1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so you've read these quotes, right, mm hmm, am I. 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: I mean you're the voice of reason on this program, 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: so I was put it to you. Am I wrong 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: in reading this and saying our lawmakers are just beyond ridiculous? 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: Well, I think they're really good at drawing attention to 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: the problem. We all know what the issue is. However, 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: I don't see a solution in Okay, of these quotes. 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Okay, what was it? There was it? There was a 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Dave Mason that did the song? We just disagree. 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: Yes, there ain't no good guy, There ain't no bad guy. 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: Your boyfriend Billy Dean, does it cover? 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: We just disagree to the show. 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: Billy Dean, Yes, that's right. But I think Dave Mason 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: was the original. He was right on that. And like 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: this article in the Indian of Capitol Chronicle, I feel 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: like that is that's what they just should have titled it. 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: There ain't no good guy, There ain't no good guy, 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: There ain't no bad guy. Well, there's plenty, it should 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: be there ain't no good guy. There's plenty of bad guys. 20 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: There's only you and me and I'm just getting screwed. 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: That should be the article. 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: Maybe we could get in the studio and rework. 23 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: That should have been a headline writer. Right. 24 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this article seo friendly. I don't know. 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: This article is about how the lunitic governor bycah beckwe 26 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: is calling for a repeal or a moratorium or whatever 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: on sales tax paid on your utility bill. Correct, So 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: if you look at your utility bill, you'll see all 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: these things you have no idea what they are, and 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: then you'll see the Have you ever actually looked at 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: your utility bill or do you just pay it? Have 32 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: you ever tried to actually read through it and understand it? 33 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: Actually? No, I just pay it. 34 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. See, this is why this is how you're no offense. 35 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: I have to find that account number and then enter 36 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: that in and then I just say, okay, it went 37 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: up again. 38 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: No offense because I'm sure you're a wonderful human. I'd 39 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: like to get to know you better. But you're part 40 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: of the problem. Yeah, I mean, like if people give 41 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: me cookie, it's all gone. 42 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: The uh. 43 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: If you do yourself a favor next time, whether it's 44 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: your electric bill, gas bill, whatever, actually read the bill 45 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: and wear the charges, the service charge and this fee 46 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: and that that fee, like a fraction of it is 47 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: actually or portion of it is actually the actual stuff 48 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: you use. There's all sorts of like bizarre things on 49 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: there that I'm sure are just complete and utter, you know, ridiculousness. 50 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: Budge fee. One of the things that's part of it 51 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: is you pay taxes on your utility bill. The seven 52 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 1: percent sales tax. You pay it on your utility bill. 53 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: And a couple of years ago, at fact, I think 54 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: it was when the abortion special Session was going on, 55 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: they actually cut a couple of taxes for the the 56 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: utility and the retailers who used the utility. And they 57 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: tried to guys that as it'll be saving you a 58 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: bunch of money because they're just passing that onto you see, 59 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: what have the utility bills done in the last three years? 60 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: Increase? 61 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: It turns out it saved them a bunch of money, 62 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: them being the utilities and large users. It didn't save 63 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: us any money. Isn't that a theme? Have you caught 64 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: on a theme in the state of Indiana. If you're 65 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: a big business, step right up, what one hundred million 66 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: is enough for you? Can we give you two hundred million? 67 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: Like there's never a limit. If you're a big business. 68 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: But if you're a regular person, eat crap and die anyway. 69 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: So he, being the lieutenant governors, come out and said 70 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: he believes there should be a repeal or. 71 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: A moratorium on Indiana's seven percent sales tax. 72 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: The problem is, and this is the equivalent of basically 73 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: dining and dashing. It's the public policy equivalent of dining 74 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: and dashing, in which the lieutenant governor is basically running 75 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: into the restaurant, eating the meal and then going, hey, 76 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: somebody better pay for that, see you, because he's not 77 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: telling you because he doesn't know how much money does 78 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: that generate? And what are you willing to do less of? 79 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: Or what are you proposing we do with less of 80 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: if you're going to cut this tax. Look, I'm all 81 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: in agreement. Remember I was the guy who proposed the 82 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: Indiana DOJE who said I'll find you in six months 83 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: two and a half billion worth of savings and I'll 84 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: do it if you agree to give it all back 85 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: to the taxpayers. Right. So, but they don't ever do this, 86 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: don't he doesn't do this. Most of these politicians don't 87 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: ever do this. They're just it's like they're just drive 88 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: by politicians. Hey we should just spend the sales tax 89 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: on utility. Great idea, what are you going to cut? Hey, 90 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: we should spend the sales tax on utility. 91 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: Well, I do think it's good that he's using his 92 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: platform to bring more light to the problem. He said, 93 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: people are shouting about this issue more than any other 94 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: issue right now as I travel the state time out. 95 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: We heard this from him and Braun last year, the 96 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: governor on property taxes, right, and what did it get us? 97 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: So I don't want to hear any more about this 98 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: is the most heard about issue or the most the 99 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: issue I hear the most about, because we were right 100 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: in this same place last year where they were coming 101 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: on our program talk about how it's the most hurt 102 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: about issue or the thing I hear the most about. 103 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: And then remember they tried to go, eh, no, no, no, no, 104 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: it was only in central Indiana we heard the most. 105 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: Remember they tried that when the property tax thing failed 106 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: that they were like, well, we didn't hear enough outside 107 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: of Central Indiana, but you just kept coming on our 108 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: show saying this was the most thing you heard the 109 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: most about, But no, it's just in Central Indiana. You 110 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: guys didn't do enough in the rest of the state. 111 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: So point in all of this go ahead, Well, I 112 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: was just. 113 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: Gonna say, what we need one monkey in, one monkey out. 114 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: Isn't that the rule? You don't walk into your boss's 115 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: office and say I've got an issue. You walk into 116 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 2: your boss's office and say, hey, I have this problem. 117 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: Here's my solution. 118 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: What do you think? Or if you're going to walk 119 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: into my office with a monkey guess what? Take one out? 120 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the problem with this is then it gives 121 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: room for dumbasses like Jeff Thompson, the head of Ways 122 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: and Means, and Travis Holdman, who is his equivalent in 123 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: the Senate, the taxi fiscal policy guy in the Senate, 124 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: to say the stupid stuff that they said in the 125 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: Indiana Capitol Chronicle piece. And look they acknowledge. Well Thompson, 126 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: the head of Ways and Means in the House, who 127 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: wrote the disastrous Senate bill won the property tax bill, 128 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: he acknowledges here in this quote that the that the 129 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: taxes are unjust right quote, once you start down that path, 130 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: he's talking about repealing the sales tax on utilities. I 131 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: can think of a whole lot of things we should 132 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: not be doing. Sales tax on. 133 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 2: Great, keep going put a problem, problem solved. I'm listening, 134 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: and the list just. 135 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: Is getting longer as I sit here and longer and longer. Okay, hight, Yeah, 136 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do about it? 137 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: Huh? 138 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: And the answer is nothing. So you've acknowledged right there 139 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: that all these sales tax you can think of, all 140 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: these sales tax that are totally unjust because right you know, 141 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: you can't shop your utility, you can't do without your utility. 142 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: It's not a sales tax on something that's a luxury. 143 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: It's a sales tax on something you have to have, 144 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: and you have no recourse in terms of who's providing 145 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: that and what you have to pay. 146 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: He went on to say, where do you draw that line? 147 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: That's the ongoing discussion. 148 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: But hold Travis Holdman, who is the head of now 149 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: remember hold. 150 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: It chairs the Senate's Tax and Fiscal Policy Committee. 151 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: But time about we got to point this out about 152 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: this guy. This is the same guy who remember when 153 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: Daniel Elliott was trying to the state treasurer was trying 154 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: to get to change the law to allow local governance 155 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: more flexibility in how they invest their money to create 156 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: more revenue to offset because there's all sorts of restrictions 157 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: right now on your local governments on how they invest 158 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: their money that they're not able to get the returns 159 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: they should be getting from their savings accounts because of 160 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: restrictions put on them by the General Assembly. And so 161 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: Daniel Elliott, the state Treasurer, came out during the session 162 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: and said, hey, this is kind of ridiculous. We should 163 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: let the local governments have the flexibility we at the 164 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: state have and get a better rate of return. And 165 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: then it came out that Travis Holdman, is a consultant 166 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: for the banking industry who makes big money off the 167 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: banking industry, put the kaibosh on that because it was 168 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: going to affect his banking buddies, who basically have a 169 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: currently ye or did have sort of a monopoly on 170 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: how this whole thing works and it benefits them. So 171 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: I just want to preface remind everybody who we're dealing 172 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: with here and who our elected officials are. Would you 173 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: like to read his quote when the Lieutenant governor said, Hey, 174 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: probably maybe we should give a moratorium on the sales tax. 175 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, in regards to the moratorium on Indiana seven percent 176 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: sales tax for utility services. Senator Travis Holdman said, I 177 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: just dismissed the discussion. To be honest with you, it's 178 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: just not doable. I just dismiss it. Me no want 179 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: to hear. 180 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: Now. If it were something affect in his banking buddies 181 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: or his banking clients, Oh, he'd be all over. He'd 182 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: move heaven and earth to take care of that. But 183 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: if it comes, you've been able to for to keep 184 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: your lights on. I just dismissed the discussion, to be 185 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: honest with you. 186 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 2: He said it would be a temporary band aid on 187 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: this situation. Do you remember back in two thousand when 188 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: Governor O'Bannon suspended the gas tax during a price hike. 189 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: Well, I was in high school. Case, I gotta be 190 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: honest with you. I wasn't paying attention to my state 191 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: government nearly the way I am. However, a history book 192 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: has told. 193 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: You you didn't come out of the cradle like this. 194 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: Well, I came out of the cradle hating government and taxes. 195 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: But when I was sixteen, I was not capable of 196 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: processing how it all worked and went together. But I 197 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: do know history books have told me that indeed the 198 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: gas tax was suspended in the year two thousand. 199 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's talk about some of these increases. Average 200 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: monthly bills across the Great State of Indiana. They have 201 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: risen significantly, Duke Energy of twenty percent, AES Indiana twelve percent, 202 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: Indiana Michigan Power three percent, Centerpoint Energy twenty and Nipscoe 203 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: twenty seven percent. 204 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, our friends at the Indiana Capitol Chronicle, 205 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: they have a big piece on all of this. If 206 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: you'd like to read specifically for yourself how much Travis 207 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: Holdman and Jeff Thompson actually hate you. 208 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: So the Lieutenant Governor, Micah Beckwath said that he's heard 209 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: some strong public demand for relief, and he's building a 210 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: legislative coalition and he's using his big platform to increase 211 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: public pressure. Hey, I say go for it. Use it 212 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: for something good, right, Okay, great, yea, Let's see if 213 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: he can get something done. 214 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: This was the same guy when I was begging him 215 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: to connect me with the senators during the property text. 216 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: He's like, we got it under control, man, They're just 217 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: worried about coming on your show because it might offend 218 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: some people. Because I think he used the term coalition 219 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: then too, that we were he was building then. So 220 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: with the coalition for the utility bill of sales tax 221 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: repeal goes better than the coalition did for the for 222 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: the property tax bill. 223 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 2: It is Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three WIBC. 224 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: Wait for it, Wait for it, Wait for it, wait 225 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: for it. There you go. Hey, when you were in 226 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: a music disc jockey, did they ever tell you, like 227 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: as a program director, to cut that those low intros off? 228 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? Sometimes, yeah, yeah. 229 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, That's what I'm saying, because the average person can't 230 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: hear it and they think there's dead air. You do that. Yeah, 231 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: see I covered that though, saying wait for it. People like, 232 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: wait for what? Wait for what? It's Kealyn Casey show. 233 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm Rob Casey's here all right. So large Marge is 234 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: making a proposal. Marjorie Taylor Green. 235 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: Yes, she is again advocating for a national divorce between 236 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: red and blue state. 237 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: Okay, So Marjorie Taylor Green is an outspoken, flamboyant, shall 238 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: we say, CrossFit obsessed US rep from the state of Georgia, 239 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: right is She's still into the crossfitch that was her 240 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: big thing for a while. 241 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: Anyway, So she put out a video. 242 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're always putting out videos. Okay, So my question 243 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: on this is, and I feel like maybe I'm just 244 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: I shouldn't even be taking the bait. I shouldn't even 245 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: be following up with this. But you know, we're talk radio, right, 246 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: that's what we do. We have interesting discussions. What does 247 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: a national divorce even mean? How are you theoretic? What 248 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: are we going to divide the United States of America 249 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: to two countries? How does that work? Yeah? 250 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: Her proposal includes separation by red and blue states and 251 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: shrinking the federal government. And now that doesn't sound so bad. 252 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: Shrinking the federal government. She said that there's nothing left 253 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: to talk about with the left. They hate us, and 254 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: polling says that a national divorce idea is actually somewhat popular. Okay, 255 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: but but how do you execute it? Well? 256 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: Right, this is my point. Are you just going to 257 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: simply say, then California can be its own country. 258 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,479 Speaker 2: California's blue, and because York is blue. 259 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: It's really easy to say that. But then you factor 260 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: in the things that come into the state of California 261 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: that are then disseminated to the entire rest of the nation, 262 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: the harbors, et cetera. That doesn't from a national defense perspective, 263 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: you desperately need the state of California. 264 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: I wonder if she means this in regards to federal 265 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: funding from Congress based on whoever has the majority in office, 266 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: whoever has the purse strings gets to determine that. Yeah, 267 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: all the money's going to go to the red states. Sorry, 268 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: Blue states. You didn't win this time, so. 269 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: You pay taxes but you get literally nothing in return. 270 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 271 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: No, this is the point. This is another asonine statement 272 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: that these people make because it gets clicks and it 273 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: gets likes, and it gets whatever, rather than look, we 274 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: are divided country, and you and I ran in this 275 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: conversation yesterday and we had it with our bosses. I 276 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,359 Speaker 1: don't feel like you can even have a rational conversation 277 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: because there's. 278 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: No one in the middle right. 279 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: And to me, the approach the middle on as it 280 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: relates to the Charlie Kirk assassination is, Hey, if you're 281 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: going to be gross and you're gonna post online bragging 282 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: about Charlie Kirk's death, fair game that you can get canceled, 283 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: fair game, you can get fired, fair game, your employer 284 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: can get can get contacted. And then there are ramifications 285 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: for that. I don't have any sympathy for you with that. 286 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: But also being a person in the middle, I say 287 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: that it's equally as gross if these politicians are going 288 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: to use Charlie Kirk's death for their political benefit. See 289 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: Jim Banks using Charlie Kirk's death as some rallying cry 290 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: to put another Jefferson Shreeven, Jennifer Ruth Green type person 291 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: in the United States Congress. To me, that's being a 292 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: reasonable person in the middle to say the left side 293 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: totally gross. If you're going to brag or cheer or 294 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: whatever about some guy's death, you deserve to be canceled. 295 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: Hope you do. And also I can say that I'm 296 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: calling out the right when they're trying to the people 297 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: on the right who are trying to use Charlie Kirk's 298 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: death for their own political agenda. 299 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that. But I also want to add 300 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: the point though that Charlie Kirk was in favor of 301 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: redistrict Day, so it's not like he's using his name 302 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: for something completely irrelevant that Charlie Kirk wasn't speaking out on. 303 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but Jim Banks is using Charlie Kirk's death to 304 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: try to get people who wouldn't do it in Charlie 305 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: Kirk's life to do something when he says they killed 306 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: everybody knows exactly what Jim Banks is trying to do 307 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: when he says they killed Charlie Kirk, as though some 308 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: way putting Jefferson another Jefferson Shreve and Jennifer Ruth Green 309 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: type person, or Jefferson Shreve and Aaron Houchen type person 310 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: in the Congress is somehow going to get us equal 311 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: for Charlie Kirk being tragically murdered like that is equally 312 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: as disgusting in my mind. Yet you can't be the 313 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: person logical anymore. And my point at all this is 314 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: there's tons of liberal people out there who are not 315 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: violent whatsoever. Correct the overwhelming majority of our country. We're 316 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: a country of more than three hundred and thirty million people. 317 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: These acts, while they're becoming more common, are very rare 318 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: when you actually factor in or a country of three 319 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty plus million people. It's why they're so shocking, 320 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: because we are a by and large relatively peaceful country. 321 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: Now. 322 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: Of course, in these major metropolitan cities is violence out 323 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: of control, yes, but most of that is black on 324 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: black violence. That's not conservative activists getting gunned down. Should 325 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: it be dealt with absolutely? Is Indianapolis failing? Absolutely? Is 326 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: Joe Oxset failing? Absolutely? But we try to paint everybody 327 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: with this broad brush, and what that does when you 328 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: hear sayings like they killed Charlie Kirk, Well, okay, but 329 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: now you're alienating the very people you're going to need 330 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: in order to solve the problem and try to try 331 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: to unite the country for what, on an individual by 332 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: individual basis, is a very small issue, which is people 333 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: committing acts of political violence relative to a country of 334 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty million plus people. 335 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: Speaking of those acts of violence, the suspect and the 336 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: killing of Charlie Kirk appeared to confess in a private 337 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: discord chat before he turned himself in. He had posted, 338 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: Hey guys, I have bad news for you all. It 339 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this. 340 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: Now again this but this dates back to really the 341 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: foundation of the country. But let's just start at the 342 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: days of Abraham Lincoln. How many times in our nation's 343 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: history have we seen people behave in a completely unacceptable, 344 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: abhorrent fashion in the name of some bizarre political belief 345 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: system like dating all the way back to John Wilkes 346 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: Booth in the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. Hey, buddy, war's over. 347 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: Doesn't matter what you do now, North One deal with it, right. 348 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: But in some warped bizarro mind, he was going to 349 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: be some beloved hero for taking out Abraham Lincoln, and 350 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: the country was like, no, we will kind of want 351 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: to come back together, or many people in the country anyway. 352 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: So my point on all of this is that when 353 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: you see someone like Marjorie Taylor Green saying, oh, national divorce, No, 354 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: there's always has been and there always are going to 355 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: be different ideologies, different ideological belief systems. And I encourage people, 356 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: as long as you don't bring your politics with you, 357 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: to get out of those leftist states, to get out 358 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: of places like Illinois, get out of California. Problem is 359 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: they bring the ideologies with them, they bring the stuff 360 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: that they were fleeing with them. I don't want any 361 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: part of that. But the point is we're gonna have 362 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: democrat states, we're gonna have republican states, and the answer 363 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: is not to just carve up the United States of America, 364 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: which isn't gonna happen anyway from a pure logistical perspective. 365 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: No, But I believe she's talking more about carving it 366 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: up with federal funding. 367 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: But that's also equally ridiculous. All of these people who 368 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: pay federal taxes deserve some level of federal service. I mean, 369 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: what do you like. Okay, New Mexico was a blue 370 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: state this time, right, Are we going to just concede 371 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: New Mexico and the southern border that it. 372 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: Can punish everybody there, even if they're peaceful, loving people. 373 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: Well, you're not gonna give that up for these people 374 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: are My point is they are ridiculous when they say 375 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: stuff like this. It's not a viable solution, it's not 376 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: a viable statement. It's not a viable alternative, and we 377 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: should just dismiss it out of hand. But they say 378 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: it for the clicks. They say it for the likes, 379 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: they say it for the attention. 380 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: You're listening to Kendall and Casey. It is ninety three WIBC. 381 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: Great, the Pope agrees with us. 382 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he is sounding the alarm, the alarm over the 383 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: growing wealth inequality between CEOs and their workers. 384 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: Okay, so obviously it's a short sample size. But I 385 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: will say thus far, this pope seems to be very 386 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: aware of how the previous pope's plural took stances on 387 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: things that alienated swaths of the church from a political perspective, 388 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: and he seems to be again very short sample size, 389 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: but he seems to be more aware of saying and 390 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: talking about things that I think the public at large 391 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: can get their can connect with, yes, connect with thank you. 392 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: That's the perfect thing to say. So, so Leo, what 393 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: is he? Leo the fourteenth? Correct? That is his now 394 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: chosen pope name. He was doing Yahoo has the article, 395 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: but he was doing an interview with Catholic Crux. Crux, Yeah, 396 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: Catholic News. I now you are the residential Catholic expert 397 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: of the Kindle and Casey show. Are they some sort 398 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: of big deal in the Catholic Do you have a 399 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: subscription to Krux? No magazine? 400 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 2: All right, I do not. 401 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: Well anyway, he was talking about Elon Musk specifically and 402 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: the idea that within year's time, Year's plural but who 403 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: knows Elon Musk could become the world's first trillionaire. 404 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was specifically calling out Elon Musk, and he 405 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: cited his rejected one trillion dollar Tesla pay package as 406 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: a symbolism of excessive wealth concentration. He warned that if 407 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: wealth is the only thing valued, the world is in 408 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 2: big trouble. 409 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: And he also touched on what we have talked about 410 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: on this program, which I am a capitalist. I believe 411 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: in the ability by legal means. You know, I'm not 412 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: a person who is ever. I mean, I'm a complete minimalist, 413 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: so other people having stuff has never bothered me, and 414 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: I've never believed I'm entitled to anybody's stuff. So I 415 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: say this as a complete capitalist, that when the wealth 416 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,719 Speaker 1: divide reaches a certain level in countries, if you look 417 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 1: at the history of countries throughout the through throughout the world, 418 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: throughout the history of the world, countries, when the middle 419 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: when they're the wealth divide, reaches a certain level and 420 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: the wealth divide comes at the expense of a shrinking 421 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: middle class, both in such eyes and power, you start 422 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: to see oftentimes bad things happen in those countries. Both 423 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: bad in the sense of the status of the country, 424 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: but also in terms of how people handle and deal 425 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: with that in the countries. And I think that's what 426 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: he was speaking to when he said, look and this 427 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: is right. Hey, sixty years ago, CEOs were making four 428 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: to six times what the workers were receiving. Now it's 429 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: six hundred plus times in many cases. And that when 430 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 1: you see the tippy top continue to elevate while the 431 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: middle class continues to shrink, both in power and in size. 432 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 1: You are not setting up countries that are sustainable, and 433 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: you're not setting up countries that are going to be 434 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: able to avoid things like revolutions. It just to look 435 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: at the human history. That's just how it operates. 436 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: So Elon Musk he recently purchased one billion dollars in 437 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: Tesla stock. It was his largest buy ever. But the 438 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: Pope Leo went on and he was using data from 439 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: the Institute for Policy Studies. He said, the average CEO 440 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: pay among low wage SMP five hundred firms is seventeen 441 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 2: point two million dollars, whereas the median worker pay is 442 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 2: just thirty five thousand dollars. So the CEO to worker 443 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 2: pay ratio is six hundred and thirty two to one. 444 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the question becomes, how do we how 445 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: do we get back to an economy that is elevating 446 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 1: people in the middle class. How do we return the 447 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: structure of our economics to where middle class people feel 448 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: hope in their journey to work each day, Because that 449 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: is the sense I get from people in our economy, 450 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: is a sense of hopelessness that nomater are what I do, 451 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: even though I'm trying to do things the right way. 452 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: Somebody made a great point about this yesterday. I saw 453 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: on Facebook that for the people who are calling for 454 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: the cancelation of the Charlie Kirk people like like to 455 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: be fired or whatever. That's okay, but remember you're doing 456 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: it with people who already are inclined to believe in 457 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: and have sympathy to a welfare state. So what you're 458 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: doing by firing or dismissing those people is you're now 459 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: adding them into the roles. And I saw that I 460 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: thought that's actually a pretty interesting way to look at it. Look, 461 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: you can lament these people all you want, and you 462 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: can call for their firing, and you can badger their bosses, 463 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: and you can do all of that, and as I've 464 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: said earlier, I don't have any sympathy for the people 465 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: who are getting that done to them, because you made 466 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: the decision to put that out on social media. Where 467 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: everybody can can consume it. You wanted to be seen, 468 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: you got seen, you know, FAFO, right, m h, frick around, find. 469 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: Out find out. 470 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. The but the ramification of that is when these 471 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: people get fired. It's not like in many cases you're 472 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: dealing with people that are like, hey, I made a 473 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: horrible mistake. I got to really learn from my lesson here, 474 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: get right back on the wagon and start applying for jobs. 475 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: You're looking at people that'll probably be wards of the 476 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: state for a period of time. Right. So point of 477 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: all this is we do not have an economic climate 478 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: right now, or an economic structure in this country that 479 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: is giving most people a sense of hope in terms 480 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: of my hard work is going to benefit me and 481 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: is going to pay off. And until you refigure out 482 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: a way to create that, you're just going to see 483 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: people slip further into despair. You're going to see a 484 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: further sense of hopelessness. And eventually there becomes tipping points 485 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: in countries like that, especially when you see the tippy 486 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: top people. We're not all sinking together. Many people are 487 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: rising and rising like never before, but you don't have 488 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: any path to that. 489 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think the interesting part about this is you've 490 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 2: heard over the years, well, learn new skills, to keep 491 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 2: updata with your skills so that you can advance. So, 492 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 2: if I consider my current place in the past twenty 493 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: five years, have I advanced my skills? Absolutely? Have I 494 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: learned new things in this industry? Yes? Do I make 495 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 2: more than I ever have before in my career? No? No, 496 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: I don't. 497 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: In fact, my wife and I had this conversation. We 498 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: have it on the regular because she's very young in 499 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: her career. I mean she's in her mid twenties and 500 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: this is really her I mean, she worked here as 501 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: an intern. She was in it, and I mean it 502 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: was a paying job, right, It's not like it used 503 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: to be where you're a shoe cobbler apprentice or whatever. 504 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: But then she went to work for the State of 505 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: Indiana for a period of years. She was completely miserable 506 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: because she saw how ineffective and inefficient it was, and 507 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: so she ended up going to a major corporation. She 508 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: works for a very very large, successful corporation in cybersecurity. 509 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: And but my point is this is her first corporate 510 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: for a into corporate American, so she's seeing things all 511 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: the time that it's like that meme of the guy 512 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: with the news around his neck. Oh first time, you know, right, 513 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: And so she will express these things to me, and 514 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: I will tell her, well, look, this is what you're 515 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: experiencing is not different, it's not new. It is to you, 516 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: right because you've never been through it before. But to 517 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: us grizzled veterans over here, welcome to the party, pal. 518 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: And part of that is that, you know, she has 519 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: a skill set that is in demand. She has a 520 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: skill set that is the future of this country. People 521 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: like her are the people that will survive the AI 522 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: holocausts that we're about to all, you know, endure from 523 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: a you know, white collar worker perspective, because she knows 524 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 1: how to deal in that world. And I've tried to 525 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: relay to her that you need to like people like us. 526 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: It's all over for us. When it's all over here, 527 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna go work at Wendy's right, Arby's or whatever. 528 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: You know, you are in a position where you still 529 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: have optimism of assent in terms of your career path, 530 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: but a lot of people do not have that same optimism. 531 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: As many issues or experiences as you may struggle with 532 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,239 Speaker 1: in corporate America, you are in demand. If for some 533 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: reason they were to let you go from your job here, 534 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: there would be ten people who would try to gobble 535 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: you up because of the skill set you have. Us 536 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: don't remember those guys they used to be on the radio. 537 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: I don't. 538 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: So there's been, there have been many billionaire Do you 539 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: remember the Giving Pledge? The givings? 540 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: Like the Giving Tree, that's similar. That's me nine to 541 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: noon every day. Come boy, take off my apples an 542 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: the way. 543 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: I quoted that to my brother when I recently saw him, 544 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: I said, like the Giving Tree, he had no idea 545 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: what I was talking about. Wait wait, wait, wait wait 546 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: what does shel Silverstein book? Yeah? 547 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: I had to pull it up on the internet. Your 548 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: brother didn't know, No, he didn't know what. Your mother 549 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: didn't read that to you as kids. 550 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: Apparently not apparently, no, no kidding. Yeah. But the Giving Pledge. 551 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: The Giving Pledge was this promise that a lot of 552 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: millionaires got behind. It was launched by Warren Buffett and 553 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: also Bill and Melinda Gates, and they said that they 554 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: would give away fifty percent of their wealth. Right. So, 555 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: out of the two hundred and fifty six people who 556 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: signed that Giving Pledge, only nine have fulfilled their commitment. 557 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 2: It's like those guys, I'll do this, sure, I'll get 558 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: to it. 559 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: It's like these guys who sign the no new tax 560 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: pledge thing. 561 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: And then right laws for new taxes. About eighty percent 562 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: of the people who have fulfilled their pledge to the 563 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: giving Pledge went into private foundations instead of charitable causes. 564 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: Huh uh huh, Pope Leo. By the way, he does 565 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: earn a salary. Any idea why he gets paid? 566 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: Oh? Man, No, this doesn't include the bennies or anything. Right, 567 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: this is just a straight cake. 568 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: I don't believe so, and I do believe that, like 569 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: his living quarters, that's part of the deal. 570 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: You know, I will say one hundred thousand dollars. 571 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: A little higher. Kevin, you have a guess. 572 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: Well, now you've already rigged it for him. All he's 573 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: gotta do is one hundred thousand and one dollars true. 574 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna go with one hundred and two 575 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Yeah, you're both you're both wrong. Poplio earns 576 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: an estimated four hundred thousand dollars a year self similar 577 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: to you, It was. 578 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: A vowel poverty. What are you Catholics. 579 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: Doing similar to US presidents and also top university chancellors. 580 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: I thought, what happened to the vowel? Oh? Oh, so 581 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: this guy's gonna lecture me, lecture anybody about making money. 582 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: It's not close to a trillion dollars like oh. 583 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: Eight, hurry ate wondering where his next meal is coming from. 584 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: It is Kennell and Casey. It's ninety three WYBC. 585 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: Okay, I have a very important question for you to 586 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: wrap up our program. Okay, it's Kenney Casey, John Rob, 587 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: that's Casey. What are we even do in here? Wait? 588 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: Can you be more specific? 589 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: Well? Do you be like here in the studio, so 590 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: here on the radio, here in Indiana as humans on earth? Like, well, 591 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: what are you talking about? 592 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: So once a year I do a little exercise with myself. 593 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: It takes me several weeks to get through it. But 594 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: I go back and I watch every episode of the 595 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: television show The Shield. Okay, so, a phenomenal cop drama 596 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: that was on FX in the two thousands there about 597 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: these The show is about their corrupt yet phenomenal cops 598 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and they are great at catching the 599 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: bad guys, yet they are awful guys themselves. Yeah, And 600 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: there's this constant struggle between being bad themselves and dealing 601 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: with the worst of the worst in the hypocrisy in 602 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: which how they judge and arrest these people, right. And 603 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: towards the end of the show, one of the cops 604 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: is talking to one of the other guys about the 605 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: main guy that Michael Chicklis played, Vic Mackey, who's the 606 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: main character, and two of his sort of lieutenant guys 607 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: are having this conversation about Vic's quest to catch this 608 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: this Mexican mobster and expose him, and they're talking about 609 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: do we deal with this? Is the risk horse worth 610 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: the reward? And the one guy says to the other 611 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: guy he and it's Walton Goggins, who actually has become 612 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: a very famous actor. He says to his other partner, 613 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: he goes, what difference does it make? Vic thinks he's 614 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: gonna somehow save the world by taking this guy down. 615 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: We all know it's just going to be another scumbag 616 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: to take his place that we'll have to deal with. 617 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: So why are we risking this? And I'm watching this 618 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: yesterday and I was like, that's us, except without the 619 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: crime and corruption, Right, you know that that. I mean 620 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: that we are like like I feel like I am VIC, 621 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: like am I just on some meaningless quest No matter 622 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: how many of these people we expose or how many 623 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: of them we show the world that there's just gonna 624 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: be some other schemer, scammer or whatever take the place 625 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: that we're never actually gonna fix the thing. 626 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: I think what happens is we tend to overcorrect. That's 627 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 2: what happens in the country because you're what are we 628 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 2: even doing here? You like to rail on Republicans. Do 629 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 2: you notice that you do that? 630 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: Well, somebody sent us on Twitter. It's like, but I 631 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: feel like we hate all these people? He said, Rob 632 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: Kendall should move over to NBC or The View. I'm 633 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: sure you would have a lot of good listeners there. 634 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: Pick a side, Kendall. If the listeners want to hear 635 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: Republican bashing, all they have to do is turn on 636 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: CNN and guess what. 637 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: Yah. 638 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 1: So we're not supposed to point out you're so wed, decides, 639 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: even though you've been screwed by one side over and 640 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: over and over again, you're so wed to that that 641 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: us telling you, I mean, what will we even talk 642 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: about as it relates to the state government. Here, there 643 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: are no Democrats in charge of anything. What are we 644 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: supposed to rip on them about? Most of these suburbs 645 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: are totally controlled by Republicans. What are we supposed to 646 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: talk about? 647 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: Well, that's true. I think a lot of people when 648 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 2: they think about politics, they frame it on a national level. 649 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: If you were to rewind where you were two years 650 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 2: ago with Biden in the office, you were saying how 651 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 2: awful he was and open borders and everything that was 652 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: going on with the ideology, and you couldn't wait to 653 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 2: make a change and get somebody else in office. Maybe 654 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 2: at the time you were hoping it was DeSantis turned 655 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 2: out to be Trump, but at least you knew on 656 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 2: a social level things were going to head more to 657 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 2: the conservative direction. Now, when you look at a state level, 658 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 2: they've had the super majority for a while. 659 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: Right, But do we check our ability to hold people count? 660 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: But look, yet, two choices for president. Obviously the first 661 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 1: choice was totally unacceptable in Kamala. So I guess we'll 662 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: take a flyer that Trump can get it together this time, 663 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: and so areas where he's done well, like the border, 664 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: we give him credit for that. But am I supposed 665 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: to not am I supposed to be just a total 666 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: team player to the sense where I see things that 667 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: are not good for the country that I'm not supposed 668 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: to call those call those out. So I don't know. 669 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: I was thinking that yesterday was like, have I just 670 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: become that character where I'm such an idealist? It ain't 671 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: gonna make no difference because the next sleeves bag in 672 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: there is gonna be just as bad or worse than 673 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: the one line trying to flush out. Yeah, possibly uplifting 674 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: weight in the show Casey, We'll see you tomorrow. 675 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 2: Thanks Robby, thank you Caleb and Kevin, and thank you 676 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 2: for listening. We'll catch you back here tomorrow. It's Kennely 677 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 2: Casey on ninety three WIBC.