1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm Nigel Hammer right over there with a very special 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: guests on the hotline. 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 2: Bobby Burrak is a writer at OutKick dot com, one 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: of our favorites. Bobby, this NBA betting scandal, there are 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: so many different avenues we can go down. I said earlier. 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: The thing that's got my attention is the technology here, 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: the things that were taking place on that poker table. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: To me, that's way more crazy than the concept of 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 2: NBA guys dabbling and gambling. 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 3: What about you, Yeah, I'm so with you. 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 4: What was it with the X ray technology and the 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 4: contact lens and wild stuff. Look, I have always, admittedly 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 4: been really fascinated by the mob I've spent far too 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 4: many hours reading about the mob watching documentaries, and I 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 4: would say, can you imagine if some of those mobsters 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 4: had this technology what they would have been able to accomplish. 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 4: So that's point number one, And I think point number 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 4: two is it doesn't seem like. 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: This is a conclusion, right. 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 4: I think this is just the tip of the iceberg here. 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 4: We're probably going to learn a lot more and probably 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 4: other investigations as well. I assume this stuff goes on 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 4: more often. 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 3: I don't know if this to that degree with the technology, But. 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 4: As far as athletes and coaches betting, I think it's 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 4: going to continue to be a scandal. And that raises 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 4: the point what happens here because I certainly don't see 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 4: the leagues like the NBA distancing themselves from gambling. So 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: it creates this conundrum that's really awkward, I think, frustrating 30 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 4: the people on the outside. But nonetheless, I just I 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 4: think in a week from now, a month from now, 32 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 4: we're still going to be talking about stuff like this. 33 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: Well, Bobby who's implicated in this? How big of names 34 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: are there and how many people are there and what 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: is happening moving forward? 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean right now, the big names are Chunky Billups, 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: Portland Trailblazer's coach Finals MVP for the Pistons, who, by 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 4: the way, the last time or the Detroit Sports have 39 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 4: won a national title. So I do thank mister Billups 40 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 4: for that. 41 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: Terry Rose Deer, those are the big names. 42 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 4: Well, they're not completely We're not involved. And we do 43 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 4: have a report from Ryan Windhorse that some of the 44 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 4: points shaving and as far as leaking information and tipping 45 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 4: people off related to Lebron James and Anthony Davis. I 46 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 4: think one case was Lebron James not playing in a 47 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 4: game and somebody involved tipped others off and that obviously 48 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 4: changed the points spread pretty drastically. But the highlight right 49 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 4: now I think is Billups, who I know. People said, wait, 50 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 4: he seems like such a. 51 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 3: Well mannered, nice guy, right. I agree, But. 52 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 4: At the same time, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. 53 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: I think this thing is really dark. 54 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: I actually was just reading or or from Brian wyn Horse, 55 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 4: who's probably the most connected NBA reporter as far as 56 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 4: being able to actually contextualize what's going on. He said, 57 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 4: to be honest, the NBA doesn't really care that much 58 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 4: about the poker stuff they're going to pretend to, but 59 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 4: they're worried about the integrity of the game, the leaking, 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 4: the sources, the inside sources, and I think that is 61 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 4: going to be the focus here. 62 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: So from an NBA perspective, what do you do here? 63 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: Because they've kind of gone all in like most sports 64 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: leagues have with professional gambling sites, whether it's DraftKings or 65 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: Fan Duel or Caesars, all the major leagues are in 66 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: bed with many of these outlets here. Like when I 67 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: watched the Pacers tonight at seven point thirty. I believe 68 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: it's on ESPN. I'm sure one of these sports betting 69 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: apps is going to be the sponsor for this. Does 70 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: the league have to dance around this? 71 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: Well, I know if you guys saw the segment this 72 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: morning on ESPN, they're just discussing this and they got 73 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 4: an ESPN bet logo on the cairn and they remove it, 74 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 4: big segment segment because of how. 75 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: Bizarre that looks. I mean, here's the truth. Do I 76 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 3: think the leagues. 77 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 4: Are going to distance themselves from fan duel DraftKings? Don't 78 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 4: because these leagues are hypocrites, and I think that they 79 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 4: will deal with these scandals while taking money from the 80 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 4: sports books. It is going to be a problem because 81 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: again I'm not convinced these are the only people participating 82 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 4: in this type of activity. There's certainly not the only 83 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 4: people gambling on sports that they're involved with or others. 84 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: And we mentioned the n b A. I don't know, 85 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 3: would you. 86 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 4: Guys be surprised if this was also a case in 87 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 4: the NFL, Major League Baseball, going down the list hockey. 88 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 4: So my my antennas are up because I think there's 89 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 4: going to be a. 90 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: Lot more to this story. 91 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 4: But the answer your question directly, I think a league 92 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 4: like the NBA is going to say there's rules for 93 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 4: our coaches and our players, but there are different rules 94 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 4: as far as us accepting money from legal or from 95 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 4: legal gambling, Bobby. 96 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: Any idea how the FBI became aware of all of this. 97 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: This seems like a pretty extensive investigation that's been going 98 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: on for a while. It just takes one leaker, doesn't it. 99 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: It just takes one whistleblower. I mean, Chauncey Billups, for 100 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: God's sake, involved in some sort of mafia poker playing 101 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: scheme where there's technology used to help them cheat. Any 102 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: idea how this came to be. 103 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen speculation of a co conspirator mentioning it 104 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 4: to somebody, but nothing concrete. I don't know where the 105 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 4: initial tip came from yet. 106 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: But you're right. 107 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: I mean, in all these cases, just takes one person, 108 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 4: and it's not always intentional. Maybe just that one person 109 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 4: will say, hey, I got something interesting on Chaumpky Billips, 110 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 4: I got something interesting on Rogier, and then the FBI 111 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: starts investigating. My understanding is this. 112 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: Case has been years in the making. 113 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 4: The reason we know This is because Stephen A. Smith 114 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 4: went on TV and blamed Donald Trump with this investigation 115 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 4: predates Donald Trump. Joe Biden was in office when they 116 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 4: started looking into this, So I don't know exactly who 117 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 4: the whistleblower was, if we ever know, but I wouldn't 118 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 4: be surprised because a lot of times in these situations 119 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 4: it's somebody that's only partially aware, but it starts to 120 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 4: a domino effect. 121 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: Bobby Burrack of OutKick our guest here, check out his 122 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 2: work at OutKick dot com. And you bring up the 123 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: political ramifications of this. I know Stephen A. Smith is 124 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 2: already blaming Trump. I'm seeing folks on the right say, now, 125 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: wait a minute. People in Portland burned down police buildings, 126 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: assault people, nobody gets arrested. Yet we're gonna lock up 127 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: and throw away the key to a basketball coach. But 128 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: at the same time, Bobby, I got folks on the 129 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: left over here sending us messages going still nothing on Epstein, 130 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: but by god, we're gonna lock up the basketball coach. 131 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: Do you understand both sides like or is there some 132 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: sort of like we're blowing this all out of proportion? 133 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: I do. 134 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 4: I do agree with both sides because you mentioned the 135 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 4: Epstein case or burning down Portland, which I would consider more. 136 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: Severe than this. But at the same time, the. 137 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 4: Law doesn't always care about that. A lot of times 138 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 4: they care about what they can improve, what they can prove, 139 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 4: or what lobbyists are concerned with, and what they're not. 140 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: I think a case like this it's gonna be easier 141 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 4: for the FBI than the Epstein case, which I'm still 142 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 4: skeptical what they have in the possession and what they 143 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 4: don't have. Obviously, I think the people who burn down 144 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 4: Portland building should be arrested and punished to the highest degree, 145 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 4: but forever reason that didn't happen. So I get both sides, 146 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 4: I really do. I mean, look, am I going to 147 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 4: lose sleep over what these people did? No? Did I 148 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 4: lose sleep over some of the Black Lives Matters protesters? Well, 149 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 4: it certainly concerned me because I thought that stuff is 150 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 4: very dangerous, and I do think there are probably people 151 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 4: involved in the Epstein ring or whatever you call it, 152 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 4: that are walking free right now and they don't deserve to. 153 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 4: But that is the American justice system, right There are 154 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 4: people who go to jail for very petty crimes and 155 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 4: people are committing very violent crimes who are walking among us. 156 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: So, Bobby, last question for you, and this is a 157 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: question we've all asked each other here. If given the 158 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: opportunity to play cards in a mafia game, would you 159 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: say yes or no? 160 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 4: Of course? 161 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 2: Okay, right, of course one. 162 00:08:55,480 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 4: Do you guys understand the risk of saying no? Oh? 163 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that. 164 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the Sopranos episode, Bobby, there was a Sopranos 165 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: episode where like they got a big card game going 166 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: and LT's there and David Lee, Roth and Van Halen 167 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: are there. They're not working with the Sopranos. They're just 168 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: part of the card game. Like, I think you can 169 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: play the cards without having to work for the mob. 170 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 4: You know, Look, look, look, I am al Capone, very 171 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 4: violent dude. If I had a chance to sit and 172 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 4: have a drink with him at his bar in Chicago 173 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: where he, you know, looked at the door the whole time, 174 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 4: I would do it. I have a bit of a 175 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 4: soft spot for the mob a part because they fascinate me, 176 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: in a part because they terrify me. So if a mobster, 177 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 4: a known mobster, asked me to do anything, I'm saying yes, especially. 178 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: A poker game. 179 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: Put that on a T shirt. I have a saft 180 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: spot for the mob A quote Bobby Burok kick. 181 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 4: By way, if you see that pop up on some 182 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 4: substack account trying to crush it's well deserved, Bobby Man. 183 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: We appreciate it and we dig your work over it 184 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: out kick give him amorrow, old Man, Bobby burrack On 185 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: X Bobby, thanks so much. 186 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: Hey, thanks guys. 187 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.