Speaker 5: And it was an emotional time.

1873
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:00,200
Speaker 7: Timing wasn't right, and then that led right up to

1874
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 7: they were going to do it again, but it was

1875
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:04,600
Speaker 7: it was actually Tim and Sally their birthdays are a

1876
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 7: week apart, and they were right there. And so just

1877
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:08,639
Speaker 7: there's never the perfect time.

1878
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 5: Never. You don't sit around and wait for it.

1879
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:14,760
Speaker 7: Sometimes you got to be proactive, not reactive, but proactive.

1880
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 7: In the Indiana Pacers in February of twenty twenty two,

1881
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 7: realized they were stuck in a vat of mediocrity and

1882
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:23,719
Speaker 7: they seismically blew it up and they made the time

1883
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 7: for them to be the perfect time. And then they

1884
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:30,600
Speaker 7: came and said, we're gonna need you to understand that

1885
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:32,680
Speaker 7: we don't know if it's going to be perfect, but

1886
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 7: we're asking you for the time and the understanding that

1887
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:40,400
Speaker 7: we're trying to get this right. And they went out

1888
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:44,280
Speaker 7: and they held a press conference where they said we're

1889
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 7: going to be bad for a while because we're totally

1890
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 7: rebuilding this thing. And I sat there in Gambridge Field

1891
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 7: house in June watching the Indiana Pacers destroy Oklahoma City

1892
01:44:56,200 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 7: in a finals game, four quarters from winning an NBA title,

1893
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 7: and I thought to myself in February of twenty twenty two,

1894
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 7: no one knew this is where it could go. But

1895
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 7: the first step towards getting here was understanding that sometimes

1896
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 7: what is imperfect can be made perfect if you take

1897
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 7: the first step and you realize that you have to

1898
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 7: make it. The timing of yours now, Shane Steiken after

1899
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 7: the game, Eddie, we played this earlier. Let's listen to

1900
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 7: Shane Steike and talk about the things that his team

1901
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 7: did correctly yesterday in that game, knowing that they were

1902
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:37,559
Speaker 7: going in in a game that didn't matter towards their

1903
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 7: playoff fate. Shane Steiken knew that they were going in

1904
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 7: in a game that didn't matter towards their postseason, but

1905
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 7: nonetheless he critiqued afterwards the way that they played in

1906
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:48,719
Speaker 7: the approach they took.

1907
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 6: Well, I think our guys are professionals to understood, you know,

1908
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 6: going in the game, what the situation was, and you

1909
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 6: know what we signed up for seventeen of these things,

1910
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 6: and it's our job to go out and fight like

1911
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 6: crazy to go give our best effort. And I thought,

1912
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 6: our guys, you know, played hard today and fought like crazy.

1913
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 7: You just felt short, fight like crazy, fought like crazy,

1914
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 7: And you know what is crazy? On a side note,

1915
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 7: doing the same thing over and over and expecting them

1916
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:16,200
Speaker 7: miraculously it's going to be different, and waiting for the

1917
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 7: perfect time to make that change, or waiting for it

1918
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 7: to just find perfection on its own. Now, if you

1919
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 7: look at the history of the Colts, Carol Rosenbloom owned

1920
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 7: the Baltimore Colts and when he owned the Baltimore Colts,

1921
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 7: they had a record of one hundred and fifty four

1922
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 7: wins and ninety losses. That was their record at the

1923
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 7: time that the franchise was swapped with Bob er Say,

1924
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:46,720
Speaker 7: who had just bought the Rams, and Bob er Say

1925
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:49,719
Speaker 7: took over as the owner of the Baltimore Colts later

1926
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 7: to become the Indianapolis Colts, and in the ownership of

1927
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 7: Bob er Say, the franchise was one hundred and fifty

1928
01:46:56,240 --> 01:47:01,360
Speaker 7: three two hundred and twenty six and one and then

1929
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 7: upon Bob's passing, Jim Mersey took over as the owner

1930
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:08,719
Speaker 7: and during his tenure as the owner, during his time

1931
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:12,680
Speaker 7: two hundred and fifty seven one hundred ninety four and

1932
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 7: one vastly improved part of that though, due to the

1933
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 7: fact that Bill Pullian, a stable long term died in

1934
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 7: the Woolf football Man and Peyton Manning Let's not forget

1935
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 7: leading into Andrew luck. Without Bill Pullian. The Colts record

1936
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 7: one hundred and eleven one hundred and one under Jim irsay,

1937
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 7: one hundred eleven, one hundred and one overall totality of

1938
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 7: the Urs family ownership four hundred and ten wins, four

1939
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 7: hundred and twenty losses, two ties. What that comes down

1940
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 7: to is, on average eight or nine wins a year

1941
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:04,800
Speaker 7: eight and eight, seven to nine, nine and seven. Right

1942
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 7: in there the vat of mediocrity if you take out

1943
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 7: realistically the Peyton Manning and the Andrew Lack era, the

1944
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 7: vat of mediocrity not terrible, not terrible, and Jim or

1945
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 7: say philanthropic football man. No question, none of this is

1946
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:26,599
Speaker 7: an indictment on anybody in terms of their character, but

1947
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 7: rather to say, sometimes the definition of crazy is doing

1948
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 7: the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

1949
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 5: And the Colts the.

1950
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:40,719
Speaker 7: One thing they've done over and over under Chris Ballard

1951
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 7: is been reactive as opposed to proactive. They have more

1952
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:50,639
Speaker 7: often than not waited to make decision instead of creating

1953
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 7: their own perfect time, or had to make a decision

1954
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 7: to make up for the wrong one. Chris Ballard's first

1955
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 7: big job was to hire a coach. Hired Josh McDaniels,

1956
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 7: made it announced, announced it out there, let it be

1957
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 7: known to the world. Before the man had signed a

1958
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 7: contract that bound him as the head coach. He changes

1959
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 7: his mind egg on face Jim Mersey says, Frank Reich's

1960
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:20,400
Speaker 7: somebody I'm familiar with.

1961
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 5: Boom.

1962
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 7: Now, all of a sudden you have Frank Reich and

1963
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 7: Chris Ballard is dealing with a coach that was not

1964
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:33,040
Speaker 7: his primary pick. The quarterback situation. Yes, I know Andrew

1965
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 7: Luck retired. I don't know if anybody heard that or

1966
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 7: not bad timing. You knew it wasn't bad timing for

1967
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 7: Andrew Luck because Andrew Luck decided that the timing then

1968
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:43,439
Speaker 7: was perfect for him to go into the next phase

1969
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:44,040
Speaker 7: of his life.

1970
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:47,679
Speaker 5: He made his own timing. He was proactive, not reactive.

1971
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,200
Speaker 1: He gave him a nice twenty four million dollar parting gift.

1972
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 7: Correct, But Andrew Luck made the timing.

1973
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 5: That was best for him. People didn't like it around here.

1974
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:01,080
Speaker 7: But the Colts then had to go out and find

1975
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 7: a franchise quarterback, and they kept delaying that decision. Ultimately

1976
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:09,639
Speaker 7: went with Carson Wentz. Guess what owner didn't like him?

1977
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 7: Bad hire back to kicking the can back to veteran quarterbacks,

1978
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:18,679
Speaker 7: and then ultimately settled on Anthony Richardson.

1979
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 5: And what did you have after that?

1980
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 7: Having to go then and again be reactive and have

1981
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 7: to overcorrect on a decision that probably was not the

1982
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:33,280
Speaker 7: right one.

1983
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 1: And even still they weren't proactive enough to trade up

1984
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 1: to get the guy that may have wanted correct who's

1985
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 1: now in Houston.

1986
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:41,000
Speaker 5: And c J.

1987
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:45,080
Speaker 7: Stroud, who clearly, I think at the time in that

1988
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 7: draft process you could see Frank Reich, who was in Carolina,

1989
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 7: wanted c J.

1990
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 5: Stroud.

1991
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:51,880
Speaker 7: They ended up with Bryce Young whole different talk show.

1992
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:55,880
Speaker 7: But nonetheless, as I was watching that game yesterday, and

1993
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 7: I thought, the Colts did play well, and they fought hard,

1994
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:03,519
Speaker 7: like crazy, They fought like crazy, and I thought, of

1995
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 7: course they did, because now it doesn't matter, because this

1996
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 7: era of Colts football has routinely been making it count.

1997
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 7: Once it doesn't count anymore. They have been reacting to

1998
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 7: something that has already escaped them because they weren't proactive

1999
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:27,080
Speaker 7: when it mattered most. And I don't know Chris Ballard personally.

2000
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 7: I have interviewed him. I found him engaging at times.

2001
01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:35,599
Speaker 7: I found him smug at times. I found him confident

2002
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 7: at times. I found him insecure more times than not.

2003
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:43,200
Speaker 7: Do I think he knows football? Of course? Do I

2004
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 7: think he's forgotten more football than I know? Probably? Do

2005
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 7: I think that there are areas where he knows the

2006
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 7: game and can scout the game and understands the game?

2007
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:57,880
Speaker 5: Of course? Do I think he has more often than

2008
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:00,559
Speaker 5: not aired in the draft? Yes? I think that he

2009
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:02,799
Speaker 5: has built them depth in the trenches.

2010
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 9: No.

2011
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 5: Do I think that he has brought them a pass rush? Ever?

2012
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 13: No?

2013
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 7: Do I think that he continues to chase the quarterback

2014
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 7: situation and try to find stability. Yes, and yes they

2015
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:22,519
Speaker 7: had injury this year. I get it. But for what

2016
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:28,200
Speaker 7: reason if you bring back Chris Ballard after a season that,

2017
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:30,559
Speaker 7: at very best is going to be nine and eight?

2018
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 7: For what reason if you bring back Chris Ballard at

2019
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:41,040
Speaker 7: nine and eight? Where Yes, not his fault that Daniel

2020
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 7: Jones is coming off injury. Now you've got to figure

2021
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:47,040
Speaker 7: out whether or not you can even resign Daniel Jones,

2022
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:48,800
Speaker 7: and if you do, when he's going to be ready

2023
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:50,720
Speaker 7: to go, and who is backup's going to be if

2024
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:52,599
Speaker 7: he's not ready to go, and who you can have

2025
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 7: at the backup position. That's not some sort of a

2026
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:57,960
Speaker 7: sticky situation in terms of the handoff and the passing

2027
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,720
Speaker 7: of the baton from one quarterback to the neck. And

2028
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:04,080
Speaker 7: you don't have, lest I remind you, a first round

2029
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:09,639
Speaker 7: pick in each of the next two drafts. What about

2030
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 7: doing that all over again and waiting for the perfect scenario.

2031
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:18,120
Speaker 7: Daniel Jones is ready to go Week one, your roster

2032
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:22,519
Speaker 7: is back. You don't know about DeForest Buckner at this point.

2033
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:25,919
Speaker 7: What about any of that, though, based on the previous

2034
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 7: nine years, leads you to believe that it's going to

2035
01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 7: be anything other than the same thing over and over,

2036
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:35,040
Speaker 7: which is the definition of crazy, which at least, at

2037
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:38,640
Speaker 7: the very least is the way they fought yesterday. What

2038
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:41,639
Speaker 7: about it leads you to believe what level of evidence?

2039
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 7: When Bill Pollian very famously or infamously on a radio

2040
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:52,799
Speaker 7: program that jamb was manning on this in this market,

2041
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:55,559
Speaker 7: not this radio station got into an argument with Jay

2042
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:58,360
Speaker 7: Moore about Drin James, and Bill Pollion said, you.

2043
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:00,280
Speaker 5: Don't have a shred of evidence.

2044
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:05,960
Speaker 7: What part of next season suddenly going in the direction

2045
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 7: with all of the right moves and everything being as

2046
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:11,320
Speaker 7: it should be right now, that they are going to

2047
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:15,839
Speaker 7: ascend themselves back into the upper stratosphere of the NFL

2048
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:19,000
Speaker 7: where they can stay for long term. What shred of

2049
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:23,479
Speaker 7: evidence do you have to indicate that it is very

2050
01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 7: difficult to find. None of this is personal, but it's factual,

2051
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:35,440
Speaker 7: and the facts indicate that there's never a perfect time

2052
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:44,200
Speaker 7: to make seismic change. But the Colts continue to play

2053
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:49,360
Speaker 7: with Turner and Sibonis. And I don't know that their

2054
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:53,520
Speaker 7: Tyres Halliburton is out there somewhere. Maybe it's Daniel Jones,

2055
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 7: But right now, the Tyree's Halliburton that this franchise for

2056
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 7: the Colts needs is not as the floor general, but

2057
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 7: as the boardroom general. Because they need a new juice

2058
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:14,800
Speaker 7: of life, they need a new perspective, they need a

2059
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:20,040
Speaker 7: new direction, and now that's what I think needs to happen.

2060
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:26,720
Speaker 7: It is not my desire nor anybody in this field

2061
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 7: to pine for someone to be unemployed.

2062
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:34,800
Speaker 5: It's not Chris battle to be fine.

2063
01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:37,120
Speaker 7: He's made a lot of money and he'll find another

2064
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 7: job elsewhere. It's not like he's going to be unemployed forever.

2065
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:51,320
Speaker 7: But simply for the sake of the franchise, the fan base,

2066
01:55:51,680 --> 01:55:55,240
Speaker 7: and this team, it is my belief that that's the

2067
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:56,840
Speaker 7: change that needs to be made.

2068
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:02,960
Speaker 5: It is also my belief that that likely won't happen.

2069
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 7: Because I don't know Carli Ersa Gordon at all at all,

2070
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:15,040
Speaker 7: don't know her at all.

2071
01:56:16,680 --> 01:56:19,680
Speaker 5: I don't know that Stephen Holder knows her.

2072
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 7: I don't know that Mike Chappel knows her. I don't

2073
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 7: know that Joel A. Erickson knows her. Because she is

2074
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:31,080
Speaker 7: essentially in her first year as the primary owner. Yes,

2075
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:35,240
Speaker 7: I understand she was very involved, especially in the later

2076
01:56:35,320 --> 01:56:37,800
Speaker 7: years of Jim Mersey. I understand and respect all of that.

2077
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 7: You know who does know her, Chris Ballard. You know

2078
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:46,320
Speaker 7: who does know her, Shane Steichen. So Carli Ersa Gordon

2079
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:50,640
Speaker 7: would have much more knowledge about what those men mean

2080
01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:55,720
Speaker 7: to the direction of the franchise than what I or

2081
01:56:55,760 --> 01:57:02,680
Speaker 7: what she wants to see than I would, one would hope,

2082
01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:06,640
Speaker 7: and I think the vast majority I will respectfully disagree

2083
01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:09,680
Speaker 7: with Mike Chaplin this regard. The people that want Chris

2084
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:15,560
Speaker 7: Ballard out are not alled allowed minority. I think they

2085
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 7: are the overwhelming majority of Colts fans. I think the

2086
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:27,040
Speaker 7: overwhelming majority of Colts fans have seen enough. But I

2087
01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:32,440
Speaker 7: also understand that Carli Ersa Gordon is still, by the

2088
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:36,520
Speaker 7: standard of it all, new to the ownership position. And

2089
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:41,760
Speaker 7: I also understand and totally respect if, in fact that

2090
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:46,480
Speaker 7: allows her to feel a comfort with familiarity and familiarity

2091
01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:49,080
Speaker 7: of the people around her, and that while she is

2092
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:53,200
Speaker 7: still navigating her way through being an owner and making

2093
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 7: changes in all of those things, she may well say. Look,

2094
01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:02,840
Speaker 7: when this team was healthy, we were talking about how

2095
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:05,200
Speaker 7: they had as good a roster as anybody in the league.

2096
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:08,400
Speaker 7: When this team was healthy, we were talking about historic

2097
01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:12,560
Speaker 7: precedent in terms of offensive efficiency. When this team was healthy,

2098
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:14,920
Speaker 7: we were talking about a quarterback and a running back

2099
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 7: that were in the conversation for Most Valuable Player. And

2100
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:21,600
Speaker 7: when this team was healthy, I saw a trade being

2101
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:24,880
Speaker 7: made for a cornerback that is young that we thought

2102
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 7: was the final piece, and letting us contend for a

2103
01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 7: Super Bowl trophy, and all of those cases and points

2104
01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:38,080
Speaker 7: being made have merit. They are not inaccurate. They are not.

2105
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:41,920
Speaker 7: And what I don't know, nor does anybody from here

2106
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:43,800
Speaker 7: to the man in the moon know, is whether or

2107
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:49,400
Speaker 7: not those thoughts are long term valid. All I know

2108
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:54,839
Speaker 7: is this, sometimes in life you have to look at precedent,

2109
01:58:56,200 --> 01:59:00,919
Speaker 7: and oftentimes success in life is found not in chasing

2110
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:04,480
Speaker 7: the exception to the rule, but following the guidelines of

2111
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:07,520
Speaker 7: the rules themselves, and the guidelines of the rules under

2112
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:10,520
Speaker 7: the tenure of Chris Ballard with the Indianapolis Colts is

2113
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:14,960
Speaker 7: in fact being stuck in that vat of Turner and Sibonis,

2114
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:19,240
Speaker 7: and that's where they are, and that's why I believe

2115
01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:25,240
Speaker 7: they should make a change philosophically. But I'm not the

2116
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:27,640
Speaker 7: one over there on West fifty sixth Street that is

2117
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:31,760
Speaker 7: making those decisions. And I respect because there is, in fact,

2118
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:34,839
Speaker 7: if you were giving this as a high school debate class,

2119
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:39,360
Speaker 7: there is in fact a very sound argument that you

2120
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:43,160
Speaker 7: could align for kids on both sides of the classroom,

2121
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:45,920
Speaker 7: on both sides of it. But people asked me what

2122
01:59:46,040 --> 01:59:48,640
Speaker 7: I thought they should do. That's what I think they

2123
01:59:48,640 --> 01:59:51,520
Speaker 7: should do. People ask me what I thought they will do.

2124
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:56,480
Speaker 7: And as of right now on this the and I

2125
01:59:56,520 --> 01:59:59,000
Speaker 7: can never remember if today's the twenty eight, twenty nine, thirtieth,

2126
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:01,480
Speaker 7: whatever it might be. I think today's the twenty ninth.

2127
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:04,080
Speaker 1: It's the last Monday of twenty twenty five.

2128
02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:06,840
Speaker 7: Thank you on this the last Monday of twenty twenty five.

2129
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:08,760
Speaker 7: That's where I think things stand.

2130
02:00:09,960 --> 02:00:10,280
Speaker 5: Now.

2131
02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:15,080
Speaker 7: Another thing when it comes to seismic change, no perfect

2132
02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:19,520
Speaker 7: timing for seismic change. There are winds of change sweeping

2133
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:26,280
Speaker 7: through college basketball. Brian Nubert watches Perdue, who might be

2134
02:00:26,360 --> 02:00:28,360
Speaker 7: one of them that is standing as the old guard

2135
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:32,200
Speaker 7: as this wind of change takes place. But I wanted

2136
02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:34,400
Speaker 7: to have Nubert on not only to talk about Perdue,

2137
02:00:34,440 --> 02:00:38,000
Speaker 7: who's got Kent State tonight, but also to talk about

2138
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,760
Speaker 7: the change in the evolution of college Basketbaok is written

2139
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:44,480
Speaker 7: because he has written about it on Golden Black, and

2140
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:49,680
Speaker 7: he's going to join us next. By the way, this

2141
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:56,440
Speaker 7: from Corey really good point. Corey says Jake, I always

2142
02:00:56,520 --> 02:00:59,520
Speaker 7: chalk up the Ballard Colts era to Jeff Saturday was

2143
02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 7: at one point point head coach. I'm still waiting for

2144
02:01:01,720 --> 02:01:05,080
Speaker 7: the Richardsons, Quitty Pays and Leatus to wow me. Andy

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Speaker 7: brought in a forty four year old quarterback out of

2146
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Speaker 7: a four year retirement to try to save the season.

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Speaker 5: He's got to go that.

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Speaker 7: According to our buddy Corey elliott Well said, listen again,

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Speaker 7: none of it is like some sort of a personal thing.

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Speaker 7: I just think that eventually you've got to look at

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Speaker 7: the body of work and say, how many times are

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Speaker 7: we going to say, yeah, but one more run, just

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Speaker 7: one more time. Eventually you've got to just basically say,

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Speaker 7: you know what, I'm not going to wait for the

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Speaker 7: perfect time. That music should have told you everything you

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Speaker 7: need to know about. Our next guest Brian Nubert, who

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Speaker 7: joins us on the Java House Peel and poor guest line.

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Speaker 7: Java house dot com is the website Jake twenty five.

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Speaker 7: You get twenty five percent off for your appeal in

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Speaker 7: poor Pods and Brian had a really good article at

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Speaker 7: Golden Black.

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Speaker 5: As we've talked about.

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Speaker 7: The world of college basketball and the ever kind of

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Speaker 7: like yesterday to today, sweeping wind that comes in and

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Speaker 7: changes everything weekly word college basketball, ringers, Purdue football and basketball,

2166
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Speaker 7: and more from Brian Nubert, who joins us on the show. Brian,

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Speaker 7: when I saw the column, I saw right there the

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Speaker 7: picture of Scott Drew and I knew exactly what it

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Speaker 7: was about. We have entered into the wild wild West,

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Speaker 7: have we not.

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Speaker 12: I think they answered into that a long time ago,

2172
02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:28,120
Speaker 12: but I think they have transcended it now by basically

2173
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Speaker 12: taking all the rules that were already there that they

2174
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Speaker 12: complain about, and then just blowing them all up. So

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Speaker 12: coaches have no one to blame but themselves. They have

2176
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Speaker 12: to be the ones to just not do this. Show

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Speaker 12: some restraint here and there. Don't blame don't blame the

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Speaker 12: rules that your presidents and your athletic directors wrote. Blame yourselves, Like,

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Speaker 12: stop doing it. If you think it might not be

2180
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Speaker 12: good for college basketball to go sign a draft pick

2181
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Speaker 12: just because you can and not should, just don't do it,

2182
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Speaker 12: you know, because now there's all kinds of precedent established here,

2183
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Speaker 12: all sorts of other loopholes that have been created by

2184
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Speaker 12: this one loophole hunting coach who I used to feel

2185
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Speaker 12: bad for because BYU signed or bought away his best

2186
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Speaker 12: player last spring, But now you know it's he just

2187
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Speaker 12: he just damaged the game. I know people will say

2188
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Speaker 12: coaches have to do what they have to do to win,

2189
02:03:23,160 --> 02:03:26,280
Speaker 12: but these guys also signed up to be college basketball

2190
02:03:26,280 --> 02:03:29,520
Speaker 12: coaches and they get paid very well to do it,

2191
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Speaker 12: and that's all they care about is protecting that.

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Speaker 5: So if this James Nagy.

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Speaker 12: Situation creates stuff like this to come, then you know,

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Speaker 12: the soul of college basketball is compromised.

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Speaker 7: And for those unfamiliar, I can't imagine there are those.

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Speaker 7: But for those unfamiliar, what we're talking about is players

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Speaker 7: now that have been on a two way contract in

2198
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Speaker 7: the NBA that are now eligible or deemed to be

2199
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Speaker 7: eligible Scott Drew signing or you know, going out and

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Speaker 7: recruiting one for Baylor.

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Speaker 5: We're seeing more.

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Speaker 7: There's a player that just played, I think, in an

2203
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Speaker 7: NBA game that has opened up recruiting from a college standpoint.

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Speaker 7: Brian I flippantly posted this yesterday and I want your.

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Speaker 5: Reaction to it.

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Speaker 7: But I've mentioned this casually over the last probably five years.

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Speaker 7: But I jokingly said, the twenty thirty thirty one NBA

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Speaker 7: G League Alabama Crimson Tied, Arkansas Razorbacks, Baylor Bears, Ignite,

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Speaker 7: IMG Academy, Indiana Hoosiers, Kansas Jayhawks, Kentucky Wildcats, Oregon Ducks.

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Speaker 5: You get the point.

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Speaker 7: Are we headed there where eventually you're going to have

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Speaker 7: power programs that are going to secede away from the

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Speaker 7: NCAA and say, you know what, we are now aligning

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Speaker 7: ourselves with NBA funding and we are going to become

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Speaker 7: a G league. I know that sounds ludicrous or does it?

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Speaker 12: Just to circle back on something real quick, that James

2217
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Speaker 12: is the James Naji kid who signed with Baylor. Didn't

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Speaker 12: sign an NBA contract, So that's what that's right.

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Speaker 7: He was and he's a He was a foreign right

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Speaker 7: drafted in.

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Speaker 5: Had grafted, but he did not sign. My apologies.

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Speaker 12: So Trenton Flowers is the kid who is in the

2223
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Speaker 12: G league now who there was a report this weekend

2224
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Speaker 12: about him getting some interest. He has played in NBA games.

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Speaker 12: He I can't imagine him possibly being eligible to play

2226
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Speaker 12: college basketball, But that hasn't stopped schools from at least

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Speaker 12: calling to try to find out because that's the extent

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Speaker 12: they're willing to go. But a lot of schools behind

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Speaker 12: the scenes have kind of separated themselves from that since

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Speaker 12: that first came out. Whether or not you will see,

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Speaker 12: you know, college basketball become kind of a G league

2232
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Speaker 12: type of situation, as you kind of alluded to, Uh,

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Speaker 12: I don't know. I mean ultimately, you're still tethered to

2234
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Speaker 12: higher education as much of as much as that's become

2235
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Speaker 12: a punchline here in recent years. I don't know how

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Speaker 12: these admissions officers are getting this done in a lot

2237
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Speaker 12: of cases, but I think, you know, college basketball to

2238
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Speaker 12: a certain extent has always been a G league because

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Speaker 12: all the one and done's. The NBA has that rule,

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Speaker 12: not because they want those guys going to college to

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Speaker 12: benefit the colleges, but because they want those guys becoming

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Speaker 12: stars in their sport before they get to the NBA.

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Speaker 12: So there's a brand there so that people are interested

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Speaker 12: in the draft. You know, that's always been kind of

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Speaker 12: a self serving NBA rule. I don't know where this goes,

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Speaker 12: but all the professionals coming over from Europe, a lot

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Speaker 12: of whom are in their twenties, a lot of these

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Speaker 12: you know, fringe NBA guys who might be warming their

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Speaker 12: way into college basketball now because coaches let them in.

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Speaker 12: This is all about the coaches. This is not the

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Speaker 12: NC doable A. I think people need to understand that

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Speaker 12: the NC doable A is the coaches and is the

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Speaker 12: university presidents. They write the rules and then their coaches

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Speaker 12: go and find ways around those rules. So when Scott

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Speaker 12: Drew comes out today and blames the NC DOABLEA for

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Speaker 12: they're not being rules, he's taught on himself because he's

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Speaker 12: in the NABC. His university is part of the ncluble

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Speaker 12: A that forms these committees that make these rules.

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Speaker 5: And then.

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Speaker 12: He goes out, sees a loop, Paul takes advantage of

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Speaker 12: it and then blows up all the other rules. So

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Speaker 12: who knows where this goes from here, But the NC

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Speaker 12: DOUABLEA does not move quickly as we know. So if

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Speaker 12: anybody expects there to be rules passed down tomorrow that

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Speaker 12: coaches can no longer do this sort of stuff, that's

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Speaker 12: just not going to happen. It's up to the coaches

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Speaker 12: to not do it. And coaches can't help themselves because

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Speaker 12: they need to win, they need to protect their contracts,

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Speaker 12: and they will do whatever they have to do to

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Speaker 12: benefit them right here, right now and not worry about

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Speaker 12: what it means for this sport that they have leaned

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Speaker 12: large in for their entire careers.

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Speaker 5: Brian.

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Speaker 7: One of the things that most impresses me about Brian

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Speaker 7: Nibbert's my guest, Jaba House, Peel and Port gas Line.

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Speaker 5: He's with Golden Black.

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Speaker 7: What has most impressed me about Matt Painter and about

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Speaker 7: the Purdue basketball program is it almost feels like they're

2279
02:08:20,440 --> 02:08:24,240
Speaker 7: they're like the last pillar of scruples here in this

2280
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Speaker 7: And when you look at Trey Kaufman, Renn and Fletcher Lawyer,

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Speaker 7: you know, Braden Smith, guys that had opportunity to go

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Speaker 7: elsewhere once, particularly that they were established at Purdue. There's

2283
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Speaker 7: a culture there. And that's such an overused word culture, right, yes, yes,

2284
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:44,800
Speaker 7: but Matt Painter, Yeah, I mean, and Matt Painter has

2285
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Speaker 7: been able to go out and say and he's masterful

2286
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Speaker 7: at using this magnifying glass to scrutinize and look over

2287
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Speaker 7: players and say that guy has my culture.

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Speaker 5: Can Purdue continue to do that?

2289
02:09:00,680 --> 02:09:04,160
Speaker 7: Or are these guys the last sand going through the

2290
02:09:04,200 --> 02:09:09,520
Speaker 7: hourglass before eventually everyone has to conform to this new way.

2291
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Speaker 12: Well, I don't think he's going to go to the

2292
02:09:13,480 --> 02:09:15,880
Speaker 12: links that you know, Scott Drew just went to. I

2293
02:09:15,880 --> 02:09:17,560
Speaker 12: don't think he's going to go to the links that

2294
02:09:17,640 --> 02:09:21,200
Speaker 12: the byus of the world. You know, a lot of

2295
02:09:21,240 --> 02:09:25,720
Speaker 12: the big money places are going to go to produced

2296
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:28,440
Speaker 12: players do very well financially. This isn't you know, a

2297
02:09:28,520 --> 02:09:34,040
Speaker 12: situation where where Purdue has refused to acclimate to the

2298
02:09:34,080 --> 02:09:36,560
Speaker 12: conditions on the ground. They just don't push boundaries.

2299
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Speaker 5: They just.

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Speaker 12: They just play the game as the rules are written.

2301
02:09:42,040 --> 02:09:45,280
Speaker 12: You could you could make a tortured argument that Scott

2302
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:47,600
Speaker 12: Drew's doing the same thing, but that doesn't mean that

2303
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:50,760
Speaker 12: what he's doing is in the best interest of the game.

2304
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:55,720
Speaker 12: Purdue has done things its way, which it would call

2305
02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:58,040
Speaker 12: the right way. I would tend to agree with it.

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02:09:58,440 --> 02:10:02,680
Speaker 12: I've always kind of wondered, you know, when the FBI

2307
02:10:02,760 --> 02:10:05,160
Speaker 12: stuff came out, nothing came of it, like, who's the

2308
02:10:05,200 --> 02:10:08,640
Speaker 12: sucker here? Is it the people doing it the right way?

2309
02:10:08,720 --> 02:10:10,600
Speaker 12: Or is the people doing it the wrong way or

2310
02:10:10,640 --> 02:10:14,960
Speaker 12: the or the illegal way? And I think that produce

2311
02:10:15,040 --> 02:10:19,080
Speaker 12: success here. The last five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten

2312
02:10:19,160 --> 02:10:23,080
Speaker 12: years has kind of validated Purdue's way as an effective way.

2313
02:10:23,240 --> 02:10:25,920
Speaker 12: You can still do it a certain way, and when

2314
02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:28,480
Speaker 12: big I don't see that really falling off a cliff

2315
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:31,640
Speaker 12: after this year, when all these seniors leave Purdue. I

2316
02:10:31,640 --> 02:10:35,000
Speaker 12: think they've got a pretty good thing set up, so

2317
02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:38,720
Speaker 12: it's sustainable. It's just it's going to get you at

2318
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:42,520
Speaker 12: some point. It's going to get you when somebody you

2319
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:44,880
Speaker 12: don't expect to leave leaves. It's going to get you

2320
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:50,240
Speaker 12: when somebody does jump for more money. I think the

2321
02:10:50,360 --> 02:10:54,200
Speaker 12: whole discussion about Purdue keeping all these guys in school,

2322
02:10:54,920 --> 02:10:58,520
Speaker 12: when people talk about that, that they completely underestimate the

2323
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:01,000
Speaker 12: fact that sometimes guys want to play where they want

2324
02:11:01,000 --> 02:11:05,320
Speaker 12: to play. If they're happy at the school they're at.

2325
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Speaker 12: Making two and a half million dollars a year instead

2326
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:12,000
Speaker 12: of a million dollars a year, it's not as big

2327
02:11:12,040 --> 02:11:15,280
Speaker 12: a deal. And I think all of these guys appreciate

2328
02:11:15,400 --> 02:11:17,320
Speaker 12: that Matt Painter has been fair with them, He's been

2329
02:11:17,320 --> 02:11:20,960
Speaker 12: honest with them. They can't ask for better basketball situations

2330
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:22,960
Speaker 12: because they've played it every minute they can handle since

2331
02:11:23,040 --> 02:11:28,080
Speaker 12: day one at Purdue. They've never been lied to, They've

2332
02:11:29,680 --> 02:11:34,040
Speaker 12: they've never been promised things that weren't delivered upon. And

2333
02:11:34,080 --> 02:11:36,640
Speaker 12: that's just kind of his way of doing things. And

2334
02:11:37,160 --> 02:11:38,960
Speaker 12: I'm sure a lot of coaches would say they do

2335
02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:43,000
Speaker 12: the same things, and probably they don't. But so far,

2336
02:11:43,200 --> 02:11:45,160
Speaker 12: so good for Matt Painter in terms of doing things

2337
02:11:45,200 --> 02:11:49,040
Speaker 12: his way and succeeding. I think it's it's endurable for

2338
02:11:49,080 --> 02:11:52,800
Speaker 12: the for the short term. We'll see where kind of

2339
02:11:52,800 --> 02:11:54,960
Speaker 12: things go in the future if this becomes a situation

2340
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:58,280
Speaker 12: where everybody's rolling out g leaguers and finding ways to

2341
02:11:58,280 --> 02:12:01,160
Speaker 12: get twenty three and twenty four year olds into school

2342
02:12:01,240 --> 02:12:05,080
Speaker 12: and importing new international pro teams every single year like

2343
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:05,800
Speaker 12: Illinois is.

2344
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

2345
02:12:09,320 --> 02:12:13,360
Speaker 12: We'll have to see, but for the time being, I

2346
02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:15,680
Speaker 12: think Produce in a pretty good spot doing it its way.

2347
02:12:15,880 --> 02:12:16,480
Speaker 5: Okay, Brian.

2348
02:12:16,600 --> 02:12:21,240
Speaker 7: Lastly, tonight obviously Purdue taking on Kent State. That is

2349
02:12:22,040 --> 02:12:24,000
Speaker 7: kind of the last of things before you get into

2350
02:12:24,080 --> 02:12:26,640
Speaker 7: and we turn the calendar into the Big Ten play

2351
02:12:26,680 --> 02:12:29,520
Speaker 7: anything in particular you're looking for there, is there anything

2352
02:12:29,560 --> 02:12:33,280
Speaker 7: that you have seen or not seen so far out

2353
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:36,000
Speaker 7: of this group that you say, yeah, I still want

2354
02:12:36,040 --> 02:12:39,120
Speaker 7: to see that fine tuned or are they really realistically

2355
02:12:39,160 --> 02:12:41,480
Speaker 7: in pretty good shape and we know who they are?

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Consistency.

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Speaker 12: I think the way that Purdue has defended since the

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Speaker 12: second half the Iowa State game, which was kind of

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Speaker 12: an abomination, the way Produce defended, the effort they've put

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Speaker 12: in to being good defensively, the connectedness they've played with defensively,

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Speaker 12: the tone Braden Smith especially has set from a defensive

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Speaker 12: standpoint has been a game changer for them, and between

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Speaker 12: that if they maintain it all year and the rebounding

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Speaker 12: piece of it, I think you're pretty well suited to

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Speaker 12: win on the road, and you're obviously going to have

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Speaker 12: to win a lot of road games to win the

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Speaker 12: Big Ten. And I think Purdue's got a huge advantage

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Speaker 12: in the Big Ten race given that Michigan, Michigan State,

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Speaker 12: and Illinois all come to Mcreina only. But that's only

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Speaker 12: an advantage for Purdue if they don't take care of

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Speaker 12: business at Wisconsin, if they don't win it Indiana, which

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Speaker 12: they should, but we've said that a lot in recent years,

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Speaker 12: and it's not always happened.

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Speaker 5: You know, in.

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Speaker 12: Nebraska, all of a sudden looks like a really tough

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Speaker 12: road game. So Purdue's got to beat the people on

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Speaker 12: the road that it should be, and if it does,

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02:13:50,120 --> 02:13:51,880
Speaker 12: then all of a sudden, you're sitting here with huge

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Speaker 12: advantages with Michigan, Michigan State, and Illinois all being one

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Speaker 12: offs all in mac Arena, and if you can protect

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Speaker 12: your home court and get at least two of those games,

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02:14:00,600 --> 02:14:04,000
Speaker 12: not all three, you're gonna win a Big Ten.

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Speaker 5: Brian, you ever had an IQ tech? You ever taken

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Speaker 5: an IQ test?

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Speaker 12: I haven't I'd be afraid of the results.

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Speaker 7: One hundred and forty six. That's what I'm saying for you,

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Speaker 7: one hundred and forty six. I can tell in your writing.

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Speaker 7: When I read your stuff, I think to myself, this

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Speaker 7: guy genius level and is able to put this stuff

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Speaker 7: in a place where someone like me and the Vata

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Speaker 7: mediocrity can comprehend it, which is in itself a gift. Right,

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Speaker 7: So that might be one hundred and forty eight. I'll

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Speaker 7: give you two more points for that gift.

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Speaker 12: Thank you for telling your listeners that I paid you

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Speaker 12: to say that.

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Speaker 5: No, you didn't. You didn't, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 7: But you can venmo me if you'd like, or just

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Speaker 7: get me a Java house when I'm up in Lafayette next.

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Speaker 7: I always love that as well, Brian. I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 7: Is always got a house? What's happening, Jake?

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Speaker 12: I will happily get you a Java house anytime you're

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Speaker 12: in town.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate it. Happy New Year to you man, you as well, Jake.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for man.

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Speaker 7: Brianneubert Goldenblack dot com. JMV is in the building. I

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Speaker 7: saw him skulking around. We will find out what he's

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Speaker 7: got cooking for the big program and hand it off

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Speaker 7: to him next. It's a great tune, just a great tune,

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02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:35,920
Speaker 7: and I suddenly can't hear it anymore.

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Speaker 5: Eddie. Hopefully my voice is still going out over the radio.

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Speaker 5: J and V will be in there we go. It's back.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: I used to be able to sing along with this

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Speaker 7: whole thing back in my younger days, Eddie. I won't

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Speaker 7: do it for you.

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Speaker 1: Now, younger days. You act like you're old.

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Speaker 5: I know reality. I'd like to think I'm youthful though, right.

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Speaker 1: You're pretty.

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty spry.

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Speaker 7: I'd like to think that. Here's the thing, I look young,

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02:16:08,080 --> 02:16:10,880
Speaker 7: and because Shannon looks young, right, she is young. But

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Speaker 7: I'm just saying so that keeps me spry, chick.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you need to correct yourself because she

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Speaker 1: doesn't listen to this show.

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Speaker 5: That is correct.

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Speaker 1: Well, she's listening in eight minutes.

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Speaker 7: No, she's gonna she's starting to listen out because JMV

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02:16:22,720 --> 02:16:24,839
Speaker 7: is walking in for the crossover. So I can assure

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Speaker 7: you that that is in fact the case. By the way,

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Speaker 7: tomorrow night, seven o'clock Inside AU Football Special Edition is

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Speaker 7: Indiana gets set for the Rose Bowl. We mentioned that

2438
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Speaker 7: now tonight the Pacers are on the road, Is that right, Eddie?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in Houston.

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Speaker 7: They are in Houston where the Colts will be on Sunday.

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02:16:42,600 --> 02:16:46,840
Speaker 7: This game for the Pacers, I guess more meaningful because

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02:16:46,879 --> 02:16:49,959
Speaker 7: even though they're in the similar case, at least for

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02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:52,920
Speaker 7: the Pacers, Rick Carlisle still going for win number one thousand.

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Speaker 5: JMB has arrived.

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Speaker 1: They stink which one the Pacers?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're not very good.

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02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:03,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like one step forward, two steps back each

2448
02:17:03,800 --> 02:17:05,920
Speaker 7: time you think of Guy's Yeah, you know, I mean TJ.

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Speaker 5: McConnell.

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Speaker 7: Now with quote unquote hamstring soreness, Aaron Nee Smith.

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Speaker 10: I don't like to hear when Pascal Siakam feels compelled

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02:17:14,600 --> 02:17:19,040
Speaker 10: to talk about what the difference is between taking things

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02:17:19,080 --> 02:17:25,800
Speaker 10: seriously and really being objective and losing or just accepting losing.

2454
02:17:26,400 --> 02:17:28,640
Speaker 10: Like I thought this group wouldn't have to have that

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02:17:28,760 --> 02:17:31,080
Speaker 10: explained to them by a veteran or anybody. And the

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02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:32,760
Speaker 10: fact he had to do that last week was a

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02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:35,800
Speaker 10: little off putting, I thought, not for him, but the

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02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:37,039
Speaker 10: fact that he had to do it.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: But I I and I'm not saying this as some

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Speaker 7: sort of an apologist. The thing that I have to

2462
02:17:43,040 --> 02:17:45,600
Speaker 7: keep reminding myself is that so many of the players

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Speaker 7: on the floor are guys that have no part of

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Speaker 7: their future.

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean you forget Toppen's the guy you completely

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Speaker 7: forget about, but I mean that he's out topping Nie

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Speaker 7: Smith and then you know, obviously Haliburton's the big one.

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Speaker 7: But it's just such I think the thing that's frustrating

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Speaker 7: John is guys like Jeris Walker and Ben Matheren who

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02:18:05,560 --> 02:18:08,080
Speaker 7: you have such an opportunity there and they just have

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Speaker 7: not taken advantage.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, the Matherin thing that's going to come to ahead,

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Speaker 10: Yeah pretty soon, it seems.

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Speaker 7: Sure, But you wonder if he's played him not he himself,

2476
02:18:17,160 --> 02:18:19,879
Speaker 7: but have you know, is his value such that what

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Speaker 7: are you going to get for him? At this point,

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02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:23,640
Speaker 7: I mean, you're going to get something, but not maybe

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Speaker 7: to the level that you thought.

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Speaker 10: I think he's a guy that they don't have. But

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Speaker 10: is he ever going to be the guy that Rick

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Speaker 10: Carlisle is willing to accept? If Haliburton is back, is

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Speaker 10: that attitude different if guys are back and they're winning.

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Speaker 5: Is that attitude?

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Speaker 10: Is this attitude coming with the fact that they're arguably

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Speaker 10: the worst team of the.

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Speaker 5: NBA right now?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 5: No, I know, but I just I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I thought Matheren from a scoring standpoint, would start to

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Speaker 7: show more versatility in scoring that would make him a

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Speaker 7: wider spread product than that other teams would have an interest.

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Speaker 5: I think that the Pacers going to view it like that.

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Speaker 5: They they want to try.

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Speaker 10: I think people want Matherin to be something that he's

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02:19:08,400 --> 02:19:10,800
Speaker 10: not going to be. I think he is going to

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Speaker 10: be a dictative type of scoring threat. I agree, and

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02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:18,680
Speaker 10: all this other stuff people are asking for, you're going

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02:19:18,760 --> 02:19:20,800
Speaker 10: to be window dressing, I think. And he could fall

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Speaker 10: in line with guys around him, but he's not going

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Speaker 10: to be that type of single player.

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02:19:24,879 --> 02:19:26,480
Speaker 5: But he's going to be a go get it guy.

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02:19:26,760 --> 02:19:28,240
Speaker 5: When you have guys that.

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Speaker 7: Are threats on the floor with him, right, I just

2505
02:19:31,240 --> 02:19:32,720
Speaker 7: but again, I think it's gonna be elsewhere.

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Speaker 5: That's my gut. But and that would stink, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 5: That would And then seeing what.

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Speaker 10: They're gonna end up getting is one of the top

2509
02:19:40,959 --> 02:19:43,080
Speaker 10: picks right in the NBA.

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Speaker 5: Is is pretty interesting too, But no, it is a bummer.

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Speaker 10: And Jake, once we get past IU football, once you know,

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Speaker 10: we get into college basketball, you better run on the

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Speaker 10: boiler Makers.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, because.

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Speaker 10: There's going to be few and far between things going

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02:19:56,680 --> 02:19:59,160
Speaker 10: on around here, especially if the coach, for whatever reason,

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02:19:59,160 --> 02:20:00,959
Speaker 10: decide to run this thing back.

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Speaker 5: For whatever reason. But I have a feeling that that's

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Speaker 5: what you're going to be talking about over the next month.

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Speaker 10: Goodness, we can't can't go out losing seven straight. I mean,

2521
02:20:10,520 --> 02:20:14,359
Speaker 10: not everything is excusable, right, the whole resume is not excusable.

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02:20:14,400 --> 02:20:17,720
Speaker 5: And one, I mean, come on, all.

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Speaker 7: Right, jo jameson Jay and V's up next with explanation,

2524
02:20:21,360 --> 02:20:23,879
Speaker 7: breakdown where they go from here, where he thinks they

2525
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:26,280
Speaker 7: should go from here. Although there is still the game left,

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02:20:26,400 --> 02:20:28,480
Speaker 7: we'll let him do it next and we will be

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Speaker 7: back with you at noon tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you listening to quarry company