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Speaker 1: the United States, it is Venezuela eight o'clock first pitch.

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Speaker 1: You can see it on Fox, but of course you

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Speaker 1: can also hear about it because Tricia Whitaker, who needs

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Speaker 1: native of Bloomington, worked at CBS four, has been regularly

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Speaker 1: a guest and a friend of this radio station, and

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Speaker 1: also working Major League Baseball coverage for Apple TV. But Tricia,

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Speaker 1: a little different assignment for this particular event for you

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Speaker 1: down in Miami.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Jake. It's been so much fun. I'm pretty

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Speaker 3: much just doing social media content down here in Miami,

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Speaker 3: interviewing the guys, interviewing the players, and getting some fun

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Speaker 3: storylines because it's just such a passionate tournament that it

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Speaker 3: really it needs more coverage than just the x's.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that Tricia I've noticed about it, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So you can tell me if this is an off

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Speaker 1: base thing, but I'm not going to say that it

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Speaker 1: goes as far as like say the Waste Management Opening Golf,

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Speaker 1: little more because it is still a very highly competitive event,

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Speaker 1: but it seems like it's one where guys do let

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Speaker 3: No, there's accuracy to it. I would not say that

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Speaker 3: that affects the seriousness of it for them. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I would argue that, especially from the Dominican side and

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Speaker 3: the Venezuelan inside, they're actually far more serious about the

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Speaker 3: WBC and winning a title for their country than they

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Speaker 3: are a World Series. And that's not to say they

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Speaker 3: don't care about a World Series. They very much do.

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Speaker 3: But what we don't understand in America is that it's

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Speaker 3: their baseball routs in Venezuela specifically, it's different and winning

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Speaker 3: a title for their country would mean more to most

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Speaker 3: baseball has been integrated in their country in a different

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Speaker 3: to say that it's not important to our country. It's

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Speaker 3: probably on display more. They are also among their brothers

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Speaker 3: fun traditions. The Venezuelan team, they're the best dancers I've

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Speaker 3: doing their countries like dance to their country's song. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's different. It hits home for.

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Speaker 1: Them more Socha Also with this particular, I know the

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Speaker 1: United States has won this before. They did so in

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. They're trying to replicate that tonight or duplicate

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Speaker 1: that is. Stylistically, is the game in this tournament played

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Speaker 3: No, So, I mean I think strategically it's absolutely played differently, right,

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Speaker 3: We've actually seen that with Team USA. So a lot

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Speaker 3: So you know the whole thing with Scooble, right, he

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Speaker 3: So strategy absolutely plays into this differently than the regular season.

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Speaker 3: You know, this isn't if this is a championship. In

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Speaker 3: But tonight Nolan McLean is he is. He's going to

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Speaker 3: In a normal game, You're like, put him out there,

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Speaker 3: So it is different, The strategy is different. And also

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Speaker 2: In the WBC, Tricia Whitaker is my guest.

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Speaker 1: He's on the Java House Cold Brew Coffee guest line

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Speaker 1: for the World Baseball Classic that is taking place championship.

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Speaker 2: Game down in Miami tonight.

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Speaker 1: She will have the coverage of it from a social

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Speaker 1: media standpoint, foul territory, the podcast as well, and then

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Speaker 1: of course activities begin for the Major League Baseball season

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Speaker 1: with Apple TV for her. Tricia, when I think about

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Speaker 1: I know that's shocking, but it used to be that

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Speaker 2: And this is not the case now.

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Speaker 1: I realize where players would use opportunity like this to

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Speaker 1: But from a baseball standpoint, not necessarily in terms of

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Speaker 3: I mean, I certainly think it's maybe a possibility. I

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Speaker 2: That was a pretty cool, pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: That was awesome. I love Kyle. He's wonderful. Kyle and

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Speaker 3: American sports like trivia like greatest what's your greatest sports

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Speaker 3: So he's not going to be like, the greatest US

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Speaker 3: Yeah it was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Well listen, I mean there is the Cubs thing, Tricia,

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Speaker 3: it keeps me up at night because there are more

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Speaker 3: They haven't been that for a while, and it's not

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Speaker 3: I think they can be relevant, and I like Debrees.

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Speaker 3: I really do like Debrees. I think that he needs

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Speaker 2: And a roster that he could organically put together rightly.

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Speaker 3: want to be relevant. I'm not like, let Munn and

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Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, we're going to end with this.

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Speaker 1: Give me the major League baseball team that quietly this offseason,

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Speaker 2: I'd watch it all my gosh, Jake, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Going to tell him that next time I interviewed him.

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Speaker 1: Watch it on the loop. All right, Tricia, we can

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Speaker 3: Over Twitter and all over Instagram at Christia Whittaker. You

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Speaker 1: I've been crunching the numbers on the Colts to ask

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Speaker 1: are the Colts better right now than they were three

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Speaker 4: So you've actually had a negative I believe so far,

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Speaker 2: I look at it this way.

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Speaker 1: But Steven, is it possible that we're gonna learn that

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Speaker 4: at linebacker and free agency because someone has to do it.

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Speaker 4: You can hate Zire Franklin with all your heart as

435
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Speaker 4: a Colts fan, I don't just I don't agree with that, right,

436
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Speaker 4: I mean, do I think do I think that he

437
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Speaker 4: was that he was a sensational linebacker last year? No,

438
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Speaker 4: But that's not the question. The question is do you

439
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Speaker 4: have someone that come and place him right now? The

440
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Speaker 4: answer is probably no. I don't see anybody on the

441
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Speaker 4: roster and if you, if you have someone, they don't

442
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Speaker 4: they probably won't do it very well. So that leaves

443
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Speaker 4: them in a situation where, look, you you might not

444
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Speaker 4: have liked what you had, but you don't even have

445
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Speaker 4: that anymore. Okay, So I don't know where they are.

446
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Speaker 4: And you are correct, though Juanna Roumo almost to a detriment,

447
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Speaker 4: I think really is a little bit does have a

448
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Speaker 4: little bit of a distaste for playing young players, and

449
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Speaker 4: I think that sometimes can work against them because I

450
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Speaker 4: think you you can over you can have an overreliance

451
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Speaker 4: on veterans, and sometimes that's not always better, you know.

452
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Speaker 4: And I think it also flies in the face of

453
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Speaker 4: what Chris Ballard said at the end of the season,

454
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Speaker 4: which is that they have to get younger and faster

455
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Speaker 4: on defense. Okay, true, are you going to play those

456
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Speaker 4: younger and faster players if and when you get them?

457
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Speaker 4: That's another question, right. So I don't have a lot

458
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Speaker 4: of answers, but there's a lot of questions there, and

459
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Speaker 4: they don't sit well with you if you're trying to

460
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Speaker 4: progress as a defense next year.

461
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Speaker 1: If Zire Franklin had was the same player with the

462
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Speaker 1: same results, the same trajectory right now, but had never

463
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Speaker 1: had a podcast and said anything publicly about Pro Bowls

464
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Speaker 1: or any other such thing, none of which ever was

465
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Speaker 1: like completely holy cow, stop the press, but some of

466
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Speaker 1: it that was a little like, really, dude.

467
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Speaker 2: Would he still be here?

468
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Speaker 1: Because I can point to a lot of guys on

469
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Speaker 1: the roster that we could certainly say their numbers have diminished,

470
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Speaker 1: But the guys that some of the players that they've

471
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Speaker 1: even added right now are.

472
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Speaker 2: Kind of just a guy.

473
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Speaker 1: So would he still be here if it weren't for

474
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Speaker 1: putting himself kind of out there?

475
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Speaker 4: So fair question? I would say that the answer is no.

476
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Speaker 4: I really believe this decision was about football and didn't

477
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Speaker 4: have anything to do with the off the field stuff.

478
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Speaker 4: Number one, That stuff was happening a year before, in

479
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Speaker 4: two thousand and twenty four, going into twenty five. I mean,

480
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Speaker 4: in fact, may there may have been even worse examples.

481
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Speaker 4: I think back in twenty four, right, like even the giants,

482
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Speaker 4: you know, trash talk that you might recall, and then

483
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Speaker 4: they go and get blown out by the giants, right,

484
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Speaker 4: and the optics of all of that, and the Forrest

485
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Speaker 4: Buckner then stepping up and having to talk about what's

486
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Speaker 4: happening in the locker room. You might remember that statement,

487
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Speaker 4: and you know it was it was messy at the

488
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Speaker 4: end of twenty twenty four, So I think things were

489
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Speaker 4: hotter on him at that point and they kept him.

490
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Speaker 4: So here here's the other thing. When I inquired with

491
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Speaker 4: someone in the front office about the trade the day

492
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Speaker 4: he was traded, and I kind of asked a version

493
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Speaker 4: of the question, you asked, like, you know what, you know,

494
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Speaker 4: what was this about? And the answer I got was

495
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Speaker 4: that it was just time. It was time. And I

496
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 4: think that was a recognition that physically, you know, he

497
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Speaker 4: had probably lost something, he had lost maybe just a step,

498
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Speaker 4: And I think that's all it takes. Frankly, it doesn't

499
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Speaker 4: mean the bad player. It just means you just don't

500
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Speaker 4: have that extra step that you used to have, and

501
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Speaker 4: it was costly for them. I think the other thing

502
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Speaker 4: that herd zire Franklin is the change from the old

503
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Speaker 4: defense to the current defense. I don't believe that really

504
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Speaker 4: helped him because it put more coverage responsibilities on him.

505
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 4: He had to cover more ground things like that, and

506
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Speaker 4: that was challenging for him and kind of exposed him

507
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Speaker 4: to some degree. So all of that I think was

508
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Speaker 4: a part of that decision. I don't think it had

509
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Speaker 4: a lot to do with the yapping and the trash

510
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Speaker 4: talking and all of those things that fans have come

511
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Speaker 4: to resent.

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Speaker 1: If you've surveyed Stephen Holders, my guest ESPN dot com,

513
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Speaker 1: where you can read his work, he is, of course

514
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Speaker 1: on the Java House Coldbrew coffee guests. If you surveyed

515
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Speaker 1: the majority of general managers in the National Football League,

516
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Speaker 1: would they say they are more intrigued by the future

517
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Speaker 1: of Justin Fields or Anthony Richardson.

518
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Speaker 4: I think Anthony Richardson. Okay, I can only speak for myself,

519
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 4: but here's why I think you'd get that answer, because

520
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Speaker 4: we know what Justin Field is fair, we know what

521
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Speaker 4: he is. I think if you're talking about being intrigued

522
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 4: when it comes to justin fields, Well, then you haven't

523
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 4: paid attention, right, I think the appeal Can.

524
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: We really evaluate a guy when when some of those

525
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: years are the Jets.

526
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Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, right, I mean it was never

527
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Speaker 4: in optimum situation. I mean the pre Ben Jonson Bears,

528
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Speaker 4: the Jets any year, okay, the Steelers for five minutes.

529
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Speaker 4: I guess that was probably the height of his Well,

530
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Speaker 4: I guess he had the one year with the Bears.

531
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Speaker 4: I'd say that was pretty competent football where it was

532
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: like you could talk yourself into this guy being a

533
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Speaker 4: franchise quarterback. But then you know, he had some moments

534
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Speaker 4: with the Steelers, but I don't think enough to really

535
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Speaker 4: convince anybody that he.

536
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Speaker 3: Was a guy.

537
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Speaker 4: So it's really just been flashes with him. But I

538
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Speaker 4: hear what you're saying, that is fair. I do think

539
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 4: you give him some benefit of the doubt because of

540
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: the situations he was in. But he has played a

541
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Speaker 4: lot of football, a lot, He's taken a lot of snaps,

542
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: he started a lot of games. Anthony Richardson by comparison,

543
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Speaker 4: is it's still a neo fight. I mean, you're talking

544
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Speaker 4: about fifteen starts. I mean it's nothing really, that's less

545
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Speaker 4: than a full season. Justin fields has started for several

546
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Speaker 4: you know, So I just think there's still upside there.

547
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: We know that Anthony Richardson physically, we know there's a

548
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Speaker 4: lot there. I think in a different offense, in a

549
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Speaker 4: different situation that maybe tries to accentuate the things that

550
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 4: he does well. And I'm not telling you I'm never

551
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 4: building an offense around Anthony Richardson. But but if you

552
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: can find a way to put him in put in

553
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: a better position where you can get more out of

554
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 4: him based on the things that he does well, there

555
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 4: might be something there. I think it's workable. I don't

556
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: think he's going to get a starting job anytime soon.

557
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: He's gonna have to go somewhere, prove himself as a backup,

558
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 4: maybe get an opportunity to play, and then he's going

559
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 4: to try to see the next Miligue Will that's really

560
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 4: the plan for Anthony Richardson.

561
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Speaker 1: This feels to me, Okay, I'm going to give you

562
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Speaker 1: a really one of my bad Jake Querry like comparisons,

563
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: not necessarily analogy, but comparison. Okay, Okay, we wonder if

564
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Speaker 1: there's a trade market for Anthony Richardson. We see Justin

565
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: Fields traded for a sixth I think it was a sixth.

566
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Speaker 1: We think, okay, so what does that mean for Anthony Richardson?

567
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: But is it perhaps a safer assumption to say, And

568
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back when the New York Knicks

569
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: traded for Carmelo Anthony, there was someent this disagreement internally

570
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Speaker 1: because it's like, wait a minute, we know this guy's

571
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Speaker 1: going to sign with us as a free agent in

572
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Speaker 1: the offseason. Why in the world would we trade for him?

573
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Speaker 1: And the owner stepped in and said, we got to

574
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Speaker 1: trade for him and get him now. Is it possible

575
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Speaker 1: that there the conventional wisdom would be there's no market

576
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Speaker 1: or interest in Richardson, but it could rather be And

577
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Speaker 1: you tell me, if this is my point, are there

578
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Speaker 1: owners and general managers that look at Anthony Richardson and say,

579
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Speaker 1: why in the world would we trade for this guy

580
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Speaker 1: when the odds are really high he's going to be

581
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Speaker 1: released and we can just sign him as a free

582
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Speaker 1: agent and not give anything up for him in terms

583
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Speaker 1: of asset and like four months, so you can't that

584
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: is judge his trade value, right?

585
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 4: Now that is one hundred an issue. I've been told that,

586
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 4: and I think it's It stands to reason if you're

587
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 4: if you're a team out there and you have even

588
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 4: remote interests in Anthony Richardson, you've looked into the situation

589
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: and this is not hard to read. They gave him

590
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: permission to seek a trade when their current quarterback was

591
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 4: unsigned and nursing an Achilles tendon rupture. Think about that.

592
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 4: So if I am, if I am Team X, and

593
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 4: I have any interest in Anthony Richardson, I look at

594
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 4: that and they say, oh, they hate this guy, Well

595
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 4: they're gonna cut him. It's right, I mean, I mean,

596
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: it almost is funny. If you're on the outside looking in,

597
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 4: you're probably asking, wait, why aren't they holding on to

598
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: him a little longer? Dame Jones hurt? That'd be the

599
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 4: question I ask. So, if you're granting him and his

600
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Speaker 4: representation permission under those circumstances to go seek out a trade, well,

601
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Speaker 4: you are absolutely one thousand percent of with the guy,

602
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Speaker 4: and if you can't get a trade, tells me you're

603
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Speaker 4: gonna cut him.

604
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Speaker 2: So you're right, absolutely right, Steven.

605
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Speaker 1: What else are you working on here that we can

606
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: look for upcoming at ESPN.

607
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: So, speaking of Achilles, I want to look, Okay, let

608
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: me back up. I think that we for the last

609
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Speaker 4: several months, and really in the past week, since Daniel

610
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: Jones has signed this contract, you know, nationally in particular,

611
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: we've heard a lot of voices saying, well, why are

612
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 4: they paying this guy? He's hurt and we don't even

613
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Speaker 4: know when he's going to be available. We have been

614
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 4: told locally, look, trust us, he's going to be ready,

615
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 4: he's on schedule and all that. I think that I

616
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Speaker 4: don't think we should just take their word for it.

617
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Speaker 4: So I want to take a look at the history

618
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Speaker 4: of Achilles injuries with quarterbacks and I'm diving into some

619
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Speaker 4: of that and just you know, what, can we reasonably expect?

620
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Speaker 4: How do they tend to play coming off of these injuries?

621
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: Things like that. So I think those are pertinent questions

622
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Speaker 4: because we are kind of just rubber stamping this like, oh,

623
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Speaker 4: he'll be back, Well, I mean, are we sure? And

624
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Speaker 4: if so, what's he looked like? I mean, those are

625
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 4: the most important questions. They have built their entire offseason

626
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 4: around this being successful, so I better work. So anyway,

627
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 4: I'm just getting started on that, but that's something I'm

628
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 4: looking at here in the next week or so.

629
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Speaker 7: Steven a minute ago, you just mentioned like the Malik

630
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Speaker 7: Willis route seems the most likely scenario for Anthony Richardson.

631
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Speaker 7: Do you think the Packers would be interested in doing

632
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Speaker 7: something like that again, because I know they've done it

633
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Speaker 7: a handful of times now in the history of their franchise.

634
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Speaker 4: They have, and I would say, yes, the Packers. There's

635
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: definitely been conversation with the Packers with Anthony Richardson's camp. Now,

636
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: does that equate to them making a trade. No, but

637
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Speaker 4: it says that they're interested. There's a couple other teams

638
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 4: from what I understand, that are also at least mildly interested.

639
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 4: You know, whether this all materializes too early to say.

640
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: I think we're talking about closer to the draft personally,

641
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: maybe even after or during the draft. But but I

642
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 4: do think there's some interests there. I think teams have

643
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: to feel it out. We're seeing a couple of last

644
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 4: quarterback Domino's fall here. The Justin Fields one is an example. Uh,

645
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: you know, Geno Smith, et cetera, and that that's the

646
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 4: fallout for the Gino Smith trade. I do think we're

647
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 4: getting closer to where a guy the level of Anthony Richardson,

648
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 4: you know, maybe comes into play, but maybe not quite

649
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 4: there just yet.

650
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Speaker 2: Steven.

651
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Speaker 1: We wish you the best in terms of the NCAA

652
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: Tournament and for the second time in three months seeing

653
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: your team, the Miami Hurricanes get eliminated by a team

654
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Speaker 1: from Indiana and pretty beat him in the second round.

655
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Speaker 2: So good luck with that.

656
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Speaker 4: All right, all right, all right, yeah, I mean listening.

657
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Speaker 4: I told jam V last night, I could live with it.

658
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 4: I could live with losing to Indiana, you know, one

659
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Speaker 4: of the greatest single seasons we've seen in college football

660
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Speaker 4: in a long time. I could live with it. I

661
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: slept fine that night. And if it happens that we

662
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Speaker 4: lose in the second round of the NCAA Tournament with

663
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Speaker 4: the team that was awful last year, by the way,

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Speaker 4: to a very well coached Purdue team that I think

665
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Speaker 4: the world of, I'll sleep just fine.

666
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: So all right, I.

667
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Speaker 4: Guess I don't know what that says about me as

668
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Speaker 4: a fan, but.

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Speaker 1: Boilers, that's a nice compliment to produce. That's what it says.

670
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: It says, Actually, you're not fifteen years old like I was.

671
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: I broke my phone when Indiana lost to Richmond in

672
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight. I've grown up since then, I promise

673
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Well, well a little bit at least.

675
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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, all right, appreciated Stephen. All right, guys,

676
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Speaker 1: I had Stephen Holder joining us on the program.

677
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Speaker 2: Yes.

678
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Speaker 1: By the way, if if the tournament were to begin

679
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Speaker 1: today and it was Saint Patrick's Day, you know, it

680
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: used to be when Notre Dame would play on St.

681
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: Patrick's Day, it was like a huge deal, and it's like, well,

682
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Speaker 1: who in the world wants to play them on Saint

683
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: Patrick's Day?

684
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: Right? The whole place is green.

685
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Speaker 1: I think one year the Celtics were here against the

686
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: Pacers on Saint Patrick's Day and it's like, little what

687
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: are we doing here?

688
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: Right?

689
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: What school would have the most mojo based on playing

690
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: on Saint Patrick's Day?

691
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 6: That's a great question.

692
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Speaker 1: There's North Texas is not in right, they're there, the

693
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: mean green Uh, the Tulane is the I think that

694
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: the waves, but the green waves maybe you would see

695
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: Greensboro is not in right, they'd be likely. You would

696
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: have to think. I don't even know how many Hawaii

697
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: they're they're green, right.

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Speaker 6: They're the what the rainbow the Warriors Greenbow.

699
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: Warriors, but they've got gret I think they were. I

700
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Speaker 1: mean it's a it's a darker green. No, it's not

701
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: really a Kelly green. But still is there one I'm missing?

702
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: People are probably yelling at the radio like, hey, moron.

703
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 6: I mean I just did Michigan that the Gaels were.

704
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the gals bolted though.

705
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: They're traders, right, Michigan State obviously, right, Yeah, it's Spartans. Well,

706
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: they're all green, and they were, but they were kind

707
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: of a darker green, also true. What do you think

708
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: is the most non non Penn Vanderbilt Duke Division, what's

709
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: the most prestigious school in the NCAA tournament?

710
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 6: Non Penn.

711
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean Penn is an IVY league, so that goes

712
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: without saying. Duke and Vanderbilt are extremely elite private institutions.

713
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Speaker 1: Outside of that, what would it be, Oh, Virginia. Probably

714
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Speaker 1: Virginia is a really good school.

715
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Speaker 7: I don't know when you think about cal Baptist, but

716
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 7: that sounds like another hard school to get into, you think.

717
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: So cal Baptist to me sounds like it's in a

718
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: strip ball, right, It's like an academy, a basketball academy

719
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Speaker 1: started like if we look up cal Baptist, I'll bet

720
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: it's if you look it up. And I'm in nothing

721
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: against by any means, just because I've never heard of it.

722
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: It's a small school, but like, it wouldn't surprise me

723
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Speaker 1: if it's one of those schools that open in twenty

724
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Speaker 1: nineteen and it's next to pet Smart.

725
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Speaker 2: That's what I could be wrong.

726
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joins us now, and I'm sure thrilled to

727
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: be doing so based on this segue. He's on the

728
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Speaker 1: Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line. Scott, what school jumps

729
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: out to you as being the one that would have

730
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Speaker 1: the most luck of the Irish on Saint Patrick's Day?

731
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they're not playing, but obviously Notre Dame

732
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 5: on what we see here locally in terms of bracket wise,

733
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Speaker 5: that's hard to say.

734
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Speaker 1: He's got green in it, doesn't it? Aren't They like

735
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Speaker 1: green and orange.

736
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Speaker 2: UNBC Hawaii Hawaii for sure? I mentioned Hawaii. Yep. Yeah,

737
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Speaker 2: Now here's the other thing. And I'm being South Florida.

738
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Speaker 1: Oh, South Florida. That's a good one. That's a good one.

739
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Speaker 1: I've always thought this if and I'm being serious.

740
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Speaker 6: For what Duke the hardest college to get in.

741
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Speaker 1: That's what I said, non pen Duke or Vanderbilt Division

742
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Speaker 1: in Virginia. I think Hawaii Scott would be the hardest

743
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: school to recruit towards. And the reason being, and I'm

744
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: being serious when I say this, the when you do

745
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: on campus visits. How in the world if your University

746
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: of Hawaii, would you know whether or not a player

747
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Speaker 1: is legitimately interested in your school because he schedules an

748
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Speaker 1: on campus visit. Wouldn't everyone schedule an on campus visit?

749
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Speaker 5: It goes back to I think what you've tweeted or

750
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 5: talked about several times about where you visit or where

751
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 5: you start your school versus where you finish in the

752
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 5: thoughts behind that. But you're right, Yeah, if you're a

753
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Speaker 5: highly recruited player or even mediocre and Hawaii's interested, I

754
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 5: think I'm taking my first one there to get it

755
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 5: over with.

756
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Speaker 1: I went to high school with Derek May's. I've told

757
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: this story before. Derek's a year below me, but as

758
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Derek also Scott. But I remember

759
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Speaker 1: when we were in high school, Derek Mays wanted to

760
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Speaker 1: make his official visits, he was. You know, we didn't

761
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Speaker 1: have Rivals dot Com back then. But I think it's

762
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Speaker 1: safe to say that Derek was widely regarded as the

763
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Speaker 1: number one wide receiver prospect in the country, or one

764
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: of them, as evidenced by the the fact that he

765
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: went to Notre Dame and became their all time leading receiver.

766
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Speaker 1: But if I recall correctly the four schools that he

767
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Speaker 1: wanted to do for his official in home visits or

768
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Speaker 1: excuse me, on campus visits where Notre Dame, Penn State, Alabama,

769
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: and Hawaii, and his dad interfered. His dad stepped in

770
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Speaker 1: and said, look, you can't make this visit unless you

771
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Speaker 1: are legitimately. You can't do that to them. It's dishonest.

772
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Speaker 1: So he did not visit it, but he discussed it

773
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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 5: I thought UCLA was going to be on that list

775
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 5: as well.

776
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Speaker 2: Oh, man, have you been on that campus.

777
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Speaker 1: That's an a brief that's an elite university by the way,

778
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: So that would be that campus. You walk on that

779
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: campus one time and you're like, sign me up, what

780
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: do I do?

781
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: Where do I go?

782
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Speaker 5: You can totally understand why Tenants lacks at basketball games. Yeah,

783
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 5: I got plenty of other options before you get to

784
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Speaker 5: the basketball court.

785
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: You walk from your dorm to the basketball game, and

786
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: it's seventy two and sunny out, and nine different people

787
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: invite you into a you know, frisbee golf competition. I

788
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: mean it's beautiful. Yeah, I mean, come on, man, like

789
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: no question. Speaking of basketball in general, Pacers and Action

790
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: tonight they're in New York and then they're back here

791
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: tomorrow night taking on Portland and Scott. I'm going to

792
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: begin with this, where do we stand here in terms

793
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: of And I know I asked you this last week,

794
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: but if you look at basically every player on the

795
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: roster is in some way listed on the injury report,

796
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: but which one of these are legitimate? Like, hey, this

797
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: guy needs time to get his body right, Yeah.

798
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 5: I mean set reality is many of them have a

799
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 5: variety of things. But like TJ McConnell, I think about

800
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 5: his hamstring, Jake, It's been something he's dealt with since

801
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 5: Game one of the preseason, all the way back there,

802
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 5: So that one definitely concerns me, especially given his age

803
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 5: for being a basketball player. With all that obi toppin

804
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 5: coming off an injury. Still, I think that one's something

805
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 5: you're absolutely always monitoring as he's trying to get back

806
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 5: to one hundred percent. And then probably I would throw

807
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 5: Quentin Jackson as well, after he suffered that calf strain

808
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 5: last week. So those are the ones more than any

809
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 5: of them I'm watching closely.

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00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: I think, And I know that we've talked about this before, Scott,

811
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: but I wanted you to kind of piggyback on what

812
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: I just talked about. I think one of the brilliant

813
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: things that Rick Carlisle has done with this group is

814
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: managed to kind of masterfully massage the minutes once you

815
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: knew the year was a wash. It's one thing they

816
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: could have easily said, we're going with Taylon Peter, Ethan Thompson,

817
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: Micah Potter, you know, insertin name of whoever else for

818
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: the rest of the year and just play those guys

819
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: all the time, and you could say, yeah, I mean

820
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: they're getting quality minutes, but if they're in games where

821
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: they're down thirty, how much are they really seeing? But

822
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Speaker 1: using nim Hart, using Siakam, using Jaris Walker who's really grown,

823
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: and the you know, the guys that we know are

824
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Speaker 1: going to be mainstays once everyone's healthy. Using those guys

825
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: to keep game, keep games competitive, and then forcing those

826
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Speaker 1: other players to have to play in minutes where the

827
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: other team is not backing off. That to me is

828
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: a stroke of genius. Has that benefited the development of

829
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Speaker 1: those players.

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Speaker 5: I think so. But the biggest thing has just been

831
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 5: those guys getting minutes, you know, getting that opportunity, getting

832
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 5: the game reps where ordinarily they would not be able

833
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 5: to the main thing right now that Rick's having to

834
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 5: massage a little bit is the availability of some of

835
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 5: the two way guys, because those players are restricted to

836
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 5: fifty games of being active, so they can be active

837
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 5: and not play and it still counts a strike against you.

838
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 5: And so that's why fans, if you're watching the bench

839
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 5: and you know Ethan Thompson wasn't available last game, that's why.

840
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 5: Is they're trying to get to the finish line with

841
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 5: those three players and their availability. They can be available

842
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 5: for like most of them, the rest of the way,

843
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 5: but not the entire thing. And so what we've seen

844
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 5: is good starts from this group. We've seen them take

845
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 5: leads early in games, the middle two quarters aren't so great.

846
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 5: They might fight back in the third quarter, and then

847
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 5: that fourth quarter, they usually turn it over to those

848
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 5: other guys where Yeah, these other teams need wins, like

849
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 5: the Knicks. They need these wins and so they can't

850
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 5: take it for granted. So a lot of the stars

851
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 5: will be out there.

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Speaker 1: Scott, who's the best team right now in your opinion? Well, yeah,

853
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: I think the best team in the league and best

854
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: team in the East.

855
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 5: Overall, I'd still go with the Thunder just with their experience,

857
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 5: their depth. They have the best player playing right now

858
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 5: with SGA, certainly, although the Spurs have been all over

859
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 5: them this season, so that would be the one thing

860
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 5: that makes me nervous if i'm them. On the East side,

861
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 5: the Pistons have the wins and statistically are the best team,

862
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 5: but I'd now that Tatum is back and the way

863
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 5: Brown has been playing certainly put himself in that MVP conversation, Jake,

864
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 5: I'd probably pick Boston still out of the East.

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Speaker 1: Could we learn anything from Jason Tatum's you know, ability

866
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: to go out there and play and play at a

867
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Speaker 1: high level. Is the movement and the style of play

868
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Speaker 1: for Tatum analogous enough to what Halliburton has to do

869
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Speaker 1: as a player to be able to make comparison, even

870
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Speaker 1: though every Achilles is different.

871
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think you can. You can learn

872
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Speaker 5: a lot from him. From Dejonta Murray. On the other side,

873
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 5: you can look from within, right, you had Isaiah Jackson,

874
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 5: you had James Wiseman. Now those are bigs who rely

875
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 5: on speed a lot less, but they too came back

876
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Speaker 5: from Achilles and had the same exact doctor as well.

877
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Speaker 5: So that's informative here. But Tatum's about six weeks ahead

878
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Speaker 5: of Halliburton. Those two have been in touch throughout this process.

879
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 5: And the thing I really enjoy Jake is seeing those

880
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 5: guys and this is even public, so who knows what

881
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 5: they're saying and sharing pub privately. Is how encouraging, How

882
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 5: that's become a fraternity. Not a good thing, but those

883
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 5: guys that have been through these Achilles injuries are now

884
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 5: supporting one another and because only they know what they've

885
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Speaker 5: gone through. And so to see Tatum come back and

886
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 5: basically average twenty points per game while playing high volume

887
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 5: in minutes I'm talking about like thirty plus minutes per game,

888
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 5: I think that's really encouraging because Tyrese is going to

889
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 5: have significantly more of an off season to get back

890
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Speaker 5: up to speed and build the confidence. But at this

891
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 5: point for Tatum and probably getting there for Tyree's Jake

892
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 5: is more than anything about the mental side of all

893
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 5: this and trusting your body and trusting your instincts in

894
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Speaker 5: the way in which you move on the floor.

895
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Speaker 1: Scott Agnus is our guest. He is on the Java

896
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Speaker 1: House Coldbrew Coffee guest line. Of course, you can always

897
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Speaker 1: read his work at Fieldhouse files dot com. Scott, have

898
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Speaker 1: you heard? I have not, and so I don't know

899
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Speaker 1: if you have any update at all on Halliburton. Just

900
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Speaker 1: you know, the last that we knew he had been

901
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Speaker 1: diagnosed with shingles, he was going to be away from

902
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Speaker 1: the team from a few weeks that in talking to

903
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Speaker 1: Ralph Reef, you know, he was saying, Hey, the it's

904
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Speaker 1: not like the shingles goes down to the Achilles per se,

905
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: but that's that much more rigor on your body in

906
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: a recovery period. Have you heard any update on just

907
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Speaker 1: how Haliburton is.

908
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's doing better. He was on the last trip

909
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 5: with the team. While I didn't see him on the bench,

910
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 5: he was there. And so the fact that he's traveling

911
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 5: and back with the group after being away for a

912
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 5: little less than a month. I think I think that's encouraging.

913
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Speaker 5: But yeah, like Ralph suggested, he obviously knows way more

914
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Speaker 5: in this area. Is that does raise a little bit

915
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 5: of concerns because the additional strain that it puts while

916
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Speaker 5: your body's just in complete repair mode essentially for the

917
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 5: last eight plus months. Again, though, he's going to have

918
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Speaker 5: all off season, more of an off season than he's

919
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 5: probably ever had in his life, to make sure everything

920
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 5: is on track and doing just fine. So no reason

921
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Speaker 5: for concern. I don't think.

922
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Speaker 7: Scott Alexa Philippoo of ESPN has been all over the

923
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Speaker 7: contract or not contract, but CBA negotiations between the Players Association,

924
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 7: the WNBA, and the league itself. We're starting to enter

925
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 7: the danger zone now because they put the timeline a

926
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 7: week ago today on when they felt like they needed

927
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 7: to have something agreed upon to not delay the start

928
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 7: of the season or any of the off season things

929
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 7: that have to get done. Where do things stand right

930
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 7: now in those CBA negotiations.

931
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting how oftentimes these deadlines spur action. It's

932
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 5: certainly spurred movement with these conversations as fans may be

933
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 5: reading about right that the league and owner or League

934
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 5: commissioner Kathy Engelberg, along with players representatives which includes Brianna

935
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 5: Turner of the Indiana Fever, still out there and negotiating

936
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 5: and hashing out these conversations. But to me, it's great

937
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 5: that these are happening, But I'm like, could we not

938
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 5: have done this and felt this urgency a month ago

939
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 5: so that we wouldn't be up against the clock here?

940
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 5: And I think it's encouraging that these conversations are ongoing.

941
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 5: They're going three and four in the morning, and both

942
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 5: sides seem to be optimistic about the way and how

943
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 5: they have felt in the direction they are going. But

944
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 5: you're definitely at crunch time right now because there are

945
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 5: so much they got to knock out. Once a deal

946
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 5: has agreed upon, and it's gonna take lawyers presumably ten

947
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 5: days two weeks to hash out. Then you need, you know,

948
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 5: expansion draft because two teams have zero players right now.

949
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 5: But right now, the number one sticking point is and

950
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 5: continues to believe b I believe is the percentage of

951
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 5: the revenue share, and the owner ownership and commissioner league

952
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 5: side of things wants to do it based on net

953
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 5: based on you know, how much profit they turn versus

954
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 5: the players union is trying to negotiate to do it,

955
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 5: on gross on on how big the league has become

956
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 5: even without expenses. And I think that's kind of that

957
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 5: last sticking point. Once they get that done, I think

958
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 5: everything else can fall in line and there can be

959
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 5: some give and take.

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Speaker 1: Scott, I you know, for a long time, I know

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Speaker 1: that the And by the way, folks, we're gonna do

962
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Speaker 1: the numbers game here in just a second if you

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Speaker 1: want to start lining up two, nine, ten, seventy, Scott,

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Speaker 1: I know that the you know, the NBA for a

965
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Speaker 1: long time was subsidizing the WNBA. I mean, each of

966
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: the teams had a an NBA partner in that that's

967
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Speaker 1: where the money was coming from, you know. And look

968
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Speaker 1: at the case with the Fever, I mean they're still

969
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: owned by Pacer Sports and Entertainment. So is there, in fact,

970
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: are there franchises? Are there none of them that are

971
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Speaker 1: getting basically supplied monetarily by the NBA? Are they essentially

972
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Speaker 1: even if they're under the same ownership, financially having to

973
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Speaker 1: stand on their own?

974
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Speaker 5: So yeah, are there are a few franchises that are

975
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Speaker 5: not owned by NBA ownership. But we've seen a clear

976
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 5: indication here based on who has been awarded franchises recently

977
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 5: and is going to get franchises, is the league likes

978
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 5: to have that synergy with ownership that have known the league,

979
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 5: that they know their partners and what they are about.

980
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 5: But you're right, the number one issue in this whole

981
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 5: thing has become the percentage of ownership and all this.

982
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 5: And the challenge is the NBA owns forty two percent,

983
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 5: The league owns forty two percent, and then about four

984
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 5: years ago they raised I think it was seventy five

985
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 5: million dollars. And for example, her Simon PACER's owner, who

986
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 5: is an NBA owner, is an a WNBA owner and

987
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 5: now has ownership in there. He's got stake in all

988
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 5: three of those. A few of them do. But that's

989
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 5: why you're not talking and negotiating one one hundred percentage

990
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 5: points of this pot here and complicates the negotiation. You

991
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 5: can't do a fifty to fifty because the league doesn't

992
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 5: even own fifty to fifty of the revenue.

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994
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Speaker 1: field House Files will have all the coverage then Pacers

995
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Speaker 1: Blazers tomorrow at the field House. Appreciate it, Scott Okay,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Jake got Agnes joining us on the program.