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Speaker 1: Grand rising, family, and thanks for starting a week with us.

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Speaker 1: A later, former FBI agent doctor Tyrol and Powers will

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Speaker 1: return to our classroom. Doctor Powells will analyze the administration's

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Speaker 1: handling of the attacks on the alleged drug boats in

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Speaker 1: from doctor Powell's political blog of Brandon is standing by

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Speaker 1: to get us started. But first let's get Kevin to

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Speaker 1: open these classroom doors and grand rising, Kevin, hey, now, grand.

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Speaker 2: Rising, indeed, con Nelson, Man, I realized that it's the

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Speaker 2: eighth of December, Monday, and you know how Mondays can

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Speaker 2: go zero really zero Commanders really?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, oh yes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many people go through that, but

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Speaker 2: I'm having that kind of commander's withdrawal today. Man. They

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Speaker 2: did nothing for the whole time, the whole game except.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, put a zero on the board. That yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: if for folks who don't follow around the country, Kevin sumpboy,

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Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders played in Minnesota Vikings in Minnesota. They

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Speaker 1: lost thirty one to zero. Thirty one. ZIP couldn't get

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Speaker 2: No say it louder thirty one, Zip thirty one, nothing

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Speaker 2: thirty one, goose egg thirty one. They could have done

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Speaker 1: Well. The good thing, Kevin, they play the Giants next week,

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Speaker 1: so they should get better real quickly. Giantson is really

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Speaker 2: But better is a point of view. Dan Quinn's said

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Speaker 2: he took Jayde and Daniels out and maybe taking him

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Speaker 2: then he should have stayed in for the team. But

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Speaker 2: he took him out because the team was looking bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying. It's like mixed.

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Speaker 1: He didn't want to risk, you know, damaging is already

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Speaker 2: That was before halftime. Though, man it you know the guy, we're.

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Speaker 1: Still getting your butt keeck. It's still not worth it

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Speaker 1: damaging your franchise player. You know, he's still got some

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because he's in shock from letting him play

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Speaker 2: too long in that other game. You see. But each

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Speaker 1: Well, before we go, we got we had to look

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Speaker 2: More go Ravens. Okay, I guess there are a couple

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Speaker 2: We can name their name. But now, in an attempt

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Speaker 2: Well. Kelsey Grammar, another one of my favorite comedians, Kelsey Grammar,

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Speaker 1: And he's a hard core he's a really hardcore Trumpster.

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Speaker 1: Nah, they that negates everything. You can't know, he could listen,

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, didn't watch it. Hey, I can't

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Speaker 2: No, you're really passionate about that.

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Speaker 1: Of course, when it comes to that, and that goes

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Speaker 2: All right, Okay, before we name the whole world here,

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Speaker 2: look finally on this whole thing here, Donald Trump said

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Speaker 2: So uh, let's move on. Let's look at some of

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Speaker 2: the things that are happening around the world. Now, before

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Speaker 2: another attempt.

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Speaker 1: Another attempt? Yeah. Sometimes something we don't you know, some

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Speaker 2: No response is a response, Carl. Then Trump partons the

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Speaker 2: The gangster Disciples are allegedly from the nineties, a group

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Speaker 1: Before we go? Did we talk about the National Parks?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just finished talking about the parks and you

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Speaker 2: and what is it marginalized?

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Speaker 1: And right now somebody was sending me some stuff about Momea.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't really paying attention. I apologized twelve after the

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I said, well that's the way it is this Monday

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Speaker 2: But anyway, have a great day, Carl's let's pick up

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Speaker 2: the pace here and bring it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's large for me. It's gonna take place tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: So those folks wanted us to tell the family that

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Speaker 1: that's that's it was just, you know, I was trying

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Speaker 1: to do two things at once. Twelve half the top there.

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Speaker 1: But thank you, Kevin, Let's bring it now, Brandon, that

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Speaker 1: political block of Brandon Brandon grand Rising, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Carl Man. You guys took an entire walk

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Speaker 4: the setid and filthy and shameful course that is try cronyism,

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Speaker 4: is being reflected by this person this walked out. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it is interesting. Let's start with the Kennedy Center. I

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Speaker 4: one of the uh, one of the gems of reflection

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Speaker 4: and it's and it's sponsored by the way heavily by

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Speaker 4: to honor, and Kelsey grad you're right, Kelsey Grammars. While

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Speaker 1: don't know the fact that he was born in the

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Speaker 1: Caribbeans on a black island. I don't know a fact

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Speaker 1: that has a problem, but he does have a problem

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Speaker 1: with black people. So that's that's what's my reaction, because

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Speaker 1: he's taking out on all of us some black dude,

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Speaker 1: you know, assaulted or I think killed actually his sister

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Speaker 1: back in the day, and he's he's never forgets, and

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Speaker 1: he takes it out on all of us. Whether you're Haitian,

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Speaker 1: or you're from Chicago, or you're from Paris or you're

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Speaker 1: from Brazil, you got a black skin, all of us.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's my reaction. That's from the from people

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Speaker 1: in the Hollywood people, black people who had to work

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Speaker 1: with him, But anyway, it.

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Speaker 4: Is it is remarkable to see what has happened, and

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Speaker 4: what we now, what we sit here, and what what

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Speaker 4: what comes the filth that comes out of Maga and

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Speaker 4: the cult, the maggots, and even that they are still

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Speaker 4: black maggots trying to hang on to you know, to

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Speaker 4: sit here. And some of them are grifters, some of

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Speaker 4: them are trying to just you know, rage bait people

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Speaker 4: so that they can get noticed and so on and

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Speaker 4: so forth. But the fact of the matter is is that

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Speaker 4: it should be absolutely crystal clear what's wanted, what's happening,

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Speaker 4: what's going on, and what's exhibiting. Trump went into a

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Speaker 4: tirade and talked about the Somali and the country Somalia

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Speaker 4: in a way that was disgusting. And yet I believe

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Speaker 4: with I can't remember which news agency was, I believe

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Speaker 4: with ABC they had on one of the brothers. I

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Speaker 4: believe he was some dearborn one of Somali brothers. He's

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Speaker 4: an immigrant, but he's you know, he's been here for

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Speaker 4: a great many decades, and you know, asked him what

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Speaker 4: he thought about it, and he went on to kind

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Speaker 4: of move around it and ended the thing with, you know,

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Speaker 4: I've been a Republican for twenty five years and I'm

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Speaker 4: going to stay Republican. I'm not necessarily gonna be maga.

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Speaker 4: And just this, it's just remarkable. Trump called them garbage.

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Speaker 4: He called their country garbage. You when you say things

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Speaker 4: like that in a country, it may it because he

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Speaker 4: says so much filth. It may seem like it's just

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Speaker 4: sliding off of people's back, But at the core of it,

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Speaker 4: the base of the karl, what it does is it

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Speaker 4: begins the march of dehumanization. How long they're calling a

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Speaker 4: people garbage do you think it takes to begin the

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Speaker 4: process of abusing them, taking away what you can from them,

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Speaker 4: and reducing what they are to second third class citizens

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Speaker 4: in the country, and later on abusing them to the

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Speaker 4: point of where you get to, you know what we've

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Speaker 4: seen that's still possible in this world, genocide.

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Speaker 1: Right, And let me just jump in and say this

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Speaker 1: is twenty seven away from the top of that's that's

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Speaker 1: the whole thing with the illegal so called illegal immigrants.

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Speaker 1: It calls them illegal aliens, dehumanizing them because they're not humans.

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Speaker 1: They're aliens. So whatever you see, if I does these folks,

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Speaker 1: it's okay because they're not like you. They're alien. So

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Speaker 1: and if you notice, the members of administration used that term,

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Speaker 1: but if you notice most of the people in the

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Speaker 1: news era don't use it, but they don't explain why

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Speaker 1: they just don't use it, Right, I haven't, but I'll

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Speaker 1: let you pick it up from there.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean it is it is something that we've

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Speaker 4: been talking about ad nauseum uh uh since I mean

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Speaker 4: for about I think, Carl, for as long as you've

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Speaker 4: had me on for even when we were at KJLH

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Speaker 4: Radio in Los Angeles, we often had discussions about it

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Speaker 4: because we were dealing with a police force that, on

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Speaker 4: one thing, was presenting themselves as uh, you know this

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Speaker 4: this upstanding force at Keith Law and Order in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 4: Another and another you know, in the shadows or on

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Speaker 4: the every day outside of the the views of the cameras,

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Speaker 4: they were they had this chokehold. They were killing black folks.

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Speaker 4: No one was going to uh uh, no one was

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Speaker 4: answering for it. And then of course when the Rodney

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Speaker 4: King tape came out, it was a video tape. It

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Speaker 4: showed what they put that cat in a in a

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Speaker 4: in a police corral after he had been stopped for speeding,

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Speaker 4: and they they just assaulted. They just beat him down,

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Speaker 4: and that happened every day. The dehumanization begins with bounce

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Speaker 4: upon the people who can't fight back.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me see you again. I remind you brand

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Speaker 1: I remember the l a police chief dal Gates on

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Speaker 1: the chokehold. He says something about next to build different

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Speaker 1: our next family. It's on by all the black person

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Speaker 1: listens to me. Now, Donald Trump says, not Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: Freudian slip here dal Gates, who is the police chief

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Speaker 1: and the times the police chief. They have to outlaw

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Speaker 1: the chokehold because that's what they didn't use it on

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Speaker 1: anybody else, just us, you know, to apprehend us. And

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Speaker 1: dal Gates was saying that our chokes black people, as

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Speaker 1: every single one of us who's listening to us now

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the world, A build differently, so you can

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Speaker 1: choke brothers and to death because they we have the

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Speaker 1: presentencyto it, to to tolerate more than anybody else. So

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Speaker 1: go ahead and use a choke hold. See those kind

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Speaker 1: of things that these signals that they were sending that

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Speaker 1: we had to show our people. You got to understand

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Speaker 1: how these you know, these signals that the sending out

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Speaker 1: to their people, how to handle us finish well.

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Speaker 4: You think that you know the young brothers and says

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Speaker 4: to think that George Floyd is is new. What happened

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Speaker 4: with George Floyd was that he was the most egregious

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Speaker 4: version of of of dehumanizing us and this junk science

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Speaker 4: that we need to be having. You know, we have

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Speaker 4: a well earned skepticism of the systems in the United

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Speaker 4: States of America, and medical field being one of them,

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Speaker 4: and because of the white supremacy that has leached its

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Speaker 4: weight in and through. I'm not against I'm you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm very I'm an opponent of science and the

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Speaker 4: scientific method. I'm not going to sit here and tell

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Speaker 4: people uh to uh follow advice that that doesn't that

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Speaker 4: doesn't follow or doesn't have scientific evidence. As a matter

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Speaker 4: of fact, you know, some of your your listeners would

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Speaker 4: probably call me, you know, one of those cats because

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Speaker 4: I talk about the holistic people. I'm not a fan

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Speaker 4: of doctor Sabe. The name's not he can changed his

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Speaker 4: name to doctor. He wasn't a doctor of anything. However,

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Speaker 4: black folks, you know, are very real about their their

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Speaker 4: their experience. One of the things that they said, just

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Speaker 4: like you said, the black people are stronger in the

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Speaker 4: neck or whatever they can, they can handle that. They

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Speaker 4: also said things this is and black women will tell

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Speaker 4: you this. It still happens today that the black woman

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Speaker 4: can handle pain more than the white woman. The black

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Speaker 4: woman has or their pain receptors aren't as evolved. It's

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Speaker 4: it's absolutely ridigious, to the point where Serena Williams had

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Speaker 4: to tell this story about almost dying because she has

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Speaker 4: a blood cloth condition.

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Speaker 1: Right right there, Brandon, because we gotta check the news,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you tell Serena rhythm sory because that is true,

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Speaker 1: and that primeates a lot into the hospitals when sisters

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Speaker 1: are having babies and they're asking for that shot. And

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Speaker 1: they said, because they think the Sistans have their threshold

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Speaker 1: of pain is much higher than white or any other race.

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Speaker 1: But I'll let you tell the Serena Williams to when

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Speaker 1: we get back twenty three minutes away from the top.

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Speaker 1: They have families. I guess this political blog of Brandon,

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Speaker 1: and you want to reach him, hit us up at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy

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Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls after the news.

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Speaker 1: That's next and Grand Rising Family Thanks for waking up

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Speaker 1: with us on this Monday morning. Thanks for starting your

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Speaker 1: week with us. I guess this political blog of Brandon.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to Brandon, let me just remind you, comfortable, lady.

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Speaker 1: This morning, we'll speak with former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers.

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Speaker 1: He's going to take a look at the attacks on

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Speaker 1: the alleged drug boats in the e Venezuela and the

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Speaker 1: subsequent fallout. And later this week you and hear from

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Speaker 1: civil rights activists William Macasso, Rix brother Willia Rixy Martro,

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Speaker 1: doctor King, and John lewis Akwame Ray. Back in the day,

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Speaker 1: he's going to join us. Also a natural padic doctor

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Speaker 1: Handle Holistics. She's both. He's a natural band daughter and

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Speaker 1: a holistic doctor. Doctor a will be here. Also one

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Speaker 1: of Malcolm's daughters, actually his third daughter, doctor Alsha Shippias,

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Speaker 1: who's going to join us. And Professor Meyniuam Pinn from

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Speaker 1: Contracsta College at Northern California will also be here. So

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Speaker 1: if you're in Baltimore, make sure you keep you readly

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Speaker 1: locked in tight on ten ten WLB from the DMV

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Speaker 1: around fourteen fifteen w L and Brown before you go

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Speaker 1: back and tell us about the story about Serena Williams.

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Speaker 1: I got a tweet for one of our listeners out

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Speaker 1: in North Hollywood, out in the Oly neck of the

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Speaker 1: woods in LA area, said the Liam Neeson, What do

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Speaker 1: you say? Liam Neeson was an actor who was somebody

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Speaker 1: close to was raped by allegedly rape. Let me put

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Speaker 1: that in because the guy didn't put any alleged right

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Speaker 1: by a black person. So he was walking the streets

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Speaker 1: of LA looking to harm any black person he could find.

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Speaker 1: He says, he's the same as Kelsey Grammar, the latent racism,

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Speaker 1: So I did you finish? I'll throw that in there,

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Speaker 1: because folks, you can look up anything that we say,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you don't believe looking up for yourself.

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Speaker 1: So it's hard to cheer for folks like Kelsey Grammar

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Speaker 1: or the Mdson. But go ahead, brand and tells about

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Speaker 1: Serena Williams.

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Speaker 4: Well, if they have those type of feelings, imagine the

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Speaker 4: feelings of all the millions of black people that have

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Speaker 4: been traumatized where their mothers, fathers, of brothers and uncles

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Speaker 4: have been raped and unledged, beaten, locked away. I mean,

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Speaker 4: if if we're if we're going to be handing out

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Speaker 4: you know, heartfelt stories and ideas and concepts about looking

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Speaker 4: for accountability for for someone a transgression against you, you

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Speaker 4: were yours. I think the pile that that continues to

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Speaker 4: be added to against black people for just standing some

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Speaker 4: just being black outweighs. I'm not saying I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: that that that that one pain or another. I'm actually

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Speaker 4: just kind of bringing focus to the enormous ridiculousness of

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Speaker 4: people saying, you know, I hate all all of the

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Speaker 4: people because this thing happened.

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Speaker 1: Let me jump in, let me jump in. I hear

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Speaker 1: the road you're going. And doctor Wilson mentioned this. He says,

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Speaker 1: we have a propensity to forgive everybody. And she talked

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Speaker 1: about the shooting at the Months whatever, that church in

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Speaker 1: South Carolin and all of a sudden the guy went

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Speaker 1: in and got a hamburger or something, and people forgiven

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Speaker 1: and the shooting and people, our people are those folks

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Speaker 1: don't forgive you never hear that. On the other side,

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Speaker 1: it is it is.

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Speaker 4: I disagree with her in a sense that from a

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Speaker 4: position of power, it does look like an illness. But

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Speaker 4: if you look at our situation, it's a it's a

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Speaker 4: tactic of survival. We we don't always forgive what what

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Speaker 4: what's happening now and what has happened a few times

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Speaker 4: in the history of this the short history of this

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Speaker 4: country is the erasures, so that we would forget, but

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Speaker 4: we're not, you know, black. What what I tried to

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Speaker 4: and I said inelegantly early on, is that our culture

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Speaker 4: has grown out of this separation. We've we've made a

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Speaker 4: beautiful culture out of a great deal of trauma and pain.

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Speaker 4: But if you go to the continent where some of

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Speaker 4: us and you've got you've known this, You've you've dealt

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Speaker 4: with this yourself. You know, we over here, we romanticize

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Speaker 4: where black people should be when we get over there,

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Speaker 4: and then you meet real Africans in their own domain,

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Speaker 4: in their own country, some of them, uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: dealing with humanity, right, we can be just as cruel,

645
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 4: just as ridiculous, and just as remarkable as any other

646
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 4: people on the planet. You talk to some of the

647
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 4: black people who have who have shaken off the colonial

648
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: shackles of France. Now right now, that's actually going on

649
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 4: with a couple of countries. Are Alogen, You're gonna part

650
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 4: You're gonna bring on some experts to talk about it.

651
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Speaker 6: But they're they're removing them the the the money aspect,

652
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 6: the money shackles of France, because you have to ask

653
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Speaker 6: yourself out of.

654
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: These countries, like a lot of these European countries still

655
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 4: make money, like how they I don't haven't bought anything

656
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 4: from that country quite since I don't even know if

657
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 4: they're in the market for certain things. And yet they're

658
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 4: able to thrive a lot of them because they control

659
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: the money markets and some of these other countries and

660
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 4: uh and in Africa, France was still a big money

661
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 4: player until very recently. And when you talk to these brothers,

662
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 4: they have ambitions just like anybody, just like any about that.

663
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 4: It's not this paradise, It's not Wakanda Conda is a

664
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 4: is a remarkable story made up by white folks about

665
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 4: how black folks should should deem the world if they

666
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: get the opportunity, as if if we ever get empowered,

667
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 4: you're not gonna have black folks is going to turn

668
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: to the to the seeds of the colonization of the

669
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Speaker 4: colonialists that's happened on the contrience and completely destroy it

670
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Speaker 4: and wipe it out, and and and done so in

671
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 4: a way in which they consider themselves noble, the same

672
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 4: way that we're taught about robin hood and you know

673
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 4: what the soul called the Old West was, and taming

674
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 4: the West and all this other stuff. Why wouldn't a

675
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 4: grand revolution to unshackle the colonized Africa be seen as

676
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: just as nobles and over here even though we at

677
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: some point, n Carl, you know, it's in the south,

678
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 4: we were in the majority, but we didn't have all

679
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 4: the weapons, and so the forgiving part is part of

680
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 4: a strategy, but it's also part of card. I don't

681
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 4: know how we would survive, how our culture would survive,

682
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 4: how the spirit of our culture would survive if it

683
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 4: was turned into this kind of hate. Survive to hate,

684
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 4: you end up and with a demented leader. If you

685
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: do that, you end up with a fatuous, ridiculous, demented

686
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 4: leader like we have now. And we're seeing, we are seeing,

687
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 4: I think, a destruction of a great deal of everything.

688
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: They said we you know, black folks have always known

689
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 4: that there have been trumps and maggots, and we've always

690
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 4: lived there. Now the rest of the world really sees

691
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 4: that we were talking about.

692
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Speaker 1: Yeah, nine away from the top, did you tell us

693
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: finish the story about Serena Williams. Sided take you off

694
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: track there, Brandon, but go ahead.

695
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 4: Well, Serena Williams was she had have a child. She

696
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 4: has a blood condition. She had informed her staff, excuse me,

697
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 4: the hospital staff. She's one of the most recognized powerful

698
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Speaker 4: I would say powerful in the sense of her sports athleticism,

699
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 4: and I'm only saying that because she was dominant. She's

700
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Speaker 4: probably one of the most dominant athletes that the United

701
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 4: States ever produced, and so she's famous for that. And

702
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 4: she tells us hospital staff, I have a blood condition

703
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 4: needs to be watched bull but they didn't listen to her,

704
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 4: and she tells the story about how she almost she almost.

705
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say he passed away because I wasn't

706
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: there and I don't know the levels, but she said

707
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 4: it was she got into a dangerous effect of her

708
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 4: Her life was a danger because they wouldn't listen to her,

709
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 4: and she had an episode in her hospital room because

710
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 4: they wouldn't listen to the fact that she Now, this

711
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 4: is a woman who knows her body. You did what

712
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 4: I'm saying. She knows every ounce of whatever she's taking

713
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 4: because it affects how she plays and she tells them something,

714
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: and they still don't want to listen to her. They

715
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: still think she's just blathering on. And this is the

716
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 4: type of thing that black folks have to fight off.

717
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, she also she became very

718
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 4: famous by speaking, not necessarily, I'm not gonna say she

719
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 4: spoke up, but she recognized what was happening in Dubai,

720
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 4: the bifurcation and the gratification excuse me of life in Dubai,

721
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 4: and how there are people who are kind of who

722
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: are living almost a subsistence, subsistence living literally below all

723
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Speaker 4: of these skyscrapers, literally on the ground. And she's she's

724
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 4: a very famous person. And she mentioned that. I don't

725
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 4: know if she's been asked back since.

726
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Speaker 1: All right, setting away from the top of Brandon Monte

727
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: wants to speak with you. He's calling from the Washington

728
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: DC's online too. Grand riase in Monte, you're only Brandon, Yes,

729
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Speaker 1: you're on.

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Speaker 7: The air, a grand brand and grand rising car. I

731
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 7: was calling Brandon because I heard you made a comment

732
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Speaker 7: and I had.

733
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 8: Like a two point question.

734
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 7: My first question was about you had mentioned doctor Staden

735
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 7: and you.

736
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Speaker 8: Had mentioned like he wasn't a real doctor, and you

737
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 8: were mentioned like you didn't believe in it, and I

738
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 8: wanted to know that. You think the Supreme Court when

739
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 8: he had to bring people in front of the Supreme

740
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Speaker 8: Court to show that he can cure.

741
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 7: Him, do you believe that was real? What was that fake?

742
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 4: He wasn't the Supreme Court. His name is his name

743
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 4: is Antoine, by the way, Antoine.

744
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 7: Uh.

745
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 9: Yeah.

746
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: And it wasn't the Supreme Court, it was. It was

747
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 4: the court in New York. And what happened it was

748
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 4: actually the municipal court.

749
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Speaker 3: It wasn't even it.

750
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Speaker 4: Wasn't the state. The state took over the case. Now

751
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 4: what happened was he he was charged, He brought people

752
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 4: in to you know, justify on his behalf to fight

753
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 4: the allegations. The local case gave way to the state case.

754
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: And the reason why we know this is because the

755
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 4: state took it over. He walked out saying that he

756
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 4: had been justified and they had lost. The Supreme Court

757
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 4: walked away and he told this story, this tale. But

758
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 4: the state told him said, hey, here's what you're gonna do.

759
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 4: First of all, you're going to put an ad in

760
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 4: the paper. He was selling some elixir saying that it

761
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 4: didn't do what it claimed to do. You're never going

762
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 4: to sell that again. And if we catch you doing

763
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 4: anything like that in the State of New York game.

764
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Speaker 3: We're going to throw you in.

765
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Speaker 4: And then he moved out to California, changed his name

766
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Speaker 4: to uh uh doctor Sabie, and then he began his

767
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: process there. I'm not against people who talk about the

768
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: health and welfare people. I think it's very important that

769
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Speaker 4: we have discussions about it, whether or not we agree

770
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 4: or not. I'm not I'm not calling I'm not saying

771
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 4: that he's fraudulent in all his things. That would be

772
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 4: up to people that have gone through it and they

773
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 4: haven't had any you know, didn't have any gains or

774
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: anything like that. But what I am saying is that

775
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 4: he he changed he actually changed his name to doctors

776
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 4: so people would call him. So he understood what the

777
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 4: idea of being a doctor was uh and and having

778
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 4: it in your title to be able to convince people

779
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 4: that you were you were doing something or at least

780
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 4: saying something of substance.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I understand that because that's the English language

782
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 7: to spell language, so you know, words are important. But yeah,

783
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 7: he wasn't a white jagged doctor, I understand that. But

784
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 7: but but far as you, I respect your opinion, I

785
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 7: mean from the fire. So I just wanted to hear

786
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 7: what you had to say. That's all, no disrespect, but

787
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 7: I wanted to hear what you had to say.

788
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: Okay.

789
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 7: I sorted with the Supreme Court, and I listened to information.

790
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 7: And I always do my own research, and I come

791
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 7: in research that you say, so I appreciate it.

792
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 4: You know, you can find you can find the actual case.

793
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: It's online. You can find the actual case that that

794
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 4: the estate held against him, and that the uh, the

795
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 4: outcome of it. And and he you know, he he

796
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 4: asserted it over and over and over again. Uh, but

797
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 4: he left New York and he changed his name. He

798
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: literally changed his name. And you know, if if if

799
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 4: they weren't telling the truth, then what happened to that?

800
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: And I'm not I don't want to get into big

801
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: because I'm not you know, I'm not.

802
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 7: You know what he did into it on the radio,

803
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 7: you know, the personal conversation. I would rather have to

804
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 7: have it over and ready, right. I appreciate what you

805
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 7: ga so far.

806
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you, Thanks Monte, Thanks Brown, stay with us

807
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: for us, check the traffic and without different cities. It's

808
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: three minutes away from the top. They our family, a

809
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: political bloger. Brandon is our guest. Do you want to

810
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: speak to him? Reach out to us at eight hundred

811
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Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

812
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising Family, thanks for

813
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: starting your week with us. Before we just finished off

814
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 1: having a discussion with Branda. Let me bring in Kevin

815
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Speaker 1: I talk about this was happening in Washington, d C. Hey,

816
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: now some folks may recall it. Ellen Holmes Norton h

817
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: proposed naming a post office for Chuck Brown. What is

818
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: the latest on the Kevin Well.

819
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: First listener and bring people up to date. Congresswoman Eleanor

820
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: Holmes Norton introduced that bill and she wanted to rename

821
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Speaker 2: the post office, located at thirty four oh one Twelfth Street, Northeast,

822
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: after musician and singer and Dare Say It icon Chuck Brown,

823
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: the godfather of Go Go, who holds significance to DC

824
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 2: residents for creating and popularized popular Rising Say that three

825
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: times fast Go Go music, and for his support of

826
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Speaker 2: d C statehood and as the godfather of Go Go.

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Speaker 2: That's why he got the designation as the godfather of

828
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 2: Go Go. He gave d C a unique hometown sound

829
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: that was distinctly our own sound and brought enjoyment to

830
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: everybody that heard him here and throughout the nation, even

831
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: as far as Japan, Chuck Brown was known and Go

832
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: Go is the beat of d C, giving d C

833
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: its own musical identity and reminding the nation that d

834
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: C has always been the hometown of talented artists and

835
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: we'll never forget the free concerts Chuck Brown used to

836
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: play in front of the Capitol and many things like that. Meanwhile, though,

837
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: Congress said no go to Chuck Brown's post office. And

838
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: so Congress said that because he had a committed murder,

839
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: which Chuck Brown said was in self defense, and it

840
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: was get this seventy years ago, and it was in

841
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: prison where Chuck Brown learned to play guitar, came out

842
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: a new man, and decided to bring that music to

843
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: our world, into at least to our city. So it

844
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 2: just seems that again Congress, the United States government strikes

845
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: its rears as ugly. Had imprisonment of a black man

846
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: means that black man is going to always be held

847
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: back or naming your post office is either subjective or

848
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: based on your own. I don't know, budget, what do

849
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: you think.

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00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: I just think it's rich for the Republicans to do that,

851
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: very rich. Fair leader is convicted felon how many times?

852
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: More than thirty times?

853
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: Kevin, Yeah, that's right, thirty four.

854
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: Chuck Brown has one in fraction family, he's one in fraction,

855
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: and he goes around daming all kinds of stuff for him.

856
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: They come up with the idea that, well, we can't

857
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Speaker 1: name a post office in his district where black folks

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00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: go because he's wanting fraction when he was a youngster,

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00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: and we have a grown their leader thirty four, convicted

860
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: felon thirty four, and he's named all kinds of stuff

861
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Speaker 1: after that. I just think that's kind of rich.

862
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, well, Donald Trump has the power of the pen.

863
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: He's naming things without approval, like when he named the

864
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: Institute of Peace and just plastered his name on the building.

865
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 2: They're still trying to overthrow that idea. He's talking about

866
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: naming the Kennedy Center after himself, the Trump Kennedy Center,

867
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: and he can say it, wish it, and then executive

868
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: order it, which is really kind of Wild. Meanwhile, comes

869
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: to a member Norton, who noted that died in twenty twelve.

870
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: Is he's saying that? She says that Brown and Go

871
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: Go is the city's official music, and Brown already has

872
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: a street and a park named after him. And she

873
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: made a broader point about the GOP's sudden concern over

874
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: criminal past like you were talking about, and she said

875
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: the hippocrasy is shocking but not surprising. Republicans on this

876
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: committee cheered the pardons issued by President Trump, who himself

877
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: was convicted of crimes, as you pointed out, to the

878
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: violent insurrectionists who attacked the capitol on January sixth, and

879
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: they were attempting murder. I mean they held up created

880
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 2: a news for Mike Penn's for goodness six.

881
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty five to the top O family, want to

882
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: hear from you. Hopefully ron Molton will join us too,

883
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: because she's got the Go Go Museum in Washington, d C.

884
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Family? Do you think they should

885
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: the name of post office for Chuck Brown. The reason

886
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: why they ran in the roadblock because it's a federal buildings.

887
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, the post office is federal, not city. That's

888
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: why Chuck as the other things a name for him.

889
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: But I think, as Kevin just mentioned, go Go is

890
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: the official music of Washington, d C. This is something

891
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: that we should be celebrated and using that you know term,

892
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: because he was a convicted felon that only one one

893
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: conviction and your leader has thirty four. Oh good, I

894
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: see the Ron's reaching out to us. Ron Moulton is

895
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: the set up the Go Go Museum in Washington, d C.

896
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: And Ron, I got to ask you stead Grand Rising

897
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: first and thank you you just your reaction, you just

898
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: visceral reaction to this voting down of this post office

899
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: for Chuck Brown.

900
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 3: Well, once again it's an attack on democracy of over

901
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: seven hundred thousand people in Washington, d C. Sud Brown

902
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: is a staple in our community and means everything in

903
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: our community. I'm a returning citizen. And actually that name,

904
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 3: the title came from DC when over seventeen us came

905
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: together and said we weren't going to be called called

906
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: convicts and ex sellings and cons and things like that,

907
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: and our City Council embraced it and legislator here we

908
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: are is used throughout the world and the reason why

909
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: we came up with that terminology was we know where

910
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: you put on an application for somebody applying for a job, convict,

911
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: ex con and all those names, auto magnet. It gives

912
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: you a sentiment of that person that they'd never changed,

913
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: and you got to always look down on them. They

914
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 3: have to live with these stigmas. And when you think

915
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: about Chuck Brown, you know, as we sit here in Washington,

916
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 3: DC and watch people that to get that get pardon,

917
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, who committed all types of

918
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 3: crimes that you you think of, Okay, this person, you know,

919
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 3: gonna get it's gonna get another chance. But to think

920
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: that the only people that we can give a second

921
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 3: chance to somebody like NBA young boy who says he's demonic,

922
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 3: you know, it comes out of his mouth and says

923
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 3: he's demonic. But somebody like Chuck Brown who came to

924
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: our community created a general of music that has saved

925
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: thousands and thousand young black boys and girls from off

926
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: the streets of Washington, DC and beyond and created something

927
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 3: that has been embraced by the world. And you know

928
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: the other thing about Chuck Brown, he you know, he had,

929
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 3: you know, some things that he been through in his

930
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 3: life to try to survive this like many of us.

931
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 3: But I remember when you know, Chuck Brown even used drugs,

932
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 3: and he was so powerful when he cleaned hisself up

933
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: the whole entire go go community and beyond stop using drugs.

934
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 3: That's how powerful this guy was. He he mentored all

935
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 3: the artists, all the community. Everybody loved this man. And

936
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 3: for us to take away the opportunity to give someone

937
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 3: a second chance of life because they're black, this is

938
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 3: the only reason, because they're black. When we're partnering people

939
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 3: who you know, have done all type of things, and

940
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 3: I'm talking about this guy had did this for decade,

941
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, over forty years, and somebody

942
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 3: can just get pardoned just like that who just recently

943
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: committed a crime. What does that say to black people?

944
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: What does that say to Washington, DC? You know? So

945
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 3: I mean, and once again, you know I was at

946
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: one time. I was the type of person I ad

947
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: can't either here or there for various reasons about DC

948
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: being a state, but it shows even more than ever

949
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 3: while we had to be a state, because we had

950
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: people who've become and just step on us and crushes

951
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 3: whenever they feel like it, you know, and just not right.

952
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 3: And other people should take notes of this because whatever

953
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 3: happens in DC likely comes to your city. And I

954
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 3: remember in nineteen ninety six when they took music and

955
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 3: trades out of DC public schools when they were mad

956
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: because DC people re elected Marion Barry after he was

957
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 3: in trap with twenty or twenty million dollars spent to

958
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 3: lock him up because he's still for the people, all right.

959
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 3: And what you see and what you saw from that,

960
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 3: it were from DC to all over the country. Music

961
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 3: and trades were taken out of public schools and that

962
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: led to the decline of having people in our community

963
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: that come from the community with a direct line to

964
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: the middle class being taken away. And then when other

965
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 3: people come from other countries to do those jobs because

966
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 3: we didn't have the people, that even became an issue.

967
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 3: So i'munderstanding people had to really pay attention to what's

968
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: going on right now.

969
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 2: So hey, Ronald Molten, Sir Kevin Lane for there, Look,

970
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: what amount of you taken the consideration that most of

971
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: the time post office are named after national figures like

972
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 2: Gerald Ford, or soldiers have died or you know, famous celebrities.

973
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan, for example, and usually that is the other

974
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: consideration for naming post office after individuals. So then take

975
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: away that idea that they said, you know, I think

976
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 2: that was reaching for the easy apple off the tree

977
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: by saying, you know, he was convicted of murder. What

978
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: about the fact that, you know, maybe Chuck Brown isn't

979
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 2: seen as a national figure. You and I know better,

980
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 2: But what do you think about that? And also, we.

981
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: Were in Tennessee. We wouldn't question Elvis Presley having a

982
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: post office named after him, So why are we questioning

983
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: in Washington, DC?

984
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 2: Elvis Presley had a little more notoriety than Chuck Brown. Though,

985
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: That's what I'm getting at. That's what I'm getting at.

986
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 3: The more, well, it all depends on who you're talking about.

987
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 3: Bust and Loose was known all over the country by artists.

988
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: When I talk to people about Chuck Brown wherever I go,

989
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 3: they know who he is. Now when you start talking

990
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,959
Speaker 3: about other people, I don't give it damn about other people.

991
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 3: I care about my people. My people all over the

992
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 3: world know who Chuck Brown is. They know about busting loose,

993
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: they know about I need some money, they know about

994
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: doing the butt, They know and so I mean, you know,

995
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 3: and this is why you elevate people like him even

996
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 3: more so because they need to know about him. They

997
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 3: even know about his life, how you can change your

998
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 3: life around and be given a second chance to do

999
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 3: what's right. They need to know that. They need to

1000
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: know about the Chocolate City, how we created our own

1001
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 3: here and all the great things that we did, you

1002
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So it's only five places that

1003
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 3: you can say have their their own music in this country, right,

1004
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 3: and a lot of times other people who are the

1005
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 3: stamp of that, who even who didn't even create it.

1006
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 3: So I think it's very important that we put the

1007
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 3: faces of people from our community out there, because a

1008
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: lot of times you look up fifty years later as

1009
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: somebody else faces up there.

1010
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: Well, let me jump in here, fellos. Twenty seven minutes

1011
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: away from the top of that, Ron Molton has joined

1012
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: us Ron is to put up the Go Go Museum

1013
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. And Kevin is discussing the Republicans

1014
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: have killed the bill to rename a DC post office

1015
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: after Chuck Brown, the so called the godfather of Go Go,

1016
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: the official music of Washington, DC. So my question to

1017
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 1: what you said, Ron is a Republican on the House

1018
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: been Do you think they know who Chuck Brown is

1019
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: or was?

1020
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 3: I think right now people are just looking through everything

1021
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 3: in Washington, DC does right now in a magafying glass.

1022
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 3: Anytime they feel like selecting, they just slexing. That's what

1023
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 3: I think, because before this they wouldn't even have been

1024
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 3: looking at who we naming a building after. Right now

1025
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 3: is a concentration. You know, we're under a magnifying glass,

1026
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: so any little thing this can happen, So this probably

1027
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 3: won't be the last time something like this happens.

1028
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 2: You know, any building that's named, any postal building has

1029
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 2: to go through Congress, all of them, so you know this.

1030
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: What I'm saying. What I'm telling you is right now

1031
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 3: we're under a magnifying glass. Elinor could have put a

1032
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: bill like this through some time ago. Anyway, they just

1033
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 3: went right through. That's what I'm saying. Now any little

1034
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 3: thing that DC does is being reviewed and watched. But

1035
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: in the past they were just worrying about getting their

1036
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 3: stuff through or what they're doing where they at, you know,

1037
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 3: in their cities and their states. Right now everybody has

1038
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 3: their hands on DC. That's what I'm saying. And in

1039
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 3: the past, whether it was naming the building or anything like,

1040
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: every law in DC, believe it or not, goes under

1041
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 3: review of the same people. Did you all know that?

1042
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 3: Not just the name of the buildings everything, because we're

1043
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 3: not a date So those reviewing DC then it goes

1044
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 3: through a view there and dinner's approved. So there's no

1045
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 3: such thing as it's just build there's no Every law

1046
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 3: this legislative in DC has to get approved from those people.

1047
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 10: Most people don't.

1048
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and most people outside of the DMV don't know that.

1049
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: But twenty five away from the top of our family,

1050
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: we're discussing here, the Republicans have killed a bill tary

1051
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: name of post office in DC after Chuck Brown, the

1052
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: godfather of Go Go. What are your thoughts? I want

1053
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: to hear from you at eight hundred four or five

1054
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and Ron Listener sent me

1055
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: this tweet. It says Grand riseing, if George Washington could

1056
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: become president, have his image placed on stamps, money, schools,

1057
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: the capital city of the nation, and t shirts add infinitam.

1058
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: After being known as a US military general who was

1059
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: responsible for killing hundreds of people. Then Chuck Brown can

1060
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: be placed on a US stamp. This is what he

1061
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: once gets your thoughts. If Kevin's giggling, what do you say?

1062
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 3: Once again, I say, everybody deserves to have second chances.

1063
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: And this is an odds to moron the me with

1064
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: the type of people who are being pardoned right now

1065
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 3: in our country. And once again, I'll say, we have

1066
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: no problem with elevating somebody like NBA young boy in

1067
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 3: Kodak Black, but somebody like Chuck Brown, who was stellar

1068
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 3: and everything he did for the community and music, you

1069
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 3: have a problem giving him a second chance and uplifting

1070
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: his journey, which is example for a lot of young

1071
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 3: black men and women in communities in Washington, DC and

1072
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 3: beyond that you can get on the right track and

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Speaker 3: you can uplift your community and the people and be

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Speaker 3: a prime example. While God has told the world that

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Speaker 3: you give people a second chance, has told humanity that

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Speaker 3: people should be given a second chance. So I just

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Speaker 3: think they missed it on this one. I think they

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Speaker 3: got it wrong. And it's said, but I think there

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Speaker 3: will be a time where we can revisit this, you know,

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Speaker 3: very soon.

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Speaker 1: So let's just see what happens, all right, All I

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Speaker 1: thought and stay with us wrong, We got to check

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Speaker 1: the news in a different cities and on ology. Come

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Speaker 1: back when you come back though, because you said Ellen

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Speaker 1: Holmes and she she started this journey and if she

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Speaker 1: started at a different time, do you think, well, let's

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Speaker 1: put it straight, if she started whining the but the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration or the Obama administration was an obvioice, would

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Speaker 1: you think DC would have a post office for Chuck Brown.

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Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on that when we

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Speaker 1: get back twenty three minutes away from the top day,

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Speaker 1: our family, We got check the news and whether and

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Speaker 1: sports and our different cities to come back, and you

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Speaker 1: want to speak with Chuck Brown, you away speak of

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Speaker 1: Ron and reach out to us at eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, your calls

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Speaker 1: in it and grand Rising family, and thanks for starting

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Speaker 1: a week with us. I guess this political blog of

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Speaker 1: Brandon Brand before you go, I know you can't stay

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Speaker 1: too long to the day before you go on to

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Speaker 1: give us an update on the situation in the Pasadena

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Speaker 1: Altadena are where those fires took place earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: That's that's where you resigne on an update on that

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Speaker 1: but let's go back to politics, and Tony's reaching out

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Speaker 1: to us. Tony's calling from Seattle, Washington. He's on the

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Speaker 1: line too, Grand Rising, Tony. You're on, Brandon, Oh, I

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Speaker 1: think we lost Tony. Tony must have hung out, but

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Speaker 1: he wanted to talk about the Maga movement. Brandon, did

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Speaker 1: you see any more dissensions or desertions or or or

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Speaker 1: officials in the Maga movement.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a violent cult, and I don't know

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Speaker 4: if there's any you know, desertions. People are leaving yet

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Speaker 4: to be very careful, you know, cults EBB and flow,

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Speaker 4: so one moment they'll be upset, but they mostly stay

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Speaker 4: locked in. That's one of the reasons why they they're

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Speaker 4: their their cult. But I just wanted highlight something, excuse

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Speaker 4: me and correct myself in that conversation we had about

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Speaker 4: doctor sab I'm looking at the actual results of the

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Speaker 4: of the allegations that were led to him from the

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Speaker 4: State of New York. So this is like I said,

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Speaker 4: it was the state. It was the Supreme Court of

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Speaker 4: the State of New York. And that's where I think

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Speaker 4: he got the term what he would use, I beat

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court because but in the part forty nine

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Speaker 4: what was ordered on June seventh and nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 4: Within it, there is an order of five paragraphs, and

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Speaker 4: the first one simply says, ordered and adjudge and the

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Speaker 4: creed that respondents are permanently and joined from engaging in

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Speaker 4: any fraudulent deception or legal actions or practices, including, but

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Speaker 4: not limited to claiming orally, or in writing directly, or

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Speaker 4: implication that respondents to their services or their products can cure,

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Speaker 4: mitigate in any way relieve also the course of a

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Speaker 4: Turkey's bikemia cell sixcel excuse me, lupus, or any other

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Speaker 4: human disease, pain, injury, deformity, or physical condition. That's just

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Speaker 4: the first paragraph. It goes on to say that they

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Speaker 4: can't distribute anything. It goes on to say that they

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Speaker 4: can't diagnose anything, or that they should be selling any

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Speaker 4: other products or selling any orb shooting any literature. In

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Speaker 4: that connection, it basically shut down his operations. And his

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Speaker 4: name is not Antoine excuse me as Alfredo Bowman. I

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Speaker 4: just want to be clear about those things, because, like

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Speaker 4: I said, I'm not against people taking holistic approaches and

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Speaker 4: doing what helps, but we have to be very very

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Speaker 4: careful about making sure that we understand science and not

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Speaker 4: just you know, science doesn't have a race. You know,

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Speaker 4: the speed of sound is the speed of sound, whether

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Speaker 4: you know whether you're black, white, orange, and purple, and

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Speaker 4: you need to kind of it's hard because it's a

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Speaker 4: very harsh thing to kind of understand that there are

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Speaker 4: things that do go down that that connect with you know,

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Speaker 4: the scientific research and what we have and things that

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Speaker 4: you know, we for instance, black folks in the United

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Speaker 4: States of America get diabetes more okay, has a lot

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Speaker 4: to do with with the physical makeup, but has all

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Speaker 4: to do with the history of you know, our parents

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Speaker 4: are DNA, and also what we eat, how we eat,

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Speaker 4: how long we've been eating, you know, certain situations. There

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Speaker 4: are other people, other people's that are black, though, that

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Speaker 4: are known for their speed or their law, or the

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Speaker 4: or the or the ability to run far and fast.

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Speaker 4: These are things that are connected. But that's all around

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Speaker 4: the world. That's all when you see that all around around.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to get too deep into the woods

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Speaker 4: in it, but I want people to want to stand

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Speaker 4: that when when we're talking, when you're saying something about

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Speaker 4: Kelsey grammar and how easily they can dehumanize somebody. They're

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Speaker 4: taking an instance now maybe a horrible instance in their lives,

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Speaker 4: and they're applying that to to to machinery that can

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Speaker 4: affect us all over the world. And that's one of

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Speaker 4: the bigger that's one of the things that that that

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Speaker 4: the occult like Maga doesn't think that they have to

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Speaker 4: worry about until the policies of fascism are on their

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Speaker 4: doorstep and then they finally see way to what they

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Speaker 4: were doing here is going to affect us too. You

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Speaker 4: didn't know what I'm saying. You see how that links together.

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Speaker 4: So you have to be very careful that you know

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Speaker 4: things that we in my opinion, the things that we

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Speaker 4: have and represented and able to push, you know, all

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Speaker 4: over the world, the fastest, the brightest, whatever human beings. Right,

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Speaker 4: you have to be careful that other people can't blanket

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Speaker 4: that and say all those people are this and all

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Speaker 4: those people that, because you're people too, and it's very

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Speaker 4: simple and very easy to destroy based merely on as

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Speaker 4: we've seen what happened in Gaza. As we've seen that

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Speaker 4: we saw it happen in real time.

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Speaker 1: Your prediction, Mark Mallan says, we're heading for civil In fact,

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Speaker 1: he spoke to mystage says civil wars here, we're heading

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Speaker 1: for a World War three. If you think it's you

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Speaker 1: think it's going to get that that far.

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Speaker 4: How you said, I said that we're in a slow

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Speaker 4: motion civil war. I it is. It's based on two factors.

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Speaker 4: One is the reaction to the people in the United

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Speaker 4: States to what Trump has already done and what's being

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Speaker 4: set up to take power away from people. Right now,

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Speaker 4: they're looking to do something which leads to the other

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Speaker 4: part of it, which is the Supreme Court. The Robert

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court is probably one of the most open, openly

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Speaker 4: corrupt and anti American Supreme Court in the history of

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Speaker 4: the United States. And right now they have agreed to

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Speaker 4: begin the conversation. And when they have conversations, this is

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Speaker 4: these are discussions over whether or not something is constitutional.

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Speaker 4: Over birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, yeah, well go dig a little deeper on

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Speaker 1: that for us, brand because many of us think that

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Speaker 1: that doesn't affect us. The Fourteenth Amendment. He's trying to

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Speaker 1: do away with the Fourteenth Amendment. To correct me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong.

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Speaker 4: He's trying to stop it. I don't know, you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't his his mind is you know, uh, he's

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Speaker 4: not a legal We're not talking about President Obama here,

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Speaker 4: We're talking about somebody who who wants to be a dictator.

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Speaker 4: But the fact that the Supreme Court would even take

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Speaker 4: it up, I mean, it's it's it's clearly outlined in

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Speaker 4: the in the Fortune Amendment, just like you said. And

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Speaker 4: what's what I think, because we have to be very

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Speaker 4: careful about this too, because you know, the Constitution wasn't

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Speaker 4: written for us. We we we we were a factor

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Speaker 4: in it. And because of being a factor in it,

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Speaker 4: we were able to make it apply. And that happened

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Speaker 4: through blood. But the Constitution, the reason why they had

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Speaker 4: birthright ficition was a way to you know, easily create

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Speaker 4: a large population of people that they were in this

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Speaker 4: brand new country. You know what I'm saying. It was

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Speaker 4: a way too easily easily, and they had you know,

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Speaker 4: the thing that has ebbed and flowed a great deal

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Speaker 4: is you know, what's an immigrant and and the legal

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Speaker 4: status of memory. That's that's you know waxt and waned

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Speaker 4: over the years as well. But this saying about looking

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Speaker 4: at a part of the constitution that is well, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's it's it's well versed. It's been debated, it's been discussed.

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Speaker 4: Of course every time white supremacy has has had an

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Speaker 4: identity crisis, you know. Uh, this this has popped up

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Speaker 4: as part of one of the central discussions of it

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Speaker 4: because they don't let me, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, RUI for a second, but I think we

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Speaker 1: need to go back and tell our people about the

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Speaker 1: dread Scott decision, you know, because because this is where

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Speaker 1: this all comes from. Where we are not We're not citizens,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're former answers or enslaved. This is why

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Speaker 1: they came with the fourteenth Amendment. So the question is

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Speaker 1: if he's successful. I don't think he can do it,

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Speaker 1: because you cannot remove an amendment by the stroke of

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Speaker 1: a pen. Uh if he But if he's a successful

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Speaker 1: in rebranding this, does that means that that all black

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Speaker 1: people are no longer citizens of America?

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Speaker 4: I mean, of course you can. You can, you can

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Speaker 4: take it away. Of course you can't.

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Speaker 11: And anything can happen anything that you because anything has.

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Speaker 11: Remember they've created this the Imperial President. They created the

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Speaker 11: Imperial President. And I want you to really.

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Speaker 4: Think about where we are right now. Look at all

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Speaker 4: of the all of the corruption. Trump is basically selling pardons.

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Speaker 4: Basically it has been reported quid pro qui quo quote

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Speaker 4: pro qro schoo man. I think I tore my uvula

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Speaker 4: trying to say that there are there are other ranges

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Speaker 4: of things that have happened right in front of I'm

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Speaker 4: not saying they're trying to sell trying to sell fear

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Speaker 4: to anybody. I don't you know when people say the

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Speaker 4: military of the army, you know, we have hundreds and

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Speaker 4: hundreds of thousands of people and and there's this This

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Speaker 4: is a pretty big country, thousands upon thousands of cities,

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Speaker 4: So I don't necessarily see that going down. But I

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Speaker 4: do think that that the culture has changed, and what

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Speaker 4: black people have experienced because of this is there's been

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Speaker 4: a target on our backs. We've been threatened over and

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Speaker 4: over again. The few people that have spoken out and

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Speaker 4: been out front have been dockxed and terrorized, and you know,

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Speaker 4: their families have been So there is a there is

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Speaker 4: a a constant there is a constant grind against our

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Speaker 4: humanity which we have to really pay attention to. And

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Speaker 4: you know, I think you you hit the nail on

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Speaker 4: the head when you were talking about how you know,

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Speaker 4: where we've been. You know why why these things actually

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Speaker 4: keep being brought up? When you mentioned the Kennedy Center thing,

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Speaker 4: it's it looks like that's just a distraction. But if

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Speaker 4: you just think about it, a person, one of the

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Speaker 4: most uncultured people on the planet, who's who's making the

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Speaker 4: White House look like a cheap, a cheap New Orleans

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Speaker 4: ho house, which might be apt or maybe some of

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Speaker 4: the current uh current tenants who live there. Uh, it

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Speaker 4: seems like that's just a symbolic thing. But that's happening

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Speaker 4: to the laws too, and and and their application of

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Speaker 4: those laws.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Hold, I thought they got a tweet for you at

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Speaker 1: twelve after the top of the family branding is I

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Speaker 1: guess he's a political blogger. It was out in California, Pasadena, Altady,

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Speaker 1: in an era that was affected by those killer wildfires.

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Speaker 1: Were don't getting up there on there before you leave,

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Speaker 1: for here's a tweet brown and tweeta says, to overturn

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Speaker 1: and deny birthright citizenship is how they will try to

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Speaker 1: take out black people. Tuitia goes, Honestly, I don't understand

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Speaker 1: why we are why we are signing up voters and

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Speaker 1: all hands on deck to vote in the midterms. I

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Speaker 1: guess I missed that. Why we are not signing up

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Speaker 1: voters and all hands on deck to vote in the midterms.

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Speaker 4: Your thoughts, I think we are. But this is one

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Speaker 4: of the problems that the Democrats have had.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 4: They had a couple great victories in showing some elections.

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Speaker 4: One I think that just happened. I think in Tennessee

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Speaker 4: where where they where the Democrat lost, but they put

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Speaker 4: up such a good fight in a place that was

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Speaker 4: just complete I think it was. It might have been

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Speaker 4: in some other state, as clearly read. The Democrats right

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Speaker 4: now suffering from a there's a generation gap and it

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Speaker 4: needs to be it needs to be dealt with.

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Speaker 1: When you say a generation gap, you mean the old

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Speaker 1: god needs to move on and make room for the

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Speaker 1: younger generation.

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Speaker 4: But but but as people, and I say this in

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Speaker 4: real politic, and you know you can agree with me

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Speaker 4: or not, but you know, old guard never moves on.

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Speaker 4: They are moved on. It may be done gently, it

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Speaker 4: may be done with respect, but they it's usually And

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Speaker 4: I mean you lived through these times. I mean I

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Speaker 4: think you were. I don't know how young you were.

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Speaker 4: But in the sixties, the Vietnam War was one of

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Speaker 4: the core principles of a new age, a new youth

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Speaker 4: movement that came in. It was that they came through that.

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Speaker 4: That is what helped. But the people, the fact that

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Speaker 4: the young brothers and sisters, their brothers and sisters were

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Speaker 4: dying in this place over there to fight you know,

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Speaker 4: colonial war, so that France, France could hold power and

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Speaker 4: stay power.

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Speaker 10: Though it was you.

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Speaker 4: Know, connected to the Cold War, it was one of

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Speaker 4: the turning points for the youth movement that was occurring

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Speaker 4: in this country. So it wasn't just in the Democrats.

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Speaker 4: You know, everybody talks about how Chicago was a disaster,

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Speaker 4: Well it was for the Democrats, but it's something that

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Speaker 4: they had built up, all those you know, all those

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Speaker 4: just by ignoring and not listening to the youth movement,

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Speaker 4: and you know it it was. It was a remarkable

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Speaker 4: turn but it's something that was oppressed upon. Now there

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Speaker 4: are other forces in that estate where there were just

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Speaker 4: adjutants and there were people and that is all kinds

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Speaker 4: of things like that that happened. But there is you know,

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Speaker 4: there is something that is connected to that when you

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Speaker 4: talk about you know, control and control of those before

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Speaker 4: I go, let's talk about the dred Scott situation. Right,

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Speaker 4: So part of it we had to do with whether

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Speaker 4: or not a black person, a free black person was

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Speaker 4: actually truly free, right, whether they could be a citizen

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Speaker 4: in the United States. And one of the areas that

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Speaker 4: they were territories that they were talking was the new

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Speaker 4: Missouri territory. Right now, let me show you how how

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Speaker 4: how connected and and and how these things uh can

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Speaker 4: even nowadays. Just I just want you to think of

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01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 4: so earlier you guys were talking about football. Now there's

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Speaker 4: a thing called n I L in college which didn't

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Speaker 4: exist when I played in college, which is which is

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01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 4: name likeness where you can make money from a third party.

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01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 4: Now you can you can leave college having had a

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Speaker 4: great career and made money off the jersey that the

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Speaker 4: that the college cells or anybody that wants to do

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Speaker 4: a partnership with you, and there and and when you

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Speaker 4: do this, uh, you know, if you don't play well,

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Speaker 4: if you don't feel like you're at a right at university,

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Speaker 4: you can go to this thing called the transfer portal

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01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 4: and you can get you can go transfer to another

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Speaker 4: school and retain your your ability to still play. And

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Speaker 4: you know, get your career going there and still do well.

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Speaker 4: And there's this there's this player named Damon Wilson who

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Speaker 4: who left Georgia and he went to Missouri. He went

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Speaker 4: into the portal. Now, when he was at Georgia, he

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Speaker 4: had this nil aname, name, image and likeness contract where Georgia,

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Speaker 4: through third party, was basically saying, hey, we can give

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Speaker 4: you this amount of money, Well hook you up. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna make it blah blah blah, based on this contract,

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Speaker 4: based on a four years that he was supposed to

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Speaker 4: play there, but it wasn't a good fit for him,

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Speaker 4: so they I guess they had they had begun the

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Speaker 4: process of getting some money into his account, but then

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Speaker 4: he decided to go to another school and he did

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Speaker 4: fabulously well at Missouri. Well, right now Georgia is suing him, right,

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Speaker 4: Georgia is suing him. The college is doing him because

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Speaker 4: they say he didn't fulfill his part of the bargain.

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Speaker 4: Then they're not just suing him for what they gave him.

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Speaker 4: They're suing him for what they would have given him.

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Speaker 4: And so that's like them owning him. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: saying is the same chinas are do you are you

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Speaker 4: free to be a true human being? Are you free enough?

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Speaker 1: So we gotta have a cut there, Brand because we've

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Speaker 1: got a couple of break and I know you've got

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01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,440
Speaker 1: to run and people asking for your social media contact

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Speaker 1: right you reach reach.

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Speaker 4: You reached me through Carl and we'll be putting up

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Speaker 4: a new thing on YouTube with this nightest one situation.

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Speaker 4: So just keep your ears to the ground to see

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Speaker 4: what's going on. I do have to break brandall all.

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Speaker 3: Right, thank you Bane? All right?

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Speaker 1: Eighteen after the top, Dawn, I gotta step aside. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, we want to talk about something happening

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Speaker 1: in Washington, DC. Eight hundred and four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six gets you into join our conversation.

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Speaker 1: Kevin is going to be here. We'll take it. Calls

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Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 1: with us. Sixteen minutes away from the top there, we

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Speaker 1: have a discussion about the Republicans in the House Overside

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01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: committee have decided not to rename a DC post office.

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01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: I haveter Chuck Brown because of his criminal record with US.

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01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: Ron Moten. Ron is the founder of the Go Go

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Speaker 1: Museum in Washington, d C. If you live in DC,

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01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: you're already supposed to have checked it out. If you're

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Speaker 1: not and you're visiting DC, check out the Go Go Museum.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to Ron, though, the Ministry remind

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Speaker 1: you come up late this morning. We're going to speak

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Speaker 1: with former FBI agent, the doctor Tyren Powers. And later

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Speaker 1: this week you're going to hear from a civil rights

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01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 1: activist doctor doctor the civil rights actors Willie maccassa Ricks.

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01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: He marched with Kwame Terrace who was then stoken called

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Speaker 1: Michael back in the sixties, John Lewis, doctor King and

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01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: marsh with all those fellows. He's just going to join us.

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Speaker 1: Also natural padic and holistic doctor you get too for

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01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: one with doctor A she's going to be here. Also

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Speaker 1: one of Malcolm's daughters, actually his third daughter, doctor Elisia Shabaz,

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Speaker 1: who also join us. And Professor Main Neuwan Pin from

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Speaker 1: Contracosta College in California, Northern California here as well. So

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Speaker 1: if you are in Baltimore, keep you readily locked in

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01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: tight on ten ten WLB. If you're in the DMV

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Speaker 1: around fourteen fifteen w L. All right, let's go back

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Speaker 1: to this this kafuffle in Washington, DC, about the naming

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Speaker 1: of a post office for Chuck Brown. The Republicans on

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Speaker 1: the as I mentioned the House Overside Committee say he

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Speaker 1: doesn't deserve it because he's got a record. What say

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Speaker 1: you eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to

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Speaker 1: seventy six to get you in that, Ron will take

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Speaker 1: your calls. And Kevin as well, Brother Ray Fauntroy is

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Speaker 1: joined us. He's online too, Brother Ray, grand Rising, welcome

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Speaker 1: to program.

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Speaker 13: Well Grand Rose Rousing, my brother, very happy to be

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Speaker 13: back and listening. I'm enjoying the program very much, and

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Speaker 13: I'm so glad that you're continuing to educate our people

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01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 13: and wake them up. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 13: Keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: All right, You have any thoughts about this this post office?

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Speaker 1: It was good name. Its supposed to be named for

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Speaker 1: Chuck Brown.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Well, first of all, we should name it ourselves and

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Speaker 13: do it ourselves. You know, we need to understand the

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01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 13: people who are running our government are those who came

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01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 13: to kill, steal and destroy. I think Malcolm made it

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Speaker 13: very clear to us when he said that we didn't

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Speaker 13: land on Plymouth Rock. Plymouth Rock landed on us. In

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Speaker 13: other words, we were here when they came, this is

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Speaker 13: our land. They are the invaders. They are the immigrants

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Speaker 13: who have come to kill, steal, and destroyed us all

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01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 13: they have done since they've been here. And we need

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Speaker 13: to start talking about solutions to our problems. And one

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Speaker 13: of the solutions I believe is Christmas is coming whole year. Money.

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Speaker 13: The people who run this country are the wealthy. They

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Speaker 13: make their money and they make their wealth off of

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01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 13: our misery and our support. We buy everything they sell us.

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Speaker 13: We stopped buying from them and buy from each other

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Speaker 13: and build for our own communities. Organize our community, which

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Speaker 13: have been you know, consistently said over the years, we

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Speaker 13: need to get organized. We're not organized. They're still voting

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Speaker 13: for their system, which is not our system, their way

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01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,759
Speaker 13: which is not our way. And we know the difference

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Speaker 13: between what they do and what we do. As a people.

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Speaker 13: We are spiritual people, We are loving people, We are

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Speaker 13: caring people, and we are not those who are running

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Speaker 13: this country now who only care about themselves, only care

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Speaker 13: about taking over the world and ruling the world. And

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Speaker 13: they're going to lose, and they're going to lose when

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Speaker 13: we decide to come together and put a stop to

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Speaker 13: what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you Brother Ray's brother Ray faunt Roy,

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Speaker 1: those in Washington, d C. The Fort Roy and name Ron.

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Speaker 1: You want to comment anything the brother Ray just mentioned.

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Speaker 3: I mean what he said is absolutely right. We had

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Speaker 3: answers to all of our problems, as we have throughout history.

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Speaker 3: We all know before segregation ended that we really didn't

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Speaker 3: have any problems other than it's dealing with racist people.

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Speaker 3: We deal with that by just being amongst ourselves and

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01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 3: loving each other like we never had before. And it's

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Speaker 3: proven with the target boycott the power that we have,

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01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 3: you know, so we love ourselves and people who showed

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Speaker 3: that they loved us as well, we'll be good. I

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Speaker 3: give you a prime example. A good friend of mine,

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Speaker 3: Saint Clair Skinner, has an app called I Love Black People,

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01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 3: and its app is to vobialize people who are black

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Speaker 3: and people who prove that they love black people for

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Speaker 3: us to spend our dollars there versus the continue to

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Speaker 3: spend it with people who don't love us. Because guess what.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that nobody talks about. These big corporations

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01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 3: also control the politicians, right, and when they stand up

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01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 3: and they speak, politicians listening as well, because they put

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Speaker 3: tons of money into that that this brother was talking about.

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Speaker 3: That the one time they couldn't because you couldn't control

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Speaker 3: it with corporations. But now they do. Out of Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court passed several laws. So it's just something to think about,

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01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 3: you know, that's something that we have to do focused on.

1496
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 3: We have all these a chance to create, all these

1497
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 3: black renaissances in neighborhoods that people be value but are

1498
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 3: really a treasure like historic Anacostia that's on the rise.

1499
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 3: But guess what, people not coming to support those black

1500
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 3: businesses like they should. We can play, but we don't

1501
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 3: support our own. Therefore, the people who can rise up

1502
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 3: and have the wealth and then put it back in

1503
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 3: our community don't get the chance to do it because

1504
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 3: only time y'all come support them when they about to close,

1505
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 3: the thirty days before they close their door, and you say, oh,

1506
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 3: I wish you would have said something. Why somebody got

1507
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 3: to tell you to go support your own community. So

1508
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 3: I mean, he's exactly right, because that's where the power

1509
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 3: comes from. And as long as we're organized.

1510
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, Ron ten away from I got some

1511
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: more fucks we want to talk to you about. You know,

1512
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: I still want to get your response froment you said

1513
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: on the Holmes Norton deciding now to make that her question,

1514
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 1: to make that post office for Chuck Brown? Had she

1515
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: done it in during the Biden administration or Obama administration.

1516
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: He thinks you've got better results. Do you think we'd

1517
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 1: have a Chuck Brown post office?

1518
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,719
Speaker 3: Oh, there's no question. I mean, like I said, normally

1519
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 3: they do not pay attention to things like this. See

1520
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 3: what it passed right through right now? DC has a

1521
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 3: Maga fine Glass on us. I mean, Michelle Obama had

1522
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 3: Chuck Brown on her playlist. So, like I said, it's

1523
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 3: more than just people in DC who's all about Chuck Brown.

1524
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 3: She's a head only she still does. But when she

1525
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 3: was in the White House, Chuck Brown was on her

1526
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 3: playlist and that was known nationally. So I'm sure other

1527
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 3: people say, well, watch it, Chuck Brown on the playlist.

1528
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, most definitely it would have went through because,

1529
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 3: like I said, a lot of people know the impact

1530
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:01,799
Speaker 3: that he had, not just musically, but in other ways.

1531
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 3: You know, like I said, he educated people, He loved

1532
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 3: our community. He was an example of a family man

1533
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 3: who took care of his family, his community. We have

1534
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 3: a street at them. We have we have we have

1535
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 3: a Chuck Brown Day, we have a Chuck Brown Park.

1536
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 3: You know. So this is like nothing new in d C.

1537
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 3: So but because we're out of state once again, people

1538
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 3: can come into our community. Washington, d C. The only

1539
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 3: place in of the United States of America where we

1540
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 3: had to get congressional approval to do with Elsa Holmes.

1541
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: Darton just did all right eight away from the top

1542
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: of TM. Once you join the conversation, he's in the

1543
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 1: d C. He's online. Three Kevin Grand rising TM you

1544
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: with Ron Morton.

1545
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 5: Yes, so good morning. It's always great to hear from

1546
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 5: this particular gentleman. I know his story. Man, powerful brother here.

1547
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 5: When I was working in DC Public school. This guys

1548
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 5: we came in my school and helped me out tremendously.

1549
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 3: Man.

1550
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: You know who you are, your friend Chuck Brown or

1551
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: Ron Moten.

1552
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 5: Ron Moten Man, Man, we all know the story. He

1553
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 5: knows my voice, you know. I mean, what can I say?

1554
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 5: We're talking about an institution here, that's a no brainer.

1555
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 5: Raising gentlemen. What did the gentlemen just say crime stopped

1556
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 5: when just doing it at a concert? Okay, So that

1557
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 5: tells you something right there. Okay, maybe we should do

1558
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 5: this not only once a year in terms of honoring him,

1559
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 5: giving him a post office. All right, why don't we

1560
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 5: have a Chuck Brown Day? All right? And then crime

1561
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 5: was stopping DC. Something has to happen. We're having some

1562
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 5: serious issues at all. These little white these little metro

1563
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:00,040
Speaker 5: stations and things of that nature. Fought when check what

1564
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 5: was here? Where the kids that they would have to

1565
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 5: just go and join themselves and things of that nature. Okay,

1566
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 5: so it's also the Obama factor. You criticize those who

1567
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 5: are three times better than you, all right, now, yeah,

1568
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,560
Speaker 5: I'm in this thing. There's a reason for the criticism,

1569
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 5: all right. You just criticize them because you have no

1570
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 5: other reason, all right to criticize something. I'm gonna get

1571
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 5: that on the way home. If you don't like somebody,

1572
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 5: you're going to criticize him and create an atmosphere that

1573
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 5: directs that is a record told that individual is that

1574
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 5: he's doing something wrong. But that's not true. And then

1575
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 5: you just combolorate the people to thinking the reason you're

1576
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 5: criticizing him because he thinks he's not exempt from criticism.

1577
01:28:54,960 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 5: He just minded his business being what and entertainer doing

1578
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 5: what he does best in society. The people wanted him,

1579
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 5: and he responded to and well here I am. That's boogie.

1580
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 5: That's all I got to say. An institution, ladies and gentlemen.

1581
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 5: He got a park, all right, appreciated. Man, I'm gonna

1582
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 5: get back to my oat mill. I didn't go in,

1583
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 5: but I had to. Everybody take it all.

1584
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 1: Right, Ronn, you want to respond to anything that TM

1585
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: just said.

1586
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 3: Like I said, Chuck Brown, this shouldn't be a problem

1587
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 3: the guy, Yes, he did make a peaceful in DC. Uh.

1588
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 3: If you if you look at the Bible, many of

1589
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 3: the people who God used to come back and change

1590
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 3: the world for people who were given second chances, and

1591
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 3: if many of these people consider themselves godly, if they

1592
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 3: portrayed themselves. I just don't understand how you're gonna give

1593
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 3: a man who's come back and showed the world that

1594
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 3: you can take a bad thing and make it a

1595
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 3: good thing and then do something to empower over several

1596
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 3: hundred thousand people in one area, and then he's not

1597
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 3: worthy of being named on building having the building named

1598
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 3: after him. I just I just don't understand the hypocrisy here.

1599
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 3: I mean, we had people put their names on buildings everywhere,

1600
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 3: and one to question that. But you know, people respect

1601
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 3: the process and it's keep it moving. And I think

1602
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 3: that's what should happen with Chuck Brown. I mean, the

1603
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 3: will of the people that spoke is something that the

1604
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 3: people in Washington, DC want, So why not nobody from

1605
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 3: out of town goes to their post office. Those people

1606
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 3: from the District of Columbia go to their post one.

1607
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 2: Well, the build was removed, like they said, due to

1608
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 2: concerns over Chuck Brown's pads, and the bill was Hr

1609
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 2: four eight nine, introduced by Representative Eleanor Holmes Norton, and

1610
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 2: they removed it, which means it still could come back

1611
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 2: to the floor, doesn't it. And maybe a petition from

1612
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 2: the people could help reignite that concern. Am I right

1613
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 2: about it or what do you think?

1614
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 3: I totally agree that might be something good that we

1615
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 3: can do. I might think about that today. I think

1616
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:29,759
Speaker 3: competition from the people could do that. I think that

1617
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:34,680
Speaker 3: we should consider that. But I just think that to

1618
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 3: a broad of life and bigger picture, this is why

1619
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 3: DC needs to become a state. Like I said one time,

1620
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:45,600
Speaker 3: I wasn't crazy about it. You know, either way. But

1621
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 3: now I just really see why it's so important for

1622
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 3: DC to be a state, because as.

1623
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 1: Right there, Fellas step aside and get caught up on

1624
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: the traffic weather at different cities when we come back, though.

1625
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: Is that a law? Maybe Kevin can help. If you

1626
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: were a convicted felon, you can't have a federal building

1627
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:07,879
Speaker 1: named after you. Family, just checking in. The Republican Committee

1628
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 1: has decided not to allow Washington d C. Congressman to

1629
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 1: name rename post office in honor of Chuck Brown, the

1630
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 1: godfather of Go Go? What are your thoughts? Eight hundred

1631
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 1: four to five zero seventy eight seventy six gets you in.

1632
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: We'll taking calls after the trafficking weather listen, name and

1633
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 1: ground rising family. Thanks for staying with us on this

1634
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 1: Monday morning. Thanks for starting the week with us, our guest.

1635
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 1: Right now, we pulled in Ron Moten to help us

1636
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on with this plan, or at

1637
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 1: least plan seems gone awry to name a post office

1638
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 1: in Northeast DC for Chuck Brown, and the Republican Committee

1639
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: of Fellas shot it honor Fellas, but the Panels shot

1640
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 1: it down, claiming that it shouldn't be because Chuck was

1641
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 1: a convicted felon and before I left for the Affrican

1642
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: weather webpdate. My question to both Kevin and Ron was

1643
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:54,600
Speaker 1: is there a law, is a federal law that you

1644
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: can't name a federal building after someone after a convicted felon.

1645
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 1: We know one convicted felon. It's got what thirty two

1646
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: four convictions? They wants to name everything after them. So Kevin,

1647
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: did you check that out?

1648
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, According to Google Public Space DC code nine

1649
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 2: dash two oh four point five, and it says a

1650
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:23,599
Speaker 2: convicted murderer could potentially have a building named after them

1651
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 2: in d C and requiring that they're at least two

1652
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 2: plus years deceased with exceptions and it's However, it's highly

1653
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:38,839
Speaker 2: unlikely for public spaces due to naming laws naming public

1654
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 2: spaces for recently deceased persons unless they are high profile

1655
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 2: officials such as presidents, VPS, senators, REPS, mayors, or council members.

1656
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 2: And now private buildings have no specific laws preventing naming

1657
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 2: a private building like an apartment complex or an office

1658
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 2: building after any one regardless of their criminal history, as

1659
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 2: long as it's a private decision, now public sentiment if

1660
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 2: legally possible. The public outcry or ethical considerations would make

1661
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 2: it extremely difficult for government bodies such as the Congress

1662
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 2: to approve naming something after her convicted murderer, especially if

1663
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 2: the crime was recent or very heinous crime. And so

1664
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 2: the short answer after all of that is, yes, a

1665
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 2: convicted murderer it can be eligible to have his name,

1666
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,839
Speaker 2: his or her name placed on a building.

1667
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 12: Now, Ron, go ahead, Ron, I was gonna say, this

1668
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 12: is interested in me that so much energy is put

1669
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 12: on to stop this, but we not stopped them.

1670
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 3: The statues being reinstalled in the nation's capital and around

1671
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 3: a country of people who killed so many people who

1672
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 3: terrorized communities and hard working people who only wanted to

1673
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 3: just lived the American dream or so called American dream.

1674
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 3: He had no problem putting those statues up. But here

1675
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 3: we are today and there's a big build in having

1676
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 3: a building named doctor man who's done so much for

1677
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 3: our community. And and you know, he made a mistake.

1678
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 3: He did time he came home, she depended. He serviced

1679
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 3: community well for decades, and he left something behind that

1680
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 3: that we still treasure to this day, and we will

1681
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 3: treasuring when all of us are gone. So I mean

1682
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:43,759
Speaker 3: e that doesn't meet the mark. I guess we should

1683
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,839
Speaker 3: just stop naming buildings after people in his entirety.

1684
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 2: Well, imagine if you will that. You know, I've never

1685
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 2: been in Congress or any of that, but Eleanor Holmes

1686
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 2: Norton presented the bill. Isn't it in the presentation as well?

1687
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 2: I mean she may have to have, you know, across

1688
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 2: the across the aisle to make some amends and make

1689
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 2: some trades. She may have had to have presented or

1690
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 2: filibustered in Congress about it. And sometimes that process can

1691
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 2: also be a cause for things because they remove the

1692
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 2: bill not necessarily. And this is just my humble opinion.

1693
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 2: Removing the bill isn't the same as saying they can't

1694
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 2: revisit it. It's just a matter of how it's presented.

1695
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 2: Am I right about it? Or what do you think

1696
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 2: about that? Ron No?

1697
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 3: I totally agree. I think that they still can, you know,

1698
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 3: possibly bring it back up and approve it. But but

1699
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 3: you know, this is not my biggest fight, right man.

1700
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:54,640
Speaker 3: I just think it's not the right thing, you know

1701
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. My biggest fight is making sure young

1702
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 3: people know who Chuck Brown is. With a museum in DC,

1703
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 3: public schools and places like that, learning about here, even

1704
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 3: learning about this instance and why you don't make a mistake,

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Speaker 3: because if you got any melan in your skin, it's

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Speaker 3: going to hell against you for the rest of your life.

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01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 3: So I always tell people like, you know, you have

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01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that go around and make mistakes

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01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 3: and they carry with strikes, and like, this's something to

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Speaker 3: be proud of. Always tell young people Listen, I touched

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01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:30,680
Speaker 3: the store. It was hot. You ain't got to touch it.

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Speaker 3: Just know that this is what you go to in

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01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 3: America when you make a chance. Just like I teach

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Speaker 3: them the Constitution, you know, which is the thirteenth Amendment,

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01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 3: which means if you commit a crime in America, you

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01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:46,640
Speaker 3: can still be enslaved legally a volunteer. Certain should not

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01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 3: be ford a fund a man unless duly convicted of

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Speaker 3: a crime. So we can use this moment as a

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01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 3: way to educate young people, to show them that in

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Speaker 3: America there's no room for ear. You cannot make mistakes.

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Speaker 3: She must get educated, you know. Chuck Brown took the

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Speaker 3: long way. Chuck Brown went to prison, learned how to

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01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 3: play his guitar in prison, then came home and used

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Speaker 3: his guard given talents to change the world. Yeah, a

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Speaker 3: long time ago.

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Speaker 2: Isn't Is eleanor Holmes Norton involved in your Go Go

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Speaker 2: museum or can you reach out to her so that

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01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:31,599
Speaker 2: you can magnify this Chuck Brown building naming? I mean

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Speaker 2: there are other buildings.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I haven't no she. I mean she supported

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01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 3: what we do, but she's not really involved with our

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01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 3: Go Go museum. But she you know, she's been a

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Speaker 3: fan of Chuck Brown and the music and the culture

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01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 3: since I've known her. She's come to the groundbreaking of

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Speaker 3: the museum. You know. Uh, And like I said, this

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01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 3: is what issue. We have a lot of bigger issues

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01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 3: that fish to fry in d C. It's just a

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01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 3: travesty that people self imposed their self on the will

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01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:13,599
Speaker 3: of the people of DC. That's the broader problem. So

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01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 3: it's a Chuck Brown naming today. The question is what

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01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 3: is it tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying?

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01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 1: Bigger right, because we've got doctor Tyren powece on deck

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01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 1: waiting for us and it's a been real patient for us.

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01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 1: Ten alf the top there run the Go Go Museum, Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. Where is it? Do you have a website

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01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 1: or email address Hocker folks find out more information.

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01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,719
Speaker 3: Yes, they can go to www. Go Go Museum Cafe

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Speaker 3: dot com. We are the only days that we're closing

1750
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 3: on Sundays and Mondays, and we have a cafe, and

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Speaker 3: we have sixteen wonderful interacting exhibits. Some of them are

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Speaker 3: Ai Powerer hologram exhibits that the only of a museum

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01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 3: that were going in the country right now. The half

1754
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 3: of it's a Jewish Holocaust mugam. So the Go Go

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01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 3: Museum as a top flight museum in historic Anacostia and

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01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 3: build from the people bottom up. Therefore, we didn't have

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01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 3: to have nobody tell us what the name could be

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01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 3: and what we can do. But if the people don't

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01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 3: support it, there won't be no Go Go Museum. So

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01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 3: come out and support your own support something that came

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Speaker 3: from the people for the people. Buy the people with

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01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 3: the people. So an the concert has over three hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty four black billage businesses in the in the

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Speaker 3: in the corridor are in buildings, their store frets, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Come and visit what makes America great? Hi, the Black experience.

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Speaker 3: You all have a blessed all right?

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Speaker 1: Thanks Ron, Ron Morton from the Go Go Museum and

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Speaker 1: watching DC A conversation about that they're shooting down in

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01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 1: a temper started by conversing with Elma Holmes Norton to

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Speaker 1: rename a post office in a Chuck Brown, the godfather

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Speaker 1: of Go Go. As I mentioned this, it's ten alf

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Speaker 1: the top now, Doctor Tyro Palace grind Rising, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the program.

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Speaker 4: Thank you and thank you for having me. I've enjoyed

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Speaker 4: listening to the conversation you were just having or the discussion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're about the Go Go Museum about Congress. I

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Speaker 1: guess that's another reason why DC should become a state,

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01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 1: help us outre civically. Is that possible? Do you think

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Speaker 1: that's the possibility that DC could become a state or

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01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:19,799
Speaker 1: is always going to be a federal district?

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Speaker 14: Well, I think it can. It's an evolutionary process. And

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01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 14: we've talked about this before everything and it's really what

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01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 14: I got a great education on an extended educational When

1784
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 14: our works counter intelligence and counter terrorism with the FBI,

1785
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 14: everything is strategically in place, so there are steps you

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01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 14: have to put in place to create the kind of

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01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,800
Speaker 14: pressure and the kind of attention. It has to be consistent,

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01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 14: and it has to be some perseverance involved, but there

1789
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Speaker 14: has to be some strategy put in place to.

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Speaker 4: Get that done.

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Speaker 14: And even with what you were just talking about, the

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Speaker 14: naming of buildings and locations, that strategic too. I mean,

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01:41:56,439 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 14: you've got Dallas Airport, and everybody know that Alan John

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01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:05,800
Speaker 14: Foster Dollas created over through governments, killed people, led to assassinations,

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Speaker 14: helped an assistant in the assassination of Patrice Lamumba, and

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Speaker 14: so I think in our process of making our arguments

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01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 14: for these things, we have to let people know that

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01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 14: we're intelligent enough to know that there are things named

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Speaker 14: for people who are involved in horrific, genocidal almost crimes,

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Speaker 14: because I don't think anyone would deny now, even if

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Speaker 14: they're a congress person. They damage that the Dellas brothers

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Speaker 14: cause in everywhere from the Congo to every continent in

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Speaker 14: Africa to what they tried to do in Cuba and

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Speaker 14: this nation in South America. But yet there's an airport

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01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 14: name for them. And in the case of the Deubas

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01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 14: International Airport, it's named for them in spite of the

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01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 14: fact that we have BWI fairgud Marshall. But the Bwi's

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01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 14: before third good Marshall, Doallas and Reagae nationals have the

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Speaker 14: name of these people first. And in our particular case,

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01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 14: consistent with our history in this nation, we've got bwis

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Speaker 14: that if their good Marshall b Wi, we've got Bwi

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Speaker 14: their good marshals. So even in the name of that

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01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,120
Speaker 14: airport and the strict chief strategy it took to even

1814
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 14: get his name up there, it's kind of subjugated. And

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01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,639
Speaker 14: then when you hear people talk about that airport, they'll

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Speaker 14: say b Wi because it's not the same as putting

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Speaker 14: the name first. And so there's some strategies that have

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Speaker 14: to put in place in history that we have to know,

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01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 14: and then some arguments that we have to make before

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Speaker 14: legislative groups and before others that would what would allow

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Speaker 14: us to talk about historical comparisons. And then I think

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01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 14: we can get the momentum where people will say, if

1823
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 14: this can happen, then why can't this happen if we

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01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:40,799
Speaker 14: have this airport named that the people who are essentially

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01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 14: wrecked the world, And then we're still dealing with the

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Speaker 14: athembat of that and pe places like the Congo where

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Speaker 14: there's wars going on now based on what the Devils

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Speaker 14: brothers there with the Belgians and killing patrisea movement destroying

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Speaker 14: that country. It's in the middle of a not only

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Speaker 14: a health or starvation crisis, but not only in the

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Speaker 14: middle of a civil war, not only of the middle

1832
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Speaker 14: of sexual violence and mass violence. But it's still all

1833
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Speaker 14: that goes back to the Trumaniz and Howard Kennedy administration

1834
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 14: and the Douvist brothers, and yet they got an airport

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Speaker 14: named after them. So I think we have to let

1836
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Speaker 14: people know what we know when we know it. When

1837
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 14: we make these arguments have to be strategic arguments, and

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01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 14: they have to be done in a fashion that they

1839
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 14: understand that we understand why this should be done, why

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01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 14: this could can be done, and why it has been

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01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 14: done in spite of the petty or the regulations that

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01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 14: they put in place to say it can't be done

1843
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:38,920
Speaker 14: because of this. I think that's so important everything I

1844
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 14: think that we do, and I talk to my students

1845
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 14: about this all the time, and then we'll get further

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01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 14: into it today in our conversation.

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Speaker 4: It has to be strategy.

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Speaker 14: Emotion is an extraordinary major asset. Were all emotional because

1849
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 14: they're human beings. It's difficult for human beings not to

1850
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 14: have emotions, but we have to add a strategy to that,

1851
01:44:58,360 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 14: and there have to be people in place that under

1852
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 14: stay in the psychological makeup of human beings so that

1853
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 14: we can put strategies in place to get us advocates

1854
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 14: that help us move towards whatever goal we're trying to achieve.

1855
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:15,639
Speaker 14: And that's the importance and significance of education. We discussed

1856
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 14: over and over on your program and on other programs.

1857
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:21,280
Speaker 14: If we are ever to change anything in this nation

1858
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 14: in terms of our community and the things we want,

1859
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 14: the people we want in leadership, is going to start

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01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 14: with education. The educational institutes are the done rightly, are

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01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:37,600
Speaker 14: the best anti crime, anti ignorance, anti violence institutions that

1862
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:40,680
Speaker 14: we have, and in some places we have control of them.

1863
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 14: But I don't think we recognize what the boys said

1864
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 14: when he said that educators are like brain surgeons. They

1865
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 14: must be experts in their field because they have the

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01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,120
Speaker 14: possibility of changing the nation. Nelson Mandela said the same thing,

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01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 14: the student of the Honorableloji Muhammad and Malcolm X said

1868
01:45:56,040 --> 01:46:00,200
Speaker 14: the exact same thing. And we seem to make more

1869
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:04,679
Speaker 14: emotional moves that we do strategic moves, and strategic moves

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Speaker 14: require some education.

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Speaker 1: All right, family, I guess they've just haven't figured out yet.

1872
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 1: It's former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers. You got a

1873
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 1: question for Doctor Powers about any issue, Just reach out

1874
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Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight to seventy six into us favorite. Call up a

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01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 1: couple of French and tell them Doctor Powers is on

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Speaker 1: the radio. They'll appreciate It'll learn something today about the

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01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 1: airport's been all the three of those airports. And just

1879
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 1: notice what he mentioned that Thirdod Marshall bwi Edrew, the

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Speaker 1: one in in Baltimore, that his name is second. White

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01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: guys their names are first. I wonder how many people

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Speaker 1: that you know knew that lot myself. We've been through

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01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 1: all these airports and never really took you know, it

1884
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 1: just you know, just never noticed it. But thank you

1885
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Speaker 1: for sharing that with us, Doctor Powers. Listen, we got

1886
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 1: to take a step aside for a few moments. When

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Speaker 1: we come back though, Doctor Powers, I want to get

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Speaker 1: to your thoughts on what's going on with this, the

1889
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:56,680
Speaker 1: shooting down of these these alleged drug boats around Venezuela.

1890
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Speaker 1: I want to get to your thoughts on how it's

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01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:01,880
Speaker 1: going down and also the aftermath, because now it seems

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01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 1: people it seems to changing the having amnesia what went on,

1893
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:06,479
Speaker 1: and they're trying to cover up for folks. I want

1894
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:08,759
Speaker 1: to get you with your thoughts on that. Family YouTube

1895
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 1: can join our conversation with doctor Tyrone Powers. Just reach

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01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:13,400
Speaker 1: out to us an eight hundred four to five zero

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01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

1898
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us

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Speaker 1: on this Monday morning, and thank you sewing a week

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Speaker 1: with us. Are twenty minutes after the top of that guest,

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01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:26,839
Speaker 1: the former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Palace. So, doctor Powers,

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01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 1: the question is what do you see what's going down

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01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:32,760
Speaker 1: and these attached on these so called drug boats near Venezuela.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, clearly, I think I don't think anybody would

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01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 14: would would disagree. Any logical person looking at the laws

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01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 14: of this particular nation or the international community or the

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01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:47,120
Speaker 14: e win that these are not only illegal and constitutional,

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01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 14: but acts of acts of war. Obviously you want to

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01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,800
Speaker 14: do which is interesting, but we can talk about that too.

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Speaker 14: We want to do some some drug interdiction. You want

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Speaker 14: to keep drugs from out of this particular nation. But

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Speaker 14: I think I mentioned to you one time before. It's

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Speaker 14: a quick aside, and I was working and as a

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Speaker 14: special agent with the FBI working against international drug organizations.

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Speaker 14: In fact, I actually work the Freeway Ricky Ross case,

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Speaker 14: which is the youngmen in California work with the CIA

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Speaker 14: to bring drugs into the particular nation. When you work

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Speaker 14: in these particular cases, you clearly understand that there are

1919
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Speaker 14: two sides to that particular coin. That there are people

1920
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Speaker 14: who benefit from drugs coming into the nation, and some

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Speaker 14: of them were in positions of power, and there's other

1922
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Speaker 14: people who are clearly harmed by that. And you also

1923
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Speaker 14: understand that this nation has an extreme addiction problem. So

1924
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Speaker 14: they are always going to be people trying to get

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Speaker 14: drugs here. And that's why I'm going to get back

1926
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Speaker 14: to how we prevent that. But there are always people

1927
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Speaker 14: who are going to try to bring here. Like I

1928
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Speaker 14: said before, fifty two percent of all the cocaine in

1929
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Speaker 14: the entire world, not in this nation, but in the

1930
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Speaker 14: entire world, has consumed the United States of America. So

1931
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 14: we are a nation of that. We are a market

1932
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Speaker 14: that people know that people want to escape their reality,

1933
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 14: whether it's through alcohol or drugs or some other substance.

1934
01:49:07,439 --> 01:49:11,479
Speaker 14: People in this country are more likely to want to

1935
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:14,599
Speaker 14: escape their reality through substance than they are to change

1936
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:19,400
Speaker 14: their reality through policy practices and protests. And so because

1937
01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 14: we are such an addicted nation. And what I mean

1938
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 14: is not only addiction in terms of illegal drugs, but

1939
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Speaker 14: legal drugs. Every commercial you see on the evening, it's

1940
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Speaker 14: talking about some drugs. You've got talent A one, Talent

1941
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Speaker 14: now two, chal and Aw three, kalan Aw, Migraine, night time, gaytime,

1942
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Speaker 14: coal medicine. But in reality, and I'm not saying that

1943
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:40,960
Speaker 14: those things don't have their benefit, but the reality of

1944
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:44,880
Speaker 14: the matter is that every single day what has sold

1945
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Speaker 14: to us and especially to the minds of our children,

1946
01:49:47,320 --> 01:49:49,920
Speaker 14: who are not as mature as we are and cannot

1947
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Speaker 14: discern what is being said like we can.

1948
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Speaker 4: As if for.

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Speaker 14: Any single problem you have, for any ache and pain,

1950
01:49:56,439 --> 01:50:00,760
Speaker 14: for any discomfort, drugs is a solution. And alcohol and

1951
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 14: cocaine and heroin are drugs that to some extent allow

1952
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 14: people to escape their reality rather than change their reality

1953
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 14: in reality. When I was working when I was working

1954
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 14: with the FBI and we were doing drug contradiction. We

1955
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:18,520
Speaker 14: knew that crack cocaine had been actually manufactured and presented

1956
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Speaker 14: and developed in certain countries in Peru and Bolivia so

1957
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 14: that they could have a wider audience. Here cocaine was

1958
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:29,680
Speaker 14: actually a drug for their relatively wealthy because at that

1959
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Speaker 14: point when I was working these cases, and also cocaine

1960
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 14: was two thousand dollars between the average person.

1961
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Speaker 4: Couldn't buy it.

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Speaker 14: So they came up with this concept of creating crack

1963
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Speaker 14: at ten dollars a pop that everybody could afford. And

1964
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 14: they realized that once they got people addicted, they would

1965
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Speaker 14: get the same amount they would get for the high

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Speaker 14: costing drug like the ounce of cocaine. Because once people

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01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 14: are addicted, they would rob their mother, they would sell

1968
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Speaker 14: their bodies, they would sell their families out in order

1969
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:58,120
Speaker 14: to get high because they were addicted, addicted.

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Speaker 4: Addiction is so strong.

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Speaker 14: So we've already knew that, and the reality of the

1972
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 14: matter is that there was any sincerity to this Historically,

1973
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 14: then a long time ago, this nation would have dealt

1974
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,439
Speaker 14: with Bolivia and Peru where crack cocaine was invented, made

1975
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Speaker 14: and transported, rather than helping those particular countries transport that

1976
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:20,360
Speaker 14: drug into communities, into black communities, as we now know

1977
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,559
Speaker 14: from the history and the documents to be released not

1978
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 14: only by people outside the government, by.

1979
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Speaker 4: People inside the government.

1980
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Speaker 14: So to say that we could use military force that

1981
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 14: we use against nations that you have actually declared warn

1982
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:37,719
Speaker 14: and again, Congress is the only entity that can declare war,

1983
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:40,719
Speaker 14: that declare war. To say you can use that method

1984
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:44,200
Speaker 14: to stop these drugs coming into this nation, and it's

1985
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 14: a very noble thing, is to ignore all the history

1986
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 14: of what we did with Bolivia and Peru, allowing crack

1987
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 14: in the communities, allowing through a Ricky Rosso I had

1988
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 14: a conversation with to put drugs into our community. This

1989
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 14: is a whole nother agenda.

1990
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Speaker 4: This is a gender.

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Speaker 14: Is this president and this administration going after every nation

1992
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:07,680
Speaker 14: in the world who does not bow down to this

1993
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 14: administration and this president, then they would do it under

1994
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:12,640
Speaker 14: our species of fighting the drug war. But if we

1995
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 14: truly were interested in an interdiction turning those boats around,

1996
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:20,639
Speaker 14: I mean, even Kennedy during the Cuban missile crisis said

1997
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:23,920
Speaker 14: I'm gonna put a blockade up to keep Russian ships

1998
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:26,559
Speaker 14: from going into Cuba. He didn't say I'm a bomb

1999
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 14: Russian ships or bomb people who are bringing nuclear weapons,

2000
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 14: not drugs, but bringing nuclear weapons into Cuba. Even his

2001
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:37,000
Speaker 14: solution was, but we can't fire upon these particular boats

2002
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 14: bringing these items to Cuba to set up nuclear weapons.

2003
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 14: We at least got to set up a blockade, set

2004
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 14: up another method of stopping them from being successful, rather

2005
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:52,280
Speaker 14: than doing extra jurisdictional or judicial assassinations and killings and

2006
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:53,800
Speaker 14: then second bombing to them.

2007
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Speaker 4: So there's a whole lot to that.

2008
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Speaker 14: But here's the other thing I would say about that, Carl,

2009
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:02,600
Speaker 14: is that we don't have a strong voice in the

2010
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Speaker 14: Congression of Black Caucus or other people other legislative, state, local,

2011
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:09,720
Speaker 14: national because it could be despite this being such a

2012
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 14: horrific use of power and force which has nothing to

2013
01:53:14,120 --> 01:53:18,439
Speaker 14: do with interdicting and changing the drug culture, this is

2014
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:21,720
Speaker 14: an opportunity for us to highlight the issues of the

2015
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:25,600
Speaker 14: drug culture in our community. So if this president is

2016
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 14: saying we're doing this to keep drugs off the streets

2017
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Speaker 14: of our cities, this is our time for us to

2018
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Speaker 14: raise our voice to talk about other methods, techniques, and tactics.

2019
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Speaker 14: It would keep our young people from using drugs and

2020
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Speaker 14: participating in the drug trade using that momentum, which is

2021
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:41,920
Speaker 14: a lie in our favor.

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Speaker 4: And this is why I always talk about.

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01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:47,720
Speaker 14: Strategies in these particular situations. Again, we have an addicted nation.

2024
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:49,519
Speaker 14: This is the time for us to talk about the

2025
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 14: fact that fifty two percent of all the cocaine in

2026
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:54,840
Speaker 14: the world is consumed here, That we have heroin from

2027
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:58,559
Speaker 14: Afghanistan on the streets of Baltimore and Washington, DC, when

2028
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:01,519
Speaker 14: we don't have any planes sleep believe in Afghanistan and

2029
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 14: coming to the United States. And now even he's even

2030
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 14: got a policy to keep Ascanian Afghanistan refugees because of

2031
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 14: the shooting in DC, out of this particular country. This

2032
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:15,600
Speaker 14: is a time for us to have that broader conversation. Sometimes,

2033
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 14: if you've ever been in the court, sometimes a judge

2034
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:23,120
Speaker 14: won't allow a witness to testify to certain things unless

2035
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:26,439
Speaker 14: the other side open it up, and the judge will say, well,

2036
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:31,000
Speaker 14: it's allowed now because you've opened that conversation. So while

2037
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:36,800
Speaker 14: we are addressing this particular extra judicial and extra jurisdictional conversation,

2038
01:54:37,200 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 14: this war like behavior, and we already know the origin

2039
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:43,120
Speaker 14: of it. It's not really to stop drugs from entering

2040
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:46,120
Speaker 14: into the country, but let's use that momentum in our

2041
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 14: favor and begin to have wider discussions. So this is

2042
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:50,720
Speaker 14: when the leadership of the Congression of Black Caucus or

2043
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:56,120
Speaker 14: any caucuses or other political leaders, whether they're local mayors, legislators,

2044
01:54:56,160 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 14: people at colleges and universities, HBCUs, this is our opportunity. Okay,

2045
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:03,840
Speaker 14: you want to have this conversation. We've got some things

2046
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 14: to say too. In the midst of.

2047
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:12,000
Speaker 4: Still addressing the the war like and the illegal, unconstitutional

2048
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:17,960
Speaker 4: and violation of you in regulations which is happening with

2049
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 4: these bombing of these these ships coming out of Venezuela

2050
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 4: without any due process, without any evidence to say we

2051
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 4: know drugs on these boat. Even if you even when

2052
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:31,200
Speaker 4: we do police raids in the United States and drug

2053
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:34,160
Speaker 4: houses technically we know it doesn't always happen there violations

2054
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 4: of the law.

2055
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,600
Speaker 14: You have to justify how you know what you know?

2056
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:40,600
Speaker 14: What intelligence do you have to say there's drugs on

2057
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 14: that boat, that this drug that this individual is heading

2058
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 14: from here, and if you're going to get the boat

2059
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:49,760
Speaker 14: in the middle of the ocean, why not tell us

2060
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:52,240
Speaker 14: the routes has taken How you know what you know?

2061
01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:54,440
Speaker 14: Where did you get this information from. Is that from

2062
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 14: the Central.

2063
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:58,000
Speaker 4: Intelligence Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency?

2064
01:55:58,280 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 14: Is it from the FBI? It should be entities and

2065
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,920
Speaker 14: people in positions of power demanding more information on how

2066
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 14: this occurre. Is not just asking, but demanding more information

2067
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 14: on how this recurre and law seats in the court.

2068
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,360
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes after the top of that, that guest doctor

2069
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 1: Taron Powers, Doctor pos, I want to talk to you

2070
01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:20,240
Speaker 1: about the Ricky Ross effort, because you know, some people know,

2071
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:22,360
Speaker 1: when I know everybody knows. He actually broke that story.

2072
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:25,400
Speaker 1: His brother David would call out station just every day

2073
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:27,600
Speaker 1: just on exaggerating, but he called quite a little bit,

2074
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:30,040
Speaker 1: tell us my brother's innocence. He was framed. It was

2075
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 1: Blandon And one of these days he wanted to speak.

2076
01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:36,360
Speaker 1: Concerant Waters was on with us, and he wanted to

2077
01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:37,800
Speaker 1: speak to her, and you know, I let him speak

2078
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:39,240
Speaker 1: to her. This is off there and he told her.

2079
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:42,080
Speaker 1: She said okay. And then Dick Gregor calling again when

2080
01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:44,000
Speaker 1: Dick Gregor was on, and he talked about it again.

2081
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 1: At the same time, young man who's going back to

2082
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,440
Speaker 1: visiting la and going back to Santos, and he says,

2083
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:52,400
Speaker 1: its are right, and he calls and says, I'm going

2084
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:54,840
Speaker 1: to do that. Dick Gregory laid out a challenge so

2085
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:57,440
Speaker 1: that you know, you need an investigative journalist to do it.

2086
01:56:57,480 --> 01:56:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it, and that was Gary Webb.

2087
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:01,640
Speaker 1: We thought about it, you know, didn't think about too

2088
01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:03,640
Speaker 1: much back because okay, he's going to do it. Every

2089
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:05,400
Speaker 1: now and then he would send me a note or

2090
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:07,440
Speaker 1: call me and he said, I'm still working on that story.

2091
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:08,000
Speaker 2: You know.

2092
01:57:08,280 --> 01:57:11,160
Speaker 1: I met with David who was Ricky's brother, and he

2093
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:13,240
Speaker 1: got all the information about Blond Dawn and all this

2094
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:17,040
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So when he finally finished his first article,

2095
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:19,280
Speaker 1: he faxed me. The article was early in the morning.

2096
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:20,880
Speaker 1: Was they're like four o'clock in the morning. He says,

2097
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,840
Speaker 1: get this to Congressman Waters. The Democratic Convention was taking

2098
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 1: place in Chicago. We had one of our reporters there

2099
01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:29,080
Speaker 1: and I told her to go the standard fax machine

2100
01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:31,440
Speaker 1: and give me the number and get this to Congress

2101
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:33,920
Speaker 1: from Waters. And she's like, can you read Can I

2102
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:35,240
Speaker 1: read it? Before I give it to her? I said,

2103
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:37,240
Speaker 1: you can read it, but just forget what you what

2104
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 1: you read, because he was you know, this is the

2105
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:42,160
Speaker 1: first article. All these articles he did publishing The Santa

2106
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:45,040
Speaker 1: Jose Mercury News became dark lines. He put it in

2107
01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 1: a book. Anyway, that's how it got to congresmrom Waters.

2108
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:50,760
Speaker 1: This is how it all started. In fact, the CIA

2109
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 1: call up our radio stations told us they wanted to

2110
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:54,720
Speaker 1: meet with us. I didn't go to the meeting. Then

2111
01:57:54,760 --> 01:57:57,240
Speaker 1: they wanted to have a meeting with a community, and

2112
01:57:57,480 --> 01:58:00,080
Speaker 1: they tried to get me to come to that. The

2113
01:58:00,200 --> 01:58:02,360
Speaker 1: Coke used to be with us at the station at time,

2114
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:04,080
Speaker 1: and Cocha says, no, don't go because they it's going

2115
01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:06,360
Speaker 1: to try and use you guys to validate that they're

2116
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,960
Speaker 1: not bringing in the drugs into the country. So we

2117
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,160
Speaker 1: didn't go to that meeting either. But my question to you,

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Speaker 1: I'll say all that because you said you worked on this,

2119
01:58:13,160 --> 01:58:15,640
Speaker 1: because I know Ricky very well speak to them all

2120
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:18,200
Speaker 1: the time since he got out. But my question, at

2121
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:20,640
Speaker 1: what point did you find out that this country, this

2122
01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:22,840
Speaker 1: government was bringing drugs into our community?

2123
01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:25,440
Speaker 4: Well, I think there's no Listen, the.

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Speaker 14: Interesting thing about that, and I'm so glad you just

2125
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:35,760
Speaker 14: shaid what you said with the audience is that it

2126
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:38,760
Speaker 14: was kind of we've known that for a very long time.

2127
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:41,120
Speaker 14: If we go back and this is what I keep

2128
01:58:41,240 --> 01:58:43,800
Speaker 14: harping on this. This is the importance and significance of

2129
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:46,760
Speaker 14: our research and our education, and of course the research

2130
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:48,720
Speaker 14: and all that you all did, and what the book.

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Speaker 4: Did in the Dark Alliance.

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Speaker 14: Even during the Viep Now conflict, the CIA was supplying

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Speaker 14: soldiers with heroin because they thought they could better deal

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Speaker 14: with the horrific conditions that were in Viep Now when

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Speaker 14: you had a different kind of unconventional and guerrilla warfare.

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Speaker 14: They were actually in order to keep the troops fighting

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Speaker 14: because they had gotten this method from Adolf Hitler during

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Speaker 14: World War Two, where he put his soldiers on cocaine

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Speaker 14: to get a energy so they could fight all day

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Speaker 14: and all night. The CIA didn't.

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Speaker 4: Discourage that behavior. They said, well, if that makes better

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Speaker 4: soldiers or better fighters, we're actually.

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Speaker 14: Going to do the same thing in Vietnam. So the

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Speaker 14: philosophy the drugs can influence policy practices and destroy communities

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Speaker 14: have gone on a long time in this nation, and

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Speaker 14: was one of the first advocates of it was Adolf Hitler.

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Speaker 14: When they decided to put drugs what he thought was

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Speaker 14: mitigating the effectiveness of the fighting force in the United States.

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Speaker 4: He was going to put drugs into passe here in

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Speaker 4: the United.

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Speaker 14: States so that they could reduce the likelihood of when

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Speaker 14: we recruited people into the military they would be able

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Speaker 14: to fight because they wouldn't be drug free, but they

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Speaker 14: were going to put drugs. It would hinder their performance

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Speaker 14: rather than enhance their performance, which he believed that certain

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Speaker 14: drugs did for his particular soldiers doing World War Two

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Speaker 14: would had them go into battles and take on fire

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Speaker 14: and take on tanks and canyons because they were under

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Speaker 14: the influence of drugs. So we've known this for a

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Speaker 14: very long time. When I was in the FBI, I

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Speaker 14: was specifically a science to a group of agents in Cincinnati, Ohio,

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Speaker 14: and at that particular time they opened an investigation with

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Speaker 14: what they called the DEA Cask Force, which is a

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Speaker 14: group of FBI agents DEA agents, Global police officers, and

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Speaker 14: we worked the case in Cincinnati because the philosophy was

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Speaker 14: that the crack cocaine that was coming out of La

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Speaker 14: delivered through this CIA connection with Ricky Ross and others

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Speaker 14: with noun spreading across the nation, and they were targeting

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Speaker 14: these rolled areas. The area that they targeted in Cincinnati

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Speaker 14: was Lincoln Heights, which is outside of right outside of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 14: right across from the factory which makes the engine for

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Speaker 14: Air Force one. There's a small community called Lincoln Heights, Ohio,

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Speaker 14: which was essentially totally black. And at that time we

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Speaker 14: had gotten intelligence information that Ricky Ross was setting up

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Speaker 14: an operation in Cincinnati, or that his people were setting

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Speaker 14: up in operation, that it was going to be in

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Speaker 14: Lincoln Heights, Ohio. That they were using the residence of

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Speaker 14: this old man who was involved in was a pedophile.

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Speaker 14: And the reason they were using his house is because

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Speaker 14: they knew that he couldn't go to law enforce its

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Speaker 14: because he was abusing little young boys and young girls

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Speaker 14: or paying young boys and young girls to have sex

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Speaker 14: in front of him. So they realized that if we

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Speaker 14: use his residents, he couldn't go to the police because

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Speaker 14: he was involved in this type of behavior itself. So

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Speaker 14: we set up an entire operation in Lincoln Heights, Ohio.

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Speaker 14: The goal was to at that particular point. And I've

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Speaker 14: talked to Ricky Ross about this. Actually he called me

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Speaker 14: soon as he got out of prison and said he

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Speaker 14: had read my book in prison and the impact it

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Speaker 14: had on him. But any rate, he never showed up.

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Speaker 14: The fact of the matter is the drug operation was

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Speaker 14: still running out of the house. The idea was that

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Speaker 14: he would show up at some point and oversee the operation,

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Speaker 14: and he never showed up. And as the DA FBI

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Speaker 14: Task Force, we worked that particular case at that time,

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Speaker 14: and during a course of working that case, we recognized

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Speaker 14: and realized that the drugs that he was getting and

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Speaker 14: was able to transport across the nation. Because let me

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Speaker 14: just say something to you, it's not just the selling

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Speaker 14: of drugs to have the ability to transport drugs. We

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Speaker 14: know about the Cocaine Highway, which is from Miami, Florida,

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Speaker 14: all the way up to New York, which is how

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Speaker 14: drugs come in through Miami. They go up the Cocaine Highway.

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Speaker 14: All the law enforcement agencies watched ninety five from Miami

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Speaker 14: all the way up to New York.

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Speaker 4: Because that's considered cocaine. That's how drugs go up and

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Speaker 4: down the East Coast.

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Speaker 14: They use everything from senior citizens who have a fixed

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Speaker 14: income because senior citizens are not likely to be stopped,

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Speaker 14: so they give them a certain amount of money to

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Speaker 14: put drugs in the trunk. They said, you never have

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Speaker 14: to look at it. Drive this car from Florida to

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Speaker 14: New York, then take another car and come back down here.

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Speaker 14: You never have to look in the trunk. The police

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Speaker 14: are not likely to stop singior citizens, and if they

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Speaker 14: are likely to stop sing your citizens, they're not likely

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Speaker 14: to look in the trunk or vehicles and cars. We

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Speaker 14: all are familiar with that. But to transport drugs and

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Speaker 14: cocaine the way it was being done from a place

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Speaker 14: like Los Angeles, California, to Cincinnati, Ohio, to Cincinnati, Ohio,

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Speaker 14: which is from the West coast to the Midwest and

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Speaker 14: into the East coast, is a very intricate operation, and

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Speaker 14: you need more than just individuals who what we used

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Speaker 14: to call drug barys on the corner to carry that out.

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Speaker 14: So we knew it was more of a sophisticated operation,

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Speaker 14: that there had to be some people involved in it

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Speaker 14: who were very sophisticated. And then as you talked about

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Speaker 14: with Dark Alliance, when that came out, it all made sense.

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Speaker 14: But in reality, a lot of the groups that work drugs,

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Speaker 14: whether they were small sheriff departments or whether they were

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Speaker 14: DEAFBI Task Force or Violence Prime Task Force, kind of

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Speaker 14: knew that these people were being assisted by a greater entity,

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Speaker 14: and the drugs were such a major part of the

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Speaker 14: capitalist system of the United States of America that at

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Speaker 14: the same time we had to do the window dressing

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Speaker 14: of fighting drugs. There was no grand effort to stop

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Speaker 14: drugs from coming into the United States. It was actually

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Speaker 14: a major part of the economic development, which is why

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Speaker 14: Reagan used it in the Iran conscious scand who you know,

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Speaker 14: even with the drug market there back and forth, because

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Speaker 14: it was a part of way of getting things funded.

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Speaker 14: And if you could mainly keep it in communities of

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Speaker 14: people of color, then there was no nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor Palace, Although I got a bunch of questions

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Speaker 1: for you, especially with the freeway Ricky Ross family, you

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Speaker 1: want to join this conversation with I guess that former

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Speaker 1: FBON agent doctor turn Pals reached out to us at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seven. Sister

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Speaker 1: see Mark from Einheim sent a question for you as

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Speaker 1: well about the FBI. You can hear us again at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

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Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks are starting your weekly listen our guest doctor Tarum Powers,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Powers, as a retired FBI agent, saw the spookers

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Speaker 1: out of the door. Before we go back to him, though,

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Speaker 1: let me just remind you coming up, coming up this week,

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Speaker 1: we're going to have folks like civil rights activists Willy

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02:05:21,200 --> 02:05:24,280
Speaker 1: mukassa Rix who seemed Willie Rixy March with doctor King

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Speaker 1: John Lewis, Kwame Terray and all those folks. He's going

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Speaker 1: to be with us. Also, a natural padic doctor is

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Speaker 1: a natural and a medical doctor traditional doctor doctor a

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Speaker 1: will to also join us. And one of Malcolm's daughters,

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Speaker 1: actually his third daughter, doctor Yasha Shabaz, will be here

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Speaker 1: as well. And Professor May new one Pin from Contracosta

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Speaker 1: College out in northern California. We'll check in. So if

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Speaker 1: you're in Baltimore, make sure you RADI us lot in

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Speaker 1: tight on ten ten w LB. We're from the DMV

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Speaker 1: run fourteen fifty WL. So Doctor Powers, I'll let you

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Speaker 1: finish your thought.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, now, I was, I was, I was kind of

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Speaker 14: going back over that that history and what we've always

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Speaker 14: known in this particular issue. I remember when during the

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Speaker 14: Reagan administration when they asked Nancy Reagan a question and

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Speaker 14: it was her answer was so trite. They said, well,

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Speaker 14: how are you going to stop the drug trade?

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Speaker 4: And she said, just say no.

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Speaker 14: And what she was saying people took it as well,

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Speaker 14: that's not it a solution.

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Speaker 2: That's not.

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Speaker 14: What she was saying is that in this particular nation,

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Speaker 14: this nation that is addicted on drugs, the drug trade

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Speaker 14: is never going to stop. I don't care how many

2284
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Speaker 14: what which is not histruy purpose ships you a boat

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02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:37,080
Speaker 14: you bomb coming out of Venezuela, because this nation wants drugs.

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Speaker 14: And the only thing is back to the law of

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02:06:39,040 --> 02:06:42,960
Speaker 14: economics applying demand. And the only way you reduce the

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Speaker 14: likelihood of drugs being in this country or devastating or

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Speaker 14: destroying our communities, not only our communities, our families with

2290
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Speaker 14: domestic violence and everything else, is to keep our young people,

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Speaker 14: via the education system, well via education in general, from

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Speaker 14: ever using drugs. And what she was saying is, I

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Speaker 14: don't give it them. What you do, we don't get

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Speaker 14: drugs in this country. People were thinking that it was

2295
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:10,120
Speaker 14: a very milk toast kind of reply and solution that

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02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:12,400
Speaker 14: she was given. Where she was given you was truth

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Speaker 14: that unless you stopped the demand in this particular nation,

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Speaker 14: this nation, the capitalist system the economic system in this

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Speaker 14: nation all the way back to prohibition and alcohol and

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Speaker 14: how the Kennedys gained their wealth and then becoming presidents

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Speaker 14: and attorney generals of the United States. Was doing was

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Speaker 14: based on illicit substances, substances.

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Speaker 4: That were illegal. If they were legal, they couldn't have.

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Speaker 14: Built a fortune. So what she was saying that they're

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Speaker 14: always going to be drugs in this nation, and the

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Speaker 14: only likelihood of it not impacting our communities or changing

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Speaker 14: our conditions or adding to the prison industrial complex is

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Speaker 14: that if somehow we can convince young people to don't

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Speaker 14: escape their reality through alcohol and drugs, but to to

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Speaker 14: change their reality, as all those organizations that you and

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Speaker 14: I are familiar with calling that you have so many

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Speaker 14: guests or from, whether it was the Old SELC or

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Speaker 14: Snake or any of those other organizations were trying to do.

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Speaker 14: Those people weren't advocating the use of drugs to change

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Speaker 14: the reality. They were advocating the change in our community.

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Speaker 14: The Breakfast for Children program, or the Black Panther Party

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Speaker 14: for Self Defense, or what the Nation of Islam were

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Speaker 14: doing with the honorable Elijah Muhammas. None of those solutions

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Speaker 14: involved taking drugs. All those solutions involved being sober, and

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Speaker 14: in reality, those who have wanted us to either be

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Speaker 14: pitted against each other, whether organization and I'm talking about

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Speaker 14: put it against each other at every level, from the streets,

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Speaker 14: whether it's the crypts or the Bloods or the Black

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Speaker 14: Gorilla family, or the higher level where politicians are calling

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Speaker 14: each other name, or the mediums out where radio hosts

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Speaker 14: are so antagonistic towards each other. They always wanted us

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Speaker 14: to be divided. If we ever came up with a

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Speaker 14: common solution to a problem, as the student of Honorable

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Speaker 14: Elija Muhammad and Malcolm X used to say all the time,

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Speaker 14: then they were going to be in trouble in this,

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Speaker 14: in this in this particular nation.

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Speaker 1: All right, I hope you mentioned what he said. They're

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Speaker 1: always trying to divide us, and they're using groups right

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Speaker 1: now to do the same thing. It's fourteen after before

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Speaker 1: the top day. I got to ask you this though,

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Speaker 1: and I get criticized sometimes when I bring Ricky Ross

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Speaker 1: on the radio, because they blame anybody who's black persons

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Speaker 1: addicted all white cocaine is probably Ricky Ross. It's where

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Speaker 1: he started. He would be called the ray Kroc of

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Speaker 1: crack cocaine. Ray Kroc is a guy who met in

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Speaker 1: McDonald's at a McDonald's stand in San Diego, and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, now it's international. If you had a

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Speaker 1: crack in your community, would be Houston, Cleveland, whatever, Miami

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Speaker 1: is probably because of Ricky Ross. He had this network

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Speaker 1: set up. So my question to you, doctor Powers, did

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Speaker 1: the governor know about his network of getting the drugs

2347
02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:55,360
Speaker 1: out of LA all across the country or did they

2348
02:09:55,440 --> 02:09:57,040
Speaker 1: help him? How did that work out?

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Speaker 3: Do you know?

2350
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Speaker 1: Can he share that with us?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

2352
02:10:00,200 --> 02:10:00,800
Speaker 4: Unequivocally.

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Speaker 14: I mean, think about it, and and I and I

2354
02:10:03,240 --> 02:10:06,520
Speaker 14: and I don't this. This is not to mitigate the

2355
02:10:06,640 --> 02:10:10,040
Speaker 14: intelligence of a Ricky Ross or anyone else, but you

2356
02:10:10,160 --> 02:10:14,000
Speaker 14: can't put together that kind of operational apparatus, whether legal

2357
02:10:14,200 --> 02:10:22,320
Speaker 14: or illegal, without support structure, UH transport methods and routes,

2358
02:10:22,680 --> 02:10:25,840
Speaker 14: just like you do. The North i am defeated the

2359
02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:29,680
Speaker 14: South Yepese by having certain routes that they took because

2360
02:10:29,720 --> 02:10:32,440
Speaker 14: the US was bombing all these pathways and all. That

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02:10:32,600 --> 02:10:35,200
Speaker 14: takes a lot of strategic planning and it would take

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02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:39,080
Speaker 14: more than a freeway. Ricky. This doesn't mitigate the ability

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02:10:40,160 --> 02:10:43,000
Speaker 14: his ability or what he did or didn't and we

2364
02:10:43,240 --> 02:10:46,240
Speaker 14: we talked about that. We had a great conversation about that.

2365
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Speaker 14: And you can't have every conversation on the radio, but

2366
02:10:48,160 --> 02:10:50,520
Speaker 14: we had a great conversation about that. But you can't

2367
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:54,760
Speaker 14: mitigate the significant impact and role of the government. I mean,

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02:10:54,840 --> 02:10:56,640
Speaker 14: I said this to you before, and I and I

2369
02:10:56,840 --> 02:10:59,840
Speaker 14: and I would testify to this before any group or

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02:11:00,240 --> 02:11:03,040
Speaker 14: community or any entergy in a part of art. The

2371
02:11:03,120 --> 02:11:05,320
Speaker 14: reality of the matter is, in many cases, when I

2372
02:11:05,440 --> 02:11:08,920
Speaker 14: was working with the FBIDA Task Force, we knew people

2373
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:12,000
Speaker 14: were dealing drugs in the community, that supervisors would always

2374
02:11:12,040 --> 02:11:14,320
Speaker 14: come back and say, well, just let them keep dealing,

2375
02:11:14,480 --> 02:11:16,840
Speaker 14: keep building cases so that when we get them they

2376
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:19,040
Speaker 14: can get twenty five to life. If we get them today,

2377
02:11:19,080 --> 02:11:21,520
Speaker 14: they may get probation because they've only been dealing about

2378
02:11:21,560 --> 02:11:24,360
Speaker 14: six months. So they let the dealing go ahead. They

2379
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:27,919
Speaker 14: let people become addicted, they let the drugs into the community,

2380
02:11:28,280 --> 02:11:31,920
Speaker 14: but they use the excuse or the reason that we're

2381
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:35,280
Speaker 14: trying to build a stronger case. And in reality, during

2382
02:11:35,320 --> 02:11:38,080
Speaker 14: the course of trying to build a straying the stronger case,

2383
02:11:38,160 --> 02:11:42,640
Speaker 14: more people were becoming addicted, young people, children, parents, involved

2384
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:46,480
Speaker 14: in domestic violence households and not conducive for living or learning,

2385
02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:50,320
Speaker 14: and students going to school without food, clothing, shelter, or

2386
02:11:50,400 --> 02:11:53,640
Speaker 14: their next meal because of the drug addiction in situations

2387
02:11:53,720 --> 02:11:57,960
Speaker 14: that could have been stopped and interceded and intercepted very

2388
02:11:58,120 --> 02:11:58,560
Speaker 14: early on.

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02:11:59,200 --> 02:12:02,160
Speaker 4: But then the philosophy was always, well, if we wait

2390
02:12:02,280 --> 02:12:05,520
Speaker 4: a year, he think that he's getting away with this.

2391
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:08,640
Speaker 4: He thinks that he's As I said before, that people

2392
02:12:08,720 --> 02:12:12,920
Speaker 4: were sending secret messages or codes through their phones, and

2393
02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:15,880
Speaker 4: all they had to go to the SCC satellite which

2394
02:12:16,040 --> 02:12:20,440
Speaker 4: was trans transcribed by the FCC and given to the FBI,

2395
02:12:20,640 --> 02:12:22,480
Speaker 4: so we knew what people were going before they. I

2396
02:12:22,520 --> 02:12:25,040
Speaker 4: don't care what secret code you put in. This is

2397
02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:26,480
Speaker 4: a nation of code breakers.

2398
02:12:26,560 --> 02:12:29,600
Speaker 14: They broke the German Cold during World War Two in

2399
02:12:29,800 --> 02:12:32,440
Speaker 14: order to think German submarines. And all of a sudden,

2400
02:12:32,560 --> 02:12:35,560
Speaker 14: you think that some street level dealer or some street

2401
02:12:35,640 --> 02:12:38,440
Speaker 14: that will persons got some secret code that can break

2402
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:42,880
Speaker 14: the ability of people who are experts and breaking ecryptions,

2403
02:12:42,920 --> 02:12:43,520
Speaker 14: who have been.

2404
02:12:43,480 --> 02:12:45,600
Speaker 4: Doing it since World War One and World War Two.

2405
02:12:45,960 --> 02:12:48,600
Speaker 4: You think that you are smarter than them.

2406
02:12:49,080 --> 02:12:51,040
Speaker 14: You are doing what they have allowed you to do.

2407
02:12:51,240 --> 02:12:54,400
Speaker 14: Because it's impacted a certain community greater than any other community,

2408
02:12:54,440 --> 02:12:56,520
Speaker 14: and certainly they're going to be arrest and they're gonna

2409
02:12:56,520 --> 02:13:01,080
Speaker 14: be mass arrests because the phosphaved of looking like we're

2410
02:13:01,160 --> 02:13:04,120
Speaker 14: fighting a drug war has to take place with their reality.

2411
02:13:04,960 --> 02:13:07,760
Speaker 14: The only time we began to become more serious and

2412
02:13:07,880 --> 02:13:11,000
Speaker 14: upset about this when this plague, which was supposed to

2413
02:13:11,040 --> 02:13:15,560
Speaker 14: stay in underserved black communities or communities of color or

2414
02:13:15,640 --> 02:13:18,920
Speaker 14: poor white communities, begin to go into other communities. Now

2415
02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:24,920
Speaker 14: we have opioid lawsuits and opiard concentration and focus has

2416
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:26,240
Speaker 14: always been a part.

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02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:26,520
Speaker 10: Of the plan.

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02:13:26,840 --> 02:13:28,120
Speaker 4: There's no greater.

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02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:33,680
Speaker 14: Way to stop the progress of black organizations, a black people,

2420
02:13:34,240 --> 02:13:38,360
Speaker 14: a black progress, than to enthuse them with substances that

2421
02:13:38,600 --> 02:13:41,200
Speaker 14: keep them from being sober at a time when they

2422
02:13:41,400 --> 02:13:44,000
Speaker 14: most need to be sober. They keep them from properly

2423
02:13:44,160 --> 02:13:48,280
Speaker 14: educating their children, or put children in households that are

2424
02:13:48,320 --> 02:13:53,400
Speaker 14: not conducive for living, learning or loving or making progress.

2425
02:13:53,560 --> 02:13:56,839
Speaker 14: If I take care, even if the child is not addicted,

2426
02:13:56,880 --> 02:13:59,200
Speaker 14: if I've got the mother and father who are addicted,

2427
02:13:59,560 --> 02:14:01,920
Speaker 14: then I control the future of that household, and I

2428
02:14:02,000 --> 02:14:05,280
Speaker 14: control the future of that community. And it's a very

2429
02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:07,880
Speaker 14: effective strategy. And whether we want to admit it or not.

2430
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:10,880
Speaker 14: We've got to admit that it has worked successfully because

2431
02:14:10,920 --> 02:14:13,120
Speaker 14: we haven't come up with a counter strategy, but I

2432
02:14:13,160 --> 02:14:16,680
Speaker 14: won't counter terrorism. One of my super advisors doing to

2433
02:14:16,760 --> 02:14:18,839
Speaker 14: come we were in he went back to the academy

2434
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:21,040
Speaker 14: to study of count of terrorism. He said, there's no

2435
02:14:21,320 --> 02:14:25,000
Speaker 14: need of us having a counter terrorism unit unless we

2436
02:14:25,120 --> 02:14:29,080
Speaker 14: completely understand terrorism. And there's no need of us having

2437
02:14:29,240 --> 02:14:34,200
Speaker 14: a counter philosophy to change in better our communities unless

2438
02:14:34,200 --> 02:14:36,080
Speaker 14: we understand how it was done in the first place.

2439
02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:39,680
Speaker 4: So that was the importance of having and interviewing and

2440
02:14:39,800 --> 02:14:42,480
Speaker 4: talking to a Ricky Ross or here in Baltimore or

2441
02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:43,160
Speaker 4: Little Melbourne.

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02:14:43,320 --> 02:14:47,879
Speaker 14: They did tremendous damage to our community, tremendous damage to families,

2443
02:14:48,040 --> 02:14:50,320
Speaker 14: but we can't hit rewind on that. What we can

2444
02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:54,560
Speaker 14: do is learn how they were used, what the process was,

2445
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:57,040
Speaker 14: what they did in the process, so we can count.

2446
02:14:57,160 --> 02:14:59,280
Speaker 14: We can be angry with them, but anger is in emotion,

2447
02:14:59,360 --> 02:15:02,160
Speaker 14: it's not a but at the same time we're angry

2448
02:15:02,240 --> 02:15:04,960
Speaker 14: with them, we've got to understand how it was done. Listen,

2449
02:15:05,120 --> 02:15:10,080
Speaker 14: after World War Two, the Pentagon, but in Nazi generals,

2450
02:15:10,200 --> 02:15:12,440
Speaker 14: one of them demanded to stay in his uniform and

2451
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:15,840
Speaker 14: where his arm crossed to work at CIA headquarters, so

2452
02:15:15,920 --> 02:15:19,960
Speaker 14: the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency could better understand how

2453
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:23,320
Speaker 14: the Germans built this massive war machine. So the people

2454
02:15:23,480 --> 02:15:26,280
Speaker 14: who were putting Jewish people in evans, who were killing

2455
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:29,320
Speaker 14: people across the world, we actually gave a job and

2456
02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:32,600
Speaker 14: let them stay in their Nazi uniforms here because the

2457
02:15:32,720 --> 02:15:37,400
Speaker 14: information they was despite their devastating, their devastation, despite how

2458
02:15:37,480 --> 02:15:40,400
Speaker 14: much damage they had, called the information that they were

2459
02:15:40,480 --> 02:15:43,360
Speaker 14: given was so valuable that we were willing to bring

2460
02:15:43,480 --> 02:15:45,520
Speaker 14: them in to get the information. So how can we

2461
02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:48,720
Speaker 14: not talk to a Ricky Ross or a Little Melvin

2462
02:15:48,840 --> 02:15:52,160
Speaker 14: or anyone else despite the devastation, And we're we're not

2463
02:15:52,480 --> 02:15:55,600
Speaker 14: mitigating the devastation they cost in the community. We're saying,

2464
02:15:56,040 --> 02:15:58,600
Speaker 14: if we can't hit, rewind on that. But if we

2465
02:15:58,680 --> 02:16:01,440
Speaker 14: are to prevent this going forward, we need all the

2466
02:16:01,600 --> 02:16:06,640
Speaker 14: intelligence strategies understanding of operations, systems and structures that we

2467
02:16:06,720 --> 02:16:09,600
Speaker 14: can get rather than just being angry. Because it's an emotion.

2468
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:12,000
Speaker 14: And like I said, anger is an emotion. We all

2469
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:14,480
Speaker 14: have it, but anger is not a solution.

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02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:18,160
Speaker 1: Sending away from the top there. I'm glad you said that,

2471
02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:20,120
Speaker 1: because if people are getting on my case of bringing

2472
02:16:20,200 --> 02:16:23,360
Speaker 1: Ricky on our song. Ricky was used avers functionally literate,

2473
02:16:23,480 --> 02:16:25,920
Speaker 1: He'll admit it. And if it wasn't Ricky Rashi, it'd

2474
02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:28,880
Speaker 1: be somebody else and we wouldn't know what really went down.

2475
02:16:29,200 --> 02:16:32,520
Speaker 4: So we've gotta be willing to sit down and talk

2476
02:16:32,560 --> 02:16:36,280
Speaker 4: to people who we don't like. I remember, if you

2477
02:16:36,440 --> 02:16:37,279
Speaker 4: really read.

2478
02:16:37,160 --> 02:16:40,080
Speaker 14: And study the history of the nation of Islam and

2479
02:16:40,240 --> 02:16:42,680
Speaker 14: the honorable Linja Muhammad and the great work that he

2480
02:16:42,840 --> 02:16:46,039
Speaker 14: did in this particular nation in this world and creating

2481
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:48,000
Speaker 14: someone like Malcolm X Malcolm.

2482
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:50,400
Speaker 4: XLL, I'll sit down with the qcut Klan because I

2483
02:16:50,600 --> 02:16:53,080
Speaker 4: need to know. I need to know how to count.

2484
02:16:53,160 --> 02:16:56,080
Speaker 4: That you can't count what you don't fully understand. And

2485
02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:59,480
Speaker 4: we're so upset and angry with people till we can't understand,

2486
02:17:00,040 --> 02:17:02,200
Speaker 4: so we don't sit down and get information from them

2487
02:17:02,440 --> 02:17:06,800
Speaker 4: and listen. Whatever his need is or whatever anybody else

2488
02:17:06,879 --> 02:17:10,960
Speaker 4: need to mitigate their involvement in this particular situation. They

2489
02:17:11,080 --> 02:17:14,160
Speaker 4: might come and say, well, during the course of that conversation,

2490
02:17:14,320 --> 02:17:17,480
Speaker 4: in that interview, whatever denials they put in place, we

2491
02:17:17,560 --> 02:17:22,160
Speaker 4: are still going to learn strategies, pathways and other methods

2492
02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:24,000
Speaker 4: that will allow us to get better in the future.

2493
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:26,880
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean because Carl Nelson set down with freeway

2494
02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:30,000
Speaker 4: Ricky Ross did he believe every single thing he said.

2495
02:17:30,440 --> 02:17:33,160
Speaker 4: Carl Nelson is an interviewer. He's trying to get information

2496
02:17:33,240 --> 02:17:35,560
Speaker 4: out to the community. He's trying to help the community

2497
02:17:35,640 --> 02:17:38,920
Speaker 4: develop strategies so we don't go forward doing this. So

2498
02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:42,480
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter whether you like him or dislike him,

2499
02:17:42,520 --> 02:17:44,400
Speaker 4: whether love We're not trying to develop.

2500
02:17:44,120 --> 02:17:46,440
Speaker 14: A relationship or not dating or trying to get married.

2501
02:17:46,600 --> 02:17:50,840
Speaker 14: We're trying to get strategies, information, pathways and historical events

2502
02:17:50,879 --> 02:17:54,119
Speaker 14: that occurred so that we don't repeat those particular events.

2503
02:17:54,360 --> 02:17:57,800
Speaker 14: And our community has to become sophisticated enough to understand

2504
02:17:58,160 --> 02:18:00,680
Speaker 14: that we can sit down with the death to learn

2505
02:18:00,760 --> 02:18:03,880
Speaker 14: the devil's ways till he doesn't make our children the

2506
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:04,960
Speaker 14: children of the devil.

2507
02:18:06,120 --> 02:18:08,480
Speaker 1: A sea. That got a tweet question for you from

2508
02:18:08,840 --> 02:18:11,960
Speaker 1: Marko Mannaheim, and Mark says, first, he says hello, and

2509
02:18:12,040 --> 02:18:15,440
Speaker 1: he said the three organizations most responsible for what is

2510
02:18:15,520 --> 02:18:19,240
Speaker 1: happening to this nation are the Council of National Policy

2511
02:18:19,320 --> 02:18:23,680
Speaker 1: the CNP, the Western Goals Foundation WGF, and the John

2512
02:18:23,720 --> 02:18:27,360
Speaker 1: Birch Society JBS. And they have direct ties to the

2513
02:18:27,480 --> 02:18:30,720
Speaker 1: dark Enlightenment. He says, the moment's creative of John Birch

2514
02:18:30,760 --> 02:18:34,280
Speaker 1: Society during the nineteen fifties. How did you navigate within

2515
02:18:34,360 --> 02:18:38,800
Speaker 1: the FBI with the ever present FBI Mormon mafia? And

2516
02:18:38,879 --> 02:18:40,160
Speaker 1: I tell you what hold that thought? They I'll let

2517
02:18:40,200 --> 02:18:41,840
Speaker 1: you respond when we get back. I'm looking at the clock.

2518
02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:43,879
Speaker 1: We got a step aside so our stations can identify

2519
02:18:43,959 --> 02:18:46,200
Speaker 1: themselves down the line. Family, you two can join our

2520
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:48,720
Speaker 1: conversation with doctor Tyrone Powerce. Just reach out to us

2521
02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:51,880
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seven

2522
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:55,119
Speaker 1: six and we ticket phone calls next and Grand Rising Family,

2523
02:18:55,160 --> 02:18:58,040
Speaker 1: thanks to starting your weekly listen our guest doctor Tyroon Powerce.

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02:18:58,080 --> 02:19:01,360
Speaker 1: Doctor Powers has a retired FBI agent saw the spookers

2525
02:19:01,400 --> 02:19:03,040
Speaker 1: out of the door. Before we go back to him, though,

2526
02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:05,520
Speaker 1: let me just remind you coming up, coming up this week,

2527
02:19:05,640 --> 02:19:09,240
Speaker 1: we're going to have folks like civil rights activists Willy Mulcassa,

2528
02:19:09,320 --> 02:19:12,880
Speaker 1: Rixie Seemed, Willie Rixy Marsh with Doctor King and John Lewis,

2529
02:19:13,320 --> 02:19:15,200
Speaker 1: Kwame Terray and all those folks. He's going to be

2530
02:19:15,400 --> 02:19:17,800
Speaker 1: with us. Also, a natural pathic doctor is a natural

2531
02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:20,920
Speaker 1: and a medical doctor traditional doctor, doctor A Wild also

2532
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:23,920
Speaker 1: joined us, and one of Malcolm's daughters, actually his third daughter,

2533
02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:27,720
Speaker 1: doctor Yasha Shabaz, will be here as well, and Professor

2534
02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:31,520
Speaker 1: May new one Pin from Contracosta College out in northern California.

2535
02:19:31,560 --> 02:19:33,640
Speaker 1: We'll check in. So if you're in Baltimore, make sure

2536
02:19:33,640 --> 02:19:35,960
Speaker 1: you're radious, locked in tight on ten ten w LB

2537
02:19:36,280 --> 02:19:39,120
Speaker 1: or from the DMV run fourteen fifteen w L. So

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02:19:39,240 --> 02:19:40,920
Speaker 1: doctor Powers, I'll let you finish your thought.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, now, I was, I was, I was kind of

2540
02:19:44,800 --> 02:19:47,560
Speaker 14: going back over that, that history and what we've always

2541
02:19:47,680 --> 02:19:52,200
Speaker 14: known in this particular issue. I remember when during the

2542
02:19:52,280 --> 02:19:57,400
Speaker 14: Reagan administration when they asked Nancy Reagan a question and

2543
02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:00,160
Speaker 14: it was her answer was so tried. They said how

2544
02:20:00,200 --> 02:20:03,600
Speaker 14: you're going to stop the drug trade, and she said,

2545
02:20:03,720 --> 02:20:05,440
Speaker 14: just say no. And what she was saying people took

2546
02:20:05,480 --> 02:20:07,560
Speaker 14: it as well, that's not it a solution. That's not

2547
02:20:08,040 --> 02:20:10,640
Speaker 14: what she was saying is that in this particular nation,

2548
02:20:10,840 --> 02:20:13,560
Speaker 14: this nation that is addicted on drugs, the drug trade

2549
02:20:13,959 --> 02:20:15,160
Speaker 14: is never going to stop.

2550
02:20:15,200 --> 02:20:16,400
Speaker 4: I don't care how many.

2551
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:21,200
Speaker 14: Which is not his true purpose. Ships you a boat,

2552
02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:24,680
Speaker 14: you bomb coming out of Venezuela, because this nation wants drugs,

2553
02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:27,200
Speaker 14: and the only thing is back to the law of economics,

2554
02:20:27,240 --> 02:20:30,560
Speaker 14: apply and demand, And the only way you reduce the

2555
02:20:30,840 --> 02:20:34,280
Speaker 14: likelihood of drugs being in this country or devastating or

2556
02:20:34,360 --> 02:20:37,440
Speaker 14: destroying our communities, not only our communities, our families with

2557
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:41,720
Speaker 14: domestic violence and everything else, is to keep our young people,

2558
02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:45,840
Speaker 14: via the education system, well via education in general, from

2559
02:20:45,920 --> 02:20:48,360
Speaker 14: ever using drugs. And what she was saying is, I

2560
02:20:48,400 --> 02:20:50,200
Speaker 14: don't give it them what you do, we don't get

2561
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:53,480
Speaker 14: drugs in this country. People were thinking that it was

2562
02:20:53,560 --> 02:20:57,680
Speaker 14: a very milk toast kind of reply and solution that

2563
02:20:57,800 --> 02:20:59,920
Speaker 14: she was given. What she was given you is truth

2564
02:21:00,440 --> 02:21:03,800
Speaker 14: that unless you stopped the demand in this particular nation,

2565
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:07,840
Speaker 14: this nation, the capitalist system, the economic system in this

2566
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:10,920
Speaker 14: nation all the way back to prohibition and alcohol and

2567
02:21:11,080 --> 02:21:14,240
Speaker 14: how the Kennedys gained their wealth and then becoming presidents

2568
02:21:14,240 --> 02:21:17,240
Speaker 14: and attorney generals of the United States was doing was

2569
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:20,880
Speaker 14: based on illicit substances, substances.

2570
02:21:20,400 --> 02:21:21,080
Speaker 4: That were illegal.

2571
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:23,480
Speaker 14: If they were legal, they couldn't have built a fortune.

2572
02:21:23,720 --> 02:21:26,360
Speaker 4: So what she was saying that they're always going to

2573
02:21:26,480 --> 02:21:27,400
Speaker 4: be drugs.

2574
02:21:27,080 --> 02:21:30,240
Speaker 14: In this nation and the only likelihood of it not

2575
02:21:30,760 --> 02:21:35,240
Speaker 14: impacting our communities or changing our conditions or adding to

2576
02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:41,000
Speaker 14: the prison industrial complex, is that if somehow we can

2577
02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:45,520
Speaker 14: convince young people to don't escape their reality through alcohol

2578
02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:51,000
Speaker 14: and drugs, but to change their reality. As all those

2579
02:21:51,160 --> 02:21:53,400
Speaker 14: organizations that you and I are familiar with calling that

2580
02:21:53,480 --> 02:21:55,840
Speaker 14: you have so many guests or from, whether it was

2581
02:21:55,920 --> 02:21:58,600
Speaker 14: the Old SELC or Snake or any of those other

2582
02:21:58,760 --> 02:22:02,360
Speaker 14: organizations were trying to those people weren't advocating the use

2583
02:22:02,440 --> 02:22:05,000
Speaker 14: of drugs to change the reality. They were advocating the

2584
02:22:05,160 --> 02:22:08,280
Speaker 14: change in our community. The Breakfast for Children program or

2585
02:22:08,320 --> 02:22:10,840
Speaker 14: the Black Panther Party for self defense, or what the

2586
02:22:10,959 --> 02:22:13,640
Speaker 14: Nation of Islam were doing with the honorable Elijah Muhammas.

2587
02:22:13,680 --> 02:22:17,600
Speaker 14: None of those solutions involved caching drugs. All those solutions

2588
02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:22,920
Speaker 14: involved being sober and in reality, those who have wanted

2589
02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:26,600
Speaker 14: us to either be pitted against each other, whether organization

2590
02:22:26,640 --> 02:22:28,560
Speaker 14: and I'm talking about, put it against each other at

2591
02:22:28,600 --> 02:22:30,760
Speaker 14: every level, from the streets, whether it's the crypts or

2592
02:22:30,760 --> 02:22:33,279
Speaker 14: the bloods of the Black Gorilla Family, or the higher

2593
02:22:33,360 --> 02:22:36,280
Speaker 14: level where politicians are calling each other name, or the

2594
02:22:36,400 --> 02:22:39,200
Speaker 14: mediums out of where radio hosts are so.

2595
02:22:40,879 --> 02:22:44,400
Speaker 4: Antagonistic towards each other. They always wanted us to be divided.

2596
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:47,200
Speaker 4: If we ever came up with a common solution to

2597
02:22:47,320 --> 02:22:50,680
Speaker 4: a common problem, as the student of Honorable Elijah Muhammad

2598
02:22:50,680 --> 02:22:52,840
Speaker 4: and Malcolm X used to say all the time, then

2599
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:54,560
Speaker 4: they were going to be in trouble in this in

2600
02:22:54,640 --> 02:22:56,080
Speaker 4: this particular nation.

2601
02:22:57,160 --> 02:22:58,920
Speaker 1: All right, Sam, I hope you mentioned what he said.

2602
02:22:58,920 --> 02:23:00,760
Speaker 1: They're always trying to divine at us and they're using

2603
02:23:00,800 --> 02:23:03,000
Speaker 1: groups right now to do the same thing. It's fourteen

2604
02:23:03,080 --> 02:23:05,400
Speaker 1: after before the top day. I got to ask you

2605
02:23:05,480 --> 02:23:08,600
Speaker 1: this though, and I get criticized sometimes when I bring

2606
02:23:08,720 --> 02:23:11,560
Speaker 1: Ricky Ross on the radio because they blame anybody who's

2607
02:23:11,680 --> 02:23:15,520
Speaker 1: black person is addicted all white cocaine is probably Ricky Ross.

2608
02:23:15,560 --> 02:23:18,440
Speaker 1: It's where he started. He would be called the Ray

2609
02:23:18,560 --> 02:23:21,640
Speaker 1: Kroc of the crack cocaine. Ray Kroc is a guy

2610
02:23:21,640 --> 02:23:24,760
Speaker 1: who met in McDonald's at a McDonald's stand in San Diego,

2611
02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:27,280
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, now it's international. If you

2612
02:23:27,480 --> 02:23:31,600
Speaker 1: had a crack in the your community would be Houston, Cleveland, whatever,

2613
02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:34,040
Speaker 1: Miami is. Probably because of Ricky Ross. He had this

2614
02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:36,600
Speaker 1: network set up. So my question to you, doctor Powers,

2615
02:23:36,879 --> 02:23:40,560
Speaker 1: did the governor know about this network of getting the

2616
02:23:40,600 --> 02:23:42,800
Speaker 1: drugs out of LA all across the country or did

2617
02:23:42,840 --> 02:23:44,600
Speaker 1: they help him. How did that work out?

2618
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:44,880
Speaker 3: Do you know?

2619
02:23:45,160 --> 02:23:46,080
Speaker 1: Can you share that with us?

2620
02:23:47,080 --> 02:23:51,280
Speaker 14: Absolutely, unequivocally, I mean, think about it, and I don't.

2621
02:23:51,560 --> 02:23:55,800
Speaker 14: This is not to mitigate the intelligence of a Ricky

2622
02:23:55,920 --> 02:23:58,840
Speaker 14: Ross or anyone else, but you can't put together that

2623
02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:04,879
Speaker 14: kind of operational apparatus, whether legal or illegal, without support structure,

2624
02:24:07,000 --> 02:24:11,440
Speaker 14: transport methods and routes just like you do. And so

2625
02:24:11,600 --> 02:24:14,959
Speaker 14: the North I them defeated the South via Theese by

2626
02:24:15,120 --> 02:24:17,840
Speaker 14: having certain routes that they took because the US was

2627
02:24:17,879 --> 02:24:20,800
Speaker 14: bombing all these pathways and all. That takes a lot

2628
02:24:20,879 --> 02:24:23,760
Speaker 14: of strategic planning and it would take more than a freeway.

2629
02:24:23,800 --> 02:24:24,000
Speaker 4: Riki.

2630
02:24:24,440 --> 02:24:29,160
Speaker 14: This doesn't mitigate the ability, his ability or what he

2631
02:24:29,320 --> 02:24:32,200
Speaker 14: did or didn't And we talked about that. We had

2632
02:24:32,360 --> 02:24:34,600
Speaker 14: a great conversation about that. And you can't have every

2633
02:24:34,680 --> 02:24:36,680
Speaker 14: conversation on the radio, but we had a great conversation

2634
02:24:36,800 --> 02:24:40,800
Speaker 14: about that. But you can't mitigate the significant impact and

2635
02:24:41,000 --> 02:24:43,000
Speaker 14: role of the government. I mean, I said this to

2636
02:24:43,080 --> 02:24:46,960
Speaker 14: you before, and I would testify to this before any

2637
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:49,800
Speaker 14: group or any community or any entity in the port

2638
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:52,640
Speaker 14: of art. The reality of the matter is in many cases,

2639
02:24:52,680 --> 02:24:55,800
Speaker 14: when I was working with the FBI DA Task Force

2640
02:24:55,879 --> 02:24:58,200
Speaker 14: we knew people were dealing drugs in the community, that

2641
02:24:58,480 --> 02:25:01,160
Speaker 14: supervisor would always come back and say, well, just let

2642
02:25:01,240 --> 02:25:03,600
Speaker 14: them keep dealing, keep building cases so that when we

2643
02:25:03,760 --> 02:25:05,879
Speaker 14: get them they can get twenty five to life. If

2644
02:25:05,920 --> 02:25:08,119
Speaker 14: we get them today, they may get probation because they've

2645
02:25:08,160 --> 02:25:10,600
Speaker 14: only been dealing about six months. So they let the

2646
02:25:10,720 --> 02:25:14,120
Speaker 14: dealing go ahead. They let people become addicted, they let

2647
02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:17,800
Speaker 14: the drugs into the community, but they use the excuse

2648
02:25:18,040 --> 02:25:21,400
Speaker 14: or the reason that we're trying to build a stronger case.

2649
02:25:21,440 --> 02:25:24,240
Speaker 14: And in reality, during the course of trying to build

2650
02:25:24,280 --> 02:25:28,880
Speaker 14: a stray stronger case, more people were becoming addicted, young people, children,

2651
02:25:29,360 --> 02:25:32,960
Speaker 14: parents involved in domestic violence, households and not conducive for

2652
02:25:33,080 --> 02:25:37,640
Speaker 14: living or learning, and students going to school without food, clothing, shelter,

2653
02:25:37,879 --> 02:25:40,400
Speaker 14: or their next meal because of the drug addiction, in

2654
02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:44,879
Speaker 14: situations that could have been stopped and interceded and intercepted

2655
02:25:45,360 --> 02:25:49,039
Speaker 14: very early on. But then the philosophy was always, well,

2656
02:25:49,160 --> 02:25:52,480
Speaker 14: if we wait a year, he thinks that he's getting

2657
02:25:52,520 --> 02:25:55,600
Speaker 14: away with this, he thinks that he's As I said before,

2658
02:25:55,680 --> 02:26:00,440
Speaker 14: that people were sending secret messages are closed through their phones,

2659
02:26:00,440 --> 02:26:03,160
Speaker 14: and all they had to go to the FCC satellite

2660
02:26:03,280 --> 02:26:07,440
Speaker 14: which was trans transcribed by the FCC and given to

2661
02:26:07,520 --> 02:26:09,880
Speaker 14: the FBI, so we knew what people were going before they.

2662
02:26:10,040 --> 02:26:12,400
Speaker 14: I don't care what secret code you put in. This

2663
02:26:12,560 --> 02:26:15,280
Speaker 14: is a nation of code breakers. They broke the German

2664
02:26:15,400 --> 02:26:19,200
Speaker 14: Cold during World War Two in order to think German submarines.

2665
02:26:19,240 --> 02:26:20,680
Speaker 14: And all of a sudden, you think.

2666
02:26:20,560 --> 02:26:23,520
Speaker 4: That some street level dealer or some street that will

2667
02:26:23,560 --> 02:26:27,279
Speaker 4: persons got some secret code that can break the ability

2668
02:26:27,560 --> 02:26:30,720
Speaker 4: of people who are experts and breaking ecryptions, who have

2669
02:26:30,840 --> 02:26:33,160
Speaker 4: been doing it since World War One and World War Two.

2670
02:26:33,560 --> 02:26:36,879
Speaker 4: You think that you are smarter than them. You are

2671
02:26:36,959 --> 02:26:39,320
Speaker 4: doing what they have allowed you to do, because it's

2672
02:26:39,360 --> 02:26:42,080
Speaker 4: impacted a certain community greater than any other community. And

2673
02:26:42,120 --> 02:26:44,120
Speaker 4: certainly they're going to be arrest and they're gonna be

2674
02:26:44,240 --> 02:26:49,080
Speaker 4: mass arrests because the parshave of looking like we're fighting

2675
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:51,680
Speaker 4: a drug war has to take place with the reality.

2676
02:26:52,520 --> 02:26:55,360
Speaker 4: The only time we began to become more serious and

2677
02:26:55,480 --> 02:26:58,560
Speaker 4: upset about this when this plague, which was supposed to

2678
02:26:58,640 --> 02:27:02,880
Speaker 4: stay in underserved of black communities or communities of color

2679
02:27:03,080 --> 02:27:05,959
Speaker 4: or poor white communities, begin to go into other communities.

2680
02:27:06,360 --> 02:27:07,000
Speaker 7: Now we have.

2681
02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:13,000
Speaker 14: Opioid lawsuits and opi yard concentration and focus has always

2682
02:27:13,080 --> 02:27:14,359
Speaker 14: been a part of the Planers.

2683
02:27:14,440 --> 02:27:15,680
Speaker 4: There's no greater.

2684
02:27:17,000 --> 02:27:21,279
Speaker 14: Way to stop the progress of black organizations, a black people,

2685
02:27:21,800 --> 02:27:25,960
Speaker 14: a black progress, than to enthuse them with substances that

2686
02:27:26,160 --> 02:27:28,760
Speaker 14: keep them from being sober at a time when they

2687
02:27:28,959 --> 02:27:29,800
Speaker 14: most need.

2688
02:27:29,720 --> 02:27:30,360
Speaker 4: To be sober.

2689
02:27:30,440 --> 02:27:33,400
Speaker 14: They keep them from properly educating their children, or put

2690
02:27:33,520 --> 02:27:37,160
Speaker 14: children in households that are not conduce it for living,

2691
02:27:37,360 --> 02:27:42,040
Speaker 14: learning or loving or making progress. If I take care,

2692
02:27:42,680 --> 02:27:44,920
Speaker 14: even if the child is not addicted, if I've got

2693
02:27:44,959 --> 02:27:47,959
Speaker 14: the mother and father who are addicted, then I control

2694
02:27:48,040 --> 02:27:50,320
Speaker 14: the future of that household, and I control the future

2695
02:27:50,320 --> 02:27:54,080
Speaker 14: of that community. And it's a very effective strategy. And

2696
02:27:54,120 --> 02:27:55,959
Speaker 14: whether we want to admit it or not, we've got

2697
02:27:56,040 --> 02:27:58,960
Speaker 14: to admit that it has worked successfully because we haven't

2698
02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:00,520
Speaker 14: come up with account strategy.

2699
02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:03,920
Speaker 4: But I won't counter terrorism. One of my super advisors,

2700
02:28:04,040 --> 02:28:04,920
Speaker 4: doing the come we were in.

2701
02:28:04,959 --> 02:28:07,520
Speaker 14: He went back to the academy to study counter terrorism.

2702
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:11,160
Speaker 14: He said, there's no need of us having a counter

2703
02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:15,080
Speaker 14: terrorism unit unless we completely understand terrorism, and there's no

2704
02:28:15,280 --> 02:28:20,200
Speaker 14: need of us having a counter philosophy to change in

2705
02:28:20,320 --> 02:28:22,600
Speaker 14: better our communities unless we understand how.

2706
02:28:22,520 --> 02:28:23,680
Speaker 4: It was done in the first place.

2707
02:28:24,000 --> 02:28:27,240
Speaker 14: So that was the importance of having and interviewing and

2708
02:28:27,400 --> 02:28:30,760
Speaker 14: talking to a Ricky Ross or here in Baltimore, Little Melbourne.

2709
02:28:30,920 --> 02:28:35,440
Speaker 14: They did tremendous damage to our community, tremendous damage to families,

2710
02:28:35,640 --> 02:28:37,920
Speaker 14: But we can't hit rewind on that. What we can

2711
02:28:38,040 --> 02:28:42,160
Speaker 14: do is learn how they were used, what the process was,

2712
02:28:42,600 --> 02:28:44,080
Speaker 14: what they did in the process, so.

2713
02:28:44,120 --> 02:28:44,640
Speaker 4: We can count.

2714
02:28:44,720 --> 02:28:46,440
Speaker 14: We can be angry with them, but anger is in

2715
02:28:46,560 --> 02:28:49,080
Speaker 14: emotion is not a solution. But at the same time

2716
02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:51,800
Speaker 14: we're angry with them, we've got to understand how it

2717
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:55,920
Speaker 14: was done. Listen, after World War Two, the Pentagon, but

2718
02:28:56,280 --> 02:28:59,240
Speaker 14: in Nazi generals. One of them demanded to stay in

2719
02:28:59,280 --> 02:29:03,279
Speaker 14: his uniform where has a cross to work at CIA headquarters,

2720
02:29:03,360 --> 02:29:07,280
Speaker 14: so the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency could better understand

2721
02:29:07,400 --> 02:29:10,440
Speaker 14: how the Germans built this massive war machine. So the

2722
02:29:10,600 --> 02:29:13,560
Speaker 14: people who were putting Jewish people in evans, who were

2723
02:29:13,640 --> 02:29:16,720
Speaker 14: killing people across the world, we actually gave a job

2724
02:29:16,840 --> 02:29:20,000
Speaker 14: and let them stay in their Nazi uniforms here because

2725
02:29:20,120 --> 02:29:24,840
Speaker 14: the information they was despite their devastating, their devastation, despite

2726
02:29:24,879 --> 02:29:27,800
Speaker 14: how much damage they had, called, the information that they

2727
02:29:27,840 --> 02:29:30,720
Speaker 14: were given was so valuable that we were willing to

2728
02:29:30,760 --> 02:29:33,000
Speaker 14: bring them in to get the information. So how can

2729
02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:35,879
Speaker 14: we not talk to a Ricky Ross or a Little

2730
02:29:35,959 --> 02:29:39,760
Speaker 14: Melvin or anyone else despite the devastation And we're not

2731
02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:43,200
Speaker 14: mitigating the devastation they cost in the community. We're saying,

2732
02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:46,160
Speaker 14: if we can't hit rewind on that. But if we

2733
02:29:46,280 --> 02:29:49,040
Speaker 14: are to prevent this going forward, we need all the

2734
02:29:49,160 --> 02:29:54,200
Speaker 14: intelligence strategies, understanding of operations, systems and structures that we

2735
02:29:54,320 --> 02:29:57,199
Speaker 14: can get rather than just being angry, because it's an emotion,

2736
02:29:57,320 --> 02:29:59,720
Speaker 14: and like I said, anglers and emotion we all have.

2737
02:30:00,320 --> 02:30:02,000
Speaker 4: But anger is not a solution.

2738
02:30:03,400 --> 02:30:05,360
Speaker 1: Sending away from the top of the I'm glad you

2739
02:30:05,440 --> 02:30:07,280
Speaker 1: said that because if people are getting on my case

2740
02:30:07,320 --> 02:30:10,040
Speaker 1: of bringing Ricky on our song, Ricky was used as

2741
02:30:10,080 --> 02:30:12,960
Speaker 1: functionally literate. He'll admit it. And if it wasn't Ricky

2742
02:30:13,080 --> 02:30:15,160
Speaker 1: ROSSI it'd be somebody else and we wouldn't know what

2743
02:30:15,640 --> 02:30:16,440
Speaker 1: really went down.

2744
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:20,080
Speaker 4: So we've gotta be willing to sit down and talk

2745
02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:23,840
Speaker 4: to people who we don't like. I remember, if you

2746
02:30:24,040 --> 02:30:24,840
Speaker 4: really read.

2747
02:30:24,760 --> 02:30:27,640
Speaker 14: And study the history of the nation of Islam and

2748
02:30:27,800 --> 02:30:30,120
Speaker 14: the honorable line of Muhammad and the great work that

2749
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:32,960
Speaker 14: he get in this particular nation in this world, and

2750
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:36,160
Speaker 14: creating someone like Malcolm xim Ex, I'll sit down with

2751
02:30:36,200 --> 02:30:38,560
Speaker 14: the Q cut Klan because I need to know.

2752
02:30:39,440 --> 02:30:41,240
Speaker 4: I need to know how to counter that. You can't

2753
02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:43,199
Speaker 4: count what you don't fully understand.

2754
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:46,160
Speaker 14: And we're so upset and angry with people till we

2755
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:49,240
Speaker 14: can't understand, till we don't sit down and get information

2756
02:30:49,400 --> 02:30:53,600
Speaker 14: from them and listen. Whatever his need is or whatever

2757
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:57,359
Speaker 14: anybody else need to mitigate their involvement in this particular situation.

2758
02:30:57,840 --> 02:30:58,240
Speaker 3: I wasn't.

2759
02:30:58,440 --> 02:31:00,880
Speaker 14: They might come and say, well, during the course of

2760
02:31:00,959 --> 02:31:04,560
Speaker 14: that conversation, in that interview, whatever denials they put in place,

2761
02:31:05,000 --> 02:31:09,720
Speaker 14: we're still going to learn strategies, pathways, and other methods

2762
02:31:09,760 --> 02:31:11,560
Speaker 14: that will allow us to get better in the future.

2763
02:31:11,640 --> 02:31:14,440
Speaker 14: It doesn't mean because Carl Nelson sat down with Freeway

2764
02:31:14,520 --> 02:31:17,560
Speaker 14: Ricky Ross did he believe every single thing he said.

2765
02:31:18,040 --> 02:31:20,760
Speaker 14: Carl Nelson is an interviewer. He's trying to get information

2766
02:31:20,840 --> 02:31:23,119
Speaker 14: out to the community. He's trying to help the community

2767
02:31:23,240 --> 02:31:26,480
Speaker 14: develop strategies so we don't go forward doing this. So

2768
02:31:26,600 --> 02:31:30,080
Speaker 14: it doesn't matter whether you like him or dislike him,

2769
02:31:30,080 --> 02:31:32,680
Speaker 14: whether we're not trying to develop a relationship or not

2770
02:31:32,800 --> 02:31:35,599
Speaker 14: dating or trying to get married. We're trying to get strategies,

2771
02:31:35,720 --> 02:31:39,480
Speaker 14: information pathways, and historical events that occurred.

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Speaker 4: So that we don't repeat those particular events. And our

2773
02:31:42,280 --> 02:31:45,960
Speaker 4: community has to become sophisticated enough to understand that we

2774
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:48,959
Speaker 4: can sit down with the devil to learn the devil's

2775
02:31:49,000 --> 02:31:52,040
Speaker 4: ways till he doesn't make our children the children of

2776
02:31:52,120 --> 02:31:52,520
Speaker 4: the devil.

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02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:55,760
Speaker 1: A say to that, got a tweet question for you

2778
02:31:55,879 --> 02:31:59,400
Speaker 1: from markam Anaheim, and Mark says, first, he says hello,

2779
02:31:59,480 --> 02:32:02,760
Speaker 1: and he said, the three organizations most responsible for what

2780
02:32:02,959 --> 02:32:06,360
Speaker 1: is happening to this nation are the Council of National

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02:32:06,440 --> 02:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Policy the CNP, the Western Goals Foundation WGF, and the

2782
02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:14,840
Speaker 1: John Birch Society JBS. And they have direct ties to

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02:32:14,920 --> 02:32:18,080
Speaker 1: the dark Enlightenment, he says, the Mormon's creative the John

2784
02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:21,560
Speaker 1: Birch Society during the nineteen fifties, How did you navigate

2785
02:32:21,640 --> 02:32:26,160
Speaker 1: within the FBI with the ever present FBI Mormon mafia?

2786
02:32:26,320 --> 02:32:27,600
Speaker 1: And I tell you what hold that thought? They I'll

2787
02:32:27,680 --> 02:32:29,160
Speaker 1: let you respond when we get back. I'm looking at

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02:32:29,160 --> 02:32:30,880
Speaker 1: the clock. We got a step aside so our stations

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02:32:30,879 --> 02:32:33,640
Speaker 1: can identify themselves down the line. Family Youtubo can join

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02:32:33,680 --> 02:32:36,120
Speaker 1: our conversation with doctor Tyrone Powers just reach out to

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02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:39,000
Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

2792
02:32:39,240 --> 02:32:41,800
Speaker 1: seven six and were ticket phone calls. Next and Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this Monday

2794
02:32:44,240 --> 02:32:47,320
Speaker 1: morning with our guest, the former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers.

2795
02:32:47,360 --> 02:32:49,880
Speaker 1: That doctor Powers mentioned he worked on that case with

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02:32:50,080 --> 02:32:53,560
Speaker 1: Rick Ross and that you know the cocaine it was

2797
02:32:53,800 --> 02:32:55,760
Speaker 1: brought into the country by the government. Before we do that,

2798
02:32:55,840 --> 02:32:57,760
Speaker 1: and Ricky is on the line, by the way, doctor Powers,

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02:32:57,920 --> 02:33:00,280
Speaker 1: I'll let you give a response to Mark's question. See

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02:33:00,280 --> 02:33:03,000
Speaker 1: he says the Mormon's created John Brush decided during the fifties.

2801
02:33:03,280 --> 02:33:06,440
Speaker 1: He wants you to how did you navigate within the

2802
02:33:06,600 --> 02:33:09,160
Speaker 1: FBI with ever present FBI Mormon mafia.

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02:33:10,600 --> 02:33:13,360
Speaker 14: Well, I don't I don't know if it was just

2804
02:33:14,000 --> 02:33:17,600
Speaker 14: a matter of the FBI had Mormon mafia. It was

2805
02:33:17,680 --> 02:33:20,400
Speaker 14: a it was a difficult situation to navigate. But I

2806
02:33:20,480 --> 02:33:23,040
Speaker 14: also if I was going too far, I had the

2807
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:25,959
Speaker 14: benefit of people who gave me some specific strategy. If

2808
02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:28,000
Speaker 14: you read my book, I guess I didn't navigate it

2809
02:33:28,040 --> 02:33:30,320
Speaker 14: as well as I thought because I was in the

2810
02:33:30,440 --> 02:33:33,440
Speaker 14: vehicle that blew up that I writing a book I

2811
02:33:33,840 --> 02:33:36,560
Speaker 14: truly blamed on the people who I was working for

2812
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:39,920
Speaker 14: and working with that and that particular agency. But initially

2813
02:33:39,959 --> 02:33:43,120
Speaker 14: when I got in, I just used certain method strategies

2814
02:33:43,200 --> 02:33:45,800
Speaker 14: and techniques to read everything I could. Some things were

2815
02:33:45,879 --> 02:33:48,680
Speaker 14: eyes only. Sometimes I sat in the office pay at night,

2816
02:33:48,760 --> 02:33:51,600
Speaker 14: ridden documents that I was not supposed to read, because

2817
02:33:51,640 --> 02:33:54,120
Speaker 14: at some point I understood strategically there was no need

2818
02:33:54,200 --> 02:33:56,520
Speaker 14: of going in there as a revolutionary and a red,

2819
02:33:56,560 --> 02:33:59,440
Speaker 14: black and green flag. There was an operation that needed

2820
02:33:59,480 --> 02:34:02,360
Speaker 14: to take place to bring back information to our community.

2821
02:34:02,400 --> 02:34:04,560
Speaker 14: And I even knew call, and I think I mentioned

2822
02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:08,439
Speaker 14: it just before I left the agency. I clearly understood

2823
02:34:08,440 --> 02:34:09,880
Speaker 14: they were going to people in that be in our

2824
02:34:09,959 --> 02:34:13,400
Speaker 14: community that was going to be considered me suspect. And

2825
02:34:13,480 --> 02:34:16,960
Speaker 14: even even I remember that Steve Copley would go around

2826
02:34:17,000 --> 02:34:18,960
Speaker 14: the nation said doctor Powell said this and this, and

2827
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:21,480
Speaker 14: he was involved in this, and that I wasn't. I

2828
02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:24,040
Speaker 14: wasn't about the business of countering that. The only time

2829
02:34:24,240 --> 02:34:27,320
Speaker 14: I even having opportunity or thought I had an opportunity

2830
02:34:27,400 --> 02:34:29,400
Speaker 14: to sit down with him and told him the strategic

2831
02:34:30,160 --> 02:34:32,400
Speaker 14: method of what I was doing was when brother Jabbari

2832
02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:36,959
Speaker 14: of Conscious Views or Reality Speaks and Conscious has Barby

2833
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:38,760
Speaker 14: Shop tried to set up a meeting with us. I

2834
02:34:38,879 --> 02:34:41,200
Speaker 14: showed up, Copeley didn't. But the fact of the matter

2835
02:34:41,320 --> 02:34:44,400
Speaker 14: is I anticipated all of that because I know how

2836
02:34:44,480 --> 02:34:47,039
Speaker 14: it works to divide and conquer us. I know how

2837
02:34:47,160 --> 02:34:50,200
Speaker 14: we are trained to resist information.

2838
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:52,800
Speaker 4: That's even good for us strategically.

2839
02:34:52,200 --> 02:34:55,640
Speaker 14: And I understand how I was going to be perceived

2840
02:34:55,680 --> 02:34:57,960
Speaker 14: having been a part of that particular agency. But my

2841
02:34:58,080 --> 02:35:00,400
Speaker 14: mission wasn't to make people like me, to love me,

2842
02:35:00,560 --> 02:35:04,000
Speaker 14: to embrace me anyway. My mission was to change the

2843
02:35:04,120 --> 02:35:08,240
Speaker 14: lives of people in our community through meeting, sometimes public,

2844
02:35:08,400 --> 02:35:13,520
Speaker 14: sometime private, meeting with gang members or individuals involved in

2845
02:35:13,640 --> 02:35:17,039
Speaker 14: violence or in the drug trade to talk about ways

2846
02:35:17,120 --> 02:35:20,040
Speaker 14: to strategically change our situation. I wasn't not even enough

2847
02:35:20,120 --> 02:35:21,879
Speaker 14: to think I could do it for the entire nation,

2848
02:35:22,280 --> 02:35:24,120
Speaker 14: but I knew I could have an impact, so I

2849
02:35:24,879 --> 02:35:26,760
Speaker 14: And one way I would say I didn't navigate it

2850
02:35:26,920 --> 02:35:31,160
Speaker 14: very well. And another way I think I navigated it

2851
02:35:31,480 --> 02:35:33,640
Speaker 14: to a point where I could be an asset to

2852
02:35:33,760 --> 02:35:37,440
Speaker 14: our particular community, even if our community didn't recognize that

2853
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:42,160
Speaker 14: or didn't see that as such, I couldn't, I couldn't operate.

2854
02:35:42,240 --> 02:35:45,520
Speaker 14: Tony Marrison, the great writer, one says you write not

2855
02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:48,400
Speaker 14: to let Machie. She wrote all these books solo the

2856
02:35:48,480 --> 02:35:50,760
Speaker 14: bluest side up. She said, you not you right not

2857
02:35:50,920 --> 02:35:54,320
Speaker 14: to let people like you or let them respect you.

2858
02:35:54,480 --> 02:35:57,040
Speaker 14: She said, you rite to inform, and you write within

2859
02:35:57,120 --> 02:35:58,880
Speaker 14: your heart and in your head. And I took her

2860
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:02,000
Speaker 14: method in terms of writing, in terms of all of

2861
02:36:02,080 --> 02:36:04,279
Speaker 14: my work and my life work that people were always

2862
02:36:04,320 --> 02:36:07,680
Speaker 14: going to disagree. People are gonna disagree vehemently, and people

2863
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:10,240
Speaker 14: may even call you names, and so on and so forth.

2864
02:36:10,280 --> 02:36:12,879
Speaker 14: I never called names back. I don't get in that process.

2865
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:16,080
Speaker 4: That's two childish for me. That's what children do. I

2866
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:18,440
Speaker 4: just continue to do what I believe my mission was,

2867
02:36:18,520 --> 02:36:19,279
Speaker 4: and continue.

2868
02:36:18,920 --> 02:36:19,880
Speaker 9: To do what my mission is.

2869
02:36:19,920 --> 02:36:22,640
Speaker 4: And that's how I navigated that time. I was there

2870
02:36:23,320 --> 02:36:23,879
Speaker 4: all right.

2871
02:36:23,760 --> 02:36:25,880
Speaker 1: Before after the top. As I mentioned, we woke up.

2872
02:36:25,959 --> 02:36:29,800
Speaker 1: Ricky is telling the conversation. He's online five Ricky grand Rising,

2873
02:36:29,879 --> 02:36:35,240
Speaker 1: welcome to the program. Of course, we got doctor Tom Mow.

2874
02:36:36,200 --> 02:36:37,199
Speaker 10: How you doing, Tyrone.

2875
02:36:37,360 --> 02:36:38,920
Speaker 4: I think I read your book when I was in

2876
02:36:39,160 --> 02:36:41,800
Speaker 4: I think I read your book when I was in prison. Yeah,

2877
02:36:41,879 --> 02:36:43,880
Speaker 4: you did, and you called me afterwards. I think you

2878
02:36:43,959 --> 02:36:46,640
Speaker 4: were driving at the time. You said you'd gotten my

2879
02:36:46,760 --> 02:36:49,880
Speaker 4: number from someone out there in California and you called me.

2880
02:36:49,959 --> 02:36:51,840
Speaker 4: We had a brief conversation. You may or may not

2881
02:36:51,959 --> 02:36:54,480
Speaker 4: remember that, but we had a conversation then. And I

2882
02:36:54,600 --> 02:36:57,160
Speaker 4: know recently, I think you were here in town with

2883
02:36:57,280 --> 02:36:59,760
Speaker 4: Bridget Austin Smith when you came to town recently.

2884
02:37:01,480 --> 02:37:02,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think so.

2885
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:05,440
Speaker 15: Yes, I've been doing I've been doing so much I

2886
02:37:05,520 --> 02:37:09,480
Speaker 15: can't remember, but yes, I remember. I do remember reading

2887
02:37:09,520 --> 02:37:12,640
Speaker 15: the book and and and how much it really touched me,

2888
02:37:12,920 --> 02:37:16,039
Speaker 15: you know, just to know what uh you went through

2889
02:37:16,120 --> 02:37:18,200
Speaker 15: as a as an agent of the of the government.

2890
02:37:19,040 --> 02:37:21,160
Speaker 10: And it's just.

2891
02:37:21,240 --> 02:37:25,640
Speaker 15: Surprising that in these days and ages that color still

2892
02:37:25,720 --> 02:37:30,560
Speaker 15: has so much to do with how people are treated and.

2893
02:37:32,680 --> 02:37:34,600
Speaker 10: In the justice system for sure.

2894
02:37:38,160 --> 02:37:40,400
Speaker 1: Can I jump in here and ask you this question, though, Ricky,

2895
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:43,640
Speaker 1: at what point, because doctor Pallas, is that the defense

2896
02:37:43,640 --> 02:37:46,080
Speaker 1: who were all over what your operation, they knew everything

2897
02:37:46,160 --> 02:37:48,400
Speaker 1: that you would do, and you know it probably helped

2898
02:37:48,440 --> 02:37:51,080
Speaker 1: you expand it. But what point did you get suspicious

2899
02:37:51,160 --> 02:37:53,800
Speaker 1: that somehow this is this is just too easy, this

2900
02:37:53,920 --> 02:37:58,000
Speaker 1: is just too good. Somebody must be creating avenues for

2901
02:37:58,400 --> 02:38:00,920
Speaker 1: me to spread the crack of who came through through

2902
02:38:00,959 --> 02:38:04,400
Speaker 1: Black America. At what point did you figure out somebody

2903
02:38:05,120 --> 02:38:06,320
Speaker 1: just a hidden hand working here.

2904
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:09,920
Speaker 15: Well called you got to remember you dealing with a

2905
02:38:10,040 --> 02:38:15,520
Speaker 15: guy that was pretty much an embecile when it came

2906
02:38:15,640 --> 02:38:19,800
Speaker 15: down to understanding about life. You know, he talking about

2907
02:38:19,800 --> 02:38:23,320
Speaker 15: somebody who couldn't read, couldn't write, Uh, didn't do well

2908
02:38:23,400 --> 02:38:28,760
Speaker 15: in school, didn't watch the news, was very uneducated, but

2909
02:38:29,320 --> 02:38:33,640
Speaker 15: inside of the streets, was very educated in the streets.

2910
02:38:34,760 --> 02:38:38,879
Speaker 15: And you know, that's some of the stuff that I'm

2911
02:38:38,920 --> 02:38:41,160
Speaker 15: trying to change right now. I'm trying to let our

2912
02:38:41,240 --> 02:38:44,400
Speaker 15: young men know that the same education we use to

2913
02:38:44,480 --> 02:38:46,560
Speaker 15: the streets, we can use to do anything that we

2914
02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:50,880
Speaker 15: want to do. But I didn't know anything about, you know,

2915
02:38:50,959 --> 02:38:54,800
Speaker 15: the government being assistant to me. You know, you know

2916
02:38:54,959 --> 02:38:58,720
Speaker 15: call we got egos. Yes, and you want to feel,

2917
02:38:59,000 --> 02:39:04,080
Speaker 15: you want to feel that what you're doing was all

2918
02:39:05,360 --> 02:39:07,280
Speaker 15: on you, that you the one to put that together,

2919
02:39:07,360 --> 02:39:08,920
Speaker 15: the two, the one thought it out, that you the

2920
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:11,640
Speaker 15: one mapped it out, that you the reason that the

2921
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:13,400
Speaker 15: money is coming in.

2922
02:39:15,920 --> 02:39:16,720
Speaker 10: Does that make sense?

2923
02:39:18,400 --> 02:39:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2924
02:39:19,320 --> 02:39:21,240
Speaker 1: What about your thought about Oh?

2925
02:39:21,360 --> 02:39:24,080
Speaker 14: No, absolutely, And the reality of the matter is is

2926
02:39:24,160 --> 02:39:27,040
Speaker 14: that one of the things that they've done. And I'll

2927
02:39:27,080 --> 02:39:28,640
Speaker 14: say this sober No, I've said this to you on

2928
02:39:28,720 --> 02:39:30,560
Speaker 14: your show before if you and people can look it

2929
02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:32,440
Speaker 14: up on their own. The FBI had to behavior with

2930
02:39:32,520 --> 02:39:35,480
Speaker 14: Science Unit at Quantico, Virginia. They've always had it where

2931
02:39:35,480 --> 02:39:39,560
Speaker 14: they psychologically profiled us. They understand that people to some

2932
02:39:39,720 --> 02:39:43,680
Speaker 14: extent could be egotistical or narcissistic, and to an extent

2933
02:39:43,800 --> 02:39:46,800
Speaker 14: they want to They want to, you know, even do

2934
02:39:46,879 --> 02:39:49,440
Speaker 14: it in our community, even on a higher level, that

2935
02:39:49,560 --> 02:39:52,680
Speaker 14: everybody wants to take credit. I did this, My organization

2936
02:39:52,800 --> 02:39:53,040
Speaker 14: did this.

2937
02:39:53,200 --> 02:39:55,359
Speaker 4: We change this. In the city of Baltimore.

2938
02:39:55,400 --> 02:39:57,960
Speaker 14: You got the mayor arguing with the state's attorney and

2939
02:39:58,120 --> 02:40:01,680
Speaker 14: people are playing to their egos and na system rather

2940
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:04,280
Speaker 14: than than them coming to some kind of collusion. Everybody

2941
02:40:04,440 --> 02:40:05,240
Speaker 14: wants to get credit.

2942
02:40:05,320 --> 02:40:07,920
Speaker 4: Doctor King even gave a speech called the drum Major Instinct,

2943
02:40:08,160 --> 02:40:10,440
Speaker 4: and he said, we all have a need for attention.

2944
02:40:10,640 --> 02:40:12,920
Speaker 4: I must be first, I must be important. And the

2945
02:40:13,080 --> 02:40:16,400
Speaker 4: organization knew that, and if they could feed that philosophy

2946
02:40:16,640 --> 02:40:19,760
Speaker 4: or play on that philosophy again, they created a whole

2947
02:40:19,840 --> 02:40:22,400
Speaker 4: behavioral science unit. Because most of what you do to

2948
02:40:22,480 --> 02:40:27,080
Speaker 4: manipulate people, it's through their own memes, you know. Jago

2949
02:40:27,160 --> 02:40:30,200
Speaker 4: Hooba said that there's something addicted about the secret. He said,

2950
02:40:30,240 --> 02:40:32,360
Speaker 4: if you want to control people. Find out what their

2951
02:40:32,440 --> 02:40:34,720
Speaker 4: secrets are. Don't kill them off, don't assassinate them.

2952
02:40:34,720 --> 02:40:36,560
Speaker 14: Find out what their secrets are, and control them through

2953
02:40:36,560 --> 02:40:39,360
Speaker 14: their secrets. And if you have to whitemail them into

2954
02:40:39,400 --> 02:40:41,240
Speaker 14: doing what you need them to do, they're more effective

2955
02:40:41,240 --> 02:40:44,560
Speaker 14: alive than they are dead. So there's been a philosophy.

2956
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:46,560
Speaker 4: That's gone on for a very long time that I

2957
02:40:46,680 --> 02:40:50,160
Speaker 4: think with Rick talking to young people, and I certainly

2958
02:40:50,600 --> 02:40:55,840
Speaker 4: educating young people on radar and off the radar, groups.

2959
02:40:55,680 --> 02:40:59,400
Speaker 14: Organizations, structures about how this worked, because they won't know

2960
02:40:59,560 --> 02:41:02,560
Speaker 14: how it work unless somebody sat down and talk to

2961
02:41:03,000 --> 02:41:08,080
Speaker 14: We are such even our greatest researchers and our greatest

2962
02:41:08,120 --> 02:41:12,160
Speaker 14: study is and our greatest, our most philosophical leaders talk

2963
02:41:12,320 --> 02:41:15,920
Speaker 14: to us on a level where they expect us to

2964
02:41:16,040 --> 02:41:19,120
Speaker 14: have some foundation or understanding. And if you're talking to

2965
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:22,000
Speaker 14: young people, you gotta go one oh one, You even

2966
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:26,120
Speaker 14: gotta go definitions first, because otherwise we're talking over the head.

2967
02:41:26,160 --> 02:41:29,080
Speaker 14: We're expecting them to change. When we are so into us,

2968
02:41:29,520 --> 02:41:31,960
Speaker 14: we want to prove to people how brilliant and intelligent

2969
02:41:32,080 --> 02:41:35,080
Speaker 14: we are, how many books we read till we become

2970
02:41:35,240 --> 02:41:36,439
Speaker 14: all but ineffective.

2971
02:41:36,800 --> 02:41:39,960
Speaker 4: I said to you. When I got my PhD and

2972
02:41:40,040 --> 02:41:43,400
Speaker 4: I was talking to my grandmother who's now deceased, and

2973
02:41:43,520 --> 02:41:46,520
Speaker 4: she says, son, before all that education got never forget

2974
02:41:46,600 --> 02:41:48,440
Speaker 4: to reach down and pick up what's right in front

2975
02:41:48,480 --> 02:41:48,560
Speaker 4: of you.

2976
02:41:48,600 --> 02:41:49,920
Speaker 14: I said, what are you talking abou, Grandma? I didn't

2977
02:41:49,959 --> 02:41:52,400
Speaker 14: drop anything. She said, you dropped your common sense because

2978
02:41:52,400 --> 02:41:54,840
Speaker 14: you're talking to common people. Malcolm X used to say,

2979
02:41:54,879 --> 02:41:58,080
Speaker 14: make it plain. But sometimes when we are on radio

2980
02:41:58,360 --> 02:42:01,879
Speaker 14: or television or we're an interview, we are so into

2981
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:05,600
Speaker 14: ourselves and we're trying to demonstrate how much we know

2982
02:42:06,120 --> 02:42:08,400
Speaker 14: until we can't teach. And then if we can't teach,

2983
02:42:08,440 --> 02:42:11,400
Speaker 14: then we can't change. So I'm so glad that Ricky

2984
02:42:11,560 --> 02:42:14,480
Speaker 14: is talking to those people in the community about what happened,

2985
02:42:14,520 --> 02:42:16,600
Speaker 14: how it happened, the young people he worked with and

2986
02:42:16,720 --> 02:42:19,200
Speaker 14: deal with, And I'm so glad he's doing it on

2987
02:42:19,320 --> 02:42:20,320
Speaker 14: a level that's making it.

2988
02:42:20,400 --> 02:42:20,680
Speaker 4: Claim.

2989
02:42:21,920 --> 02:42:24,840
Speaker 1: Got you ten half the top there, Ricky. If now

2990
02:42:24,920 --> 02:42:27,119
Speaker 1: you can speak to the young people, because some people,

2991
02:42:27,240 --> 02:42:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, each time we have run, I get at

2992
02:42:29,200 --> 02:42:30,880
Speaker 1: least one or two people. Wow, well you got put

2993
02:42:31,000 --> 02:42:33,160
Speaker 1: him on it. I got strung out on crack and

2994
02:42:33,240 --> 02:42:35,760
Speaker 1: my sister dying. All this stuff you know which is true.

2995
02:42:36,040 --> 02:42:38,400
Speaker 1: So I'm giving you an opportunity. Now, what you say

2996
02:42:38,480 --> 02:42:41,600
Speaker 1: to those folks who accuse you of that when you

2997
02:42:41,680 --> 02:42:42,560
Speaker 1: know Carl.

2998
02:42:43,520 --> 02:42:47,720
Speaker 15: And I beat myself up about selling crack, But I

2999
02:42:47,800 --> 02:42:50,280
Speaker 15: got fortunate enough that when I got out of prison,

3000
02:42:50,320 --> 02:42:52,760
Speaker 15: I was able to go and meet with Minister Fairy Cohn.

3001
02:42:54,080 --> 02:42:55,560
Speaker 10: And he cleared that up for me.

3002
02:42:56,959 --> 02:42:59,920
Speaker 15: He told me that I could beat myself up for

3003
02:43:00,120 --> 02:43:03,280
Speaker 15: ever about what I did, or he said that I

3004
02:43:03,320 --> 02:43:07,200
Speaker 15: could take my experience and share it with other young

3005
02:43:07,280 --> 02:43:11,040
Speaker 15: men and women where I could save hundreds of thousands

3006
02:43:11,120 --> 02:43:14,280
Speaker 15: of lives from going down the same path I went down.

3007
02:43:14,920 --> 02:43:16,480
Speaker 15: And he said, if I did that, I'd become a

3008
02:43:16,560 --> 02:43:21,760
Speaker 15: scientist that was running an experiment. So I took that approach,

3009
02:43:21,840 --> 02:43:23,280
Speaker 15: and that's the way I look at it right now.

3010
02:43:23,720 --> 02:43:26,480
Speaker 15: A young lady out of the Chicago did a story

3011
02:43:26,600 --> 02:43:29,119
Speaker 15: on me during the same time, and in the story

3012
02:43:29,240 --> 02:43:34,840
Speaker 15: she said, no regrets, only lessons, And that's the way

3013
02:43:34,879 --> 02:43:38,000
Speaker 15: I look at my life now. I learned a lot

3014
02:43:38,040 --> 02:43:40,400
Speaker 15: of lessons from it, and had I not went through it,

3015
02:43:40,520 --> 02:43:42,120
Speaker 15: I wouldn't be able to do the work that I'm

3016
02:43:42,120 --> 02:43:47,240
Speaker 15: doing right now. And you know, for those people who

3017
02:43:47,320 --> 02:43:51,720
Speaker 15: criticized me. I get hundreds for young men to come

3018
02:43:51,760 --> 02:43:54,240
Speaker 15: out and say, man, thank you man. I'm an electrician.

3019
02:43:54,680 --> 02:43:57,039
Speaker 15: I went to school and I got my electrician license.

3020
02:43:58,240 --> 02:44:00,360
Speaker 15: I just stepped into the game. When I re search

3021
02:44:00,440 --> 02:44:04,320
Speaker 15: your first speech and you turn my life around, thank

3022
02:44:04,400 --> 02:44:07,800
Speaker 15: you man. And I'm thinking about going into the dope game.

3023
02:44:07,840 --> 02:44:09,480
Speaker 15: But after I listen to you, I ain't doing it.

3024
02:44:10,520 --> 02:44:12,240
Speaker 15: So when I get that, they can say whatever they

3025
02:44:12,320 --> 02:44:15,400
Speaker 15: want to say about me. You know, I can deal

3026
02:44:15,440 --> 02:44:19,360
Speaker 15: with that. I won't argue with them about if what

3027
02:44:19,520 --> 02:44:22,320
Speaker 15: I did was wrong or right. You know, that's not

3028
02:44:22,480 --> 02:44:23,400
Speaker 15: my argument anymore.

3029
02:44:23,480 --> 02:44:24,240
Speaker 10: That's my past.

3030
02:44:26,280 --> 02:44:30,000
Speaker 15: It's still I can't do anything about it. And right

3031
02:44:30,080 --> 02:44:31,960
Speaker 15: now I'm trying to live my best life. You know,

3032
02:44:33,280 --> 02:44:35,240
Speaker 15: I taught myself to read when I was in jail.

3033
02:44:37,560 --> 02:44:41,840
Speaker 15: And I'm more so trying to be a road model,

3034
02:44:42,320 --> 02:44:45,640
Speaker 15: a new road model. Don't road model after my old self,

3035
02:44:46,560 --> 02:44:48,840
Speaker 15: road model, after the new Rick Fass through the stuff

3036
02:44:48,840 --> 02:44:51,400
Speaker 15: that I'm doing. Now, I own my own TV channel,

3037
02:44:51,480 --> 02:44:56,360
Speaker 15: Now I'm partners, I'm boxing. I'm about to be the

3038
02:44:56,480 --> 02:45:00,000
Speaker 15: new Don King of boxing, and my movie was gonna

3039
02:45:00,080 --> 02:45:02,640
Speaker 15: start shooting at you know, my book is out a

3040
02:45:02,840 --> 02:45:06,440
Speaker 15: bestseller in LA Times and New York Times bestseller. And

3041
02:45:07,120 --> 02:45:09,520
Speaker 15: you know, I spoke with some colleges that I couldn't

3042
02:45:09,560 --> 02:45:12,240
Speaker 15: get into and they paid me to come there and speak.

3043
02:45:12,760 --> 02:45:16,760
Speaker 15: So for the nay sayers, they can, they can, you

3044
02:45:16,879 --> 02:45:19,560
Speaker 15: know they can. I mean they criticize Jesus Christ, So

3045
02:45:20,840 --> 02:45:21,400
Speaker 15: why not me?

3046
02:45:23,400 --> 02:45:26,360
Speaker 1: All right, Ricky, it always got something going. So when's

3047
02:45:26,400 --> 02:45:28,440
Speaker 1: the movie coming out? Before we let you go? Is

3048
02:45:28,480 --> 02:45:29,280
Speaker 1: it Schilling Production?

3049
02:45:30,520 --> 02:45:30,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

3050
02:45:30,800 --> 02:45:34,279
Speaker 15: Yeah, we're gonna start, uh, I think casting in January

3051
02:45:34,320 --> 02:45:35,760
Speaker 15: or February we should be.

3052
02:45:36,280 --> 02:45:38,400
Speaker 10: And then you know, I got a new streaming channel.

3053
02:45:38,480 --> 02:45:43,520
Speaker 15: It's a little rock ip TV, and we're giving a

3054
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:46,800
Speaker 15: platform for independent movie producers because I don't know if

3055
02:45:46,840 --> 02:45:49,240
Speaker 15: you know or not, but they ripping the black movie

3056
02:45:49,280 --> 02:45:51,400
Speaker 15: producers off. They got to put their stuff on TV.

3057
02:45:51,879 --> 02:45:55,840
Speaker 15: They don't give them real numbers. Yeah, it ain't changed

3058
02:45:55,879 --> 02:45:58,720
Speaker 15: out here, man, It's just a different a different tactic.

3059
02:45:59,160 --> 02:46:03,440
Speaker 15: So I'm out here looking for ways to assist our people.

3060
02:46:04,200 --> 02:46:06,680
Speaker 1: All right, thanks, rick I'm actually getting up, man. I

3061
02:46:07,040 --> 02:46:08,879
Speaker 1: hate to wake you up this earl at in.

3062
02:46:09,040 --> 02:46:13,320
Speaker 10: L A and so call you don't mind waking me up, man.

3063
02:46:15,160 --> 02:46:17,520
Speaker 1: Because you have so much wisdom to share with our people.

3064
02:46:17,640 --> 02:46:20,560
Speaker 10: Rick, I love Hey, Carl, I love you.

3065
02:46:21,120 --> 02:46:24,160
Speaker 15: You know when I was going through my trials and tribulations, Uh,

3066
02:46:24,280 --> 02:46:27,600
Speaker 15: you never, you never, you know, crucified me.

3067
02:46:28,040 --> 02:46:29,880
Speaker 10: You know, you always gave me a fast shot. And

3068
02:46:30,080 --> 02:46:30,800
Speaker 10: I appreciate that.

3069
02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:34,320
Speaker 15: My brother David, you know, he loves you too, uh

3070
02:46:34,440 --> 02:46:36,880
Speaker 15: and my mom did too. So just keep doing what

3071
02:46:36,959 --> 02:46:38,840
Speaker 15: you're doing, man in form of my people, because we

3072
02:46:39,000 --> 02:46:39,760
Speaker 15: need people like you.

3073
02:46:39,840 --> 02:46:43,520
Speaker 10: Just gonna stand up. And mister Powell, I love your book.

3074
02:46:44,320 --> 02:46:46,880
Speaker 10: Thank you, San. And if I get in a position,

3075
02:46:47,000 --> 02:46:48,440
Speaker 10: I want to turn that into a movie.

3076
02:46:49,080 --> 02:46:49,200
Speaker 7: Uh.

3077
02:46:49,840 --> 02:46:51,840
Speaker 15: And I wanted to do that when I was inside

3078
02:46:51,879 --> 02:46:54,240
Speaker 15: of jail. When I read it, I was like, Man,

3079
02:46:54,280 --> 02:46:56,600
Speaker 15: this is a movie. But I already know they're not

3080
02:46:56,680 --> 02:46:58,360
Speaker 15: gonna put They're not gonna produce your movie.

3081
02:46:59,120 --> 02:47:00,520
Speaker 10: We have to do mine independent.

3082
02:47:00,720 --> 02:47:03,240
Speaker 15: I got lucky and ran in the Reginal hustling and

3083
02:47:04,520 --> 02:47:06,320
Speaker 15: he came on board, and he said, Man, I'm gonna

3084
02:47:06,320 --> 02:47:08,360
Speaker 15: get the money to do your movie, and we're gonna

3085
02:47:08,360 --> 02:47:09,800
Speaker 15: do it the way you want to. We ain't gonna

3086
02:47:09,800 --> 02:47:12,160
Speaker 15: do it like they did Snowfall. You know, we're not

3087
02:47:12,280 --> 02:47:14,640
Speaker 15: gonna glorify selling drugs. And then at the end of

3088
02:47:14,680 --> 02:47:16,960
Speaker 15: the movie, you know, break the black man all the

3089
02:47:17,000 --> 02:47:21,400
Speaker 15: way down to where he's drinking and drunking and homeless.

3090
02:47:22,360 --> 02:47:23,920
Speaker 15: We're gonna tell it like it was. He go and

3091
02:47:24,040 --> 02:47:26,240
Speaker 15: do his time, and he get out of jail. He

3092
02:47:26,400 --> 02:47:29,360
Speaker 15: educated hisself, just like Malcolm X did. I took Malcolm

3093
02:47:29,440 --> 02:47:32,080
Speaker 15: X's for a mat when I read his book and

3094
02:47:32,200 --> 02:47:34,280
Speaker 15: I saw what Malcolm did. You guys, you guys had

3095
02:47:34,280 --> 02:47:36,160
Speaker 15: a big influence on my change. I'm gonna let you

3096
02:47:36,240 --> 02:47:39,800
Speaker 15: know that to mister Powler, Yes, and thank you and thank.

3097
02:47:39,640 --> 02:47:39,960
Speaker 3: You for that.

3098
02:47:40,520 --> 02:47:43,120
Speaker 15: And Malcolm X, even though he wasn't alive, he still

3099
02:47:43,200 --> 02:47:44,959
Speaker 15: had a big impact on me because when I saw

3100
02:47:45,000 --> 02:47:47,040
Speaker 15: that he couldn't read and write and then he was

3101
02:47:47,080 --> 02:47:49,400
Speaker 15: able to turn his life around, I said, if he

3102
02:47:49,440 --> 02:47:51,320
Speaker 15: can do it, I can do it. And that's what

3103
02:47:51,480 --> 02:47:53,200
Speaker 15: I know that these young men out here in these

3104
02:47:53,240 --> 02:47:55,640
Speaker 15: streets right now, they looking at me and they said,

3105
02:47:55,680 --> 02:48:00,320
Speaker 15: if mister Ross can do it, I can do it too, Yes, sir, right, thanks.

3106
02:48:00,400 --> 02:48:04,920
Speaker 1: Ricky All right, that's rick Ross called. It woke him up,

3107
02:48:04,920 --> 02:48:07,080
Speaker 1: this one and the family, you know, the Rick Ross,

3108
02:48:07,120 --> 02:48:10,160
Speaker 1: the rapper. It stole his name. That's how he was

3109
02:48:10,200 --> 02:48:12,760
Speaker 1: so impressed with the game that Ricky Ross was doing

3110
02:48:13,000 --> 02:48:17,080
Speaker 1: Freeway Rick Ross and and you know Doctor Powers. He's

3111
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:19,680
Speaker 1: got so much talent. As he's mentioned all the things

3112
02:48:19,720 --> 02:48:22,680
Speaker 1: he's doing. I told him you could probably even though

3113
02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:24,720
Speaker 1: you can't read or write, you've got the talent to

3114
02:48:24,760 --> 02:48:26,800
Speaker 1: put together this network and that you shared with us.

3115
02:48:26,840 --> 02:48:30,279
Speaker 1: And the government was there helping him put their network

3116
02:48:30,320 --> 02:48:33,040
Speaker 1: together so the crack could be exposed to all our

3117
02:48:33,120 --> 02:48:35,440
Speaker 1: people across the country. So, family, this is what we've

3118
02:48:35,480 --> 02:48:37,280
Speaker 1: been trying to tell you, you know, and some people

3119
02:48:37,320 --> 02:48:39,960
Speaker 1: are saying that, oh, you know, they take credit for

3120
02:48:40,080 --> 02:48:42,120
Speaker 1: doing it and breaking the story, and tell me you

3121
02:48:42,200 --> 02:48:43,960
Speaker 1: break the story. You don't know how the story started,

3122
02:48:44,160 --> 02:48:45,920
Speaker 1: and tell me they broke the story. So one fello

3123
02:48:45,959 --> 02:48:48,600
Speaker 1: in d C claiming he broke the story. He was

3124
02:48:48,840 --> 02:48:52,320
Speaker 1: he was listening to our programs Dr Powers and then

3125
02:48:52,400 --> 02:48:54,280
Speaker 1: come on on this station and talk about it as

3126
02:48:54,320 --> 02:48:55,680
Speaker 1: if he broke the story. But I just want to

3127
02:48:55,720 --> 02:48:57,000
Speaker 1: share that with the family.

3128
02:48:57,080 --> 02:49:02,040
Speaker 4: So as you're sick and racist, as Harry S.

3129
02:49:02,080 --> 02:49:04,920
Speaker 14: Truman was, he said something that I think is so profound,

3130
02:49:04,959 --> 02:49:06,560
Speaker 14: and I try to live with it and walk with

3131
02:49:06,680 --> 02:49:08,320
Speaker 14: it every day, so you'd be surprised how much you

3132
02:49:08,360 --> 02:49:11,000
Speaker 14: can accomplish. We don't care who get the credit, because

3133
02:49:11,000 --> 02:49:12,520
Speaker 14: in the end you're going to get the credit anyway.

3134
02:49:12,560 --> 02:49:15,680
Speaker 14: People are going to decipher through all the mess eventually anyway.

3135
02:49:15,920 --> 02:49:19,560
Speaker 14: And you can't hit rewind on the things that you've

3136
02:49:19,600 --> 02:49:22,039
Speaker 14: done wrong, but you can do some things right.

3137
02:49:22,200 --> 02:49:23,840
Speaker 4: That's what you have the ability to do.

3138
02:49:24,320 --> 02:49:26,520
Speaker 14: So you can stay miad and all the things you

3139
02:49:26,600 --> 02:49:30,160
Speaker 14: did wrong you can have and we all have, despite

3140
02:49:30,320 --> 02:49:33,000
Speaker 14: us trying to be stronger sometimes to what we all

3141
02:49:33,080 --> 02:49:34,160
Speaker 14: we all have regrets.

3142
02:49:34,200 --> 02:49:34,800
Speaker 4: There are things that.

3143
02:49:34,840 --> 02:49:36,720
Speaker 14: We've done in life that we would have done differently,

3144
02:49:37,200 --> 02:49:39,480
Speaker 14: but at some point we analyze that.

3145
02:49:39,680 --> 02:49:42,920
Speaker 1: Yet that hold. I thought, right there, Dot, We're gonna

3146
02:49:42,959 --> 02:49:44,400
Speaker 1: step aside fro a few minutes. How did you finish

3147
02:49:44,440 --> 02:49:45,760
Speaker 1: your thought? We got some people want to talk to

3148
02:49:45,760 --> 02:49:48,120
Speaker 1: you at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

3149
02:49:48,320 --> 02:49:51,120
Speaker 1: seventy six, and we'll ticket calls next and Grand Rising family,

3150
02:49:51,160 --> 02:49:53,080
Speaker 1: thanks for rolling with us on this Monday morning here,

3151
02:49:53,120 --> 02:49:54,680
Speaker 1: thanks for sewing a week with us and our guest,

3152
02:49:54,760 --> 02:49:57,840
Speaker 1: the former Fbon agent doctor Tyrone Palace. So doctor Powerce,

3153
02:49:57,879 --> 02:49:59,280
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought. Then we got some

3154
02:49:59,320 --> 02:50:00,080
Speaker 1: folks want to talk.

3155
02:50:00,080 --> 02:50:03,480
Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, I just briefly wanted to say that we

3156
02:50:03,879 --> 02:50:06,040
Speaker 14: all have done things in the past that we regret,

3157
02:50:06,200 --> 02:50:08,200
Speaker 14: but we can't hit rewind on it. All we can

3158
02:50:08,280 --> 02:50:11,560
Speaker 14: do is get better, and that necessarily better and be

3159
02:50:11,640 --> 02:50:13,320
Speaker 14: a part of the solution. And then you have to

3160
02:50:13,440 --> 02:50:16,440
Speaker 14: have strong skin if you're going to help our people.

3161
02:50:16,680 --> 02:50:20,760
Speaker 14: You know, our people have been psychologically damaged so much.

3162
02:50:20,920 --> 02:50:23,160
Speaker 14: So you can't argue, you can't go back and forth,

3163
02:50:23,280 --> 02:50:25,240
Speaker 14: you can't get involved in a name call, and you

3164
02:50:25,360 --> 02:50:28,560
Speaker 14: can't defend everything. I think every time I come on

3165
02:50:28,640 --> 02:50:31,560
Speaker 14: and I mentioned to you that what Minister Farakhon said

3166
02:50:31,600 --> 02:50:33,600
Speaker 14: to me. If God's given you a mission and you're

3167
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:37,000
Speaker 14: driving down the road heading towards a destination and a

3168
02:50:37,240 --> 02:50:40,879
Speaker 14: high priced luxury vehicle and there's a gnat to get

3169
02:50:40,920 --> 02:50:43,080
Speaker 14: in the car and it's buzzing all around you, he said,

3170
02:50:43,120 --> 02:50:45,960
Speaker 14: don't wreck the car and miss your destination trying to

3171
02:50:46,040 --> 02:50:48,640
Speaker 14: kill a nap. So even though you disagree with what

3172
02:50:48,760 --> 02:50:52,680
Speaker 14: people say, you can't really spend energy on defending yourself

3173
02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:55,440
Speaker 14: doing that as long as you're doing the righteous thing.

3174
02:50:55,840 --> 02:50:58,840
Speaker 14: And for those who are changing their ways, changing their

3175
02:50:58,920 --> 02:51:01,120
Speaker 14: direction and are becoming a part of the solutions, you

3176
02:51:01,240 --> 02:51:04,720
Speaker 14: can't play both parts of the of both sides of

3177
02:51:04,760 --> 02:51:07,720
Speaker 14: the sense, you can't pretend to be helping us and

3178
02:51:07,840 --> 02:51:10,680
Speaker 14: at the same time still doing what you used to do.

3179
02:51:10,800 --> 02:51:13,080
Speaker 14: On the other side, there's a lot of that going

3180
02:51:13,160 --> 02:51:16,800
Speaker 14: on too that we recognize. Just to be all in

3181
02:51:17,280 --> 02:51:19,560
Speaker 14: or just get out, you know, the Jacksons used to

3182
02:51:19,560 --> 02:51:22,600
Speaker 14: say get it together or leave it alone. But I

3183
02:51:22,720 --> 02:51:25,320
Speaker 14: think that even if we have regrets about things we

3184
02:51:25,400 --> 02:51:27,000
Speaker 14: did in the past, we still can be a part

3185
02:51:27,040 --> 02:51:29,160
Speaker 14: of the solution. There as always of those who will

3186
02:51:29,200 --> 02:51:31,640
Speaker 14: try to hold your past against you and say you

3187
02:51:31,760 --> 02:51:34,400
Speaker 14: can't be a part of positive because you were so

3188
02:51:34,560 --> 02:51:36,560
Speaker 14: much of the negative, and that's completely untrue.

3189
02:51:37,600 --> 02:51:40,320
Speaker 1: I say, twenty two away from the top of Carl

3190
02:51:40,440 --> 02:51:42,720
Speaker 1: is calling from West pom Beach and Florida's online one

3191
02:51:42,840 --> 02:51:46,920
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Call a question for doctor Powers Grand.

3192
02:51:46,800 --> 02:51:50,199
Speaker 16: Rising Family rotor pol. I think you're the best qualified

3193
02:51:50,280 --> 02:51:52,520
Speaker 16: to answer the question that I'm gonna talk about. And

3194
02:51:52,720 --> 02:51:55,840
Speaker 16: Carl always asks the question what eth and I would

3195
02:51:56,240 --> 02:51:59,000
Speaker 16: you would take a little time and explain the reasoning

3196
02:51:59,240 --> 02:52:02,440
Speaker 16: and our the memoirs of Jaga Hoover and how he

3197
02:52:02,600 --> 02:52:06,560
Speaker 16: was looking amongst the so called negro for Messiah. And

3198
02:52:06,760 --> 02:52:08,879
Speaker 16: most of the time we don't realize to take over

3199
02:52:09,120 --> 02:52:12,360
Speaker 16: the church and how we're being our spirit, which is

3200
02:52:12,400 --> 02:52:15,320
Speaker 16: the spirit of truth, how has been actually taken away

3201
02:52:15,360 --> 02:52:17,840
Speaker 16: from us? And my question was who do you see

3202
02:52:17,879 --> 02:52:21,160
Speaker 16: inside of America now that positive the United States government

3203
02:52:21,240 --> 02:52:26,680
Speaker 16: has identified with reality as it relates to Jaiga Hoover's

3204
02:52:26,680 --> 02:52:29,640
Speaker 16: thoughts about looking for the Messiah amongst the so called

3205
02:52:29,640 --> 02:52:30,680
Speaker 16: American negro.

3206
02:52:32,000 --> 02:52:34,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's to ask your question.

3207
02:52:34,360 --> 02:52:36,800
Speaker 14: Two things. You know, if you go back to and

3208
02:52:36,879 --> 02:52:39,760
Speaker 14: I mentioned this before, and there's only one book that

3209
02:52:39,840 --> 02:52:42,600
Speaker 14: Thomas Jefferson ever wrote was Notes on the State of Virginia.

3210
02:52:42,600 --> 02:52:45,560
Speaker 14: Because he was a slave, older but owner, and this

3211
02:52:45,760 --> 02:52:48,440
Speaker 14: nation looks up to him. There's a Jefferson monument in Washington,

3212
02:52:48,520 --> 02:52:50,680
Speaker 14: d C. Speaking of the naming thing that was part

3213
02:52:50,720 --> 02:52:53,680
Speaker 14: of the earliest so but there's a Jefferson monument, a

3214
02:52:53,760 --> 02:52:56,680
Speaker 14: slave owner and a beasa. But one of the things

3215
02:52:56,720 --> 02:52:58,680
Speaker 14: he said, the only book he ever wrote was Notes

3216
02:52:58,720 --> 02:53:01,480
Speaker 14: on the State of Virginia. He said that because of

3217
02:53:01,600 --> 02:53:06,119
Speaker 14: the thousands of wrongs, ten thousand wrongs we've done to people,

3218
02:53:06,320 --> 02:53:09,520
Speaker 14: to black people, to Africans, they can never forgive us.

3219
02:53:09,560 --> 02:53:13,680
Speaker 14: They truly believe that there's no group of people in

3220
02:53:13,760 --> 02:53:17,600
Speaker 14: the history of the world. They can forgive what happened

3221
02:53:17,959 --> 02:53:20,800
Speaker 14: to us, not only here in the United States, but

3222
02:53:21,440 --> 02:53:26,000
Speaker 14: whatever happened in the Congo, which was the greatest holocaust ever.

3223
02:53:26,200 --> 02:53:27,279
Speaker 4: What they did to those.

3224
02:53:27,200 --> 02:53:29,560
Speaker 14: People of the Congo, the Belgians, and what they did

3225
02:53:29,600 --> 02:53:33,640
Speaker 14: in Rwanda. Now they got Rwanda interfering or intervening and

3226
02:53:33,760 --> 02:53:36,800
Speaker 14: even killing more black on black violence in the Congo

3227
02:53:36,920 --> 02:53:41,199
Speaker 14: and Rwanda orchestrated by the Central Intelligence Agency, the Dells

3228
02:53:41,280 --> 02:53:46,000
Speaker 14: Brothers and the Belgian still going on. But Jefferson said

3229
02:53:46,120 --> 02:53:47,920
Speaker 14: that you know, the only way we're going to deal

3230
02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:50,039
Speaker 14: with this is to lead to the examination of one

3231
02:53:50,160 --> 02:53:52,840
Speaker 14: race or the other. And they are people who love

3232
02:53:52,959 --> 02:53:55,119
Speaker 14: Jefferson so much to build them a monument.

3233
02:53:55,400 --> 02:53:56,520
Speaker 4: And whether we read them.

3234
02:53:56,480 --> 02:53:58,840
Speaker 14: Or not, I teach them to my students, not because

3235
02:53:58,879 --> 02:54:02,440
Speaker 14: I'm trying to elevate, because I'm trying to educate them

3236
02:54:02,480 --> 02:54:04,760
Speaker 14: on why us, Why do they keep coming for us,

3237
02:54:05,040 --> 02:54:07,480
Speaker 14: Why do they keep dropping drugs in our community, Why

3238
02:54:07,560 --> 02:54:10,600
Speaker 14: they keep dropping alcohol in our community, Why they keep

3239
02:54:10,680 --> 02:54:15,600
Speaker 14: making sure that we're miseducation, miseducated, as doctor Carterage Woodson said,

3240
02:54:15,920 --> 02:54:19,680
Speaker 14: or under educated or underdeveloped, because they truly believe what

3241
02:54:19,800 --> 02:54:23,120
Speaker 14: Jefferson said that there's no way they did us so

3242
02:54:23,520 --> 02:54:25,480
Speaker 14: horrifically wrong that there's no.

3243
02:54:25,560 --> 02:54:26,280
Speaker 4: Way we can forget.

3244
02:54:26,400 --> 02:54:26,480
Speaker 9: Now.

3245
02:54:26,560 --> 02:54:28,360
Speaker 14: We may not be thinking like that, but it doesn't

3246
02:54:28,400 --> 02:54:31,160
Speaker 14: really matter how we're thinking. They're thinking that at some

3247
02:54:31,360 --> 02:54:34,200
Speaker 14: point we are coming. So if they've got a leader

3248
02:54:34,360 --> 02:54:37,320
Speaker 14: who are putting them in a position of understanding this history,

3249
02:54:37,520 --> 02:54:39,360
Speaker 14: we got to get rid of him, whether it's King

3250
02:54:39,560 --> 02:54:42,120
Speaker 14: or Malcolm X or the honible Elijah Muhammad. We got

3251
02:54:42,240 --> 02:54:46,240
Speaker 14: to divide Malcolm against the people who actually created or

3252
02:54:46,360 --> 02:54:49,800
Speaker 14: re educated him in the nation of Vislam. Despite their differences,

3253
02:54:49,840 --> 02:54:51,959
Speaker 14: We've got to turn them against each other. They are

3254
02:54:52,080 --> 02:54:55,120
Speaker 14: constantly understanding that Jaga Hoopa says.

3255
02:54:55,160 --> 02:54:58,120
Speaker 4: Speaking of Jaga Hooper, he said, for all of this triteness,

3256
02:54:58,600 --> 02:54:59,039
Speaker 4: this is his.

3257
02:54:59,160 --> 02:55:02,600
Speaker 14: Exact words, a direct quote, not paraphrasing. He said, there

3258
02:55:02,680 --> 02:55:05,200
Speaker 14: is strength in unity. And he said the one thing

3259
02:55:05,360 --> 02:55:09,199
Speaker 14: we can never afford is have the black community unified.

3260
02:55:09,240 --> 02:55:12,400
Speaker 14: We've got to have young blacks against middle aged blacks

3261
02:55:12,440 --> 02:55:16,400
Speaker 14: against older blacks. We gotta have black organizations against black organizations.

3262
02:55:16,600 --> 02:55:20,000
Speaker 14: We gotta have black radio hosts against other black radio hosts.

3263
02:55:20,160 --> 02:55:23,760
Speaker 14: We gotta have black athletes against black athletes. He said

3264
02:55:23,840 --> 02:55:26,240
Speaker 14: this specifically, if you go back and you said you

3265
02:55:26,320 --> 02:55:29,480
Speaker 14: read his notes and his memoirs, he said, for all

3266
02:55:29,560 --> 02:55:34,000
Speaker 14: of this triteness, there's power and unity. And if they

3267
02:55:34,160 --> 02:55:38,000
Speaker 14: ever become unified, if they ever stop fighting each other,

3268
02:55:38,280 --> 02:55:40,760
Speaker 14: we're going to be in trouble. So this is why us,

3269
02:55:40,879 --> 02:55:42,879
Speaker 14: this is why they continue to do this. But when

3270
02:55:42,920 --> 02:55:46,080
Speaker 14: I explain this to the young peoples, make it plain,

3271
02:55:46,280 --> 02:55:48,400
Speaker 14: as a student of the honor Oi Larja Muhammed Malcolm

3272
02:55:48,480 --> 02:55:51,160
Speaker 14: X said, make it so plain, or as my grandmother said,

3273
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:53,120
Speaker 14: put it down where the ghosts can get it. Don't

3274
02:55:53,160 --> 02:55:56,200
Speaker 14: explain it in your language, don't talk about don't get

3275
02:55:56,240 --> 02:56:00,400
Speaker 14: to the illuminata until you get to just explaining this

3276
02:56:00,720 --> 02:56:05,120
Speaker 14: basic definitions to young people. Then they will change their

3277
02:56:05,160 --> 02:56:08,040
Speaker 14: behavior and change their ways. We're so into ourselves.

3278
02:56:08,560 --> 02:56:10,400
Speaker 4: Look at what I know. Look how brilliant I am.

3279
02:56:10,480 --> 02:56:13,080
Speaker 4: Look how much I know I know about these secret organizations.

3280
02:56:13,160 --> 02:56:15,840
Speaker 4: I know about the black bourgeoisie. The young people saying,

3281
02:56:16,040 --> 02:56:19,080
Speaker 4: just make it plain, tell me how to not do

3282
02:56:19,320 --> 02:56:23,200
Speaker 4: tomorrow what I'm doing today, and explain that history to me.

3283
02:56:23,480 --> 02:56:25,800
Speaker 4: And so they're going to continue to divide and conquer

3284
02:56:25,879 --> 02:56:28,160
Speaker 4: us because they, as you said, we're very spiritual beings,

3285
02:56:28,200 --> 02:56:30,960
Speaker 4: and they believe that there's no way we can forgive

3286
02:56:31,000 --> 02:56:34,600
Speaker 4: them for the horrific horrors that they've done to us

3287
02:56:34,760 --> 02:56:35,680
Speaker 4: over generations.

3288
02:56:35,959 --> 02:56:36,600
Speaker 3: Whether we know.

3289
02:56:36,720 --> 02:56:39,200
Speaker 14: About them or not, they believe we know about them,

3290
02:56:39,400 --> 02:56:42,160
Speaker 14: and they believe we're coming, and they believe they have

3291
02:56:42,320 --> 02:56:45,160
Speaker 14: to constantly keep their foot on our next, and then

3292
02:56:45,200 --> 02:56:47,640
Speaker 14: they believe that they have to help get us to

3293
02:56:47,920 --> 02:56:50,879
Speaker 14: help them put their foot on our next, because if

3294
02:56:50,879 --> 02:56:54,160
Speaker 14: we ever become truly enlightened, then it's going to be

3295
02:56:54,680 --> 02:56:56,920
Speaker 14: it's going to be something else. So they can't have

3296
02:56:57,120 --> 02:56:59,920
Speaker 14: that happen. Whether it's a black messiah, whether you can

3297
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:02,600
Speaker 14: any of the organizations all across this country call to

3298
02:57:02,680 --> 02:57:05,000
Speaker 14: your credit. You have people on all the time that

3299
02:57:05,080 --> 02:57:10,520
Speaker 14: are doing tremendous work. They have to keep that work segmented, isolated.

3300
02:57:10,440 --> 02:57:10,520
Speaker 5: And.

3301
02:57:12,360 --> 02:57:14,640
Speaker 14: Not let us know that's happening. Thank God to you

3302
02:57:15,120 --> 02:57:17,880
Speaker 14: and your broadcast. We get to know that's happening. Because

3303
02:57:17,920 --> 02:57:21,320
Speaker 14: the messiahs in our community doesn't have to be one messiah.

3304
02:57:21,600 --> 02:57:24,480
Speaker 14: It can be every person leading in the organizations that

3305
02:57:24,600 --> 02:57:27,480
Speaker 14: are helping young people change the direction in their situation,

3306
02:57:27,959 --> 02:57:30,760
Speaker 14: that are caring for our seniors, that are re educating

3307
02:57:31,360 --> 02:57:35,880
Speaker 14: or redeveloping our middle aged people, or all of our people.

3308
02:57:36,640 --> 02:57:37,840
Speaker 14: All of those people are.

3309
02:57:37,720 --> 02:57:38,360
Speaker 4: Doing a job.

3310
02:57:38,480 --> 02:57:41,080
Speaker 14: But what Call has done and what this program does

3311
02:57:41,200 --> 02:57:43,920
Speaker 14: is connect us together, so we won't resay and that

3312
02:57:44,000 --> 02:57:46,720
Speaker 14: black people aren't doing nothing and black people need to

3313
02:57:46,760 --> 02:57:48,440
Speaker 14: do this, because that's what they want us to say.

3314
02:57:48,760 --> 02:57:51,560
Speaker 14: And all over this nation and Call is highlighted that

3315
02:57:51,879 --> 02:57:55,039
Speaker 14: over and over and over again, there are people doing something.

3316
02:57:55,360 --> 02:57:57,280
Speaker 14: So we have much more work to do. But we

3317
02:57:57,320 --> 02:58:00,000
Speaker 14: don't have to be so pessimistic that we become stagnant

3318
02:58:00,160 --> 02:58:03,280
Speaker 14: and do nothing because we don't believe something is being done.

3319
02:58:03,560 --> 02:58:06,880
Speaker 14: That Messiah could be a thousand messiahs rather than one,

3320
02:58:07,120 --> 02:58:08,320
Speaker 14: and they're looking for the one.

3321
02:58:09,800 --> 02:58:11,520
Speaker 1: Thank you for what you said, the kind words thirty

3322
02:58:11,520 --> 02:58:14,160
Speaker 1: minutes after the top of their family, and please hear

3323
02:58:14,240 --> 02:58:16,800
Speaker 1: what doctor Powers said, because there's a couple of anti

3324
02:58:16,920 --> 02:58:20,160
Speaker 1: black groups, who black anti black groups, and they're trying

3325
02:58:20,200 --> 02:58:23,400
Speaker 1: to keep us against each other and fighting against each other.

3326
02:58:23,760 --> 02:58:26,360
Speaker 1: He just said, you know, and they say they're not agents.

3327
02:58:26,400 --> 02:58:28,600
Speaker 1: He just told you. This is come from a former

3328
02:58:28,720 --> 02:58:30,800
Speaker 1: FBI agent, So take that with his will. But you

3329
02:58:30,879 --> 02:58:32,240
Speaker 1: know who they are, and I have to mention their

3330
02:58:32,320 --> 02:58:34,760
Speaker 1: names we're not going to give him any energy eight

3331
02:58:34,879 --> 02:58:37,000
Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to seventy

3332
02:58:37,040 --> 02:58:39,520
Speaker 1: six bills in Baltimore's Online two as a question for you,

3333
02:58:39,680 --> 02:58:41,840
Speaker 1: Grand Rising build their question for doctor Powers.

3334
02:58:42,600 --> 02:58:45,000
Speaker 17: Hey, first, thank you there call for this opportunity. I

3335
02:58:45,120 --> 02:58:47,440
Speaker 17: want to just say hello to my good friend, Tyrone Power.

3336
02:58:47,480 --> 02:58:48,039
Speaker 4: I have a lot of.

3337
02:58:48,120 --> 02:58:51,000
Speaker 17: Respect for Tyrone, But I guess my question when I

3338
02:58:51,160 --> 02:58:54,200
Speaker 17: was listening to the whole conversation reference to drugs, that

3339
02:58:54,440 --> 02:58:57,640
Speaker 17: is the question, Tyrone, is that if all throughout this

3340
02:58:57,760 --> 02:59:01,720
Speaker 17: head country then we have systems groups to witness the

3341
02:59:01,959 --> 02:59:06,359
Speaker 17: centeration process of guns and drugs that's confiscated by the police,

3342
02:59:06,680 --> 02:59:08,440
Speaker 17: what kind of im type would to have on our

3343
02:59:08,480 --> 02:59:12,320
Speaker 17: community as a relations to the drug problem and the

3344
02:59:12,720 --> 02:59:14,400
Speaker 17: murders that we have in our communities.

3345
02:59:15,800 --> 02:59:18,120
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's thank you, Bill, and I thank you for

3346
02:59:18,280 --> 02:59:21,560
Speaker 14: your friendship and your advocacy. And you've been indicating this

3347
02:59:21,680 --> 02:59:24,160
Speaker 14: for years and I don't understand for the life of

3348
02:59:24,280 --> 02:59:26,800
Speaker 14: me why I do understand, but I will say this,

3349
02:59:27,400 --> 02:59:31,160
Speaker 14: why that can't simply be done. I mean, technically, if

3350
02:59:31,280 --> 02:59:35,520
Speaker 14: you confiscate drugs and guns. We keep talking heavy these

3351
02:59:35,560 --> 02:59:37,960
Speaker 14: press conferences about how many guns we've taken off the

3352
02:59:38,000 --> 02:59:42,440
Speaker 14: streets of Baltimore in DC and LA in Chicago. If

3353
02:59:42,520 --> 02:59:46,600
Speaker 14: you've confiscated these guns and there's a process for trials

3354
02:59:46,640 --> 02:59:49,520
Speaker 14: and appeals, and once that process of trials and appeals

3355
02:59:49,959 --> 02:59:53,440
Speaker 14: are done, why not let the public witness the melting

3356
02:59:53,520 --> 02:59:55,920
Speaker 14: down of these guns and drugs, because the fact of

3357
02:59:56,000 --> 02:59:58,840
Speaker 14: the matter is they're recirculated in the community. Kurt Smoke

3358
02:59:59,200 --> 03:00:01,400
Speaker 14: had it buy back gun program that he had to

3359
03:00:01,600 --> 03:00:03,959
Speaker 14: end because the very guns that he was buying back

3360
03:00:04,120 --> 03:00:06,640
Speaker 14: at these centers where you could turn into guns and

3361
03:00:06,720 --> 03:00:09,360
Speaker 14: it could be anonymous and you didn't have to leave

3362
03:00:09,400 --> 03:00:12,119
Speaker 14: your name, those guns were ending up in murders two

3363
03:00:12,240 --> 03:00:15,720
Speaker 14: years later, so they confiscated them. They took him into

3364
03:00:15,840 --> 03:00:19,280
Speaker 14: police department and then somehow that gun, but that sale

3365
03:00:19,400 --> 03:00:24,120
Speaker 14: number where forensics had identified had been sold back to

3366
03:00:24,560 --> 03:00:26,879
Speaker 14: the agency, whether it's a police department or some other

3367
03:00:27,080 --> 03:00:29,640
Speaker 14: entity that's taken them in, was back on the streets

3368
03:00:29,680 --> 03:00:32,400
Speaker 14: involved in other murders. So that is one of the

3369
03:00:32,520 --> 03:00:35,680
Speaker 14: method and the strategies that would be very effective and impactful.

3370
03:00:35,720 --> 03:00:38,760
Speaker 14: And I don't know how we have black politicians and.

3371
03:00:38,760 --> 03:00:42,279
Speaker 4: Black leaders, a state's attorney in this city and a black.

3372
03:00:42,080 --> 03:00:45,000
Speaker 14: Mayor who just said let it be. So we wanted

3373
03:00:45,080 --> 03:00:49,840
Speaker 14: the power to lead cities, organizations, structures, and agencies so

3374
03:00:49,959 --> 03:00:52,800
Speaker 14: that we could make decisions that could be carried out.

3375
03:00:52,959 --> 03:00:53,840
Speaker 4: And that's very easy.

3376
03:00:53,959 --> 03:00:56,560
Speaker 14: Look, if you're the state's attorney, you can easily say

3377
03:00:56,920 --> 03:01:01,760
Speaker 14: that once this trial has exhausted all prosecution and appeals,

3378
03:01:02,400 --> 03:01:05,039
Speaker 14: then we're going to gather up all of the evidence

3379
03:01:05,120 --> 03:01:08,080
Speaker 14: we've used in these cases to prosecute these cases, and

3380
03:01:08,120 --> 03:01:10,480
Speaker 14: we're going to burn them with the public. They can

3381
03:01:10,560 --> 03:01:13,560
Speaker 14: have a designated representative, or we can have a place

3382
03:01:13,560 --> 03:01:16,800
Speaker 14: where they go to because obviously if you burn drugs,

3383
03:01:16,879 --> 03:01:19,320
Speaker 14: it has to be in a closed environment. I've witnessed

3384
03:01:19,360 --> 03:01:22,080
Speaker 14: that at times with the FBI, or melt down these

3385
03:01:22,160 --> 03:01:25,800
Speaker 14: particular items and use them. We keep talking about recycling

3386
03:01:25,879 --> 03:01:29,160
Speaker 14: in this country. We can recycle that metal. But now

3387
03:01:29,240 --> 03:01:32,119
Speaker 14: we're in positions of power. So the question that Bill

3388
03:01:32,240 --> 03:01:35,240
Speaker 14: couldn't ask is not just a question for whites or

3389
03:01:35,400 --> 03:01:37,680
Speaker 14: hiding this. It is question for blacks who are in

3390
03:01:37,760 --> 03:01:40,720
Speaker 14: position of power, who could make that declavation tomorrow morning.

3391
03:01:41,120 --> 03:01:43,360
Speaker 14: Good point, Bill, and I'm glad you're making it because

3392
03:01:43,400 --> 03:01:47,240
Speaker 14: now you're talking about strategies rather than emotion. We are

3393
03:01:47,400 --> 03:01:50,240
Speaker 14: so often because we are a group of people who

3394
03:01:50,280 --> 03:01:52,840
Speaker 14: come out of religious environment and we love our preachers

3395
03:01:53,280 --> 03:01:56,360
Speaker 14: so interested in a sermon that we can't carry out

3396
03:01:56,440 --> 03:01:59,080
Speaker 14: the operatives that come out of a sermon. And where

3397
03:01:59,120 --> 03:02:01,920
Speaker 14: Bill is talking about the specific strategy that could be done,

3398
03:02:02,280 --> 03:02:04,600
Speaker 14: especially in every city that we're in a position of power,

3399
03:02:04,840 --> 03:02:07,800
Speaker 14: we were the state's attorney and the mayor in Chicago, we.

3400
03:02:07,840 --> 03:02:12,640
Speaker 4: Could have easily without any opposition or with any pushback,

3401
03:02:12,680 --> 03:02:13,760
Speaker 4: we could have easily done that.

3402
03:02:13,879 --> 03:02:16,320
Speaker 14: The state's attorney can say, this case is exhausted. It's

3403
03:02:16,360 --> 03:02:18,360
Speaker 14: already been through all of this appeals all the way

3404
03:02:18,440 --> 03:02:19,360
Speaker 14: up to the Supreme Court.

3405
03:02:19,640 --> 03:02:20,960
Speaker 4: Now let's burn the evidence.

3406
03:02:21,240 --> 03:02:23,640
Speaker 14: And because we've had this gun and its violence problem

3407
03:02:23,680 --> 03:02:26,520
Speaker 14: and this drug problem for so long, we should have

3408
03:02:26,640 --> 03:02:29,280
Speaker 14: a lot to burn and to get rid of, rather

3409
03:02:29,320 --> 03:02:31,640
Speaker 14: than have it recycled and ended back up on the

3410
03:02:31,680 --> 03:02:35,120
Speaker 14: street involved in other murders and other homicides, and with

3411
03:02:35,280 --> 03:02:41,360
Speaker 14: people consuming drugs. Speaking of blowing up Venezuela boats, people

3412
03:02:41,480 --> 03:02:44,160
Speaker 14: consuming drugs. That was taken into the evidence room.

3413
03:02:44,560 --> 03:02:47,959
Speaker 1: That's fact, that's not fiction, all right, twenty six away

3414
03:02:47,959 --> 03:02:50,360
Speaker 1: from the top, Thanks Bill eight hundred and four or

3415
03:02:50,400 --> 03:02:53,280
Speaker 1: five zero, seventy eight, seventy six. John's in DC has

3416
03:02:53,320 --> 03:02:56,200
Speaker 1: a question for you, doctor Powers. He's online three grand

3417
03:02:56,280 --> 03:02:58,959
Speaker 1: rising John your question for doctor Tyrol and Powers.

3418
03:03:00,879 --> 03:03:06,959
Speaker 9: Grantarizing, Brother Quasi and Brother Powell. I wanted to make

3419
03:03:07,000 --> 03:03:08,920
Speaker 9: a comment and I want you to comment on it.

3420
03:03:10,560 --> 03:03:14,320
Speaker 9: I don't know have just been discussed when Diet Gregory

3421
03:03:14,400 --> 03:03:20,760
Speaker 9: and Joe Madison discovered and exposed the CIA and the

3422
03:03:21,000 --> 03:03:27,080
Speaker 9: FBI bringing cocaine and drugs and guns and whatever else

3423
03:03:27,160 --> 03:03:34,600
Speaker 9: they could into this country red handed. Why wasn't there first?

3424
03:03:34,760 --> 03:03:40,560
Speaker 9: Why wasn't there any indictments? Why wasn't there any prosecutions.

3425
03:03:42,200 --> 03:03:45,680
Speaker 9: If you want to stop it at the bottom, you

3426
03:03:45,920 --> 03:03:50,119
Speaker 9: have to stop it at the top. Mark from Anaheim

3427
03:03:50,400 --> 03:03:56,240
Speaker 9: always mentioned factual movies that were true, and they were

3428
03:03:56,560 --> 03:04:03,680
Speaker 9: American Maid, the movie Blow with Johnny Depth and we

3429
03:04:03,920 --> 03:04:07,400
Speaker 9: saw in the wire. This is why they took it

3430
03:04:07,480 --> 03:04:11,880
Speaker 9: off of television because it exposed the drug traffic and

3431
03:04:12,200 --> 03:04:16,600
Speaker 9: the corruption from the highest levels to the bottom. Right

3432
03:04:16,760 --> 03:04:21,119
Speaker 9: next door in Baltimore City, one of the poorest country

3433
03:04:21,160 --> 03:04:27,360
Speaker 9: cities in America but has the largest caron distribution in

3434
03:04:27,560 --> 03:04:30,840
Speaker 9: the country, coming, I want to.

3435
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Speaker 1: Give a chance.

3436
03:04:32,920 --> 03:04:36,240
Speaker 3: Right there, brother, Thanks doctor Bowers.

3437
03:04:38,920 --> 03:04:42,080
Speaker 4: He's absolutely right and and here, but there's two positives.

3438
03:04:42,120 --> 03:04:43,040
Speaker 4: It's not an either or.

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03:04:43,200 --> 03:04:47,760
Speaker 14: It has to be prosecuted and and attacked and targeted

3440
03:04:47,840 --> 03:04:50,279
Speaker 14: from the highest level. But that takes knowledge and education.

3441
03:04:50,440 --> 03:04:53,240
Speaker 14: See what the brother is saying and what other people

3442
03:04:53,240 --> 03:04:57,680
Speaker 14: will call your show is saying, it's so foundationally and

3443
03:04:57,840 --> 03:05:00,520
Speaker 14: fundamentally true. This is how we should to handle this.

3444
03:05:01,120 --> 03:05:03,120
Speaker 14: But you've got to talk to other people. You've got

3445
03:05:03,240 --> 03:05:05,440
Speaker 14: to talk to the young people. You've got to show

3446
03:05:05,480 --> 03:05:07,600
Speaker 14: them how it's done. We just can't talk to each

3447
03:05:07,640 --> 03:05:12,039
Speaker 14: other as young relatively young people, or middle aged people

3448
03:05:12,240 --> 03:05:14,959
Speaker 14: or elders. We've got to explain this to the young people.

3449
03:05:15,040 --> 03:05:17,520
Speaker 14: And my course that I used to teach at Boy,

3450
03:05:18,120 --> 03:05:20,600
Speaker 14: I've leave. This is my last semester there, but that

3451
03:05:20,760 --> 03:05:23,120
Speaker 14: I used to teach at Boy, the reality of the

3452
03:05:23,160 --> 03:05:25,920
Speaker 14: matter is those young people sat up erect and listen

3453
03:05:26,040 --> 03:05:28,640
Speaker 14: to this, because while we have talked to each other

3454
03:05:28,840 --> 03:05:31,600
Speaker 14: about this, no one had ever walked them through this

3455
03:05:31,760 --> 03:05:34,720
Speaker 14: from the beginning to the end. And the second part

3456
03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:39,480
Speaker 14: of that, the part about prosecuting these cases that you're

3457
03:05:39,560 --> 03:05:42,480
Speaker 14: talking about about bringing drugs into the country. The other

3458
03:05:42,600 --> 03:05:45,879
Speaker 14: part of that is convincing our people, as difficult as

3459
03:05:45,920 --> 03:05:47,560
Speaker 14: it is, doesn't mean we shouldn't try it.

3460
03:05:47,959 --> 03:05:49,960
Speaker 4: Not to be on drugs and alcohol.

3461
03:05:50,320 --> 03:05:52,720
Speaker 14: And I know that it's not that easy. I know addiction,

3462
03:05:53,000 --> 03:05:56,600
Speaker 14: people are depressed, people are sad. But to do the

3463
03:05:56,680 --> 03:05:58,760
Speaker 14: best we can, and we may can't solve at all,

3464
03:05:59,080 --> 03:06:02,040
Speaker 14: but we have to do better. This supplying demand philosophy

3465
03:06:02,080 --> 03:06:05,039
Speaker 14: of economics mean that we have to talk to our

3466
03:06:05,160 --> 03:06:10,000
Speaker 14: people about exchanging their reality rather than escaping the out

3467
03:06:10,240 --> 03:06:13,760
Speaker 14: reality to do drugs and alcohol and sex promisecurity. We

3468
03:06:13,879 --> 03:06:15,840
Speaker 14: have to talk to them about that too, even as

3469
03:06:15,879 --> 03:06:19,959
Speaker 14: we attacked and target these other areas which you are

3470
03:06:20,000 --> 03:06:20,560
Speaker 14: talking about.

3471
03:06:20,640 --> 03:06:22,040
Speaker 4: So it's not either all all.

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Speaker 1: I thought right there, Dr Powers, I had to finish

3473
03:06:24,040 --> 03:06:26,119
Speaker 1: our response to John's question on the other side, twenty

3474
03:06:26,160 --> 03:06:28,480
Speaker 1: three minutes away from the top. Our family, I guess

3475
03:06:28,560 --> 03:06:31,360
Speaker 1: this former FBI agent, doctor Tyrone Powers. You'd like to

3476
03:06:31,400 --> 03:06:33,240
Speaker 1: speak to him, reach out to us at eight hundred

3477
03:06:33,280 --> 03:06:36,240
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

3478
03:06:36,240 --> 03:06:38,960
Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, and

3479
03:06:39,000 --> 03:06:41,000
Speaker 1: thanks for sticking with us on this Monday morning. Thanks

3480
03:06:41,080 --> 03:06:42,560
Speaker 1: for starting a week with us and our guess the

3481
03:06:42,640 --> 03:06:45,280
Speaker 1: former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers. Before we go back

3482
03:06:45,320 --> 03:06:47,320
Speaker 1: to let me just remind you. Coming up later this week,

3483
03:06:47,320 --> 03:06:49,879
Speaker 1: you're going to hear from a civil rights activist, brother

3484
03:06:50,040 --> 03:06:52,320
Speaker 1: Willie Macassa ris As I mentioned, he was part of

3485
03:06:52,360 --> 03:06:55,200
Speaker 1: the Snake group of Marst with doctor King John John

3486
03:06:55,280 --> 03:06:58,920
Speaker 1: Lewis Kwame Terrey also married Barrass part of that group too,

3487
03:06:59,200 --> 03:07:01,560
Speaker 1: also a natural attic and holistic doctor. You get two

3488
03:07:01,600 --> 03:07:03,280
Speaker 1: for one here with doctor A will be with us.

3489
03:07:03,560 --> 03:07:07,599
Speaker 1: One of Malcolm's daughters, actually his third daughter, doctor A Shapas,

3490
03:07:07,600 --> 03:07:09,840
Speaker 1: will check in as well. I'm professor Manning one Pin

3491
03:07:10,600 --> 03:07:13,400
Speaker 1: from Contracostal College and out in California and Northern California

3492
03:07:13,400 --> 03:07:15,400
Speaker 1: will be here. So if you're in Baltimore, make sure

3493
03:07:15,440 --> 03:07:17,240
Speaker 1: you keep you READI locked in tight on ten ten

3494
03:07:17,440 --> 03:07:20,000
Speaker 1: WLB or if you're in the DMV run fourteen fifteen

3495
03:07:20,200 --> 03:07:22,680
Speaker 1: w L. So, doctor Palas, how much you finish responding

3496
03:07:22,720 --> 03:07:24,800
Speaker 1: to John's question, They've got some more folks got questions

3497
03:07:24,840 --> 03:07:25,040
Speaker 1: for you.

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03:07:25,920 --> 03:07:29,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, I'll just be brief. That's just a multi factor

3499
03:07:29,040 --> 03:07:31,720
Speaker 14: that approach. There definitely people that should have been prosecuted.

3500
03:07:32,680 --> 03:07:34,960
Speaker 14: But on the other hand, as we even as we

3501
03:07:35,120 --> 03:07:38,560
Speaker 14: pursue that part of dealing with this particular problem, we

3502
03:07:38,720 --> 03:07:40,760
Speaker 14: also got to deal with it on the ground level

3503
03:07:40,800 --> 03:07:43,920
Speaker 14: by talking to our young people about and not escaping

3504
03:07:43,920 --> 03:07:46,720
Speaker 14: their reality, but changing their reality, staying away from these

3505
03:07:46,800 --> 03:07:49,440
Speaker 14: substances as much as we can. And I know I'm

3506
03:07:49,480 --> 03:07:51,520
Speaker 14: not naive enough to know it's going to work with everybody,

3507
03:07:51,520 --> 03:07:53,959
Speaker 14: because people are dealing with mental health, mental illness issues

3508
03:07:54,560 --> 03:07:57,800
Speaker 14: and depression and sadness. But we have at least got

3509
03:07:57,959 --> 03:07:59,879
Speaker 14: to say it. We've got to have a multi fat

3510
03:08:00,120 --> 03:08:03,000
Speaker 14: to an approach to dealing with this particular problem. Because

3511
03:08:03,080 --> 03:08:06,760
Speaker 14: there is no demand, it is a more effective way

3512
03:08:06,920 --> 03:08:09,160
Speaker 14: of dealing with the supply because as long as there

3513
03:08:10,000 --> 03:08:12,560
Speaker 14: is a demand, they're going to be people who find

3514
03:08:12,600 --> 03:08:14,760
Speaker 14: a way to make sure that we stay high.

3515
03:08:16,840 --> 03:08:18,879
Speaker 1: Got you fifteen away from the top. They are eight

3516
03:08:18,959 --> 03:08:21,960
Speaker 1: hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy says Cliff

3517
03:08:22,040 --> 03:08:24,720
Speaker 1: in Connecticut, is online one grand rising, Cliff, your question

3518
03:08:24,840 --> 03:08:26,480
Speaker 1: for doctor powers a.

3519
03:08:26,560 --> 03:08:30,440
Speaker 18: Grand resident, brother Karl. Then and to your guest mister Powell.

3520
03:08:30,720 --> 03:08:32,680
Speaker 18: And also he said that you are a god bless

3521
03:08:32,920 --> 03:08:36,080
Speaker 18: you are a blessing, and we thank God for you.

3522
03:08:36,520 --> 03:08:40,440
Speaker 18: So how about that, brother Carl. But anyway, brother type

3523
03:08:40,440 --> 03:08:45,680
Speaker 18: of listen. In your opinion, there have been congressional hearings,

3524
03:08:47,080 --> 03:08:50,720
Speaker 18: and also before I go there, Trump has under his

3525
03:08:50,800 --> 03:08:54,720
Speaker 18: administration he's created the Space Force, and right now there

3526
03:08:55,080 --> 03:08:59,840
Speaker 18: are a bunch of congressional hearings on they call up upos,

3527
03:09:00,920 --> 03:09:06,200
Speaker 18: unfined identifying objects or whatever. So my question to you,

3528
03:09:06,840 --> 03:09:11,320
Speaker 18: do you believe that there are other existence, other beings

3529
03:09:11,840 --> 03:09:15,120
Speaker 18: in your opinion? And what are your thoughts?

3530
03:09:15,240 --> 03:09:19,000
Speaker 4: What are they? Well, two things, I don't know what

3531
03:09:19,160 --> 03:09:19,480
Speaker 4: they are.

3532
03:09:19,720 --> 03:09:22,960
Speaker 14: I'm not arrogant enough to believe that in this entire

3533
03:09:23,080 --> 03:09:27,080
Speaker 14: universe we're the only entity that exists or ever has existed,

3534
03:09:27,120 --> 03:09:30,000
Speaker 14: that ever will exist. I know people have their own

3535
03:09:30,480 --> 03:09:34,200
Speaker 14: religious and spiritual beliefs, but I'm not arrogant enough to

3536
03:09:34,240 --> 03:09:38,279
Speaker 14: believe that they don't exist, and that in this entire universe,

3537
03:09:38,879 --> 03:09:42,600
Speaker 14: which is as you probably know from studying science and

3538
03:09:43,160 --> 03:09:46,600
Speaker 14: your science classes even in elementary school, in this entire universe,

3539
03:09:47,840 --> 03:09:48,800
Speaker 14: I cannot.

3540
03:09:50,040 --> 03:09:55,560
Speaker 4: Conclude that we're the only things or only entities that exist.

3541
03:09:55,800 --> 03:09:58,240
Speaker 4: So that's all I can say about.

3542
03:09:58,000 --> 03:10:01,440
Speaker 1: That all right away. From the top of that, Thanks Cliff,

3543
03:10:01,480 --> 03:10:04,680
Speaker 1: Let's go to Baltimore and Mark's online for Grand Rising. Mark,

3544
03:10:04,680 --> 03:10:06,920
Speaker 1: you a question for doctor Tyrone Powers.

3545
03:10:07,640 --> 03:10:11,879
Speaker 19: Here Grand rising guys, Doctor Powers, are your book.

3546
03:10:11,840 --> 03:10:13,760
Speaker 4: Odds to the odds to your soul?

3547
03:10:13,840 --> 03:10:15,600
Speaker 19: I couldn't put it down when I picked it up,

3548
03:10:15,920 --> 03:10:18,320
Speaker 19: but I want to thank you for being everything that

3549
03:10:18,440 --> 03:10:24,880
Speaker 19: you are Invaltimore. My question, Malcaele said, we're not outnumbered,

3550
03:10:24,920 --> 03:10:27,480
Speaker 19: were all organized. He said black people shouldn't be killing

3551
03:10:27,560 --> 03:10:30,160
Speaker 19: each other. And he said there can be no black

3552
03:10:30,200 --> 03:10:34,360
Speaker 19: white unity to his black unity. And what how do

3553
03:10:34,440 --> 03:10:37,960
Speaker 19: you feel like in Baltimore we haven't had that? And

3554
03:10:38,080 --> 03:10:42,640
Speaker 19: what was the impact of Eric Barron and the State's

3555
03:10:42,680 --> 03:10:46,920
Speaker 19: attorney working together to bring down the crime and murder

3556
03:10:47,000 --> 03:10:47,640
Speaker 19: in Baltimore.

3557
03:10:49,040 --> 03:10:50,840
Speaker 14: Well, I think there's a number of entities that have

3558
03:10:50,920 --> 03:10:54,480
Speaker 14: worked diligently to bring down crime and married in Baltimore.

3559
03:10:54,600 --> 03:10:57,080
Speaker 14: Some of them get recognized, some of them don't get recognized.

3560
03:10:57,080 --> 03:11:00,520
Speaker 14: And I think that if you're sincerely doing this work

3561
03:11:00,600 --> 03:11:02,280
Speaker 14: for a righteous reason, then you.

3562
03:11:03,360 --> 03:11:04,720
Speaker 4: Maybe you should be recognized.

3563
03:11:04,760 --> 03:11:07,120
Speaker 14: But even if you're not recognized, you never started to

3564
03:11:07,200 --> 03:11:12,600
Speaker 14: work for recognition anyway. I truly believe that every entity

3565
03:11:12,720 --> 03:11:15,800
Speaker 14: in this particular city, State's Attorney's office, the Mayor's office,

3566
03:11:15,840 --> 03:11:19,240
Speaker 14: the state legislators, the city Council should be working to

3567
03:11:20,040 --> 03:11:23,680
Speaker 14: not only dramatically reduce crime, but enhance the life chances

3568
03:11:23,720 --> 03:11:26,560
Speaker 14: of individuals in the city. Because an individual who is

3569
03:11:26,640 --> 03:11:28,720
Speaker 14: not the victim of crime doesn't mean they're not the

3570
03:11:28,800 --> 03:11:31,920
Speaker 14: victim of poverty, which is violencing crime in and of itself.

3571
03:11:32,280 --> 03:11:36,000
Speaker 14: So all those things we should be working together to address,

3572
03:11:36,160 --> 03:11:38,560
Speaker 14: and we shouldn't let other entities put.

3573
03:11:38,480 --> 03:11:39,360
Speaker 4: Us against each other.

3574
03:11:39,480 --> 03:11:42,920
Speaker 14: You know, I recently saw the State's attorney's press conference

3575
03:11:42,959 --> 03:11:45,440
Speaker 14: when he talked about not working with the Office of Mandity,

3576
03:11:45,920 --> 03:11:48,039
Speaker 14: which he has a right to do, but I'm hoping

3577
03:11:48,120 --> 03:11:50,160
Speaker 14: that he would set down with the mayn with other

3578
03:11:50,200 --> 03:11:53,000
Speaker 14: people first before you hold a press conference, because there

3579
03:11:53,000 --> 03:11:56,160
Speaker 14: are people who benefit from our division. I think these

3580
03:11:56,440 --> 03:12:00,920
Speaker 14: are capable and intelligence leaders. I think the other entities

3581
03:12:01,040 --> 03:12:03,400
Speaker 14: we all us, the other community, The other entities in

3582
03:12:03,440 --> 03:12:06,360
Speaker 14: the community that are working dramatically reduced The educators in

3583
03:12:06,440 --> 03:12:09,920
Speaker 14: the school systems are sincere. They're unsincere, and they're sincere

3584
03:12:10,080 --> 03:12:12,560
Speaker 14: people in the school system, But I think that they

3585
03:12:12,600 --> 03:12:15,640
Speaker 14: should all be working together. But they also even in

3586
03:12:15,879 --> 03:12:20,600
Speaker 14: most educated amongst us, have to understand this technique and

3587
03:12:20,680 --> 03:12:22,840
Speaker 14: the strategy of divide and conquered.

3588
03:12:22,879 --> 03:12:23,480
Speaker 18: If we don't.

3589
03:12:23,400 --> 03:12:26,800
Speaker 14: Understand that, then we'll be so into ourselves. Even our

3590
03:12:26,959 --> 03:12:30,840
Speaker 14: brother Malcolm X, who was brought in by the Honible

3591
03:12:30,840 --> 03:12:33,120
Speaker 14: Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam, there was the

3592
03:12:33,280 --> 03:12:37,320
Speaker 14: vision created there by the FBI planning people inserting people,

3593
03:12:37,760 --> 03:12:40,800
Speaker 14: having Malcolm make statements like I brought in Muhammad Ali

3594
03:12:40,879 --> 03:12:42,440
Speaker 14: wise Elijah Muhammad taking credit.

3595
03:12:42,760 --> 03:12:43,840
Speaker 4: Even the best of.

3596
03:12:43,959 --> 03:12:47,240
Speaker 14: Us and the most brilliant amongst us, and the most

3597
03:12:47,360 --> 03:12:51,000
Speaker 14: conscious amongst us, always have to be aware of that

3598
03:12:51,400 --> 03:12:54,400
Speaker 14: entity that exists that are trying to get us to

3599
03:12:54,480 --> 03:12:57,440
Speaker 14: be divided from our brother and are trying to get

3600
03:12:57,560 --> 03:12:59,680
Speaker 14: us to set up a scenario where you have to

3601
03:12:59,720 --> 03:13:01,960
Speaker 14: be on one side or the other, but you just

3602
03:13:02,040 --> 03:13:03,600
Speaker 14: can't be on the side of righteousness.

3603
03:13:07,040 --> 03:13:11,240
Speaker 1: Got your doctor, doctor powers eight hundred four or five

3604
03:13:11,360 --> 03:13:13,320
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight to seventy six. I gotta ask you

3605
03:13:13,400 --> 03:13:17,080
Speaker 1: this question. Three of Trump's folks are on the hot seat.

3606
03:13:17,360 --> 03:13:22,039
Speaker 1: Christy Nolm, FBI cash matail defense of Pete Hexaith. Who

3607
03:13:22,080 --> 03:13:23,600
Speaker 1: do you think is going to get chopped first? Or

3608
03:13:23,879 --> 03:13:25,000
Speaker 1: do you think he's going to make a move on

3609
03:13:25,080 --> 03:13:25,440
Speaker 1: all of them?

3610
03:13:26,879 --> 03:13:30,120
Speaker 14: I don't know, because Trump is so unpredictable. He is

3611
03:13:30,360 --> 03:13:36,200
Speaker 14: a narcissistic personality with clearly some issues, some mental health issues,

3612
03:13:36,480 --> 03:13:36,720
Speaker 14: So you.

3613
03:13:36,879 --> 03:13:40,199
Speaker 4: Never know what strategically and what logically he should.

3614
03:13:40,000 --> 03:13:40,840
Speaker 3: Do to go after that.

3615
03:13:41,240 --> 03:13:44,120
Speaker 14: He will do anything in everything he do will be

3616
03:13:44,280 --> 03:13:47,520
Speaker 14: designed to protect his reputation and what he wants, not

3617
03:13:47,680 --> 03:13:50,679
Speaker 14: for the batterment of the country, not for the batterment.

3618
03:13:50,360 --> 03:13:51,200
Speaker 4: Of the organization.

3619
03:13:51,320 --> 03:13:54,440
Speaker 14: But that's what narcisstic personalities do, whether they're in the

3620
03:13:54,480 --> 03:13:56,760
Speaker 14: office of the president, or in the mayor's office, or

3621
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Speaker 14: in our own households. And they are unpredictable that you

3622
03:14:00,680 --> 03:14:03,879
Speaker 14: can predict whatever decision they make and will benefit them,

3623
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Speaker 14: and it doesn't matter what it does for or against

3624
03:14:06,560 --> 03:14:07,199
Speaker 14: anyone else.

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03:14:08,520 --> 03:14:10,520
Speaker 1: But do you think that they will make out through

3626
03:14:10,520 --> 03:14:12,920
Speaker 1: the new year. You think at some point all three

3627
03:14:12,959 --> 03:14:14,400
Speaker 1: of them will be gone. You think he's looking for

3628
03:14:14,440 --> 03:14:17,400
Speaker 1: their replacements, because you know, you can't go by what

3629
03:14:17,520 --> 03:14:19,320
Speaker 1: you hear on the internet. Have to see the reports.

3630
03:14:19,400 --> 03:14:22,640
Speaker 1: But some of the reports that he's already selected their replacements,

3631
03:14:23,680 --> 03:14:24,160
Speaker 1: and if he.

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03:14:24,200 --> 03:14:28,080
Speaker 14: Does, he's negotiating with them for how that transition will

3633
03:14:28,120 --> 03:14:28,600
Speaker 14: take place.

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03:14:28,680 --> 03:14:31,920
Speaker 4: He's never the thing I have. The people who are

3635
03:14:31,920 --> 03:14:35,760
Speaker 4: around him, he have a certain loyalty towards people who

3636
03:14:35,920 --> 03:14:38,600
Speaker 4: support him, and even if he has to take him

3637
03:14:38,640 --> 03:14:41,439
Speaker 4: out of position, he doesn't take him out of circulation.

3638
03:14:41,879 --> 03:14:43,960
Speaker 4: And so that might very well be true that he's

3639
03:14:44,200 --> 03:14:49,280
Speaker 4: already identified their replacement. But I wouldn't be surprised if

3640
03:14:49,440 --> 03:14:53,080
Speaker 4: he's identified their replacement, that they've help him identify their

3641
03:14:53,160 --> 03:14:58,880
Speaker 4: replacement and he've already negotiated, or he doesn't really negotiate,

3642
03:14:58,959 --> 03:15:02,000
Speaker 4: he dictates other positions for them to be in where

3643
03:15:02,040 --> 03:15:04,040
Speaker 4: they will be just as successful as he did with

3644
03:15:04,160 --> 03:15:06,720
Speaker 4: Elon Musk, where people thought they had a fallen out

3645
03:15:06,760 --> 03:15:08,000
Speaker 4: when they really had a fallen in.

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03:15:09,080 --> 03:15:11,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, ate away from the top. I'll ask you about

3647
03:15:11,160 --> 03:15:15,800
Speaker 1: your former agency, the FBI. I know you're not there anymore,

3648
03:15:15,840 --> 03:15:18,280
Speaker 1: but you know folks who work there, and you can

3649
03:15:18,440 --> 03:15:23,160
Speaker 1: gauge the sentiment about Cash Bertel with him with you know,

3650
03:15:23,320 --> 03:15:25,600
Speaker 1: using the private plane for his girlfriend and all that

3651
03:15:25,720 --> 03:15:28,920
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Yes, and we understand some of the

3652
03:15:28,959 --> 03:15:31,880
Speaker 1: agents are not as much as upset through it, but

3653
03:15:32,040 --> 03:15:34,920
Speaker 1: just disappointed in Cash Bertel. What are you hearing from

3654
03:15:35,080 --> 03:15:36,560
Speaker 1: some of your former agents.

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03:15:37,959 --> 03:15:40,680
Speaker 14: They're not only disappointed, they're upset. In fact, they're the

3656
03:15:40,760 --> 03:15:43,400
Speaker 14: ones who have moved Cash retail from wearing an FBI

3657
03:15:43,520 --> 03:15:45,520
Speaker 14: jacket to a suit and tie. If you notice the

3658
03:15:45,600 --> 03:15:48,039
Speaker 14: recent press conference that they said, this is an embarrassment

3659
03:15:48,320 --> 03:15:50,400
Speaker 14: to the history of the agency. Now, the agency haven't

3660
03:15:50,400 --> 03:15:52,720
Speaker 14: always been kind of black people in general, but the

3661
03:15:52,840 --> 03:15:55,400
Speaker 14: sentiment in the agency now is that this has almost

3662
03:15:55,480 --> 03:16:02,640
Speaker 14: become a circus, unprecedented turks that had never been this

3663
03:16:03,120 --> 03:16:08,160
Speaker 14: disorganized or chaotic, or led by individual with the least

3664
03:16:08,200 --> 03:16:11,760
Speaker 14: amount of knowledge in terms of law enforcement, policing and intelligence.

3665
03:16:11,760 --> 03:16:13,959
Speaker 14: Because you got to remember, the FBI is not only

3666
03:16:14,040 --> 03:16:17,560
Speaker 14: the lead the agency in terms of these federal prosecutions,

3667
03:16:17,640 --> 03:16:20,120
Speaker 14: because they're the lead agency for the Department of Justice.

3668
03:16:20,480 --> 03:16:23,000
Speaker 14: So when the Department of Justice want to prosecute someone,

3669
03:16:23,040 --> 03:16:26,760
Speaker 14: they use the FBI to go out and do the investigation.

3670
03:16:26,879 --> 03:16:29,600
Speaker 14: But according to Ronald Reagan, THEYD lead the agency on

3671
03:16:29,879 --> 03:16:32,160
Speaker 14: terrorism and counter terrorism, and there are people who are

3672
03:16:32,200 --> 03:16:35,880
Speaker 14: involved specifically in those specialties that are saying that this

3673
03:16:36,080 --> 03:16:38,440
Speaker 14: is this is ridiculous, and they're not coming out and

3674
03:16:38,480 --> 03:16:43,040
Speaker 14: saying it because the agency trains their people to exercise

3675
03:16:43,120 --> 03:16:45,360
Speaker 14: their right to remain silent in all things. But I

3676
03:16:45,440 --> 03:16:48,359
Speaker 14: can tell you from talking to people people in that organization,

3677
03:16:49,080 --> 03:16:52,800
Speaker 14: certainly people of color in that organization that this is

3678
03:16:53,320 --> 03:16:55,880
Speaker 14: the worst it's ever been in terms of the leadership,

3679
03:16:56,480 --> 03:16:59,360
Speaker 14: not in terms of the operations of the leadership, but

3680
03:16:59,480 --> 03:17:01,680
Speaker 14: in terms of the representation of the leadership.

3681
03:17:01,720 --> 03:17:03,680
Speaker 4: And then now it's to the leadership that's put in place,

3682
03:17:04,280 --> 03:17:09,000
Speaker 4: and that's that's the feeling internally. Now, Now, how that

3683
03:17:09,160 --> 03:17:11,920
Speaker 4: will what what what what the consequences and result of

3684
03:17:11,959 --> 03:17:15,000
Speaker 4: that will be will be interesting to see, except that

3685
03:17:15,160 --> 03:17:18,039
Speaker 4: he's trying to hold onto the position by going from

3686
03:17:18,120 --> 03:17:21,360
Speaker 4: jeans and t shirts and jackets to suit and ties.

3687
03:17:21,440 --> 03:17:25,440
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I've noticed that. And doctor Powers, when you

3688
03:17:25,520 --> 03:17:27,959
Speaker 1: were sworn in, did you take an oath of office

3689
03:17:28,040 --> 03:17:30,000
Speaker 1: or was that part of it? Or And the question

3690
03:17:30,120 --> 03:17:34,520
Speaker 1: I asked is, these days you have to auto automatically, uh,

3691
03:17:35,120 --> 03:17:37,720
Speaker 1: swear an oath of office or swear loyalty to Donald Trump?

3692
03:17:38,320 --> 03:17:40,520
Speaker 1: Did you have to take when you were sworn in?

3693
03:17:40,680 --> 03:17:42,560
Speaker 1: Did you you know, the earth of office to defend

3694
03:17:42,600 --> 03:17:44,640
Speaker 1: the constitutions in the United States and lay your hand

3695
03:17:44,680 --> 03:17:45,000
Speaker 1: and all that.

3696
03:17:45,760 --> 03:17:46,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, we took the stand that though.

3697
03:17:46,959 --> 03:17:50,120
Speaker 14: What's interesting about the FBI is that they actually swear

3698
03:17:50,200 --> 03:17:54,160
Speaker 14: you in the day you begin the academy. Most organizations,

3699
03:17:54,200 --> 03:17:58,000
Speaker 14: whether it's police agencies or federal other federal agencies, you get,

3700
03:17:58,160 --> 03:18:00,760
Speaker 14: you take your old after you finished the academy, you're

3701
03:18:00,800 --> 03:18:04,160
Speaker 14: fully trained technically. Today you join the FBI as you're

3702
03:18:04,160 --> 03:18:05,320
Speaker 14: going into the academy, you.

3703
03:18:05,400 --> 03:18:05,920
Speaker 4: Take that open.

3704
03:18:06,040 --> 03:18:08,680
Speaker 14: You've never had to take loyalty. It was the standard

3705
03:18:08,720 --> 03:18:11,800
Speaker 14: oath that everyone takes, whether it's an inauguration of a

3706
03:18:11,879 --> 03:18:15,720
Speaker 14: president or a Supreme Court justice. It was never a

3707
03:18:15,920 --> 03:18:20,200
Speaker 14: loyalty requirement to any entity or any individual. We're we're

3708
03:18:20,240 --> 03:18:23,720
Speaker 14: in a very interesting and unique situation, and it'll be

3709
03:18:23,840 --> 03:18:27,760
Speaker 14: interested in to see even how some Republicans deal with

3710
03:18:27,959 --> 03:18:33,760
Speaker 14: this kind of a dictatorship. It's not even a benevolent dictatorship,

3711
03:18:33,800 --> 03:18:34,720
Speaker 14: but a dictatorship.

3712
03:18:36,360 --> 03:18:38,640
Speaker 1: That's so true. And the title of your book again

3713
03:18:38,720 --> 03:18:39,439
Speaker 1: at doctor.

3714
03:18:39,240 --> 03:18:43,120
Speaker 14: Powers to my soul, the Rise or Decline of a

3715
03:18:43,240 --> 03:18:44,240
Speaker 14: black FBI agent.

3716
03:18:44,440 --> 03:18:48,039
Speaker 4: And as you know, I'm working on moving away from

3717
03:18:48,080 --> 03:18:50,880
Speaker 4: some other things so i can complete some other books

3718
03:18:50,920 --> 03:18:53,320
Speaker 4: and projects. Now I've written other books, but they actually

3719
03:18:53,400 --> 03:18:56,920
Speaker 4: been chapters and other people's books, or written in other

3720
03:18:56,959 --> 03:19:00,000
Speaker 4: people's books and other people's writings. But my original book,

3721
03:19:00,000 --> 03:19:02,240
Speaker 4: because I ask to my soul, the rise or decline

3722
03:19:02,760 --> 03:19:03,920
Speaker 4: of a black FBI agent.

3723
03:19:04,480 --> 03:19:06,199
Speaker 1: So when are we going to see the follow.

3724
03:19:06,000 --> 03:19:09,680
Speaker 14: Up relatively soon now that I'm moving away from some

3725
03:19:09,800 --> 03:19:13,840
Speaker 14: other projects and some traveling and focusing and on getting

3726
03:19:13,920 --> 03:19:17,320
Speaker 14: that done. Making to the priority based on the the

3727
03:19:18,959 --> 03:19:21,760
Speaker 14: other people telling me this, which should be my priority

3728
03:19:21,840 --> 03:19:24,080
Speaker 14: at this particular time, because I could reach people around

3729
03:19:24,120 --> 03:19:26,440
Speaker 14: the world rather than reach people just locally.

3730
03:19:27,400 --> 03:19:29,800
Speaker 1: All right, and thank you, thank you doctor Palas. Thank

3731
03:19:29,800 --> 03:19:32,840
Speaker 1: you for all the shared with us this morning.

3732
03:19:33,440 --> 03:19:36,119
Speaker 14: Anytime you call Carled, I'm gonna come on. I appreciate

3733
03:19:36,160 --> 03:19:38,280
Speaker 14: what you do. I appreciate everyone you bring on, and

3734
03:19:38,320 --> 03:19:40,960
Speaker 14: I appreciate the line, the light that you shine on

3735
03:19:41,560 --> 03:19:44,920
Speaker 14: all those messiahs, some who get recognitions, some who don't,

3736
03:19:45,040 --> 03:19:47,920
Speaker 14: or out now community trying to make things better for

3737
03:19:48,000 --> 03:19:49,920
Speaker 14: our people, our children, and to be honest with you,

3738
03:19:50,040 --> 03:19:51,039
Speaker 14: for the world in general.

3739
03:19:51,600 --> 03:19:53,920
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for those kind words at doctor Powers.

3740
03:19:54,040 --> 03:19:56,560
Speaker 1: Thank you again. Thank you sharing your thoughts this morning. Family,

3741
03:19:56,640 --> 03:19:59,800
Speaker 1: that's said for the day. Classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,

3742
03:20:00,120 --> 03:20:02,720
Speaker 1: please please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six

3743
03:20:02,760 --> 03:20:06,160
Speaker 1: o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and

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03:20:06,240 --> 03:20:09,480
Speaker 1: also on the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL