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Speaker 1: Live from dal Hartland and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. There's anything in the world that

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Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about.

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Speaker 3: Is an A plus plus economy. Listen.

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Speaker 2: I think there are things that President Trump can cheer.

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Speaker 2: I think there are successes in this just start of

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Speaker 2: his second term. I absolutely believe that I'm better off

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Speaker 2: with Donald Trump than Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or

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Speaker 2: whoever was actually running the country any day of the week,

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Speaker 2: and twice on Sunday. But do not sit there in

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania and say, what are you talking about? Everything's just great.

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Speaker 3: It's not just great, it's not even great.

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Speaker 2: My gosh, it's barely even just Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good.

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Speaker 3: To be with you.

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Speaker 2: Let me bring in Ed Morrissey right there from hot

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Speaker 2: air dot Com.

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Speaker 3: He's got all the good stories.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we'll get to what's happening in your Texas

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Speaker 2: where the map is upheld and Jasmine Crockett is the future.

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Speaker 2: The President goes to Pennsylvania, Ed, and affordability is now

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Speaker 2: a hoax.

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Speaker 3: He has said that before. And this economy is going great.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what we were told by the Democrats regarding

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Speaker 2: transitory inflation and that this is the greatest economy anybody's

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Speaker 2: ever seen. How can you not recognize it? You're dumb, dumb.

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Speaker 2: What is president.

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Speaker 1: Doings He's falling into the same trip that practically every

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Speaker 1: other president falls into, which is trying to jolly up

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Speaker 1: people who are living in the economy day to day.

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Speaker 1: And this is the thing you can You can spin

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Speaker 1: lots of things. You can even spin the economy to

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Speaker 1: a certain amount of some of the macroeconomic stuff, you

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Speaker 1: can kind of spin that. But what you can't spend

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Speaker 1: is what people feel when they go to the grocery store,

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Speaker 1: when they go to get a loan, when they you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to buy a home, or trying to buy a car,

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Speaker 1: dealing with the car payments, insurance payments, and that sort

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Speaker 1: of thing. Economy. We participate in the economy every day.

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Speaker 1: It is very difficult to gaslight people for very long

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Speaker 1: at least about the economy. And this is this is

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Speaker 1: the trap that Joe Biden fell into. It's the same

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Speaker 1: trap that you know, George Bush fell into. Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: did something similar and Obama and Biden said the same

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Speaker 1: thing that Donald Trump is saying right now, which is that, well,

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Speaker 1: my predecessor screwed this up so badly that it's going

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Speaker 1: to take us a while to fix things. This is

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Speaker 1: a not an unusual message to send out. I think

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Speaker 1: Trump is trying to rely on his personal charisma, which

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Speaker 1: he has plenty of, to try to sell this. And look,

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's going to have at least

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Speaker 1: an impact, because you have to have some sort of

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Speaker 1: answer to what's happening. But the real answer to this

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Speaker 1: is probably the message I just said, only delivered a

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Speaker 1: little bit more. Honestly, we are changing a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: In the long run, you are going to be better

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Speaker 1: off with it. In the short run, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: some pain. This is Reagan. You can go back to

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Speaker 1: Reagan in his first term. The first two years were tough.

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Speaker 3: It is the absolute message.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean interrupt you, ed, but I so agree

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Speaker 2: with us that I have discussed here.

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Speaker 3: This is so the message.

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Speaker 2: You can get people to be on your side if

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Speaker 2: you tell them what's actually happening. You cannot make believe

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Speaker 2: that things are.

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Speaker 3: Good when they are not.

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Speaker 2: Now, this was President Trump from that rally in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 4: Sturing and with our historic caraffs. Steel production is roaring back.

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Speaker 4: We're building steel mills all over the country, and US

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Speaker 4: steel is coming back at a level never thought possible before.

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Speaker 3: And I was up and I was up here and.

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Speaker 4: With the workers, and with Selina two don't Selena, because

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Speaker 4: everybody know.

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Speaker 1: And with some other people.

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Speaker 3: We were up with some great people, and we spent

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Speaker 3: the whole day and they.

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Speaker 4: Were determining whether or not they wanted to make which

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Speaker 4: one of the deals. I went to the workers, I said,

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Speaker 4: which one do you like?

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Speaker 3: We picked the right one.

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Speaker 4: As I said before, billions billions of dollars they spending

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Speaker 4: and the steel workers are doing phenomenally better.

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Speaker 3: I think it's good ed to talk about steel.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fine to discuss the idea of strength

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Speaker 2: in our economy.

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Speaker 3: These are things to highlight.

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Speaker 2: And then, as if turning on a dime, he gets

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Speaker 2: into the conversation of Dolls.

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Speaker 4: I think you're going to do better than you've ever

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Speaker 4: done before. You were losing all of your steel. We

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Speaker 4: didn't have tariffs, you would have no steel where we

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Speaker 4: wouldn't have one steel mill anywhere in the United States,

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Speaker 4: and that would be really bad for Scott National security.

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Speaker 3: We need the one thing you need. You need steal.

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Speaker 3: You know you can give up certain products.

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Speaker 4: You can give up pencils, guys, under the China policy.

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Speaker 4: You know, every child can get thirty seven pencils.

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Speaker 3: They only need one or two.

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Speaker 4: You know, they don't need that many. But you always need,

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Speaker 4: You always need steal. You don't need thirty seven dollars

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Speaker 4: for your daughter. Two or three is nice, but you

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Speaker 4: don't need thirty seven dollars.

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Speaker 3: He has made this argument before. Ed Morrissey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this argument is horrifically bad. I don't know who

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Speaker 2: is advising him, but fire that person. This does not resonate.

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Speaker 2: It resonates zero with the American public.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's sort of a malaise speech reference

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Speaker 1: for those who remember the Malays speech from Jimmy Carter,

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Speaker 1: which is, you don't need all this stuff. You don't

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Speaker 1: really need all this income. You don't need to warm

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Speaker 1: your house to seventy eight degrees. We're all going to

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Speaker 1: have to live within our means. You know, not bad

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Speaker 1: personal advice, frankly, but politically speaking, just see how well

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Speaker 1: that worked out for Jimmy Carter. It's not the point

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Speaker 1: that your daughter doesn't need thirty seven dolls. Is that

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Speaker 1: you don't want the government telling you that your daughter

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Speaker 1: only needs two or three in order to be happy.

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Speaker 1: That's not the government's role. The government's role is to

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Speaker 1: create an economy where you can compete and you can succeed,

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Speaker 1: and then you can decide how many dolls you're taught

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Speaker 1: our needs. This type of thing is it's a trap.

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Speaker 1: It's reactive.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: The doll thing was reactive to to something that happened

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Speaker 1: a few months back about people complaining about the tariffs

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Speaker 1: impacting the price of toys for kids. Right, And you

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Speaker 1: have to put these things in better perspective. That's what

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Speaker 1: you're there to do. You don't want to react to

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Speaker 1: every single line item. What you want to say is, look,

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Speaker 1: we're working through this. We want to see more of

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Speaker 1: those dolls produced in the United States. We want to

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Speaker 1: see fair trade so that whatever you're producing here in

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Speaker 1: the United States gets the proper price where we're buying

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Speaker 1: the dolls from, and then everybody can have as many

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Speaker 1: dolls as they want. That's the type of message that

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Speaker 1: you need. That's not really Trump's style, and so I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised to see him sort of reacting rather than

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Speaker 1: recrafting the argument. That's what really needs to happen.

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Speaker 2: This is the second big mystery. Jeffrey Epstein was the

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Speaker 2: first shocking in my view. Talking to Ed Morrissey right

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Speaker 2: now of hotair dot com, this is a ridiculous mis read.

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Speaker 2: And he's smarter than this, he's more capable than this.

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Speaker 2: So somewhere, somehow someone said this is the message we're crafting,

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Speaker 2: and the question before us is why why this?

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Speaker 1: I think that the first off, if you're listening to that,

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Speaker 1: that's Donald Trump riffing, right. So I don't even think

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Speaker 1: it's somebody in the White House that wrote the line

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Speaker 1: about the dolls. I think that that's just Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: That's Donald Trump going off script. He likes to do

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Speaker 1: that a lot. He's usually pretty good at it. In

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Speaker 1: this case, though, it's not serving him well. He needs

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Speaker 1: to be a lot more focused on what this economic

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Speaker 1: message is going to be. I will say also this

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Speaker 1: it's early days for this new economic campaign that they're launching,

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Speaker 1: and it's like doing stand up right. Work a few clubs,

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Speaker 1: keep going, you work a few clubs, You refine the material,

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Speaker 1: you find out what works, you find out what doesn't.

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Speaker 1: And you get better as you go along. I'm not

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Speaker 1: terribly concerned at this point. If that message is what

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Speaker 1: keeps going, though, it's going to be the malaise speech

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Speaker 1: all over again. It is not going to work out

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Speaker 1: well for Republicans. They need to They need to sharpen

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Speaker 1: this thing up an awful lot.

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Speaker 2: I think that that is very true that they're working

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Speaker 2: out in the language, and the comparison to somebody you

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Speaker 2: know on the circuit, working out their routine and getting

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Speaker 2: their tight ten I think that that is accurate. It's

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Speaker 2: that it shouldn't be this hard. That's the problem. And

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Speaker 2: they do have a lot they can cheer on. They

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Speaker 2: do have a lot of economic stuff that they can

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Speaker 2: engage with. Certainly, they have stuff on domestic policy with

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Speaker 2: the border that they can cheer Certainly, they can talk

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Speaker 2: or not is inconsequential to them that they're going to

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Speaker 2: But this economic conversation can be possibly seen in what

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Speaker 2: took place in Miami, where after thirty years of Republicans

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Speaker 2: being in charge, they just elected a Democrat for mayor

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Speaker 2: last night. Not only a Democrat, somebody who was in Hispanic,

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Speaker 2: which is interesting. They elected a Democrat in we hate

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Speaker 2: Castro Miami. Is this an economic conversation or is this

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Speaker 2: something else that's Miami focused that we don't know about.

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Speaker 1: Might be a Desantius conversation. I mean, Desantas is dominated

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Speaker 1: Florida politics too, and it might be a DeSantis conversation.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't really tied in too much to what was

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Speaker 1: local too. Miami is part of Miami Dade County, which has,

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Speaker 1: this point in time. I would be concerned about it, though,

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Speaker 1: don't even recall, was apparently a guy who was four

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Speaker 1: it is economics. It could be economics. I think that

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Speaker 1: they've slipped on the economic message because they've been so

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Speaker 1: focused on foreign policy. They're not going to go out

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Speaker 1: in the campaign trail for the next year and talk

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Speaker 1: about foreign policy though they're going to be talking about economics,

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Speaker 1: because you don't midterm elections on foreign policy. You know

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Speaker 1: when you know when presidential elections on foreign policy, even

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Speaker 1: though you should, that's not usually when's presidential elections. It's

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Speaker 1: the economy, stupid. It's what car Bill said thirty years ago.

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Speaker 3: So we we both agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that there are things that Republicans can say,

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Speaker 2: look what we've done, And they could certainly talk about

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Speaker 2: the southern border as a success. And if you vote

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Speaker 2: for these other people, your kids are going to get

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Speaker 2: or die from ventanyl.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's going to be one of those kinds of Well, crime.

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Speaker 1: Would certainly be a good argument in local elections, right,

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Speaker 1: And maybe they didn't emphasize the crime angle enough. Again,

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Speaker 1: I'm not familiar enough with with what.

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Speaker 2: So that's something Republicans have to do something We've discussed here,

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be so much fun. This is this is

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Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: Senator Crockett would be hilarious, frightening and hilarious. We've got

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Speaker 3: Keep it here. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 4: If you don't share our values, contribute to our economy

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Speaker 3: Don't want you in our country. We don't want you.

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Speaker 4: I mean elon Omar and the people from Somalia. They

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Speaker 4: headed by Governor Walltz, one of the dumber people around.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's not wrong about Governor Tim Walls. That much

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Speaker 2: But there's a conversation about assimilation and oh, President Trump's

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Speaker 2: gonna hear it. This conversation was my conversation. Wait a second,

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask what is wrong about saying that if

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Speaker 2: Why why come, Well, we know, because you think you

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Speaker 2: give us your tire, you're poor, your huddled message or

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Speaker 2: heard me say this a million times? Right, that's the

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Speaker 3: Lazarus. It's called the New Colossus. And that is not policy.

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Speaker 2: But nowhere in that give us your tired, you're poor,

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Speaker 3: Nowhere does it say, oh yeah, and the.

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Speaker 3: The country, there's no rule about that.

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Speaker 2: Now again, I will state for the record, with all

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Speaker 2: Marsay coming up. This is Tony Cats Today. So what

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Speaker 2: do you think the take is on the drug boats

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Kats Today, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Find everything I do at Tonycats Dot com ed Marcy

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Speaker 3: Why haven't you gone to Congress to do this?

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Speaker 2: The vast majority of people say, if the boats are

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Speaker 2: Now ed there was no planet and no chance and

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Speaker 3: Satisfied I am. Have you ever had a corn beef

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Speaker 3: What a deal? So satisfied.

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Speaker 2: It's like Woody Allen met Gilbert Gottfried kind of satisfied.

436
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Speaker 2: So when I see this, I'm like, well, what else

437
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Speaker 2: is this absolute fool going to say? But the larger

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Speaker 2: scale question before us Number one, does Congress have any

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Speaker 2: right to the video? My initial inclination is yes. Number two,

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Speaker 2: what is our strategy in Venezuela? I think that's a

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Speaker 2: legitimate conversation to have. But you still have not had

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Speaker 2: Congress go to the President and say, whoa, whoa, whoa,

443
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Speaker 2: this is a war action that's through us. You come

444
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Speaker 2: through us, or this whole thing stops. There's complaining, there's politicizing,

445
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Speaker 2: but there is no movement. So the two part question

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Speaker 2: ed number one, what do you take of this double

447
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Speaker 2: tap so called controversy? And where do you think America

448
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Speaker 2: is in this story and how it plays politically?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the issue is the first tap, not

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Speaker 1: so much the second tap. Right, That's what you're getting

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Speaker 1: at is should we be doing this at all? Technically speaking,

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Speaker 1: only Congress can declare war, but the president has the

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Speaker 1: authorization to conduct military operations. It is when there is

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Speaker 1: a clear and president danger to the United States. This

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Speaker 1: is the war Powers Act controversy. It's never been fully

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Speaker 1: settled out. This was a by the way, this was

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Speaker 1: a tension that the founders wanted. They wanted the president

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Speaker 1: to have command of the military and Congress to have

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Speaker 1: command of the power to declare war. Because they wanted

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Speaker 1: that tension, they understood that a president had to be

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Speaker 1: able to act without necessarily going to Congress first. Now

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Speaker 1: we can talk about how far that's gone, and you'd

463
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Speaker 1: have to go all the way back to Barack Obama

464
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Speaker 1: decapitating the Kadafi regime in Libya without not even before

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Speaker 1: going to Congress to ask permission, but never even reporting

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Speaker 1: it to Congress. And that was a that was a

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Speaker 1: weeks long operation that ended up decapitating the Libyan government

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Speaker 1: and created a failed state in Libya that has created

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Speaker 1: all sorts of damage in its wake. So you have

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Speaker 1: to wonder if you're setting yourself up for that type

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Speaker 1: of outcome too, which is one of the reasons why

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Speaker 1: you might want to get Congress involved. But he's got

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Speaker 1: the authority to do this. Now, why is he doing it.

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Speaker 1: I think he's trying to pressure Maduro into leaving. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he wants to necessarily go to war with Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: I think he's laying on the pressure to get Maduro

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Speaker 1: to hit the exits on his own, try to try

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Speaker 1: to get him out of there as cleanly as possible.

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Speaker 1: And the reason for that is he wants to cut China, Iran,

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Speaker 1: and Russia off from the Western hemisphere. This is his

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Speaker 1: version of the Monroe doctrine. He's becoming very assertive on

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Speaker 1: the Monroe doctrine. He wants China, Iran, and Russia out

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Speaker 1: of the Western hemisphere, and Venezuela is right now their

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Speaker 1: entry point for that.

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Speaker 3: Can we dig in a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to test your historical bona fides here,

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Speaker 2: and I don't make the claim of you being a

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Speaker 2: professor or anything like that, but knowledgeable, yes, and my

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Speaker 2: faith in you is is very very real. We brought

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Speaker 2: this up a couple of weeks ago that there seems

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Speaker 2: to be this idea that there is Okay, China, Okay,

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Speaker 2: russ you get this, We get this, and that's where

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Speaker 2: it's at.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Cleveland, good night.

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Speaker 2: So when you bring it up as a de facto

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Speaker 2: renaissance to the Monroe doctrine, and I think Rich Lowry

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Speaker 2: over at National Review has a piece about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is Rich Lowry about.

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Speaker 2: This concept in your best layman's voice, right, explain Monroe doctrine.

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Speaker 1: The Monroe Doctrine was a declaration from the United States

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Speaker 1: that said that Europe would not meddle in the affairs

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Speaker 1: of the Western Hemisphere, that this was a that this

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Speaker 1: was a sphere of influence that belonged strictly to the

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Speaker 1: United States of America. And it held that that was

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Speaker 1: a long time policy of the United States. And at

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Speaker 1: the time, of course, it was difficult to have those

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Speaker 1: types of control because there was a giant ocean between

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Speaker 1: Europe and South America. That's no longer the case, and

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Speaker 1: that doctrine faded in the sort of post World War

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Speaker 1: One and especially post World War two doctrines of global

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Speaker 1: cooperation and that sort of thing that is a faith

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Speaker 1: in multilateralism, though that Donald Trump just simply doesn't share,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of Republicans don't share any longer either,

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Speaker 1: And so Donald Trump is going back to the idea

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Speaker 1: that especially probably Iran, but China and Russia really don't

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Speaker 1: have roles in the Western Hemisphere, and that their involvement

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Speaker 1: in here is destabilizing and is a significant threat to

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Speaker 1: the security of the United States. And I think that

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Speaker 1: if you look at the outcomes in Venezuela especially, but

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Speaker 1: also in some of the other countries where they've exported

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Speaker 1: left wing radicalism via Cuba, that case can be very,

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Speaker 1: very well made. And I think that this is Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's way of reinforcing what Americans position, what America's position

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Speaker 1: had been since almost since the founding, which is the

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Speaker 1: rest of the world needs to butt out of the

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Speaker 1: Western hemisphere.

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Speaker 2: And the only way to get them to butt out

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Speaker 2: is sometimes to make them butt.

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Speaker 3: Out, right. I accept this.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Ed Marscy of hotair dot com, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you could argue that this was a conversation regarding John F.

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Speaker 3: Kennedy.

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Speaker 2: May have been somebody who ascribed to these kinds of ideas.

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Speaker 2: This is not just something that exists on the political right.

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Speaker 2: Oh Reagan, Oh Trump, That's not the case here. There's

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Speaker 2: a real conversation of safety and security to be addressed.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't match up to Trump saying, Hey, six

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand communist Chinese national students at our university's fine

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Speaker 2: selling Nvidia chips, the two hundred chip, the more powerful

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Speaker 2: chip to China. Absolutely fine. Trump first term China policy

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Speaker 2: was a much stronger thing than Trump's second.

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Speaker 3: Term China policy.

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Speaker 2: So if Venezuela is actually a China policy, it goes

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Speaker 2: against the other things that he's doing. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: so sure how one rationally scored. Where is that circle.

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Speaker 2: It's to be an all campaign, not a piecemeal campaign.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a matter of priorities. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a matter of priorities. I mean, he's been pretty tough

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Speaker 1: on China at times, on the trade policies too, and

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Speaker 1: this is one of the reasons why his economic message

551
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Speaker 1: is in trouble is because farmers aren't selling soybeans to

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Speaker 1: China this year. It's a real problem for him. That

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Speaker 1: just rolled out a twelve billion dollar aid program to

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Speaker 1: buffer the impacts of that. So it's not that he

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Speaker 1: hasn't been putting that type of pressure on I think

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Speaker 1: it's a matter of priorities. He forced China out of

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Speaker 1: the Panama Canal. Now he wants to force China out

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Speaker 1: of Venezuela. And I think he probably just sees the

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Speaker 1: drug trade and the immigration pressure, especially when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about organized crime gangs like Trende Arragua and MS thirteen

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Speaker 1: and that sort of thing from Central and South America

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Speaker 1: that he just sees that as the priority, and he

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Speaker 1: wants to focus on Maduro, first off for the threats

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Speaker 1: that Maduro actually generates, but second all as an example

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Speaker 1: to set for the other leaders in South America as

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Speaker 1: to what's going to happen if they start trying to

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Speaker 1: connect up with Iran, in China and Russia again, and

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Speaker 1: sending a very clear signal that We're simply not going

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Speaker 1: to put up with it. In that sense, this isn't

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Speaker 1: aimed at attacking China, attacking Iran, attacking Russia. He's going

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Speaker 1: after the leaders in South America that want to partner

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Speaker 1: up with those people in order to make sure everybody

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Speaker 1: else knows that that's nos bueno listen.

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Speaker 2: I first of all, thank you for the multiculturalism. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it, and I.

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Speaker 1: Have that's a limit of my Spanish.

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Speaker 2: By the way, and thank goodness, we're all thrilled to

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Speaker 2: hear that. I am very, very very down with the

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Speaker 2: idea of exposing the world to America's might, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not always down with the idea, of course, of a war,

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Speaker 2: although I'm certainly not afraid of fighting the fight when

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Speaker 2: the fight is indeed necessary. It is Major Mike Lyons,

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Speaker 2: retired to the United States Army, who's a guest on

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Speaker 2: our show frequently military analyst, who refers to Trump's doctrine

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Speaker 2: as a doctrine of visible leverage, which is why you

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Speaker 2: have the USS Gerald Ford and eleven warships in the

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Speaker 2: Caribbean with fifteen thousand troops and he's talking about land

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Speaker 2: and the minute you hear that, you're like.

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Speaker 3: Wait a second, what exactly is he after here?

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Speaker 2: Never mind how Democrats take this, because this could be

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Speaker 2: spun as showing their weakness and their inability to keep

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Speaker 2: America safe. I could do that in about fourteen seconds.

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Speaker 2: How do you explain this to Magaville? How does Trump

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Speaker 2: sell the idea of this level of strength and really

595
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Speaker 2: bringing it to the edge and maybe punnging somebody in

596
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Speaker 2: the nose a couple times to a party, to a

597
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: group of people where he said no more forever wars

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Speaker 2: and look at this build up.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think, first off, Trump's answer to that is

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Speaker 1: always Mega SAMEOI. So they're a little bit more multiculturalism

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Speaker 1: there for you.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see that company.

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Speaker 1: He is mega. He is Mega and he's made this

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Speaker 1: he said, this exploded. I am Maga. I set Maga's priorities.

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Speaker 1: But this is also our backyard, right. We're not talking

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Speaker 1: about Afghanistan, we're not talking about Iraq, We're not talking

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Speaker 1: about you know, going to Ukraine or the Caucasus. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about securing our own backyard, especially after a four

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Speaker 1: year campaign of flooding America with organized crime figures coming

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Speaker 1: out of Central and South America. That I think is

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Speaker 1: probably is the biggest selling point with Mega as you're

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Speaker 1: ever going to get. And I think it's a very

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Speaker 1: easy case to make that Maduro was one of the

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Speaker 1: architects of that flood and that he's trying to deal

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Speaker 1: with that. I you know what's interesting about this is

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Speaker 1: not threatening Cuba at all. Right, Cuba is actually reaching

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Speaker 1: out to him to say, well, maybe we can talk

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Speaker 1: about a world without Maduro, which was very interesting. That

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Speaker 1: was a Wall Street Journal report last week. So it's

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Speaker 1: not like he's going after everybody. He's just going after Maduro,

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Speaker 1: and he's making it very clear.

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Speaker 2: That he's, well, you go after the biggest bully in

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Speaker 2: the yard, and everybody else seems to It's a fallaway

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Speaker 2: ed Morrissey.

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Speaker 3: Yes, hotair dot Com.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you man, as always, more is coming up.

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Speaker 3: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz and this is Tony

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Speaker 3: Katz today.

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Speaker 6: I think leaders have a responsibility to speak and act

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Speaker 6: with moral clarity. That's true of governors, and I think

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Speaker 6: Spencer Cox beats that.

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Speaker 3: Mark I tried to.

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Speaker 6: Meet it, and I think it's a responsibility that falls

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Speaker 6: on the President.

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Speaker 3: Of the United States as well.

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Speaker 6: I think this president not only failed tonight to speak

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Speaker 6: in act with moral clarity by attacking a fellow American

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Speaker 6: whether we agree or disagree with her positions in Congress,

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Speaker 6: but what he does when he attacks a fellow American

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Speaker 6: like that is it sends a signal to others in

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Speaker 6: this country that others can be scapegoaded.

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Speaker 2: That's Governor Sapiro of Pennsylvania talking about President Trump in

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania talking about Representative Ilhano mar Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: I could easily.

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Speaker 2: Argue that the commentary is gross, and the commentary is this,

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Speaker 2: that and the other. You might get a lot of

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Speaker 2: agreement in that. And if we haven't gotten the agreement

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Speaker 2: about how Representative Omar's commentary is gross, what do you

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Speaker 2: expect Governor I know what you want. I'm asking what

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Speaker 2: do you expect, Tony Katz? Tony Katz today, great to

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Speaker 2: be with you. Ilhan Omar says that people are hypnotized

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Speaker 2: by Israel and it's all about the Benjamins. As long

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Speaker 2: as they're getting paid off by Israel, Senators and members

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Speaker 2: of Congress will do anything. She said these words she

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Speaker 2: has in other places, in other languages, talked about her

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Speaker 2: focus on Somalia. There's an issue with the representative. There's

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Speaker 2: an issue with her potential connection to this massive fraud

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Speaker 2: to which she should be investigated. Now, I do not

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Speaker 2: say to you, well, none of that or that in

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Speaker 2: and of itself, while all awful, doesn't mean President Trump

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Speaker 2: should act a certain way.

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Speaker 3: We can agree.

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Speaker 2: On those things and others shouldn't engage in a certain way.

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Speaker 3: However, I said what do you expect? Not what would

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Speaker 3: you like? Because you and I actually want those same things.

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Speaker 2: But Governor, your team, your party set rules, and those rules,

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Speaker 2: for the record, suck everybody's fair game to the most

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Speaker 2: vicious awfulness.

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Speaker 3: You want to change those rules, I'm all in.

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Speaker 2: You got to start with people like Ilhan Omar and

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Speaker 2: Rashida Tsalib and all those on the left who wish

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Speaker 2: death on the president. That's a place to start. Get

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Speaker 2: your party to stop with the name calling, calling an

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Speaker 2: entire people you disagree with garbage, and that's a good

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Speaker 2: place to start your party. Set these rules, sir, start

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Speaker 2: with your party. Please find everything at Tony kats dot com.

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Speaker 2: More for everyone to take care