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Speaker 1: Indiana and Oregon next on the docket for the Hoosiers

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Speaker 1: after a win against Wisconsin that and again, that's the

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Speaker 1: thing about this team if you look at their last

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Speaker 1: for that matter, two of their last three games, finding

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Speaker 1: finding ways to win is what you want from your team.

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Speaker 1: Don Fisher was on the call as Indiana found that

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Speaker 1: way against Wisconsin Oregon tonight eight thirty tip and they

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Speaker 1: will honor the nineteen seventy six undefeated Hoosiers DoD I'll

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Speaker 1: begin with this. One of those guys that you got

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Speaker 1: But I think it's time for Indiana basketball fans, not

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Speaker 1: that they haven't already to start giving Connor inright his flowers,

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Speaker 1: because he just finds way he's to make plays and

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Speaker 1: especially defensively, he can do exactly that. I thought he

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Speaker 1: Your overall thoughts on.

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Speaker 2: Him, well, I think he's played that way Jake through

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Speaker 2: much of the season. He is one of those guys

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Speaker 2: that could care about statistics. He loves to play the game.

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Speaker 2: He loves to win, and that's the most important thing

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Speaker 2: to him, and if it's pretty or it's not pretty,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't care. All he cares about is winning number

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Speaker 2: one and then number two being a major pain in

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Speaker 2: That's how hard he plays at the defensive end of

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Speaker 2: which you know he's been able to do that several

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Speaker 2: one of those guys that you're absolutely one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: right you hate him if he's not on your team,

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Speaker 2: or if he's yeah, he's out in your team. If

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Speaker 1: Don Indiana obviously has been at their best, and this

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Speaker 1: know now and I really from the from the very

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Speaker 1: first time I watched him play, I just really enjoyed

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Speaker 1: Lamar Wilkerson. I just think he's he's a lightning and

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Speaker 1: a bottle guy, and he knows flat out of score.

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Speaker 1: He's a smart player, veteran player. Tucker Devrees we know

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Speaker 1: has the ability, especially to shoot and to get himself baskets.

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Speaker 1: But Indiana said their best when they get a reliable

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Speaker 1: third option there, look like Nick Dorn might have been

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Speaker 1: And now Sam alexis up there. Who is Indiana's I guess,

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Speaker 2: Will, Well, that's that's that's the question, because there's I mean,

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Speaker 2: Nick Norn has been the most reliable here probably for

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Speaker 2: I think part of that, and I'm not one hundred

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Speaker 2: the flu, but I think that a couple of these

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Speaker 2: and it started really out in California. They had guys

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Speaker 2: of the matter is I think Dorn was one of those.

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Speaker 2: And likewise, in the game against USC he struggled to

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Speaker 2: make shots. He hit a couple of threes in that ballgame,

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Speaker 2: but not the norm. And we've come to expect him

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Speaker 2: now I would say that that Nick is still the

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Speaker 2: And you know, as far as other options are concerned,

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Speaker 3: Don that illness bug.

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Speaker 1: Don Fisher, the voice of the Hoosiers, is our guest

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Speaker 1: Indiana and Oregon tonight. Don's on the job of house

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Speaker 2: I have not been. I don't know anything about that

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Speaker 2: he supposedly had the flu. Supposedly, I mean he had

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Speaker 2: He's not been a major factor here in the last

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Speaker 2: four or five ball games now, so it'll be interesting

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Speaker 1: Don when you look at teams that and you've seen

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Speaker 1: and just his mannerisms, his coaching style. From your perspective

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Speaker 2: Well, I here's what I will tell you, Jake, as

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Speaker 2: So it's an overall picture for me as far as

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Speaker 1: Don the Indiana nineteen seventy sixteen will be honored tonight

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Speaker 1: fifteenth anniversary, of course, coming up in March of their

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Speaker 1: think most people in Indiana know this, but you know

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Speaker 1: that team was undefeated in the regular season. In seventy five,

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Speaker 1: Scott May broke his arm, they got beat by Kentucky

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Speaker 1: they now finish the job, which to you was more

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Speaker 2: to that. And of course, when Scott May got hurt.

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Speaker 2: obviously they got really good play out of Jim Wistman

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Speaker 2: honestly tell you, Jake, that I went into every single

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Speaker 2: and they did. And that doesn't mean that I had

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Speaker 2: I just go into every game thinking they got a

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Speaker 1: And you know, I was late to that party, but

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Speaker 1: by the end of it, I mean, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 1: And from the football standpoint, you looked at every game

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Speaker 1: know that much, right, you know. And don I'm sure

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six, I'm fairly certain that you sat

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Speaker 1: fifty years from now, this still will not be repeated

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Speaker 1: by a college basketball team, and I bet I'll still

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Speaker 1: be on the mic for Indiana for their undefeated football season.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what you said, right, Jake.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know I'd be around the next year.

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Speaker 3: Baby, That's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 2: Well, then, then why is it not the case for

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Speaker 2: the last twenty five you haven't done it again? That's right.

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Speaker 1: Just so you know, well listen, obviously it'll be a

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Jacob, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Fisher the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers on the JAVA House,

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Speaker 1: a peel and poor guest line. Eddie Gill, of course

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Speaker 1: Weber State or Weber State? Weber It's Chris Weber Weber State, right, yes,

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Speaker 4: I know this, Jake, but he holds the record for

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Speaker 1: Crap, none of the nine year players have the record.

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Speaker 4: See four years Weber State. Boom, you're steals leader all

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Speaker 1: Not only that, Eddie Gail a huge fan of using QR.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that, Eddie? No, he speaks in code.

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Speaker 2: He might have.

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Speaker 5: He might have gone too far with that, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's right.

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Speaker 2: But he was there for four. I was there for two.

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Speaker 1: You know that has to come with an asterisk on it, right,

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense when I'm asking and make perfect sense.

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Speaker 5: And having played the position, I put probably ninety five

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Speaker 5: It won't because he's a different player than Turner. He's

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Speaker 3: You know, and you look at Eddie.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to when you were playing

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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. You have to place the restraints and and

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Speaker 1: That you are KYP there, know your personality? That sounds

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Speaker 1: when you say that, KYP, if you want to be

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Speaker 3: But anyway, as you were, I need.

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Speaker 5: Someone to let me know when this one this, when

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. That's right, it might and it just

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Speaker 1: Right, so I mean this is the new the six seven.

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Speaker 5: But uh, that scene you referenced, are you know my

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Speaker 5: need to know, you know, your team's strong suits and

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Speaker 2: Are they do they? Are they good?

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Speaker 1: Do you like the trade?

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's it's you know, obviously that position

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Speaker 5: Zoobots is a big time rebounder. It's been a place

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Speaker 2: Andrew and them hard TJ. Mcconoughd.

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Speaker 5: Who's ever at the point they're going to have some

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Speaker 1: And then obviously the guy Eddie Crazy to say this,

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Speaker 2: So he his game has definitely taken another step.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully he makes a full recovery and is able to

437
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Speaker 5: come back with that same athleticism and explosion that he

438
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Speaker 5: had because he's one of us, you know, in a

439
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Speaker 5: league full of athletes, he's he's top five in there

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Speaker 5: of all of them.

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Speaker 1: Eddie, do we have any more information today, Eddie Gill,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Gill, our guest job a house peeling for guest

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Speaker 1: line on the injury of Johnny Furphy or his availability.

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Speaker 5: I have no clue what's going on with that, And

445
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Speaker 5: obviously we all hope for the best for him. And

446
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 5: if you were watching that game and saw, you know,

447
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Speaker 5: every one of his teammates are out there on the

448
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Speaker 5: floor checking on him. He's like a little brother to everybody,

449
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Speaker 5: and more than anything else, he's just checking on as

450
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Speaker 5: well being a psyche and his mental capacity especially, you know,

451
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Speaker 5: he's had this opportunity to be in the lineup and

452
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Speaker 5: play some real minutes.

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Speaker 1: I was just going to say that, had we just

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Speaker 1: started to see in the last month or so the

455
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Speaker 1: game kind of slowing down for him and Johnny Furfey

456
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Speaker 1: starting to figure out and learn what his role was

457
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Speaker 1: and start to execute that, I think.

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Speaker 5: He's still got long ways to go, even though he's

459
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Speaker 5: had this opportunity. I mean, this experience has been really

460
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Speaker 5: good for him, but definitely him being able to take

461
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Speaker 5: on some tough defensive challenges, you know, called upon to

462
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Speaker 5: run the four, rebound, the rebound of basketball. When he

463
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Speaker 5: has an opportunity to take perimeter shots, take those with

464
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Speaker 5: confidence without hesitating. You know, hesitancy and an uncertainty is

465
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Speaker 5: the death of all of us when you're trying to

466
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Speaker 5: execute something. So you got to go out there with

467
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Speaker 5: confidence and sometimes that gets to him. But I think

468
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Speaker 5: there's development for him down the road. But this has

469
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Speaker 5: been a great experience for him.

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Speaker 2: Eddie.

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Speaker 4: I know you like to watch both basketball and other

472
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Speaker 4: professional sports on the collegiate front. Have you been able

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Speaker 4: to watch a bunch of either Devin Peterson, AJ Deband said,

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Speaker 4: Kayla Blisson or Cameron Booser And if so, what are

475
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Speaker 4: your thoughts on any of those guys.

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Speaker 5: Uh, I haven't watched a bunch. I wouldn't have watched

477
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Speaker 5: a bunch, but I've definitely watched them.

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Speaker 2: I love college basketball, as you mentioned, so I watched

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Speaker 2: a little bit. But those guys are phenomenal talents. All

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Speaker 2: those guys.

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Speaker 5: The one thing I like about all of them, aside

482
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Speaker 5: from just a skill set, they all have good motors.

483
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 5: Darren Peterson has missed some games, so that you know

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Speaker 5: read into that, which you may, so he hasn't been

485
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Speaker 5: out there as or as available as much as those

486
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Speaker 5: other guys. But yeah, I don't. You can't go wrong

487
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Speaker 5: with either one of those guys. It's just a matter

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Speaker 5: of fit and what a team might need in that moment.

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Speaker 1: Pacers and New York Knicks Tomorrow night, seven thirty. You

490
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Speaker 1: can see Eddie on that broadcast. Pregame can be heard

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Speaker 1: on this radio station beginning at seven pm tomorrow night. Eddie,

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00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: appreciate the time as always, man, and you're only permitted

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Speaker 1: to use the keyr QR when you see me two

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Speaker 1: more times, and then after that you can fade it

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Speaker 1: out if you'd like.

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Speaker 2: I got you. I yelled at Destu the other night

497
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Speaker 2: when I saw you.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I heard it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he wasn't making that up highlight. Yeah I did.

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Speaker 1: I told Eddie and he's like, now you're lying. I

501
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: said no, no, no, he said it. I think twice. Now

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00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: you've said it to me. Yeah, verry much appreciate it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll just keep it between you and I.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate Eddie, Eddie Gill joining us on the program.

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Speaker 3: What a tune.

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Speaker 1: By the way, my mom, I need to apologize formally

508
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Speaker 1: to my mom. Earlier when I was talking about family

509
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Speaker 1: memories and whatever else, and I said, you know, and

510
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Speaker 1: then you get to an age where when your parents

511
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Speaker 1: are aging, my mom's like, I'm not aging. I My

512
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: mom is, in fact Benjamin Button. So I totally misspoke there.

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Speaker 4: To answer your question, coming back with me and I work,

514
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 4: because the International Games in twenty twenty six, there are

515
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Speaker 4: nine of them.

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Speaker 3: Can I guess where all they're playing?

517
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Speaker 2: Sure? Why not?

518
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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Should we bring Chap into this to allow.

520
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Speaker 4: Him to Here's the thing. I think Chap may know

521
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Speaker 4: all the answer because Chap's on it.

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Speaker 3: Frankfurt.

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Speaker 4: No, there are one, two, three, four, fives, six, seven

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Speaker 4: different cities.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Mexico City, that is correct.

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Speaker 2: That's one.

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Speaker 4: Uh, Berlin, Berlin, no, okay, Paris, Paris, yes, that's two.

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Speaker 1: London, Yes, they have three of the games.

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Speaker 4: So that's so three of the seven cities.

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Speaker 1: Sydney No, Melbourne, yes, Okay. Our Australian buddy Michael and

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Speaker 1: Marcus will be thrilled with that.

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Speaker 2: I bet they will be.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm missing how many? Three are they in

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Speaker 1: countries that I've been named already?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 6: One of them is yes? Hit me Munich Okay, Madrid

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Speaker 6: and Rio Madrid. They did this year, did do not?

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Speaker 1: I can't remember if they did it this year or

539
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Speaker 1: last year. You're telling you that's what when people want,

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Speaker 1: people think, and I respect it that the selection of

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Speaker 1: the halftime show performer is a political statement. It's less

542
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Speaker 1: that and more the NFL's ongoing attempt to globalize its brand. Now,

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Speaker 1: who is playing in Melbourne?

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Speaker 4: I don't think they've announced who's playing in Melbourne just yet.

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Speaker 1: Mike Chapel joins us now, Java House Peel and poor

546
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Speaker 1: guest line from CBS four and w x A and

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Speaker 1: Fox fifty nine. Chap do you know when they will announce?

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Speaker 1: Is it possible the Colts could be in one of

549
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Speaker 1: these games?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Munich.

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Speaker 7: Maybe they sort of have a German slant of their

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Speaker 7: overseas we're looking here Melbourne. It's the Rams and the

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Speaker 7: forty nine ers, Okay, Rio Dallas of course or Dallas

554
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Speaker 7: of course. I mean they do everything for crappy franchise.

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Speaker 7: Parents are the Saints speaking of a crappy franchise? And

556
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Speaker 7: then that's since this is we're just talking among friends,

557
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 7: that's right. The Gloves are I think those are the

558
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Speaker 7: only ones that have have teams named him right.

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Speaker 1: Now, Okay, Chap, I'll tell you what I was in

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Speaker 1: Munich in November. I couldn't believe how. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what I was expecting. And I mean, this is no

562
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Speaker 1: disrespect to Germany, but I just I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I was expecting. But Munich was awesome, Like it was

564
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Speaker 1: a super cool city. That would be if the Colts

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Speaker 1: go to Munich. Man people need to go. It was cool.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's weird. The wife I had hoped to

567
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Speaker 7: go to Berlin. We'd set it up with our son

568
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Speaker 7: to go first on my step son and it just

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Speaker 7: was my back hip stuff and all that didn't work out.

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Speaker 7: But he went, had a great time, had a great time.

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Speaker 7: Uh So yeah, hopefully that you know, since I'm closer

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Speaker 7: to the end in the beginning, if they go overseas

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Speaker 7: again in the next year or two, I'd love to go.

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Speaker 7: I think Mcgrid would be cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Madrid would be very cool because I've been to Barcelona,

576
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Speaker 1: but I think Madrid is more pure just you know,

577
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Speaker 1: Spanish culture, if you will.

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Speaker 7: Right, we went to That's one of the fortunate byproducts

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Speaker 7: of covering the cult. So long as I've gone to

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Speaker 7: their overseas games, except for the last couple of in Germany.

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Speaker 7: You know, London was outstanding. We Jim Mercy had a

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Speaker 7: dinner at Kensington Palace, I mean always spokes you talk

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Speaker 7: about Beverly Hillbillies being you know, at a place in

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Speaker 7: London for Crrent HeLa that I went to Mexico City

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Speaker 7: for a preseason game, which was an experience beyond I

586
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Speaker 7: went went to Tokyo for a preseason game Michael Vick

587
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Speaker 7: and Peyton Manning and all that. So really really then

588
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 7: I went to Toronto. You know, big whoop, But it's

589
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 7: it's really a great byproduct of sticking around a long time.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, of course, the Tokyo trip was

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Speaker 1: that's what led to one of the great quotes in

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Speaker 1: the history of the NFL in Indianapolis with Edrin James.

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Speaker 1: The closest I'll get to Tokyo is Benny Hannah. Still

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Speaker 1: a great quote. Yes, But chap let's get to yesterday

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. First off, your overall impressions on the

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Speaker 1: game itself and if there was anything schematically or in

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Speaker 1: terms of its execution that surprised you.

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Speaker 7: I guess that shouldn't have surprised me. But the Patriots

599
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 7: had no ability to slow down the pass rush. And

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Speaker 7: as we've seen over the years forever, if you can't

601
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Speaker 7: protect your quarterback, you're done. You know, the last two times,

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Speaker 7: if I'm not mistaken, when Patrick Mahomes has gotten beaten

603
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Speaker 7: up in the Super Bowl, he's just gotten pummeled. So

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Speaker 7: whether that was on Drake May, whether that was on

605
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 7: Jacks McDaniels for not making any adjustments, or what I

606
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Speaker 7: think the Patriots was it the first time they started

607
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Speaker 7: a team started two rookies on the left side of

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Speaker 7: the line or maybe on the line period, and those

609
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 7: guys just couldn't do it. I expected Seattle to win.

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Speaker 7: I had like twenty seven seventeen. I just thought their

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Speaker 7: defense was that good, and I didn't think the Patriots

612
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 7: were that bad. But they sort of had and I'm

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Speaker 7: not going to take it. They made the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 7: but they had, as has been noted, they played an

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Speaker 7: easier schedule and they sort of, you know, benefited from

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Speaker 7: things that happened along the way with bo Nicks being

617
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Speaker 7: you know, being hurt and all that. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 7: but you're there, and you hate the if you're a team,

619
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Speaker 7: you hate to Tavin.

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Speaker 2: Didn't like that.

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Speaker 7: But I'm really curious how Drake May comes back from

622
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Speaker 7: this because it was just a bad performance. I think

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Speaker 7: I saw That's funny. I think he threw for two

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Speaker 7: hundred and thirty five yards in a fourth quarter, the

625
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Speaker 7: most ever by a quarterback in a quarter.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was that Seattle just

627
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Speaker 1: went to a different formation. But you know, Collinsworth made

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Speaker 1: the point that you could see where for May he

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Speaker 1: finally started to recognize some looks and was then able.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anybody questions his arm strength

631
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Speaker 1: or you know, and of course he was hurt going

632
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Speaker 1: into it, but yeah, it did feel like that fourth

633
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Speaker 1: quarter was completely different than the previous three.

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Speaker 7: Well, let's keep in mind, I'm watching that game and

635
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Speaker 7: how ineffective the Patriots were in a way, we're comparing

636
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 7: gamples and oranges and all that stuff. But I remember

637
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 7: not too long ago when Philip Rivers came off his

638
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 7: couch and damn near beat those guys in Seattle. Remember

639
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 7: eighteen sixteen, and it was sixteen fifteen with forty seven

640
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 7: seconds to play. Now, it was the perfect game plan

641
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 7: by Shane Steiken and Louis Arrumo and all that, but

642
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 7: still it sure it could be done. So yeah, but

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Speaker 7: I'm curious how he comes back. There have been quarterbacks

644
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 7: that have a hard time. Dan Marino for crying out

645
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 7: loud was there once once, so we'll see. I never

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00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 7: totally bought into the Patriots being that team. Thought they

647
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 7: were a good team. But I still always thought Denver

648
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 7: or Buffalo would be the team that got there. But

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Speaker 7: good good for the Patriots, and now they can, you know,

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Speaker 7: try to rebuild or read leak or whatever the hell

651
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 7: you do when you lose the Super Bowl, because a

652
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 7: lot of teams that lose the Super Bowl do not

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Speaker 7: get back there the next year.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Seattle and I was curious of this

655
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: chap your thoughts if you look at Seattle, and you know,

656
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier in the program, at the very least,

657
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: at least the Colts could hang a banner saying Seattle

658
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl with a quarterback that was selected

659
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: with the pick we once owned. I mean, you know,

660
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: you get that right, because the Jets took them with

661
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: a pick that the Colts traded to New York so

662
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: they could move up to get Donald. But you got

663
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: to be happy for Donald, but Donald, there was nothing

664
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: about Sam Darnald that overly blew you away over the

665
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: course of this season. But the blueprint of what Seattle did,

666
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: does that give Indianapolis some hope because you look at

667
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: it and you go, okay. The Colts have what could

668
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: be a dynamic tied or wide receiver. They have a

669
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver that's a veteran that can catch you tough

670
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: balls over the middle or in space if they're going

671
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: to be able to bring Pittman back. They have a

672
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: running back that they can use like Walker and to

673
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: accentuate and really burst and tailor maybe the Colts rely

674
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: on it almost too much. And then a quarterback and

675
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones that can be like Darnold, maybe even a

676
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: better version of Darnold. The question then becomes, do the

677
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: Colts can they get the kind of pass rush heat

678
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: that Seattle was able to do. And that's not to

679
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: say they have not tried to do that, but is

680
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: there some form of a blueprint where the Colts can

681
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Speaker 1: be Seattle light?

682
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Speaker 7: Well, but that's that's who they are. That's who the

683
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 7: Colts are. Everything the Seattle did now the defense is

684
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 7: light years from where the Cults were because of the

685
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 7: pass rushing and talent in a few spots. But this

686
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 7: is exactly how the Colts want to play, and when

687
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 7: they were, you know, eight and two. I'm doing a

688
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 7: look ahead for our website and I'm starting with quarterbacks

689
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 7: for tomorrow and everything they did when they were eight

690
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 7: and two, that's what Seattle did all season. Do you

691
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 7: got a quarterback who's making plays, he's not making mistakes

692
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 7: the offense people, people free it very quickly that when

693
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 7: they were eight and two, they had the best offense

694
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 7: on a planet, first and scoring first in yards first

695
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 7: and yards per play, first in rushing yards uh per attempt,

696
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 7: and the defense is okay, although they were still missing people.

697
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 7: And remember remember when Jonathan Taylor and Daniel Jones were

698
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 7: like in the MVP discussion, Jonathan Taylor's averaging like one

699
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 7: hundred and thirteen yards a game.

700
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: It was crazy.

701
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Speaker 7: So that that's no they it's not necessarily the blueprint

702
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 7: that the that Seattle has. That that's that's the blueprint

703
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 7: that Colts have built on. They were built on this year.

704
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 7: Uh Now, like I said, the difference being the Colts

705
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 7: pass rush simply wasn't good enough. It hasn't been good

706
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 7: enough for too many years. And and a pass rush.

707
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 7: You know who would you would you rather have a

708
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 7: strong pass rush or better corners? I'd take a pass rush.

709
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 7: It covers up a lot of things. I remember talking

710
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 7: to to someone maybe it was someone at the Colts

711
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 7: and remember when the Forest Buckner was out and then

712
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 7: one of the corners were out? You know which one

713
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 7: would you rather have a lot like Mooney Ward or

714
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 7: the forest Buckner? I think the forest Buckner every day

715
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 7: every day. So no, but your points well taking it?

716
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 7: It's that. That is what the Colts, you know, aspire

717
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 7: to be to that and for a long time, for

718
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 7: ten games, that's who they were. And then when Jones

719
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 7: gets hurt, it all, you know, came tumbling down and

720
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 7: they couldn't they couldn't have this spiral which very few

721
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 7: teams recovered from losing not only your starting quarterback but

722
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 7: your back up. But with Anthony Rigidson, they were down

723
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 7: to three and four four when they brought in Grandpa Phil.

724
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 7: So yeah, that's what you want to do.

725
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: Uh.

726
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 7: And the more you watch Daniel Jones play, I always

727
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 7: kind of going to compare him to Alex Smith, which

728
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 7: is not which is not criticism at all. Alex Smith

729
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 7: was pretty gone good when he got out of Frisco.

730
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 7: So that's that's what you need. Would you like to

731
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 7: would you like to have you know, Burrow and Allen

732
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 7: and all those guys? Of course, Mahomes, of course you would.

733
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 7: There just aren't very many of those guys. But but

734
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 7: you can you can win with with Again, I don't

735
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 7: know where Sam Donald ranks now, you know in the league?

736
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: Is he top ten? He's nine ten? Maybe? I don't know.

737
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: Doesn't it feel like he's kind of in that I

738
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: like twelve to fifteen, you know, to like ten to

739
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: fifteen maybe right, but that when the.

740
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 7: Other pieces are in place for crying Now that that's enough.

741
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: But okay, Chap, let's do this.

742
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks went healthy that in the league that are definitively

743
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: better than Sam Darnald.

744
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to name a quarterback. You just give me

745
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: a yes or no.

746
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: You're ready, okay, Mahomes, Yes, Lamar Jackson, Yes, Josh Allen, Yes,

747
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, Yes, Justin Herbert.

748
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: I want to say yes, but I'll say no.

749
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: Okay.

750
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, Yes, Eddie helped me out. Bo Nicks, No,

751
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow, Yeah, that's six. Yeah, Caleb Williams

752
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: not yet, Jared Goff, Yes, that's close. That's a close one.

753
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, No, okay, Trevor Lawrence.

754
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, good.

755
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 7: One, Crevor Lawrence. That's another bid. That's that's I would

756
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 7: say no because he always makes some mistakes when you

757
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 7: can't afford him. So all we've got Darnald top Pete.

758
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you got him.

759
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: You got him basically sitting in the neighborhood with Baker

760
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: Mayfield and Trevor Lawrences his neighbors, right right.

761
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 7: It's funny how again, how the season changes things, because

762
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 7: again when mid season, Baker Mayfield was the talk of

763
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 7: the town too, and then they went to hell. So again,

764
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 7: if you don't have if you don't have Jamar Chase,

765
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 7: if you don't have Justin Jefferson, if you don't have

766
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 7: some of these top guys, but you've got a good

767
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 7: group like the Colts have got, you're gonna make it

768
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 7: work and not just make it work, but excel. So

769
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 7: it's it's just you're just not fortunate to get the

770
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 7: top three or four or five guys and.

771
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: Then they give you four more quarterbacks here, Chap, you're ready,

772
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, Yeah, you're saying Love's better?

773
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: Yes?

774
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Rock Perdy, I've never liked Rock Perdy. Okay, Jayden Daniels.

775
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: Too small example size.

776
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: Okay, Daniel Jones.

777
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 7: No, no, only because although if Jones finishes the season,

778
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 7: they're probably very similar.

779
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: Right.

780
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 7: But that but that that makes our point is you

781
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,479
Speaker 7: could you can be pretty good with that guy.

782
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: Again.

783
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 7: If I remember one thing Chris Baller told us in January, says,

784
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 7: what are always chasing quarterbacks? You know, it sort of

785
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 7: hampers everything you do. But until you get that quarterback right,

786
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 7: your margin of air is so small, you know. And

787
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 7: I go back to the extreme with Peyton Manning and

788
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 7: the great the great uh eraser where you know, no,

789
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 7: no lead is safe and all that stuff. And we

790
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 7: saw that with Luck. It was so cool to see

791
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 7: him in Frisco during the Super Bowl week. I Mean

792
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 7: I just kept thinking, man, this team would have won

793
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 7: too minimum to Super Bowl with Andrew Luck. They would

794
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 7: have uh, but that guy a lot allows you to

795
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 7: do so much. I don't think Dardal lets you do that,

796
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 7: because I thought they determined very early in that game

797
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 7: that it was going to be low scoring and as

798
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 7: long as Seatle didn't turn the ball over, they weren't

799
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 7: going to lose. So they sort of had him playing

800
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 7: that way. But you know, maybe if the game had

801
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 7: been thirty eight thirty and he did. He had some

802
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 7: great shootouts with the Rams, who he's capable. But it's

803
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 7: so important for the quarterback to understand what the game is.

804
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 7: Philip rivers against the Seahawks near the end of the season,

805
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 7: you know, don't do any stupid, take care of the ball,

806
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 7: and before you know it at sixteen fifteen and you're

807
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 7: in position to win. So but no, it's again darnold,

808
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 7: it was great to see. I think that I see

809
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 7: as the first quarterback to win a Super Bowl with

810
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 7: his fifteam at being on his fifteen That's why everybody

811
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 7: has expectations of Daniel Jones. I'm not saying super Bowl,

812
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 7: but I'm saying being good enough to get you on

813
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 7: the doorstep of doing something whatever. That's something is uh

814
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 7: because again I go back to with what what I

815
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 7: was most optimistic about the Jones until the injury was

816
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 7: that he didn't do anything super off the charts. You know,

817
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 7: I can't believe he made he did. He was just

818
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 7: playing his game and let he let the team around

819
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 7: him do its job with That's when we saw that.

820
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 7: That's when Tyler Warren was so effective. And then once

821
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 7: Jones went out, Tyler Warren became just a guy. Uh

822
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 7: and talking about me and just a guy. Once Jones

823
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 7: went out, Jonathan Taylor turned into you know, just a guy.

824
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 7: I mean he averaged I mean he averaged like half

825
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 7: as much yards, like three point three of carry. And

826
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 7: that's all related to the quarterback and what it didn't

827
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 7: what that didn't allow you to do. So no, but

828
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 7: back back to where what you mentioned that Seattle is

829
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 7: what the Colts the blueprint they had going into the

830
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 7: season until Jones got her. So I think that's w

831
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 7: I say there's a reason for optimism if if Jones

832
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 7: comes back from that a Kelly which by all jmc will,

833
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 7: I guess.

834
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: Chap let me throw some that you. Mike Chapel's my

835
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: guest Jaba House Peel and Port guest line. He is

836
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: with CBS four and wx A and Fox fifty nine.

837
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw you something that I mentioned to

838
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: Kevin and Bowen at the end of the week. And

839
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: once you get done laughing at my absurdity. I want

840
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: you to then chime in, Okay.

841
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm used to laughing. Last get your observanity. Yeah aware.

842
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

843
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: So a year ago, Minnesota had on its roster JJ McCarthy,

844
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: young quarterback that they believe has a lot of promise,

845
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: Sam Donald and Daniel Jones. Sam Donald goes to Seattle

846
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: wins the Super Bowl. Daniel Jones goes to Indianapolis and

847
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: gets off to a great start pre injury.

848
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy struggles Minnesota.

849
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying that he's the end all, be

850
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: all decision maker, but they have influence within their front

851
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: office from Ryan Grigson, who I don't know this, but

852
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: I would speculate probably would get a wrinkle to his

853
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: smile if he were to do something that makes life

854
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: more difficult for Chris Ballard. Is there any chance we

855
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: consider it a foregone conclusion that Daniel Jones will be

856
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback for the Colts next year? And I

857
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: know he's coming off injury, which creates question, but he's

858
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: familiar also with Minnesota's doctors, in Minnesota's building, in Minnesota's scheme.

859
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: Is there any chance that Minnesota's the one franchise that says,

860
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: you know what everybody thinks, it's a foregone conclusion. We

861
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: think our young kid might be able to gain by

862
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: learning for another year, Let's go out and get Daniel Jones,

863
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: because we saw what you're able to do with Sam

864
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: Darnold in Seattle. Daniel Jones can be that guy for

865
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: us here in Minnesota.

866
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 2: I'm not laughing.

867
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 7: It's just not going to happen because the Colts will

868
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 7: never let Jones get to the market.

869
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: Do you believe that they would franchise tag him at

870
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: forty two million?

871
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think it'll get to that, but yes, okay,

872
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 7: And it's the same thing with Alec Pearce. They're not

873
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 7: going to let him sniff the open market. Maybe I'm

874
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 7: just say more so with Pierce, but no, they'll get

875
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 7: both of those done because there's really no plan b

876
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 7: Tonnock get done.

877
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: Which makes me wonder if that doesn't more incentivize getting him.

878
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: And I know that sounds crazy.

879
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 7: Well, but again it's it's I understand that teams tamper,

880
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 7: they do and and and they'll there could be some

881
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 7: kind of contact somewhere with the Vikings with Jones, and

882
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 7: you know, agents and all this stuff. But the Colts

883
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 7: are going to get something done with Jones. The only

884
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 7: question is what it's going to be. You know what

885
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 7: one website called it looks at a forty three million

886
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 7: dollars a year contract, and one guy has to like

887
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 7: at the same Darnald number three years, one hundred million dollars.

888
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 7: All that's gonna matter is I mentioned that the story

889
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 7: is a guaranteed money, And to me, the guaranteed money

890
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 7: starts with what the franchise tag is. That was it

891
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 7: forty is it forty seven million? I've got it written

892
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 7: down somewhere. So whatever, whatever the franchise number is, in

893
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 7: my mind, I from a player, that's my guarantee. That's

894
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 7: that's where we start talking guaranteed money. The rest of

895
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 7: the money is just it's just window a dressing. It

896
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 7: doesn't mean because they can walk away from it. But

897
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 7: I just I don't see any way that that Jones

898
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 7: has a chance to talk with another team, And I

899
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 7: see no chance that Pierce has a chance. I talked

900
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 7: to another team. Can you imagine Al Pierce on the

901
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 7: open market and Buffalo says, yeah, we'll give you thirty

902
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 7: mil more or more. Kansas city. So that's and when

903
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 7: the general manager comes out in January and says, yeah,

904
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 7: these are their priorities, Well that's that's gim speak by

905
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 7: you know, for we're going.

906
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: To get it done.

907
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 7: And Uh again, I think the fact that Jones uh

908
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 7: fit well here and the Colts gave him a chance

909
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 7: and it worked.

910
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 2: Uh.

911
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 7: I'll tell you how about instead of Jones going to Minnesota,

912
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson goes to Minnesota. That I mean, yeah, that's

913
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 7: I just I don't see any way that aar is

914
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 7: back here, uh next year, which would almost.

915
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: Do you think the Colts are comfortable going with Riley

916
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: Leonard to start the year if if Jones is not available, Yes, but.

917
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 7: They could you know, they can always sign another veteran

918
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 7: if they want, and there'll be that guy out there.

919
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: The Mariota's Josh McCown becomes available, and you know.

920
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, not not a mac Jones.

921
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 7: If they make a trade for a Mac Jones, that

922
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 7: would tell me that that Daniel Jones's achilles isn't is

923
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 7: and you know, progressing the way they want it to.

924
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 7: But there'll be a third quarterback here. I don't think

925
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 7: there'll be Richardson. I just don't think you talk about

926
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 7: Jones being a fit, ar is not a fit in

927
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 7: what Psyching wants to do Again, Nicholson have got twelve

928
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 7: or thirteen free agents.

929
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 2: Many of them won't.

930
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 7: Be back here, but I will be beyond shocked, beyond

931
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 7: shocked if Jones and Pierce gets a chance of sniff

932
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 7: free agency.

933
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: Do you believe Richardson, Let's say he goes to Minnesota,

934
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: does he become a player? Chap Sometimes you mentioned Alex Smith.

935
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: I think Alex Smith was a really darn good NFL

936
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: quarterback and unfortunately people get judged based on how and

937
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: where they were acquired him because he was a number

938
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: one overall pick.

939
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: People go, ah, he's a disappointment.

940
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: Well not really. He was really a good quarterback for

941
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: Kansas City and Washington. Can Richardson be that guy?

942
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 7: In a yes or no world, I'd say no. I

943
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 7: just haven't seen the level of commitment that you need

944
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 7: at that position. Maybe that's unfair, I don't know, but

945
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 7: but there is. And again, I'm so I'm so numb

946
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 7: to the position from the way Peyton approached it, from

947
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,959
Speaker 7: the way Andrew Luck approached it, and all the really

948
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 7: really good quarterbacks. It's it's twenty four to seven, and

949
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 7: that's what we heard about Jones too. Uh And I

950
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 7: just people can change. I'm not sure a high level

951
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 7: athlete like that changes that much their approach. You know,

952
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 7: I remember when who Reggie Miller left the Pacers and

953
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 7: and then wasn't Germaine O'Neil is supposed to be the

954
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 7: leader correct of the team, And man, you just can't

955
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 7: make people leaders. You just you can't. You can't put

956
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 7: them in a position to lead to a good leader.

957
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 7: You're our main player. I hope it.

958
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: I hope it works out for him because.

959
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 7: You're a good kid. It's a good young man. I

960
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 7: just don't think the like goes on. I just don't.

961
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: I hope it does. I don't think it does.

962
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: Mike Chapel, CBS four and wxin Fox fifty nine. Chap

963
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: last thing before we let you go, I did want

964
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: to touch on this, and I apologize. I can't recall

965
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: if we had you right after. I don't think we

966
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: had you Friday. And I know you might have talked

967
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: with John about this, but Reggie Wayne not getting into

968
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame is one thing. Now it becomes

969
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: more difficult because of those that will also be in

970
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: the pool for next year. But most importantly, you said

971
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: he was not in the final five? Is that correct?

972
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: Or ten?

973
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: He did make the cut from fifteen to ten.

974
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: When they is there, and my apologies for forgetting this.

975
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: Is there a minimum or maximum number that you can

976
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: put in once they get down to the final ten?

977
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 7: Well, we go from fifteen to ten and from ten

978
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 7: to seven, and then we vote on five and the

979
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 7: ed eighty percent to get in.

980
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: So you still so it's not who Okay, this is

981
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: where I got confused.

982
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 7: Well, okay, it gets convoluted in the weeds. The top

983
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 7: three vote getters of modern era get in, So three

984
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 7: of those five or three of those seven.

985
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: Will get in regardless even if the highest one has

986
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: forty eight percent.

987
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 7: It could be seventy five percent. Yeah, and then for

988
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 7: a fourth got to get in like we did this year,

989
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 7: he needs eighty percent, So.

990
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 3: Gotcha, okay.

991
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 7: And it's it's just it's I feel us Reggie's frustration.

992
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 7: We talk all the time, and he and Tory Holt

993
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 7: are in the same boat, just Hall of Fame worthy

994
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 7: numbers that for some reason, nationally people just don't appreciate

995
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 7: what Reggie what Reggie.

996
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: Was you worried whether or not I mean you, I

997
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: mean we in general, we worried that there was going

998
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: to be a player that was eventually going to be

999
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: excuse me, going to be demerited because of the perception

1000
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: that Peyton Manning lifted them. And that's absurd to think

1001
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: that of Reggie Wayne, because of how he reinvented himself

1002
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: and extended by playing almost a different kind of receiver

1003
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: for Andrew Luck and being very very very good and

1004
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: having you know, an unbelievable season that first year with

1005
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: Luck and et cetera. But for whatever reason, it feels

1006
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: like Reggie Wayne is the one that the football gods

1007
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: selected to be held back by that aspect, which is unfair.

1008
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 2: No question, it's unfair.

1009
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 7: Uh. You know, Michael Lerban had Troy Aikman, and Andre

1010
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 7: Reid had Jim Kelly, and you know, Jerry Rice had

1011
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 7: had a couple of pretty good quarterbacks as well.

1012
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 3: Is John Taylor in no okay?

1013
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 7: No, So so you can you know, Swan and Stalwarts

1014
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 7: are and that's a different story altogether, because together I

1015
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 7: don't think they've got Reggie's numbers. But but yeah, and

1016
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 7: then too, it's it's it's well, they've got so many

1017
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 7: guys from that the two thousands from that team in

1018
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 7: the Hall of Fame with Dungee Andmpollion and Peyton and

1019
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 7: Edred and Marvin and Freedy and men the only guys

1020
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 7: won one super Bowl. Well that's not Reggie's fault, right,

1021
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm afraid there's some of that. But again,

1022
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 7: I just I understand and I've seen Reggie's frustration to

1023
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 7: where he's just about telling the Hall of Fame to

1024
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 7: go flya kite, and I urge him not to do that,

1025
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 7: because at least when you're still along the final fifteen,

1026
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 7: you're still in the conversation. And once once you're not

1027
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 7: in a conversation, people move on very quickly. So I

1028
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 7: hope it took It took John Lynch, you know, the

1029
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 7: safety he was. It took him his ninth year as

1030
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 7: a finalist to get in. Edron got in after six years.

1031
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 7: I think it was so you know, people have waited longer.

1032
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: But it's just.

1033
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 7: Frustrating when I see people get in that I don't

1034
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 7: agree with. And that's why we have fifty guys, and

1035
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 7: people can bitch and moan about the the process. All

1036
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 7: they want until they come up with a better, a

1037
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 7: better way of doing it. And Deon Sanders said, only

1038
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 7: Hall of Fame players should vote for this.

1039
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: He's so stupid. That is just crazy.

1040
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 7: He's the one that was bitching that too many people

1041
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 7: are getting in and they should have different colors of gold.

1042
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 7: His should be the brightest gold. Give me a break. No,

1043
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 7: I know, I know he wears me out, but I

1044
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 7: worry about reg I just know that he's a Hall

1045
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 7: of Fame receiver.

1046
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: I know he is. I go back to when we

1047
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: put in Andre Johnson ahead of him. That's wrong.

1048
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 7: It's still wrong, and that really hurt Reggie and Tory Holt.

1049
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 7: I always bring up Tory Holt because he's in that

1050
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 7: group as well.

1051
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: Great player, great player, And I know I know Tory

1052
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: Holt's the same way Chap in the fact that the

1053
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: d Kurt Warner and then if you really look at

1054
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: you can say that. But look, he was as good

1055
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: a receiver, if not better, with Mark Bulger thrown in

1056
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: the ball, so you.

1057
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 7: Know that that's you know. And Richie had one of

1058
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 7: his best seasons when he was thirty four, right with

1059
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 7: Andrew Lucky like was it one hundred and some catches

1060
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 7: and thirteen hundred and forty five yards and he's the

1061
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 7: only player in league history that to have those numbers,

1062
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 7: like one hundred catches in thirteen hundred and fifty yards

1063
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 7: at age thirty four. So he didn't tail off until

1064
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 7: at the Inland injuries, you know, started petting away at him.

1065
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 7: But he needs to get in and the way that

1066
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 7: we're doing things now makes it hard unless sure Drew

1067
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 7: Brees and Larry Fitzgerald and coming up, we're going to

1068
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 7: have other top guys.

1069
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are others around the corner and that's that's

1070
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: what's going to make it interesting. But we shall see.

1071
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, maybe he goes to Roger Craig route,

1072
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: but we'll see. Chap appreciate the time as always, and

1073
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: we will continue to look at quarterbacks and try to

1074
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: figure out where Sam Darnold is. But I think eight

1075
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: to twelve is ten to fifteen something like that and

1076
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: that sliding range. Chap I appreciate the time as always.

1077
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: Stay well by, all right, Mike Chapel joining US CBS

1078
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: four and w XI N Fox at fifty nine