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Speaker 2: The hot start is what probably makes the whole thing

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Speaker 2: hurt even more. But the fact that they were at

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Speaker 2: eight you know so soon it's you know, that class

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Speaker 1: Quinton's class and the nsiing those guys.

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Speaker 2: It's ahead of a class. These just know it doesn't

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Speaker 2: last forever. You have had one right, one or two

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Speaker 2: appearances and you just go, man, is there is a

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Speaker 2: he was my son.

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Speaker 3: First in ten around a seventeen yard line of the Colts,

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Speaker 3: Lawrence again backs to pass, fires at left side around

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Speaker 1: I think the Colts have recovered.

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Speaker 4: I'll lose football.

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Speaker 3: What stepson ever? Come third and goal rivers out of

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Speaker 3: the gun as the troops at the right has Taylor

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Speaker 5: The middle, moving left.

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Speaker 3: Touchdown Chonathan Taylor with this eighteenth rushing touchdown of this season.

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Speaker 3: Receiver motions to the right. That's partner Washington back in

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Speaker 3: the throw with Lawrence in the get dancing fires into

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Speaker 3: the end zone and it is intersectment and picked off

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Speaker 3: fuck Jermain Pratt in the back run.

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Speaker 4: Corner of the end zone.

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Speaker 1: An interception thrown by Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 6: I think it's just finding a way collectively as a

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Speaker 6: down to. Play here, play there, call here, call there,

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Speaker 3: Back. Going to throw. On third and ten, Lawrence with

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Speaker 3: a penalty on the field. Parker Washington giving ground moving

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Speaker 3: ten Lawrence direct snap, He's gonna take off and run

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Speaker 3: got two rushing touchdowns today and Jacksonville has a lead

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Speaker 3: for the first time. It's thirteen to ten over The

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Speaker 3: Colts motion out to the left side, including downs worn.

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Speaker 7: And mintl Pittman June There Cliffin Rivers throws that Way

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Speaker 7: intercepted thirty twenty five twenty yard line of being stopped

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Speaker 7: right there as Jerry and Jones and the Jaguars are

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Speaker 3: The rookie quarterback waiting on the shotgun staff prevent defense

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Speaker 3: by Jacksonville. They're gonna rush by that gonna throw his

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Speaker 3: Leonard steps away from trouble, throws downfield.

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Speaker 1: It's gone up air on an end of the end zone.

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Speaker 3: It is intercepted by Jacksonville at the eye in Indianapolis

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Speaker 3: in the end zone.

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Speaker 4: Twenty three to seventeen is.

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Speaker 3: The final score on the Rue of Warga scoreboard, and

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Speaker 3: the Colts losing skid now has reached six games.

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Speaker 6: Let's sit out check.

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Speaker 4: Well's things I am a use to sane, particularly before

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Speaker 4: the month of January.

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Speaker 8: Righ.

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Speaker 4: For the fifth straight year, the Colts will once again

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Speaker 4: watch meeting full football in the month of January.

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Speaker 1: Things that I'm not used to saying.

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Speaker 4: Gentlemen, It's Rose Bowl week for the Indiana Hoosiers.

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Speaker 1: What a time to be alive. Good Monday morning to you.

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Speaker 4: We are here Kevin bow and James Boyd, Caleb Zooverer,

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Speaker 4: thank you for the intro there, little JT. If you

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Speaker 4: want to make your significant other happy on this Monday morning,

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Speaker 4: right there, cry me a river from justin Timberlake, and

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Speaker 4: once again, the Colts will head to Houston for the

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Speaker 4: season finale, officially one o'clock on Sunday, and they will

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Speaker 4: play a game that has zero bearing on playing football

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Speaker 4: here in the month of January. I believe it's ninety

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Speaker 4: six teams James since two thousand have started eight and two,

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Speaker 4: and the Colts are the first to turn eight and

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Speaker 4: two into watching playoff football, not even getting to week eighteen.

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Speaker 4: If you want to take a step further and having

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Speaker 4: good to your point.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, they're the first team. Shout out to the Associated

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Speaker 9: Press are putting this out. First team in thirty years

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe that would be North about one hundred teams.

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Speaker 4: yesterday twenty three seventeen inside of Lucasolo Stadium. They build

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Speaker 1: That my eyes are watching unfold?

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Speaker 4: I thought it was pretty clear the game itself, Jacksonville

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Speaker 4: You know, you heard a couple of a couple of

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Speaker 4: we await what the Week eighteen decision will be at quarterback.

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Speaker 4: If indeed that was the it, I guess the final era,

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Speaker 9: That is certainly the elephant in the room, and I

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Speaker 9: think that's the weird part about covering yesterday's game, Kevin,

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Speaker 9: Laws had you won, it doesn't change anything from a

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Speaker 9: big picture standpoint. It was really, at least in my eyes, Kevin,

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Speaker 9: the unofficial Philip River sendoff, because now that they've been

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Speaker 9: So from that perspective, I can appreciate his effort coming

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Speaker 1: But now more serious questions await.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I guess I don't know, there's a part

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Speaker 4: the Colts playoff fate was sealed. I don't know how

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Speaker 4: you're used to eight straight years without a playoff win. Sunday,

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Speaker 4: ironically enough, will be the eleventh year anniversary of your

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is it?

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Speaker 9: The tire for the fourth longest playoffs drought right now

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Speaker 4: If Carolina wins on Sat. I think that's a Saturday game.

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Speaker 1: And think about it.

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Speaker 9: when the calendar flips to decemyear in January. For the Colts,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I would say a couple other things, and

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Speaker 1: And that's the only reason why the Colt's even had

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Speaker 4: So I think those are just some some things. If

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Speaker 9: You got to make that choice, irregardless of what happened

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Speaker 1: To do it. Yeah, if you told me there was what,

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Speaker 4: If there's thirty two Victoria's Secret models out there that

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Speaker 4: The weather in Pasadena looks absolutely ugly for New Year's Day.

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Speaker 4: Eight straight losses for the Pacers. They are in Houston tonight.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for starting off your week with us right here

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Speaker 4: in ninety three five on a seven to five The

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Speaker 4: much more on Colts and Jags in the big picture

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Speaker 4: throughout the show. Here on this Monday morning NFL Week seventeen,

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Speaker 4: with you your biggest takeaway from Week seventeen, and for those

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Speaker 8: What were the Steelers doing yesterday? That blows my mind?

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Speaker 4: That's game two seventy two, that will be the Sunday

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it necessarily would impact here, but

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Speaker 1: Can you trade coaches? You can trade?

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Speaker 8: You can?

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Speaker 1: You can? You can definitely do it.

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Speaker 9: First team to blink, and the Bears finally blinked on

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Speaker 4: So the two game Saturday, you'll get the NFC South,

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Speaker 4: That'll be tonight eight o'clock for the Pacers and again

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Speaker 1: A half point favorite over the Flashes for that one.

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Speaker 4: much more into what happened yesterday inside of Lucas Soil stadium.

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Speaker 4: Is that it for Philip Rivers and the inevitable big

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Speaker 1: Here as what seven and one is now turned into?

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Speaker 4: Flip it right one and seven, since the seven to

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Speaker 4: final start here.

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Speaker 9: He finally looked like he was not really in sync,

441
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Speaker 9: and I think he said that after the game, Kevin.

442
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Speaker 9: I thought he kind of made up for perhaps some

443
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Speaker 9: of the physical deficiencies the last two weeks heading into

444
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 9: that game because of his mind and throwing with anticipation, accuracy,

445
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 9: things like that. But yesterday I just didn't see a

446
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Speaker 9: whole lot of that. I know mar A Cox made

447
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Speaker 9: a great play in the end zone to extend I

448
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Speaker 9: guess the streak of games of at least having one

449
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Speaker 9: passing touchdown since he returned to the NFL. But I

450
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 9: thought River was just a little bit off yesterday and

451
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Speaker 9: just couldn't get the ball where he needed to go.

452
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

453
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Speaker 4: I thought it was the oldest he's looked so far.

454
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Speaker 4: I thought he kind of showed his age. And again,

455
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Speaker 4: I want to I have to throwing the caveat every

456
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Speaker 4: time we talk about Rivers, like, let's remove ourselves from

457
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Speaker 4: the movie for a second. The movie's incredible. It's unbelievable

458
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Speaker 4: what he's attempting to do all that stuff. But if

459
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Speaker 4: you're evaluating him in an NFL game as a quarterback,

460
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Speaker 4: the offense.

461
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Speaker 1: Was back to being a dinosaur.

462
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Speaker 4: It's I think in the River starts James Seattle in

463
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Speaker 4: this one. I believe it's the second and third fewest

464
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Speaker 4: yards in the Stikeen era. The yards per play number

465
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 4: again was just an archaic number. They only had one

466
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 4: drive over thirty yards the entire game. I mean it

467
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 4: was either Ashton Dooland has a huge kick return to

468
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 4: set you up, or you're not moving it at all there.

469
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Speaker 4: So you know, he said it after the game, probably

470
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Speaker 4: his worst start, I would agree on that.

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Speaker 1: I just thought he looked old.

472
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he ran into his offensive lineman for

473
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Speaker 4: a sack. I mean, I know the pick got tipped

474
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Speaker 4: a little bit. I didn't think that thing had a

475
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Speaker 4: prayer even to get there. Even if it wasn't that,

476
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Speaker 4: that was one of those throws where you need a

477
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Speaker 4: live arm tipped and it just felt like there were

478
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Speaker 4: probably three or four other balls James. I mean, he

479
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 4: definitely sprinkled in some good ones. I mean the ball,

480
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Speaker 4: the downs on the cold sideline that got challenge. I mean,

481
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Speaker 4: that was a hell of a play, but it just

482
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Speaker 4: seemed like, I don't know, maybe a hair late at.

483
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Speaker 1: Times, and.

484
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Speaker 4: He wasn't at the same he was playing a little

485
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Speaker 4: bit more fire than I think we had seen maybe

486
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Speaker 4: in the previous two starts there, and you know the

487
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Speaker 4: thing about him, I kind of find it fitting that

488
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Speaker 4: Caleb plays a clip there if Trevor Lawrence making a

489
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Speaker 4: play with his legs there.

490
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not obviously breaking news by any means.

491
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Speaker 4: But with Philip Rivers playing quarterback, it puts so much

492
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Speaker 4: pressure on your passing offense because that play that Lawrence

493
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Speaker 4: makes obviously is never going to be sniffed with Rivers,

494
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Speaker 4: and the Jonathan Taylor situation continues to be.

495
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Speaker 1: Beyond tough sledding for him.

496
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Speaker 4: How many they even have, Yes, I think it was

497
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Speaker 4: the same old, same old, like twenty carries for seventy

498
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Speaker 4: some yards.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, because you're trying to, at least myself, I'm trying

500
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Speaker 9: to remember, Wait a second, this is one of the

501
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Speaker 9: most explosive, if not the most explosive running back in

502
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Speaker 9: the league, and we just haven't seen that here in

503
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Speaker 9: America for over two months, it feels like.

504
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Speaker 4: Twenty one carries seventy yards a long run of ten.

505
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Speaker 4: And if you look at these losses James seven and

506
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Speaker 4: eight weeks, you won't find a stat that probably correlates

507
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Speaker 4: more to that than Taylor's yards per carry. You brought

508
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 4: up the game in Germany. Yeah, I mean that was historic,

509
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 4: over seven yards per carry. He obviously hits the home

510
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 4: run we all remember there in the fourth quarter. All

511
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Speaker 4: of that. If you look at that's the only win

512
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Speaker 4: in your last eight If you look at the seven losses,

513
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 4: every single time for Taylor three yards of carry, three

514
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Speaker 4: and a half of carry, two point nine to carry,

515
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 4: three point three of carry, I mean that has been

516
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Speaker 4: the constant. And I do think the lack of any

517
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 4: sort of threat vertically down the field from rivers and

518
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Speaker 4: of course with his legs is at play here. So hey,

519
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Speaker 4: I would go with Riley Leonard on Sunday. I don't

520
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Speaker 4: necessarily am saying that from the point of I think

521
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Speaker 4: Riley Leonard all of a sudden gives you this overwhelmingly

522
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Speaker 4: better chance to go win a football game.

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Speaker 1: I think I've said it since day one.

524
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Speaker 4: I'd probably would have gone with Leonard, would it ultimately

525
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Speaker 4: have looked the same zhe to three probably probably would

526
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Speaker 4: have been a little bit more volatile, honestly, Like, yeah,

527
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Speaker 4: with Rivers, it's a little bit more methodical bleeding, if

528
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Speaker 4: you will, And that's how I would view. But I

529
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Speaker 4: just think if there is even a hint that you

530
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Speaker 4: think Riley Leonard might be needed in September of next season,

531
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Speaker 4: which I know is a long ways away, I think

532
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Speaker 4: it'd be healthy for him to get his first start

533
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Speaker 4: on Sunday.

534
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Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure, because you don't know what you don't know.

535
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Speaker 9: I know he got thrown in there against Jacksonville week

536
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Speaker 9: fourteen after Daniel Jones went down, but giving him an

537
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Speaker 9: entire week to prepare and having that sort of title

538
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 9: s QB one would be good for his development.

539
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Speaker 1: I certainly agree with that. Kevin.

540
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Speaker 9: I thought it was funny if they sawed him for

541
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Speaker 9: the final player yesterday's game and for a second there,

542
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Speaker 9: I look like he gave him a chance to win

543
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Speaker 9: the game.

544
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Speaker 1: I mean that was a pretty good hail Mary attempt.

545
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Speaker 4: I mean, I know through and I saw where Pierce was,

546
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Speaker 4: I thought for a second it was gonna happen.

547
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and especially just because it didn't die before the

548
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Speaker 9: ends zone. And you know, I feel about alec Pis.

549
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Speaker 9: If it's in his vicinity, I feel like he's going

550
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 9: to go up and catch it. But also shout to

551
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Speaker 9: the dB for picking it, because I always felt like,

552
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 9: you know, the old school rules, just bat it down.

553
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 9: If he bad staff, I feel like somebody comes up

554
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Speaker 9: with it because it was a nice little crowd there.

555
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 9: But yeah, I think Mike Chappoll shout out to the

556
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Speaker 9: dean and he's walking out yesterday, Kevin.

557
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Speaker 4: He's like, it doesn't really matter, but they're gonna start

558
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Speaker 4: a rookie next week, most likely who had a zero

559
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Speaker 4: passer rating last week. And I'm like, only you Chap

560
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 4: would think of, you.

561
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Speaker 9: Know, the official statistical stat line for the one passes

562
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Speaker 9: and from Ry Leonard this peak peak.

563
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Speaker 1: Mike, should Sus Gardner have played yesterday? No, And.

564
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Speaker 9: Again I had a lot a lot of fans tell

565
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Speaker 9: me this is stupid, And while I agree with him,

566
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Speaker 9: at the same time, I was definitely trying to tell them,

567
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Speaker 9: and I think I told them, yeah that Friday, Hey,

568
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 9: he is going to start. I understand you all are frustrated.

569
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Speaker 9: It shouldn't be a thing, but this, this is what

570
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 9: is going to happen. That is the expectation. The playoff

571
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 9: implications didn't change anything, but the optics of it, Kevin

572
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 9: are bad. And I actually had it might have been

573
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Speaker 9: a listener who kind of really put it all into

574
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Speaker 9: context for me.

575
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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying.

576
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Speaker 4: I agree with all of this, but it is.

577
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Speaker 9: Pretty damning when your quarterback tried to play through a

578
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 9: broken fibula and he tore his right achilles, and then

579
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Speaker 9: your star defensive tackle came back, probably prematurely from a

580
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Speaker 9: neck injury. Now he needs a neck surgery. Sauce Gardener,

581
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Speaker 9: in a meaningless game for your franchise, the sauft Gardener,

582
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Speaker 9: year of two first round picks, four comes back from

583
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Speaker 9: a left calf injury. He's telling us how he wants

584
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Speaker 9: to fight through it for what, and then he ends

585
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Speaker 9: up leaving the game early because of a left calf injury,

586
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Speaker 9: reaggravating it, I would imagine, and we know how calves

587
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Speaker 9: are in this city. I mean, it just didn't seem

588
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Speaker 9: like the risk was worth that at all. So I

589
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 9: mean one practice in.

590
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Speaker 4: What two weeks, three weeks, it was like it was

591
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Speaker 4: like one practice a month.

592
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

593
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So the last time you played or practice was

594
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Speaker 4: November thirtieth, And yeah, to your point, with the Colts

595
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Speaker 4: having the weird short week last week, he technically only

596
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Speaker 4: practiced one day and that was the Friday practice, which

597
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 4: we all know the Friday practice is typically one of.

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Speaker 1: The lighter ones of the week.

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Speaker 4: It was, you know, when when you're there watching, you know,

600
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Speaker 4: from from the press box, you obviously can get the

601
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: full lay of the field you don't typically you know,

602
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 4: on the TV copy get you know whatever, great views

603
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: of the cornerbacks of the Safeties playing and play out

604
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Speaker 4: and I'm watching Saw and trying to focus him on

605
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 4: a little bit more because.

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Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be something I wanted to

607
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Speaker 1: write about.

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Speaker 4: He was favoring that thing a lot throughout the game,

609
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, I don't know if you ever feel

610
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 4: this way about covering guys, James, But I'm not fully

611
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 4: used to the Sauce Gardner body language just yet. You know,

612
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 4: like the more you watch people you cover, the more

613
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 4: you're used to. Like Lance Stevenson was the peak of it.

614
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: Lance would be.

615
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: Laboring out there and I'd be like, he's fine, you know,

616
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: it's like my kids fake crying.

617
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: Well, what do they say?

618
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Speaker 4: Uh? I think Stan Van Gundy always says it KB

619
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Speaker 4: the basketball is healing powers, right, So you know you

620
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: missed my layup and all my calf kind of heard

621
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Speaker 4: the day your team gets to steal and it's like,

622
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 4: wait a second, I feel good again. Sure that's like, uh,

623
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Speaker 4: it's the deva wide out that finally gets a target

624
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: or two and now all of a sudden he's running

625
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Speaker 4: his rout a little bit differently. So so with Sauce

626
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Speaker 4: in all, honestly, I don't like, you know, I haven't

627
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 4: viewed him that much to really watch him. Obviously, I

628
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: wasn't in Kansas City, I wasn't in Germany for those games.

629
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Speaker 4: But it looked like he was favoring it, I would

630
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Speaker 4: say a good amount. And then eventually, I think it

631
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 4: was the second drive of the third quarter. I see

632
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: him in the back of the bench with that wrap

633
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 4: on the left calf and thought to myself, boy, here

634
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: we go again. So tightness was what Shane Saikin said

635
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 4: in the Calf Sauce for what it's worse set after

636
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: the game. He doesn't feel like he restrained it or

637
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 4: anything like that. But still there's probably no need to

638
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: see you. What does that even mean? If it doesn't feel good,

639
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 4: then what did you do.

640
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 9: Over exert yourself? Like the risk again was just not

641
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 9: worth the reward at all.

642
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: Again, injuries are the reason for this. I want to

643
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: make that clear. But it is wild that we are

644
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: about to look back on the sauce Gardener trade in

645
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 4: the year of twenty twenty five and sit here and

646
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Speaker 4: say that Ady Mitchell gave the Jets more on the

647
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 4: field than sauce Gardner gave the Colts. Now, get is

648
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Speaker 4: a fact. Injuries are the definition of that. But damn

649
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 4: can you imagine saying that I said too loout Jeff

650
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Speaker 4: Rickor might be back in the studio here by seven

651
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 4: forty five here, so hopefully jeff will join us coming back.

652
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Speaker 1: We'll say this too later this week.

653
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Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw this.

654
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Speaker 9: Late yesterday last night, Kevin sauce Gardner put out this

655
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Speaker 9: long tweet about his level of play and how good

656
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Speaker 9: he was in the games that he did play, and

657
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Speaker 9: he had ultimately deleted it. When I say I saw

658
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Speaker 9: that post, initially I was just thinking.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, say that again. I totally missed that.

660
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Speaker 4: He put out a tweet and he ended up leading it.

661
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Speaker 9: Here's a tweet he said, I'll go ahead and say

662
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Speaker 9: the real since nobody else will, because it's me. I

663
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 9: only have thirty two targets. There are zero cornerbacks that

664
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 9: only had thirty two targets through six hundred snaps. I

665
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 9: only had twenty two targets through seven games. I do

666
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 9: not get targeted as much as ninety nine percent of

667
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 9: other cornerbacks in the league. And it goes on to

668
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 9: talk about how good he is and all this stuff,

669
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Speaker 9: and he ended it by saying, having a cornerback that

670
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 9: takes away half the field of the equivalent to having

671
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Speaker 9: a nice QB sauce.

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Speaker 1: With all due respect, brother.

673
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Speaker 9: Damn he had some numbers there. Yeah, you know, he's

674
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 9: got my story. But the point is, respectfully, who cares

675
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 9: read the room?

676
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Speaker 1: Brother?

677
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Speaker 9: I understand you haven't been here like that long, but

678
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 9: nobody wants to hear you talk about how good you

679
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 9: were in the games you did play when you missed

680
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 9: too many of them to really make this trade worthwhile.

681
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 9: I mean, and I'm not saying he's a bad person

682
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 9: or not a good player and.

683
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Speaker 1: All those things. He's a great player.

684
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 9: But still, I mean, come on, man, that is not

685
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 9: the time for that. You can send that to your

686
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 9: friends and family, your agent. Nobody wants to hear that

687
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 9: after your season's over.

688
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 4: No, I believe sauce Gardner what was a part of

689
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 4: two wins and fourteen losses this season, So I.

690
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 9: Would argue that again, having a cornerback take away half

691
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 9: the field is not as equivalent.

692
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: I was having a good quarterback brother.

693
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Speaker 4: To give him a little credit, though, I will say,

694
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Speaker 4: and I don't know how much this and I could

695
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 4: be just over analyzing Sauce Gardner in the field for

696
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 4: what it's worth. The Colts, I believe, if I'm not

697
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 4: mistaking James, all their quarterback hits on Trevor Lawrence yesterday

698
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: occurred in the first half.

699
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Speaker 1: No, I yes, win Sauce Gardner was playing. He deserves credit.

700
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Speaker 9: He is a again really good player and certainly affects

701
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 9: the game in a way that you get like those

702
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 9: coverage sacks because he's so good on the back end.

703
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Speaker 4: All I'm saying is sure, hey man, we don't want

704
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 4: to hear it and learning depress send at seven thirty

705
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 4: on that one. We'll get a lot I think into

706
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 4: the big picture, certainly, as the show moves along, and

707
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 4: as a week moves along. But James, when it comes

708
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 4: out of Chris Baward, are we evaluating one year or

709
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: nine years? Are we evaluating the twenty twenty five season?

710
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 4: Or are we evaluating a resume that's nine years long?

711
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: And I as should be nine? And I asked that

712
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: in all seriousness. No, I hear you.

713
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 4: I hear you.

714
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 9: And there's some nuanced there, like does Carly view it

715
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 9: as something different because this is her first year taking

716
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 9: over the team and how crazy things were this year

717
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 9: going from AID and too to AID and eight. But

718
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 9: overall I think she and everyone else should evaluate the

719
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Speaker 9: full nine seasons.

720
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Speaker 4: And that's why I don't.

721
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 9: Think you can look at the injuries just in a

722
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 9: vacuum for the one season. And to your point from

723
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Speaker 9: the last couple weeks on the show, Kevin.

724
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 4: If you had other accolades too fall back on, then

725
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: you can earn more grace in a season like this. Sure,

726
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 4: if this was let's let's say this was San Francisco

727
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: and John Lynch a season let's say San Francisco would

728
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 4: have been derailed by the injuries. Yes, clearly they have

729
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: not been, you know, John Lynch and company could sit

730
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: there and say, hey, look at what we've done, you know, throughout,

731
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: whether it's NFC West, whether it's the NFC you know,

732
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: championships period, playing in Super Bowl, if you're that regime,

733
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: this is the one off.

734
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

735
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 4: I bring it up though, because Carly did warn us

736
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 4: at her opening press conference of the injury situation.

737
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Speaker 1: You know, when asked it's eerie that she actually like

738
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: called it that perfectly.

739
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Speaker 4: I mean, she left herself that out. She said it

740
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Speaker 4: back in whatever that was. May you know, when asked

741
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: about I forget if the exact wording of the question

742
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 4: was like, hey, it's got to be a playoffs or

743
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: what coming up in twenty twenty five, she did not

744
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 4: take that bait. She sat there and said, well, you know,

745
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 4: there's a lot that goes into those seasons, and she

746
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 4: directly mentioned the injury excuse. Where I struggle with the

747
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 4: injury excuses. Now, all of a sudden to me, you're

748
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: banking on twenty twenty six with like more injury questions.

749
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 4: If you hear me out, you're benching your banking on

750
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones recovering from a torn achilles to give you

751
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: quality football right away.

752
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: Your banking is what's the Forest Buckner situation.

753
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 4: I mean that news item hit us on Friday where

754
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 4: he comes back from the neck, plays one game, now

755
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: needs surgery for the neck. Neck surgeries for thirty year

756
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 4: old football players.

757
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: Cap hit is about twenty six million dollars next year.

758
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 4: That doesn't sound ideal. I know Tavari's ward seems to

759
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 4: express a desire to want to play, but you can't

760
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 4: ignore that elephant in the room. And as much as

761
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 4: we talk about health has impacted, which it definitely has,

762
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 4: they also have had pristine health the skill group throughout

763
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: the season, like what if Jonathan Taylor has normal running

764
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 4: back health. And there are some players that I feel

765
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 4: like we talk about this core that I'm a little

766
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: unsure if well, I guess I'm not really unsure.

767
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Speaker 1: I don't think their play has been ascending.

768
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Speaker 4: And by that I mean the Zire Franklin's, the Kenny

769
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 4: Moore than Seconds, the Michael Pittman juniors. Are they still

770
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 4: ascending core players?

771
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: For you?

772
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 4: How much was it scheme for Kenny? How much of

773
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 4: it is it age with some of these guys.

774
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Speaker 9: That's the other thing, Kevin and I look at what

775
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 9: this core is, what exactly it's an all you trying

776
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 9: to win. And I say that because to your point,

777
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 9: they're an older group that hasn't won, and people that

778
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 9: get older don't get better in sports. So after having

779
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 9: this core here for X amount of years with nothing

780
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 9: to show for it, then do you need a new core?

781
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 9: And I'm not saying you can go out here and

782
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 9: cut the entire team, although a lot of fans will

783
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 9: probably welcome that, I.

784
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 4: Just don't know.

785
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 9: It feels like they're in a little bit of like

786
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 9: a no man's land. And I'm not talking about Chris

787
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 9: Ballard Shane. I'm talking about from a pure roster construction standpoint.

788
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 9: It's a weird setup because you're built to, in theory,

789
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 9: win now, but you haven't won in the past, and

790
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 9: it isn't like you're gonna win in the future either,

791
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 9: because in all likelihood you're probably banking on a quarterback

792
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 9: coming back from a torn achilles and being your starter

793
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 9: next year. We all know athletes are not the same

794
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 9: that first year back from achilles tears even the best

795
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 9: case scenarios. So does that give you confidence that next

796
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 9: you'll be better? Can we sit here and say, oh,

797
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 9: if everyone just gets healthy, they'll be a really good team.

798
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 4: Well, everyone ain't gonna.

799
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 9: Be healthy, and even if they are, are we sure

800
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 9: these guys are gonna go out there and perform to

801
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 9: the level a need to well.

802
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 4: And again, as much as the Colts can sit here

803
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: and say, hey, we're gonna play the injury excuse card,

804
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 4: you know, what's Kansas City gonna say about Mahomes, What's

805
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 4: Cincinnati gonna say about Burrow? What's Baltimore gonna say about Lamar?

806
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 4: You know, all three of those teams could probably say

807
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 4: that about their franchise quarterbacks. Are you a believer in

808
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 4: excuse me? GM and head coach got to be tied

809
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 4: at the hip. No, But I do think it is

810
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 4: a very.

811
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 9: Delicate needle to try to thread, because more often than not,

812
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 9: if you try to untether both of them, I feel

813
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 9: like if you switch one for the other, it doesn't

814
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 9: really work out.

815
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: But in certain scenarios it can. Look at the Bears,

816
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 4: for example.

817
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 9: They got rid of a bunch of people, but they've

818
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 9: changed GM, head coach, all these things throughout their recent

819
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 9: sort of history, and you see the finally, the fruits

820
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 9: of that labor, the fruits of those decisions with the

821
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 9: season they're having now, so it's possible. But Kevin, I'm

822
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 9: not sitting here saying, Okay, if you move on from

823
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 9: Chris Ballard, Shane Sickin is a lot to be brought back.

824
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 9: I'm not saying that at all, just because to your point,

825
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 9: I get that he has, you know, probably the injury

826
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 9: excuse bigger than anybody as far as not having a

827
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 9: quarterback finished a season in the last three seasons. But

828
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 9: it isn't like he has again this thirling resume to

829
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 9: fall back on.

830
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: Either. Yeah, I would probably agree with a lot of

831
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: what you just said.

832
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: I do think it's a really tough needle to thread,

833
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 4: you know. To me, I've kind of always approached it

834
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 4: from let's evaluate each of them individually, crisp Out and

835
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 4: Chang Stikeen, and then organizationally, you obviously will have to

836
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 4: make a decision if you do tie them at the

837
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 4: hip or not. You know, I go back to that

838
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: Carli ersa Gordon press conference is actually a question that

839
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 4: I wanted to throw her away. I think she interpreted

840
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: a little bit more from the do they get along,

841
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 4: and I think her mind goes back to Pagano and Gregson,

842
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 4: which they clearly did.

843
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: Not get along.

844
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's difficult to arrange marriage it up

845
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 4: to your point, there aren't many cases throughout the league

846
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 4: where it works like I mean, hell, Chris Boward had

847
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 4: one of those with Chuck Bugano in that first year.

848
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 4: I was like, wait, why is Chuck I mean lame

849
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 4: duck head coach. There's no chance he's going to survive this.

850
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 4: And obviously me Andrew luck situation didn't help you win

851
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 4: four wins. They win four games in twenty seventeen, and

852
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 4: Frank Reik is I guess first as Josh McDaniels and

853
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 4: knows Frank Craik after that. So you know how Carly

854
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 4: views that. I do think because if you just evaluated

855
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 4: them individually, the nine years of Chris Boward, to me

856
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 4: is much more of an ugly resume than the three

857
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 4: years of Stychen. Now that sichens is some ringing endorsement,

858
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 4: but I think you could talk yourself into a little

859
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 4: bit more intrigue with Shane Siken deserving a fourth year

860
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 4: than I can Chris Boud deserving a ten.

861
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: It's wild to say Chris Boward might get a tenth year.

862
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 4: When I say that out loud.

863
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 9: Is it even Wilder knowing that the last playoff victory

864
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 9: was in twenty eighteen.

865
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: I haven't memorized down to.

866
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 4: Basically a slogan almost because I write this line over

867
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 4: and over again in my stories.

868
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 9: Zero AFC titles. Well, no, I always do it like this.

869
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 9: It's like you have two playoff appearents is one playoff

870
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 9: win zero AFC title. It's always in descending order. That's

871
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 9: your teamure, It's funny one zero.

872
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this yesterday in the press box,

873
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 4: actually looked it up. Tomorrow will be the one year

874
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 4: anniversary where I wrote that Ballard and Gus Bradley should go.

875
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: And I went back and like looked at that article

876
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 4: and I'm like, all I need to do is just

877
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 4: like update the record because all of it is still

878
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 4: the same.

879
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: Yep, the two, the one in the zero. Yeah.

880
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 4: Some of the numbers that I find just wild. It's

881
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 4: so if you go to the division titles again, Sunday

882
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 4: will be the eleven year anniversary of your last home

883
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 4: playoff game. I believe it's twenty five teams have hosted

884
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 4: a home playoff games since you last have you go

885
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 4: to twenty eighteen, that's your last playoff win. I believe

886
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 4: it's twenty two teams have won a playoff game since

887
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 4: you last have. And then if you go to playoff appearances,

888
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 4: and this could change. Remember with Carolina if they win

889
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 4: on Saturday, twenty nine teams have been in the playoffs

890
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 4: since you last have. Like those numbers, I mean, if

891
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 4: you look at that and think to yourself that person

892
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 4: might get a tenth year.

893
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: It's astonishing. I mean it is wild.

894
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: And yet I sit here on this Monday morning and think, boy,

895
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 4: they might just repurpose the same letter that they did

896
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 4: last year after the Week eighteen game, and I guess

897
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 4: just have Carl Arsay Gordon sign it and maybe change

898
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: a few words in there and boom, there you go.

899
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: It's like, are you doing a project at Illinois back

900
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: in the day.

901
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 9: Hey, I got through baby, graduated with honors. But I

902
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 9: will say this.

903
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: It seems like how the cultu are treating I think.

904
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 9: Being a gym a little bit harder than you know,

905
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 9: making sure you get through a Sea's good Degrees class.

906
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 4: Who starts sweek eighteen for the Colts hit on that

907
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 4: coming up eight o'clock hour.

908
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: We'll take some calls as well.

909
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: Three one, seven, two three, nine, ten seventy for to

910
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 4: join the conversation. Text line is open as well. Three

911
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 4: one seven two three nine ten seventy. Good Monday morning.

912
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 4: If you haven't been out there, it is crispy that

913
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 4: whatever balmy weather we had yesterday is long gone. It's

914
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 4: windy and it's chilly. But thanks for starting your week

915
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: with us right here. It's a fan morning show. I'm

916
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 4: used to saying colts watching the playoffs. That will once

917
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: again be the case for a fifth straight year. I'm

918
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: not used to saying it's freakin Rose Bowl week for

919
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 4: the Indiana Hoosiers, but that is where we are at

920
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 4: in this year. Closing out the year of twenty twenty five.

921
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 4: Coming up Thursday, four o'clock, the Indiana Hoosiers and the

922
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: Alabama Crimson Tide, a touchdown favorite. We'll see how Mother

923
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 4: Nature shows her head coming up on Thursday, because right now,

924
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 4: oh boy, it doesn't look too great out there in Pasadena.

925
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 4: But save travels, everybody making the trek out west. The

926
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: colt will have one more trip down to Houston. It

927
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: will officially be one o'clock on Sunday. James Boyd, the

928
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 4: starting quarterback, will be hooped.

929
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 9: It should be Riley Leonard, the rookie sixth round pick

930
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 9: who has yet to start in the NFL game and

931
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 9: really has only had extended minutes in that one game

932
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 9: against the Jaguar, showed a little promise there. I thought

933
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 9: one rushing touchdown, probably had a touchdown that was called

934
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 9: back interception. That could have gone either way, honestly, So

935
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 9: I'm looking forward to seeing the young guy get some

936
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 9: go against well will be a very stout defense in Houston,

937
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 9: and a Houston squad is also still playing for a

938
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 9: chance to win the AFC South.

939
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 4: Caleb, but it's good and play that. This is Shane

940
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 4: Styke in post game yesterday. It definitely shares his thoughts

941
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 4: on Philip Rivers. I felt like there are a couple

942
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: of moments where you kind of heard Shane stike in

943
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 4: indirectly admit that this was the last one from Philip Rivers,

944
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 4: at least he was thinking that. But you know, he

945
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 4: mentioned an official decisional come later this week.

946
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 6: Pretty good, you know, obviously five years out and coming

947
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 6: out and battle and obviously very appreciative of that. I

948
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 6: know our players are in that locker room, the coaches

949
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 6: him coming out one last time and fighting like crazy.

950
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: You know, it was impressive to.

951
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 6: See and him being in the locker room with the guys,

952
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 6: his fightus character, his passion for the game, you know,

953
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 6: inspirational to a lot of people, not just our players,

954
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 6: but you know people around the world watching football. It's

955
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 6: pretty cool.

956
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: Well, you just signed next week.

957
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 6: I'll figure that out Tuesday, you.

958
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: Know, I'll go hat to to Philip Rivers a little

959
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: dery g direction.

960
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly, I think the story it's inspirational. It's movie

961
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 4: like all of it. I mean, he's and honestly, he's

962
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 4: the perfect character for someone doing this, Like he's such

963
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 4: a unique individual and how he's wired, how he approaches

964
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 4: the game of football, how he plays the game.

965
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: Of football, all of it.

966
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: It's a really really cool story. But I don't need

967
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 4: to see it on Sunday, I don't, you know. To me,

968
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 4: it's and I think you do have to be a

969
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 4: little cognizant of what twenty twenty six, the month of

970
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 4: September could be. You know, I think the Colts think

971
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones could be ready for week one, but still

972
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 4: if he's not, for whatever reason, I mean, that would

973
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 4: still be a pretty quick timetable. I mean, what would

974
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 4: that be nine months remove from tearing the achilles. Let's

975
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 4: say you need insert quarterback here for the first few

976
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 4: weeks of the season. I would think that Riley Leonard

977
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 4: at least getting his feet wet, and boy, you talk

978
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 4: about jumping in the deep end. Based on that Houston

979
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 4: Texans defense who's still playing for a chance to win

980
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 4: the AFC sou title, I do think that could benefit him.

981
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 4: And I guess, just to clear everything up on Anthony Richardson,

982
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 4: I am assuming the vision impairment for Richardson is still

983
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 4: troublesome enough where you don't feel comfortable putting him out

984
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 4: there in a game setting. He has practice each the

985
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 4: last two weeks, but that is my assumption to.

986
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: This point, Kevin.

987
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 9: He has also been limited in every single practice since

988
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 9: coming back from the injury in a practice setting. I

989
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 9: say coming back because he hasn't fully come back to

990
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 9: a game. And I want to throw this out there.

991
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 9: We have had this conversation about Ry Leonard in the

992
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 9: future and would he be a viable option to perhaps

993
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 9: start the season if Daniel Jones is signed and not

994
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 9: ready to go because of the achilles. But then I

995
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 9: hear some birdies in my ear, like, wait a second,

996
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 9: Anthy richards his donor contract, So how do you think

997
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 9: he fits into this equation moving forward beyond just next

998
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 9: week but next season?

999
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to throw this in, James. Are we

1000
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 4: under the impression everybody's back? Let's assume that everyone is

1001
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 4: back for this argument, for this conversation.

1002
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: So I guess a bit weirdly.

1003
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say this about many guys in the roster,

1004
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 4: but I think the return of everybody would be bad

1005
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 4: for Anthony Richardson.

1006
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: I think is bad as large as already made here

1007
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: in Indy. And I mean that probably specifically with Shane Stikeen,

1008
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: and that I think he is probably done with him.

1009
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 4: And again, the Richardson camp might view this too, of like, guys,

1010
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: this is going nowhere. Can we just shake hands and

1011
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 4: move on? This is not I get that he's under

1012
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: contract for one more year. I get that he's only

1013
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 4: what twenty three years old or however old he is.

1014
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 4: I understand all that, but he just doesn't seem like

1015
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 4: this is a very healthy marriage at all.

1016
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: Let's shake hands.

1017
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 4: We still, you know, we'll say hi to each other

1018
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 4: at our kids' basketball games, but let's just move on.

1019
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 4: You know, I I kind of feel that is where

1020
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 4: we're trending with it now. If you flip the table

1021
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 4: upside down, you might all of a sudden have a

1022
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 4: new regime that comes in here and says, guys, I

1023
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 4: don't give two bleeps about day three. Riley Leonard at

1024
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 4: pick one, Anthony Ridginson cylinder contract for twenty twenty six.

1025
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: Sure I got no picks. Why not roll with ice?

1026
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 5: You know?

1027
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: Who care?

1028
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: Like, maybe all of a sudden a new voice, because

1029
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 4: again that's been the weird thing with the Richardson tenured.

1030
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: All the voices have been the same.

1031
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 4: Zoe Si his quarterbacks coach, his head coach, obviously his

1032
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: play caller, like, all his voices have been the same.

1033
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 4: You know a lot of times with these young quarterbacks, James,

1034
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 4: you see voices change Bryce Young for example, It's changed

1035
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 4: in Carolina. Now, all of a sudden, they could be

1036
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. Certainly Caleb Williams would be maybe the

1037
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 4: poster child of it. Now, not all of it works

1038
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 4: in that way, but I do think if you all

1039
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 4: of a sudden made changes, then that door might be

1040
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 4: cracked a little bit more. But I would say, if

1041
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 4: you are team run it back in twenty twenty six.

1042
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 4: I don't think that would be very advantageous to those

1043
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 4: wanting to see Richardson for I guess, just point blank to.

1044
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: Put on a Colt's uniform again.

1045
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 4: I mean, my guess is Riley Leonard starting, it's Philip

1046
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 4: Rivers at the backup on Sunday.

1047
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 1: Technically they did. Brett Rippin is gone.

1048
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 4: For those that have been keep track of the quarterback

1049
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 4: depth chart, he's now in Minnesota was claimed by them,

1050
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 4: So technically they only have three quarterbacks in the building.

1051
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 4: You know, practice squad, active roster, so you know you

1052
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 4: need two of those three to go out there. There's

1053
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 4: no chance that Kevin, get your arm ready, There's no

1054
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 4: chance we see Rivers, right, No, there should be a

1055
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 4: zero percent chance we see him.

1056
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 9: But I guess the only way you would see him again, unfortunately,

1057
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 9: is if Riley got.

1058
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 4: Hurt, which we can Unfortunately has been a part of

1059
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 4: his career, and obviously he got banged up in the

1060
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 4: one game action he got here in Jacksonville.

1061
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 9: So it's something to certainly keep in mind. But I'm

1062
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 9: very curious to see how things kind of play out

1063
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 9: this week when it comes to the practice participation of

1064
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 9: Anthony Richardson. If they just go out and say on Wednesday,

1065
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 9: because time we'll talk to Shane and we'll probably hear

1066
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 9: something before then. Is Roley your starter? Does he get

1067
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 9: all the first team reps? And you kind of just

1068
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 9: flip it like that for the season finale because for

1069
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 9: those who kept asking, and I get it, it's kind

1070
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 9: of nuanced if you're not, you know, working these NFL

1071
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 9: spaces like we are. But the reason why Philip Rivers

1072
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 9: started yesterday in a meaningless game was because it wasn't meaningless.

1073
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 9: As they prepared for the game, he took all the

1074
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 9: first team reps. And as you know, Kevin and I

1075
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 9: do agree with this thinking from the Colts. You don't

1076
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 9: you do not want to throw Riley in there, no

1077
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 9: first team reps at all, hasn't prepared and say have

1078
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 9: at it. I do think you would be putting him

1079
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 9: at more risk and more danger than giving him an

1080
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 9: opportunity like some people might view It's it's a little

1081
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 9: bit different.

1082
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: This is in basketball. You probably want to give him

1083
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 1: those three days. Super Yeah.

1084
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 4: I have little to no issue James of them operating

1085
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 4: the man that they did last week.

1086
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean you found out.

1087
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 4: I think some people just don't understand how that NFL

1088
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 4: schedule kind of works. Like you you're leading up to

1089
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 4: a game Wednesday, you know is install, you know Thursday,

1090
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 4: going over things like that's a it's huge to get

1091
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 4: those reps, and when you don't get that, there's also

1092
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 4: huge in the reverse. So it's not as simple as

1093
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 4: playing a game of mad Dan sand I'll just change

1094
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 4: my starter three on sevent two three nine ten seventy

1095
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: point and join the conversation phone line or text line

1096
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 4: with that shout out to Ashton Doolan.

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Speaker 1: I just I did not think that.

1098
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 4: All of a sudden on this Monday show, i'd be

1099
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 4: talking a little bit more about the return of Ashton

1100
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 4: Doula than Sauce Gardner with both of them back in

1101
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: the lineup. But that dude just continually makes quality football

1102
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 4: plays when he's asked to do something, and typically it's

1103
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 4: special teams related And I know that's boring and it

1104
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 4: might be a little nerdy, But James without Doling, I

1105
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 4: don't know if you even get the seventeen points.

1106
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: Yesterday, he has the bigger return to start the game.

1107
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 4: That's a good point and you get three off of that,

1108
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 4: and then you have the other big return. I don't

1109
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 4: I think that one set up maybe the other field goal,

1110
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 4: or maybe it was the touchdown drive. Nonetheless, of your

1111
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 4: three scoring drives, Ashton Doolan gave you the ball on

1112
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 4: the right side of the fifty both times. And again

1113
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 4: as a punt gunner, he makes some big plays and

1114
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 4: you know, for a game that was one possession for

1115
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 4: so long, I mean, Dulan was looking like one of

1116
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 4: the players of the game for you as that thing

1117
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 4: played out yesterday.

1118
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: So again there it'll quickly.

1119
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 4: Get lost in the shuffle, and totally understandably so, but

1120
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 4: I wanted to make sure that we mentioned Doolan because

1121
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 4: just seems to do so many right right things for

1122
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 4: this football team, even if it doesn't pop up necessarily

1123
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 4: onto massive headlines.

1124
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: He's just a dude.

1125
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 9: And we were talking about this, what things you could

1126
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 9: probably count on your hand, what things Ashton Doling can't

1127
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 9: do on a football field.

1128
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: Quicker than the things he can do.

1129
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 4: Like if you told me he was lining up to

1130
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 4: play safety, I'd probably be like, all right.

1131
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: Did any play defense this year? Oh? He actually did,

1132
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah he actually had a blitz.

1133
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 8: Yeah he did he I remember that now good against

1134
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 8: Arizona back in Week six.

1135
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 9: That's the bizarre we had Ashton Doolan blitzing and two

1136
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 9: guys going ir before the game. Sorry, crazy week.

1137
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 4: Like if the Cultu were a baseball team, Ashton Doolan

1138
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 4: would be the dude that plays nine positions in a blowout.

1139
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 4: You know, I'm pretty sure I want to ask him this.

1140
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 9: Well, actually I probably should honestly, because it might be

1141
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 9: a little disrespectful. He wasn't a highly recruited guy, but

1142
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 9: if he had been, he would be what we list

1143
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 9: on like, what is it, Max Preps in twenty four

1144
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 9: to seven sports athlete? You recruited position athlete ath baby,

1145
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 9: that's what he is.

1146
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 4: Eight and two start for the Colts. Since two thousand,

1147
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 4: you've had ninety six teams start eight and two. The

1148
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 4: Colts are the first team to have not made the

1149
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 4: playoffs after starting eight and two.

1150
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: And I said it earlier in the show.

1151
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 4: I think it's something that can't get lost in the

1152
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 4: evaluation of Chris Boward. In particular, Ballard's resume has the opportunity,

1153
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 4: or has had the opportunity, I should say, to benefit

1154
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 4: from the NFL expanding their playoffs when you get into

1155
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 4: this historical data. One thing about the NFL that I

1156
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 4: think helps it out in just kind of comparing you

1157
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 4: know eras is for the most part, we've had a

1158
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 4: very consistent playoff format. You know, in nineteen ninety I

1159
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 4: think it is is when it changed. But you know,

1160
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 4: for the most part you've had the six teams you know,

1161
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 4: from each conference, and you know, the top two teams

1162
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 4: would get the buy. Well, in the COVID year two thousand,

1163
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,959
Speaker 4: the league decided to expand it by one playoff team.

1164
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 4: So now we have seven from each conference get in,

1165
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 4: so seven of sixteen and we only have one buy now.

1166
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 4: And so now you look at the Colts and in

1167
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 4: this current era of a five year playoff.

1168
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: Drought streak, that is with a seventh and additional playoff team.

1169
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 4: And if you want to get technical, of the two

1170
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 4: playoff appearances the Colts have had, one of them is

1171
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 4: due to the seventh spot that twenty twenty season, that

1172
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 4: COVID season, they were the last team to make it.

1173
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 4: So to me, that I think is another you know,

1174
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: kind of damning con if you will on the ballad

1175
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 4: resume when you start to compare it historically to other gms,

1176
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 4: all of them were fighting or a lot of them.

1177
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: I should say, we're fighting for the sixth playoff spots.

1178
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 4: Ballard has benefited from the seventh playoff spot, but yet

1179
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 4: hasn't been able to take advantage of it.

1180
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 8: Can I throw something in here because I heard you

1181
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 8: guys bring up that fact in the first segment of

1182
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 8: the show today that this is the first team since

1183
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety five the Raiders to go eight and two

1184
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 8: and missed.

1185
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: Playoffs, and I was like, I'm just interested.

1186
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 8: So I looked up about how that season went for

1187
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 8: the Raiders, and I'm drawing two similarities here.

1188
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: So Jeff Hostetler was their QB.

1189
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 8: He injured his shoulder earlier in the season, missed a

1190
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 8: game or two I think, and then reaggravated it when

1191
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,959
Speaker 8: they were eight and two playing the Cowboys and missed

1192
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 8: the rest of the season. So I think that's a

1193
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 8: recipe for a collapse. When we saw that with Daniel

1194
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 8: Jones kind of you know, had an injury and then

1195
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 8: it kind of made speculating allegedly maybe that's how he

1196
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 8: tore his achilles is kind of the overworking of his

1197
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 8: other leg and then the second thing would be that

1198
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 8: the Raiders last six games were all against teams above

1199
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 8: five hundred, and I think you saw that with the

1200
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 8: Colts this year. This schedule got tougher, the teams got better,

1201
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 8: yet loaded in the back end, and they weren't able

1202
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 8: to come through.

1203
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know. I think those are very relevant points.

1204
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 4: I mean, it was definitely a backloaded schedule to Caleb.

1205
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 4: I mean, we will probably look at it, and you

1206
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 4: know the first half of the schedule. I mean, while

1207
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 4: you did have Denver, you does the Rams. You know,

1208
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 4: you did have the Chargers, a lot of teams drafted

1209
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 4: in the top ten, whereas what since Kansas City, every

1210
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 4: team's been a playoff team. I think I don't know

1211
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 4: if that's exactly how it'll play out when it's all

1212
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 4: said and done, but you know, you had passed the

1213
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 4: test up until that point. But you know, I think

1214
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 4: we try to mention throughout in the NFL. I mean,

1215
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 4: a seventeen week grind is a grind. I mean it

1216
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 4: is a long, long season, and I mean, look at Houston.

1217
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 4: They lost their first three games, and right now there's

1218
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 4: some people that probably think Houston could get on a

1219
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 4: run in the ANFC with that defense, and they could

1220
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 4: be having a home game in Round one of things

1221
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 4: break their way. Coming up on some of the Jaguars

1222
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 4: were supposed to be a cute story. They're like legitimately good. Now, well,

1223
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 4: and they've flipped it too. They were turning the ball over,

1224
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 4: forcing turnovers that is at a stupid historic rate early

1225
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 4: in the season, which is why I thought they were regressed.

1226
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: I thought that was a fluke.

1227
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 4: And now Trevor Lawrence has taken his game to another level.

1228
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: The Jacobe Meyers trade has been great for them. Their

1229
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 4: defense still, you know, makes enough plays. Travis Etna, I think,

1230
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 4: has had a really solid year, and they've patchworked that

1231
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 4: offensive line.

1232
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: I think the Colts, you know.

1233
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 4: Yesterday that was actually some Colts pass rush we hadn't

1234
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 4: seen in a while.

1235
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: Now. It really didn't show up in the second half,

1236
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: but in that.

1237
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 4: First half you you took advantage of a banged up

1238
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 4: Jacksonville front.

1239
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: There.

1240
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 4: I thought you had some really nice moments in that

1241
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 4: game that kind of helped you out. But I mean, boy,

1242
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 4: Jacksonville was just clearly the better team. I mean, did

1243
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 4: it end up being double the yardage amount James did Jacksonville.

1244
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: In the package to check myself. Actually, it was.

1245
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 4: Pretty close throughout the game. Jacksonville I think was like

1246
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 4: three eighty three ninety and the Colts were hovering right

1247
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 4: around two hundred.

1248
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 9: Because didn't they have like two turnovers in the red zone.

1249
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 9: I know they were close on that first possession.

1250
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 4: They had two turnovers in the red zone, and they

1251
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 4: also had the QB sneak that got stuffed therefore, so

1252
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 4: they had three turnovers in scoring position.

1253
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell they're think about the

1254
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: hooking ladder.

1255
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 8: That I was hoping that we would talk about that,

1256
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 8: because they're the Colts.

1257
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: Defense is chopped cheese. On that first drive, it was like.

1258
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 4: It was like some season ticket member got to call

1259
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:47,479
Speaker 4: play on the opening drive.

1260
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: It's like Liam Cohen bro like, we get it. You're

1261
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: a good offensive mind. You don't need to show off.

1262
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 4: Like Sean Khan had a big gallon in the offseason

1263
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 4: and some fan donated, you know, thousands of dollars to

1264
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 4: call play.

1265
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: In the Indianapolis game on the opening drive.

1266
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I mean, I guess Travisdtn could have

1267
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 4: just caught it and everything would have been fine. But

1268
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 4: still it was like the most unnecessary trick play of

1269
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 4: all time.

1270
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: We'll see about Philip Rivers and exactly what his status.

1271
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 4: Would be coming up week eighteen. It was an emotional

1272
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 4: Uncle Phil post game. We'll play that audio up coming

1273
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 4: in a few but go ahead, Caleb Zuber. Let's check

1274
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 4: it out. All right, Let's start around the NFL in

1275
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 4: Week seventeen. We don't have a lot to play for

1276
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 4: as we kind of shift gears here coming up to

1277
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 4: the final weekend of the year, but we do know

1278
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 4: the Saturday slate. The first game coming up at four

1279
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 4: thirty this Saturday, you'll have the NFC South Championship, if

1280
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 4: you will, It'll either be Carolina or Tampa. The winner

1281
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 4: for that, we'll get a home game and we'll host

1282
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 4: somebody out of the NFC West. The nightcap on Saturday

1283
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 4: will be the NFC West title game, and that is

1284
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 4: the one seed. Either gonna be the forty nine Ers

1285
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 4: or the Seahawks for the one seed out West. Our

1286
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 4: final game of the twenty twenty five calendar game two

1287
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 4: seventy two Steelers and Ravens And Caleb Zuber, you thought

1288
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 4: the Steelers of the most unseerious team in.

1289
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: The NFL this past weekend.

1290
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 8: It's an indictment on Rogers Tomlin, a great organization that

1291
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 8: has been steady for years. But you're more worried about

1292
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 8: Miles Garrett getting a sack record than clinching the division.

1293
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, that was some horrible offense I was watching.

1294
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 1: How about Derrick Henry? Is he good at football? Oh?

1295
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 4: My analysis?

1296
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: Some of those stiff arms are just so disrespectful, I know.

1297
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 9: Also show to Miles McLoughlin. I saw he got honored

1298
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 9: at the Colts game yesterday.

1299
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: Had me thinking.

1300
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 9: About how close he was to knocking off Derrek Henry

1301
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 9: for the career high school rushing record.

1302
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 4: But nevertheless, it's still a great career for that young man.

1303
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 4: Would you rather watch Miles McLoughlin play quarterback Week eighteen

1304
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 4: or Raley Leondard? Ooh boy? I will probably still rolls Riley.

1305
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 9: I love Myles, but I don't know if you can

1306
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 9: run the wing t against Houston then again.

1307
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Speaker 4: Week eighteen schedule announced late last night, officially one o'clock

1308
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 4: on Sunday. Ten point underdog the Colts facing the Texans

1309
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 4: against Houston still has a chance at the AFC South.

1310
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 4: They will need Jacksonville, though to lose to Tennessee. In

1311
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 4: order to have that opportunity, course, Houston, we need to win.

1312
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: As well, all right, tonight Pacers back in action. It

1313
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: is eight straight losses.

1314
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 4: Weirdly, they are starting to though, get a little bit healthier.

1315
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 4: Aaron Ne Smith made his return to the lineup after

1316
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 4: missing a month and a half over the weekend. But

1317
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 4: typical Pacers this season, they seemingly have great, great stretches

1318
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 4: and then get absolutely torched for a quarter or so.

1319
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 4: And that is the difference we saw that I would

1320
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 4: say in both games this weekend, Houston tonight they are

1321
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 4: a big underdog down there against the Rockets. Is Shingoon

1322
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 4: still just getting buckets like no other on?

1323
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: Dudes? That guy is so skilled.

1324
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 9: I think he was out the last couple of games,

1325
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 9: so maybe that'll benefit the Pacers if he's not available tonight.

1326
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 9: But at the same time, yes, he is still very

1327
01:02:59,480 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 9: good at basket.

1328
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 4: Pacers got a lot of injuries at center though, that's

1329
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 4: the one area where they are banged up right now.

1330
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 4: Jay Huff questionable for tonight's What else do we got?

1331
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 4: Purdue back in action? Matt Painters bunch on the hardwood

1332
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 4: here tonight. It's their final non conference game Kent State.

1333
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 4: I think I saw my guy Steph Kendrick on the

1334
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 4: on the color call for that one big ten plus

1335
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 4: for Purdue fans out there as college basketball gets back underway.

1336
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 4: Butler at Creighton coming up tomorrow night, and it is

1337
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 4: Rosebull week than Indianna Hoosiers taking on the Crimson Tide

1338
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 4: of Alabama that spread right around a touchdown favorite for

1339
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 4: Kurt Signette's bunch. That number surprise you about what you

1340
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 4: would expect.

1341
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 9: I think that was about what I would expect. And

1342
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 9: I mean, I know it's early, but picking eye you to.

1343
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 4: Cover ninety eight percent chance of rain?

1344
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: If I'm seeing this weather for, what's.

1345
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 8: The difference between ninety eight percent and ninety seven percent?

1346
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 8: Like just say one hundred at that point? This is like,

1347
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 8: I mean nine stick on the tens here, ninety eighty seventy.

1348
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: We don't need ninety eight.

1349
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 4: This is like when I was in grade school and

1350
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 4: I was trying to get the teacher a round of it.

1351
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: There was ween like eighty nine point eight night. Let

1352
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: me tell that to the Colts playoff chances, right, Oh yeah?

1353
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 4: This year, I was like, can you round up zero percent.

1354
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: Shots of Brownsburg High School.

1355
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 4: I saw they're going to be in the Tournament of

1356
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 4: Roses Parade on New Year's Day, so I believe Mike

1357
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 4: Wells button Twirler coach there for the Brownsburg Bulldogs.

1358
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 9: I was about to say, we can't be playing any

1359
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 9: Mike Wells audio around the band will be not appropriate

1360
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 9: for school airwink.

1361
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 4: No, we'll say that for Mark Dyson when he makes

1362
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 4: us return coming up next a weekend. All right. On

1363
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 4: the other side, much more on the Colts in the

1364
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,479
Speaker 4: big picture reaction to what happened yesterday. A fifth straight

1365
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 4: year of missing the playoffs eight straight years, got a

1366
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 4: playoff win and eleven without a home playoff game.

1367
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: Kevin Bell and James Boyd Caleb Zuber on a Monday

1368
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: I think, you know, credit to them.

1369
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 6: I think they did some good things, but I think overall,

1370
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 6: we just got to keep some momentum going offensively and

1371
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 6: moving the football. I'm still out a few drives there,

1372
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 6: so obviously offensively got to do some better things to

1373
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 6: keep that, you know, the points going.

1374
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 4: It is a two to nine record for Shane Stike

1375
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 4: and football teams against the Texans and the Jags in

1376
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 4: these three seasons as head coach. I think that maybe

1377
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 4: is the biggest reason why enough would be enough for

1378
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 4: three years as head coach for Shane. I don't get

1379
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 4: the impression that he thinks he's on any sort of

1380
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 4: hot seat, but that stat, I mean, that is just

1381
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 4: Oh boy, is that ugly two and nine against Houston

1382
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 4: and Jacksonville and James. One of those wins, the meaningless

1383
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 4: overtime win with Mac Jones at quarterback for the Jags

1384
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 4: last season.

1385
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: That's a season finale, season finale.

1386
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, we put it like that. Yeah, not good. And

1387
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 9: I will say this, you're also from a big pictures standpoint.

1388
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 9: Those are your last two division winners over the last

1389
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 9: what is I think three years. I don't know the

1390
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 9: last time that Tennessee won the division.

1391
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: But Houston's won it. I think they're going for the trifecta.

1392
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 4: One to two right now controls it if they win exactly.

1393
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 9: But to your point, you would have had a chance

1394
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 9: to win the division had you probably won a few

1395
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 9: of those games. I mean, you had it on a

1396
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 9: platter there in your first season. Now granted that was

1397
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 9: with Gardner Minshew in a backup quarterback. I get all

1398
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 9: that but over this extended period of time, to play

1399
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 9: that poorly against your division rivals, biggest games of the

1400
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 9: year annually, that's pretty damning.

1401
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think being eliminated prior to Week eighteen

1402
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 4: now for two straight years is also making the taste

1403
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 4: even more sour, Like you're not getting even to week

1404
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 4: eighteen with a chance. And that's with you know, as

1405
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 4: we've talked about all morning long, you got seven of

1406
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 4: the sixteen teams in the AFC NFC of course getting in.

1407
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 4: I mean that's I mean, that's nearly half the conference

1408
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 4: and you're not even getting to the final week of

1409
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 4: the season with a chance.

1410
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: Obviously you did the first year. Yeah, it came down

1411
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: to that game with Houston. The last year.

1412
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 4: You know, this time last year we were talking about

1413
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 4: the ugly ass kicking in New York to Drew Lack

1414
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 4: a good lord, and now we're talking about the six

1415
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 4: game losing streak and a historical collapse.

1416
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 9: We'll I have a question for you and Caleb, and

1417
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 9: this is a question that I have stolen from our

1418
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 9: buddy Stephen Holder of ESPN. He was asking the players

1419
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 9: after the game, how would you define this season? Are

1420
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 9: you a good team? That was decimated by injuries, or

1421
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 9: were you not a good team because you couldn't overcome

1422
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 9: some of those obstacles, including injuries.

1423
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 8: I think there's too many close games that they lost

1424
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 8: to sit here and say that they were a good team.

1425
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: Now.

1426
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 8: I think the talk was through the first eight weeks,

1427
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 8: it was that, hey, good teams blow out the ones

1428
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 8: they're supposed to and that is a characteristic of a

1429
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 8: good team, and they were doing that, deserved some credit

1430
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 8: for that, but all the other characteristics were missing, maybe

1431
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 8: not all, but a lot of them. And so at

1432
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 8: the end of the day, when you look at the

1433
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 8: whole picture, no, they were not good enough. And there

1434
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 8: was too many close games, even after the Daniel Jones injury,

1435
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 8: where you're just like, they didn't do enough down the stretch.

1436
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't call anyone a good team that loses

1437
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 4: six stra eight and seven of eight.

1438
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: No, I mean, you go around the league, James.

1439
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 4: I know there's not a lot of these teams to

1440
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 4: fall in the category, but there are several teams that

1441
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 4: have gotten deep on the quarterback depth chart this year

1442
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 4: and have won a football game. You know, we keep

1443
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 4: on bringing up Cleveland yesterday and their situation. I mean

1444
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 4: they beat it that I was competing for a playoff spot.

1445
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 4: You know when you look at you know team in

1446
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 4: the Detroit Lions were still hanging in there, and Minnesota

1447
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 4: found a way to beat them over the weekend.

1448
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: Not not the prettiest looking thing. But when adversity.

1449
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 4: Hits, are you able to find other ways? Two scrap claw,

1450
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 4: scratch fight? How everyone to look at it for a win?

1451
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 4: So you know, obviously injuries hurt them. I'm not thinking

1452
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 4: to ignore that or just sweep it under the rug.

1453
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 4: But part of the seventeen week grind is being able

1454
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 4: to at some point overcoming and look, they only needed

1455
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 4: to overcome it what once?

1456
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:37,879
Speaker 1: Maybe?

1457
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 4: I mean if you win the right game, if you

1458
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 4: would have beaten Houston, for example, at home whatever a

1459
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 4: month ago before you know, really all the injuries started

1460
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 4: to impact you. You know, that was still what pre

1461
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 4: achilles for Daniel Jones. We could be talking about a

1462
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 4: different conversation here, So that's where would go again. I

1463
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 4: don't think you know, when we ranked the nine seasons

1464
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 4: of Chris Ballard James, is this gonna be number one

1465
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 4: on the egregious scale. No, I think that's a ludicrous

1466
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 4: thought to say that, but in a bottom line business,

1467
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 4: the resume is the resume, and we've pointed it out

1468
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 4: now throughout the first ninety minutes of the show, and

1469
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 4: we will continue to do so. Sadly, unfortunately, it's the

1470
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 4: definition of ugl y.

1471
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:29,959
Speaker 1: You ain't got no alibi.

1472
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 4: I was hoping some more time then, thank you, Kry.

1473
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 4: How common do you think it is for a head

1474
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 4: coach to get a fourth year with no playoff appearances?

1475
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 9: We talk a lot about ballot. I think I'm actually

1476
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 9: not sure. Is there way I can look this up?

1477
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 9: I mean I can mainly do it, I would suppose,

1478
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 9: but we.

1479
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: Talk a lot about ballad.

1480
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 4: I guess just to start off, and I don't know

1481
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,560
Speaker 4: if there's frankly anyone out there James that thinks he

1482
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 4: should get a tenth year. I don't know if you

1483
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 4: feel like Chris bal should get a tenth year three one, seven, nine, seventy.

1484
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 4: But the Shane steik and fourth year is a little

1485
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 4: bit more. I think of a debate.

1486
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: Within the fan base.

1487
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 4: So how much do you view twenty five and twenty

1488
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 4: five as a record, the quarterback situation being how it's

1489
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 4: been the record against Houston and Jacksonville being what it's

1490
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 4: been and missing the playoffs three straight years.

1491
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 9: And I would even say when we talk about Shane,

1492
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 9: and granted I don't know what all it entails to

1493
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 9: be a head coach, but are you confident that he

1494
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 9: can be a head coach and be a good head coach?

1495
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 9: Because I don't doubt that he is a good offensive mind,

1496
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 9: at least personally. There's been time I will set agree

1497
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 9: with up. There's times where I'm like, all right, brother,

1498
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 9: run the ball.

1499
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 8: You know.

1500
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 9: I think that happens from time to time with him.

1501
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 9: The clock management might not be his best friend in

1502
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,520
Speaker 9: some instances, but I think overall.

1503
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 4: That was a rough end of the first half yesterday. Yeah,

1504
01:11:58,760 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 4: I may bail them out.

1505
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 9: Was but you can make an argument that he is

1506
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 9: a good offensive mind and he's kind of made something

1507
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 9: out of not nothing but.

1508
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: Not good ingredients.

1509
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 9: When it comes to the quarterback position always being banged up,

1510
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 9: some of the offensive injuries he had throughout the last

1511
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 9: couple of years to keep players, I get all that,

1512
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 9: but also from a front facing standpoint, does.

1513
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: He meet the moment enough? And I don't I'm not.

1514
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 4: I'm not so sure about that part of it. Yeah,

1515
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,919
Speaker 4: this is where I get back into like the individual grades.

1516
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 4: Like if I were assessing letter grades, and I'm just

1517
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 4: saying this off the top of my head, James, if

1518
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 4: I were assessing letter grades to you know, Chris Ballard's

1519
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 4: tenure and change Pikin's tenure, the Ballot tenure would be

1520
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 4: like a D minus and the Stiching tenure would be.

1521
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: I, I don't know, C minus.

1522
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I don't think it's as damning. But also

1523
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 4: you know, it comes back to the old debate of

1524
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 4: do you tie those two at the hip and how

1525
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 4: or is it if you don't tie them at the hip?

1526
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1527
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 4: I do think offensively, there's a lot to like about

1528
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 4: what he brings to the table, but unfortunately the big

1529
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 4: picture as the head coach, and I think times that

1530
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,440
Speaker 4: just gets lost with him and the evaluation.

1531
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: And look, you can point to a lot of coaches around.

1532
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 4: The league that do both and wear those hats very well.

1533
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 4: I mean, I think if you looked at the playoff picture, James,

1534
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 4: you look at whenever we get there on Sunday night,

1535
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 4: and you look at the fourteen teams, it's probably split

1536
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 4: around the league of head coaches many how many of

1537
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 4: the playoff. Head coaches also call their team's offensive plays

1538
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 4: and how many of them are more the CEO. It's

1539
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 4: probably split. Yeah, And certainly at the time, giving your

1540
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 4: quarterback situation.

1541
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: You know you needed.

1542
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 4: Probably more of that offensive head coach. And you know

1543
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 4: what do you typically do? You typically kind of go

1544
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 4: a little bit more, you know, from a one to

1545
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 4: eighty standpoint there, So you know, all of a sudden,

1546
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 4: would carle Er say, Gordon view it as, hey, we

1547
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 4: need more of a CEO type in here as a

1548
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 4: head coach. You know, if you made me like say, hey,

1549
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 4: what would you do right now? I probably would fire

1550
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 4: the GM. Let the new GM evaluate Chainsyching in however

1551
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 4: manner they want to. And that could mean you walk

1552
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 4: in this building and within a week you say, hey,

1553
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 4: head coaches fired, I'm gonna tie it together.

1554
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start it over.

1555
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 4: Or you sit there and say, you know what, I

1556
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 4: think Shane has had his hand tied behind his back

1557
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 4: a little bit here from a personnel standpoint, I'm gonna

1558
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 4: try to help him out in that area. I think

1559
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 4: there's some potential here as an offensive guy. Maybe staff wise,

1560
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 4: I need to get a few more voices in there

1561
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 4: that can help him out, challenge him in some other ways,

1562
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 4: and we'll see if I can.

1563
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 1: Work with him.

1564
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 4: You know, that's kind of my general thought. Like when

1565
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 4: people ask me, what do you think the coult should do,

1566
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 4: That's probably where I'm at. I don't love the idea

1567
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,799
Speaker 4: of not tying them together, and I'm a little skeptical

1568
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 4: of my own thought, to be honest with you, but

1569
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 4: that's probably where.

1570
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: I would go.

1571
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 4: Again, I could see a lot of different ways for

1572
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 4: this team to go, a lot of nuance in that decision,

1573
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 4: but I'm probably leaning more toward George side Kevin just

1574
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 4: because I mean.

1575
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: And no Vet would be safe.

1576
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 4: I don't know if I need to say that, but

1577
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 4: nobody on this roster would be safe. I mean I

1578
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 4: look at this roster and I mean I'm talking the

1579
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 4: elite of the elites. Nobody on this roster I view

1580
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 4: is untouchable.

1581
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: And the one that.

1582
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 4: People would probably hold in that regard would be Quentin Nelson.

1583
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 4: If you told me tomorrow I could get two quality

1584
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 4: day one day two picks for Quentin Nelson, I'd probably

1585
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 4: do in a heartbeat. Are you saying that if you

1586
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 4: change GMS or are you saying that in general.

1587
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying that in general.

1588
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 4: Obviously the likelihood would be a lot different if you

1589
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,839
Speaker 4: did change GMS than if you didn't.

1590
01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 1: But this core to me, I don't think.

1591
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 4: Any I guess I'm grouping them all together, but I

1592
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 4: don't think anybody's earned the right to be again, truly untouchable.

1593
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, what is the group one?

1594
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 9: No, I agree, But my argument, and I'm not saying

1595
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 9: this is my personal belief, but the argument is, well,

1596
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 9: if you do look at twenty twenty six right now

1597
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 9: from a roster construction standpoint, how do you not run

1598
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 9: it back considering what you've invested. And I'm not saying

1599
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 9: it's the right decision, but I could see them doing

1600
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 9: it just because it's either that or if you blow

1601
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 9: up the roster you need to just get rid of everybody.

1602
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 4: Then in my opinion, See, this is where I understand

1603
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 4: where you're coming from. But this is where I push

1604
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 4: back and that trade being greenlighted during the middle of

1605
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 4: the season, because when you made the trade for sauce Gardner,

1606
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 4: to me, you obviously said a lot about your belief

1607
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 4: in sauce Gardener as a player, but you said a

1608
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 4: whole lot more in what you thought of Daniel Jones

1609
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 4: and Chris Ballard. That's what I'm saying, and so I

1610
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 4: don't necessarily view it like if I'm ballad. I'm thinking

1611
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 4: and wait a minute, if I make this trade, no

1612
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 4: matter what happens, I get to save my job for

1613
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 4: the next two to three years. Well, hell yeah, that

1614
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 4: sounds great, right, even if we have a historic collapse

1615
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 4: from here, even if we go seven to one to

1616
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 4: start in one and seven to finish, even if we've

1617
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 4: become the first team since two thousand to start eight

1618
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 4: and two it missed the playoffs, Well, of course you're

1619
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 4: gonna do that trade if it guarantees my job security.

1620
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 4: And that's where the Carly Urse Gordon element James is

1621
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 4: a little uneasy for me. And by that I mean this,

1622
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 4: when you make that trade and if she indeed, as

1623
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 4: reports indicate, green lighted it, she is saying to her organization,

1624
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones, you are an unquestioned franchise quarterback. Chris Ballard,

1625
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 4: you are our one thousand percent GM moving forward, and

1626
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 4: you're telling me seven weeks of football earned the right

1627
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 4: for Daniel Jones to be that seven weeks football earned

1628
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 4: the right for Chris Bauer to be that that makes

1629
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 4: no sense to me. It ain't gotta make sense to you.

1630
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 9: But my point is when you look at all I'm saying,

1631
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 9: isn't I agree with you from this standpoint, But all

1632
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 9: I'm saying is devil's advocate. And I hate when I

1633
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 9: use that line because I'm like, who wants to be

1634
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 9: the freaking devil? But if you make those moves, Kevin,

1635
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 9: you're saying you believe in the roster that you have

1636
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 9: and you have a chance to change your mind. But

1637
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 9: my only pushback to that is if you change your mind,

1638
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 9: then you need to be all in about doing that.

1639
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 4: I don't want to see a bunch of tinkering with

1640
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 4: the roster if.

1641
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 9: You say we are not good enough, whether you keep

1642
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 9: Chris ballad or not, whether you keep saying stacking or not,

1643
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 9: that you need to be getting getting rid of everybody,

1644
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 9: like you said, offloading players, recouping draft capital, and then

1645
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 9: you got to prepare yourself and your fan base for

1646
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 9: some ugly lean years because I think people right now

1647
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 9: don't realize, and honestly, as someone who is not from

1648
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 9: state of Indiana did not grow up as a Colts fan,

1649
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 9: you have been spoiled with the whole terrible bad experience

1650
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 9: because when you finally got bad from the pay Manning years,

1651
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 9: you were gifted Andrew luck. Now you're going through some bad,

1652
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 9: middling years. But it can get a whole lot worse,

1653
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 9: for a whole lot longer.

1654
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 4: I would argue eleven straight years without a home playoff game,

1655
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 4: eight straight years without a playoff win, in five straight years,

1656
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 4: that a playoff appearance is pretty bad.

1657
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: Oh, brother, it can get worse, And I'm saying I'm

1658
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: not saying that.

1659
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 4: I would argue it's pretty freaking bad right now. And

1660
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,719
Speaker 4: I get that the grass might look a lot browner,

1661
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 4: but yeah, pretty damn brown. I mean, it looks like

1662
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 4: Kevin Bones front yard right now.

1663
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 9: And that's fine. All I'm saying is, prepare your fan base.

1664
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 9: You're gonna be the Titans. Prepare for that.

1665
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 1: Three one.

1666
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 4: In the division of recently that the Golts. I lost

1667
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,440
Speaker 4: that argument already, Kevin.

1668
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: Bowen, James Boyd, Caleb Zuper, thanks for starting your week

1669
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: with us right here. I'm the fan any of play this.

1670
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:01,799
Speaker 1: When Ashton do and takes another kick return back.

1671
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 4: James Boyd moving and grooving here on a Monday, Rose

1672
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 4: Bowl week for IU fans, Perdue basketball back in action

1673
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 4: tonight up in Westlafiete. I think that's needed to be

1674
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 4: said here on this Monday is we talk a lot

1675
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,799
Speaker 4: about another January. On the couch for the Annapolis Colts

1676
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 4: says they can start the Caribbean vacations a bit early

1677
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 4: here with the official elimination from the playoffs on Saturday,

1678
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 4: We've talked a lot about it here on the morning

1679
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 4: Show again. Sunday one o'clock will be the season finale

1680
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 4: down there in Houston, a ten point underdog, and we'll

1681
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 4: wait confirmation on exactly what the quarterback of depth chart

1682
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 4: looks like. Just kind of get everybody up to speed

1683
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 4: on where things are at. Anthony Richardson Senior has practiced

1684
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 4: limited the last two weeks. Some vision issues questions seem

1685
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 4: to still be there for him, So putting him out

1686
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 4: there in a game setting, I think remains a hurdle.

1687
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 4: So will we get Riley Leonard as starter Philip Rivers's backup?

1688
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 4: On Sunday, Shane Styke in pretty noncommittal on that. I

1689
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 4: didn't think there were a couple of moments though even Rivers,

1690
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 4: I don't know if you watched James Rivers was on

1691
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,480
Speaker 4: the Fox pregame show before.

1692
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: The game, and even he said like a last time now.

1693
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 4: I don't know if he was referencing the home aspect

1694
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 4: to it, like playing inside of Lucashol Stadium, but it

1695
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 4: almost seemed like there are a couple of moments where

1696
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 4: Stiking and Rivers both kind of alluded to, hey man,

1697
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 4: this is probably gonna be it.

1698
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: Do you think that was some of his emotion post game?

1699
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I mean he's not.

1700
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 8: Naive.

1701
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 9: He knows full well this should this should be his

1702
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 9: last NFL start, his last NFL snap.

1703
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: And that's it.

1704
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 4: You tried.

1705
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 9: Had you won a game, perhaps you're still in the

1706
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 9: mix for a week eighteen start.

1707
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: But brother, that is the end of the road again.

1708
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 4: Postgame yesterday, Rivers with the Saint Michael crew in the

1709
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 4: building there, James Wood threw the question at him about

1710
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 4: this potentially being.

1711
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:12,759
Speaker 2: It or if of whatever the organization Shane and whoever,

1712
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 2: however that decision is gonna come to be. I'm sure

1713
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 2: I'll have some conversation. It won't just be a blind

1714
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 2: side Tuesday, you know, conversation from him, and I'm going

1715
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 2: to be on board to do what's best for the guys.

1716
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 2: I mean, if this was the last one, shoot again.

1717
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 2: I told you guys, I won't have any regrets about

1718
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 2: coming back, and I don't. It's it's other than us

1719
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 2: not winning, right, us not winning. It's been an absolute

1720
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 2: blast for three weeks. I wouldn't if I go back

1721
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 2: and say, all right, now, you know everything's gonna happen,

1722
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do?

1723
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: I do it all again.

1724
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 2: It's been absolutely awesome, and uh so, yeah, I mean,

1725
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 2: if it's the last one, it's the last one. I

1726
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 2: thought the last one was walking off the field and

1727
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 2: Buffalo walking off that tunnel, and I was fine with that,

1728
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 2: and that one, that one had tears and those few

1729
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 2: days after it, you know, and I was at peace

1730
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 2: with that being the last one. So certainly, if it is,

1731
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 2: I got three bonus games that I never saw coming

1732
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 2: and couldn't be more thankful than I got the opportunity.

1733
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 4: An emotional Philip rivers post game again in the movie.

1734
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 4: How did he not fall in love with it? I mean,

1735
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 4: it's inspirational, It's he'd be the perfect person to play

1736
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 4: his own life, frankly, and just how you know his

1737
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 4: emotion on the field. How about how nice he went

1738
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 4: after the Josh Downs catch challenge. I mean that man

1739
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 4: was going nuts after that play.

1740
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 9: With the official, and that really stuck out to me

1741
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 9: when asking him about the potential last start, And I

1742
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 9: think someone might asked him as well about the whole

1743
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 9: meaningless aspect of the game, and he got on the

1744
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 9: soap box and was like, Hey, nothing we do in

1745
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 9: life is meaningless. And as cliche as that might sound,

1746
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 9: I thought he was very authentic in laying out why

1747
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 9: it matters. He's, you know, the guy's forty four, and

1748
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 9: he's like, I remember being ten years old and losing

1749
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 9: to my friends at the park, and you know, you

1750
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 9: either go home crying or you go home happy.

1751
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 4: And there is a certain.

1752
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 9: Disney movie aspect of it, like a feel good nature

1753
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 9: to him trying to do what turned out to be impossible.

1754
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 9: I mean, he was trying to be the third quarterback

1755
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 9: age forty four or older in the NFL to win

1756
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 9: a game, and he just wasn't able to do it.

1757
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 9: He only had a sixth quarterback ever to play in

1758
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 9: a game at forty four year or older.

1759
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 4: But when you get past all of that feel goodness,

1760
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 4: if that's a word, you get.

1761
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 9: This kind of sinking in reality of bow Boy. We're

1762
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 9: still in trouble here. And I think that was my

1763
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 9: overall takeaway leaving lucas O's state him last night.

1764
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: Kevin, Yeah, I would agree on that.

1765
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 4: It's you know and Friday Night lights Permian runs into

1766
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 4: Dallas Carter, right, and in the Philip Rivers movie, I

1767
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 4: think he's run into the equivalent of Dallas Carter. It

1768
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 4: just he looked his age yesterday. To me, the story

1769
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 4: started to get a little sad. And again the offense.

1770
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 4: You want him back for a twenty twenty six season,

1771
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 4: you want him to get You want him to lose

1772
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 4: his ability to use his right arm by starting next

1773
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 4: yeason for the Colts.

1774
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: You did allude to that, Kevin, don't don't run from this.

1775
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: I believe I asked the question. I didn't say wanted it. James.

1776
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: I think just is insulted that you're even posing it. Yeah,

1777
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: so I.

1778
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 4: Think you've seen how the Innapolis Colts have operated over

1779
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 4: the last decade, James, Boyd, anything's on the table.

1780
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: This is true, Jeff, Saturday might be going.

1781
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 4: To take your advice on this. You've been running longer

1782
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 4: than me, and every time I think I've seen something crazy,

1783
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 4: I feel like it's you, Mike Chappell and Steven Holder

1784
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 4: telling me, boy, relax, you ain't seen enough.

1785
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,560
Speaker 1: Again. I assume it'll be rather Leonard coming up on Sunday.

1786
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 4: And it probably would have been the same result with

1787
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 4: Leondar of the last three weeks.

1788
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: But the offense is just so archaic with Rivers. It

1789
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 1: just is it just and the numbers back it up.

1790
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: I mean they were James.

1791
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 4: They were three point seven yards per attempt yesterday per play,

1792
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 4: I should say they were three point six.

1793
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:08,919
Speaker 1: I believe in Seattle.

1794
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 4: If you look at the stike in ten year, three years,

1795
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 4: that would be the second and the third fewest in

1796
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 4: his three years.

1797
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 1: It just.

1798
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 4: And I guess there's no way to say that without

1799
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 4: I guess it coming as a knock on Rivers, but

1800
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 4: just with him as a quarterback, there's so many limitations

1801
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 4: to this offense and no more than the potency aspect to.

1802
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 1: Sorry for laughing.

1803
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 4: Derrek White a P one listener, he said, he said,

1804
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 4: give Philip Rivers some way loss shots and getting ready

1805
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 4: for twenty twenty six boy training, I bet nazee Philip

1806
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 4: Rivers on ozempic Man, No, no way, No, I don't

1807
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 4: want Olympic filler. I think Eli Lilly has got a

1808
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 4: new drug coming out right, i'man going in some local product.

1809
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 5: Man.

1810
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 1: No, I don't want a patch on the Colts uniform

1811
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: for next year. Oh gosh, boy, I died.

1812
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 4: I mean, it's an awesome story. Yeah, but the NFL

1813
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 4: reality is hit and this.

1814
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: Sport is very unforgiving. And I will say this too.

1815
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: I mean, man, he ran into his own offensive lineman

1816
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 1: and fell down for a sack.

1817
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 9: But to your point about you know, it's an awesome

1818
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 9: story that probably needs to come to an end. I

1819
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 9: talked to Eric Weddle for that story I did on

1820
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 9: you know the former players, former teammates of Philip Rivers.

1821
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 9: Reacting to his to him coming out of retirement. Eric

1822
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 9: Weddle was very real and saying, when you do something

1823
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,839
Speaker 9: like I did, he came out of a two year retirement.

1824
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 9: Granted he was I think thirty six when he came back,

1825
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 9: Philip coming back out of five year retirement being forty four.

1826
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 9: He said, in no uncertain terms, your body is on

1827
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:42,799
Speaker 9: a timer.

1828
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: You will get hurt.

1829
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 9: He tore his pectorial muscle and the Super Bowl after

1830
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 9: winning it and was obviously in extruciating pain because of it,

1831
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 9: and he didn't go this far, but he told me, look, man,

1832
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 9: I just pray that nobody falls on this guy's ribs

1833
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 9: forty four and he's, you know, having to have surgery

1834
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 9: or something at that age. So yes, it's a feel

1835
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 9: good story, but is the very violent game. And boy,

1836
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 9: it is not an old man's game.

1837
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: Nine o'clock hour.

1838
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 4: If you want to join the conversation three one, seven, two, three, nine,

1839
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 4: ten seventy, he will take some calls here coming up.

1840
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 4: Talk whatever you want to, whether it's the reaction from

1841
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 4: yesterday or the big picture view of the Colts in

1842
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 4: a fifth straight season without the playoffs. Kevin bow and

1843
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 4: James Boyd and Caleb Zuber on a Monday.

1844
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 3: Motion out to the left side, including Downs Warren and Michael.

1845
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: Pittman Jews, they're blitzing Rivers throws that.

1846
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 3: Way, intercepted thirty twenty five twenty yard line of being

1847
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 3: stopped right there as Jerry and Jones. He came away

1848
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 3: with his second interception in as many games. The second

1849
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 3: year quarterback int of Florida State comes away with the

1850
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 3: interception and that Jaguars are right back into business near

1851
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 3: the red zone.

1852
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 4: Hell of a tackle by Josh Downs that actually was

1853
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:04,719
Speaker 4: four point saving tackle. Yeah, but boy, when we're talking

1854
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 4: about a hell of a tackle by Josh Down's here

1855
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 4: on a Monday morning.

1856
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: Don't say it positive man and.

1857
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 9: Issue also had a crazy catch on the sideline that

1858
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 9: got a nice reaction from Uncle Phil Grandpa Phil going

1859
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 9: off on the refs. You probably dropped like seven dead

1860
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 9: gummets in that discussion.

1861
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: Let's stink and go.

1862
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 4: That was the phrase we saw quite often in the

1863
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,759
Speaker 4: micd Up version of the forty nine Ers game. Again,

1864
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 4: good Monday morning to you, Kevin Bowen, James Boyd, and

1865
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 4: Caleb Zuver with you here. We have broken down a

1866
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 4: lot over the Colts and they're now fifth straight year

1867
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 4: missing the playoffs.

1868
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 1: Yesterday, twenty three seventeen to the Jags.

1869
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 4: Just to lay out the week for those that are curious,

1870
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,680
Speaker 4: NFL did announce the week eighteen schedule late last night.

1871
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 1: The Colts are back in the.

1872
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 4: What you would expect one o'clock Sunday window with a

1873
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 4: meaningless game with Houston. Technically, Houston could still win the

1874
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,919
Speaker 4: AFC South, they would need Jacksonville though to lose to Tennessee.

1875
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 4: So I would expect a normal schedule week for the Colts,

1876
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,719
Speaker 4: you know, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, practice, et cetera, et cetera,

1877
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 4: and then James. Typically what happens is when you know

1878
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 4: that final game ends on Sunday, the next day, so

1879
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 4: that would be one week from today. That is when

1880
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 4: you have player locker room clean out, and that is

1881
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 4: the day that the NFL references is Black Monday from

1882
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 4: around the league. And last year, correct me if I'm wrong,

1883
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 4: the Jim merseay pen letter came out what just a

1884
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 4: couple hours after the Week eighteen game ended, Colts and

1885
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 4: Jaggs at Lucas o' State. I want to say it

1886
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 4: was like a seven o'clockish something wrong along those lines.

1887
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe.

1888
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 4: So.

1889
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 9: I just remember stepping out into the snow because remember

1890
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 9: we had that huge snowstorm, stepping on into the snow

1891
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 9: after writing my post season postgame story and then having

1892
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 9: to go back to the apartment and rewrite it because

1893
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 9: first they put out a statement that.

1894
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 4: Could have been put out at four o'clock.

1895
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 9: But yes, they did make a statement, made it pretty quickly,

1896
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 9: and I wonder if that will be the case this year.

1897
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 4: Do you just use the same statement, I mean you

1898
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 4: could if you keep everybody around, do you like go

1899
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 4: back and you change a few words, like it's you know,

1900
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 4: is it just courtesy to wait till the black Monday thing?

1901
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: Could you just do the whole well, you know what,

1902
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: like do it today?

1903
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 4: No, I mean do it today. I mean, well, you

1904
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 4: definitely could do it today. It's a Monday, but you know,

1905
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 4: the whole season ends. Will wait in the morning and

1906
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 4: do everything. If I remember correctly, with Ryan Grigson, I

1907
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 4: want to say Gregson was fired like several weeks into January.

1908
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:42,799
Speaker 1: Wow.

1909
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 4: Now again that's Jim Mersey's watch. It's a different animal.

1910
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,640
Speaker 4: I would assume if you are Carli ors Gordon and

1911
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 4: you are encountering your first ever if she is, and

1912
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 4: again I'm not hold my breath, I guess to say

1913
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 4: it out loud, but if she is going to make

1914
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 4: a change or two, I would assume she would as

1915
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 4: much time as possible.

1916
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:05,640
Speaker 8: James wants to lay Kiffin situation, fire him on a tarmac.

1917
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: That's what Jessel James wants.

1918
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 4: I guess overlook as somebody who works in the news, business.

1919
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 1: Make it quick.

1920
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 4: If you're gonna make anything, any type of decision, get

1921
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 4: it over with. I don't like waiting around, because you

1922
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 4: know what happens, Caleb. I get comfortable, I think, huh,

1923
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 4: you know what, ain't nothing gonna happen. I can relac,

1924
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 4: I can go get this haircut, I can go to

1925
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 4: the grocery store, I can.

1926
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:29,799
Speaker 1: Go see my family friends.

1927
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 9: And then as soon as I do that, something happens

1928
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,839
Speaker 9: without failure every single time. When JT got his extension,

1929
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 9: after the whole saga with jim Irsay, I was in

1930
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 9: the chair getting the line and.

1931
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 4: Oh, I will never forget when Gregson got fired, I

1932
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 4: was up in Chicago visiting some some buddies. I might

1933
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 4: have had a libation or two at that point. I

1934
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 4: mean this was, like I swear, Caleb, you can look

1935
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 4: up the date. Look up the date Ryan Gregson got

1936
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 4: fired from the Colts. I mean it had to have

1937
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 4: been two, if not three weeks into January when you

1938
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 4: know he got and I think we occasionally see this

1939
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 4: and I, yeah, it was January twenty first, So I

1940
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 4: think I don't know that what's Monday Monday is going

1941
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 4: to be what January fourth, fifth, yeah, so that is

1942
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 4: quite a while. I mean that was what so two

1943
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 4: weeks in the into the off season. I haven't really

1944
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 4: deciphered too much of league wide and feel free guys

1945
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 4: to chime in.

1946
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: So far. Right now we have what we have interom coaches.

1947
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think where New York Tennessee, Tennessee is

1948
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 1: that it. I feel like there's one more, but that

1949
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: might that might be it should be one for the writers.

1950
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 4: But it doesn't seem like there's the Ben Johnson coordinator pursuit.

1951
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 4: There doesn't seem to be I don't know, maybe Marcus

1952
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 4: Freeman is this There doesn't seem to necessarily be the

1953
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 4: hot college football coach that is just waiting to join

1954
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 4: the NFL. A lah Harball maybe from a couple of

1955
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 4: years ago. The one big domino that I am curious about,

1956
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 4: because there's always something that is unforeseen on Black Monday,

1957
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 4: or at least in the general world around that day.

1958
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes it involves a playoff team.

1959
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 4: Frankly, what happens with Steelers Ravens Sunday Night football game

1960
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 4: two seventy two, Because I just feel like we've had

1961
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 4: some whispers throughout the year of and maybe it's just, Hey,

1962
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 4: I'm tired of waking up next to that person, which

1963
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 4: sounds kind of harsh, but you know, maybe that is

1964
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 4: the case with John Harball in Baltimore. Maybe that is

1965
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 4: the case of Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh. And so does

1966
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 4: that lead to anything? Does the loser of that game

1967
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 4: or hell maybe if the winner then gets smoked in

1968
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 4: the playoffs? Do we see anything domino effect off of that?

1969
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 8: I like this the rare both coaches coaching for their

1970
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 8: job game.

1971
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 1: How many times has that happened?

1972
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 4: Which sounds wild because both coaches are like borderline Hall

1973
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 4: of Fame coaches.

1974
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 1: I don't even think they are though. That's the thing.

1975
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 4: Well, I definitely don't think Tomlin is man. And I know,

1976
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 4: I know everyone's gonna.

1977
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 1: Be like, yeah, games, I don't.

1978
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:16,640
Speaker 4: I mean, they trust.

1979
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 9: Me when I tell you this man is not coaching

1980
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 9: for his job with Pittsburg.

1981
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 4: He's just not. I get that Pittsburgh usually doesn't do

1982
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 4: these things, but when's the last time they won a

1983
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 4: playoff game?

1984
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 7: Oh?

1985
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 8: I agree with you that fans are so fed up

1986
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 8: with him, but don't we usually always have one story

1987
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 8: in the coaching world of the black Monday that's a

1988
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 8: little bit not crystal clear.

1989
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 4: That's not Tennessee or not New York. Where is that

1990
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 4: going to be? I mean right now from a national landscape.

1991
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:44,720
Speaker 4: James correct me if I'm wrong, But I don't think

1992
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 4: we've had any sort of schefter rapaport any of those

1993
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 4: guys bringing up Shane Stiken's name in Indy. No, that

1994
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 4: is true unless I missed it. I don't think there's

1995
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 4: been true any of the national convo.

1996
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 9: Which is why you should stick with local journalism like

1997
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 9: us on the thing.

1998
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 1: But again, it's not like we're sitting here expecting to change,

1999
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 1: not necessarily not from the coaching.

2000
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 9: I do think again, if you're looking at the scales,

2001
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 9: the high alert one is definitely the more weightier one.

2002
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 4: Has to be valid before I go to stiching. Now, again,

2003
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 4: some of those I think has to do is just

2004
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 4: Carli Ers Gordon in general, and like there's no past

2005
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 4: precedent with her. So that's a good point league wide,

2006
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:25,560
Speaker 4: I think that is at play here, whereas you know,

2007
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 4: maybe Jim Rsay, certainly Chris Mortenson you know, had a

2008
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,600
Speaker 4: very close relationship from a national media standpoint with some

2009
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 4: of those guys. Mike Silver comes to mind, So maybe

2010
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 4: you know that is at play here, But yeah, we'll

2011
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:44,639
Speaker 4: see if you know, as I've tried to read tea

2012
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 4: leaves throughout this, and again it's difficult because Carli ers

2013
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:52,640
Speaker 4: Gordon is different. But does the embarrassment you know, I

2014
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 4: would call this collapse embarrassing to a degree. You know,

2015
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 4: I get there's some context, but James, and we throw

2016
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 4: out the stat since two thousand, you've had ninety six

2017
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 4: teams start eight and two and you're the only one

2018
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 4: not to make the playoffs. Hell, you didn't even make

2019
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 4: it to eighteen week eighteen with a chance. And we've

2020
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 4: extended the playoff format. If you look at that stat

2021
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:23,720
Speaker 4: since two thousand, for what the first twenty years of

2022
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 4: that stat, only six teams made the playoffs in each conference.

2023
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: Now there's seven.

2024
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 4: I mean, that is a very historic, embarrassing collapse. Are

2025
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 4: we simply just chalking up to, hey man, people got hurt, right,

2026
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 4: I'm back.

2027
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 9: And do that.

2028
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 1: I can't do that.

2029
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 9: It's to me, it's definitely the biggest reason for the collapse,

2030
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:45,959
Speaker 9: the injuries.

2031
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 4: But carlier say mentioned that back in the spring, she

2032
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 4: brought up the injury a word.

2033
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 3: Those are her words.

2034
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 1: We don't have many of her words to go off of. James,

2035
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 1: she brought that up.

2036
01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 9: That's a very good point, and again it just goes

2037
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 9: back to how I think what we're trying to do

2038
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 9: right now, and it's kind of a cop out response

2039
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 9: from me, but we're trying to theorize what could happen

2040
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 9: without having a good chance or a good precedent of

2041
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 9: what has happened with respect to Carla ers Gordon. With

2042
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 9: jim irsay, in the past, we could say, well, if

2043
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 9: I look here at this year in the similar situation,

2044
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 9: some moost circumstances, he did this, and honestly, with Jim irsay,

2045
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 9: some of that stuff never made sense whether you had

2046
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 9: past president or not, I e.

2047
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 1: Jeff Saturday being hired.

2048
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 9: However, this is why this offseason I think is so

2049
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 9: pivotal from an organization organizational standpoint, because whatever Carly ERSA.

2050
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 9: Gordon does moving forward this offseason is what we will

2051
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 9: judge her in the franchise by in the next off

2052
01:38:55,240 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 9: seasons to come. And boy, she steps into such a

2053
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 9: unique situation.

2054
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:07,759
Speaker 8: I have to say this to those interview if jobs

2055
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 8: do open up here, those interviews are gonna have to

2056
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 8: be like sixteen hours long. Do you understand how much

2057
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 8: is at risk here and what's on the table? First

2058
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:20,600
Speaker 8: round picks? What are you gonna do with the quarterback?

2059
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 8: What are you gonna do with the head coach? There

2060
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 8: is you have to get a full idea, especially for

2061
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:30,640
Speaker 8: the general manager, what their plan is gonna be and

2062
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 8: what their philosophy is.

2063
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 1: There is so much to figure out here.

2064
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 9: Well, I'll say this, you don't have to worry about

2065
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 9: that because when they went through this process with Shane

2066
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 9: it was you know, days long interviews and stuff like that,

2067
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 9: so that won't be an issue. But certainly I can

2068
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 9: say this, I do know this about Carly. She is

2069
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 9: not one two cut corners. So she will be very thorough.

2070
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 9: You talk to any players, any coaches about just her

2071
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 9: being around the team, not only this year, but in

2072
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 9: years past, very very very detailed. And one of the

2073
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 9: players who I think speaks to that the most publicly

2074
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 9: is no longer here, and that's Stefan Gilmore. This is

2075
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 9: the guy who's probably the future Hall of Famer, former

2076
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 9: decent defensive player of the Year, and he was early

2077
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 9: in saying, dude, she is built for this, and she

2078
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 9: is prepared for this. And she doesn't cut corners.

2079
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could. Again, I'm not going to pretend to

2080
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 1: know Carl, said Gordon. Well, but the little.

2081
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 9: Shops at the same you know locations, and you know

2082
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:27,480
Speaker 9: same Carl, the car dealership.

2083
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:29,640
Speaker 4: I somewhat park close to her in the in the

2084
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 4: parking lot. Slightly different cars, I must say, But you know,

2085
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:35,679
Speaker 4: the little I do know of her, I could definitely

2086
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 4: see her. First off, I think she will be much

2087
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:42,600
Speaker 4: more black and white than her dad. Ultimately when it

2088
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 4: comes to decision making from an emotional standpoint, yeah, I

2089
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 4: think she is going to look at hardcore numbers and look,

2090
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 4: the hardcore numbers are ugly, and she's going to sit

2091
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 4: here and be like, wait, what why why are we

2092
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 4: twenty eighth?

2093
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: Why are we twenty fourth?

2094
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 4: Well, you know, however, you want to slice and dice hip,

2095
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 4: and I could see here wanting to make a very

2096
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 4: quick imprint on this is I'm running the show right now.

2097
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 4: Me and my sisters are run the show right now.

2098
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 4: I mean they made some organizational moves in the immediate

2099
01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 4: aftermath of her dad's passing that you know some people

2100
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:20,519
Speaker 4: that have been in that organization for a long long time,

2101
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 4: and no, no, no, we are now moving forward and

2102
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 4: we don't necessarily feel like you whatever you fit there,

2103
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 4: you fit there. You know, dollars and cents, however you

2104
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:32,519
Speaker 4: want to slice and dice it. So h there is

2105
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 4: that part of me that believes that aspect to it.

2106
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 4: But I continue to come back to that trade and

2107
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 4: that trade just it just threw a wrench into all

2108
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 4: of it.

2109
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,639
Speaker 1: To me, it was when you.

2110
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:50,000
Speaker 4: Make that move, and if she indeed green lighted it,

2111
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:56,080
Speaker 4: then that would be quite the one eighty two months later.

2112
01:41:58,040 --> 01:41:59,560
Speaker 4: But I'll always say this, when you are people in

2113
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 4: positions of authority, particularly in professional sports, admitting you're wrong,

2114
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 4: I think it's one of the hardest things to do,

2115
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 4: but it can also be a massive deciding factor in

2116
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:15,759
Speaker 4: you maintaining your job. Like Kevin Pritchard with the Demanta

2117
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 4: Sabonis Miles Turnery thing. He felt like that was the

2118
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 4: right move, committed to that, and then all of a

2119
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 4: sudden realized, oh, believe this isn't gonna work.

2120
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 1: Can you pivot or are you too stubborn to not?

2121
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 9: And then got rid of Demantas Sabonis after a shoot

2122
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 9: around in Atlanta where I have to, you know, stay

2123
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 9: awake and write that I agree, But can I say

2124
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:45,760
Speaker 9: this too, to your point about having to pivot and

2125
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:49,600
Speaker 9: make decisions where at first you thought one thing and

2126
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 9: then you think of another. You have to do it also

2127
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 9: at the expense of somebody else's job, ten your potentially,

2128
01:42:56,360 --> 01:43:01,720
Speaker 9: And that's the nuanced that's there. But also that's what

2129
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 9: you get paid the big bucks for. That's why they're

2130
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 9: the owner. Like you can say I greenlighted the Sauce

2131
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 9: Gardener trade and didn't work. But you can also say, well,

2132
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 9: you know what, you might not be the right person

2133
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:12,680
Speaker 9: to help me fix this.

2134
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm sure that you know this conversation will

2135
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 4: probably have a lot throughout the week, and you know,

2136
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 4: the whole Gardener trade. To me, it was less about

2137
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 4: do you think Sauce Gardener is a great player? You

2138
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,640
Speaker 4: know that remains to be seen if he's going to

2139
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 4: be that in occults uniform. Obviously this year injuries have

2140
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 4: played a massive factor in that. But when you make

2141
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 4: that move, you said Daniel Jones is your franchise quarterback unquestionably,

2142
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 4: and you said Chris Ballard is your GM of the future.

2143
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:47,600
Speaker 4: And those two thoughts to me are super premature and

2144
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 4: I don't think got tynesight twenty twenty all of a

2145
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 4: sudden creeping in for me and I get that the

2146
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 4: sauce gardener is available. It's not something that's available three

2147
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty five days out of the year. The

2148
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 4: trade deadline was what November three? November fourth? Like, you

2149
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 4: can't just execute that trade, ye in a snap of

2150
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 4: a finger. Here, that's how in season trades oftentimes work.

2151
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 4: But sometimes you're not allowed to shop down those aisles.

2152
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 4: And I, well, you just you just brought back so

2153
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 4: many memories I can hit my grandmother. Now put that

2154
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 4: down right right when we get in here. You don't

2155
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 4: touch nothing.

2156
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 1: No, I'm lucky.

2157
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:24,880
Speaker 4: If you know the candy bar at the checkout, if

2158
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:27,639
Speaker 4: I can slide that under a few other groceries before

2159
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 4: we go through the checkout line.

2160
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:32,400
Speaker 1: We got McDonald's at home, Hey, for real?

2161
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 4: Oh my, the story of the verse at home? The

2162
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 4: stories I could tell the stories. Now now I get

2163
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 4: the flexus. I got McDonald's money. Now, what's up only

2164
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Speaker 4: for me though.

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Speaker 1: Let's hit a morning check down.

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Speaker 4: How about the game yesterday twenty three seventeen, it was

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01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 4: the Jags over the Colts. Colts built a ten to

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01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 4: nothing lead. I thought a Jonathan Taylor ran it with

2169
01:44:56,760 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 4: some early success, Ashton dooland sparked thing, and that Colt's

2170
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 4: pass rush was reaching back into the archives with some

2171
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:06,639
Speaker 4: moments that I hadn't seen. But James, from then on

2172
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:11,639
Speaker 4: you just felt like Jacksonville. Eventually they would stop playing

2173
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 4: with their food and assert their dominance on the game.

2174
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:18,440
Speaker 4: Certainly from a yardage standpoint they did, and then scoreboard

2175
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 4: wise made the plays and they needed to twenty three

2176
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 4: to seventeen. The difference for you in the game was

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01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:28,160
Speaker 4: what Philip rivers final look old man. I just thought

2178
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:29,600
Speaker 4: that they weren't able to put the ball on the

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01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:34,759
Speaker 4: field very often. And although it's not all his fault,

2180
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:37,559
Speaker 4: his turnover did lead to the go ahead field goal

2181
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:40,680
Speaker 4: that ultimately proved to be the lead they couldn't come

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01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 4: back from. Yeah, I thought he looked his age for

2183
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 4: the most part. You know, definitely sprinkled in some good

2184
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 4: But the dinosaur offense was back again for the Colts yesterday.

2185
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:54,280
Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor ultimately you couldn't keep him as an efficient runner.

2186
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 4: Defensively again, the big pass rush early on did not last.

2187
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:02,759
Speaker 4: We did see Sauce Gardner leave early tightness in his calf,

2188
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:05,760
Speaker 4: so assuming he is shut down, that would be three

2189
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 4: and a half games for Sauce Gardner here in a

2190
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 4: Colt's uniform. He left early third quarter. Technically, I guess

2191
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 4: wasn't ruled out, but he did not look like a

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Speaker 4: guy that was returning to play anytime soon. So it'll

2193
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 4: be Colton Texans coming up Sunday, Week eighteen, the season finale.

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01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 4: A ten point underdog in this one. Moving to the

2195
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,800
Speaker 4: other parts of the NFL Week eighteen, the schedule is

2196
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:29,719
Speaker 4: set well. First off, we got Rams Falcons tonight Monday

2197
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 4: Night football. They're looking ahead to Week eighteen. There's really

2198
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 4: not a lot to play for from a playoff berth standpoint.

2199
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 4: The NFC South is yet to be decided, so that'll

2200
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 4: be our Saturday game at four point thirty Panthers Bucks

2201
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 4: winner is the four seed. The number one seed in

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01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 4: the NFC is also left up in the air. That

2203
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 4: could be either forty nine Ers or Seahawks. That will

2204
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:54,680
Speaker 4: be the night game coming up on Saturday. Winner of

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01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 4: that is the one seed. Loser I believe loser of

2206
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 4: that goes to the winner of the NFC South, right,

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01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:05,280
Speaker 4: So it's kind of wild those two games are back

2208
01:47:05,320 --> 01:47:07,080
Speaker 4: and forth there, so forty nine Ers.

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Speaker 1: If they win, they're the one seed.

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Speaker 4: If they lose, then they're traveling to Carolina or Tampa

2211
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:15,240
Speaker 4: in Round one. And then Game two seventy two, the

2212
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:19,720
Speaker 4: last game of the season, Sunday Night Football Ravens and Steelers.

2213
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 4: The winner there is your AFC North champ and your

2214
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:26,440
Speaker 4: loser is out of the postseason.

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01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:31,160
Speaker 1: And according to Kevin Bowen, the loser their coaches fired too.

2216
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 1: Who else is fired?

2217
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:34,519
Speaker 4: So they just trade coaches.

2218
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:38,960
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll's fired or no, Kevin Stefanski.

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01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:40,960
Speaker 9: In all seriously, Pete Carroll probably needs to go. So

2220
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 9: that's one year and us, Yes, it is that bad.

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01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:44,599
Speaker 1: I don't.

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01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 9: I can't look at the Raiders and look at anything

2223
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 9: that they've done and say.

2224
01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:51,160
Speaker 1: This is good. Zach Taylor in Cincinnati, that's another one.

2225
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 4: Interesting.

2226
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be a coveted job, would it not.

2227
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 4: You would think, well, any time you got a franchise quarterback, yes,

2228
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:02,799
Speaker 4: but that owner Mike McDaniel getting another run in Miami.

2229
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 4: He's got playoffs on his resume. I'm like Shane Stiken,

2230
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 4: He's also like kind of made them like decent seven

2231
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:13,600
Speaker 4: to nine the Dolphins winning eight games potentially is not

2232
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:14,639
Speaker 4: what I had on my Bengo card.

2233
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 8: I feel that way about the Vikings too, just with

2234
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 8: the way things started for them, like all of a sudden,

2235
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:21,760
Speaker 8: they could be the second place team, crazy for the

2236
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 8: third place team in the NFC North.

2237
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:24,760
Speaker 1: A couple other all throw out there.

2238
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon in Arizona, Raheem Morris in Atlanta, any of

2239
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 4: that could be possible here.

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Speaker 1: I'd see Morris.

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01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:37,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, Black Monday coming up here a week from it today,

2242
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:39,679
Speaker 4: all right on the hardwood tonight we got a little

2243
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 4: bit of action here on a Monday. Pacers and Rockets.

2244
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:44,599
Speaker 4: It'll be an eight o'clock tip down there in Houston.

2245
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 4: The Pacers have now lost eight in a row. Looks

2246
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:50,879
Speaker 4: like Ben Shephard could return, So James, I have this correct.

2247
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:52,759
Speaker 1: We could be as early.

2248
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:59,880
Speaker 4: As tonight having a McConnell, nem Hard Matherin, Shepherd niece,

2249
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 4: Aaroni Smith back in the lineup after a month and

2250
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 4: a half out. Pascal Siakam, that's about as close to

2251
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:10,719
Speaker 4: the expected opening night core as you've had in a while.

2252
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,960
Speaker 4: So again, it's eight in a row. You right now

2253
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 4: you have the worst record in the league. If there's

2254
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 4: ever going to be a time, we'll see if it

2255
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 4: happens here in January.

2256
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Speaker 9: It's not for me to start checking the schedule again

2257
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 9: to see when does Darren Peterson play. AJ debands to

2258
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 9: the Cameron Boozer if the basketball guys want to reward

2259
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:33,519
Speaker 9: us for the loss of Tyres Halliburn's achilles. By the way,

2260
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:35,479
Speaker 9: he's back on the court doing some workouts four games now,

2261
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:38,719
Speaker 9: which is good to see. Give the Pacers that number

2262
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 9: one pick.

2263
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 4: By the way, and I just saw this pop up

2264
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 4: on my Twitter timeline. I kind of forgot this about

2265
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:48,000
Speaker 4: Liam Cohen, Jack's head coach. Remember how Saga filled It

2266
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:49,760
Speaker 4: was crazy that head coaching search was.

2267
01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't he like it?

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01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:53,760
Speaker 9: Didn't he agree to come back to Tampa Bay as

2269
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 9: a coordinator. And then he went to do the interview

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01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:02,439
Speaker 9: with Jacksonville and got the Buccaneers and then took the

2271
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 9: Jaguars job well.

2272
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:07,520
Speaker 1: And he got the jack Gm fired. Remember that Trent Bulky.

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01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was one of his sticking points. And

2274
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 4: they hired the young dude. Yeah, well, I saw him

2275
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 4: on the sidelines before the game, that is the young

2276
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:16,799
Speaker 4: I cannot believe that dude is a GM in the NFL.

2277
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:18,919
Speaker 4: James Gladstone, I believe.

2278
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 8: Is the name.

2279
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 1: Shout out Torod James. You know black don't crack. He

2280
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 1: did nice black jack jacking on, yes, flipping the ball up.

2281
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:28,519
Speaker 4: Okay, keep here. You talking about black Monday.

2282
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 1: I've been black on.

2283
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:29,960
Speaker 4: Every Monday of my life.

2284
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:31,800
Speaker 1: By the way, he speaking of black that bus sash

2285
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:34,479
Speaker 1: on Shod Cohn. You see that thing in person? Oh

2286
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:38,719
Speaker 1: my gosh, luscious. Oh it's an immaculate you know, it's crazy.

2287
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 4: I never felt more.

2288
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:41,600
Speaker 1: You could have a family in there. That thing is

2289
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 1: so just look, I mean, that thing is awesome.

2290
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:45,240
Speaker 4: No, this is true.

2291
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 1: To shake his hand.

2292
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 9: I have never felt more broke in my life than

2293
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 9: last year at the owner's meetings down and was it

2294
01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:54,679
Speaker 9: Palm Beach or whatever. And we're at this fancy hotel

2295
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:56,560
Speaker 9: and they get out of the like owners meet the

2296
01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:59,680
Speaker 9: literal owner's meetings, and shot Con comes walking down the

2297
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 9: hall and he's got liked you said, the luscious mustache.

2298
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 9: And then you see all the other owners walking by,

2299
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:07,599
Speaker 9: and I'm like, okay, that's that's ten billion, that's two billion,

2300
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:09,240
Speaker 9: that's and I still got to pick my car. No,

2301
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:12,200
Speaker 9: on the Honda Civic. You know, dude, you and.

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01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 1: I could agree on this. We could tell stories for days.

2303
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:16,240
Speaker 4: James. There's nothing that will humble you more as a

2304
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 4: human than attending the NFL owner's meetings. Yeah, true story,

2305
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:21,800
Speaker 4: real quick. There was seeing how you arrive and how

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01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 4: you were and how you whatever versus bat World.

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01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,679
Speaker 9: There was and it was my first time I think

2308
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:31,040
Speaker 9: going to was this is my first time going to

2309
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:33,960
Speaker 9: owner's meetings, I believe so it might have been. And

2310
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 9: there was a child to the security guard. He saw

2311
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 9: me the first couple of days and maybe like by

2312
01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 9: like the third day or whatever, he stopped me. He said, uh,

2313
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:43,479
Speaker 9: I was like, I thought I was in trouble or something,

2314
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:45,519
Speaker 9: or I was walking somewhere. I went supposed to be like,

2315
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:46,960
Speaker 9: He's like, nah, no, he's that one. Lets you know

2316
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 9: the look on your face has finally changed. He said,

2317
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:51,400
Speaker 9: it looks like you're, you know, actually kind of like

2318
01:51:52,040 --> 01:51:54,639
Speaker 9: relaxing that you might have belonged here, because he said,

2319
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:56,080
Speaker 9: for about two days there, you.

2320
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:57,720
Speaker 4: Was like you didn't know what you were doing. I

2321
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,960
Speaker 4: was like, I it was that easy to spot walking

2322
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:00,799
Speaker 4: through those hotels.

2323
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:02,240
Speaker 1: I was hands in the pocket.

2324
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 4: You don't touch one thing you don't love, you had

2325
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 4: on a swivel, and if you run into the wrong person,

2326
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:09,479
Speaker 4: Oh boy, you got kids running around because of the holiday

2327
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 4: and express. I got a couple of calls to get to.

2328
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 4: We'll do that coming up after the break. It is

2329
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:16,760
Speaker 4: the fan morning show here on a Monday that I

2330
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:18,360
Speaker 4: look outside and I'm seeing snow floors.

2331
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:20,720
Speaker 2: You know.

2332
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:21,840
Speaker 1: I think that's the hard part too.

2333
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 2: It doesn't last forever. And if I've had one right,

2334
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 2: one or two appearances and you just go, man, there

2335
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 2: is a time going to run out.

2336
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 1: And that's just reality, right. That happened.

2337
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:32,080
Speaker 2: We had a stretching San Diego where we went four

2338
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 2: in a row, six, seven, eight nine, and we were like, oh,

2339
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:35,439
Speaker 2: we're gonna get one and then all of a sudden, you're

2340
01:52:35,439 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 2: just gonna skid, you know, And it's it's the reality

2341
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:40,320
Speaker 2: of the business.

2342
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 1: Room.

2343
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:49,360
Speaker 4: Certainly been a cool movie, fun story, inspirational, all of

2344
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:53,680
Speaker 4: it heartwarming, but NFL reality is set in and the

2345
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 4: Friday night lights feel to the Permian Panthers. Big Philip

2346
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:00,439
Speaker 4: Rivers is seen as Dallas, Carter and I Bold leave.

2347
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 1: It will be Riley Leonard coming up.

2348
01:53:02,160 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 4: On Sunday and Houston will wait official ward on that

2349
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:09,080
Speaker 4: from Shane Stiken later this week. I guess Philip Rivers

2350
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:10,080
Speaker 4: would still be the backup.

2351
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:10,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2352
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:13,000
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson doesn't need clearance to be ready for a game.

2353
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:16,280
Speaker 4: These are all still some questions that need some answers here,

2354
01:53:16,280 --> 01:53:18,120
Speaker 4: so we'll see as the Colts get ready for their

2355
01:53:18,160 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 4: season finale in Houston. Just getting you set on the

2356
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 4: lay of the land for the week, we're back to

2357
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:27,799
Speaker 4: some basketball action. I know we usually I think locally NBA,

2358
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:31,679
Speaker 4: even certainly college typically around Christmas is pretty quiet. Perdue

2359
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:34,360
Speaker 4: back in action tonight their final non conference game. They've

2360
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:36,479
Speaker 4: got Ken State Indiana. I still think we got to

2361
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 4: wait a little bit before Darren de Freeze and company

2362
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:41,559
Speaker 4: later this weekend that they'll get back to the hardwood there.

2363
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 4: Butler's at Creighton tomorrow night and the Pacers, they've got

2364
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:48,559
Speaker 4: the Rockets coming up here at eight o'clock tonight, will

2365
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:51,320
Speaker 4: of course have your coverage. And then the big one

2366
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:57,680
Speaker 4: this week four o'clock Rose Bowl Thursday, the Indiana Hoosiers

2367
01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 4: as a touchdown favorite against the Alabama Crimson Tide.

2368
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:05,599
Speaker 1: I did see I think.

2369
01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:07,519
Speaker 4: I saw Kurt Signetti mentioned maybe it was a little

2370
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:09,840
Speaker 4: bit ago. Omark Cooper Junior good to go. You know

2371
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:12,519
Speaker 4: he left early in that Big Ten title game. James, Yeah,

2372
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,639
Speaker 4: I think Omark Cooper Junior is a stud. I think

2373
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 4: that dude is well.

2374
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 9: Then we talked to Dame Brugler, the athletic draft gurer.

2375
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:20,519
Speaker 9: I think he caught him a tope hundred guy, yeah

2376
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 9: for the draft, and I think he is a very

2377
01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:27,840
Speaker 9: key ingredient to getting on a run here. You know,

2378
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:28,720
Speaker 9: absolutely the.

2379
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:32,360
Speaker 4: Elijah Surratt back shoulder, Charlie Becker down the field. Is

2380
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:34,400
Speaker 4: that still going to be their weekend and week out

2381
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:38,840
Speaker 4: against elite, elite competition. But I think Cooper Junior is

2382
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:40,760
Speaker 4: a hell of an athlete just creating on his own.

2383
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:44,000
Speaker 4: So we'll see if you know, him back to full

2384
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 4: health can help out Indiana again.

2385
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 1: Four o'clock on Thursday, New Year's Day. I want to

2386
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 1: say this real quick.

2387
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:52,840
Speaker 9: What's crazy about this matchup is that it used to

2388
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 9: be the running joke if you went to a bag

2389
01:54:56,640 --> 01:55:00,520
Speaker 9: college program for football, you'd win against No and say

2390
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 9: bring on Alabama.

2391
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 1: And now they really have Alabama and a chance to

2392
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 1: be we want Bam.

2393
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:07,560
Speaker 4: I mean that was the thing we did in Illinois

2394
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 4: when they used to beat some directional school and you know,

2395
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 4: week zero or whatever. But you're legitimately the favorite to

2396
01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 4: beat Alaba. Touchdown favorite. You've got them in your touchdown

2397
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:20,320
Speaker 4: for the boy. That's four o'clock New Year's Day again.

2398
01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:23,000
Speaker 4: We'll get things started. Quarterfinal wized Wednesday night. I think

2399
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 4: that's gonna be a good game. That Miami Ohio State spread.

2400
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:27,440
Speaker 4: I think it's a little too big. I think it's

2401
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:28,960
Speaker 4: reaching ten points. I think it's a little too big.

2402
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 4: So we'll get things started there with the first quarterfinal

2403
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:35,280
Speaker 4: game on Wednesday. Caleb. He said, Matt's been hanging in

2404
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 4: there for a little while he has. Let's get to

2405
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,240
Speaker 4: him on the airwaves.

2406
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:41,720
Speaker 5: Good morning, Matt, how you doing, Hey guys, Good morning

2407
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:45,160
Speaker 5: from ann Arbor, Michigan, where we've certainly never had any

2408
01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:46,400
Speaker 5: coaching or staffing.

2409
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 1: Issues, no nothing speak of.

2410
01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:50,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I figured chime in on the Colts. Being

2411
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:54,480
Speaker 5: an Indian native, Katie, I know you're your local, so

2412
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:56,160
Speaker 5: you remember the two thousands, and I know it's a

2413
01:55:56,200 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 5: little different because we had a Hall of Fame.

2414
01:55:57,760 --> 01:55:58,640
Speaker 1: Quarterback, but.

2415
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:02,320
Speaker 5: We took advantage seeing the Titans, the Jaggs and the

2416
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:04,880
Speaker 5: Texans on the schedule twice here and sort of saying, oh,

2417
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 5: there's an easy five plus wins, you know, probably for

2418
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:10,560
Speaker 5: what ten years in a row, so sort of how

2419
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:12,800
Speaker 5: far we fall and remembering from that and so instead

2420
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:15,320
Speaker 5: over the past ten years, you know, with Chris Ballard

2421
01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 5: at the Helm, we've had from some of the following

2422
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 5: headlines that I remember one quote a career day for

2423
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:26,160
Speaker 5: Drew Locke against Indianapolis, quote, Davis Mills carves up the

2424
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:30,480
Speaker 5: Colts defense, Taylor Heineke authors a gritty win against the Colts,

2425
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:32,760
Speaker 5: and what a win from Elie Willis. And so I

2426
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:34,520
Speaker 5: was just thinking about it about those that, you know,

2427
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 5: no disrespect to those guys. I certainly wouldn't call them

2428
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:40,720
Speaker 5: Tom Brady's, but I think that's sort of emblematic of

2429
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:43,720
Speaker 5: I would call it the purgatory that this team is

2430
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 5: in right with Chris Ballard at the Helm. And it's

2431
01:56:47,160 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 5: not personal at all. It's just that this guy leads

2432
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:53,360
Speaker 5: an organization and it's his responsibility to feel the football

2433
01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:56,320
Speaker 5: team that can compete and make those sorts of headlines

2434
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:59,760
Speaker 5: not consistent or at least annual. And I look at

2435
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:02,680
Speaker 5: the now in the twenty twenties, far moved from where

2436
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 5: we were in the two thousands, and sort of say,

2437
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:06,120
Speaker 5: what is the identity of this team? You know, what's

2438
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:08,760
Speaker 5: the ability for this team to compete on a basis?

2439
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:11,120
Speaker 5: And is this team considered a threat by anybody else?

2440
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:14,400
Speaker 5: And I don't think so, And so succinctly as I

2441
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:16,480
Speaker 5: can just briefly say why I think that Chris Dallard

2442
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 5: needs to go, And it's simple. It's that they're thirty

2443
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:20,880
Speaker 5: two of these well thirty of these jobs. Because Jerry

2444
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 5: Jones whatever is a GM two, but they thirty one

2445
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:26,480
Speaker 5: of these jobs. Right, That statistically makes me a GM

2446
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 5: in the NFL one of the most hard and challenging

2447
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:31,520
Speaker 5: jobs to obtain, right, I mean, it just is thirty

2448
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:33,360
Speaker 5: two of how many million people live in this country.

2449
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 5: And there are hundreds of NFL assistant gms or front

2450
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:39,720
Speaker 5: office workers waiting for their shot to step into one

2451
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:42,520
Speaker 5: of those jobs. It's the pinnacle of their career. And

2452
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 5: I don't know if any of them are going to work,

2453
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:47,440
Speaker 5: but I know that hiring one of them is the

2454
01:57:47,480 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 5: representation of trying something else to fix a problem that

2455
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:53,160
Speaker 5: you can't figure out. Because here we are again, right

2456
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:54,800
Speaker 5: eight and nine. I think will be at the end

2457
01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:57,040
Speaker 5: of the year, just like last year, just like the

2458
01:57:57,080 --> 01:58:00,920
Speaker 5: year before, you know, consistently with the same problem on

2459
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:03,120
Speaker 5: our hands, and the idea that we can just go

2460
01:58:03,200 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 5: into twenty twenty six. I guess it will be. Which

2461
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 5: is crazy to believe. Saying that we like our guys

2462
01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:10,080
Speaker 5: and we're just a player or two A way is

2463
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:12,839
Speaker 5: I think malpractice, and I think that the only solution

2464
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 5: is to make a change. So anyway, guys, I'll leave

2465
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:17,400
Speaker 5: with that and I'll call you back this time next

2466
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:18,960
Speaker 5: year when we're when we're not going to be in

2467
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:19,600
Speaker 5: the wildcard.

2468
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:22,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Matt, Happy new year. Kyle Winningham right up there

2469
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:26,400
Speaker 4: in an armor? Are there interesting higher for Michigan? And

2470
01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:29,160
Speaker 4: I thought he I'd have been retired.

2471
01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 1: I guess not. After leaving Utah.

2472
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:34,720
Speaker 9: You will come out of retirement for millions of guaranteed money, right, I.

2473
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:37,960
Speaker 1: Could be talked into a lot of things. I think there, Yu,

2474
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:40,280
Speaker 1: you got to get to retirement first, right, Matt hit

2475
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:41,800
Speaker 1: a ton of great points there.

2476
01:58:43,120 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 3: You know.

2477
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:45,200
Speaker 4: I don't know if maybe there's a grand takeway you

2478
01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:47,640
Speaker 4: had in particular James, but I think to go off

2479
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:49,920
Speaker 4: of what he said a little bit early in that conversation,

2480
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 4: I'd say the divisional aspect to it is probably the

2481
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:56,200
Speaker 4: one that's really hard for me to comprehend it. Maybe

2482
01:58:56,240 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 4: Matt's right, Maybe it's because you know, I grew up

2483
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 4: in this market, was use to And again it's not

2484
01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:04,400
Speaker 4: just the Colts dominated the AFC South when its existence

2485
01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 4: began in two thousand and two for so many years.

2486
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean you go back to the.

2487
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:14,240
Speaker 4: Gregsonara they did win sixteen straight AFC South games, sixteen

2488
01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:20,200
Speaker 4: straight and now in Shane seconds three years, they're two

2489
01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:23,080
Speaker 4: to nine against the Jags and the Texans, and guys,

2490
01:59:23,160 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 4: let's not act like the Jags and the Texans have

2491
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:30,440
Speaker 4: been the Eagles over the last three years, or I'm

2492
01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 4: trying to think who else deserves a Buffalo. I don't

2493
01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:34,800
Speaker 4: know whoever has the best record in the NFL of

2494
01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:35,600
Speaker 4: the last three years.

2495
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, like they're not. I mean, this is the Chiefs

2496
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,040
Speaker 9: for years right in their division.

2497
01:59:40,120 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 4: I mean Demiko Rans was hired the same year Shane

2498
01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:45,880
Speaker 4: Sekond was and Liam Cullen was a first year head coach.

2499
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:51,120
Speaker 4: So I think that aspect to it, when you play

2500
01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 4: in the end, I get this year the AFC South

2501
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:53,640
Speaker 4: has been better, of.

2502
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:56,080
Speaker 1: Course, but you play in the lowliest.

2503
01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:59,040
Speaker 4: Division in the AFC, and as you've pointed out James

2504
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:01,200
Speaker 4: throughout the show, ever, everybody in this division has won

2505
02:00:01,240 --> 02:00:04,160
Speaker 4: it now twice since the Colts last won at once.

2506
02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:06,160
Speaker 1: I'll raise you this.

2507
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:09,600
Speaker 9: I believe every other team has won it twice since

2508
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:10,920
Speaker 9: Chris Baller took over.

2509
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty seventeen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean right,

2510
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:19,280
Speaker 1: that's dann. When you look at the quarterbacks that have

2511
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:21,400
Speaker 1: won it, Blake Mortles was one of them.

2512
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:24,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you get into some of those Houston quarterbacks.

2513
02:00:24,280 --> 02:00:26,520
Speaker 4: Oswiler I believe was a quarterback one year. I mean,

2514
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:30,920
Speaker 4: it's just a it's a very humbling and this is

2515
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:33,960
Speaker 4: where the Carly Urth say, Gordon Element, I'm curious about James.

2516
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:35,800
Speaker 1: We did this exercise last week on the show.

2517
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:38,520
Speaker 4: I think both of you two were, I don't know,

2518
02:00:39,160 --> 02:00:41,160
Speaker 4: surprised by it, but it was kind of jarring. Remember

2519
02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:43,800
Speaker 4: when I went through the list of sporting events that

2520
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:46,720
Speaker 4: Lucasola Stadium has had since the Colts last had a

2521
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:49,440
Speaker 4: home playoff game, swim trials I believe was on that list,

2522
02:00:49,600 --> 02:00:52,840
Speaker 4: or just talking our market, like we consider I you

2523
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:56,040
Speaker 4: basketball to have been bad over the last decade, right

2524
02:00:56,120 --> 02:01:00,000
Speaker 4: largely or like whatever notre Dame basketball. I mean, those

2525
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:04,680
Speaker 4: programs have won multiple nca Tournament games since the Colts

2526
02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:08,640
Speaker 4: last hosts at a home playoff game that won financially,

2527
02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:13,440
Speaker 4: James or eyes on your franchise, Like, I don't want

2528
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:15,240
Speaker 4: to act like the Cults are in this like dire

2529
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:19,840
Speaker 4: financial state by any means, but in the NFL landscape,

2530
02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:23,160
Speaker 4: they're not one of the richest, and the amount of

2531
02:01:23,240 --> 02:01:26,040
Speaker 4: primetime eyeball games they get are not.

2532
02:01:26,120 --> 02:01:26,960
Speaker 1: At the top of the list.

2533
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:33,400
Speaker 4: So from an ownership standpoint, missing out on those opportunities

2534
02:01:34,240 --> 02:01:38,000
Speaker 4: now for eleven straight years and watching this city react

2535
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:42,440
Speaker 4: and if you're the RSA daughters and all your kids

2536
02:01:43,200 --> 02:01:45,520
Speaker 4: want to go to the Pacer playoff games, want to

2537
02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:47,880
Speaker 4: go to the Fever playoff games, and they see how

2538
02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:51,360
Speaker 4: this city responded to that run last season.

2539
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:54,960
Speaker 9: Yeah it was special, man, like that that.

2540
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:56,880
Speaker 4: Would get me a little toss and turn in a night.

2541
02:01:57,480 --> 02:01:59,160
Speaker 9: And I know, I just got chills thinking about it

2542
02:01:59,160 --> 02:02:07,000
Speaker 9: because Kevin, the city was on fire during the Pacers run.

2543
02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:10,760
Speaker 9: And granted again, I haven't lived here all my life,

2544
02:02:10,760 --> 02:02:13,000
Speaker 9: so I can't speak to how it was. And Reggie

2545
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:17,280
Speaker 9: was in his heyday, but boy walking into games and

2546
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 9: knowing you had won, a dude, and that you were

2547
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:23,960
Speaker 9: going to win was a different type of feeling. And

2548
02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:27,640
Speaker 9: even for the Fever seeing the rise of that franchise.

2549
02:02:27,680 --> 02:02:29,040
Speaker 9: Granted a lot of it has to do with the

2550
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:33,440
Speaker 9: arrival of Kaitlin Clark, but without her, they still get it.

2551
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:35,200
Speaker 4: It's a totally different sport, different league.

2552
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:35,720
Speaker 1: I get it.

2553
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:39,240
Speaker 9: But they were decimated by injuries and still found a

2554
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:43,560
Speaker 9: way to get to within a game really a quarter

2555
02:02:43,680 --> 02:02:49,120
Speaker 9: overtime period of the WNBA Finals. So yeah, that should

2556
02:02:49,200 --> 02:02:51,240
Speaker 9: keep you up at night. Yeah, that part of it. Again,

2557
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:53,840
Speaker 9: eleven years, I believe, If I haven't correct, I think

2558
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:57,280
Speaker 9: it's twenty five teams I have had a home playoff

2559
02:02:57,320 --> 02:02:59,920
Speaker 9: game since the Colts last have had one.

2560
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:03,400
Speaker 4: That's a big, big number. And you know that part

2561
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:06,480
Speaker 4: of it continuing. And again last year, what you eliminated

2562
02:03:06,520 --> 02:03:08,440
Speaker 4: from the division. I want to say with three weeks left.

2563
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,840
Speaker 4: This year, you're eliminated from the division with two weeks left.

2564
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:13,160
Speaker 4: I think that would add to it all. All right,

2565
02:03:13,200 --> 02:03:14,840
Speaker 4: we'll do it one final time here Fan Morning Show

2566
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:16,200
Speaker 4: ninety three five on a seven to five of the

2567
02:03:16,240 --> 02:03:21,400
Speaker 4: Fan A good Monday morning, Thank you for spending with us.

2568
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:24,280
Speaker 4: Kevin Bowen, James Boyd, and Caleb Zuver will be back

2569
02:03:24,280 --> 02:03:27,520
Speaker 4: with you tomorrow, would assume Rick Carlisle later in the

2570
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:30,400
Speaker 4: show tomorrow, because they are in Houston Tonight's that has some.

2571
02:03:30,440 --> 02:03:33,320
Speaker 1: Late travel back for them.

2572
02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:36,120
Speaker 4: Probably talk a little bit more to college football wise

2573
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:39,240
Speaker 4: and the Rose Bowl. It does seem like Alabama's maybe

2574
02:03:39,240 --> 02:03:42,520
Speaker 4: getting a hair healthier down there. I still look at

2575
02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:46,240
Speaker 4: their overall team and think to myself, Indiana's I think

2576
02:03:46,280 --> 02:03:47,880
Speaker 4: you might have used the word earlier, James, a more

2577
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:50,920
Speaker 4: consistent team they are. I think it's a really good

2578
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:54,560
Speaker 4: way to put it. Like, I just can't bank on out.

2579
02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:56,840
Speaker 4: I mean, Alabama lost the thirteenth best team in the

2580
02:03:56,840 --> 02:03:58,760
Speaker 4: ACC Florida State.

2581
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:01,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I I just can't. I'd be

2582
02:04:01,400 --> 02:04:03,480
Speaker 1: really surprised honestly if Indiana lost the game.

2583
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:08,400
Speaker 9: Yes, and also I think it and then honestly, it

2584
02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:10,720
Speaker 9: comes down to this, with a lot of college football games,

2585
02:04:11,880 --> 02:04:17,480
Speaker 9: can you just avoid the busted coverage, weird momentum swinging

2586
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:20,919
Speaker 9: play because if you make Alabama have to beat you meodically,

2587
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:21,680
Speaker 9: I don't think they can.

2588
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:23,120
Speaker 4: Well, that's the only reason they got back in the

2589
02:04:23,160 --> 02:04:26,760
Speaker 4: game against Oklahoma exactly was the punt and then Oklahoma

2590
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:29,800
Speaker 4: I really gave that game and then the awful pick six.

2591
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:34,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, from there, you avoid the disastrous plays, the weird plays.

2592
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:38,320
Speaker 9: And again it's not a secret, but if you play,

2593
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:40,600
Speaker 9: to use a cliche that coach would like to use,

2594
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:42,320
Speaker 9: if you play your brand of football, you should win

2595
02:04:42,360 --> 02:04:42,800
Speaker 9: that game.

2596
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:45,960
Speaker 4: Going away a Thursday four o'clock for that one New

2597
02:04:46,040 --> 02:04:47,920
Speaker 4: Year's Day, No, we did it earlier.

2598
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:51,280
Speaker 1: But another shout out to Ashton Doolan. I just shout

2599
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:53,960
Speaker 1: out my guy that opening kickoff yesterday.

2600
02:04:54,120 --> 02:04:55,600
Speaker 4: You know he set up I mean, Colts had three

2601
02:04:55,640 --> 02:04:58,520
Speaker 4: scores yesterday and Doolan had two kick returns of over

2602
02:04:58,600 --> 02:04:59,760
Speaker 4: fifty yards to set.

2603
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:00,680
Speaker 1: Up each of them.

2604
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:04,160
Speaker 4: He continues to make plays on punt. I get it's

2605
02:05:04,160 --> 02:05:06,400
Speaker 4: not sexy to talk about as special teamer, but.

2606
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:09,080
Speaker 1: That guy's got a cool NFL story.

2607
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:12,680
Speaker 4: Was it you that tweeted something like if the Colts

2608
02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:15,160
Speaker 4: had fifty three Ashen duelings, they wouldn't be in this

2609
02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:18,680
Speaker 4: position something like that in the exact tweet, but I said, yeah,

2610
02:05:18,720 --> 02:05:20,000
Speaker 4: something along those lines.

2611
02:05:20,040 --> 02:05:23,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, seriously, do you talk about great tenacity,

2612
02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:27,080
Speaker 9: toughness he brings dad, and for a game that again

2613
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:29,760
Speaker 9: was quote unquote meaningless, he played like it meant something.

2614
02:05:30,280 --> 02:05:31,880
Speaker 4: I think they're also trying to take a deep shot

2615
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:34,440
Speaker 4: to him. At one point there it looked like granted,

2616
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:37,960
Speaker 4: Philip rivers and the deep shots. Probably not something that's

2617
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:38,960
Speaker 4: happening too too much.

2618
02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:41,520
Speaker 8: I gotta just throw this in because I was thinking

2619
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:44,400
Speaker 8: about it being at the game yesterday. We're talking a

2620
02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:50,080
Speaker 8: lot today about cleaning house. Potentially if that happens, there's

2621
02:05:50,200 --> 02:05:53,360
Speaker 8: one more thing that I would like to see go

2622
02:05:53,880 --> 02:05:59,400
Speaker 8: or at least tweaked adjusted. Can we retire Blue pyeing

2623
02:05:59,480 --> 02:06:03,440
Speaker 8: people in the face. No, I don't think it's funny anymore.

2624
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:07,000
Speaker 8: You gotta have some twist on it here. Yeah, let's

2625
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:11,160
Speaker 8: just get the opposing team's jersey with somebody sitting down

2626
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:13,360
Speaker 8: and wearing it, and let's just pime in the face

2627
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:16,800
Speaker 8: like I've seen that for as long as Chris Ballard's

2628
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:18,040
Speaker 8: been the general manager.

2629
02:06:19,320 --> 02:06:24,520
Speaker 4: Put a put at Chris Ballard era probably right.

2630
02:06:24,640 --> 02:06:27,280
Speaker 1: But is there anything better than Blue and the allegiant toss?

2631
02:06:27,320 --> 02:06:30,280
Speaker 1: I swear to play quarterback.

2632
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:33,320
Speaker 9: All the opposing beat writers always impressed by that. But

2633
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:36,480
Speaker 9: I'll say this real quick Caleb. I want to say

2634
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:41,000
Speaker 9: Blue might be the most popular NFL mascot is not close,

2635
02:06:41,160 --> 02:06:41,800
Speaker 9: but he's.

2636
02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:44,320
Speaker 4: Gonna cose that if he just like not saying I'm

2637
02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:47,600
Speaker 4: trying to tell you, like I've had serious conversations about this.

2638
02:06:47,880 --> 02:06:51,400
Speaker 4: He's got a huge TikTok call admin and with the admins,

2639
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:53,800
Speaker 4: with the social media team, with the colts, with the

2640
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:58,400
Speaker 4: people who are involved with Blue. Existence. Brother, the pie

2641
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:01,800
Speaker 4: is when they struck Gold. This is like oil in

2642
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:04,520
Speaker 4: I don't know, land man. If you watch that show

2643
02:07:04,600 --> 02:07:07,520
Speaker 4: like they are not going to ever stop doing that

2644
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:10,120
Speaker 4: and people love it, I think it's redundant.

2645
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:12,680
Speaker 9: I think we're probably just too into it. But boy,

2646
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:15,480
Speaker 9: the numbers that I see on those videos they'll never

2647
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:15,920
Speaker 9: stop doing.

2648
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:19,040
Speaker 8: The halftime show is embarrassing. Yesterday, I'm gonna say it.

2649
02:07:19,120 --> 02:07:21,840
Speaker 4: I didn't I love be some trademark. I did not

2650
02:07:21,960 --> 02:07:24,720
Speaker 4: totally follow the halftime show. Granted I wasn't necessarily paying

2651
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:26,520
Speaker 4: attention to it, but it was a lot going on.

2652
02:07:27,240 --> 02:07:29,360
Speaker 1: What was going on, I couldn't really fall I will

2653
02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:29,640
Speaker 1: say this.

2654
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:32,720
Speaker 4: When I saw it was Blues turned to bang the anvilla,

2655
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:35,040
Speaker 4: I leaned over to Mike Chaplin said, I swear Blues

2656
02:07:35,080 --> 02:07:38,920
Speaker 4: bang the anvilla three games, Like, there's nothing that says

2657
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:41,440
Speaker 4: you're eliminated from the playoffs more than blue bang in

2658
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:43,600
Speaker 4: the anvil. Well, you can always call it Johnny Manziel.

2659
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:46,880
Speaker 4: He might show up.

2660
02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:47,240
Speaker 1: Or might not.

2661
02:07:47,880 --> 02:07:50,760
Speaker 4: Talking about guys's playing quarterbacks coming up in week eighteen.

2662
02:07:51,160 --> 02:07:53,280
Speaker 4: That news item could come today, you know, Shane Sechin

2663
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:56,200
Speaker 4: mentioned Tuesday maybe for that, but we'll see. Twenty four

2664
02:07:56,240 --> 02:07:59,400
Speaker 4: hours after the game, he will have his normal Monday

2665
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:03,760
Speaker 4: conference call and we'll see if he indeed decides to

2666
02:08:04,120 --> 02:08:05,040
Speaker 4: name a starter.

2667
02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:07,600
Speaker 9: One more thing and we can get into this tomorrow

2668
02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:09,840
Speaker 9: and throughout later the week. I know you talked a

2669
02:08:09,880 --> 02:08:12,520
Speaker 9: lot about the AFC South and we will have that

2670
02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:14,880
Speaker 9: discussion for years to come into the coach finally won it.

2671
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:17,000
Speaker 9: But one last point I want to make about that

2672
02:08:17,480 --> 02:08:22,000
Speaker 9: whole thing. When you look at who's won it, it

2673
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:26,080
Speaker 9: hasn't even been with the same quarterback, yes, but also

2674
02:08:26,920 --> 02:08:30,480
Speaker 9: the same regimes. I mean you looking at teams like

2675
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:34,160
Speaker 9: the Jaguars and the Texans that have won the division,

2676
02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:39,440
Speaker 9: bottomed out, reset at their general manager, head coach or

2677
02:08:39,480 --> 02:08:43,400
Speaker 9: quarterback position, and won it again, all during the span

2678
02:08:43,480 --> 02:08:44,560
Speaker 9: of Chris Ballard's tenure.

2679
02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:48,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's honestly probably worth looking at the

2680
02:08:48,280 --> 02:08:51,600
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and the head coaches. I was Bill O'Brien the

2681
02:08:51,640 --> 02:08:55,280
Speaker 4: first head coach to get this started. I believe he was.

2682
02:08:55,320 --> 02:08:58,000
Speaker 9: I was actually looking back at Houston and the quarterbacks

2683
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:01,040
Speaker 9: that won the AFC South Back in twenty sixteen when

2684
02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:03,400
Speaker 9: they went nine to seven, they started Brock Oswiler for

2685
02:09:03,400 --> 02:09:05,440
Speaker 9: fourteen games and Tom Savage for two.

2686
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:09,280
Speaker 1: Oh Tom Savage. Shout out to Tom Savage. I did

2687
02:09:09,280 --> 02:09:12,800
Speaker 1: not have that on the Bengo car today, Tom freaking Savage, Pittsburgh.

2688
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:16,040
Speaker 1: It's right for Tom Savage. Maybe it does sound right

2689
02:09:16,280 --> 02:09:18,440
Speaker 1: unbelievable on that front.

2690
02:09:19,680 --> 02:09:24,160
Speaker 4: Gosh, when you put it like that, I mean, boy,

2691
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:28,240
Speaker 4: whoa boa boy? Yeah, I mean there's so many stats

2692
02:09:28,240 --> 02:09:30,960
Speaker 4: that just kind of make you want to all of

2693
02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:33,440
Speaker 4: a sudden ve you're off the road. But you know, the

2694
02:09:33,480 --> 02:09:36,960
Speaker 4: whole starting of eight and two, and then again you

2695
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:39,560
Speaker 4: get thrown a couple of different numbers, but the you know,

2696
02:09:39,600 --> 02:09:41,600
Speaker 4: I just decided to go back to two thousand, Turn

2697
02:09:41,600 --> 02:09:45,400
Speaker 4: of the century ninety six teams to start eight and

2698
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:46,760
Speaker 4: two in a season, and you're the first one to

2699
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:47,080
Speaker 4: miss it.

2700
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:49,280
Speaker 1: And again you missed it.

2701
02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:52,200
Speaker 4: With an extra playoff spot available to you that weren't

2702
02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:54,880
Speaker 4: available to teams from two thousand to twenty nineteen, and

2703
02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:57,680
Speaker 4: you missed it with a full week left in the season.

2704
02:09:58,240 --> 02:10:00,200
Speaker 4: You don't even get to week eighteen. That's it's a

2705
02:10:00,200 --> 02:10:04,800
Speaker 4: historic collapse, no matter how how you slice him. Caleb Zuber,

2706
02:10:04,840 --> 02:10:07,240
Speaker 4: thank you, James Boyd, thank you as always running back

2707
02:10:07,240 --> 02:10:11,600
Speaker 4: to any believe Jeff back Wednesday, Mark back next week again,

2708
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:15,160
Speaker 4: Layla Land for tonight Pacers coverage will begin seven point

2709
02:10:15,160 --> 02:10:17,640
Speaker 4: thirty down there in Houston. It is an eight o'clock

2710
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:20,240
Speaker 4: tip with the Rockets, a little bit healthier for the Pacers.

2711
02:10:20,240 --> 02:10:23,440
Speaker 4: Purdue back in action, seven o'clock tip, big ten plus

2712
02:10:23,800 --> 02:10:27,040
Speaker 4: with Kent State. Everybody have a great, great Monday. Kevin

2713
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:29,680
Speaker 4: Bow and James Boyd. Caleb Zuber signing off.