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Speaker 1: The beat writer for the Colts for the Indianapolis start,

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Speaker 1: and he joins us on the Java House Peel and

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Speaker 1: poor guest line, and that is Joel A.

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Speaker 2: Erickson.

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Speaker 1: Joel, now that your brewers are out, are you still

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Speaker 1: following the postseason?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I always. I'm I'm a pretty big baseball fan,

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Speaker 3: so I always watched the World Series.

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Speaker 1: And you're rooting for which team, Blue Jayson, That is

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Speaker 1: the correct answer, Yes, that is the correct answer.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: I also know that the beer Fery has promised you

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Speaker 1: a delivery of perhaps some sort of a Canadian beer

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Speaker 1: should they win it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, so that factors, and I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: That does help. That does help.

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Speaker 4: But the.

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Speaker 3: Only complicating factor is that Alex call the reserve Dodgers outfielders,

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Speaker 3: played at ball State, and I know some of the

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Speaker 3: people he's close to, so I'd like to see Alex

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Speaker 3: too well, but also Blue Jayson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: The other curve ball to this is the beer Faery

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Speaker 1: doesn't pay tariffs, so the Canadian beer thing going to

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Speaker 1: be tricky. Just so you know, that's my understanding. Beer

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Speaker 1: Fairy very stingy Okay Colts injury report there are three

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Speaker 1: that are still presumably worth keeping an eye on. Samson,

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Speaker 1: Ebicom Taekwan Lewis and Anthony Gould. Where do we stand

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Speaker 1: right now? And is there anybody I'm missing there?

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Speaker 3: It sounds like it sounds like those three they're not

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Speaker 3: going to practice today. I think by now most you

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Speaker 3: know NFL fans, though, if you don't practice on Wednesday

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean much. Shaane's taken sounded at least, you know,

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Speaker 3: kind of vaguely optimistic about those three. Maybe you know

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Speaker 3: he was saying it basically, don't rule him out for

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Speaker 3: the game just yet, was the takeaway I got from it.

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Speaker 3: The other one I think that's one to watch is

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Speaker 3: Jalen Jones at corner. You know that he didn't say,

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Speaker 3: you know, we're definitely gonna activate him or anything like that,

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Speaker 3: but this is the second week since he's been put

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Speaker 3: on there. They could use some help in the secondary.

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Speaker 3: That's that's somebody else.

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Speaker 1: I look at Joel at both units, Joela ericson Indie Stow,

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Speaker 1: our guest, Joba House Peel and poor guest line if

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Speaker 1: both units are entire healthy, talking about pass rush on

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Speaker 1: the D line and then talking about the defensive backfield.

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Speaker 1: If both groups are entirely healthy, which is a better

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Speaker 3: I think the secondary is the better unit. I just

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Speaker 3: have I have such a concerns with the edge rush

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Speaker 3: because we've seen them mostly healthy for basically the entire season.

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Speaker 3: We haven't seen that with the secondary because of the

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Speaker 3: corner injuries. I think Mooney Ward obviously changes that group considerably,

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Speaker 3: and so yeah, I think I think I would lean

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Speaker 3: towards I think I would lean towards I like the

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Speaker 1: The Do you anticipate that there will be a trade?

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Speaker 1: I mean everybody's you know, the Colts are kind of

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Speaker 1: the epicenter of the football world in terms of speculation

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Speaker 1: about a trade deadline move because I think people think

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Speaker 1: they are maybe the best team in the league, but

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Speaker 1: that there is this perceived glaring void talking about the

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Speaker 1: pass rush. But do you think the Colts brass sees

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Speaker 3: I think they want to make a move. I think

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Speaker 3: they want to make a move for somebody who upgrades

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Speaker 3: the who upgrades the defense, whether it's a corner or

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Speaker 3: pass rus I don't think it matters so much as

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Speaker 3: somebody who's a clear upgrade. The question is is somebody

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Speaker 3: deals that were made yesterday. The deals that were made

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Speaker 3: yesterday was essentially two Patriots, the Patriots dumping two guys

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Speaker 3: that Mike Vrabel didn't want. You know, one of them

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Speaker 3: but other than but they weren't playing him. They're just

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Speaker 3: the NFL trade deadline, where there's a ton of names

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Speaker 3: it feels like to me, it just feels like we

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Speaker 3: But whether or not it works out, that's hard to predict.

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Speaker 1: The numbers in terms, And I get if you're making

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Speaker 1: Joel a ericson our guest if they make a move,

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Speaker 1: for example, at edge Rush, Okay, you're getting somebody probably

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Speaker 1: Because if you look at Aiden Hutchinson, for example, in Detroit,

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Speaker 1: I was stunned when I saw and he's a very

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Speaker 1: very good player. Hutchinson for Detroit one of the best

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Speaker 1: in terms of edge, you know, pass rush in particular,

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Speaker 1: defensive line help. Four year, one hundred and eighty million. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Colts ain't looking to go and get somebody like that,

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Speaker 1: But do they, Joel and I don't know the answer

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think so, because you

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Speaker 3: can just restructure somebody's deal if you need to, or

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Speaker 3: a couple of people's deals if you need to. I

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Speaker 3: they had talked about being in on Trey Hendrickson in

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Speaker 3: the offseason. If you're if you're willing to do that,

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's a signal that you're out, You're

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Speaker 3: okay with the money if the right player is up. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't think the money is necessarily a big issue.

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Speaker 2: If you're the Colts. Does Pittsburgh worry you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so, base I Their defense is terrible.

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Speaker 3: Their defense is absolutely terrible, and I think the Colts

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Speaker 3: should be like the Colts offense versus the Pittsburgh defense

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Speaker 3: is a huge mismatch. But Rogers is playing well enough

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Speaker 3: like the Colts in most shootouts, but in terms of

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Speaker 3: you know, should you be should you be worried about them? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think you get concerned about a quarterback who Also

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Speaker 3: The other thing is MEUNO does a lot of different

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Speaker 2: I just I don't disagree with that, Joe.

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Speaker 1: But I guess the reason I ask it is this,

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Speaker 1: it is not about even worrying about or adjusting to opponent.

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Speaker 1: And I know you're gonna do that, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: but it almost feels like now the cults are at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I think I think the thing is

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Speaker 3: Colts are a favorite in this game because I don't

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Speaker 3: From the From the Colt's perspective, I think they obviously

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Speaker 3: that offense the way it's playing, Joel.

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Speaker 1: When I look at like in the postgame videos that

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Speaker 1: you see with Shane Stikeen and his team, right, Shane

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Speaker 1: Stikeen feels right now like a coach that is pushing

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Speaker 1: that he's leading this group. Now, did Shane Stiken truly

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Speaker 3: I think I think it's a combination of both. I

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Speaker 3: think the thing that sticks out to me with Stiken specifically,

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Speaker 3: But the slip side of that is, would he feel

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Speaker 1: By the way, do you think Minnesota ever thinks to themselves,

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Speaker 3: I think. I think if you're Minnesota right now and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean honestly, right, like, how do you not

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Speaker 3: Have to especially because it feels like everyone kind of

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Speaker 1: Go with the I would I would even go so

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Speaker 2: Carson Wentz, even with Carson Wentz is an option.

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Speaker 1: You had to think that, right, I mean, yeah, both

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, by light years, by light years you're watching,

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Speaker 1: All right, Lastly, Joel, because I know the locker rooms

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Speaker 1: about to open up. Joel ericson Indie Star. Uh, the

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Speaker 1: thing that you're working on is you're getting ready to

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Speaker 1: go in and you are, you know, skulking around in

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Speaker 1: terms of today and the angle in which you're going

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Speaker 1: other than the injuries for the Colts, give me the

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Speaker 1: storyline you have your eye on.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at Tanner Bordleani right now, I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: Ralph Freef. Ralph, how are you?

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Speaker 6: I'm doing very well, Jake, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's begin with this. I I was talking about this, Ralph,

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Speaker 6: And I realized that he's got some stress reaction in

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Speaker 1: Okay, And the when I think of the bone, Ralph,

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Speaker 6: Well, we keep things simple, and so, you know, another

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Speaker 6: No, there is a standard that I like to use

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Speaker 6: There's a lot. There's a lot that got compressed out

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, Ralph. Along those lines, people are

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Speaker 1: listening that you know, are just going to work every day,

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Speaker 1: you get the kids going to school and you know,

437
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Speaker 1: in life in general, right, and they're not professional athletes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a professional athlete. You're not a

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Speaker 1: professional athlete. But what I'm getting there from what you're

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Speaker 1: saying is, aside from the beauty of the fun of

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Speaker 1: being able to hear seagulls on the beach, for those

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Speaker 1: of us that are fortunate enough to be able to

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Speaker 1: do so, it sounds to me like what you're saying, Ralph,

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Speaker 1: is there is a component where it is good for

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Speaker 1: the human body to occasionally, you know, once a year,

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Speaker 1: or if you're fortunate enough, twice a year or so,

447
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Speaker 1: to just get away and take say a week to

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Speaker 1: get away from things. Is that a fair statement.

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Speaker 6: It's the very fair statement, you know. And I heard

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Speaker 6: it within your own colleagues of when the NBA season

451
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Speaker 6: was opening and you're putting pacer games on your network

452
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Speaker 6: and whether it's Christenary or Mark Boyle or anybody saying, wow,

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Speaker 6: here we are again, that was quick, right, And so

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Speaker 6: it compresses everybody, and how how that translates to the

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Speaker 6: elite athlete body that has to perform in October at

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Speaker 6: an elite level when they're they weren't maybe looking forward

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Speaker 6: to camp with the same enthusiasm and anticipation as if

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Speaker 6: they had been beaten in the second round and have

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Speaker 6: a chip on their shoulder.

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Speaker 1: Ralph one of the things that when we look at

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Speaker 1: Ralphrief as our guest ralphreef dot com, the website r

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Speaker 1: eiff the sticking with the Pacers before we moved to

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Speaker 1: the colts here. I have been very curious to watch

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Jackson because he was an elite level springboard type player.

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Speaker 1: He had an achilles injury. He is back from said

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Speaker 1: injury and it's only you know, we're inside of five games.

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Speaker 1: He I have been watching it because I've been curious

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Speaker 1: to see it. I know everybody is different, but because

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Speaker 1: Tyrese Haliburt is going to be coming back from the

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Speaker 1: same injury, I have been curious to see how much

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Speaker 1: athleticism it would appear Isaiah Jackson may have lost due

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Speaker 1: to the achilles or the time away. What is a

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Speaker 1: fair amount of time to allow him to play before

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Speaker 1: we can truly assess what and where he is going

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Speaker 1: to be well.

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Speaker 6: That's a lot of times in recovery from those types

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Speaker 6: of injuries, whether it's an anti rer cruciate ligament, a

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Speaker 6: major joint injury right, or major soft tissue like the

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Speaker 6: Achilles tendanter. There were often put into a situation in

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Speaker 6: professional sports for pay for play, where there's sometimes we

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Speaker 6: have to get back in, get the athlete back in

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Speaker 6: to play into shape and the body learning how to

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Speaker 6: adjust to the rigor of play. As I said last

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Speaker 6: week or a couple of weeks ago, we have yet

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Speaker 6: to reproduce game emotion, game level speed in a machine.

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Speaker 6: We can't. We can't get him at that level until

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Speaker 6: we get him at that level, so to speak. And

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Speaker 6: so we can't put Isaiah Jackson in a game like

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Speaker 6: situation until he's in games. And then at that point

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Speaker 6: he accelerates his level of play neurologically, physically, emotionally, and

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Speaker 6: then now the body starts to become acclimatized to that.

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Speaker 6: And so playing into his normal hops all right is

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Speaker 6: going to take some time. His body needs to feel it,

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Speaker 6: understand it, and then make these micro adjustments. And we've

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Speaker 6: seen it over and over again that somebody sort of

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Speaker 6: comes out of the gate a little less than they were.

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Speaker 6: But the only way you can get there is in

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Speaker 6: gameplay as.

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Speaker 1: Part of that psychological you know, just in terms of

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Speaker 1: I think I've mentioned you before, Ralph that I know

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned it on the radio, probably enough that people

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Speaker 1: are tired of hearing it. But you know, when I

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Speaker 1: came back from with cardio rehab, it was so to me.

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Speaker 1: I remember going into cardio rehab and being like, I

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Speaker 1: don't need to be here. I just ran forty miles

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Speaker 1: like two weeks ago, and then I'm like, well, you

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Speaker 1: know what though I'm a cardio patient here right and

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Speaker 1: psychologically speaking, I was so worried about the health of

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Speaker 1: my heart and to be able to have them look

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Speaker 1: at it and see me on a treadmill and get

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Speaker 1: the pieces a mind of no, you are on the

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Speaker 1: right path here. Psychologically it was so big because my

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Speaker 1: brain was telling my body to slow down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Is there an element of that that also comes into play,

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Speaker 1: say with an Isaiah Jackson or any player coming off injury.

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Speaker 6: Yes, So, within the realm of sports psychology behavioral psychology,

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Speaker 6: there is a part of that practice that takes an

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Speaker 6: athlete with an injury and their return to play. That

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Speaker 6: evaluates and mentors that athlete on their level of confidence.

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Speaker 6: And it's very public. Again, there's been lots of things

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Speaker 6: written on this, lots of talks. Doctor Adam Shank, who's

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Speaker 6: a great sports psychologist here in the Indianapolis area, uses

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Speaker 6: that tool. We used it at about the University. I'm

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Speaker 6: sure he uses it and it really gives feedback to

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Speaker 6: the Apple as to well, I think I'm ready, but boy,

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Speaker 6: as I go through this evaluation process, hey, doc, I realize, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm holding back a little bitter. I've got some fears.

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Speaker 6: Let's work through that. And that's the value of a

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Speaker 6: sports psychologists. So there are you have to gain your confidence.

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Speaker 6: I was up at ball State this morning with Coachy

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Speaker 6: Rimovich and their staff for practice and he showed a

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Speaker 6: clip of Kobe Bryant talking about preparing himself from a

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Speaker 6: very early age and it was about just out working

534
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Speaker 6: everybody and getting your reps to the point to where

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Speaker 6: it becomes subconscious, and that's where you have to get back.

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Speaker 6: You can't go on the court thinking about boy, this

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Speaker 6: feels like that. That was the move I made right

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Speaker 6: before I tore my achilles a year ago, or hey,

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Speaker 6: I got bumped going into the lane on this You've

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Speaker 6: got to get rid of those thoughts. And the only

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Speaker 6: way you can get rid of those thoughts is play

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Speaker 6: a game and have professional support sports psychology to help

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Speaker 6: along the way.

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Speaker 1: Taekwon Lewis of the Colts. Ralph is still not practicing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's practiced yet today, but he

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Speaker 1: has not yet this week with the groin injury. Typical

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Speaker 1: time frame I know we've talked about groins before. Typical

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Speaker 1: time frame for something like that in a general vacuum

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Speaker 1: would be.

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Speaker 6: What really tough to answer, Jake. And so you know,

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Speaker 6: if and I don't know if he's a repeat offender,

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Speaker 6: if he's had this injury before over the last couple

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Speaker 6: of years, that would sometimes shorten the return to play.

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Speaker 6: But again it's it's such a critical component to single

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Speaker 6: leg stance and being able to rotate over your hips

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Speaker 6: and so forth. But two to four weeks it would

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Speaker 6: be the window that I would put on it of

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Speaker 6: of being somewhat normalizing would be two to four weeks

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Speaker 6: from date of injury.

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Speaker 2: Ralph.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, you mentioned something that jumped

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Speaker 1: out at me about Obie top and just in general

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Speaker 1: foot injuries or foot pain, et cetera. One of the

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Speaker 1: things I like about having you on here is, like

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Speaker 1: I said, very few of us, you know, obviously, nobody

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Speaker 1: on the radio right now talking has been a professional athlete, right,

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Speaker 1: and very few get to that level. But the number

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Speaker 1: of people that are listening that have kids, adolescents, maybe

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Speaker 1: high schoolers, maybe even young kids that are trying out

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Speaker 1: sports for the first time. And now we know about

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Speaker 1: you know, year round sports and all of that. And

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Speaker 1: when you get kids that are eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen

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Speaker 1: years old, the foot's still growing. You're having to over

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Speaker 1: the course of a basketball season maybe even buy shoes

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Speaker 1: twice because the foot has grown. I know this sounds

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Speaker 1: ridiculous to ask it this elementary, but if you are

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Speaker 1: a parent with a young person who is playing basketball, football,

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Speaker 1: whatever sport it may be, and you're buying cleats, tennis, shoes,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, and the kid is still growing, what are

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Speaker 1: the things that you want to look for in terms

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Speaker 1: of making sure that you are doing what you can

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Speaker 1: to be preventative from preventing you know, about these sorts

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Speaker 1: of an injury or this sort of a stress over

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Speaker 1: the course of time on a still growing aspect of

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Speaker 1: the body.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, great question, and I say, have the footwear that's

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Speaker 6: appropriate for the sport. Example, don't wear a running shoe

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Speaker 6: and a cutting sport. Don't go soccer practice with a

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Speaker 6: running shoe. They're too soft, they're too flexible, they don't

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Speaker 6: support the foot. And so having the appropriate footwear for

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Speaker 6: the court, the turf, the grass, jumping, side to side

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Speaker 6: movement is critical. So that's that having the right right

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Speaker 6: shoe for the activity.

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Speaker 3: And then and.

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Speaker 6: I've done this for years, is I buy an accessory

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Speaker 6: insole that is typically better than the insole that comes

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Speaker 6: with the shoe. And there are a number of companies

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Speaker 6: that buy, you know, off the shelf insoles and making

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Speaker 6: sure the arch is supported and also the ball the

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Speaker 6: foot so that it's got a soft landing.

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Speaker 1: And do you want it being like a tight fixture

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Speaker 1: on the foot itself or do you want room inside

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Speaker 1: the shoe for the foot to move around as you move?

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Speaker 6: All based on comfort And unfortunately, I think a soccer immediately,

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Speaker 6: you know, our soccer athletes have a tendency to need

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Speaker 6: the shoehorn their foot into the soccer shoe and they'll

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Speaker 6: they'll have them on, they'll dip them in water and

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Speaker 6: then have them dry with it so that it fits

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Speaker 6: like a glove. And sometimes that puts a little bit

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Speaker 6: of pressure on the foot structure. But I think our

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Speaker 6: friend Alex Core and others would say, make sure that

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Speaker 6: toebox has plenty of room for the toes. Those pigley wigglies.

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Speaker 6: Make sure they got room to breathe.

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Speaker 1: You know what Alex says, There's no business like tow business, Right, Ralph,

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Speaker 1: A pleasure as always. I'll let you get back to

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Speaker 1: making your spam for lunch. Amen, brother Ralph free joining

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Speaker 1: us on the Java House Peel and Port guest line.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of gift basket, Sometimes storylines just are gifted right

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Speaker 1: there before your very eyes, like for example, this weekend,

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Speaker 1: I was scrolling ESPN dot com, one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: obviously websites like most of you, and as I'm scrolling along,

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Speaker 1: I see a headline that says, essentially and it is

624
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Speaker 1: so weird when you talk about college football to think

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Speaker 1: that Indiana and Vanderbilt are two of the major storylines.

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Speaker 1: But those were in the headline and a column written

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Speaker 1: by Davi at Hal who covers ACC but also college

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Speaker 1: football for ESPN dot Com. And I said, this is

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Speaker 1: a guy I want on the show, and he joins us.

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Speaker 1: Now on the Java House, Peel and poor guest line, David,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 4: I am well, I am excited to be joining folks

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Speaker 4: in the land of my old pal Daniel Indiana Jones.

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Speaker 4: I support him and all of his his people out there.

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Speaker 4: Glad to get part of that.

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Speaker 1: Let's begin with this, Actually, Daniel Jones. You know you've

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Speaker 1: covered the ACC in Duke football and you've seen him,

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Speaker 1: and then of course he was on the East Coast

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Speaker 1: in New York with the Giants. Are you surprised by

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing from Daniel Jones?

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Speaker 4: Well? As an Eagles fan, I grew up an Eagles fan,

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Speaker 4: and I think anybody who gets away from the Giants

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Speaker 4: you expect big things from after that. So that goes

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Speaker 4: without saying. But now, look, Daniel Jones is a very

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Speaker 4: athletic guy. And it's funny. You know, there was the

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Speaker 4: I think it was his rookie year to play where

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Speaker 4: he just kind of got tripped by the turf Monster

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Speaker 4: and it became sort of this meme of oh, Daniel

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Speaker 4: Jones is just this awkward, you know, weird white guys

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Speaker 4: who can't really run. No, he's a really good athlete,

651
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Speaker 4: and he's a really really smart guy with a very

652
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Speaker 4: good arm, and so put into a system where you're

653
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Speaker 4: not asking him to be everything. To me, it was

654
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 4: a no brainer. And I felt like he was a

655
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 4: guy who was, you know, pretty underrated during his time

656
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 4: with the Giants because he was always sort of playing

657
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 4: with one hand tie behind his back in a program

658
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 4: that just it's not had great coaching, it's not had

659
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 4: a lot of great talent around him, and they're in

660
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 4: a division where they've been out talented by at least

661
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Speaker 4: one and usually two teams on an annual basis. So look,

662
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: the situation that he's in now is terrific. I'm not

663
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 4: you know, I'm surprised by how good it's been, but

664
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Speaker 4: I'm not surprised that he's found new life with some

665
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 4: fresh scenery.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's an advantage? And I do want

667
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Speaker 1: to talk about your your college columns. You have several

668
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: things that are that jumped out at me, David, But

669
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Speaker 1: do you think there is an advantage in being somebody

670
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Speaker 1: at the quarterbacking position that is coming out of a

671
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Speaker 1: non blue blood. In other words, you know, if you're

672
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Speaker 1: quarterbacking at Duke, it's not like you're throwing to the

673
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Speaker 1: receivers that Trevor Lawrence was throwing to ed Clemson, right,

674
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Speaker 1: or that a lot of quarterbacks at Alabama have are

675
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Speaker 1: afforded the opportunity to throw to Does that help a guy,

676
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Speaker 1: do you think when they get to the league.

677
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Speaker 4: You know, I think it can.

678
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Speaker 3: Be a double edged sword.

679
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Speaker 4: And I'll point out it's not just that Daniel Jones

680
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 4: was at Duke. I mean, he was a non scholarship

681
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 4: guy when he got to Duke. David cut Cliff is

682
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 4: one of the only people who truly believed in him.

683
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Speaker 4: But when the guy who believes in you also was

684
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: the guy who coached the first two Manning brothers, you know,

685
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 4: that's not a bad guy to have in your corner.

686
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Speaker 4: And I do think it, you know, particularly at a

687
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Speaker 4: program like Duke, where there is the understanding of every

688
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: coach who has been there is Talent is not our advantage,

689
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: but intelligence is. And so I think you learn the

690
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 4: position and you learn the intricacies of it. I remember

691
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 4: way back in what seven six eight, talking to the

692
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 4: late great John Clayton about Matt and Matt Ryan's numbers

693
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: were not great at the time, and he's like, well, yeah,

694
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 4: but have you looked at who he's playing with? And

695
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 4: that was sort of a very reasonable point. Matt Ryan

696
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 4: turned out to be a pretty darn good quarterback by

697
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 4: elevating next to nothing at Boston College when he was there.

698
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that there is now the flip

699
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 4: side of that is the NFL is a different animal

700
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: and you are going to be surrounded by elite talent,

701
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Speaker 4: and I think you need to also know how to

702
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Speaker 4: deal with those guys. You know, again I mentioned I'm

703
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 4: a Eagles fan, Like there's you're not going to run

704
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 4: into AJ Brown's when you're at Duke, and as a quarterback,

705
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 4: you know, being able to work with someone like AJ

706
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Speaker 4: Brown and manage that personality and the expectations that come

707
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 4: with it, like, you've got to be prepared for that too.

708
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Speaker 4: So I think there's there's there's certainly pluses and minuses

709
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Speaker 4: to it. But I do say when you go when

710
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: you play for David Cutcliff and you play at a

711
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 4: program like Duke, You're not coming out of there an idiot.

712
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Speaker 4: There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: David, can we have you as a weekly guest. We're

714
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Speaker 1: like two minutes in and I can already tell right,

715
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Speaker 1: I'll the the overall well everything about it, right. I

716
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: like the perspectives, I like the local tie in, and

717
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Speaker 1: that leads me to this. You have a column at

718
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Speaker 1: ESPN dot com you write about college football, and I

719
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Speaker 1: want to read an excerpt of what you wrote, because

720
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Speaker 1: I think it's great. Talking about the Heisman candidacy of

721
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza of Indiana, you say the only potential pitfall

722
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Speaker 1: for Mendoza now is that many Heisman voters had not

723
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: previously been aware Indiana had a football program and are

724
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: very confused about why he doesn't play for Texas. Now

725
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: that that leads to this question, do you believe that

726
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Speaker 1: nationally speaking people truly believe that Indiana is for real?

727
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Speaker 4: I think so, and I certainly wouldn't have said this

728
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Speaker 4: last year. You know, I think there's there's always been

729
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 4: year in and year out in college football. We have

730
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Speaker 4: the quote unquote Cinderella story that the feel good team,

731
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 4: and Indiana was largely that last year. You think back to,

732
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Speaker 4: I mean, the TCU team in twenty twenty two, it

733
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 4: pulled out one miracle after another and got all the

734
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 4: way to the National Championship Game. But I think the

735
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 4: folks who watched college football and really know the game

736
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 4: always sort of can differentiate between, Hey, that team got

737
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 4: lucky a few games, had a relatively easy schedule, some

738
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 4: good matchups for them, great great story, they've played, punched

739
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 4: above their weight, good story. But they're not gonna win.

740
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 4: They're not gonna win at all. They're not as good

741
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Speaker 4: as the true blue bloods of the game, the Georgia's

742
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 4: of the Bamas, the Ohio States. And again, I think

743
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 4: that was certainly the case for Indiana last year, where

744
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 4: they took a lot of flak for not having played

745
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 4: a particularly difficult schedule. But this year's Indiana team, and

746
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Speaker 4: I say this, you mentioned Vanderbilt off the top, I

747
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 4: think they're in this conversation too there. I think they

748
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 4: have proven there more than capable of playing with anyone.

749
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Speaker 4: They have legitimate NFL talent on this Indiana roster, Like

750
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 4: this isn't a bunch of guys who were overachieving. This

751
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 4: is guys who are largely doing what they should be

752
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 4: doing because they're really talented. And when you go out

753
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 4: to Oregon and you win in an environment like that

754
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 4: against the team that's got probably a dozen nflers that

755
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 4: are playing regular snaps for them, Like that tells me

756
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: that this is a team that is capable of winning

757
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: any game. And then the flip side of that is

758
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: you start looking around college football at who those blue

759
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 4: bloods are and yeah, I made a little joke about

760
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 4: Texas in there. Texas ain't good. Texas has gone to

761
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 4: overtime two weeks in a row with teams that are

762
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 4: one in twenty eight in SEC play over the last

763
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 4: two years. Like what does that tell you about Texas?

764
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 4: Alabama lost to Florida State and the opener like these

765
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 4: are not I think the great teams are still very good,

766
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 4: but instead of being like an A plus completely lapping

767
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 4: the field, they're just a little better than everybody else.

768
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 4: And everybody else has gotten a little better too, particularly

769
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 4: if you're a program that's willing to invest money, which

770
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 4: Indiana is, and has a good coach and a good

771
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 4: coaching staff, which Indiana does. And so I think you

772
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 4: add all of this up and just the narrative that

773
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 4: we're used to in college football because it has been

774
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 4: the blueprint or as long as most of us have

775
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 4: probably been watching the sport, I think it has markedly changed.

776
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 3: Now.

777
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: Is it changed for the long haul or will it

778
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 4: kind of the pendulum slipped back. I think they're the

779
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: rich tend to stay getting richer for a reason. But

780
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 4: Indiana is sort of the proof in the pudding of

781
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 4: like this this can work? Now?

782
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: Is this David?

783
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: When when you analyze Indiana and you talk about, for example,

784
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: you know there are NFL players on the roster with Indiana,

785
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: some of those guys might not have been NFL prospects

786
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: when they got to Indiana. I don't know if that's

787
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, opportunity, maybe that's Kurt Signetti. Maybe it's a

788
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: combination of both. But it seems to me like if

789
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: you look at Indiana and Vanderbilt, I mean Vanderbilt, really,

790
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: if you look at those programs. Am I correct in

791
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: this statement? Kudos to the way that they went about

792
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: and Scott Dolson and Indiana went about the business of

793
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: turning it around and getting Kurt Signetti and investing. But

794
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: the storm was perfect for Indiana. I can't speak to

795
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt and their approach, but for Indiana, it was the

796
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: perfect storm of the nil and the transfer portal availability

797
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: era and Indiana was the team that was sitting there

798
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: looking for an opening in the left lane, and it

799
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: finally came open and they blew past a bunch of

800
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: people and merged right back in and did so, merging

801
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: in with the blue Bloods. Is Indiana taking advantage of

802
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: an opportunity and it's now too late for others to

803
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: take that same advantage.

804
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, this is fun.

805
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 4: I've had numerous conversations because as a journalist like I

806
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 4: would like to know my day is going to look

807
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 4: like when I wake.

808
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: Up most of the time.

809
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: But you talked to like ads and coaches and they'll

810
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: tell you chaos equals opportunity. And kudos to Indiana because

811
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 4: they understood what was happening in the sport when I

812
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 4: don't think everybody else did and pounced upon that opportunity.

813
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 4: And again, I just the opportunity wasn't there before.

814
00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: I mean it used to be.

815
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: I mean I'm not naive enough to suggest no one

816
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 4: was paying players, but it used to be where paying

817
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: players was not an easy thing to do, and so

818
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 4: that the the advantages that other schools had were geography

819
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 4: and money for facilities and coaches and stuff like that. Well,

820
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 4: you can't change your geography, and building buildings takes a

821
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 4: whole lot of money and a long lot of years,

822
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 4: and it doesn't guarantee you a whole lot of anything.

823
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: But being able to open up a check book and

824
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 4: say how much do you need? That gets the job

825
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 4: done quickly. And Indiana, to their credit, bought into a

826
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 4: new system. But that, you know, the flip side of

827
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 4: that is too, like, look at what's happening in North

828
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 4: Carolina right now and Bill Belichick and it's a disaster

829
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 4: and it doesn't mean it can't work, but it's not

830
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 4: working now. And this was a little bit of Carolina

831
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 4: being like, oh, here's our opportunity. Let's go get this guy.

832
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 4: You've got to get the right guy, and they've got

833
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 4: to come in with the right approach, and they've got

834
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 4: to be the right fit for what you're doing. And

835
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 4: Signetti is all of that. Signette is a guy who

836
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 4: wants the punch up. He wants to come in with

837
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 4: a chip on his shoulder and prove himself against the

838
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 4: big guys who think he was never worth it in

839
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 4: the first place. Like he is the perfect fit for Indiana.

840
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 4: Indiana made their moves at the right time, and the

841
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 4: world the college football universe. The stars aligned and the

842
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 4: door opened and they walked right through.

843
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: By the way. You taught at Eastern Kentucky? Is that right?

844
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 4: That was a long time ago, but I had. I

845
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 4: got a solid three semesters in there before either they

846
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,479
Speaker 4: wised up or I got another job. I can't remember

847
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 4: which name was.

848
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: Did you ever just out of curiosia? Did you ever

849
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: drink al eight when you were there?

850
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: Oh?

851
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 4: God, yes, yes bye. Girlfriend at the time, wife now

852
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 4: hated them, but I would make us get them every

853
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 4: now and.

854
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: Again, and you still got married.

855
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 4: Well, we disagree on everything else too. That was a

856
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 4: load on the list.

857
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: Now, what year did you graduate from University of Delaware?

858
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 4: Now, you're really making me feel old. I graduated in one,

859
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 4: and then I went back and got a mess. There's

860
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: agree community in journalism at Stricus and five.

861
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I'm going to make you feel young now.

862
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: In ninety three, Delaware played in the first round of

863
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament against Louisville at the Hoosier Dome, and

864
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: I went down for practice and I met two dudes

865
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: from Delaware that had driven all night just to come

866
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: to the game, and so I'm like, where are you

867
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: guys staying. They're like, dude, we have no idea. We

868
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: just drove in and go, well, you're staying at our house.

869
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: I was my parents, I mean I was in college myself,

870
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: so my parents put them up for the weekend, and

871
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: then the president of the University of Delaware made me

872
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: an honorary Blue hen for what that's worth.

873
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: True story that.

874
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 4: This is, it's like it's like finding a leprechaun or

875
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: something like that.

876
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: You hope him up funny, you should mention. Okay, back

877
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Speaker 1: to Indiana real quick. I'm curious of this, and I

878
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: was worried that the rest of the country was going

879
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: to see it this way. There certain college football programs,

880
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 1: David that I call them IKEA programs and other words.

881
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: They look really really good when they're from Afar, and

882
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: then you really break it down and you're like, yeah,

883
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: this is actually just a bunch of like plastic parts

884
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: that are put together. Nothing against Ikea, but you get

885
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying where they Texas Tech falls into this

886
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: category for me, like they look really good every year,

887
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: and then by the end of the year, You're like, yeah,

888
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: they're an ALAM ball team. Okay, fine, you know what

889
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: I mean. Give me a couple of teams that you

890
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: in your mind that you categorize this year with Indiana

891
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: in terms of how solid they are.

892
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, Texas Tech's are good.

893
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 4: Ikea analogy because it's you assemble it like one of

894
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 4: those bookshelves, Like it was just like, I don't know

895
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 4: if these pieces fit right totally totally, you know, I

896
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 4: will say I am relatively sold on what Alabama.

897
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: Looks like now.

898
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 4: Like Ty Simpson, they ran into Florida State at the

899
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 4: absolute wrong time, and I think in some ways they're

900
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 4: better as a result of it. I think they're very good.

901
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 4: I think Miami is very good, and yet they're gonna

902
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 4: be playing to an inside straight in the acc let

903
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 4: alone in the larger.

904
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 3: Landscape of things.

905
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: But I always kind of go back to three things.

906
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 4: Are you good on both sides of the line of scrimmage?

907
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 4: And do you have your quarterback? And if you've got

908
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 4: those three things that can play at a high level,

909
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 4: I think you can make the rest work. And Miami's

910
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 4: got a potentially high level quarterback and they're very good

911
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 4: on both sides of the line of scrimmage, and then

912
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 4: you know, look, I Ohio State, I'm going to go

913
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 4: ahead and say is really good until we see them

914
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 4: actually play somebody really good. You know, like this weekend

915
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: they're gonna play Penn State. And this was a game

916
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 4: in August you would have said with a season defining game,

917
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 4: it means nothing now, So you know, I just there,

918
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 4: they're so talented in so many ways, and if you

919
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 4: look at like who's a future draft prospect, like, they've

920
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 4: probably got as many NFL dudes as anybody. But you

921
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 4: put Indiana and Ohio State against each other, well, once

922
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 4: got a freshman quarterback who has not really been asked

923
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 4: to do a whole lot, and the other one's got

924
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: a quarterback who's done a bunch and is in his

925
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 4: third year as a starter. And I think that can

926
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 4: make a big difference there. So you know, to me,

927
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 4: I love what Julian Sayin's done. He's played wonderful, but

928
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 4: I'm not quite ready to buy into AFHANDA State's about

929
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 4: ready to repeat because I just I don't know that

930
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 4: you do that with a quarterback that young. Maybe he

931
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Speaker 4: pros me wrong.

932
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: Better job Penn State or LSU or are we in

933
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: an era now where the size of the stadium and

934
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: the program prestige are irrelevant.

935
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 4: I don't think they're irrelevant. And you know, again, who

936
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 4: knows as the rules continue to evolve how much that

937
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 4: sort of strength comes back into the fray. It's funny

938
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 4: because I think the strength for both of those programs

939
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 4: is where they recruit from. LSU is basically a standalone

940
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: program in a very fertile recruiting area. Penn State is

941
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 4: basically the only game in town in the Northeast to

942
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 4: recruit at a high level, So it's not as good

943
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 4: a recruiting area, but it's a wider one. I think

944
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 4: they both are really good. I would probably lean just

945
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 4: because your path to the playoffs is not as hard

946
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 4: in the Big Ten as it is if you've got

947
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,959
Speaker 4: to go play Alabama and Georgia and Florida every year

948
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 4: in the SEC, So slight lean Penn State. If your

949
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 4: goal is I got to get to the playoff. If

950
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 4: your goal is I want to have the best players

951
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 4: that I can find, the LSU is probably a little

952
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 4: bit better.

953
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Speaker 3: Job.

954
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Speaker 1: Does Marcus Freeman stay at Notre Dame and are they

955
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: a playoff contender?

956
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Speaker 4: I think he does. I think Notre Dame learned a

957
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 4: little bit of a lesson from how things ended with

958
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 4: Brian Kelly. I'm not sure they were sad to see

959
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 4: him go, but I think that they were embarrassed at

960
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 4: how it went. And I think I think the Irish

961
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 4: have sort of turned things. They've opened the door to

962
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Speaker 4: Marcus Freeman to do some things that they probably were

963
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 4: not doing with Brian Kelly. I think they'll keep Marcus Freeman,

964
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Speaker 4: and I think, yeah, Look, the way CJ. Cars playing

965
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 4: is great. They lost two games to two teams that

966
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Speaker 4: I think are going to probably be in the playoff

967
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: to open the season. They're blowing the doors off people now.

968
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Speaker 4: And Jeremiah Love is one of my favorite players. If

969
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 4: you can only sit down and watch a handful of

970
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 4: players on a Saturday, go watch Jeremiah Love.

971
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Speaker 3: He's ridiculous.

972
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Speaker 1: Is there anybody in conclusion here Indiana would have on

973
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: that list of players that you say or must watch?

974
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 4: You know, the way that Elijas Rat has played this year,

975
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 4: I was just looking this up. You know, he's one

976
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 4: of just four Big ten wide receivers with ten touchdown

977
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 4: passes to eight games in the last twenty years. Like

978
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 4: he is as big a big play guy as there

979
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 4: is in college football right now at the receiver position.

980
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 4: I've got a ton of fun watching him. I'm not

981
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 4: sure i'd put him on the Jeremiah Loved pedestal, but

982
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: he's you know, he's like a little not a step

983
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Speaker 4: below there.

984
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Speaker 1: David Hale ESPN is our guest Java House Peel and

985
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Speaker 1: poor guest line David. Spencer Dunkley was the center for

986
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Speaker 1: Delaware that year in ninety three, and he was drafted

987
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: by your Indiana Pacers that I know are number one

988
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: in your heart.

989
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 4: I hope that that's probably the last British guy that

990
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 4: they've drafted there. But I love Spencer Duckley and Alex

991
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 4: Cole were the stars of that team, and yeah, those

992
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: guys are great.

993
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: Spencer Dunckley was in fact the guy. There was some quote,

994
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, he said something along the lines

995
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: or somebody said maybe it's Dick Vital if Delaware beats Louisville,

996
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: like I'll walk all the way to Delaware from Indianapolis.

997
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: And so we were hoping to what happened, and I

998
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: was trying to lead the Delaware guys and cheers and

999
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: everything else. And at least I got to become an

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00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: honorary bluehen and now a Leprecham.

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Speaker 2: So there's that.

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Speaker 4: Happy to have you in the club.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: We meet on Wednesdays, right, it's a huge club, David,

1005
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

1006
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: Man. All right, good to talk you guys.

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Speaker 1: H David Hale joining us on the Java House Peelamport

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Speaker 1: guest line ESPN dot com