1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,119 Speaker 1: So here's what we know about this Fort Stewart shooter, 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you. 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: We know that he's in the military, he's a sergeant. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: We know his name is, and I believe I'm pronouncing 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: it right, Cornelius Radford r Adford. We know that he 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: shot five people inside Fort Stewart, which is the largest 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: Army base east of the Mississippi. We know that he 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: served as an automated logistics sergeant assigned to the Armor 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Brigade Combat Team. We know that he was arrested just 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: a few months ago for driving under the influence running 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: a red light. It was not reported to the military. 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: We know he had his own weapon, a handgun, and 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: we know he is black. Therefore, by knowing his race 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: and knowing that it wasn't an AR fifteen or whatever 15 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: the Left calls an automatic weapon or a weapon of 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: war or an assault weapon because they don't know anything. 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: Because of this, this story is going to disappear. Oh 18 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: you know it, I know it, We all know it. 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: This story is gonna be gone off the front page. 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't fit narrative. It's gotta go. We need to 21 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: know what the bloody hack happened. What leads this guide 22 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: to the shooting? We don't have I mean, right now, 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: we don't have anything. We don't have any more information 24 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: than what I just shared with you. You've got possible 25 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: allegations and by the way, utilizing his own weapon that's alleged, 26 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: that's still not confirmed. But motive, we don't have absolutely nothing. 27 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: He was tackled by soldiers on base. That's how it stopped. 28 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: Tackled by the soldiers on base. So that brings us 29 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: to the question we asked yesterday. Do these people have weapons? 30 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: Do the soldiers have weapons? Are they able to neutralize 31 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: a threat if it should come their way. There's there's 32 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: a lot I think on basis that needs to change 33 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: in that regard, and there could be military people who 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: flat out disagree with me on that, but this is 35 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: what we know. It was a breaking situation. Just yesterday, 36 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: five soldiers wounded to or transported to what's known as 37 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: the Win Army Community Hospital, all expected to survive, which 38 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm outrageously outrageously grateful for. I think I think we 39 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: all are. Then there there's a story. I didn't ask 40 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: him if I could talk about the story, but He's 41 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: been very public with the story on his social media account, 42 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: so I feel there's no issue in in sharing it. 43 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: The story comes from Carl Higbee. So, Carl Higbee is 44 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: a host on Newsmatter. He hosts the five pm show. 45 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: I believe it's called Frontline. I'm on the show. I 46 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: don't always remember the show. Carl Higbee Frontline is that it? 47 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: That's it? And he posts this, I confronted the man 48 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: who took pics of my twelve year old daughter from 49 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: town property without threats. I start following the story, I'm like, 50 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: what the heck. Carl Higbee states that there is this 51 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: guy who was following his daughter on the beach, following 52 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: his daughter on the beach and taking photos as the 53 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: Daily Sorry, as a Daily caller has the story. According 54 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: to Carl Higby's ex wife, Caitlin, she her current husband, 55 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: their two sons, twelve year old daughter, and a friend 56 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: were at the beach. So okay, everybody gets along, everybody talks. 57 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: It certainly seems to be the case. Higby wasn't there, 58 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: maybe he was working whatever. So according to the Daily 59 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: Color News Foundation, the kids were digging in the sand 60 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: burying each other when she went to take a picture, 61 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: only to notice an older guy, an older gentleman, pointing 62 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: his camera at the girls. So as the reporting, she 63 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: took a picture of the man, saying it was odd 64 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: since the background behind the girls was at brick wall, 65 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: meaning it's not like he was taking a picture of 66 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: the scenery taking a picture of the girls. She didn't 67 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: confront him. She pointed it out to her husband as 68 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: they walked down the beach. When the guy returned along 69 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: the shoreline, he allegedly whoever this guy was, pulled out 70 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: his phone and looked like he was taking photos as 71 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: he passed Carl Higby's daughter and her friend. So the 72 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: ex wife Caitlin, I don't know right. I've met Carl 73 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: before I do a show, but we're not close personal friends. 74 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: But I'm paying attention to this story. She confronts the man. 75 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: Her husband's like, show me the phone. The situation escalates. Caitlin, 76 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: the ex wife of Carl Higbee, gets lifeguards to call 77 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: nine to one one so this guy won't hand over 78 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: his phone and once and is like, would you avoid 79 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: calling the police if I delete the photos? So the 80 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: ex wife and her current husband follow the guy to 81 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: his car, where there is a video of him on 82 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: the phone going through things and now deleting them, and 83 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: you could see it. You could see he was taking 84 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: pictures of them, and he goes about deleting the stuff. 85 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: So this absolutely positively happened. All this is the super 86 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: creepy stuff, you know. I talk about stalkers. Stalkers freak 87 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: me out. I consider the concept of stalking to be 88 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: so dangerous, so egregious, such a violation of people's lives, 89 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: of people's basic ability to function. Oh, stalkers freak me out. 90 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: The people who take pictures of kids who like I've 91 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: often argued that everybody has a fetish. Some are legal 92 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: and some are not. And it's not for me to 93 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: feel bad for you because you have an illegal fetish. 94 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: It's for you to be able to control it, get 95 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: whatever help you need. Hey, everybody's into something, right, everybody's 96 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: into something. Everybody likes something, everybody does something. Some of 97 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: it's totally legal, some of it is well practiced, some 98 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: of it is well traveled, some of it is a 99 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: very very ugly stuff, and some of it's just flat 100 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: out illegal, and we don't allow it in civil society. 101 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: And if you've got this problem, I am very very sorry, 102 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: but we're not going to allow you to simply just 103 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: be around because it's a danger. Well, he gets to 104 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: be like that because that's just the way he is. No, no, no, 105 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: screw that. Kids need to be protected. Meanwhile, Higbee Carl 106 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: from Newsmax finds this dude. I mean they're posting license plates. 107 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: I mean they're doing everything. I do not know if 108 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: they have their own legal issue there, but I'm not 109 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: gonna pretend I know which way that's gonna go. He's 110 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: on the street, Carl, Haby's on the street. He never 111 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: once touches this guy's property, and he starts giving him 112 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: a mouthful. You were taking pictures of my daughter, yesday. 113 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: I know that. And yeah, you're by permission. It doesn't 114 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: matter you're you're in public. No, I'm on my own property. Actually, 115 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: actually i'm standing on you can see I'm standing on 116 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: the show. I want to get into dispute with you. 117 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I well, I just want to know why 118 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: you took pictures of my daughter in public? Just why 119 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: I was I take pictures as of walking sometimes, but 120 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: obviously and they were just all over the place. If 121 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: I captured your daughter, I apologize and I'm sorry for 122 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: the record. Seeing the video of the photos being deleted, 123 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: they weren't at least the ones he deletes. He like 124 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: clicks like eight or nine photos in a row. It 125 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: doesn't look like it was everywhere. It doesn't look like 126 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: it was everywhere. This is nutty and it really does 127 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: cut to the heart of what do you do as 128 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: a parent? Now? Allow me before anything else, this guy 129 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 130 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: We see the video where he's deleting these photos. The 131 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: photos are clearly of children. I have no reason, based 132 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: on the evidence presented, to believe that Higbee or his wife, 133 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: or his ex wife, his ex wife's husband. Right. I 134 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: don't think any of them are making this up. I 135 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: think they've got the story. But innocent until proven guilty, 136 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: because that's the country we live in. It's the idea 137 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: of what do you do as a parent. That's what 138 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: the story is about. That's what it said, what does 139 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: one do as a parent? What does one do if 140 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: they see that? Because there's some of you out there saying, man, 141 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: I would not have been that calm man. That guy 142 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: would have gotten something else other than a stern talking 143 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: to and asked to delete the photos. That guy wouldn't 144 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: have fingers left to be able to use a smartphone. 145 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: I absolutely get it. I absolutely understand it. How many 146 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: people don't notice, how many people don't see it? I mean, 147 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: it's possible, it's possible that it's not seen. These are 148 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: the kinds of things that as a parent, if you're 149 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: not a parent, allow me to give just a bit 150 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: of generalization here. These are the things that as a parent, 151 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: regardless of your political affiliation, in almost every case, this 152 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: is the stuff they'll keep you up at night. This 153 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: is the stuff you know. It's like when your kids 154 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: start to drive. When your kids start to drive, very 155 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: rarely are you concerned about them as the driver. You're 156 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: concerned about the other drivers, and that's your conversation with them. 157 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: I got faith in you. It's everybody else who's a nutbag. 158 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: It's the other people that you're concerned with. Right, I 159 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: have two we'll call them adult children. My concern is 160 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: not whether or not they're good people. My concern is 161 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: other people and how they're going to engage with them. 162 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: The concern is whether or not you've taught them enough 163 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: to be able to handle themselves. And do you believe 164 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: that they have? Have you taught them to have a 165 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: belief in their own capacity to handle their own issues? 166 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: But those are adult children, twelve year olds, twelve year 167 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: olds where people are taking pictures of them on the beach. Now, 168 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: I will not get into a conversation of whether or 169 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: not it's worse because it's a twelve year old girl. 170 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: I don't do that. The person who is taking pictures 171 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: of children, I have no interest in ranking. Well, they're 172 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: a little better at least because there was a picture 173 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: of no, no, no, no, no no. I don't know. 174 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: How do you how this is the situation of how 175 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: do you deal with it? Right? Do you teach your 176 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: kids now to make sure they have their head on 177 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: a swivel and know their surroundings right, be aware of 178 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: what's going on. And if you see something going on, 179 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: you gotta tell us. You gotta go get an adult, 180 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: You gotta go get some help on that. Would they 181 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: know how to process somebody taking a photo of them 182 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: and you, as a parent, the guardian, whatever you want 183 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: to call it, how do you process that? Is it 184 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: an immediate confrontation? Is it a okay, they're gonna go away? 185 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: Pay it no mind thing. What does one do? How 186 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: does one act? I would argue that there is a 187 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: value in asking yourself that question so you have an idea, 188 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: the muscle memory before it happens, Because if you're going 189 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: to react solely on emotion, I'm saying that could create 190 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: for you more issues than you want. I'm really kind 191 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: of stunned with Carl's confrontation here. I gotta ask him 192 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: about that, what that was, what that was like for him. 193 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who's a seal. I mean, 194 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: Carl is not a guy who spends any time afraid, 195 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: but when it's your kid, all bets are off. So 196 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: I'm curious if he kind of game planned it, if 197 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: he's just like I want this guy on video. Is 198 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: he concerned about getting him on video? Is that I 199 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: have questions? I'll get him on the show to ask. 200 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: But man, oh man, I think a lot of people 201 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: are gonna look at the calmness of Carl and be like, 202 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: that's super impressive, super impressive. I would not have been 203 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: that calm. Being a parent ain't easy. Boo. I'm Tony Katz. 204 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz today.