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Speaker 1: Tampa Smokers. So that's the name of a former minor

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Speaker 1: being based in Ibor City, they decided to pay an homage,

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Speaker 1: if you will, an homage Fingers Maloy.

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Speaker 2: I owned a sixty four Homage. It was fantastic. It

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Speaker 2: was one of my favorite cars.

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Speaker 1: Bless your salts, Eat drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz, And

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Speaker 1: that right there is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers.

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Speaker 2: Maloynau R E n A U l T.

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Speaker 1: In case you're wondering how to spell that, we are

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Speaker 1: eat drinking smoke. I'm Tony Kats. That's Fingers Maloy, the

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Speaker 1: Tampa Smokers. This is from the people at J. C. Newman.

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Speaker 1: This is a fascinating cigar. So you've got the Ecuadorian

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Speaker 1: Connecticut Rapper, you have USA Connecticut Broadleaf in the binder,

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Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, the filler is undisclosed. I don't

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Speaker 1: get it. I don't understand it. Drew Newman, give us

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Speaker 1: a call explain why that is. So this is a

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Speaker 1: beautiful packaging of a cigar. It comes in at first

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Speaker 1: of all, at a six by fifty two, which means

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Speaker 1: it's six inches long. Hee always makes fingers in the

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Speaker 1: way laugh And the ring gauge is a fifty two.

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Speaker 1: That's the diameter of the cigar, or how thick it

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Speaker 1: is around me again with the laughter. So it was

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Speaker 1: a sixty four ring gage. That would be a full

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Speaker 1: that was the original intention of the vitola, of the

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Speaker 1: the packaging of the cigar is spectacular because there's eleven

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Speaker 1: somewhere I have somewhere around what's in the box. And

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Speaker 1: so it's got the ten cigars and then the eleventh

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Speaker 1: cigar is shaped like a baseball bat. It's got the barrel,

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Speaker 1: it comes down to the handle. It's beautifully done. I

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Speaker 1: smoked it. You smoked it. Oh, I smoked the living

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Speaker 1: hell out of it. Okay, I smoked it. And then

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Speaker 2: So it and you took no pictures, no video.

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Speaker 1: I must have a picture somewhere, somewhere, I have a photo.

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Speaker 1: So it is shape artist rendering. So it's shaped like

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Speaker 1: whiffleball bat? No, because that would be wild. No, no

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Speaker 1: very much, Louisvio slugger. And so is this cigar. This

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Speaker 1: cigar has some nice heft to it. It has an

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Speaker 1: because I cut it super shallow. But I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: that wrapper, well, it's not glass, it's not super smooth.

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Speaker 1: Way more oily than I thought it would be.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I I you thought it would be.

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Speaker 1: Uh. I thought it'd be a dryer, dryer, just my expectation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll just ride along with you on that one.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't really when you said we're gonna do the

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Speaker 2: Tampa Smoker. I wasn't thinking to myself, based on what

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Speaker 2: you were gonna explain to me about the cigar, that

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Speaker 2: it would be drier. But that's fine. What I do

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Speaker 2: like is the band. I'm gonna suffer for it, right,

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Speaker 2: the cream, the red, the gold.

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Speaker 1: No, No, it's an absolutely beautiful presentation. Two bands on

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Speaker 1: Are you one of these people who hates two bands cigars?

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Speaker 2: I only hate two band cigars when it feels like

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Speaker 2: both bands take up sixty percent of the cigar. I

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Speaker 2: a little bit annoyed. But two bands doesn't really bother me?

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Speaker 1: And no, I don't actually care about them at all.

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Speaker 2: By the way, you used a space shuttle joke, and

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Speaker 1: First of all, I made a space shuttle reference, not

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Speaker 2: It was a joke about the cigar.

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Speaker 1: You know, one should make space shuttle jokes references. That's fine.

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Speaker 1: There it is my mistake. The Tampa smoker right here

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Speaker 1: What are you getting off this this?

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you know, we're just into the

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Speaker 2: you know, when you when you light it, maybe there

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Speaker 2: is uh some wood or some leather. That's about all

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Speaker 2: I'm encountering right now. I'm I have to touch it

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Speaker 1: What about you? What are you getting so there? I

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Speaker 1: to the back of the tongue. When we first lit

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Speaker 1: and then we had a technical ror and then we

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Speaker 1: all hoity toity, hoypuloi high falutin. That's what it was.

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Speaker 1: That much is it. It is certainly not red pepper.

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Speaker 1: It's not that kind of black pepper baseness that often

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Speaker 2: The one thing I've noticed a little bit on a

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Speaker 1: Oh retro hal, Well, aren't you just lotty dust? Specially

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Speaker 1: you did that on purpose, just to hurt me. I

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Speaker 1: can't retro heal. Retro heal is when you bring it

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Speaker 2: A hint, a hint, a hint of flora, a stickle stickle,

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Speaker 2: A stickle stickle, a flora, a floral.

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Speaker 1: You want to get your notebooks out, what'd you eat today?

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Speaker 1: What did you drink today? All of that will affect

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Speaker 1: your palate for sure. The weather, which is cool, down

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Speaker 1: write down what you got out of each third, first third,

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Speaker 1: second third, final third of the cigar. Write down, no

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Speaker 1: matter how weird esoteric base it is. When you try

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Speaker 1: from a J. C. Newman fingers Moloy, is this in

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Speaker 1: your humidor for twenty one dollars a stick? No idea yet? Correct? Correct?

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Speaker 1: is that specialty one. I don't know if it's in

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Speaker 2: If it were that specialty stick and you can only

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Speaker 2: base it on the one that you have, would you

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Speaker 1: No? That's why I want to try this. I want

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Speaker 1: That's where I'm at. Fingers malloy. There's a new treat

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Speaker 1: in tone. It's me. It's not a it's not a treat.

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Speaker 1: It's a drink. Smoke. I'm Tony Katz and that is

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Speaker 1: America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Moloy. Our books, Let's Go

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Speaker 1: Bourbon and Let's Go Barbecue, available at Amazon dot com.

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Speaker 1: You want to buy a good oh, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: fifty copies, especially with Labor Day around the corner.

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Speaker 2: How many times, Tony, have you celebrated Labor Day with

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Speaker 1: You know, last time I went to a Labor Day

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Speaker 2: You don't want to be hit by a bus, now,

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Speaker 1: By the way, you felt that joke coming, Yes, you

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Speaker 1: felt like the bus a mile away. You felt that

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Speaker 1: joke coming smoking the Tampa Smoker. But our books Let's

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Speaker 1: Tampa smoker from jac Newman. Will get to more of that.

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Speaker 1: There's a story from All Recipes. Here's the headline of

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Speaker 1: the story. Reese's just dropped a new seasonal treat and

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Speaker 1: fans say, I'll take ten bags.

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Speaker 2: Did they actually hear fans say I'll take ten bags?

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Speaker 2: Or do they go to Reddit and see one person

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Speaker 2: say I'll take ten bags? Is that how that works?

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Speaker 1: I believe. I believe that's what they did. This is

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Speaker 1: the Reese's new Mini Pumpkins unwrapped.

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Speaker 2: Oh stop.

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Speaker 1: It just like the mini eggs unwrapped. The pumpkin version

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Speaker 1: transforms the beloved peanut butter cream and chocolate candies into

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Speaker 1: a bite sized treat. Now it doesn't taste like pumpkin,

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Speaker 1: doesn't taste like chocolate, and pumpkin doesn't taste like peanut

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Speaker 1: butter and pumpkin. It is a freaking Reeses that looks

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Speaker 1: like a pumpkin. Why do I care? Fingers more?

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you care because you do enjoy

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Speaker 2: a Reese's peanut butter cup.

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Speaker 1: Do you not? Well, I don't know. Am I an American?

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Speaker 2: And as we all know, yes, by the way, the

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Speaker 2: smoke Nation immediately yelled at the radios. Yes, of course, we.

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Speaker 1: Have a lot of people from all around the globe.

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Speaker 1: That is not everybody is an American. But as an American,

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Speaker 1: And as we all know, skittles are not candy. Skittles

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Speaker 2: Apparently you've never had the skittles that is shaped like

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Speaker 1: Skittles are gross. I don't care what anybody says. And

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Speaker 1: the Skittles people who work there, I'm sure lovely people.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand why you hate people who make skittles.

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Speaker 1: What I hate skittles. I hate the people who make

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Speaker 1: They're all just awful. Thank you. Can we can we

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Speaker 2: We can move on. Let's get back to the peanut

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Speaker 2: butter cup can the Reese's Peanut butter cup is delightful.

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Speaker 2: But then when you have these specialty peanut butter cups

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Speaker 2: I think that is what the kids call a game changer.

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Speaker 1: So if this is a ratio conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, there's much more peanut butter in the Reese's

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Speaker 2: Easter Egg and the Reese's pumpkin. There is. Oh, Listen,

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Speaker 2: Having settled that that's the reason why I enjoy the

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Speaker 2: the mini pumpkins, where I'm assuming the ratio peanut butter

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Speaker 2: to chocolate is the same, just smaller, and you open

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Speaker 2: rap who has the time to unwrap six or seven

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Speaker 2: Reese's pumpkins? Who has the time he's reaching the bag?

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Speaker 2: Shove them all in your mouth.

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Speaker 1: Let's say something right now, Oh, okay, directly to you.

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Speaker 1: You don't know how to plug in that microphone, but

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Speaker 2: Well, this microphone does not have chocolate or peanut butter.

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Speaker 2: Good lord, you know I'm right though. Are you gonna

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Speaker 2: argue with me about peanut butter pumps? Now?

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Speaker 1: Your argument is unassailable. It is so basically I need

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Speaker 2: Bag absolutely all right now, now we're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna have to do this. We're gonna have to taste

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Speaker 1: test this with all of the with the whole ratio

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Speaker 1: there is such a thing. There is. Don't look at

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Speaker 2: When have you had a situation where you have bitten

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Speaker 1: Well, in general, there could be too much peanut butter.

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Speaker 1: You need ratio matters, You need even this, you need

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Speaker 1: focus even this. Right. You know the time I once

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Speaker 1: When I bit into a.

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Speaker 2: Skittle, Well that's one hundred percent skittle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to see the problem.

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Speaker 2: See here, I'm telling you we've had this discussion.

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Speaker 1: You've never had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich that

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Speaker 1: had too much peanut butter to jelly. We're talking about candy,

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Speaker 1: too much jelly to peanut butter.

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Speaker 2: We're talking cane.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking ratios.

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Speaker 2: Listen, when do you bring science into eat, drink, smoke.

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Speaker 1: Well, every time we talk about how you one makes

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Speaker 2: So don't give me all of that mumbo jumbo. I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about chocolate and peanut butter here.

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Speaker 1: True, you are, you absolutely are. All I'm saying is

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Speaker 2: So you want me to get and of course you

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Speaker 2: know there are other Reese's peanut butter cups. We've had

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Speaker 2: the megas, the megas, the super mega giant ones. Now

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Speaker 1: Grape jelly, grape jelly. Definitely no pean butter and jellies

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Speaker 1: with strawberry. I'll fight, I'll fight, I'll do it. Pean

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Speaker 1: butter and jelly is way better with strawberry.

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Speaker 2: The one I can never figure out is blueberry Stop.

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Speaker 1: Nobody does that. I see it all the time. You

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Speaker 2: All the time. Peanut butter like blueberry jam. Serial killer.

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Speaker 2: What's even worse? Have you seen the folks that have

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Speaker 1: That actually doesn't sound bad.

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Speaker 2: I would rather eat peanut butter and mayonnaise. You know

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Speaker 2: that was a thing back in the day.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that was the thing back in the in the day.

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Speaker 1: Blue go back to the blueberry. That's like something you'd

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Speaker 1: put on a pancake. Yes, not eat with peanut butter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I saw somebody making a peanut butter

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Speaker 2: Okay, now I think what has to happen. We have

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Speaker 1: I don't even eat bread. We're gonna I'll do it

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Speaker 2: We'll have to get six or seven different kinds, different

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Speaker 2: flavors of jelly, marmalades, jams, and do peanut butter and grape, well,

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Speaker 2: peanut butter and grape peanut butter, strawberry peanut butter and

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Speaker 2: orange marmalade, throwing some mayonnaise. Let's do it. We'll do

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Speaker 2: a whole eat, drink, smoke, working extravagans are.

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Speaker 1: Jelly with mayonnaise? Why not? All right?

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Speaker 2: Sedible?

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Speaker 1: True? True? But how about we just keep it to

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Speaker 1: jelly's and jams.

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing blueberry man. That is the sign of

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Smokers. That is that Connecticut shade wrapper Connecticut

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Speaker 2: But I like the smoke a lot. Yeah, I do

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Speaker 1: so therefore you can think of this cigar in other places.

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Speaker 2: last week because you said, Fingers, I'm sick and tired

430
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Speaker 2: of you talking about unpacking.

431
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he moved like nine years ago and he's

432
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Speaker 1: still unpacking.

433
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Speaker 2: And you posed. You threw it out there to eat

434
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Speaker 2: RNK smoke Nation. You said you had a fine cigar

435
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Speaker 2: for the first person to email me Fingers at eatrink

436
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Speaker 2: smokeshow dot com fingers unpack already.

437
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Speaker 1: Yes, we were smoking the Artural Flente, the Shark seventy seven,

438
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: the on yeho O, which spectacular cigar. I said, I'll

439
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Speaker 1: send a cigar for the first person who emails that

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Speaker 1: to you. And there were emails, ladies and gentlemen.

441
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Speaker 2: There were Hey, several thousand emails Tony, several hundred emails Tony,

442
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: several out of thousands, several emails Tony, but one stood

443
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Speaker 2: out because it was the first one, and that's what

444
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Speaker 2: we were looking for.

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Speaker 1: Right, So Bill D.

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Speaker 2: Do we give the full name? Do we give the

447
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: full name?

448
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Speaker 1: Just Bill D?

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Speaker 2: Congratulate from No, he did not. Is he from Nova Scotia?

450
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: But I will say Invernes. The direct line to his

451
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: phone number is three to one. Seven is the area code,

452
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Speaker 2: So Central Indiana. Welcome guy, local guys. So Bill, congratulations.

453
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Speaker 2: Tony will be sending you a fine, fine cigar.

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Speaker 1: Right, you'll just have to send fingers your address or

455
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Speaker 1: PO box or whatever it is, and boom, we will

456
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Speaker 1: send it to you. Well done, well played. By the way.

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Speaker 1: You want a Tampa smoker. You want a Tampa smoker,

458
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Speaker 1: be the first person. Wait, no, Mike, we can't we

459
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Speaker 1: give away a Tampa smoker.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine, we can't get fine.

461
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Speaker 1: We won't give away a Tampa smoker.

462
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Speaker 2: Tony. Do you feel like you're being too generous?

463
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Speaker 1: Never follow us on Instagram at Eat, Drink, Smoke Podcast

464
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Speaker 1: and be the first I will post. I'm gonna find

465
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Speaker 1: out right now while Fingers talks to you, I'm gonna

466
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Speaker 1: find out if I've got a picture of that, uh,

467
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Speaker 1: the the the cigar that's built like a like a

468
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: like a baseball bat. And yes I do. I'm gonna

469
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Speaker 1: post that. Right you thought it was the.

470
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Speaker 2: Foot looks like it's I handled to a bat.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what an age we live in.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I will post this photo if I haven't already

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Speaker 1: on the Instagram.

475
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: Don't do it now.

476
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it now. Not gonna do it now,

477
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Speaker 1: not could do.

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Speaker 2: It now, Not gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: Look for it. It will happen next week. Look for it. No,

480
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Speaker 1: I have not posted it to Instagram yet. Look for it.

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Speaker 1: I will post that and be the first person to comment. Man,

482
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Speaker 1: I'd like to use that to hit fingers upside the head. Man,

483
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: I'd like to use that to hit fingers upside the head.

484
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: You know what? That's too many words just with the

485
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Speaker 1: comment nice bat? Nice? What I changed it? Nice bat?

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Speaker 2: And how about a follow too?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh you have to follow if you If you're

488
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Speaker 1: not following us on Instagram, it won't work. Go to Instagram, Eatdrink,

489
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Speaker 1: Smoke podcast and be the first person comment nice bat

490
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: on the Tampa smoker, and I will send you one

491
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Speaker 1: of these Tampa smokers, not the one in the picture

492
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Speaker 1: exce've I smoked that one, but one of these other ones.

493
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Speaker 2: So you're gonna get the fine folks that we have

494
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Speaker 2: at the Eat Drink Smoke mail Room start shipping cigars

495
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: all over the country. That's what you're gonna do.

496
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Speaker 1: Well, if if the nice folk can the Eat Drink

497
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Speaker 1: Smoke mail Room refer to my wife, then then yes, yes,

498
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Speaker 1: I believe. I believe that's exactly what's going to happen.

499
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Speaker 2: Do the fine folks in the Eat Drink Smoke mail

500
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Speaker 2: Room have uniforms?

501
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: Well, well, what we do have Eat Drink Smoke swag

502
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Speaker 1: are wearing some right now.

503
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you if you see us over on

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00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: YouTube or rumble and you could find us, just search

505
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: for Eat Drink Smoke on YouTube or rumble, find video

506
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 2: platforms for your podcast. If you find them a video form,

507
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: just check that out and you'll see me in my

508
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: orange Eat Drink Smoke shirt.

509
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Speaker 1: Have you found that we're starting to hoore ourselves out

510
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Speaker 1: just a little bit, just a little bit. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. It's a good look for us.

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Speaker 2: Oh, just getting started with the horring out.

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Speaker 1: Wow, we've made a turn. People. News of the week

514
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: is up neck so involved. We got in talking about

515
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Speaker 1: who gets free cigars? We we we forgot to do

516
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Speaker 1: news of the week. It's Heat Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz.

517
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: That is fingers away, don't forget. Go to our Instagram

518
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 1: page that is Eat Drink Smoke a podcast and uh

519
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: and look for the image of the Tampa Smoker cigar

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00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: that looks like a baseball bat and put it in

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Speaker 1: the comment nice bat. Nice I want even be the

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Speaker 1: first one, not even the first one. Just put in

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00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: the comment nice bat. And who will put that up

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00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: sometime on Monday and then and then uh, and then

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00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: we'll decide, okay, we've cut it off, and then we'll

526
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: pick one of those people by random and they will

527
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Speaker 1: get a cigar. So now you're saying it's random. Yeah,

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00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, it's random. You have to put

529
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Speaker 1: nice bat in. Yeah. I want to open up to

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Speaker 1: more people. I don't want to just be the first one.

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Speaker 1: I want a lot of people to have a chance

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Speaker 1: to get a free.

533
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Speaker 2: You thought that threw over the break. I did, and

534
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: that is the correct move.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we had this talk.

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Speaker 1: It's time right now for news of the week, Tony.

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Speaker 2: We we've touched on this, but we may as well

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Speaker 2: just dive right in. The percentage of US adults who

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Speaker 2: say they consume alcohol has fallen to fifty four percent,

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Speaker 2: the lowest by one percentage point in gallops ninety year trend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and what I've determined that those people are not

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Speaker 1: paying attention enough to the news. If you knew what

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Speaker 1: was going on in our country right now, my goodness,

545
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to stand No.

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Speaker 2: That's very fair, that's very very fair. But what's what's

547
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: interesting is, you know, we've we've talked about how younger

548
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Speaker 2: generations have really walked away from from alcohol. But I'm

549
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: wondering if older Americans are also taking a step back

550
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: because it felt like it wasn't too long ago, especially

551
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Speaker 2: during COVID, it felt like everybody was drinking. It was

552
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: free flow in alcohol everywhere. People were going crazy. But

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Speaker 2: now people are rethinking their alcoholic beverage intake.

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00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: We've discussed trends amongst Junger generations. We've discussed the ozembic effect,

555
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 1: things like this, there could be an economics to it.

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00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: People have moved on to other things. There are good

557
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: cycles and bad cycles in any industry, and right now

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00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: Bourbon's going through a rough cycle. Yeah they are, and

559
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: as we have discussed, smaller distilleries, they're gonna have a

560
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: hard time.

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Speaker 2: I still wonder if and I would love to see

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Speaker 2: if Gallup has done a poll on this, especially when

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Speaker 2: it comes to younger Americans. As we see and when

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Speaker 2: I say this, it's I'm not you know, condoning condoning it,

565
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: I'm not endorsing it. The amount of Americans, younger Americans

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Speaker 2: who are stepping over to cannabis based products versus alcohol.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that might be it.

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Speaker 2: That could be either talking about like gummies in general,

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Speaker 2: or gummies or anything. Yeah, or I guess they have

570
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: these uh that listen to me totally and completely sound

571
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Speaker 2: out of touch with this product. They've got the beverages

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Speaker 2: now that happen, Yes they do.

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Speaker 1: That could maybe that is, But what I have seen

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Speaker 1: is that they're just not interested in the mind enhancing

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Speaker 1: uh whatsoever. That that's just it's just not who they are.

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00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: And it might it might circle back where people just

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Speaker 1: you know, start appreciating, appreciating the art, you know, that's

578
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: that's part of our thing. It's it's about the art.

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Speaker 1: It's about what it is these blenders do and how

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Speaker 1: they do it, why they do it, what are they

581
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: trying to express, and what do we take from that expression?

582
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: Love the art of the thing, like loving the art

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Speaker 1: of the cigar, to blend the cigar, to put this together,

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Speaker 1: to be able to produce it to any amount. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable what these guys do, how they're able.

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Speaker 2: To do it, and appreciating the art of you know, bourbon,

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Speaker 2: Like you said, I can't tell you know how many

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Speaker 2: times I've had people walk up to me at an

589
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Speaker 2: event and just assume that they're surprised that you and

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Speaker 2: I are not three sheets to the wind right. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you must drink all the time, constantly, And it's like,

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Speaker 2: people know you've.

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Speaker 1: Known me a long time. Yes, if people knew how

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Speaker 1: little I drink, how I don't finish a glass all

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Speaker 1: the time, I'm just I've never been interested. It has

596
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Speaker 1: never ever hit me. I want to taste it, I

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Speaker 1: want to experience it, and then I want to move

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Speaker 1: on to the next one. I just I just don't

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Speaker 1: have any need to finish it at all.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. I'm the same way. I want

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Speaker 2: to taste it, finish it, and move on to the

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Speaker 2: next one. Yeah, we have a different idea of finish it.

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00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you actually finish it. I do. But I've

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Speaker 2: gotten to the point where, you know, we we, of

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Speaker 2: course every week, review some word of bourbon rye ear

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Speaker 2: every once and a while every week, and we keep

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Speaker 2: talking how we're going to expand into different areas. You know,

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Speaker 2: we have reviewed tequila in the past. Yeah, we may

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Speaker 2: review other out. We've done cans, drinks, all sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: I remember specifically specifically you liking the canned BlackBerry Crown Royal.

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Speaker 1: I did not.

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Speaker 2: But having settled that, I'm finding myself drinking a lot

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Speaker 2: less than I did, say five years ago, which is

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Speaker 2: amazing because I do pay attention to the news.

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Speaker 1: True, you you would think, yeah, but you it could

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Speaker 1: just be life stuff and other stuff. I mean, everything's possible.

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Speaker 1: Your personal cycle, if you will, is different than maybe

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Speaker 1: what's going on on trend right. There's also a more

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Speaker 1: of a health kick going on, especially amongst younger generations

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Speaker 1: certainly gen Z. It's just sitting back and having a

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Speaker 1: bourbon at the end of the day just is not

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Speaker 1: is not where they are at the moment that could

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Speaker 1: all change.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've found myself on the way over to eat,

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00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: drink smoke studios today, I was listening to some really

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Speaker 2: calming piano music, just gen piano music. I just found

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Speaker 2: it on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Is that another way of saying classical?

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Speaker 2: I guess by classical, isn't that usually with the strings

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Speaker 2: and the uh strings and the and the timpany timpanies

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But so I was just listening

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Speaker 2: to some floutist. Yes, just listening to some nice, beautiful

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Speaker 2: piano music, just trying to calm myself down a little bit.

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Speaker 2: And I thought to myself, you know, maybe I need

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Speaker 2: to create a little room for myself where I can

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Speaker 2: sit back in a nice comfortable chair and listen to

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Speaker 2: some whether it's classical music or piano music, and have

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Speaker 2: a little bit more bourbon in my life, and just

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00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: that would be a good way to unwind and relax.

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Speaker 2: Do you find yourself, do you have a space where

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Speaker 2: you do that sort of.

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Speaker 1: Thing you're sitting in it. I built a studio.

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Speaker 2: But do you listen to do you listen to music?

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Speaker 1: And no? Okay, so everybody's different. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: love that we did one story for News of the week.

646
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: We're already onto something else.

647
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, do you really want more news in

648
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 2: your life right now?

649
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: I since I started doing radio quote unquote professionally, it's

650
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: been eleven years professionally, if you will, this started happening

651
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: in about year three. I want silence all the time

652
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: I drive. I have no radio on. You don't listen

653
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: to the radio rarely, like so I have Sirious, So

654
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: I have Tom Petty Channel, I have seventies channels, some

655
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: other things, a little bit of yacht rock going on,

656
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: but in the main nothing. Nothing.

657
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: Now, when you are driving and you do not have

658
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: music going in your car, is it that you are

659
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: just alone in your thoughts thinking about the day, or

660
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: is it just this is a way to decompress and

661
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: not think about anything except what's on the road.

662
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's more of the latter.

663
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: I really do. It's it's you know, if I'm trying

664
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: to work something out in my head, that's that's one thing.

665
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's every every moment of my day. My

666
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: professional day is filled with talking. It's filled with with

667
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: with this, with voices and sometimes no voices is fantastic.

668
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: Like people listen to eat, rink, smoke while they're doing

669
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: other things. Right, So it's this companion piece and it's

670
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: it's sometimes we're a little bit of a white noise.

671
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: We're not insulted, we don't mind. We're very but yeah,

672
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: for me, sometimes just nothing is everything.

673
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 2: I need something, Yeah, I need something because I don't

674
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: need uh, the voices in my head. Oh you know,

675
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: I need the distraction, Okay, because then you start thinking

676
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 2: about I should have done this, I should have done that,

677
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: Why did I do that thirty years ago?

678
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: That kind of thing, well, I do that used to

679
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: get me so much, like I would have to pull

680
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: over the side of the road and calm myself.

681
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: I'm glad I'm not the only person that's like, Oh,

682
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: what's bad is when you're in the car with someone

683
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: and that something like that happens. I have a reaction

684
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: and they're like, what's what's wrong? Are you having a stroke? Yes,

685
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 2: I'm having a stroke. I'm not thinking about something thirty

686
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: years ago.

687
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: Oh the Psyche. We'll get to it. It's Easturing smoke.

688
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: We said that we would do more different types of alcohol,

689
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: tequila's rum because rum goes great with ours. So I

690
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: didn't do that. But I do have a bourbon with

691
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: a rum finish, and I think that should count.

692
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: It counts.

693
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: It's a drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That is America's

694
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: favorite amateur drinker, Fingers molloy. And this is the Hugh

695
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: Hamer from West four Whiskey.

696
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: It counts.

697
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you want to do that again.

698
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: It counts.

699
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: So Hugh Hamer is part of the whole line of

700
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: Old Hamer, which you may have seen a whole a

701
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: bunch of It's possible it's not available in your area.

702
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: West Fork Whiskey comes from right here in Indiana, place

703
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: called a Westfield, very very nice, good people of the

704
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: brothers there, and I am thrilled to be doing some

705
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: work with them now, even though and I am always

706
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: full disclosure, this is one of the very rare times

707
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: I am doing work with them. Nothing interferes with whether

708
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: I think there's a value there at price, Absolutely nothing.

709
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: And if you don't want to take my work for

710
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: it on this one. That's fine, but full disclosure. I

711
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: will never lie to you under any circumstance. Yes, I

712
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: do some work with them. I leave it. I'm gonna

713
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: leave it there. Did I make that clear?

714
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: What kind of work like song and dance work they're

715
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 2: cutting an album?

716
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: I do some things for them. You might start seeing

717
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: them as an advertiser on this program. So I wanted

718
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: people to know. I wanted people to know what was happening,

719
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: because it's not right when people don't disclose that stuff

720
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: in the radio is there's plugola and there's payola, and

721
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: as far as I know, those are the only two

722
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: things you can really truly get fired for on the spot,

723
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: no questions asked.

724
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: A lot of people on the street call this show eat, drink, smoke. Transparency.

725
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: That's what they call it. In the world of podcasting alone,

726
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: you don't have to do anything. There are no rules

727
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: because so you never really know what's the matter.

728
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: Have you seen ah on the social media's these ads?

729
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what the product is. Let's let's say

730
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: it's for foot powder, where they act like it's two

731
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: people in a podcast platforms like oh tell the other day,

732
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: I have terrible foot odor. You don't say have you

733
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: tried Fingers Malloy's famous foot powder. It's like, oh, that's

734
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: not a podcast, that's a stupid commercial.

735
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: Yes, it's super So I don't I don't believe in

736
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: any conversation or any question about not being full disclosure.

737
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: I am full disclosure. Uh. The the whole old Hamer line.

738
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: And there's a ton of them. There's a castrength, there's

739
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: a ten yere.

740
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

741
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things happening here. This is one

742
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: of them. This is called the Hugh Hamer. It is

743
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent corn, one percent multed barley, coming in

744
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: at one hundred and three proof. Anything over one hundred proof.

745
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: Getting applause from Fingers Maloy right there. Uh, this is

746
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: somewhere in the four to six year range in terms

747
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: of of aging. And I will tell you in the

748
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: glass that is a nice color. That's a little more

749
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: bourbon color. There a little in the caramel, not so

750
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: maybe orange, not in the amber, not in the reds.

751
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 1: Fingers already in the nose.

752
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: Boom, I am in the nose, and I have to

753
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: get deep in the nose because I will say right

754
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 2: off the back.

755
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: Do you have a cold? Do you have a cold. No,

756
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: why you have to get deep in the nose there? Yes? Really? Yeah? Wow?

757
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: Well okay, first of all, for one hundred and three proof,

758
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: there is no ethanol alcohol on my nose. How about you?

759
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: Are you getting anything?

760
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: Touch a touch? I think I'm more sensitive to it

761
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: than you are.

762
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: That's because I bathed an alcohol. Okay, so maybe a

763
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: hint of oak and some caramel.

764
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sweet. It is rum finished.

765
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: One would think right between that and ninety nine percent corn,

766
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: you would expect it to be sweet. It's nice.

767
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: It's spending four to six years in the barrel as bourbon.

768
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: It's not known the amount of time it's spending in

769
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: the rum barrel to get that extra sweetness off there.

770
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: But that is sweet.

771
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: They don't disclose that, No, eighteen months. You can just

772
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 2: tell just by the you know, oh, nineteen months.

773
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: It is sweet. It's not overly sweet, but it's there.

774
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: I would argue there is a little bit of oak

775
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: playing underneath, uh for sure, but fingers will way uh

776
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: sniffiness for suckers.

777
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: It was my favorite country album by that famous country

778
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: artist Conway Twitty. What one full family guy? You did

779
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: a full family guy? But I thought once again seventies

780
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: and eighties country music phenom Conway Twitty. We have our

781
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: fingers on the pulse of pop culture.

782
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: We are good like that finger of I didn't even

783
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: ask him if he was ready for it, all right,

784
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: fingers on why he's doing what someone is at Kentucky chew.

785
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: Take the juice moving around the palette, try and get

786
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: idea for the flavors. I'm a believer in the two

787
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: step theory. The first sip to set the taste bud,

788
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: it's the second sip to really understand the flavors that

789
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: we've got in our Glenn Cairing glass. Right, it's got

790
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: the foot bows out comes back in helps you concentrate

791
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: the flavors of the nose, really get to look at

792
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: in the light. Let's say you find.

793
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: Okay, the first of all, there's a nice bit of

794
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: spice also, I would I would say that there's definitely

795
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 2: a brown sugar to it. And then there's an orchard

796
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: on the finish as well. It's very nice. It does

797
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: not play at all in my mind over one hundred proof.

798
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: There's a nice bit of sting on the tongue and okay, now,

799
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of gentle warmth in the chest. It's

800
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 2: very nice.

801
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm going in. I'm going in. This is the Hugh

802
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: Hamer rum finished h m e R. But it's pronounced Tamer,

803
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: not hammer. Hammer. Here I go.

804
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: He's going in, ladies and gentleman, and he is doing

805
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: what we like to call the saganaw swish, the Memphis munch,

806
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: the Chattanooga chomp, the Kentucky chew, always going back in

807
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: for seconds. That ninety corn really, uh, you get a

808
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: sense that it is ninety nine percent corn because it

809
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 2: is very sweet.

810
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: There is way more heat than I was expecting.

811
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 2: Really, the tongue, the.

812
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: Lips, the the soft, soft in the chest. Soft in

813
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: the chest, for sure, but definitely on on the tongue,

814
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: definitely there on on the on the lips again with

815
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: the sweetness, syapy, the the the sweet again is not overwhelming. Uh,

816
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: you can and you can almost argue there's like a

817
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: like an apple pie thing happening on there. I would

818
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: expect as much when you're talking about ninety nine percent corn,

819
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: that there'd be some outrageous sweetness here. I can't tell

820
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: you what the rum is adding. I can't tell you

821
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: does the rum bring me the sweetness? I would love

822
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: to taste this before the rum finishing to be able

823
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: to get that difference. I think this is screaming for

824
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: a cube. I want to try it on a cube.

825
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: It is hot and sweet. Boom, there is a real

826
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: heat that comes. The finish, by the way, is lovely.

827
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: The finish on this is absolutely solid. It's sugary. There's

828
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: a little bit of wood that exists there. It's a

829
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: nice nice It's a pleasant overall drink, for sure. But

830
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: I want to see if I can cut that sweetness

831
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: by by seventeen percent fair enough, just take the edge off.

832
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: I have much more of.

833
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: A sweet tooth than you do, so this the sweetness

834
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: doesn't actually bother me. It actually makes me like it

835
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: a little bit more. But it'll be interesting to see

836
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: what you know. I put a little bit of cool

837
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: water in mine. We'll see how that monkey's with it.

838
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: We will get to that. The Hugh Hamer from a

839
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: West Fork whiskey keep it here. I was told that

840
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: beyond meat was the future of meat. Tony meat that

841
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: wasn't really meat was.

842
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: The what if there's one thing I know two things

843
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: I know no one thing I know. The children and

844
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: beyond meat are our future.

845
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: Now I should be clear, I am not about to

846
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: attack the brand Beyond Meat. They have every right to

847
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: me in business. Rather, I'm talking about the people who

848
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: told us that artificial meat foam meat was the future.

849
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you gotta invest in this, Oh my gosh,

850
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: you gotta buy stock to this. This is everything. Nothing

851
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: else matters, nothing, nothing beats a steak. No steak is

852
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: steak and not steak is something else, and you're more

853
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: than welcome to enjoy it. But you can't get somebody

854
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: who loves steak to be like, wait, it's just like steak.

855
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: They don't need just like steak. They want steak. That

856
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: is true, tea, drink, smoke. I'm Tony Katz, that is

857
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: fingers moloy.

858
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: I apologize for stepping all over. It was a good

859
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: intro to the good intro. But whenever you start bringing

860
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: up the future, I think about the children.

861
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: So the story is that the company Beyond Meat had

862
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: a very bad third quarter, a very very bad third quarter,

863
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: and there's a weaker demand for its plant based meat products,

864
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: and there's this possibility that they can go Chapter eleven,

865
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: which means bankruptcy. Debts of one point two million cash

866
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: on hand of one hundred and seventeen million. It's not

867
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: a great place. It's not a great place to be now,

868
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: I want to save for the record, I know nothing

869
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: about the management and beyond meat. As far as I know,

870
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: I do not own any beyond meat stock or anything

871
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: like it in any kind of fund or anything else

872
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: like that. As far as I know, I have no

873
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: financial connection whatsoever.

874
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: Sometimes actual shares of stock have the same ingredients in

875
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 2: it as fake beef.

876
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm simply saying, who amongst us really thought this was

877
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: going to supplant beef. This is like the people who

878
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: believe in like globalization or or like a one global

879
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: government kind of folk who believe that, you know, you'll

880
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: eat bugs and it'll be great, and that's a perfect

881
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: source of protein and everything will be fine. It's like

882
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: that kind of total insanity where where the objective is

883
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: you are the problem for your existence because the cow

884
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: is putting the methane out there through the through the

885
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: cow flatulence, and the cow needs to absorb taking so

886
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: many nutrients, and it's destroying the water supply, and we

887
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: have to stop eating these cows like this and raising

888
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: cattle like this, and therefore everything will be better and

889
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: you'll eat plants and it'll be so much healthier for it,

890
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: and it tastes just the same. No, it doesn't. People

891
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: don't want it. The people have spoken. When do we

892
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: start listening?

893
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: That's a good question. Well apparently at least the market

894
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: is listening and they're saying no, thank you. And now

895
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: I don't have the full beyond meat timeline in front

896
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: of me, but I do feel like, what was it

897
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: a few years ago where it felt like kind of

898
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: a hail Mary where they teamed up with Burger King, right,

899
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 2: Which what I'm told is that over there at Burger

900
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: King to the King of Burgers, they had the beyond whopper, right,

901
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: So for folks that wanted to have a meatless patty

902
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 2: in their whopper, this was gonna be some sort of man.

903
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was beyond me or

904
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: there was impossible Burger now impossible, it was one of

905
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: the companies something like that, And I don't say no.

906
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is is that in the end, and

907
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: your point is taken, we're in it. You cannot tell

908
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: people they have to accept something they won't accept. It's

909
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: like electric vehicles. You can tell me, from now to

910
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: the end of time, I have to accept that electric

911
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: vehicles are the future. Americans said, no, thanks, they're not

912
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: the future. No, you could sell them, some people will

913
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: buy them, but we don't want them.

914
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm really glad you brought that up, because you know,

915
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: correcting me, because it was it was impossible foods that

916
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: brought us the meatless whopper, right, But I also felt

917
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 2: like when it came to the whopper, that would be

918
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: if you were going to pick one fast food burger

919
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: that you would substitute a meat patty with a plant

920
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: based patty, that could be the burger that they may

921
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 2: be able to get away of it because they put

922
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: the condiments. It's just basically, they just go into the

923
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 2: trough of slop and put all the kind of They

924
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: put three courts of mayonnaise on the burger along with

925
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: a pound of onions, lettuce, tomato, and you bite into

926
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: it and you don't even need to chew the burger,

927
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: just tilt your head back and it slides right down

928
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 2: the gullet.

929
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: I saw a trough of slop open up for Motorhead

930
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six, is what I saw. It's the

931
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: people will speak and very often. What happens is and

932
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be political. I'm discussing something far

933
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: greater here that there will be some people who want

934
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: to tell you that no, no, no, this is better

935
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: for you, and they want their their like minded brethren

936
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: within whatever government's office to push this on you. No,

937
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: it's for your own good. People do not want what

938
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: they do not want. Is there a market for plant

939
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: based Sure, absolutely there's a market. Is there a market

940
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: to the size that they had? Is there a market

941
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: to the size that we were told that they have

942
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: to have. What happened that the sales fell and one

943
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: of two things had to have happened. Either the cost

944
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: became too much compared to other things, or in the end,

945
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: people tried it and tried it and tried it and said,

946
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: I don't this is not the same. And what I

947
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: want is the admission that it's not the same. It's not, uh,

948
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: just like a burger. No, it's just like a plant

949
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: based soy whatever the thing is, and a burger is

950
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: something else.

951
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: Have you ever tried a meatless panty before?

952
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: I know I've had black being stuff before. It's fine,

953
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: It's not a burger. It is what it is, there's

954
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with doing.

955
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: I wonder if the type of let's examine the restaurant

956
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 2: side of this for a second. I wonder if people

957
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: who are into this sort of thing are skeptical about

958
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: getting a meatless burger patty because they're concerned about how

959
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: it's cooked. And this is just anecdotal. I had a

960
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: barbecue some twenty five years ago throwing stuff on the grill,

961
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: and I had a vegetarian show up with their own

962
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: vegetarian meat patties.

963
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: Meat patties in air quotes.

964
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: They were plant based, and this person was very concerned

965
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: that I was going to put their patties on a

966
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: section of the grill that had some sort of meat

967
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: product ad on it.

968
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: At one point.

969
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: So if you are that type of person, are you

970
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: going to trust going to a restaurant that serves almost

971
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: entirely meat menu and say to themselves, well, I trust

972
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: them that my meatless patty will not.

973
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: Say that you do?

974
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

975
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: Right, not even being rude, You're saying you think, think

976
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: of how a restaurant works. I don't know how many

977
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: of them in the main are gonna have a separate

978
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: area on their grill or a separate grill for their

979
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: meatless product. Yeah, and that's that's just not that's an

980
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: irrational thought.

981
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: And then I wonder, if you are a vegetarian, and

982
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: you have been a vegetarian for if you're older for decades,

983
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: if just having a little bit of exposure to some

984
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 2: sort of meat juice will screw you up in some way,

985
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: it'll make you happy. Wow, what are you saying that

986
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: vegetarians can't be happy.

987
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they can't be. They can be if

988
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: they eat meat. That was softball. If you want to

989
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: be a vegetarian, if you want to be a vegan,

990
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: it's it's no sweat off of my whatever's right. You

991
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: go live your life as you see fit. I am

992
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: not here to judge. The problem is very often the

993
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: people who are vegetarians are vegans or or they're gluten free.

994
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: They're judge me and I would appreciate it if you

995
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: just stop and leave me to my steaks. And that's that.

996
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: That is that Eat Drink Smoke. It is your cigar

997
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 1: bourbon footy extravaganza on Tony Katz. That is fingers well.

998
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: I find everything we do over at Eat Drink Smoke

999
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: show dot com. We're smoking, we're drinking. Let's start with

1000
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: the cigar right here, the Tampa Smokers from JC Newman

1001
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: six by fifty two. That Connecticut shade wrapper, a Connecticut

1002
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: broadleaf in the binder, the filler undisclosed. We're into the

1003
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: second third of this cigar. More oil on the wrapper

1004
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: than I thought. It had, a tight draw. Took a

1005
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: little bit to get things really going and really flowing,

1006
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: but now well into the second third of the cigar.

1007
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: It's a really nice piece. Man. The spice is there,

1008
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: for sure. I'm gonna say it's it's like a dancing

1009
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: black pepper. The leather is the for sure. A fly

1010
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: just entered the studio, so that's gonna be a whole

1011
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: thing we have to deal with there. It's this is

1012
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: not creamy. I would not say that about this cigar.

1013
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: I would think that there. I would say that there's

1014
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: a it's not necessarily a nut nutty undertone. Might actually

1015
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: be a little more wood based, but not a seater.

1016
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: It's a it's a medium cigar. It stays a medium cigar.

1017
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: But as in one of the things I've loved about

1018
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: how connecticuts have been going over the past couple of years,

1019
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: there's flavor here. There's something you can do here more

1020
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: than just oh it's the morning, gotta have a connecticut

1021
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 1: something really mild. This is flavor. This is a well

1022
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: done piece.

1023
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: I was going to just mention that I was starting

1024
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: to get a good amount of wood from the cigar.

1025
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 2: That leather has intensified that that pepper you're talking about

1026
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: that has also built up a little bit as well.

1027
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1028
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: And you know, we we talked about it at the

1029
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 2: beginning of the show. The draw it felt like it

1030
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: was it wasn't quite there yet as far as feeling

1031
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 2: like it was work, but it was a little it

1032
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 2: was a little bit too noticeable on the edge.

1033
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: Yep.

1034
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: And it has since opened up nicely. It's the draws

1035
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 2: fine now, very pleasurable, enjoyable smoking experience.

1036
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 1: Twenty one dollars a stick, yeay or nay.

1037
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: I wish this were fifteen to seventeen dollars a stick.

1038
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: At twenty one it's a push. At twenty one dollars,

1039
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: it's a push. I absolutely get that. I believe that

1040
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: to be the case. I think it is a solid cigar.

1041
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: I think Jason Newman has done something very very good here.

1042
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: The issue is once you hit twenty, are there other

1043
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: places you want to play? Other ways you want to

1044
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: go with that dollar? If you feel that you can

1045
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: already find a good Connecticut for eleven, that's the problem.

1046
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you this is a nice overall piece,

1047
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: a nice overall cigar. I like, what's happening.

1048
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is if you got me the

1049
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 2: baseball bat one and said this is twenty one dollars

1050
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: just for the uniqueness of it and the story behind it,

1051
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: I could say to myself, you know, I could see

1052
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: one of these in my humidor or taking it to

1053
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: a cigar lounge and showing it off as I'm smoking it.

1054
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: This though, again, I wish it were more. You know,

1055
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 2: fourteen sixteen dollars, you start getting over twenty, like you said,

1056
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: you really have to start assessing whether it's worth it

1057
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: or not.

1058
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: And we are drinking the Hugh Hamer. So this is

1059
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: coming in in one hundred and three proof from the

1060
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: people at West Fork Whiskey, ninety nine percent one percent

1061
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: melted barley. It is finished in rum casks. Now, I added,

1062
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: there's definitely sweetness here, a little bit of oak on

1063
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: the finish. Oh, I got a cub in there.

1064
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: Oh, it looked like it melted already.

1065
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kept in the Glenn Karen glass because why not?

1066
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: And so got this on the cube. Fingers had a

1067
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: little bit of water.

1068
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: It is.

1069
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: Excuse me, everybody, I'm gone in.

1070
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: He's going in, ladies and gentlemen for round three. The

1071
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: two rounds without the cube. How's it changed?

1072
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: Okay? I said there was more heat on here than

1073
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 1: I thought it would exist. There's still heat, more heat

1074
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: than I thought. But what the ice did?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: Water brings down proof, right, you're already one hundred and

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00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: three proof here. Water brings down proof. It's the only

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00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: thing that you can use to bring down proof. And

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00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: it'll open it up right. Some flavors more pronounced, some

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00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: more muted. The sweetness has been cut. The heat is

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00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: still there. And with the cube, this is I think

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00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: a little bit better of a drink. I think it

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00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: cuts just a little too much, a little too much,

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00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: and I wish it still had some of that, some

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00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: of that some of that sweetness flavor, you know, I

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00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: was talking like there's like an apple pie thing going on.

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00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: It cuts some of that. The overall sweetness is there,

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00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: that Syrpia is still there, but that that little bit

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00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: of nuance is gone. I wish was still Remember.

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00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: Do you think the nuance would be there if that uh,

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00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: that heat had dissipated a little bit when you added

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00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: the possibly.

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00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: Okay, heat still there. Hold on, let me try one

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00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: more time.

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00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: Look it for you. You gotta you gotta make sure

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00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: when it comes to these things goes in again.

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Speaker 1: And what I dig about it is that it is there.

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00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: There is a real viscosity going on. It's a real

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00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: thickness to this this bourbon. It's it is interesting for sure.

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Speaker 1: And as I said, full disclosure, I do stuff with

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Speaker 1: the people at West Fork Whiskey. I do have a

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Speaker 1: relationship with them, and so I need to let people

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00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: know that as we're discussing the bourbon, it's the only

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00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 1: right fair thing to do. You just put a little

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00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: bit of water in yours fingers, Billy, what say you.

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00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: Actually for me brought out a little bit more caramel then? Uh?

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00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: I previously remember from having it neat that spice is there.

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01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 2: It's that that heat is there, and there's a to

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 2: me that wood is there. Like I really enjoy this

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01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: and I like a sweeter bourbon.

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Speaker 1: This is.

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Speaker 2: Really down. It's it's in my wheelhouse. I like a

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Speaker 2: lot about this. I'm interested to know, though, what the

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Speaker 2: price point is. Is this in your liquor cabinet for

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01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: sixty five dollars a bottle? Well, I wish you would

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01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: have said forty five, right. I listen. If you see

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01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 2: this at your local lounge, I encourage you to go

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Speaker 2: get a poor and enjoy it. For me, I have

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Speaker 2: to do a lot of thinking when you start getting

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Speaker 2: into sixty seventy dollars a bottle. It's it's very enjoyable,

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01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: I will say that. So the the this is about

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01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: whether or not this is your palate. This is too

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Speaker 2: sweet for my palate. I want more oak.

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Speaker 1: I want some of those other caramels, right, which isn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily a high end sweet if you like a sweeter bourbon.

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Speaker 1: I can see people doing this all day. Some people

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01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: are gonna absolutely love what the rum finish is here

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Speaker 1: in the finished in the rum casks for an undisclosed

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Speaker 1: amount of time. Finger says, nineteen months. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if yeah, nineteen months. Oh hold on, you're gonna check again.

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Speaker 1: Just sweet, real quick, real quick, sixty two weeks. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's a year and ten weeks since a year

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Speaker 1: and two months. Yeah, so that's fourteen months. Yes, see

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Speaker 1: it from nineteen months to fourteen Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The water changed the complexity and thermal breakdown, and uh,

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Speaker 2: that's that's where I got fourteen months?

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Speaker 1: Is this bourbon or penns oil thermal breakdown? I know

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01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: that there are gonna be people who are like, Nope,

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Speaker 1: this is my bourbon. This is the kind of sweet

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01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: that I'm going for. It is they have so many

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01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: other products that I do and I enjoy, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Sixty five dollars is that's not that's not that's not

1143
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: the sweet I want in it. But oh, people are

1144
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: gonna drink this.

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01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 2: For sure, people drink You're trying to talk me into

1146
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 2: this because I really do like it.

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01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: I know you do. I know this. It's absolutely where

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't bring it.

1149
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: But it's just man, at that's sixty five bucks.

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01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: I I dude, I hear you on all of it,

1151
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: But you're talking about something that's aged four to six years. Yeah,

1152
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: then that's before it gets into the rum barrel and man,

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01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: boo boo, there is a price for that.

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Speaker 2: That's it, all right, I'm buying it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much. Just so, just like that,

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Speaker 1: mister salesman, that's what they call me.

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01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 2: Can I do to put you in this bourbon today?

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Speaker 1: This is the Hugh Hamer west Fork Whiskey dot com.

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01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: Good people thrilled to be working with them, a lot

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01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: of interesting products from the old Tamer line and some

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01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: very unique things they're doing with Westwork Whiskey. But I

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01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: would tell you fingers will, it's time for a week.

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Speaker 1: Oh you got it, sneers of the week.

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01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: Spirit Airlines had a bad quarter again and there's speculation

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01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: that they may not make it another year.

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Speaker 1: What they said was don't book. Literally, the statement was

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Speaker 1: we're not sure how we're going to keep up operations.

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Speaker 1: That's the powerphrase. And the minute you hear that, you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: why would I ever book a flight?

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Speaker 2: I just looked at a round trip flight to New

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01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 2: York City from Indianapolis seventy one dollars round trip.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's before you get a seat, before baggage, everything

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Speaker 1: else in beer nuts that no one starts beernuts rat. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know. You didn't know that I

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Speaker 1: might not notified about these things. Get the memos. That's

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Speaker 1: true on the email list. Well, we do not get

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Speaker 1: political on Eat Drink Smoke. There are some things that

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Speaker 1: are simply undeniable about both Fingers and myself T Drink Smoke.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz, that is Fingers when I find it

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Speaker 1: all at Eat Drinks Smoke Show dot com. You guys

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Speaker 1: know that in our our day jobs and a lot

1182
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: of things we do, we are absolutely people who play

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01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: in politics. Fingers does a weekend show in Michigan. Fingers

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01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: wrote for The Washington Times. I do a morning radio

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01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: show in Indianapolis. I have a naturally syndicated show I

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Speaker 1: do work on on cable news. We've consulted with elected

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Speaker 1: officials and and and others, uh think tanks. We've done this.

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Speaker 1: This this work. We don't we don't claim it as

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Speaker 1: our soul work. But we've absolutely done this work. And

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Speaker 1: on the radio side, we've done a ton If you

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Speaker 1: name the person, yeah, we've done that interview. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just clear, clear as day. The one thing that

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Speaker 1: we will discuss openly, honestly, clearly on this show and

1194
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: any other show, without question, is that in the end

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Speaker 1: you learned that communism sucks.

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Speaker 2: This just in communis sucks.

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Speaker 1: It is awful. And everything about communism is based on

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Speaker 1: a lie, which is to say that you there is

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Speaker 1: no truth to be told because communism is about control

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Speaker 1: and power, keeping that power, keeping people away from the power,

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01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: removing the people you think are a threat to the power,

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01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: and it is about creating amongst the people who it

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01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: is forced upon a level of unease and unease of

1204
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: self and unease of others, where you're always have an

1205
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: eye open, you always wonder who has an eye on you,

1206
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: and you are trying to trade this lack of freedom

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Speaker 1: for some semblance of opportunity, and that's usually done by

1208
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: abusing others or accusing others, or oh, look at what

1209
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: they're doing, so you can get some kind of favorable thing,

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01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: But then again the next day that's done to you,

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Speaker 1: so it doesn't last. Communism is pure, raw, unadultated evil.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think i'm speaking out of school fingers.

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01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: I think I can say I'm speaking for you. We

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01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: don't apologize for a damn thing about it, and in

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01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: terms of speaking about it, we don't apologize for saying

1216
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: it out loud, even on this show. I'm not off base,

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01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: No you're not, And was I not strong enough. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I know you were strong enough.

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Speaker 2: And what's amazing about it is the people that are

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01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: willing to vote this in don't realize that they're not

1221
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: going to be able to vote it out.

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Speaker 1: And that, of course, is a major issue. This brings

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Speaker 1: us not to a story of American politics, but to

1224
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Speaker 1: a story out of China. This was a Fortune magazine

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Speaker 1: writing this. China's youth unemployment is so bad that gen

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Speaker 1: Z job seekers are paying seven dollars a day to

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Speaker 1: pretend to work in an office. Now, let's at least

1228
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: make sure we understand what we're talking about here. If

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Speaker 1: you believe that you understand the Chinese economy, it must

1230
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Speaker 1: be understood that China lies about everything. I am not

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01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: discussing your neighbor. I'm discussing the Communist Chinese Party. Everything

1232
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: they say about a job rates or a lie. Everything

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01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: they say about their economy is a lie. Everything they

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01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: say about unemployment is a lie. They're manufacturing over the

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Speaker 1: last couple of years has been dismal. Never mind their

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Speaker 1: own lockdowns because of COVID. Global slowdowns have led to

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01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: serious issues. This is a country that has built ghost cities,

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Speaker 1: apartment complexes where the buildings are forty two stories high

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Speaker 1: and nobody lives there. You have areas of China that

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Speaker 1: have a per capita income of six thousand US dollars

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Speaker 1: a year, and those cities have three international airports.

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Speaker 2: What nobody needs that convenience, Tony.

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Speaker 1: They built them because they needed to have their people

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Speaker 1: have jobs. That was the promise of communism. You'll hear

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Speaker 1: a lot of people say, well, it brought a lot

1246
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: of people out of poverty. You can make that argument,

1247
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: but you can't make that argument on anything sound. That

1248
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: argument doesn't exist when you take a look at long

1249
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: term ramifications, that it doesn't last. And it's all mythology.

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Speaker 1: And one of the subjects that's been coming up time

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Speaker 1: and again regarding China is that the youth, the workforce

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Speaker 1: gen z or whatever you want to call it, there

1253
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: are no jobs. There is nothing that moves them. They

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01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: quite literally are aimless and listless and are engaging in

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01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: very very almost childlike concepts in order to find some

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01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: level of happiness and enjoyment, which, of course communism destroys

1257
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: the soul in their cameno enjoyment. So this story is

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Speaker 1: that the fourteen point five percent of China's young professionals

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Speaker 1: that can't find a gig. Fourteen percent unemployment, we get

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01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: to four percent unemployment like we have right now in

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Speaker 1: the US, people like, ooh, that's a little high. Fourteen

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Speaker 1: percent is an insane nothing.

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Speaker 2: That's probably more like thirty percent.

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Speaker 1: So they're spending their days, paying, paying to be in

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Speaker 1: a fake office to pretend like they're doing something with

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Speaker 1: their lives. I swear to you nothing explains Communism more

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Speaker 1: than that.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that wild? Because when I first saw this piece,

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Speaker 2: I thought to myself, this is genius. I wish I

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Speaker 2: would have thought of something like this in the United

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Speaker 2: States until I thought for another twenty seconds and said

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Speaker 2: to myself, you have people in this country doing everything

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Speaker 2: they cannot to go to an office, so would not

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Speaker 2: be a spectacular business plan in the United States. But

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Speaker 2: you touched on something about what this has done to

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Speaker 2: that generation of Chinese people and Chinese citizens. And there's

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Speaker 2: another trend that they call them rat people. Have you

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01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 2: seen this.

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Speaker 1: I've not heard that.

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Speaker 2: So it's a trend in China where jobless gen z

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01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 2: people are spending their days in bed, rotting on their

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Speaker 2: phones to pass the time.

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Speaker 1: And it was a it so same concept as a

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Speaker 1: discussing earlier. They have nothing.

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Speaker 2: To do, no, so they're just scrolling through. And I

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Speaker 2: believe at one point it was a popular hashtag rat

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Speaker 2: people and you know, posting about what they're doing. Before

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the Communist Party tried to do what they

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Speaker 2: can to stop out that hashtag. But you go from

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Speaker 2: that to maybe people are sick and tired of laying

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Speaker 2: in bed all day that they're actually paying the seven

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Speaker 2: dollars a day, which you know, okay, in the United States,

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Speaker 2: seven dollars a day, that's a Starbucks, right, But when

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Speaker 2: you see that people, the nation's average non private sector

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Speaker 2: annual salary is just shy of seventeen sixteen thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: seven bucks a day. That's a significant amount of money.

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Speaker 1: This is a conversation about the purpose driven life. It

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Speaker 1: does not matter if you are a person of faith,

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Speaker 1: whether you are, whether you aren't. If you do not

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Speaker 1: have a purpose, there is no value to the life

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Speaker 1: and what we are.

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Speaker 3: Seeing, what we are witnessing and is I swear to you,

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Speaker 3: it is horrifying and I feel for these people in

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Speaker 3: a way that I cannot fully express the horror this

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Speaker 3: must be.

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Speaker 1: But it's the only thing that gives me hope for them,

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Speaker 1: that they may actually rise up and fight this, this

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Speaker 1: horror that is being thrust upon them. Because it is horror.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell me about Oh, they're making money, No, they're not.

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Speaker 1: They don't have lives, they don't have a purpose. It

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Speaker 1: is a rotting of the soul. It is what is this?

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Speaker 1: What is the reason for this existence? Oh? My god,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing more horrifying to me. There is. There's no

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Speaker 1: horror movie, there is no Saw movie that is as

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Speaker 1: horrifying as this idea of why do I even exist?

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Speaker 2: Just think a radical an idea that is that people

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Speaker 2: are paying money to go to a faux office to

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Speaker 2: feel something, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To feel like they're doing something, they're contributing something. It is.

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Speaker 1: I often relate this to the idea of our own

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Speaker 1: prison system. It's not that I oppose jails or prisons.

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Speaker 1: It's not that there shouldn't be prison sentences. It's not

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Speaker 1: that some people should spend their shouldn't spend the rest

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Speaker 1: of their lives behind bars. That they have committed our

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Speaker 1: horrible crimes, they've been adjudicated guilty, yes, But if we

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Speaker 1: don't have a prison system that focuses on giving people

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Speaker 1: skills so they can actually be a part of society

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Speaker 1: when they get out of prison. A purpose. We're doing

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Speaker 1: it wrong. We're just doing it wrong. It's how many

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Speaker 1: more ways we have to say this or see this.

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Speaker 1: It's a proven mistake.

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Speaker 2: Having a purpose is something that a human being needs.

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Speaker 2: It's why you see so many people who retire. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: their whole identity was wrapped around their career and then

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Speaker 2: six months later their dad.

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Speaker 1: That that's a better example. That is so true. And

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Speaker 1: everyone listening, everyone needs drinks smoked, was like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: know that guy, and in some cases it was your dad,

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Speaker 1: in some cases was an uncle, and some people know

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Speaker 1: in some cases it was them. That's that's it. The

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hamer rum barrel finished sixty five dollars a bottle.

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Speaker 1: It's a lovely, lovely drink from the people West Fork Whiskey.

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Speaker 1: And this Tampa smoker from JC Newman twenty one dollars

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Speaker 1: a stick. You gotta try it for yourself. This is

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Speaker 1: he drink smoke