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Speaker 1: Being necessary to the security of a free state. The

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Speaker 1: right of the people to keep in bear arms shall

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Speaker 1: not be infringed. This is the Second Amendment, and this

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Speaker 1: is the Gun.

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Speaker 2: Guy a boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom, boom, boom, boom,

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Speaker 3: Bom, Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 4: Well, good afternoon, and welcome to the Gun Guy show

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Speaker 4: here on ninety three WYBC. We're glad you're with us.

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Speaker 4: Always a lot to talk about. A bill just introduced

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Speaker 4: in the United States House of Representatives caught my eye

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Speaker 4: because it's an issue I've been involved in and and

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Speaker 4: some may think this is not a particularly huge deal,

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Speaker 4: but to the extent that it is a restriction on

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Speaker 4: your Second Amendment rights, it's always going to be something

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Speaker 4: that garners my attention and my criticism. But a House

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Speaker 4: resolution seventy nine to sixty five. You look this up.

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Speaker 4: This was introduced by, of course, a California Representative, one

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Speaker 4: Raoul Ruiz and of course a District of Columbia Representative

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Speaker 4: one Eleanor Holmes Norton, both known to be rabid anti

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Speaker 4: gun legislators from their respective jurisdictions. But this would prevent

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Speaker 4: the quote unquote unauthorized possession of a firearm at any

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Speaker 4: election site where there's a federal election going on, which

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Speaker 4: is pretty much, not always, but usually the same election

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Speaker 4: sites where local elections are going on as well. In

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Speaker 4: other words, you go in, you vote for president, or

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Speaker 4: you vote for your senator or US representative. At the

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Speaker 4: same time, you're voting for your state senator and your

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Speaker 4: state representatives and other local offices. So they typical tend

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Speaker 4: to be the same place at the same time. Not always.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes there are local elections that don't involve federal candidates,

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Speaker 4: but that's not usually the case. So they want to

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Speaker 4: ban guns at polling sites, at election sites. And let's

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Speaker 4: just back up a little bit because there has historically

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Speaker 4: been some confusion on this point. What's the law today?

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Speaker 4: Is there an Indiana law that says you can't carry

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not. Now, are there some polling stations, some election

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Speaker 4: a gun. Absolutely? Schools, Yes, a church that has a

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Speaker 4: school on the same grounds. Yes. Now, you've heard me

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Speaker 4: talk often about a bill we passed in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 4: says you can't carry a gun where you vote. And

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Speaker 4: I said, and by the way, that's true at the

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Speaker 4: federal level, as true here in Indiana. Now, I'm sure

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Speaker 4: if you go across all fifty states, especially in some

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Speaker 4: state by state by state, especially in blue states, to

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Speaker 4: so be it. That's the penalty you pay for living

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Speaker 4: That's just the way that works. But what this would

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Speaker 4: Bet This gentleman called me from a polling station, which

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Speaker 4: But he was a United States Marine at the time.

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Speaker 4: Except he defeated that preconception when as my client, my

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Speaker 4: don't believe that's true. There's no such law. He says, well,

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Speaker 4: And a client said, I don't believe you can legally

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Speaker 4: So this gentleman called me, just knowing what I do

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Speaker 4: I actually called sheriff of Saint Joseph County and he

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Speaker 4: the Indiana Firearms Preemption Act, which says local governments cannot

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Speaker 4: local governments can't regulate where you can carry a firearms

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Speaker 4: you can't restrict where somebody carries a gun. It's illegal,

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Speaker 4: I restricted side in terms of the ability to carry

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Speaker 4: And you know, by the way, people a lot of

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Speaker 4: the big deal? And I'll take exactly what the big deals? Well,

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Speaker 4: first of all, I typically concealed carries, nobody knows I'm carrying.

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Speaker 4: But that's not the point. The point is you should

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Speaker 4: require you to choose between your constitutional rights, to choose

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Speaker 4: You don't have to pick and choose. All those rights

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Speaker 4: That's the point. And I'll stand on principle on that

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Speaker 4: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 4: Hey, welcome back for our number two of the Gun

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Speaker 4: about the Indiana legislature. In the Indiana legislature for years,

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Speaker 4: and if you listen to the Gun Guy Show for

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Speaker 4: any length of time at all, you know I'm very

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Speaker 4: active in the legislature. I've written a lot of bills

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Speaker 4: that have become Indiana law. I've testified uncountable times, innumerable

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Speaker 4: times in support and against bills that affect our Second

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Speaker 4: Amendment rights here in Indiana. And I've been very involved,

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Speaker 4: and I know a lot of the people, the legislators individually,

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Speaker 4: and I've seen who's on our side, who's truly on

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Speaker 4: our side, who votes with us, who votes against us,

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Speaker 4: who argues for us, and who argues against us, whether

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Speaker 4: in committee hearings or otherwise. And it's not a mystery

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Speaker 4: in terms of what defines our success or our failures

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Speaker 4: in the Indiana General Assembly. As far as two A advocates,

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Speaker 4: there's no mystery. I mean, we have a super majority

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Speaker 4: of Republicans in both the House and the Senate, so

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Speaker 4: we can get done what Republicans want to get done

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Speaker 4: in the Indiana General Assembly. So why is it, for instance,

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Speaker 4: that it took us ten years to get constitutional carry passed.

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Speaker 4: We have super majority of Republicans. If Republicans, as part

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Speaker 4: of their platform, support our Second Amendment rights and constitutional

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Speaker 4: carry simply says that if I have a right guaranteed

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Speaker 4: to me by both the Indiana Constitution, Article one, Section

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Speaker 4: thirty two and the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution,

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Speaker 4: if that right to bear arms and bear means carry,

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Speaker 4: then why on earth would I have to go back

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Speaker 4: to the government and seek permission in the form of

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Speaker 4: a life license to exercise the right I already have.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't make any sense, And that exact argument, the

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Speaker 4: logic behind that exact argument is why we have constitutional

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Speaker 4: carry now in twenty nine states and almost made it thirty.

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Speaker 4: They couldn't quite override a governor veto there this year,

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Speaker 4: or we would have had thirty. Why did it take

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Speaker 4: us ten years to get that done in Indiana? Ten

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Speaker 4: years we were number twenty two of the states to

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Speaker 4: adopt constitutional carriage. So there were twenty one other states

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Speaker 4: that beat us to the punch that value constitutional freedoms

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Speaker 4: out of the Second Amendment here in Indiana more than

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Speaker 4: across the country, I should say, more than our legislature

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Speaker 4: does here in Indiana. Well, why is that? Well, it's

469
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Speaker 4: because we have Republicans and too many of them who

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Speaker 4: will fundraise on the second Amendment. They'll campaign on the

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Speaker 4: second Amendment, they'll make promises on the second Amendment, and

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Speaker 4: then they'll stablish squarely in the back when it comes

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Speaker 4: to what they do and what they say and how

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Speaker 4: they vote in the Indiana General Assembly. And the number

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Speaker 4: one Republican, and I have to put Republicans a Republican

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Speaker 4: in quotes on that point is Liz Brown, Senator from

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Speaker 4: District fifteen, which is parts of maybe you could even

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Speaker 4: say mostly Fort Wayne. And what do we get from Well,

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Speaker 4: first of all, she held a position of extreme power,

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Speaker 4: thank goodness, and thanks to President pro Tem Rod Bray,

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Speaker 4: she no longer has this position, but for several years,

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Speaker 4: for many years, she was chairman of the Judiciary Committee

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Speaker 4: in the Senate. Well, most of our gun related bills

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Speaker 4: have to go through the Judiciary commit the Constitutional Care

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Speaker 4: had to go through the Judiciary Committee. So the chairman

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Speaker 4: of that committee gets to hear what bills are heard

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Speaker 4: and what bills are not. And they have a lot

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Speaker 4: of control over whether they'll where they're entertain amendments and

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Speaker 4: when they do so, what amendments they offer themselves, how

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Speaker 4: they conduct their hearings, but most of all, whether they

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Speaker 4: give bills, hearings at all. It's a huge amount of

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Speaker 4: power we give these people, the chairs of the various committees.

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Speaker 4: And Liz Brown, as chairman of the Judiciary Committee in

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Speaker 4: the Indiana Senate, was our number one nemesis on Second

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Speaker 4: Amendment issues for years and years and years. And isn't

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Speaker 4: it a shame that she's a Republican And she was

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Speaker 4: our chief antagonist when it came to Second Amendment rights.

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Speaker 4: And let me tell you, let me tell how, let

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Speaker 4: me tell you a ridiculous hit God, she either wouldn't

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Speaker 4: give us a vote or otherwise shot down constitutional carry

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Speaker 4: year after year after year. Then around it was either

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Speaker 4: twenty one or twenty two. I can look this up.

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Speaker 4: She had gotten so much heat over her opposition to

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Speaker 4: constitutional carry she actually offered her own constitutional carry bill,

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Speaker 4: and a lot of us looked at each other, those

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Speaker 4: of us involved in the legislature, we looked at each

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00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: other and said, wait a minute. As Liz Brown turned

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Speaker 4: around on it, she's going to support us on constitutional carry.

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Speaker 4: She's been our biggest opposition. She'd been the biggest hurdle

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Speaker 4: we had to get over for years and years and years.

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Speaker 4: Now suddenly she's a proponent. She has her own bill.

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Speaker 4: She scheduled her own bill for a hearing. We said, okay,

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Speaker 4: we got movement. We finally got hearing on a constitutional

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Speaker 4: carry bill. It wasn't the bill we necessarily wanted, but

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Speaker 4: it was one we could work from, but potentially a

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Speaker 4: men potentially amend make a better bill. So we got

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Speaker 4: all in. A lot of us showed up, had our

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Speaker 4: shoes shine, had our suits on, and we testified in

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Speaker 4: favor of Liz Brown's own bill. And you know, as

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Speaker 4: chairman of the committee, and I will never forget this.

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Speaker 4: I remember just sitting there in that committee room in

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Speaker 4: the basement, well it's a floor number one, but it's

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Speaker 4: the basement of the Indiana General Assembly of the State House.

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Speaker 4: And I remember sitting there with my mouth a gape,

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Speaker 4: watching her conduct this hearing. Because everybody who got up

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Speaker 4: to testify in favor of her bill that she offered,

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Speaker 4: she argued with, she cross examined people off the street

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Speaker 4: who just came in, and we were talking about John Q. Public. Look,

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Speaker 4: I'm an activist, I'm a lawyer. I have a talk

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Speaker 4: show where I advocate for Second Amendment rights. I'm a

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Speaker 4: big boy. I will debate you all day long. You

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Speaker 4: want to come at me, you want to make have

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Speaker 4: it to make it a legal discussion. Hey, I'm here

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Speaker 4: for it. That's why I'm there. But we had people

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Speaker 4: just off the street, taking time out of their dat

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Speaker 4: come in and say they support a constitutional carry and

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Speaker 4: she's interrogating them on legal precedent that dinner didn't support

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Speaker 4: their position. It was unbelievable. And as I watched this,

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Speaker 4: it made it suddenly made it very clear. She offered

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Speaker 4: her own bill for the sole purpose of shooting it down.

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Speaker 4: She wanted to say, well, I had my own bill

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Speaker 4: on constitutional carry, how much could I possibly oppose the

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Speaker 4: second Amendment? It was a farce. It was a fraud.

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Speaker 4: It was an orchestration by one Liz Brown there in

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Speaker 4: her own committee. I've never seen anything like it. She

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Speaker 4: openly ridiculed people who got up to support a bill

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Speaker 4: that she offered. Why because she offered it not for

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Speaker 4: legitimate purposes. She offered it as a shield against accountability

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Speaker 4: for having opposed constitutional carry all those years. Then in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, the year we finally got constitutional carry passed,

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Speaker 4: how did that go? She did not want to hear

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Speaker 4: the bill. Senate leadership told her to hear the bill,

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Speaker 4: and I give Rod Bray a lot of credit for this.

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Speaker 4: Senate leadership said no, you're going to have a hearing.

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Speaker 4: So we had a hearing, and this hearing went on.

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Speaker 4: My recollection is ten twelve hours. It went late, late,

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Speaker 4: late at night, and it was contentious, and we had

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Speaker 4: law enforcement that were for it, we had law enforcement

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Speaker 4: that was against it. We had citizens for it, citizens

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Speaker 4: against it, and people lined up and people testified, and

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Speaker 4: I was one of the ones who testified. And it

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Speaker 4: went on for a really long time, and it looked

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Speaker 4: like we were going to get it done. We had

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Speaker 4: the votes to get it done. And then who offered

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Speaker 4: an amendment that basically stripped true constitutional carry out of

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Speaker 4: the bill to once again foil our efforts now in

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Speaker 4: our tenth year of trying to get constitutional carry passed.

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Speaker 4: Liz Brown did that. Liz Brown did that. Liz Brown

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Speaker 4: gutted it and defeated it in her own damn committee.

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Speaker 4: She would dug her heels in. She was not going

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Speaker 4: to let us get this done, not in her committee,

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Speaker 4: by god. Well what happened then? Well, again we had

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Speaker 4: Senate leadership, and this is where Senator Rod Bray, who

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Speaker 4: would not always been on our side on this issue.

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Speaker 4: He stepped up and said, nope, this is the year

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Speaker 4: it gets a vote on the floor. They had to

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Speaker 4: do it. It's called a stripping insert. They had to

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Speaker 4: take a different bill, and this is just to get

579
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Speaker 4: around Liz Brown. This is just to get around Liz Brown.

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Speaker 4: Liz Brown was going to single handedly defeat constitutional carry

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Speaker 4: again in twenty twenty two, after ten years of fighting

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Speaker 4: on this issue. She was personally individually going to defeat

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Speaker 4: constitutional carry again. Senate leadership said, nope, this is the

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Speaker 4: year it gets a vote. They took a different bill

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Speaker 4: that had survived committee. They took the entire contents of

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Speaker 4: that out, put constitutional carry in it, and then gave

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Speaker 4: it a vote on the floor just to get around

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Speaker 4: Liz Brown. And that's when we got it done. Because

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Speaker 4: it was different than what had originally been passed, it

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Speaker 4: had to go into committee, and once it did, boom,

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Speaker 4: it was reconciled, it was passed on the floor in

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Speaker 4: the Senate. Governor Holcm signed it, and now it's the

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Speaker 4: law of Indiana. But that was in spite of Liz Brown,

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Speaker 4: in spite of Liz Brown being our chief opponent. She's

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Speaker 4: a Republican, for crying out loud, and she was our

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Speaker 4: number one opponent on constitutional carry for year after year

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Speaker 4: after year, including the year we got it passed. Is

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Speaker 4: that okay? Is that okay to campaign on the Second Amendment?

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Speaker 4: Is it okay to fundraise on the Second Amendment? Is

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Speaker 4: it okay to sing the praises of the Second Amendment

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Speaker 4: and promise support for the Second Amendment and then dab

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Speaker 4: us in the back when it comes to what goes

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Speaker 4: on in her committee. Well, you notice she's not on

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Speaker 4: that committee. Well excuse me, she's not chair of that

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Speaker 4: committee anymore. And my personal belief is because it had

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Speaker 4: a lot to do with how badly she stabbed us

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Speaker 4: in the back. But she's still a Senator, she still

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Speaker 4: gets a vote, and she's still one of the rhinos

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Speaker 4: that can stand in our way on every two way

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Speaker 4: related bill going forward. And that's why I'm very excited

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Speaker 4: we come back. We're going to have Darren Vote, who's

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Speaker 4: running against Liz Brown in the primary, and he's a

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Speaker 4: true Second Amendment supporter. He has the endorsement not only

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Speaker 4: of the National Rifle Association, but the Indiana State Rifle

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Speaker 4: and Pistol Association, and as he's going to hear in

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Speaker 4: just a minute, the two Way project, he's got all

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Speaker 4: of our support and our enthusiastic support. You're gonna hear

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Speaker 4: from Darren here in just a moment. Right now, we're

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Speaker 4: taking a break. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun

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Speaker 4: Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: I got a gun guy, Guy Ralfred on ninety three

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Speaker 1: w y DC.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 4: Show on ninety three w IBC. And I'll tell you

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Speaker 4: what I'm really excited to bring into the show. And

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Speaker 4: welcome to w ib C, Darren. Vote Darren, thanks so

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Speaker 4: much for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate you having me.

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Speaker 4: Guy, absolutely so. I don't know if you heard any

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Speaker 4: of my rant just now, but Liz and I have

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Speaker 4: a history and she didn't much like me, and I

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Speaker 4: don't care much for her, and I'm really excited that

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Speaker 4: we have such a quality candidate running against Liz in

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Speaker 4: the primary this year. What brought you into that race, Darren?

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Speaker 5: Well, before I get into that, let me just tell

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Speaker 5: you this. It's kind of funny that you mentioned that

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Speaker 5: she's a big anti two A person, But every mailing

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Speaker 5: that she gets on every mailing, but a lot of

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Speaker 5: the mailings she puts she's an NRA member, yeah, on

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Speaker 5: her marriage, which is really frustrating because obviously she's done

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Speaker 5: nothing really to support Constitual Carrier the Second Amendment. So

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Speaker 5: it's really frustrating, that's for sure. And that's one of

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Speaker 5: the reasons, you know why I got into this race.

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Speaker 5: I mean I looked at you know, I ran for

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Speaker 5: this seat back in twenty fourteen when there was four

646
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Speaker 5: of us running for that seat and loss to Liz,

647
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Speaker 5: and she said that she was going to serve two terms,

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Speaker 5: and you know, you made that pledge the constituents, and

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Speaker 5: you know, this is turn number four. So that's reason

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Speaker 5: number two. And then the reason that really got me

651
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Speaker 5: the most excited to run against her with the fact

652
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Speaker 5: that she voted to allow boys to play in girls' sports,

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Speaker 5: you know, and as the daughter, I have a six

654
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Speaker 5: year old daughter, I would never allow a boy to

655
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Speaker 5: be in the girl's bathroom or girl's locker room or

656
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Speaker 5: anything like that at all. And so I started looking

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Speaker 5: at a record and I said, you know what, it's

658
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Speaker 5: time for her to have a challenge because she talks

659
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Speaker 5: like a Republican but doesn't vote like it at all

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Speaker 5: in certain areas, So it was time for me to

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Speaker 5: take on. And you know, I like where we're at

662
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Speaker 5: right now in the race.

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Speaker 4: Well I'm excited about it. And you didn't actually know

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Speaker 4: you have the endorsement of the two A Project until

665
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Speaker 4: right now, but I'm I'm pleased to announce that and

666
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Speaker 4: I'll give you some documentation on that here over the weekend.

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Speaker 4: But NRA supports you, Indian State Rifle and Pistol Association

668
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Speaker 4: supports you, as does the two A Project. That those

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Speaker 4: are the voices on Second Amendment rights here in Indiana,

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Speaker 4: and so you ran the table on that, and congratulations

671
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Speaker 4: on that.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you. I greatly appreciate it. It means a lot,

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Speaker 5: it really does. We need to have folks in the

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Speaker 5: State House that are fighting for our constitutional rights on

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Speaker 5: a regular basis, and that's what I plan to do

676
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Speaker 5: when I'm down there.

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Speaker 4: So as you go through this campaign, and you know

678
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Speaker 4: you you posted on Twitter or rex here earlier today,

679
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Speaker 4: there's something I just agreed with completely and that's why

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Speaker 4: I reposted it. You said elections are about differences, and

681
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Speaker 4: you know that's such a succinct way of phrasing something

682
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Speaker 4: I feel for a really long time, and then I

683
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 4: don't think enough candidates spend time talking about you know,

684
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 4: everybody want to talk about themselves, and occasionally they'll attack

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Speaker 4: their opponent, or some candidates spend all their time attacking

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Speaker 4: their opponent. But in my mind, it's about a comparison.

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Speaker 4: It's about a difference. And that opening line in your

688
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Speaker 4: post on Twitter today, I thought just hit that squarely

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Speaker 4: on the target. It's about differences. And so when people say,

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Speaker 4: all right, Darren vote. I may have some issues with

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Speaker 4: Liz Brown. There may be some things I agree with her.

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Speaker 4: She's pro life, for instance. Okay, but what are the

693
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Speaker 4: differences that you want to highlight that make people want

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Speaker 4: to move to your camp and vote for Darren vote.

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Speaker 5: Well, let me first address that pro life. You're right,

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Speaker 5: she is a pro life person. But I'll tell you

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Speaker 5: what I actually, I'm one hundred percent pro life, but

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Speaker 5: I live that out. I've got four kids my wife

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Speaker 5: and I do, and three of those kids have been adopted,

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Speaker 5: So it's not something that I just say it's a

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Speaker 5: campaign slogan, but I actually lived that that pro life

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Speaker 5: out and you know, I knew I was never going

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Speaker 5: to get the pro life endorsement. Liz has been with

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Speaker 5: them for a long time, and she has members of

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Speaker 5: her inner circle that are on the polical Action committees

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Speaker 5: at the state and at the local level. So I

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Speaker 5: knew that was never going to happen. But it doesn't

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Speaker 5: change my stance on pro life at all. But the

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Speaker 5: big difference between her and I is I'm a business guy.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: I know what it's like to write the front side

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Speaker 5: of a check. I've been an entrepreneur all my life,

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Speaker 5: from starting out as a young kid with a paper

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Speaker 5: route and working for my parents' donut shop, and then

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Speaker 5: opening my own business and doing that for the last

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Speaker 5: thirty years, and you know, selling businesses and commercial real estate,

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Speaker 5: and currently in business with my son who now owns

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Speaker 5: donut shops with me and takes care and run those.

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Speaker 5: But I have a business background, no offense. But we

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Speaker 5: don't need as many attorneys as we have down at

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Speaker 5: the state as yeah, okay, I just have.

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Speaker 4: To do as an attorney, no offense taken, right.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've got a couple of good attorneys, but

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Speaker 5: I'll save those through off the year, you know. But

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Speaker 5: I look at things differently. I look at ways to

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Speaker 5: find things. Where can we find waste fraud and abuse

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Speaker 5: in government? You know, I announced this year the great

728
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Speaker 5: Who's Your Audit? Where we take a look at you know,

729
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Speaker 5: can we find waste fraud and abuse using AI fraud detection?

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Speaker 5: You know, there's there's things like, you know, if we'd

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Speaker 5: had my AI fraud detection, the recent announcements about the

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Speaker 5: six hundred and fifty dollars an hour autism, you know,

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Speaker 5: someone's billing the State of Indiana six hundred six dollars

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Speaker 5: an hour for AUS, it wouldn't happened because there would

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Speaker 5: been triggers in place that said, hey, wait a minute,

736
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Speaker 5: this doesn't look right. I mean, sixtyen and fifty dollars

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Speaker 5: an hour doesn't make sense. It's not within the norm.

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Speaker 5: And then that that doesn't allow us, that already allows

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Speaker 5: people to come in and take a look at it

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Speaker 5: and say, wait a minute, there's some fraud or abuse

741
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Speaker 5: or something going on here. Those are the kind of

742
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Speaker 5: business principles where I'm different and I'm going to find

743
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Speaker 5: ways to make things happen within the Statehouse, and I

744
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Speaker 5: know how to work with people. You talk about Liz

745
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Speaker 5: being taking off the chair of the Judiciary Committee, and

746
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Speaker 5: there was a reason for that. That's because you know,

747
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Speaker 5: she doesn't know how to work with people, right. She

748
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 5: called her, she called her her cow her her colleagues

749
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Speaker 5: cowards publicly. Now that doesn't get you anywhere. All that

750
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Speaker 5: doesn't get you removed from the chair. And she wants

751
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Speaker 5: to claim it's redistricting that that got her that, but uh,

752
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Speaker 5: the person that replaced her a chair voted for redistrict

753
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Speaker 5: and just like she did. So you know, it's it's

754
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Speaker 5: a lot of smoke and mirrors. She she tries to

755
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 5: say one thing and do another. We've kind of labeled

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Speaker 5: them both ways brown because she's taken says one thing

757
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Speaker 5: and does completely the opposite. So you're gonna find that

758
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna do what I say I'm gonna do and

759
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Speaker 5: and and I'm not. So I'll say, uh, self confidence

760
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Speaker 5: to use the right word, I guess there is has

761
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Speaker 5: to know that I'm not the expert in every field.

762
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Speaker 5: I'm not, but I'm going to go to the experts

763
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Speaker 5: in the fields where I don't have a depth knowledge

764
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Speaker 5: and depthnology and talk to them and make sure I'm

765
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Speaker 5: understanding the issue and the size of that and put

766
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Speaker 5: my conservative leadership skills to work to convince those around

767
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Speaker 5: me to come to the conservative side of the table.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know that that makes so much sense to me.

769
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Speaker 4: And you know, and I'm one of those guys when

770
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Speaker 4: it comes to the Second Amendment issues. There are a

771
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Speaker 4: number of legislators now and it's a long list I'm

772
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Speaker 4: proud to say, where they have an issue on the

773
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Speaker 4: Second Amendment or they're trying to decide how they want

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Speaker 4: to go forward on a legislative initiative that deals with

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Speaker 4: Second Amendment. Right, So a lot of people come to

776
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Speaker 4: me and say, hey, guy, how can we approach this?

777
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Speaker 4: You have any ideas on how to write this? You know,

778
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Speaker 4: what do you think we ought to be focusing on

779
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 4: this year? And so listen, I not only want to

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Speaker 4: see you elected, Darren, but I'd love to be one

781
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Speaker 4: of the guys that can work with you, particularly on

782
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 4: Second Amendment issues, to say, hey, here's where our priorities

783
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 4: ought to be, here's where our focus ought to be.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely that's right. You know, when the legislators go

785
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 5: down to Indianapolis and they think they know everything, that's

786
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 5: the problem. Or they get to go so confident in

787
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 5: their power, right, you know, you start talking through the

788
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 5: fact that she's going to serve two terms and now

789
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Speaker 5: she's running for a fourth term. To me, that's all

790
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 5: about power. We've got to hold are elected, isis accountable

791
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Speaker 5: if you say something, thedn't do that in this case.

792
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 5: That's why I'm running. And we've got you know, we

793
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 5: get the word out and this race is ours to win.

794
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 5: I've got you know, Senator Banks is behind me. A

795
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Speaker 5: g Rakeita is behind me. You know, State Trader Daniel Ellis,

796
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Speaker 5: Ellie's behind me. There are a lot of people who

797
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 5: would love to be behind me and are getting behind

798
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Speaker 5: me to make this happen, to make that this, Liz,

799
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Speaker 5: is the last session that she just had.

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Speaker 4: You know, you mentioned Attorney General Tyder Okeda, and I've

801
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Speaker 4: worked with him on a number of issues as well,

802
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 4: and and I've always worked incredibly well with him. But

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Speaker 4: I would I would speculates not even strong enough a word.

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Speaker 4: I am relatively sure that one of the reasons that

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Speaker 4: Attorney General Keda is backing you is because of Liz

806
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 4: Brown's position on immigration bills that she did not support

807
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Speaker 4: that the Attorney General h strongly did. And how do

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Speaker 4: you distinguish yourself on immigration from Liz.

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Speaker 5: Brown, Well, I mean, I let's just say this. The

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00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 5: only reason, in my opinion, the only reason she supported

811
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Speaker 5: immigration this year is because I announced in July that

812
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Speaker 5: I was going to run against her. And what did

813
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Speaker 5: she need to do. She needed to be strong and

814
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Speaker 5: be aligned more so with President Trump. And she's never

815
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Speaker 5: been aligned with President Trump on many issues, and immigration

816
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 5: was once. She wasn't alied with him until I ran.

817
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Speaker 5: Because last year she blocked the bill. She said she

818
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Speaker 5: didn't have time to hear the bill in the week

819
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Speaker 5: left in session, and she called no hearings for her committee.

820
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Speaker 5: And then this year when she created her own Fairness Act,

821
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Speaker 5: you know that she tried to say was the best

822
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Speaker 5: bill out there and the gold Standards what she's been

823
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Speaker 5: calling up here in our area. Well, the only reason

824
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Speaker 5: that it became a good bill is because Jadie Prescott

825
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Speaker 5: on the House side, along with the Age, inserted all

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Speaker 5: the good language from the bill the prior year that

827
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Speaker 5: she she blocked.

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Speaker 4: So that's that both ways.

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Speaker 5: Brown, you know, I didn't like it last year. I

830
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Speaker 5: now to vote for it. So it's a consistent theme

831
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Speaker 5: that she says one thing does another, or is it's

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Speaker 5: not my way. We're not going to do this, and

833
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Speaker 5: that's I'm not that kind of person going to I'm

834
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Speaker 5: going to work with people to get things done, especially

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Speaker 5: on good legislation. I'm not going to wait another year

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Speaker 5: to get it done. Let's get this stuff done now.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if you've observed this, but

838
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Speaker 4: and listen, you have political experience in your background on

839
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 4: a city council for a number of years, but you know,

840
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time over at the State

841
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 4: House during the session every year, and a lot of

842
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Speaker 4: time in committee and on the floor of each chamber

843
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Speaker 4: during votes. And one thing that's always been disappointing to

844
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Speaker 4: me is that we seem on conservative issues, and obviously

845
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Speaker 4: my focus is Second Amendment, but on those issues, we

846
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: seem to have a straight path path forward through the House,

847
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Speaker 4: and we get things done in the House year after year.

848
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Speaker 4: We got constitutional carry passed several years in a row.

849
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Speaker 4: We had Church Carry, which is such an important bill.

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Speaker 4: We finally got done in twenty two or twenty nineteen,

851
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Speaker 4: but it took way too many years. We would get

852
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: things done in the House and for some reason, things

853
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 4: would go over to the Senate and they would block

854
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Speaker 4: that we couldn't get them out of comittee, or or

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00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 4: they got blocked some other way. They go into the

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Speaker 4: deep dark hole, which is the caucus hearing, and I've

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Speaker 4: got a caucus meeting, and I've got a major pet

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Speaker 4: beave about this. They disappear in the Senate Republican caucus

859
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: and suddenly they'd come out of that caucus meeting and

860
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Speaker 4: a bill would be dead with no vote going forward.

861
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Speaker 4: And I've never understood why there seems to be such

862
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 4: a dramatic difference between there being being many more true

863
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 4: Conservatives and Republicans in the House than there are in

864
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 4: the Senate. And the word rhino gets so overused, and

865
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 4: it's to the extend it's annoying, but quite frankly, it

866
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Speaker 4: really applies. Liz Brown is one, and there's many more

867
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Speaker 4: I could name right now top of my head in

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Speaker 4: the Senate. And that's why I get excited when we

869
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Speaker 4: have someone I can I perceive to be a true

870
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Speaker 4: conservative like you running. But have you noticed that? And

871
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 4: do you have any explanation or theory as to why

872
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 4: we run into that in this Senate year after year

873
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 4: after year?

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not down there so I really guess

875
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 5: I can't answer that, but I can tell you this.

876
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Speaker 5: You know, what I will do is bring my leadership style.

877
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Speaker 5: You know you mentioned I was on actually county council,

878
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Speaker 5: my city council for twelve years, and I served six

879
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Speaker 5: of those twelve years as president of counsel, which tells

880
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 5: you that I've got leadership skills to bring people together

881
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 5: to come to consensus. And you know, that's that's really

882
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 5: what I plan to do down there is get these

883
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 5: conservative ideas, conservative thoughts, figure out ways to make sure

884
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 5: that that caucus can come up and not block the

885
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Speaker 5: things that the House is done on the conservative side

886
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Speaker 5: of the issues. And that's really where I think I'll

887
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 5: all shine the most is in that caucus room where

888
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Speaker 5: I can talk to people and build that relationship up

889
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 5: so there's that trust and not through through through throwing

890
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 5: daggers at people. You know, you go back to the

891
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 5: to the testimony you talked about in your show earlier,

892
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Speaker 5: that the nine hours on the two A oh, yeah,

893
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Speaker 5: the concerts, Yeah, I listen. I've listened to most of

894
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 5: that and and I tell you, the way you treat

895
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 5: people is what you get. And I listened to the

896
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 5: treatment that those that were speaking in favor of were

897
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 5: by the chair and they were treated terribly compared to

898
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Speaker 5: those that were speaking against the bill. And you'll never

899
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 5: see me do that. You know, I'm going to treat everybody,

900
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 5: even if we're on the wrong side of the issue.

901
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 5: You know, I'm going to treat you with dignity and

902
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 5: respect so that we can build a relationship so that

903
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 5: when I need to have you vote on a conservative issue,

904
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 5: you'll be on my side.

905
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 4: Well, listen, we've got a little along on this segment,

906
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: but listen, Darren Vote, thanks so much for joining us.

907
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 4: Any any last words on what you want voters to

908
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 4: know about Darren Vote versus Liz Brown in the primary

909
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 4: coming up.

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00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 5: You know what best thing to do we go to

911
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 5: vote for Indiana. That's VOGT for Indiana. Doing it to

912
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 5: my campaign, that'd be the best things we can get

913
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 5: this message out.

914
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 4: Hey, thanks so much, Darren Vote. We're rooting for you.

915
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 4: We really need you in the Indiana Senate. And best

916
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 4: of luck, and thanks so much for joining us here

917
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 4: on the Gun Guy Show.

918
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 5: Thanks guy, I appreciate every Now, all.

919
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 4: Right, that's it. Right now, we're taking a break. We'll

920
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 4: be right back. This says Guy Relford on ninety three

921
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 4: WYBC segment leading up to my interview with Darren. There

922
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: are not that many politicians that get me riled up

923
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 4: as much as some of the rhinos in the Indiana

924
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 4: General Assembly, and Liz Brown is number one on my list.

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00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 4: You know, you can't get mad at the liberals for

926
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Speaker 4: being liberal. You can't get mad at the Democrats for

927
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 4: being Democrats. You can think they're idiots, you can think

928
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 4: that they ignore their oath to support and defend the Constitution.

929
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 4: You can get annoyed with them or even angry with them,

930
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 4: I suppose, for a lot of things, including the ridiculous

931
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 4: positions they take, including you know, want of men and

932
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 4: women's locker rooms, and any number of ridiculous positions. But

933
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Speaker 4: they're being true to themselves. They told you they're a liberal.

934
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 4: They've got Democrat next to their name. You know, you

935
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 4: mosquito lands on you and bite you. Yeah, you swat

936
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 4: it because you wanted to stop biting you. But you

937
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 4: I'm mad at it because it's doing what mosquitoes do,

938
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 4: and democrats do what democrats do. Liberals do what they do.

939
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 4: At least they're being true to the label next to

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Speaker 4: their name. What pisses me off much worse as someone

941
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 4: who calls themselves a conservatives, calls themselves a Republican, calls

942
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 4: themselves a support of the Second Amendment, And this stabs

943
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 4: us in the back at every opportunity. And let me

944
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 4: tell you, and I understand. You know, Darren, hopefully he's

945
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 4: in the General Assembly next year and he'll see it firsthand.

946
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 4: But man, we got way more of those people in

947
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 4: the Senate than we should in the Indiana I mean

948
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 4: a lot more than we should, and it is held

949
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 4: to get through. We get things done in the House

950
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 4: year after year on Second Amendment. The issue is always

951
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 4: whether we can get them out of the Senate because

952
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 4: there's so damn many rhinos. There's so many people who

953
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 4: are I swear to are Democrats in their hearts, but

954
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 4: they know they can't win in their particular districts as Democrats,

955
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Speaker 4: so they put in our next to their name. There

956
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 4: are wolves in sheep's clothing. It's worse than being a rhino.

957
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 4: They're hiding who they are, and not enough of them

958
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 4: get called out for what they do. They don't get

959
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 4: called out for their votes, they don't get called out

960
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 4: for stabbing us in the back on conservative issues. And

961
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Speaker 4: even if we do call them out, and I've been

962
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 4: calling out Liz Brown for years, especially in the Senate,

963
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 4: They've got all those years, since their terms are so

964
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 4: much longer, They've got all those years between elections, and

965
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 4: people forget memories fade. And that's why I all always

966
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 4: talk about twenty twenty two when she had to go

967
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 4: way out of her way to establish in the back

968
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Speaker 4: on Constitutional Care. We had to go around her to

969
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 4: get around her committee, and by the grace of God

970
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 4: and Senate leadership, we got it done. But man, she

971
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 4: went down spitting and fighting and cussing figuratively speaking on

972
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 4: Constitutional Care. It was amazing how hard we had to

973
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 4: work to get that done around her. I'll tell you what,

974
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 4: let's take a short segment here, we'll come back wrap up.

975
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 4: I'm going to finish the discussion. I was really excited

976
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 4: about having Darren vote on this show, and I'm glad

977
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 4: we took that time. It's so incredibly important and listen.

978
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Speaker 4: Fort Wayne is kind of on the outer edges of

979
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 4: the WIBC listening area, but this will be posted as

980
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 4: a podcast. We want to get it circulated up there.

981
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 4: If you listen in that area, please repost the podcast.

982
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 4: I really want to get his name out, his message out,

983
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 4: and take the sheep's clothing off of Liz Brown just

984
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 4: a bit in terms of revealing who she really is

985
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 4: as a member of the Indiana Senate. Right now, take

986
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 4: a break, we'll come back wrap up the discussion on

987
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Speaker 4: pistol braces when we come back. This is Guy Ralford

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Speaker 1: He's a Second Amendment attorney, he's an NRA certified Firearms inspector.

1014
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Speaker 3: He's the young guy, Guy Ralford on WYPC.

1015
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Speaker 4: And welcome back for our last segment here today's the

1016
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 4: Gun Guy Show. So here in our first hour, I

1017
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 4: was talking about out the pistol brace situation and how

1018
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 4: this final rule that the ATF passed basically saying that

1019
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 4: if you had a pistol base on your pistol, you

1020
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 4: converted into a rifle and if it wasn't registered under

1021
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 4: the National Firearms Act, then you're looking at ten years

1022
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 4: in prison essentially, and that got vacated, got thrown out

1023
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 4: in court, and so lots of people, I mean literally

1024
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 4: millions more people and millions people already had them. Millions

1025
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 4: more people went out and got them, millions more were

1026
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 4: produced and sold and then lo and behold here just

1027
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 4: on the sixteenth of this month, and a brief in

1028
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 4: continuing litigation on this issue in Texas and Federal court,

1029
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 4: the ATF and the Department of Justice file a brief

1030
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 4: where they say specifically that they ATF continues to enforce

1031
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 4: the NFA's regulation of short bailed rifles against some brace

1032
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 4: equipped pistols, even though the rule has been vacated. And listen,

1033
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 4: it's got a lot of attention. It's all over social media.

1034
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 4: People were issuing emergency notices, you know, for instance, saying,

1035
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 4: oh my god, now you got to worry about going

1036
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 4: to prison. And I just want to offer what I

1037
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 4: think about this. First of all, I think the ATF

1038
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 4: is notorious for just wanting to bully people. They want

1039
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 4: you to believe there's some jeopardy of being prosecuted, being terested,

1040
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 4: being convicted, and bully you into doing what they otherwise

1041
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 4: can't do legally, And do I think that's what the

1042
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 4: intent was in publishing this. Yes, Now, is there any

1043
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 4: basis to prosecute anyone? Even though the final rule was vacated?

1044
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 4: In other words, when I posted about this on social media,

1045
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 4: I had people come back and say, wait a minute,

1046
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 4: if the rule's been vacated, there's no standing, there's no

1047
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 4: basis to prosecute. Well, yes there is. It's the NFA itself,

1048
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 4: and that's what they're saying in this quote. The NFA

1049
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 4: continue to say, you can't have a short barreled rifle.

1050
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Speaker 4: It's not registered, and a rifle is defined as a

1051
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 4: firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder. And so today,

1052
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 4: even though the final rule is gone, if the ATF

1053
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 4: can convince a jury that you're a particular brace that

1054
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 4: you have on your gun makes your gun designed to

1055
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Speaker 4: be fired from the shoulder, then you can potentially still

1056
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Speaker 4: be convicted. And in other words, they don't need the rule.

1057
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Speaker 4: The rule interprets the statue. The statute decides what a

1058
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 4: crime is and defines what the crime is, defines what

1059
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 4: the law is that you may violate. Now, if you

1060
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Speaker 4: have a brace on your gun that ATF previously approved

1061
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 4: before the final rule came out. I think there's zero

1062
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 4: chance of getting convicted. I don't know about zero, but

1063
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 4: something damn close. If you have a brace that's been modified,

1064
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 4: if you have a brace that resembles more a stock

1065
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 4: than a brace, then I say there's greater jeopardy. But

1066
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Speaker 4: we're definitely up in the air on this. ATF's creating

1067
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,959
Speaker 4: uncertainty on purpose so as to bully people into their

1068
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 4: view of compliance. I'll talk more about this in future

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Speaker 4: Gun Guy shows. Right now, that's it for this week.

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Speaker 4: Remember always be safe, always shoot straight, says Guy Ralford

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Speaker 4: on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.