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Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of The Fan Morning Show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five The Fan.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Mark Dykton, Happy Saint Patrick's Day.

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Speaker 3: Give me a green beer.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised you don't have one in your little cup

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Speaker 2: back there.

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Speaker 4: I'm Jamison would be nice too, I'm not I'm not opposed.

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Speaker 2: Would you be shocked Kevin Bowen if he's rocking a

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Speaker 2: little jamison or green beer back there?

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Speaker 5: No, I would ask him if he had another cup, because, frankly,

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Speaker 5: you look outside right now and you need it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, warm your bones.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 5: I like that you might need both.

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Speaker 6: Said, warm your bones.

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Speaker 2: It's The Fan Morning Show, ninety three five, one o

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Speaker 2: seven five The Fan. We've got James Boy, We've got

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Speaker 2: Kevin Bowen, who was dressed appropriately for Saint Patrick's Day today,

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Speaker 2: and Mark Dyton also rocking an Oregon T shirt.

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Speaker 4: Of all things Oregon strong is what it says. I think, No,

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Speaker 4: mighty Oregon, that's what it says.

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Speaker 6: I think reading was not on the list of things

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Speaker 6: that Mark Dyton does well.

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Speaker 3: Growing you know, the kids are sleeping.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I know I have a green shirt in

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Speaker 4: here somewhere, I'm digging through it. I'm just reaching. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: there it is. Throw it on, like I don't have

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Speaker 4: to read it. Let everybody else read it.

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Speaker 2: I got. You know, when I see Oregon, now, I

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Speaker 2: think that's to me kind of where Indiana this past

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Speaker 2: year really turned the corner and I thought to myself, Man,

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Speaker 2: this could be something happening here for the Indiana Hoosiers.

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Speaker 2: They started building on that. They built on the Iowa

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Speaker 2: Road Wind. Then they built on the Oregon Road Wind.

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Speaker 4: That was a glorious campus, the Oregon campus. If you've

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Speaker 4: never been, I would encourage you to see what the

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Speaker 4: Nike money can build by you.

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Speaker 3: It's quite a lot.

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Speaker 2: They always say it never rains in Eugene on a

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Speaker 2: football Saturday, and every time I've been there on a

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Speaker 2: football Saturday, it rains.

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Speaker 4: So that's just you. Then you got some bad juju

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Speaker 4: or something. You don't have any shimmer you an Irish

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Speaker 4: car bomber mark sure back in the day.

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Speaker 5: Well, I can just feel a sit in my stomach.

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Speaker 5: That's a five course meal when you can.

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Speaker 4: Sell you know it cutting into a beer like a

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Speaker 4: Guinness or something.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you look at you.

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Speaker 2: You were lost there and thought. I looked over and

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Speaker 2: you were like in a blissful state.

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Speaker 5: I just assumed you're probably not much of an Irish

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Speaker 5: car bomber. Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: I'm probably not much of a drinker anyway, either way around.

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Speaker 6: I've never heard of that until two seconds ago.

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Speaker 5: It probably weighs as much as James Boyd when it

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Speaker 5: sits there in your stomach after assuming that.

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Speaker 6: Doesn't sound pleasant?

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Speaker 2: Your bad influence on me, Kevin? You got me to

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Speaker 2: drink beer on Carb Day last year.

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Speaker 5: To me, it sounds like a holiday. Doesn't sound like

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Speaker 5: a bad influence at all there. But yeah, I can't wait.

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Speaker 5: What do we You look outside right now and you think,

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Speaker 5: boy Carb Day? Come on, here we go.

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Speaker 2: I was having conversations with somebody up in promotions yesterday

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Speaker 2: about Carb Day. We're already looking forward to that. In

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Speaker 2: the meantime, the Indianapolis Colts, like everybody else, trying to

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Speaker 2: navigate the off season. They did get their quarterback back.

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Speaker 2: They signed Daniel Jones to a two year deal. Then

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Speaker 2: they signed Alec Pearce, well, they signed him first to

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Speaker 2: a four year and then they've made various and sundry

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Speaker 2: moves after that. James but here's the question. Have they

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Speaker 2: filled the holes they needed to fill appropriately? And have

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Speaker 2: they done enough to be a better team in twenty

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Speaker 6: No, right now, and honestly, and I was going through

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Speaker 6: the depth chart this morning and last night. Boy, it

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Speaker 6: is bleak when you look at the linebackers and the

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Speaker 6: defensive ends, in particular linebacker right now, Kevin. My projected

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Speaker 6: starters at the moment are Jalen, Carlis and Austin and

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Speaker 6: Jaki like that cannot happen. Neither one of those guys

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Speaker 6: should start. And you have to find they don't even

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Speaker 6: have a starter right now on the team. Is Sean

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Speaker 6: Bullock the only other linebacker on the roster right now?

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Speaker 6: I mean, they have others on the roster, but who

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Speaker 6: John Bullock? He's on the team, And that's the whole point.

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Speaker 5: Never heard of them, That's just fine.

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Speaker 6: But the point is they they need a lot of

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Speaker 6: help when it comes to that position in particular, and

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Speaker 6: obviously defensive end as well. I listen at arden Key

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Speaker 6: as the other starter opposite of Liatu lat too, but

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Speaker 6: he should not be a starter. And again, I'll be

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Speaker 6: fair to the cold so you have plenty of free

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Speaker 6: agency left. I don't know what's out there, and you

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Speaker 6: have the draft. But my concern is that you have

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Speaker 6: so many needs that you necessarily can't fill all of

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Speaker 6: free agency. And I know people ever talking about, okay,

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Speaker 6: well trade for Jonathan Nard to Kevin's point from throughout

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Speaker 6: yesterday's show, and really the last week or so, you

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Speaker 6: think Chris bald is gonna give up another top one

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Speaker 6: hundred pick to go get a defensive end. I don't

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Speaker 6: hate the idea, but again, the means do not meet

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Speaker 6: the demands right now for this team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Ballad is really not. I'd argue you hasn't really

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Speaker 5: taken many risks this offseason, like financially so far. You know,

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Speaker 5: I think when you get these gms that are whatever

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Speaker 5: the final year of the contract, like Ballad is, or

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Speaker 5: you feel like he's on a scorching hot seat, you

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Speaker 5: might do some things that mortgage stuff for the future.

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Speaker 5: You might whatever be more willing to make those trades.

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Speaker 5: You might be more willing to say, hey, we got

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Speaker 5: to spend and spend and spend, we got to spend early.

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Speaker 5: We got to try and get this roster and as

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Speaker 5: great as short term shape as possible, because I need

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Speaker 5: and beyond, and really they haven't operated in that manner. Again,

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Speaker 5: to me, it has a feel of a prior off season, which,

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Speaker 5: you know, you can look at it one or two ways.

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Speaker 5: If you're a Colts fan, part of you might say, well,

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Speaker 5: I appreciate that they haven't, you know, necessarily mortgage stuff

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Speaker 5: for the future. I have a feeling more people would

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Speaker 5: say this is just typical Ballard, and this is gonna

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Speaker 5: be a big reason why, you know, when it's all

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Speaker 5: said and done, his tenure does not live up to

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Speaker 5: anywhere near certainly the gym or say hype when he

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Speaker 5: to me of like twenty twenty one's, twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, of like, wait a minute, are you

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Speaker 5: is the one real, true week where you have accomplished professionals,

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Speaker 5: albeit big money contracts, but you have them available to you.

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Speaker 2: You start to look at the offense as well, and

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Speaker 2: we mentioned that they has there really been a replacement

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Speaker 2: in time. We know that Tyler Warren's coming back. He

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Speaker 2: had a terrific I don't know, first two thirds of

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Don't know that it was necessarily his

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Speaker 2: that's your receiving core right now. How you feel about that?

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Speaker 6: I don't necessarily hated Jeff and I I've view Tyler

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Speaker 6: like he'll be their number two receivers so to speak.

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Speaker 6: But I'm still think you'd a starting caliber receiver added

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Speaker 6: I don't think that he can be your number two.

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Speaker 6: Down is a very good slot receiver. But if you're

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Speaker 6: be like the tough guy who gets the tough yards.

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Speaker 6: I don't see that necessarily in his future. And again

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Speaker 6: that's fine. He's good and great actually what he does.

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Speaker 6: But how do you fill that void? And even though

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Speaker 6: I would assume Pierce targets go up, Tyler Warren targets

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Speaker 6: I think, to offset some of that and just draw

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Speaker 6: attention away from the defense, whether that's drafting receiver or

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Speaker 6: adding one via free agency. So I don't think it's

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Speaker 6: as easy as saying, oh, Josh Down's just step up,

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Speaker 6: because you need bodies quite frankly as well. And I

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Speaker 6: know Ashton Doolan has done fairly well in some spot

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Speaker 6: starts over years, Kevin, but we all know that his

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Speaker 5: So James, I count right now five starters that are

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Speaker 5: definitely gone, potentially a sixth in Jermaine Pratt, you think

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Speaker 5: the new starter for Pittman is not here?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 5: Braden Smith, do you think the new starter for him

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Speaker 6: That's the only one I feel confident about right now

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Speaker 5: Quit he pay here or not here?

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Speaker 6: Not here?

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Speaker 5: So it's not ardent Key.

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Speaker 3: No, well it's not JT.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it should be. JT barely played last

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Speaker 6: and had a great run at Ohio State before coming

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Speaker 6: on him to make some jump into a starting caliber

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Speaker 6: it's fair to point out that's a flawed approach.

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Speaker 5: Zion Franklin the new starter for him here or not here?

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Speaker 6: Oh, definitely not here. They don't have a starting linebacker

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Speaker 5: And then lastly, Nick Cross, would you say that starter

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Speaker 5: kept totally up to track with the Colts, freateency signings

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Speaker 5: with the Cowboys, most recently a couple starts last season,

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Speaker 5: had significant migraine issues that ended his twenty twenty five campaign.

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Speaker 5: Big Dude six three two fifteen, So you know, if

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Speaker 5: you look at those six names Pittman, Braden Smith, Quitty Paige,

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Speaker 5: Jermaine Pratt, Zaire Franklin, Nick Cross, and you just go

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Speaker 5: through that exercise. We just did four of the six,

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Speaker 5: you would say the starters are not currently here, right,

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Speaker 5: And the one that's maybe a little more than the

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Speaker 5: fifty to fifty would be at safety with Yanye Thomas.

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Speaker 5: You know, could they still go out there and make

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Speaker 5: a move at safety? So four of the six and

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Speaker 5: you only have two draft picks on the top hundred,

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Speaker 5: You're obviously gonna have to bank on something notable there

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Speaker 5: and instant impact. And then again we're now well into

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Speaker 5: the second wave here, a freatecy cap space is not

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Speaker 5: an issue. I mean this team, I don't know if

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Speaker 5: the cap as the capstate has been up data James.

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Speaker 5: I mean they still have Yeah, I should take a

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Speaker 5: look at it. They still have room to make deals.

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Speaker 5: And that is updated that includes everybody.

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Speaker 3: We'll have a.

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Speaker 5: Queen's head coach, Grant Leonard, joining us at nine o'clock

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Speaker 5: mark is what third straight year we've had the Purdue

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Speaker 6: Okay, well, my only question is, so when you pick

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Speaker 5: No, you can pick a whole starting five if you want.

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Speaker 5: Deep, I'm gonna pick multiple Michigan players.

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Speaker 5: Total points, correct, Mark, I mean this is your thing.

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Speaker 2: I've watched a lot of Big ten basketball this year.

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Speaker 6: During the break, I'll be looking up Okay, the highest

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Speaker 5: I believe it's the first year of eligibility.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it done right away. So that'll be

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Speaker 2: not as much as people had hoped. Sixty three and

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Speaker 2: And you know you heard Danny Hurley really come to

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Speaker 2: build a culture, he'll build a team for you. I

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Speaker 5: I think answer that as emphatically yes. And now the

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Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye on that, and of course we've

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Speaker 5: Kevin to me, do you fill these games out in

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Speaker 2: Or no? No you do not? There you go, that's

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Speaker 3: Brackets don't lock in either.

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Speaker 5: That's your answer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Now again, I have seen obviously we have seen teams

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Speaker 2: I think it's more often the game.

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Speaker 2: More often than not. Though someone from the first four

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Speaker 3: Shout out Cam Heidi.

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Speaker 2: It's true. So tonight you mentioned UNBC that those are

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Speaker 2: Guess who's gonna be if he does it? Back there?

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Speaker 5: Are we going with the odds snake here? You know

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Speaker 4: So so fourth gets right?

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Speaker 4: I think that's the way to do it, all right,

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Speaker 4: So I will.

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Speaker 5: Trust you, Mark, I believe in you.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: After all these years, I'm glad you finally trust me

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Speaker 5: Not every day, but today I do.

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Speaker 2: For some reason, Mark, you're gonna be watching basketball or

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Speaker 5: Multiview, baby multiview Noah McClain on the mound for the US.

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Speaker 2: morning and welcome to the fan morning. So happy to

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Speaker 7: Good morning, happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the song, great lead up into this segment.

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Speaker 2: I like it right there. Look, this is the first

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Speaker 2: and you make your way in. How special is that?

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Speaker 2: How special has this been on a campus that is

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Man, the city's really you know, supported us and got

440
00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,640
Speaker 1: behind us, and it's been awesome to see. I mean,

441
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you drop up a plan four

442
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 1: years ago to hopefully execute it, but here we are

443
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 1: and it happened, and just so happy for our players.

444
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Speaker 5: It's Grant Leonard, the head coach of the Queen's Royals,

445
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 5: and they are going to out of course by Priduo

446
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,920
Speaker 5: coming up Friday night over there in Saint Louis, Mark

447
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,920
Speaker 5: Dys an excellent choice there, a little Lord Royals bringing

448
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,439
Speaker 5: us back in the nine o'clock hour. Coach, You've been

449
00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 5: a part of the program for a long time, and

450
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 5: obviously the transition from D two to D one I'm

451
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 5: sure is quite something there for those that maybe aren't

452
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 5: super familiar with your guys, whatever trajectory to this level,

453
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 5: could you fill us in a little bit just background

454
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 5: you with this program and you with this coaching staff.

455
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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is my thirteenth year with the program.

456
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 1: In the first nine, I was the associated head coach

457
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 1: when we were.

458
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Speaker 7: Division two and we were really good.

459
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Speaker 1: Four of our last six seasons we had thirty win seasons,

460
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: which is unique. It's hard to do in college basketball.

461
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 1: And we went to multiple lead dates and final fours

462
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Speaker 1: in that tenure. And then my boss actually took UW

463
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Speaker 1: Milwaukee head coaching.

464
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Speaker 7: Job, which is my hometown.

465
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Speaker 1: And I have the dubious honor of being the only

466
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Speaker 1: coach in basketball history to go from division to assistants

467
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,439
Speaker 1: Division one head coach in the same hiring cycle. And

468
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Speaker 1: you know, we started off our first year and opened

469
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Speaker 1: it up with a win versus Marshall in our first

470
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Speaker 1: Division one game, and we've been plugging along ever since.

471
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Speaker 1: This year in our first year eligible, here we are

472
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Speaker 1: dancing again.

473
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Speaker 6: We're talking to Grant Leonard, the coach of Queens who

474
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Speaker 6: will face Purdue on Friday. Grant, when you look at

475
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 6: your roster in the way it's kind of built up,

476
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Speaker 6: you do have a lot of guys who obviously stayed

477
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Speaker 6: over from them when you all with Division two added

478
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Speaker 6: a couple of transfers. What is Avante Parker meant as

479
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 6: an addition? I know, he's kind of a throwback is

480
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 6: player and someone who can get it done down low.

481
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and that's that's it's Division two Definitely.

482
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Speaker 1: The difference is, uh, you know, the positional size and

483
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Speaker 1: so you know, and this year when we announced that

484
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Speaker 1: we were going to be able to be tournament eligible,

485
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: we were able to go into the portal and get

486
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Speaker 1: three bigs that had Division one experience. Avante Parker from

487
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 1: Georgia Southern, Gus Larson from cal Berkeley, and Carson Schweger

488
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: from Valpo. And those guys are really like the backbone

489
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Speaker 1: of how we've been able to kind of take the

490
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Speaker 1: turn and become a conference champion at this level.

491
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Speaker 6: And then one follow up to that, when you're waiting

492
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Speaker 6: to elevate to the Division one level, what is that like?

493
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Speaker 6: Like you're competing last year obviously in a different tournament

494
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Speaker 6: at this time of the year, but when you're building

495
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Speaker 6: towards what you're doing now, is there a different change

496
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Speaker 6: in process or anything like that. I'm just very curious

497
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Speaker 6: about that when you know you're going to Division one,

498
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Speaker 6: but unlike people might not actually know, you don't necessarily

499
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Speaker 6: change year to year.

500
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Speaker 3: You have to wait.

501
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Speaker 6: It's a process.

502
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you know you can even if we

503
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Speaker 1: won the conference tournament, you know, we wouldn't have been

504
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Speaker 1: able to go, but we did play in the CBI

505
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: last year. But I think more importantly, instead of changing

506
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Speaker 1: the process, we're just more focused on the process.

507
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Speaker 7: During that time.

508
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: Just hey, let's get better daily, let's continue to learn

509
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Speaker 1: and grow in Division one. You know, last year we

510
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: had a twenty one season despite the fact not being

511
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Speaker 1: tournament eligible, and the first year in Division one we

512
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: won eighteen games with an entirely Division two roster. So

513
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 1: incredibly proud of our guys and the toughness in fortitude that.

514
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Speaker 7: They had during that time. And we wouldn't be here

515
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Speaker 7: today it.

516
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Speaker 1: Wasn't for those guys forging through those fires.

517
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Speaker 2: Coach talking to Grant Leonard of the head coach at Queen's.

518
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: They'll be playing for doing the first round on Friday

519
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: night in the NTAA tournament. What do you see when

520
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: you watch the boiler Makers on tape right now?

521
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Speaker 1: First of all, you know, I think they've been one

522
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: of one of the five best programs in college basketball

523
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: in the last decade. And their their their excellence is

524
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: it's in everything they do. And for the first thing

525
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: that sticks out, especially in that last game versus Machine,

526
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Speaker 1: the physicality is incredible, how they set screens, how they

527
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: duck in all those things is awesome. Then then obviously

528
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Speaker 1: I think they have one of the five best players

529
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: in America and I voted I voted their point guard

530
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Speaker 1: to be first team All American in my ballot for

531
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: the NABC so so, and then they have phenomenal shooting.

532
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: And what's incredible is is they actually take more long

533
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: twos than maybe anyone in the country. And then they're

534
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: the most efficient offense in America. So I hope no

535
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Speaker 1: one thinks the mid range is dead because Purdue is

536
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Speaker 1: keeping it alive.

537
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Speaker 3: And well hit on it a little bit there.

538
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 5: But Bratensmis's ability to quarterback at all, what do you

539
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 5: see from him as just a puer peer point.

540
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: Guard first time, he's probably the smartest kid in America basketball lives.

541
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Speaker 1: I mean, you just can't speed him up, and he's

542
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: seen every coverage and carved all of them up. So

543
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, he's an incredible player, and I just really

544
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Speaker 1: the one thing I love about him is you can

545
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: tell he plays for his teammates and he's always trying

546
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: to get guys the ball in their spots and he

547
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: does an unbelievable job of that. He's been an incredible

548
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: player for many years. And hats off to him because

549
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: he wasn't the most highly recruited kid, and we got

550
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids like that in our team, and

551
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: you can just see it doesn't matter. He just works

552
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: and works, and hats off to him for that.

553
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Speaker 5: That is Grant Leonard again, the head coach of produced

554
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 5: opposition coming up on Friday night in Saint Louis. It's

555
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 5: Queens in their first year eligible to make the tournament.

556
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 5: They do, indeed do that three seed. I believe the

557
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 5: conference sermon coach Chris Ashby a guard for you shot

558
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 5: the ball nineteen times in your conference championship overtime win.

559
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 5: He made ten of those nineteen three point attempts. Is

560
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 5: this the net on a day of green? Does he

561
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Speaker 5: have the greenest green light you've ever seen?

562
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Speaker 1: He's got an ultra green light. That's not even the

563
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: most threes. He's taken in the game for US. He

564
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: took twenty six last year at Central Arkansas.

565
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Speaker 7: And you know the best thing.

566
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: About Chris is very like when I say not.

567
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 7: Recruited kid like man.

568
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Speaker 1: No one really thought he could play at this level

569
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: and he comes here. He's the all time leading three

570
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: point makes in Queen's history, second all time in a

571
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: Sun history, top fifty all time in NCAA history. He's

572
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: an incredible kid. And the best part about it, he

573
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: has the best practice pace of any player I've ever

574
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: coached in twenty plus years. Every single rep, even if

575
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: at seven am when I'm sneaking in the back door

576
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: to get to my office and I walk in, and

577
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: every morning he's in there seven am, shooting game speed

578
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: every single rep. He's an amazing kid, and now he's

579
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Speaker 1: going to get to do it on national stage.

580
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 6: He shooting thirty eight percent from three on basically nine

581
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Speaker 6: attempts a game.

582
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Speaker 2: I love it.

583
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 3: Oh, I love it. They say Steph Curry ruined basketball,

584
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 3: but I'm not so sure.

585
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 6: Grant Leonard again, we're talking to the Queen's head coach

586
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 6: of Pison Purdue on Friday in the NCAA Tournament. Coach,

587
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 6: when you look at what this run has meant to

588
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 6: your program, not just the players on the team, but

589
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 6: the surrounding community and things like that, when you're kind

590
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 6: of looked at as like the underdog in these situations. Now,

591
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 6: I know you obviously you have to play the game

592
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 6: and you go out there to win, and I want

593
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 6: to write you off, But what is that meant to

594
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 6: get to this point? And how excited is your community

595
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 6: for this opportunity?

596
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's just amazing again for our program

597
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: and our players, for our families, for the entire school

598
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: which people are learning about, and you know, like, hey,

599
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: is it in New York. No, it's actually in Charlotte,

600
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: And I love that. It's cool that, like again that

601
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: that conversation is even happening, and the community of Charlotte

602
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: is really behind us and everyone gets to share in this.

603
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: It's the first right and we're really proud to represent

604
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: who we are in this game. It's going to be

605
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: incredibly difficult game. Okay, Purdue is phenomenal, but for our guys,

606
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: it's about proving that they belong and we hopefully this

607
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: isn't the only time we do this. Hopefully we get

608
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: we get to go back to the tournament, but just

609
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: really proud of what we accomplished and hopefully we got

610
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: a little.

611
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 7: More to do.

612
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Speaker 2: Coach, I'm very familiar with the city of Charlotte, I've

613
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: worked there quite a bit, and your campus has kind

614
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: of nestled into a beautiful older part of the city

615
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: which is not too far from the city center or uptown.

616
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: And it's a lot it's green, there are a lot

617
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: of trees. It's very cool. It's an older, tight neighborhood.

618
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: But how often do you guys have to correct people

619
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 2: and say, no, we're Queen's Charlotte, not queens in New York.

620
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, less and less by the day, right,

621
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: but uh, it still happens. But Myers Park the neighborhood

622
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: we're in, and if you get on Zillo, don't.

623
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Speaker 7: Don't feel bad. You're probably not gonna be able to

624
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 7: live there because I don't live there. I live the

625
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 7: next neighborhood over. But but it is.

626
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: It's amazing and and and again, the recognition of something.

627
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 7: Like this does.

628
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: Our school has over three billion hits on media, social media,

629
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: newsprint articles in the last week, and and unbelievable that

630
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: that kind of publicity's happened, and so proud of our guys,

631
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: from from Buddy the Street Dog to every one of

632
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: our players, they all sharing this.

633
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: Coach, you stile it right out of my mouth.

634
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 5: Buddy the Street Dog is a legend in your neck

635
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 5: of the woods, and I think we'll be introduced to

636
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 5: the nation here. Could you fill our audience in on

637
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 5: Buddy the Street Dog?

638
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you know summer, Summer is a fun time.

639
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: You know, you're practicing and uh, you know you don't.

640
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: You don't play a game for months, right, So you know,

641
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: we're trying to get our guys.

642
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 7: To compete and really go at each other.

643
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: And so you know, our players are saying that they

644
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 1: are dogs, and so one of our assistants goes, well,

645
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: what kind of dog are you? And he didn't mean Rottwiler.

646
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: He goes, are you a pet co dog? Are you spoiled?

647
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: Or are you a street dog who fights for your stuff?

648
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: And they're like, we're street dogs. So then you know,

649
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: I found Buddy on the internet and said this, we're

650
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: going to adopt the street dog.

651
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 7: And then the guy who does.

652
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: The tough stuff every game, not the leading scorer, but

653
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: the guy who does the big time box outs or

654
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: takes a charge or dives on the floor, those energy

655
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: plays that change a game. That guy wins buddy for

656
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: that game and just embodies our spirit.

657
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 7: He's kind of our spirit animal.

658
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.

659
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Speaker 3: I love that. Do you know Matt Painter at all?

660
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Speaker 1: You know when I say that, Like a lot of

661
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: us coaches know each other, Coach Painter and I have

662
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: had talked once or twice on the road. Whether he

663
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: actually knows me, knows me, I don't know, but I

664
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: can tell you this, He's an incredible example of how

665
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: to build a program and what he represents coaches at

666
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: the highest level. I've seen him speak multiple times in

667
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: coaching settings and how he's handled this nil to still

668
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: talk about building a program and being a leader of

669
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: men is an example to all of us coaches. I

670
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: look up the coach Painter. We had a discussion about

671
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: basketball a few years ago at Brewster Academy when he's

672
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Speaker 1: recruiting one of your big fellas, and I just think

673
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: he's an incredible, incredible.

674
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Speaker 2: Coach, a lot of fun to watch him, and we're

675
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: looking forward to watching the game on Friday night, and Coach,

676
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: thanks for filling us in a little bit more on

677
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Speaker 2: what we'll be watching. Pleasure to talk to you now.

678
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: Thank you guys from Charlotte, Indianapolis. I hope we won

679
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: some fans here in Go Royals.

680
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: It is Saint Patrick's Day. Happy Saint Patricks Day to

681
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: all who observe. Mark Dyken got started. I don't know

682
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: one o'clock this morning, two o'clock this morning. It seems

683
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: earlier and earlier the way things.

684
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: Are still going all nighter. So is that Clockee and midnight.

685
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: Kevin has introduced us to a drink that James and

686
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: I didn't even know existed before today. You were all

687
00:30:59,480 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 2: over it though.

688
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: Oh those are old, Yeah, those are the old college days.

689
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 4: Irish car bombs, Yaeger bombs, bombs on everything, ye Guinness killions.

690
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 5: Well, if you're gonna drink, make sure you got a

691
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 5: good base in your cluster truck.

692
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: Excellent for that job. About halfway to you, my Chicken

693
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: Caesar rat, big fan.

694
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 5: The promo code there, big Fan five dollars off and

695
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 5: I love the dunk fest this time of year. Two

696
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 5: bounds of chicken strips, cheesy bread chips and Queso chure rows.

697
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 5: Great if you're gathering some people, to watch some games.

698
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 5: They've got that available during March madness. Thank you to

699
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 5: Cluster Truck.

700
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Speaker 2: All right, looking forward to that to get a little

701
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: uh chicken apple salad. I'm looking forward to that later

702
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: on today.

703
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 6: Yes you are chicken apple salad. You know what discipline, Jeff,

704
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 6: I respect it.

705
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: I was looking hard at the Korean beef today. But

706
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: I gotta start eating better. So summer's coming.

707
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 4: Springs comer, summer body washboard apps, baby speedo.

708
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: Time you're gonna come in here shirtless.

709
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: There isn't anybody missus Rickard included. That's looking for Rickard

710
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: in Espiedo. I can tell you that right now.

711
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 5: Nobody This from Gary Butler shortlist, Alex Barlow, Ryan pete On,

712
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 5: Travis Steele, Ronald Nora, John Gross. Can I interest you

713
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Speaker 5: in any of those?

714
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Speaker 2: I'm gross.

715
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Speaker 6: I did look at Ryan pet On. You know Illinois

716
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 6: State now obviously a lower level.

717
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Speaker 3: He was a Holtman assistant.

718
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Speaker 6: I think yeah, he was an assistant for about I

719
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 6: want to say, three or four years with Holtman, so

720
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 6: he has some relationship with there. With the program has

721
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 6: turned to Illinois State into like a winning program. I would

722
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 6: say the last couple of years. So, but I just

723
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 6: don't know about that leap. When it comes to going

724
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 6: from that program to Butler, I probably want someone with

725
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 6: a little more experience, maybe at a bigger name program.

726
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the reasons I kind of like

727
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: John Gross. I mean, he's doing great things at Akron

728
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: right now. You know a little bit about John Gross, right,

729
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: I covered.

730
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Speaker 6: Him in Illinois when he got fired and came out

731
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Speaker 6: and did an interview afterwards, which I thought was ridiculous.

732
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 6: Shout out to him. He is the nicest human being ever,

733
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 6: And I was thinking, boy, if ever got fired from anything,

734
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 6: I'm never going to do voluntary work afterwards, unless I'm

735
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 6: ripping the school. But jokes aside, since he's gone to Akron,

736
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 6: he has turned that program into a perennial winner, and

737
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 6: they've been to the NCAA tournament. Not to take a dig,

738
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 6: but more often than I you in recent years. So

739
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Speaker 6: would he want to make that leap as well?

740
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Speaker 5: I assume Ronald nored is probably viewed as the favorite

741
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 5: just because a he's got direct time. I mean, hell,

742
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 5: he was sitting courtside a few games ago.

743
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: I was at that game when.

744
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 5: He was there, and you know, when you look at

745
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 5: the people in the decision making process, Grant line Decker,

746
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 5: their ad played with Ronald nored Grant Gordon Hayward, you know,

747
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 5: is their pseudo a d he obviously, uh played with

748
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 5: Ronald Norrid as well, so.

749
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Speaker 6: Coach the NBA as well, So like that could be

750
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Speaker 6: a draw, as you know when it comes to recruiting,

751
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 6: Like hey, I've seen the highest level coach to Brownsburg

752
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 6: back in the day, crazy Indiana.

753
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 5: But you know, I'll I'll throw that PJ.

754
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: Thompson name out again.

755
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Speaker 5: Just you know, it's kind of intererous when you look

756
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 5: at the pre staff under Matt Painter, none of them,

757
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 5: not many of them have really progressed to become head coaches.

758
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 5: Like you know, I'm curious about Terry Johnson and Brandon

759
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 5: Brantley and you know some of those other guys. I

760
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 5: guess Paul Lusk a little. But like some of those

761
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 5: other guys that have left, I'm trying to think of

762
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 5: the one dude that left and went to somewhere like

763
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 5: down in South Carolina. As popping in my head here,

764
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Speaker 5: But you know PJ. Thompson from a local standpoint from

765
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Speaker 5: BBUFF and you know, obviously it's very familiar with the area.

766
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Speaker 5: You know, his brother of course played a Purdue as

767
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 5: well and is on that staff. So you know, is

768
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Speaker 5: that something if they thought outside of the box on that.

769
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's a decent pool of candidates obviously there,

770
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Speaker 2: and the question is whoever they hired. The expectation is

771
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Speaker 2: to get him back to being a competitor in the

772
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Speaker 2: top third probably of the Big East, and a team

773
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Speaker 2: that makes its appearances in the NCAA two Tournament. Again, Kevin,

774
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: that's what they're looking for over there.

775
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Speaker 5: I know Jake asked Tom Crean about the job yesterday.

776
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Speaker 5: What would you guys think about Tom creen taking the

777
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Speaker 5: Butler job.

778
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Speaker 2: That's really interesting because I think Tom Crean is a

779
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: terrific basketball coach, I really do. And I thought his

780
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: answer was pretty telling too. He didn't know that he

781
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: necessarily fit into what Butler would necessarily be looking for.

782
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Speaker 2: But as I had just a lot of things that

783
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: Kevin just talked about, they may be looking closer to

784
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: the home somebody with a bigger tie to Butler. But

785
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Speaker 2: I think Tom Crean is certainly a capable coach that

786
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: would do a great job at Butler. I'd look at

787
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Speaker 2: at least talk to him.

788
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 6: I think he might be he might have been out

789
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Speaker 6: of it too long for me to really give that

790
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Speaker 6: serious thought, like would you be willing to adjust in IL,

791
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 6: embrace in IL. I'm not saying he wouldn't, but do

792
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Speaker 6: you want someone who's kind of been in that world

793
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 6: already a little bit, or do you want him to

794
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 6: kind of come back? Because the last time he coached

795
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two, and the landscape in college basketball

796
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 6: has changed drastically since then, So that would be like

797
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 6: my biggest concern. But exes and O was wise. Yeah,

798
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Speaker 6: I trust them.

799
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Speaker 7: Mark.

800
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Speaker 5: We had him on I want to say this time

801
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 5: last year, and I thought he mentioned he had interviewed

802
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 5: for a big East opening. Now that's a couple of

803
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 5: years ago now that I'm thinking about this out loud,

804
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 5: and I think we try to connect the dots. I

805
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 5: think we thought it was to Paul, which a question

806
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 5: I do have and some people asked about this. You know,

807
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 5: Chris Holtman, what's a better.

808
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: Job to Paul or Butler?

809
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: I would think Butler.

810
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: I would think Butler.

811
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Speaker 5: I you know again, I mean, I guess I don't

812
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 5: know the finances per se and I get a Chicago

813
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 5: versus INDI and things like that. But does Chris Holtman

814
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 5: look at and say, you know what, I want to

815
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 5: go back there? Would Butler be open to that? Would

816
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 5: Butler view and be like, well or is it just

817
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 5: gonna be a stepping stone thing?

818
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 7: Again?

819
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 5: Is Butler in a point where they can even think

820
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: like that? Do they just need to get back on

821
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 5: a you know, more of a solid foundation. People have

822
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 5: brought up Michael Shrewsbury, how do you feel about that?

823
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 3: I I I want to see shoes very right it out.

824
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 5: But again, if you're him and you view yourself on

825
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 5: a hot seat for this coming season, do you do

826
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 5: the Buzz Williams thing. Buzz Williams always mastered the let

827
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 5: me get out of the job before they don't like me.

828
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 5: You know, three years here, four years there, three years here,

829
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Speaker 5: four years. It's just a beautiful job by Buzz Williams

830
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 5: with that, you know again, is that something that he

831
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 5: would do? He obviously went to high school here, et cetera,

832
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 5: et cetera. I don't think that's their If you had

833
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 5: to give me a get Rudy Figger on high I'd

834
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 5: say no, d But you know, what that list looks like.

835
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 5: For Grant Linecker, I'd be very interested.

836
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: Oh the guys we just talked about right now. My

837
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: first three would probably if you could get Chris Holton,

838
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: and I think he understands exactly what Butler basketball is about.

839
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: I think he's a great head coach. I think he'd

840
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: be perfect. I do like John Gross and then I

841
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: do like Norrid My biggest concern with him is not

842
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: a lot of college experience there.

843
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 6: From Norriy.

844
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

845
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 6: But I also wonder if like the youth aspect helps

846
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 6: a little bit. He's not that far moved from playing.

847
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 6: I believe he's only like thirty six, So would that

848
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 6: help you connect with again, just this new era of

849
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 6: basketball that we're in. And is it a selling point

850
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 6: as far as recruitments to say, I've coached alongside some

851
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 6: of the best players in the world, and I think

852
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 6: that would be enticing for me if I was a

853
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 6: young prospect.

854
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 4: And also is an interesting name from DePaul. But they've

855
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: also what's one thing that they've kind of said about

856
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 4: Butler is they need to reinvest in the basketball program.

857
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: DePaul has done that.

858
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 4: They've got a brand new facility opening up in a

859
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 4: couple of years. They obviously hired Chris Holtman to get

860
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 4: a culture change going. So I am curious what would

861
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 4: be the better job in his eyes, to Paul or Butler.

862
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 5: Which I think is a great debate to get into

863
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 5: mark When you see programs make hires, are there any

864
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 5: alums out there that view it as you're not getting

865
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 5: into my pocket until you make a change. I'm so

866
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 5: fed up with the current situation. All start contributing any

867
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 5: money or more money if you make a change. I

868
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 5: think there are some coaches that say, in today's climate,

869
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 5: and I don't know if Butler necessarily is one of

870
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 5: these situations where if I'm taking this job, I need

871
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 5: to be guaranteed this much money upfront to build my roster.

872
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I know that sounds kind of crazy, but

873
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 5: that's a reality. I think of college basketball or college football.

874
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: And you gotta have the discussion before you take.

875
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 5: That in this day and age. So is there anything

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Speaker 5: out there from Butler? And that's where the fad mod

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Speaker 5: I think is kind of odd to me. It's like,

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Speaker 5: wait a minute, you know this time last week Grant

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Speaker 5: Line Decker seemed to make it pretty clear he was

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Speaker 5: coming back. Is this strictly just that thinking about it

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Speaker 5: for seventy two hours and leaving. Is this a little

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Speaker 5: bit of pushback from some higher ups there of like, hey,

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Speaker 5: let's read the writing on the wall. You don't love

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Speaker 5: this era of college basketball. You're probably not going to

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Speaker 5: be our coach five to seven years down the road.

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Speaker 5: Do you really want to keep doing this?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 5: All of that seems to be just a little murky

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Speaker 5: with this situation.

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Speaker 2: Especially when you read in the paper this morning that

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Speaker 2: the players themselves were caught off guard. They were under

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Speaker 2: the impression that Dad was coming back. So they're always

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Speaker 2: the last to know, though players always seem to be

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Speaker 2: the last to know. That's what's happening with Butler basketball.

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Speaker 2: They are on the hunt for a new head coach.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back to wrap up the show. Get you

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Speaker 2: ready to go for everything You'll be watching later on

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Speaker 2: tonight as we continue ninety three five one oh seven

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