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Speaker 1: My name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with

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Speaker 1: a very special in studio guests.

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Speaker 2: He is the governor for the great State of Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Governor Mike Brown joins us, I know you're a busy guy.

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Speaker 3: It's the holidays, so kind.

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Speaker 2: Of like Trump last night on that speech, this is

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Speaker 2: gonna be a rapid fire. We're gonna go as fast

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Speaker 3: I'm ready. I like your new digs here, Thank you,

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Speaker 2: Now we don't have a beer in here because we

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Speaker 2: were told by management and I'm parafra I'm paraphrasing, no

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Speaker 2: drinks in the studio or you're fired. But we figured

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Speaker 2: if anybody could, you know, maybe give an executive order,

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Speaker 2: it'd be you.

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Speaker 3: Like, I'll take it under consideration.

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Speaker 2: All draft an executive order that says drinks in the

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Speaker 3: All we need is your signature. That's it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is the first time we've had a chance

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Speaker 4: So I think whenever you make a statement like that

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Speaker 3: We ended up with farty.

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Speaker 4: And you got all the forces across the pick a

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Speaker 4: and no one issue ever defines what you're going through.

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Speaker 4: That was mostly about different camps within the Republican Party.

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Speaker 4: And even close to what you do in campaigns, So

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Speaker 1: So I heard a Senator Chris Gartin, who is the

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, sorry, I was confusing crowds with Becky cash

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about your Lieutenant Governor, Micah Beckwith. This

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Speaker 2: Long story short, Did he lie about Donald Trump threatening

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Speaker 4: No, he did not, but he based it upon things

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Speaker 4: And I think he deleted that because when he looked

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Speaker 2: Have you had any conversations with your staff, your governor,

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Speaker 4: I've had that discussion on other issues, and I think

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Speaker 3: You know that I think is what evokes it.

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Speaker 4: But there's been no conversation in the most important way

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Speaker 2: Because the comments that Nige and I receive, and again

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Speaker 4: I'd say it's good. And however, I've told him and

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Speaker 3: Our state Senate didn't think it through. But I know

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Speaker 3: he wasn't your first choice. He wasn't your choice at all.

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Speaker 4: To be the one, just because I wanted somebody with

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Speaker 3: That was the reason there is.

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Speaker 1: There's somebody to change the law there about what the

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Speaker 4: Somebody's got a bill out there to where you'd do

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Speaker 2: on the Chicago Bears here in just a moment. Okay,

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Speaker 2: A lot of Bear fans are like, make sure the

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Speaker 3: So we'll get to that. But one thing though, and.

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Speaker 2: We sat here and told you right to your face

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Speaker 4: So, having enough experience of how you got legislation through

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Speaker 4: Because I think they're footdraggers and they don't think big

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Speaker 3: Do you figure out what you guys wanted you thought.

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Speaker 2: The school boards and local officials like bossed around leaders

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Speaker 3: They certainly do.

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Speaker 2: The board say we're going to go bankrupt. These cities

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Speaker 4: They got used to the gravy train through COVID where

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Speaker 3: So we got a lot done with that.

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Speaker 4: And yes, these local government officials I've been meeting with them,

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Speaker 4: did a lot this week. They know they got to

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Speaker 4: run things more leanly. It won't be the end of

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Speaker 4: the world. They're still getting more money than they did

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Speaker 4: the year before, but it's going to lower bills for

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Speaker 4: two thirds of taxpayers. And then I got to get

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Speaker 4: this in because this was the best day of news

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Speaker 4: since I've been governor. It started when we looked at

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Speaker 4: our local GDP growth here in Indiana double that of

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Speaker 4: Illinois and Ohio at two point six percent, triple that

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Speaker 4: economic development and cleaning house there with a completely new

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Speaker 4: board membership, we got great news that we raised wages

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Speaker 4: spending one third as much on an incentimized job from

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Speaker 4: fifty five thousand down to seventeen. And the budget just

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Speaker 4: got released for what we're looking at now, we've cut

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Speaker 4: it by We've added back a billion dollars where remember

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Speaker 4: we had to cut a billion because we've managed government well.

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Speaker 4: We're growing the economy better than anyone else in our

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Speaker 4: peer group. That's what I came here for. Those are

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Speaker 4: good results, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, hammer last thing here, governors, here it comes.

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Speaker 2: How serious of a player is the state of Indiana

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Speaker 2: and alluring the Chicago Bears because their ownership, their leadership,

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Speaker 2: their management puts out a statement and it's out there

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Speaker 2: on social media saying they're open to working with Northwest.

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Speaker 3: Indiana for a new stadium, So.

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Speaker 2: Hammond, Indiana, you know, Gary, Aria, these are the places

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Speaker 2: we're talking about here. How serious of a player is

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Speaker 2: Indiana and luring the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 4: So there's only one question to answer or answer to

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Speaker 4: to restage it to bargain with where they were going

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Speaker 4: there is in having a business in Illinois versus one

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Speaker 4: all the things I just talked about to where we're

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Speaker 4: that much better than Illinois. And when I remind them

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Speaker 4: that Indiana is the only state that's had net migration

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Speaker 4: And you know where they're coming from, Illinois, mostly Chicago. Well,

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Speaker 4: there's going to be a lot to work with, and

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Speaker 4: the other side has gotten a wake up call. But

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Speaker 4: I don't believe they would have come this far unless

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Speaker 4: they've been snubbed there for about six months.

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Speaker 2: Now, does the state of Indiana need the approval of

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Speaker 2: a feeling the Earthsays would probably not be too keen

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Speaker 4: There has to be agreement, I think within the NFL,

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Speaker 4: and my understanding is that it's in a completely different

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Speaker 4: public forum, that means something wasn't working well in the

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Speaker 4: place they'd probably like to have it, but they said,

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Speaker 4: you're on your own, we're not interested. We'll see if

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Speaker 4: that changes. We now got the opening to make the

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Speaker 4: case for moving them here. I don't think they'll be

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Speaker 4: called the Gary or Hammond Bears what I like, But

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be the.

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Speaker 2: Chicago Bears either, right, I don't want to have that

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Speaker 3: I don't want the Chicago name if they're going to

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Speaker 4: Hey, let's just be happy that it's a conversation and

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Speaker 4: we'll see where it goes from here.

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Speaker 2: The governor appreciate you, Thank you so much. You're welcome

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Speaker 2: and your Hammer and Nigel show