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Speaker 1: is the head coach of the Indiana Fever, Stephanie White,

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Speaker 1: who requested Steve Miller last week when we talked to her,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll begin with this. When you were in

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Speaker 1: while driving to school would be listening to Steve Miller

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Speaker 1: and thought for certain that he was actually saying, big

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Speaker 2: Yes or no? No?

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Speaker 3: What who said?

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Speaker 4: Who said get a light on?

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Speaker 3: There has to be one to remember, like back in

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Speaker 3: I mean that was just recently for me, right, Like

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Speaker 1: Oh it's mind blowing, I know, but there.

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Speaker 3: There have been a number you know, probably tell me

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Speaker 3: That go really fast and they kind of run together.

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Speaker 3: I was always like flying was always my thing. So

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Speaker 1: No way, okay, because those of us that don't have

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Speaker 1: program coach at Purdue, you had to do like solo flights. Correct, Okay,

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Speaker 3: The injury report for the fever over the last six weeks.

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Speaker 1: When you are flying a plane in there's turbulence, everybody

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Speaker 1: When you look at the players that you have been

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit of both.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe in momentum? I do, as do I

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Speaker 1: and I realize that injuries have been a major part

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Speaker 4: But but I was.

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Speaker 3: Pleased really with how we played on the offensive end

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Speaker 3: It's a critical time for us, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: You know, this team has been able to show that

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Speaker 1: By the way, your degree from Purdue is in communications.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Yes, two years in aviation and then two years in communication.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean? And I'm just curious, does that mean

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Speaker 1: Is that? What that's? Is that what this means?

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Speaker 4: It's not? That is not.

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Speaker 3: I actually got two years into it and realized it

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Speaker 3: And then change to communications, having no idea what I

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Speaker 1: My sophomore year at college, I learned how to balance

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Speaker 1: One more time coach. In terms of Caitlin Clark. I

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Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, I mean, for me, the endurance piece. We

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Speaker 1: There have been no major surprises. Sometimes there are that

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Speaker 1: has a very busy next twenty four to thirty six

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Speaker 1: Those so far that we either know or strongly suspect

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Speaker 5: I mean. I don't think any huge surprises so far.

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Speaker 5: it would be I guess at tight end. I think

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Speaker 5: people might be surprised for that. I was not surprised.

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Speaker 1: Wesley French is one of the names that I have

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Speaker 5: So I thought that one. I kind of predicted that one.

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Speaker 5: But I think I think that that offensive line group

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Speaker 1: Generally speaking, stealing that echo, let me ask you this

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just basically how many How much change do you

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Speaker 5: Was trending that way. We just haven't seen him in

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to go back to this situation as well,

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Speaker 1: me here, Steven. When Sam Ellinger was on the roster, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we all knew, I mean with the exception of

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Speaker 1: that like one weird year where it was like hey, boom,

440
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Speaker 1: he's your starter instead of Matt Ryan. But you had

441
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Speaker 1: like last year, for example, you've got Joe Flacko on

442
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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, and then Ellinger was there like a was

443
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Speaker 1: he you know, the emergency quarterback or practice squad quarterback

444
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Speaker 1: correct or was he on the fifty three man the

445
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Speaker 1: whole time?

446
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Speaker 5: He was generally on the fifty three man roster, but

447
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Speaker 5: he was he was definitely the third quarterback. And they

448
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Speaker 5: have altered that rule as of I think last year.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I wanted to clarify here, and my

450
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Speaker 1: apologies if I'm asking about the elementary, but that rule

451
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Speaker 1: that you're talking about, the qualifying rule, and when it

452
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Speaker 1: comes to quarterback and the quote unquote emergency quarterback, et cetera,

453
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Speaker 1: that impacts a roster or that means what for a roster.

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Speaker 5: So it is important because I think this, I think

455
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Speaker 5: you're absolually, you know, leading up to Roanley Leonard question here.

456
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Speaker 1: Correct.

457
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Speaker 5: So it matters a lot because I assume at least

458
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Speaker 5: because that third quarterback, they are allowed to be activated

459
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Speaker 5: on game day. Now, the third quarterback, this is going

460
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Speaker 5: back to the rule that we all grew up with,

461
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Speaker 5: which is that third quarterback, he's available, he's dressed, but

462
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Speaker 5: he can only play if the second quarterback, that the

463
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Speaker 5: number two quarterback is not available. So the first quarterback

464
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Speaker 5: has to go out of the game, the second quarterback

465
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Speaker 5: replaces him, and then he becomes unavailable. That is the

466
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Speaker 5: only scenario where that third quarterback designates the third quarterback.

467
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Speaker 5: That's the only situation where he can play. The reason

468
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Speaker 5: you do it, though, is that it does not count

469
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Speaker 5: against your allotted number of active players on game day, right,

470
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Speaker 5: So that's the incentive. It's like I can have this

471
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Speaker 5: guy dressed and in uniform, and he doesn't take away

472
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Speaker 5: an extra special teams player for me, you know, I'm

473
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Speaker 5: on my active players. So it's handy that way, And

474
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Speaker 5: I think that's why teams have, at least some teams

475
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Speaker 5: have leaned toward going with that third quarterback because it

476
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Speaker 5: doesn't hurt you on game day if you have a

477
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Speaker 5: situation where you have three quarterbacks but you don't have

478
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Speaker 5: that allotment in the act the game day actives, you

479
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Speaker 5: then have a spot where that third quarterback is taking

480
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Speaker 5: someone's spot that you may need. This alleviates that problem.

481
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Speaker 5: So there's really no disincentive unless you just can't afford

482
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Speaker 5: him among your fifty three man roster.

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Speaker 1: But so here's my question. Yeah, Monday through Friday, that

484
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Speaker 1: quarterback is where in terms of the roster.

485
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Speaker 5: He's on the active roster.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's on the active so he is. The reason

487
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Speaker 1: I ask it is because you know, there was always

488
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Speaker 1: that that I'm trying to think of a quarterback in

489
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Speaker 1: the Colts' recent history where this has been the case.

490
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Speaker 1: But a guy that's on your practice squad, then you

491
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Speaker 1: activate him, you know, like on Sunday for the purposes

492
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Speaker 1: of what we're talking about. Oh, p J.

493
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Speaker 5: Walker. P J Walker was that guy for like three years.

494
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Speaker 1: But he is, he's exposed. He's left unprotected to think

495
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Speaker 1: of expansion drafts, right, It would be my assumption that

496
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Speaker 1: the Colts do not want to run the risk of

497
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Speaker 1: leaving Riley Leonard unprotected after what they've seen from him.

498
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Speaker 1: Not that they anticipate him playing at any point this year,

499
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Speaker 1: but they don't want to. But but somebody else could.

500
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Speaker 1: And so therefore, if they like him, they have to

501
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Speaker 1: utilize a roster spot for him in particular because and

502
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Speaker 1: this is where I'm going with this, Steven, and then

503
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Speaker 1: I want you, Stephenholder of ESPN dot com, to tell

504
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Speaker 1: me if I'm way off base. The possibility that if

505
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Speaker 1: they think Riley Leonard could be a guy that could

506
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Speaker 1: play a two to three game relief role for them

507
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Speaker 1: at the backup spot, and they say, you know what,

508
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Speaker 1: at that point, our years probably over with any way,

509
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Speaker 1: If we're having to go to that, then that allows

510
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Speaker 1: them to make an in season trade of Anthony Richardson

511
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Speaker 1: if they think that that's where that relationship stands. Now,

512
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Speaker 1: I want you to tell me if I'm being way

513
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Speaker 1: too freudian.

514
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Speaker 5: So I mean in theory, yes, that is what you

515
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Speaker 5: laid out is accurate in theory. Yes, I do think

516
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Speaker 5: I'll start with this, I do think they are going

517
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Speaker 5: to keep him on the fifty three man roster and.

518
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Speaker 1: He being right.

519
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Speaker 5: Really that just Riley Leonard correct and that boils down

520
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Speaker 5: to you know, you drafted him, you see some things

521
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Speaker 5: in him that you like. He is not ready to play,

522
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Speaker 5: in my opinion, and I don't think the Colts district.

523
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Speaker 5: I don't think he's ready to play. I saw every

524
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Speaker 5: training camp practice. I think he's got a lot of

525
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Speaker 5: rooms still that he needs to grow before you could

526
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Speaker 5: even think about putting him out there. Now. As it

527
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 5: relates to the Anthony Richardson part of your question, as

528
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Speaker 5: we sit here today, the odds, this is just based

529
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Speaker 5: on what I know of the situation, which is a

530
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Speaker 5: fair amount based on my read of the situation right now.

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Speaker 5: I do not think he is likely to be traded.

532
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Speaker 5: I think that is very unlikely right now. However, However,

533
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Speaker 5: a couple of things. We haven't started the season. We

534
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Speaker 5: have not seen Daniel Jones in regular season action. At minimum,

535
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Speaker 5: you'd want to see how it's going with Daniel Jones Okay,

536
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Speaker 5: because the fact is we still look. I know Shane

537
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Speaker 5: Steichen is very optimistic about this, and that's great.

538
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Speaker 1: I love that for him.

539
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Speaker 5: Okay, but this is still Daniel Jones, all right. This

540
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 5: guy has had a couple of really terrible seasons the

541
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Speaker 5: last two years, awful, and there are mitigating factors. I

542
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Speaker 5: am not going to dismiss that.

543
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Speaker 1: For sure.

544
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Speaker 5: The Giants have a lot of problems, but Daniel Jones

545
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 5: was not good and that's just a fact. So they

546
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 5: just see what he looks like and see if this

547
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Speaker 5: is actually viable and workable, and then they know whether

548
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 5: this is even something that they should even consider. The

549
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 5: other thing is there is a recognition inside the organization

550
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 5: that Daniel Jones too has some injury history. Nothing to

551
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 5: the extent of Anthony Richardson, but he does have some

552
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 5: injury history and has missed games most seasons in his career,

553
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Speaker 5: so that's something they are keeping top of mind as well.

554
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Speaker 5: So I don't see him being moved right now, or

555
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Speaker 5: at least they desire to move him, unless things just

556
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Speaker 5: got nasty there and devolved. And I don't think we're

557
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 5: there yet. I mentioned this yesterday, Steven. I get the

558
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 5: impression when it comes to Anthony Richardson that the Colts

559
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 5: are hesitant to even move on from him, not because

560
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Speaker 5: they believe that he could still be a good player

561
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Speaker 5: for them, but because they're afraid he would be a

562
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Speaker 5: good player elsewhere. Well, it's always a bad look. I

563
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 5: can say that. I don't. I really think it's a

564
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 5: couple of things. Number One, they do like Anthony Richardson,

565
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Speaker 5: but there's also this competing reality here which is developing

566
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Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson. It takes time, and I don't think they

567
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 5: believe they have time. It's very clear, and frankly, it's

568
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Speaker 5: very clear to me that Anthony Richardson's agent, who I've

569
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Speaker 5: talked to obviously at length. I wrote a story with

570
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Speaker 5: his comments last week. My impression from talking to him

571
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Speaker 5: is that he thinks that Shane Stikeen's mind was made

572
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Speaker 5: up a long time ago. And I don't think that's

573
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Speaker 5: a crazy theory.

574
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that.

575
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Speaker 5: I actually I'm gonna say this, I haven't said this publicly.

576
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 5: I kind of agree with him. I did. I'm not

577
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 5: saying that the competition was a sham, but I think

578
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 5: you obviously have a preconceived notion of where you think

579
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 5: you're going with a decision right when you're waiting to options.

580
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 5: And I think he was leaning toward Daniel Jones heavily

581
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 5: the entire time. And I didn't necessarily have clarity on

582
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 5: that until recently, but there were certain statements in certain

583
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 5: conversations that I've had in the past that now when

584
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 5: I think about them through this current lens, I got

585
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 5: clarity on that. Does that make sense, Yeah, So I

586
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 5: believe that I really do believe that he was heavily

587
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 5: leaning toward Daniel Jones the whole time. Now, me to

588
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 5: wrap it up, what I was going to say of

589
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 5: an Anthony is that, yeah, they've believed in him, and

590
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 5: they've drafted him. They believe there's something there. But I

591
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 5: just don't know that. They still don't have any quarterback

592
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 5: clarity beyond this season, and that's the bottom line. And

593
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Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know that. I believe Anthony

594
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Speaker 5: Richardson is going to be their quarterback in twenty twenty six,

595
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 5: but they don't have one, So I mean, I guess

596
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 5: it's just as likely as anything else, right, So I

597
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 5: don't know. I just don't think they have any any

598
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 5: security at that position, so they're they're reluctant to just

599
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 5: completely close the door.

600
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Speaker 1: Stephen, Is it unfair of me to say this when

601
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: it comes to Richardson for example? Okay, it is my

602
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: belief and I have nothing to base this on. I

603
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: want to make it emphatically clear. This is simply me

604
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: reading tea leaves and just my belief. Okay, just my

605
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: gut instinct. My instinct tells me that internally at the

606
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Speaker 1: top brass that they're over it with Anthony Richardson, not

607
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: as a person, not as a kid, not as a guy,

608
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: not as a young man, and just as a quarterback.

609
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Speaker 1: That they're like, yeah, we've given we can't wait any longer.

610
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Speaker 1: And they've moved on from that. And Shane Steiken is

611
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Speaker 1: one that I that I think is the spearhead of

612
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Speaker 1: that because if you go back and you look, it's

613
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Speaker 1: like the sixth sense. You go back and you look

614
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Speaker 1: at it and you go, how do we not see

615
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: this coming? Because he's basically been telling us this for

616
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Speaker 1: a while now. With all of that said, I agree

617
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Speaker 1: with you with Daniel Jones and barring a miracle, even

618
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: if Daniel Jones is Sam Darnold and all of a

619
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: sudden they have this season where they go eleven and

620
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Speaker 1: six and they get into the playoffs and then they

621
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Speaker 1: get beat thirty one to nine to the Cincinnati Bengals,

622
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Speaker 1: And okay, great. Having said all of that, when I

623
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Speaker 1: look at just the overall the change in ownership the quarterback,

624
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Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, I wonder if that is

625
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Speaker 1: not actually, if all of this is not just the

626
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: seed that they decide to water, that is a complete

627
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: overhaul of all aspects of the franchise next year and

628
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: a complete start over.

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Speaker 6: Am I like chicken little here? Well, well, this is

630
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Speaker 6: what I can agree with. If you are Carly ERSA.

631
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 6: Gordon and you are looking at Chris Ballard's miscalculations at quarterback,

632
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 6: and then you are looking at Saane Steichen who who who?

633
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Speaker 6: He pounded his fists for Anthony Richardson. Okay, and two

634
00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 6: years later it's like, no, I'm gonna play Daniel freaking Jones. Okay,

635
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 6: you have you have a very firm, firm leg to

636
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 6: stand on if next year you say I'm not letting

637
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 6: you guys get anywhere near a quarterback decision, right, I mean,

638
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 6: that is a very prudent position that she could take

639
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 6: and what who.

640
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 5: Could argue with her. I'm not saying it's the right

641
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 5: or wrong decision. I'm just saying that's that's what she decides.

642
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 5: I mean, what case can you make, you know, to

643
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 5: argue that she's wrong. That's what I'd say. So so

644
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 5: I think everybody in the organization understands that, probably up

645
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 5: to and including the two men were talking about Shane

646
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 5: Stacking and Chris Ballard. So they got to figure something out.

647
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 5: And they've got to show some positive trajectory at that

648
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 5: position here and change the conversation and change the tide,

649
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 5: you know, turn the tide at quarterback, because right now

650
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 5: it's all bad.

651
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: It's all that.

652
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 5: I just can't keep doing this.

653
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Speaker 1: By the way, and we will include Stephen for this

654
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Speaker 1: news Eddie the breaking news sounder, please if you could

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Speaker 1: this just dan a few minutes ago from Steven's colleague

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Speaker 1: at ESPN, Adam Schefter. Even though he has already won

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls, Travis Kelcey has gotten another ring. He placed

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Speaker 1: it on the finger of Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift and

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Speaker 1: Travis kelce now officially engaged Steven. I know you've been

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Speaker 1: waiting for this for a while.

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Speaker 5: Correct this is Is this the biggest transaction Adam's ever broken? Yes, listen,

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Speaker 5: I work with Adam very closely, and listen, could we could.

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Speaker 1: Have one like a little actually and break it? I

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Speaker 1: think they put it on Instagram, didn't they?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 5: All right? So I was going to say, like, I've

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Speaker 5: worked breaking news with this guy and you know he's

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Speaker 5: he's insane. Okay, I love Adam, but the guy is maniacal.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, I was like, I can't even imagine how

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Speaker 5: he would have been if he broke this one, because

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Speaker 5: you know, he doesn't want to get beat on anything.

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Speaker 5: All right, Anyway, I digress. That is a big transaction, though,

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Speaker 5: big big transaction.

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Speaker 1: Travis kills.

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Speaker 5: Internet, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: What's ed? It's going to be Internet, isn't it. I

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Speaker 1: actually wonder, like this is going to sound crazy. Does

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Speaker 1: that do any kind of like expected? Does it do

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Speaker 1: anything for her? And I don't know when I say

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Speaker 1: this like that, the swifties are going to go crazy? Right?

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Speaker 1: Does this in any way shape or form impact like

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Speaker 1: kind of her aura or her trajectory because her entire aura,

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Speaker 1: I think is the fact that she's like the girl

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Speaker 1: that has like the boyfriends that you know did her

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Speaker 1: wrong and she writes songs about it. Whatever else she

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Speaker 1: is a I mean, she is obviously one of the most,

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Speaker 1: if not the most powerful entertainment brands in the world,

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Speaker 1: no question about it. But you know, does that does

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Speaker 1: that in any way, shape or form change the trajectory

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Speaker 1: for either one of them?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what you're saying, you know, I mean like, and

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Speaker 5: it's always like, all right, take like the hot the

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Speaker 5: hot pop star, whoever, you know, replace her with whoever else? Right,

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Speaker 5: whoever was like the hot pop star with all the

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Speaker 5: guys would love to hook up with. Right if they

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Speaker 5: then hook up with someone like permanently, are they less

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Speaker 5: desirable to the guys? I don't know. It's not the

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Speaker 5: exact same question, but something I wonder maybe, like in

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Speaker 5: the shower, Well.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. And when I say this, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to show my total ignorance about Taylor Swift. And I

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Speaker 1: have all the respect in the world for what she does.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she is a billion dollar economic generator for

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Speaker 1: cities having boat here.

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Speaker 5: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think part of her relatability to a large part

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Speaker 1: of her audience is the fact that she is the

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Speaker 1: girl that never needed the trophy guy, and now she

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Speaker 1: has the trophy guy. Right, does that defy what her

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Speaker 1: brain is?

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Speaker 5: I wonder. I wonder that's a good question. I mean,

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Speaker 5: she might be less inspired in her songwriting now, because

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Speaker 5: from everything I've ever heard about Taylors is that she

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Speaker 5: must have had some really doobies of relationships in the

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Speaker 5: past that inspired some amazing songwritings. So I wonder how

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Speaker 5: that's going to work.

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Speaker 1: Now, Okay, Steven, we will start fighting out the finality

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Speaker 1: of the Colts roster. I realize they have until four

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Speaker 1: o'clock to basically announce that. If I'm not mistaken, and

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Speaker 1: I told Eddie this, it feels to me like last

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Speaker 1: year they were one of the last teams to announce

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Speaker 1: their roster. They don't have to necessarily publicize it it

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Speaker 1: for right.

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Speaker 5: They have to submit it to the NFL. They can

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Speaker 5: tell us two weeks from now if they want to.

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Speaker 5: But you know, in theory, yes, so yeah, they tend

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Speaker 5: to wait until the very last minute. That's just kind

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Speaker 5: of what they do, and it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Will there be any other major surprises yet? Not that

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Speaker 1: there have been major surprises yet, but do you think

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Speaker 1: we will hear major surprises.

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Speaker 5: I don't, I really don't. I really think this will

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Speaker 5: be one of the smoothest roster cutdowns they've had in

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Speaker 5: recent years. Now, you know, it's still a tough day

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Speaker 5: for the guys who get that bad news, of course, right,

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Speaker 5: But I'm just talking about from the perspective of decision making.

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Speaker 5: I don't think this is going to be that tough.

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Speaker 5: They have a lot of carryover from last year. They

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Speaker 5: have a lot of veterans who have very defined roles.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to be that difficult for

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Speaker 5: them for the most part.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Stevenholder, ESPN dot Com. I realize that you

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Speaker 1: will have all of the coverage for it. Certainly appreciate

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Speaker 1: on what I know is going to be a busy afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you not only dealing with the questions but also

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift conversation always fun.

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Speaker 5: Sure, why not? I mean, it's a big day in

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Speaker 5: American history, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: It is? It is? Hey, congratulations both them, right, I

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Speaker 1: got nothing inside of one of them, to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, you know, congrats.

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Speaker 5: I like them both.

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Speaker 1: I like them both, all right, Steven, appreciate it, all right, Sea,

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Speaker 1: Steven Holder joining us on the program. We do have

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Speaker 1: Scott agnes as returned here Scott before we get into

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Speaker 1: the fever, since you are a noted Swifty correct.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I do enjoy it for sure. So today's news

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Speaker 7: is certainly massive in the community.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you live in a swifty community? Is that right? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you, and I've gotten the female perspective

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Speaker 1: on this. I'm curious, though you're a fan of Taylor Swift,

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Speaker 1: what does this do just in terms of the theme

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Speaker 1: and the messaging of And I'm not saying that any

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Speaker 1: of that is bad, but from my understanding, a large

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Speaker 1: part of Taylor Swift's songwriting and vibe has been relationship based,

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Speaker 1: and notably based in the conversation of failed relationships. She

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Speaker 1: now has found the one, presumably and hopefully that in

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Speaker 1: fact sticks. How does that change the branding of Taylor Swift?

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Speaker 7: I love this a legitimate funny question though also with

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Speaker 7: all this, yeah, a lot of it has been absolutely

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Speaker 7: about her relationships in her past and those different things.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure she's an immaculate marketer and an incredible songwriter

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Speaker 7: and then obviously singer performer, So I have no doubt

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Speaker 7: that she'll adjust and hopefully it'll be more favorable things.

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Speaker 7: But I think that's why a lot of young girls

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Speaker 7: especially love her relate to her because they're perhaps going

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Speaker 7: she's singing about things they're going through or about to

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Speaker 7: go through.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So moving on to the fever. I don't disagree, Scot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you know, here's the thing. Kidding aside, okay,

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Speaker 1: as the kids say, I'm going to be real here. Okay.

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Speaker 1: There was a I think a big epiphany for me, Scott,

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Speaker 1: happened when twenty five years ago, maybe not that, but

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago gen Con. Okay. I would see the

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Speaker 1: folks that would come in town for gen Con, and

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Speaker 1: like a lot of jocks, if you want to use

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Speaker 1: that term, I would snicker at the people that came

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Speaker 1: in dressed like their favorite Klingon or Darth Vader or

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Speaker 1: whatever walking around downtown and would go to almost gawk

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Speaker 1: at it and like poke fun of it. Okay, And

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Speaker 1: then somebody pointed out to me, they said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: what's the difference between that and the guy that's wearing

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Speaker 1: a Peyton Manning jersey to go to a colts game.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's a very fair point. And then

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Speaker 1: I thought about it, Scott, and I thought, when I

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Speaker 1: go to Clemson games, I wear a pair of orange

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Speaker 1: Oakley sunglasses. I would never wear orange Oakley sunglasses elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: not because they're Oakley's, because they're orange, but I'm doing

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Speaker 1: it while I'm at the Clemson game, and I wear

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Speaker 1: a pair of like orange sweatpants that are Clemson sweatpants.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that normally. And then I thought, you

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Speaker 1: know what, Clemson is my gen con And who am

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Speaker 1: I to poke fun at other people? You do you?

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Speaker 1: We're all adults. You do you if it makes you happy,

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Speaker 1: you do you. And I could laugh or snicker at

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Speaker 1: people that get totally into the energy, the vibe, the

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Speaker 1: euphoria of a Taylor Swift concert. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: went to England and went to those two Oasis shows,

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Speaker 1: and the energy and the positivity and the camaraderie that

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Speaker 1: came with being around all of these other people that

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Speaker 1: shared the same soundtrack of importance in their lives is

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Speaker 1: what it meant to me was cool. And so therefore,

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Speaker 1: when I look at people that go to a Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift concert, I'm like, who am I to say whether

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Speaker 1: or not that's valid or invalid of what brings them joy.

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Speaker 1: So you do you So, I totally understand that. I

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Speaker 1: was just I'm genuinely curious as to what that reaction

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Speaker 1: from people is about this personal news of hers.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and no, I appreciate that entirely in that we

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Speaker 7: all have something we're probably obsessed with, and you'll go

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Speaker 7: to different levels to either show it or to enjoy it,

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Speaker 7: whether it's traveling to concerts or traveling to games. Me

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Speaker 7: and you both do that, right, traveling for work, all

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Speaker 7: those different things that we enjoy that all come.

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Speaker 2: Along part of it, for sure.

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Speaker 7: This is it's funny because of the timing too, right

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Speaker 7: at the start of the season and being on a

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Speaker 7: big transaction day for the NFL and everything.

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Speaker 2: But I'm with you.

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Speaker 7: As long as whatever someone's obsessed with either brings them passionate,

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Speaker 7: it doesn't tear anybody down or it negative good for you,

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Speaker 7: go enjoy it totally.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's get to the news about Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 1: and Stephanie White said earlier five practices when you look

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Speaker 1: at their schedule, Scott knowing that now if in fact

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Speaker 1: they would like to see five practices before they can

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Speaker 1: see her on the floor. That to you would lead

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Speaker 1: you to believe that her return could be win. And

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Speaker 1: in addition to that, do you cross over a point

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Speaker 1: where you're like, now it's better. Now it's not as necessary.

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Speaker 7: In terms of the practices or the return in total. Well,

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Speaker 7: let's begin being necessary. Let's begin with how long from

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Speaker 7: the practice. Yeah, from the practice standpoint, I would say

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Speaker 7: you're probably looking at least another week. The thing I

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Speaker 7: wonder with what you reference with Steph as what do

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Speaker 7: you classify officially as a practice. Technically, yesterday was a

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Speaker 7: film day, But if you're Caitlin and the staffers, you

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Speaker 7: can easily get in there and get a workout in

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Speaker 7: of some course, and you're obviously going to work in

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Speaker 7: some of the new girls as well as you're constantly

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Speaker 7: having to sign players to seven day contracts. But realistically,

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Speaker 7: I'm looking about a week at out.

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Speaker 2: After this road trip that is.

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Speaker 7: La Golden State Phoenix, you play a Chicago team that

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Speaker 7: this Fever team have dominated all season long, winning all

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Speaker 7: four games by an average of like twenty five points.

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Speaker 7: A Washington team that is in the thick of the

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Speaker 7: playoff race, and then that last game Minnesota the Links

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Speaker 7: have already not only clinch, but I mean there are

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Speaker 7: probably on the verge of nailing that number one pick,

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Speaker 7: and so that would be the ultimate meaningless game. From

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Speaker 7: a Links standpoint, They're right, there would be a good

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Speaker 7: three games going into potentially the playoff situation.

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Speaker 1: Because at some point do you think and I get it.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because from a fan perspective and from an

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Speaker 1: organization for respective her two totally different things. Right. Making

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Speaker 1: the playoffs is one thing. Feeling a you know that

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Speaker 1: you have a legitimate run in you is another. For example,

870
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: if Caitlin Clark was only available to let's say, play

871
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: one regular season game that eaks them into the playoffs

872
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: and then goes into playoffs, do you believe then that

873
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: they do it if they think that there is anything

874
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: other than one hundred percent.

875
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 7: From a health standpoint, to me, I don't know if

876
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 7: one game's worth it. My thing all along is given

877
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 7: that she is healthy and able to get through things. Certainly,

878
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 7: I think it is incredibly important for her just individually

879
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 7: to come back, especially when you factor in how long

880
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 7: the offseason is, and like Tamika Catching's back in the

881
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 7: day and all those pros they go overseas right away.

882
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 7: They're going to Turkey and China and somewhere in Europe

883
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 7: to play. Caitlin's not hasn't done that, She's not doing

884
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 7: unrivaled her next action. You're talking like mid May. That

885
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 7: is a lot both physically after not playing most of

886
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 7: the season and mentally for her girls so young loves

887
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 7: the game and is fiercely competitive. I think for all

888
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 7: of those reasons and more, if she can come back

889
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 7: for at least a couple games, it's incredibly important. I'll

890
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 7: mention too, my mentality and all this has shift seeing

891
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 7: others go through it. I saw Paul George do that

892
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 7: in like twenty sixteen, suffer that injury, missed almost the

893
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 7: entire season, came back for the final six games, and

894
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 7: then could go into the off season not focused on

895
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 7: a return, but powering up to the next season. Same

896
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 7: thing with TJ McConnell many years later. He suffered like

897
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 7: a fractured wrist or thumb, had surgery on it. The

898
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 7: team wasn't going anywhere bound for the lottery, and I

899
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 7: think he returned for the final like ten games or

900
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 7: so in a season that was not playoff implications. But

901
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 7: he said that was incredibly important for him to return

902
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 7: from that and so he could go into the offseason

903
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 7: feeling healthy and building upon it, rather than the lingering

904
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 7: of Okay, my return, how am I going to look?

905
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 7: How am I going to feel? You could put that

906
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 7: behind them. That's why I think it's important for Kaitlyn

907
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 7: to return if she can.

908
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: Scott, what do you think in terms of you know,

909
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: we talked to Stephanie White about this earlier, but when

910
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: you look at the back court play for the Fever

911
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: and the fact that they've had to almost overhaul their backcourt, right,

912
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: I mean, just based on injury, and I think they've

913
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: got players that have done a good job with that.

914
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: But you know, Stephanie White was open about the fact

915
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: that there has been a challenge of trying to maintain

916
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: the same style of play. Have you noticed any sort

917
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: of a pace or stylistic difference with Indiana now having

918
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: to utilize three new guards from the guards that they

919
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: started the year with.

920
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you can just see them playing a

921
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 7: little bit more basic offense, a lot more read and

922
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 7: react rather than offensive sets. I mean, with Caitlyn out there,

923
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 7: you're playing through Aleah Boston so much more. The pick

924
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 7: and roll is just killer in there because you sag

925
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 7: off Kaitlin, there's a three, you go off, you double

926
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 7: team Caitlyn, and Aali is slippingto the bass get for

927
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 7: a layup or an easy five footer that she always

928
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 7: knocks down. I also think with these newcomers as well,

929
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 7: there's bound to be a lot of miscommunication, so you're

930
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 7: seeing several opportunities out there where a player maybe was

931
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 7: supposed to be there.

932
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: It's an end of shot clock.

933
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 7: I think it slowed down a little bit, and it's

934
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 7: less organized in a way that you would ordinarily think of,

935
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 7: with different play calls and sets and expectations, and much

936
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 7: more for them trying to get defensive stops and playing

937
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 7: in transition.

938
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes is our guest Fieldhouse Files, where you can

939
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: read his work. Scott. The Pacers had a coaching change

940
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: over the course of really the end of the week

941
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: end of the weekend. What can you tell us about that?

942
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: Because it initially when I saw that Mike Winer was leaving,

943
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: I thought that it was because he was interested in

944
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: a job in New York. It looks like that is

945
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: not going to be the case. What can you tell

946
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: us about changes on the bench for Indiana.

947
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, so sudden. Well, you know, less than a month

948
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 7: Jake before the start of training camp. That's not ordinarily

949
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 7: where there are changes like this. This is usually done

950
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 7: in mid July, so that was a little bit surprising.

951
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 7: I saw Mike when we were out for Vegas Summer

952
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 7: League in early July as usual, as he was out

953
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 7: there with the rest of the coaching staff. He's been

954
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 7: with Rick Carlile since two thousand and eight. We have

955
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 7: not gotten any clarity on this. He has not responded

956
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 7: to messages at this point, which is unlike him, and

957
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,959
Speaker 7: so I'm guessing here that he's just taking family time

958
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 7: and enjoying it. It was not the easiest last couple

959
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 7: of months for him, as he lost his father in

960
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 7: the spring. I don't know what kind of factor that

961
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 7: may be played in all this, but it's certainly so

962
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 7: sudden that it definitely is not your normal off season

963
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 7: change here and now promoting Jim Boylan and then bringing

964
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 7: in a familiar face for Rick Carlile, Johnny Carpenter, who

965
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 7: was He spent some time here in the Summer League

966
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 7: three years ago with them and spent a majority of

967
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 7: his time at the alma mater of Rick and Jenny

968
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 7: Bousick at the University of Virginia. But this is a

969
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 7: substantial change because he's been Rick's right hand man, Winer has.

970
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 7: He's handled a lot of the offense, a lot of

971
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 7: the in game, end of game situations, and a lot

972
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 7: of the let's call them changes whenever the referees are

973
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 7: emphasizing something or or there's a unique way to handle

974
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 7: a certain situation, the specialty plays maybe is what I

975
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 7: want to call them, or circumstances. Mike was in charge

976
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 7: of all that. So this is definitely a substantial loss

977
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 7: for a Pacers team that otherwise with other than losing Miles,

978
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 7: Turner has great continuity on this roster.

979
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. You know, I'm curious in terms of, like,

980
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: for example, the offensive sets or schemes or areas of

981
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: assistance do we know yet kind of who who assumes

982
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: that responsibility. I know who assumes the seat right or

983
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: you know how the seats are shuffled, but the responsibilities

984
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: do we know how that will be divvy?

985
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: Not yet?

986
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 7: And that's something that's evolved a great deal with on

987
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 7: Carlisle staff over the last several years. It was like

988
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 7: three years ago where he specifically went to a coordinator system,

989
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 7: and I think it was last year where he specifically

990
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 7: said they're going away from a coordinator system. Yet we

991
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 7: do know, you know, Winer's involvement offense. We saw Jenny

992
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 7: Boussick along with Jim Boylan, but primary Jenny at the

993
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 7: front of the bench are running the defense and getting

994
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 7: guys into the right spots. Maybe Lloyd Pierce takes over more.

995
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 7: I will say this is such a unique situation too,

996
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 7: in that when ty Reese is out there, he's the

997
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 7: one getting them organized. Anyway, it'd be more the coach

998
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 7: into game situations or out of bounds plays, after timeouts

999
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 7: atos where you're really diagramming and organizing and things like that.

1000
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 7: But Lloyd Pierce obviously has great responsibility on this staff.

1001
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 7: He's the lead assistant, is in all the meetings and

1002
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 7: those sorts of things. But I think that's something we'll

1003
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 7: have a better idea of at the start of training camp.

1004
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: Scott, you have seen Taylor Swift how many times in concert?

1005
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: Just once?

1006
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: I couldn't get tickets for the life of me the

1007
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: last couple of years.

1008
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: Nope, So just a one time in Indy, right, Yeah, that.

1009
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 7: Was at Lucas Oil Stadium, I want to say in

1010
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 7: twenty seventeen or something like that.

1011
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: Because I hear a lot of people say that you

1012
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: can get that sometimes like the smart play is to

1013
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: go overseas to see her because the tickets are cheaper

1014
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: and sometimes like even the hotels and everything.

1015
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 7: Right, I know, I've learned about that the most from

1016
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 7: Laura Steele. I think she did that. Didn't she go

1017
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 7: to like Shane.

1018
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she went to Madrid maybe, yeah.

1019
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that was it.

1020
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 7: And in the seats are organized, I've later found out

1021
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 7: if you purchase a seat on the floor, it's just

1022
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 7: general admission and so it's all about when you get

1023
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 7: there and maybe during the show you can go to

1024
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 7: one side to then the other and things like that.

1025
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 7: And the prices were like a fifth of the cost.

1026
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 7: So I would have absolutely done that if I knew

1027
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 7: in time. That sounds like a great excuse.

1028
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: So when, as I've mentioned before on this program, when

1029
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: I went and saw a concert in England and listen,

1030
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm extremely fortunate and grateful to have been able to

1031
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, I'm not, by any stretch of

1032
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: the imagination pretending that's something that people just like, let's

1033
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: just go, you know what I mean. My cousin and

1034
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: I went, and it was his kind of vision and

1035
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: I will forever be grateful. But one of the things

1036
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: I learned in outdoor concert venues in England is that

1037
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: people like to throw urin all over the place. Now

1038
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: do you think that would take place in the Taylor

1039
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: Swift concert over there? No?

1040
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: I don't, nor have I ever heard of that? Are

1041
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: you serious?

1042
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So here's the thing. I mentioned this before,

1043
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: but it's worth revisiting. So I think this comes from

1044
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: British soccer culture, but an outdoor concert. So this concert

1045
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: that I went to was they said eighty thousand. I

1046
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: think it was more like one hundred thousand. If the

1047
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: NFL draft consensus was surveying, it was one point six million.

1048
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: But I'd love that annual bit.

1049
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: That's right. So when you get a group of guys

1050
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: that go to a concert or gals, I mean a

1051
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: group of people that would go to a concert in

1052
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: England or a soccer match if it's outdoors, you get

1053
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: somebody that's the beer runner, because like you're in this

1054
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: packed you know, fish bowl area, and so they go

1055
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: and they bring back, you know, things of all the

1056
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: draft beers, and so you're you double fish your beers

1057
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean, or for that matter, water whatever you're consuming

1058
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: liquid wise, but I mean mostly beer is the culprit here.

1059
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: And then if it comes time to use the restroom,

1060
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: it's really difficult to a get through the crowd and

1061
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: then be find your way back to where your group is.

1062
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: So you use the cups. And then once your favorite

1063
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: song comes on, or a song where you're just caught

1064
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: up in jubilation, you just hoist that bad Boys high

1065
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: in the air as you can. And this is what

1066
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: I learned. This is why if you're going to a concert,

1067
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: I recommend, Oh, that's only like the front forty percent

1068
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: of the crowd, So the other sixty percent are fuddy

1069
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: dutties like me in the back looking like my cousin

1070
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: and I must have looked at each other and just

1071
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: broke out and laughter like a hundred times. By just

1072
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: moisture and cups flying everywhere crazy.

1073
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure what's say to that.

1074
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 7: I have no interest in that, but I did have

1075
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 7: interest in going over to those those concerts.

1076
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: I mean, whether it was Taylor, I think would be phenomenal.

1077
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think Taylor Swift fans are doing that.

1078
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: Per Se. What upcoming do you have working in Fieldhouse files?

1079
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, so we had Tyrese Haliburton back in town over

1080
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 7: the weekend, so that was great to talk with him

1081
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 7: and also been going to work on a feature. I

1082
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 7: asked Caitlin about rehabbing and being there right sidestep with

1083
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 7: with Haliburton, and then I was able to ask him

1084
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Speaker 7: about it.

1085
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Speaker 2: So it's remarkable, Jake, how this out of correct.

1086
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Speaker 7: He does not have to be in at full time,

1087
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 7: but for example, during his camp on was Saturday, that's

1088
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Speaker 7: how he was getting it around.

1089
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Speaker 2: He is not.

1090
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 7: He can go and shoes, but not full time. He's

1091
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Speaker 7: off the scooter is the main development, but he is

1092
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 7: still on in a boot and such. But those two

1093
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 7: have been rehabbing essentially together in the weight room together,

1094
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 7: and so I think that's a unique story about how

1095
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 7: high everybody in this town was and things were going.

1096
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 7: And now the two biggest ours are rehabbing and doing

1097
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Speaker 7: so somewhat together.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy stuff for sure. All right, Scott, appreciate the

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Speaker 1: time as always, absolutely, thank you, Jake,