1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: Live from the heart band and the crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: Number two, what you're suggesting is that people of one 4 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 2: race are blacks in Louisiana who will have to be 5 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: six fifty one percent of the population before they'll be 6 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: able to elect another black candidate. Because what you're saying 7 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: is partisanship is non negotiable. You have to create maps 8 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: where you're going to have six districts out of seven 9 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: always white because that's our partisanship. That means blacks never 10 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: have a chance, no matter what their number is, until 11 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: they reach more than fifty one percent. 12 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 3: So I don't think that's true for a lot of reasons. 13 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: Genre So the first is, as I think the General 14 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: pointed out, even without Section two, there's no reason to 15 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: assume that the states are going to try to crack 16 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 3: every single majority priority district. 17 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: There is a reason the illustrative maps showed that a 18 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: map drawn without looking at race and partisanship together would 19 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: have created two districts compact in all traditional ways. It 20 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: would have been District too and District six around the 21 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: Baton Room huge and two other counties that were tied 22 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: historically and otherwise and politics you say not, race is 23 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: what led the state not to give them another district. 24 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 4: So I'll say several things, John Or. 25 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: First, I don't agree with your characterization that the luster 26 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: of maps were compact. They combined Blacks in different parts 27 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 3: of the state, just the way this court today you're 28 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: talking about the last of states chosen. Matt. I'm not 29 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 3: the map the district five was better. 30 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: The illustrious map two and six were combined. 31 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 4: They're going to be fighting all day, this oral argument 32 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 4: going on right now. That's happening live as I bring 33 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: it to you. They're at the Supreme Court. It's a 34 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 4: fascinating story, an incredible case. And you're like, Tony, you 35 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 4: need a hobby. This is the hobby, Tony Katz, Tony 36 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 4: Kats today, good to be with you. Eight three three 37 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 4: four six eight eight six eight nine eight three to 38 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 4: three got Tony. This is a case out of Louisiana, 39 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 4: which is whether Louisiana's creation of a second majority black 40 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 4: congressional district violates the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Now, 41 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 4: the very concept of we would create a district based 42 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 4: on race is insane. That's the madness that I think 43 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: that we're all kind of engaged with here. And when 44 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 4: we talk about jerry mandering the whole host of things. 45 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 4: Of course, the conversation redistricting, which I favor, for example 46 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 4: in my state, it brings us up. And I think 47 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 4: it's a legitimate conversation. I think there's a real legitimate 48 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 4: argument to have about what is it that we're trying 49 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 4: to do. What is it we're trying to get accomplished here? 50 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 4: But if you read the fourteenth Amendment and take a 51 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 4: look at its series of statements, the question is by 52 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: doing so, See, one would think that creating a district 53 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: based racially based is being supportive of, but what about 54 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 4: detracting from? What have you meant it as detracting from? 55 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 4: But it's actually supportive of in another way. And this 56 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 4: is a court that has already engaged on some of 57 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 4: these subjects. This is the court that did away with 58 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: you can't utilize race on preferences for college admissions. This 59 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 4: is a court where, seemingly John Roberts, of all the 60 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 4: issues John Roberts has, and oh there are a great number, 61 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 4: this is something that he has been itching to get 62 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 4: to since his days in the Reagan Justice Department. Quote 63 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,119 Speaker 4: it is a sordid business, this divvying us up by race, 64 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 4: a descending opinion in two thousand and six, his first 65 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 4: major voting right case as Chief Justice, and part of 66 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 4: our I think a larger scale argument is something that 67 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 4: I've always considered incredibly ugly. If we take a look 68 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 4: at the Voting Rights Act, go to nineteen sixty five, 69 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 4: outlawing the discriminatory voting practices adopted in many Southern states 70 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 4: after the Civil War, including literacy tests as a prerequisite 71 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: to voting. I believe in no poll tax whatsoever. We 72 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 4: should not be as a society in any way that 73 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 4: puts a level of litmus test other than are you 74 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: a citizen? Now, I believe you should have to prove 75 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 4: that you're a citizen. You need to provide the ID kit. 76 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 4: But after that, I'm done. And I would wholeheartedly agree 77 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 4: that any practice that would try to create limitation or 78 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 4: present a blockage is an issue. The fundamental argument here 79 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: that I would like to get to is we take 80 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 4: a look at Alabama of twenty twenty five, and we 81 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 4: treat it like it's Alabama of nineteen sixty five, and 82 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 4: that's not right. What the left tells us is you 83 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 4: have to. It's a must. How dare you? And as 84 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,119 Speaker 4: we have gone about saying life has changed, things have changed, 85 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: people have changed. Let's not be thinking that because you're 86 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 4: a Southern state, you're a bigot or you're a racist, 87 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 4: and let's not do that because it's a valueless Alabama 88 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five is not Alabama of nineteen sixty five. 89 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 4: People on the left said, how dare you. We have 90 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 4: to keep an eye on these dates. We have to 91 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 4: keep a boot on their neck. We have to prevent 92 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 4: them from Once you realize that they say that, they 93 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 4: think that, that they act that what they're telling you 94 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 4: is there can never be any level of moving forward 95 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: if we are with the people in order to form 96 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 4: a more perfect union, establish justice in a sure domestic tranquility. 97 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 4: The constitution involves a moving forward. But you have a 98 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 4: part of the country that has no interest in any 99 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: way engaging and developing and growing, only to say here 100 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 4: is the grievance, whether the grievance is legitimate or not, 101 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 4: and say we will never get past it. Never getting 102 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 4: past it is the illegitimate part. It's like Gabrielle Zevin writes, 103 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 4: and tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. How can one get 104 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 4: over their trauma when it's the most interesting thing about them? 105 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 4: A line so strong that I can't There's not a 106 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 4: week that goes by that it doesn't pop in my 107 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 4: head as I'm discussing or thinking about something else. I 108 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 4: used the line before I heard this from Gabriel Zevin. 109 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 4: How do you heal thee when the wound is so profitable? 110 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 4: Not to forget in any way, not to forget. I 111 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 4: believe the Tulsa race massacre, as a matter of principle, 112 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 4: should be taught in every middle school in America as 113 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 4: long as we're gonna have public schools, and it should 114 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 4: be taught in every private school. It should be taught 115 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: in every religious school. It is of great shame that 116 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 4: I didn't know of the Tulsa race massacre until well 117 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 4: into my adulthood. That's just not that is not gonna fly. 118 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 4: That's crazy. And I can say in the same breath 119 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: without any level of hesitation, this idea of America's original sin. 120 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 4: And we are somehow guilty based on the color of 121 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 4: our skin for the acts of people we did not 122 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 4: know three hundred years ago, two hundred and fifty years ago, 123 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 4: eighty four years ago. All hell, No, we must remember, 124 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 4: we must never forget, and then we must move forward 125 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: in pursuit of the more perfect union, which if we 126 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 4: take a look at things like the Voting Rights Act, 127 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 4: if you want to utilize that as the example, or 128 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 4: numerous other pieces of legislation we are heading towards because 129 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 4: we rectify wrongs. Is it wrong to state that a 130 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 4: district can be created on the case of just its race. 131 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 4: This is the question, Justice cors. It's now speaking. I 132 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: think it's about four. I think with the principal Deputy 133 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 4: Solicitor Jens. 134 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 5: It's an essential component. It wouldn't have happened but four. Okay, 135 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 5: So it's not about four but four. The way the 136 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 5: Court has described it. 137 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: As an approximate cause, I don't think that's the right 138 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: way of things. 139 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 4: It's not approximate cause. What is it? 140 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: I think the way the Court has described it is 141 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: it's the factor that a factor that could not be 142 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 3: compromised and where race neutral principles were subordinated to it. 143 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: So this case is a very easy case to analyze 144 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: that because the race neutral principles of incumbency protection worse. 145 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 5: I'm not worried about I'm focusing on your test going forward, 146 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 5: not this. 147 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 4: So let me help you this way. 148 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: Then I think the question is when is predominance not 149 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 3: satisfied where race is considered. Here's I'll give you two examples. 150 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 5: I mean, under our normal equal protection jurisprudence, we don't 151 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 5: ask whether race predominated. We say you don't discriminate on 152 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 5: the basis of race, period. 153 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: So let me give you two examples. 154 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 4: So they're going to go through this and through this 155 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 4: and through this. I think it's a fascinating case, and 156 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 4: I think it it's going to tell a story. The 157 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 4: most interesting. I shouldn't say the most interesting, because I 158 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 4: wouldn't say that I have enough study on the late 159 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 4: Ruth Bater Ginsburg to say I would know her most 160 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 4: interesting comments. But an interesting comments, rather interesting one attributable 161 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 4: to the late Better Ginsburg, former Supreme Court justice, is 162 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 4: that she thought roeby Wade went too far. It was 163 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 4: an overreach right, this idea of a privacy protection when 164 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 4: regarding a barge or anything else. This was an overreach 165 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 4: of the court. And I absolutely believe that Roe v. 166 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 4: Wade was always an overreach of the court, was always 167 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: a horrific decision and should have been returned to the States. 168 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 4: We live in a fundamentally false view of things when 169 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: we think that the Court is infallible, that its decisions 170 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 4: have always been in a level of perfection to exist 171 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 4: throughout all time. They were wrong and plusy versus Ferguson, 172 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: they were wrong in dred Scott. I argue they were 173 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 4: wrong in Obergafell. It's not that two men or two 174 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 4: women can't spend their lives together. It's that no right 175 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 4: to same sex marriage exists in the Constitution. To decide 176 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 4: there is what is to create a right out of 177 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 4: hol cloth, and I oppose this, especially a subject that 178 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 4: at the time was winning in the States. You could 179 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 4: have won all fifty states, which is the way to 180 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 4: do it? As a matter of just the decision, I 181 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 4: oppose Obergefell based on the fact that the right does 182 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 4: not exist in the Constitution. You can go put it 183 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 4: there find by me, but you can't decide it exists 184 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 4: because you want it to. I don't think it's as 185 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 4: dreadful as dred Scott, please don't get me wrong. But 186 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 4: you can't just invent a right because you want to. 187 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 4: And I believe the court did that. This case is 188 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 4: one of those that I think is really going to 189 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 4: set a stage for how things are done going forward. 190 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 4: Can you create districts solely based on race? And the 191 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 4: argument is, well, white districts already based on race. I 192 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 4: would laugh at that out loud, out loud, because one 193 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 4: I think the worst things this does, this concept does 194 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 4: is state that everybody of a race things in the 195 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 4: same way, acts in the same way, votes in the 196 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 4: same way. As a concept, I think it's some of 197 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 4: the most bigoted stuff out there. For sure. We've got 198 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 4: a lot to get to Let's get to it. I'm 199 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 4: Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats today. 200 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 6: Please thank you very grateful Charlotte, excuse me, Charlie always 201 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 6: admired your commitment to freedom, and that's something that both 202 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 6: of you shared. So thank you. 203 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 7: Your support of our family and the work that Charlie 204 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 7: devoted his life to will be something I cherish forever. 205 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 6: So thank you. 206 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 7: To our gracious First Lady in her office for making 207 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 7: this event possible. Thank you as well, It's beautiful to 208 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 7: Vice President and the lovely USHA fans. Your friendship has 209 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 7: been an unbelievable encouragement. 210 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 3: Thank you. 211 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 7: And to all our friends and family that are here 212 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 7: watching from all around the world, thank you for loving us, 213 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 7: thank you for praying for us, and for believing in 214 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 7: what Charlie believed in. 215 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 4: This was Charlie Kirk, his wife Erica Kirk, accepting on 216 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 4: his behalf the Metal of Freedom from President Trump. Tony Katz, 217 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 4: Tony Katz today, good to be with you. There are 218 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 4: people who think that this was wrong. Let him. What 219 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 4: does it matter? What does it matter that people who 220 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 4: want to call Charlie Kirk e racist and Charlie Kirk 221 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 4: a bigot? What doesn't matter what they think of awards 222 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 4: that the President of the United States decides to present. 223 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 4: It doesn't. And a lot of people want to get 224 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 4: wrapped up in the fact that this might matter. It doesn't. 225 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 4: I think it is obscene to have thought of Charlie 226 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 4: Kirk as a racist or a bigot. I admit to you, 227 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 4: as clear as day wasn't friends with Charlie Kirk, and 228 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 4: that's okay. I didn't agree with every commentary, that's okay. 229 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: I wasn't a super great fan of the debate style 230 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 4: because it didn't seem to me to be debate. I 231 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 4: never like a style where somebody asked a question and 232 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 4: then the responses let me ask you a question. It 233 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 4: was a rhetorical utilization to get to where he wanted 234 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 4: to be. It's not that I disagreed per se with 235 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 4: anything in the where he wanted to be. The fact 236 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 4: that I'm not Christian never bothered me. That the man 237 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 4: was a man of faith, never actually thought too much 238 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 4: of it, in that I found no offense to it. 239 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 4: That it formed for him opinion and philosophy, and an 240 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 4: ability to engage that when asked the question when someone 241 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 4: was trying to trip him up, he had remarkable recall 242 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: and could go to chapter and verse and then connected 243 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 4: to other other things and connect to other things. He 244 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 4: had practiced these things. It was very obvious. And in 245 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 4: all of these debates, you know, you see them so often. 246 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 4: The real capability is the ability to hit on the 247 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 4: data without losing your cool, because very often the objective 248 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 4: is to try and get you to lose your cool 249 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 4: and then oh, to see you can't. It has to 250 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 4: do with progressive circular logic. And what I mean by 251 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 4: that is is that you get asked a question by 252 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 4: a progressive here right, the question one, and then you're 253 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 4: able to answer question one, and instead of a refocus 254 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 4: or digging deeper in question one, they move to question two, 255 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 4: and then you've got to move over and answer question two, 256 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 4: and then on that they move to question three, and 257 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 4: they keep moving around, keep moving around until they get 258 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 4: to the question where you're like, I don't know, I 259 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 4: haven't thought about that. Well, you see, there's the problem, 260 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 4: and then they drill down on that because you don't 261 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 4: have the answer. You see, that's you add answer twenty 262 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 4: five questions in a row to a place where they 263 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 4: could not respond, and they finally got to their twenty 264 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 4: sixth question, and that proves that you need to be educated. 265 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 4: You've experienced this. You know this to be true. Right 266 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 4: now you're saying, oh my gosh, my uncle does that 267 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: all the time. I have this braddy niece who does 268 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: that all the time, and me I can't say anything 269 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 4: back because it's my niece. And then I'm gonna be 270 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 4: the bad guy. First of all, be the bad guy. 271 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 4: It's better than living in pain. Listen, Discretion is the 272 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 4: better part of valor. But if you have to sit 273 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 4: through a Thanksgiving dinner where the other parts of the 274 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 4: family get to scream at you yell at you and 275 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 4: call you names, and you have to somehow sit there 276 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 4: and take it. You should not sit at that dinner. 277 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 4: You should be busy. You should stay home, eat McDonald's, 278 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 4: watch football in your underwear and say my god, why 279 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 4: didn't I do this years ago? It's a much better 280 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 4: philosophy then sitting at the meal and getting punched in 281 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 4: the face by people who know you won't punch them 282 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 4: back because you have a sense of decorum and they 283 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 4: are rotten. That is exactly the same approach as who 284 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 4: cares what these people have to say about Charlie Kirk 285 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 4: or Erica Kirk. Forget them. Lovely ceremony, lovely gesture. The end. 286 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 4: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. So HAMAS 287 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 4: is slow rolling the return of the remains of those 288 00:19:53,760 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 4: hostages killed by them. Tony Katz, Tony kat today, guys, 289 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 4: good to be with you, Good to be here. Find 290 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 4: everything I do over at Tony Katz dot com. Purposefully 291 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 4: slow rolling the release. This has got the Israelis infuriated. 292 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 4: This is going to lead to a fracturing very very 293 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 4: quickly of the piece deal. HAMAS is required to fulfill 294 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 4: its commitments to coring A Benjamin at Yahoo and they 295 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 4: said all hell will break loose if Hamas doesn't. Four 296 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 4: were returned, three have been identified. One as was reported, 297 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 4: turns out wasn't an Israeli soldier. They were in an 298 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 4: IDF uniform, but they that wasn't who they thought it was, 299 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 4: and they were able to do this identity identifying very 300 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 4: very quickly. Israel said they're going to restrict aid into 301 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 4: into Gaza. Hamas has said, okay, we'll release more people. 302 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: There's no question about what Hamas is. There's no question 303 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 4: about the people who are desperate to support Hamas. We 304 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 4: see them, we know them, we see how they engage 305 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 4: in this fraud and how they are not happy with 306 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 4: the ceasefire because that was never the objective. We've been 307 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 4: through this, we understand it. What they want is a 308 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 4: destroyed Israel, dead Jews, and then a destroyed America. This 309 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 4: is what they want. There is no debate, so we 310 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 4: don't have to discuss it as a debate. What is 311 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 4: very interesting is the commentary from President Trump, because President 312 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 4: Trump was very clear about the idea that Hamas has to. 313 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 8: I'm all would take Amas to disarm and can you 314 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 8: guarantee that is going to happen. 315 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 9: Well, I'm going to disarm and because they said they 316 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 9: were going to disarm, and if they. 317 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 4: Don't disarm, we will disarm them. How you do that? 318 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 4: I don't have to explain that to you. 319 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 9: But if they don't disarm, we will disarm them. They 320 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 9: know I'm not playing games first. I love that answer 321 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 9: more than oxygen. I don't have to explain that to you. 322 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 9: How you mean I should let the enemy know through 323 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 9: your ridiculous news outlet how. 324 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 4: I'm going to do this. I think that's a terrible 325 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 4: idea to give the enemy the advantage of knowing how 326 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 4: we're going about doing things. But there is no question, 327 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 4: there is no question that the statement for Magaville must 328 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 4: be one that makes them go, I'm sorry, what now? 329 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 4: How are you going to make them? Is a really 330 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 4: good question. I'm not saying the President's wrong in his response. 331 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 4: He's a ten accurate in his response. Only the lunatic 332 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,239 Speaker 4: would be like, Okay, so we're gonna send in this 333 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 4: infantry division and then we're gonna end around here. Then 334 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 4: we're gonna drop three sorties over there. Then we're gonna 335 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: have a guy jumped from behind a bush and go 336 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 4: boogey buggy, and then we're gonna send out an attack pigeon. 337 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 4: This pigeon is designed for death, I tell you. And 338 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 4: he's gonna crap all over them and they're gonna go, 339 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 4: oh no, pigeon crap. And that's when we're gonna get 340 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 4: all the guns. By the way, operation pigeon crap. Great 341 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 4: name for an operation. I never thought of that before. 342 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 4: But I'm telling you right now, if I was in 343 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 4: charge of naming military operations, operation pigeon crap top of 344 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 4: the top of the list. God, that exhausted me, it 345 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 4: really did. He's right, of course, he's right. But now 346 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 4: it's you and me on a barstool smoking a cigar. 347 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 4: I've got the all of us, Siri v. Milanio right here. 348 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 4: This is the torpedo. It's a beautiful stick. It's a 349 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 4: perfect for the show. Just just wonderful, wonderful cigar. Yes, 350 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 4: if you're watching the live stream, you've seen me do it. 351 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 4: I smoke while I do the show. I like cigars. 352 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 4: I smoke cigars. I apologize for nothing. How in the 353 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 4: world are you going to disarm them? It's a solid question. 354 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 4: The reason that I bring it up because the solid 355 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 4: question for you and me on the barstool, I have 356 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 4: this conversation right now. The reason I bring it up 357 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 4: is because for Magaville, this has got to be bothersome now. 358 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 4: I was very happy to see people push back against 359 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 4: Steve Bannon's statement about this piece deal is a huge 360 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 4: loss for Annette Yahoo. And then he said, tell Aviv Levin, 361 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 4: and I think he's talking about Mark Levin, and that's 362 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 4: just he's so screwed up it can't even be discovered. 363 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 4: That is screwed up. Steve, completely screwed up. Of course, 364 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 4: what's wrong with being supportive of Israel? You think because 365 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 4: he's supportive of Israel, he's not supportive of America. Steve, Steve, 366 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 4: stop it. Don't buy into that ridiculousness. They're leading us 367 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 4: to war. Stop it. The President just said we will 368 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 4: disarm them. That is a moment to say, how does 369 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 4: that happen? Does that happen with American troops? We know 370 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 4: that two hundred troops were sent to kind of oversee things. 371 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 4: I didn't like that. I didn't ask for that. I 372 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:51,239 Speaker 4: don't want that. We talked about Ukraine and Russia, and 373 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 4: there was a really, really stupid question that was like, oh, look, 374 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 4: how smart this is. Russia owes the Ukrainian people reparations 375 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 4: or should pay for the rebuilding? Is it reparations to 376 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 4: pay for the rebuilding? And then someone was like, well, 377 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 4: then why don't Israeli's own oh Gaza to rebuild. Why 378 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 4: don't they pay for the rebuilding? Hamas attacked Israel, Why 379 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 4: in the world would Israel have to pay for anything. 380 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 4: Hamas should pay with their blood, and so should anybody 381 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 4: who engage support of Amas. It's a war, they should 382 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 4: pay for the rebuilding. Is exactly what happens when you 383 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 4: allow leftists to think that their radicalness is intellect, as 384 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 4: if these two things are in any way the same. 385 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 4: They are not. Ukraine may not have been great, but 386 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 4: they did not deserve to be invaded. And do the 387 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 4: question of how does this fight resolve? Well, you already 388 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 4: have NATO saying that they'll take the lead. That could 389 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 4: involve you US troops, but most likely to evolve European troops, 390 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 4: US troops in the backgrounds, and of course the buying 391 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 4: of US military hardware, maybe at a discount. Same thing 392 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 4: could be true regarding Israel and the disarming of Hamas. 393 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 4: But the only way to disarm a mass, if you 394 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 4: and I are just sitting here having a cigar, drinking 395 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 4: a burb and talking about how this would be done, 396 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 4: is you gotta walk in and you gotta take the gun. 397 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 4: The problem is they might fire the gun. I mean, 398 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 4: that's the fundamental issue. The only way to truly disarm 399 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 4: ha Mass. The President brought it up. Don't tell me 400 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 4: I can't discuss it. Don't tell me I'm a warmonger. 401 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 4: The President was asked a question. He said he would 402 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 4: disarm he didn't say how when he was absolutely right. 403 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 4: I'm allowed to ask how and go through the machinations 404 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 4: of what it would take to disarm Hamas. And the 405 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 4: only way you disarm arm Hamas is to end the 406 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 4: Iranian regime. Tell me I'm wrong, walk walk me down 407 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 4: the road. Walk me down the road where Hamas doesn't 408 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: have a single gun. They don't even have a flare gun, 409 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 4: they don't have a water gun. They're not even allowed 410 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 4: to refer to their biceps as guns. Tell me how 411 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 4: that happens. If Iran is able to give them the 412 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 4: dollars or utilized dollars to rearm them, I'll wait. I 413 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 4: don't know. Do I have any good like waiting music. 414 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 4: I sometimes have good waiting music. Not today, I'm a 415 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 4: little bit out of uh. Let me say, okay, oh 416 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 4: this this, this might work. Here, here's some good waiting music. 417 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 4: You tell me, like I don't have jeopardy music for 418 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 4: some reason. You tell me how this happens without getting 419 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 4: rid of the Iranian regime. I'll wait with Bokano be 420 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 4: with you right now. 421 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 8: We think any collum, that's what doing it again? 422 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 4: I'm pig but I thought that was pretty good thinking music. Oh, 423 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 4: it's gonna screw my monetization issues on YouTube. Don't every 424 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 4: day you can't monetize this? They don't. They don't. Essentially, 425 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 4: they don't take down anything. But like some of the 426 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 4: music we pick and everything else, like, oh that's not monetizable. 427 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 4: It's like, okay, sponsorships now available. Screw the monetizing, let's 428 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 4: bring the sponsorships people. I don't see how that happens. 429 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 4: I don't see how it happens. And I am not 430 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 4: so sure that Magaville is prepared for this conversation. Or 431 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 4: maybe I'm not giving them the credit that they deserve 432 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 4: because I don't. I'm not engaging this to be disparaging. 433 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 4: Maybe they are absolutely aware of it, and this is 434 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 4: the thing that they never wanted. They knew it would 435 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 4: get to this as well. But I don't know how 436 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 4: you think that's gonna happen. I don't know how you 437 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 4: disarm Hamas without ending the Iranian regime. And if anybody's 438 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 4: got an idea, I'm all ears right Aaron there commenting, 439 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 4: Hamas expects everything to go back to how it was 440 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 4: before October seventh. They don't expect anyone has an appetite 441 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 4: to engage in more fighting after how Israel was excoriated. 442 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, no no. You could argue that 443 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 4: Hamas expects everything to go back the way it was 444 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,479 Speaker 4: before October seventh, but that was their expectation when all 445 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 4: this happened. They figured that the world would bring Israel 446 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 4: to heal, and Israel refused to do it. And I'm 447 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 4: telling you, even with all the fanfare and the kanessset 448 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 4: and all the love Trump got and all the cheers 449 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 4: and everything else, if Hamas does not return these dead Israelis, 450 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 4: the IDF is going to go right back in. They're 451 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 4: not gonna care. They got the hostages back who are alive. 452 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 4: They know that this is all long shot. They really 453 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 4: they want every body part, They want every tooth. It 454 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 4: matters in a way I cannot properly express here. You 455 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 4: think they're gonna take abuse from Moss no matter what 456 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 4: Trump wants, no matter what peace deal he's trying to get, 457 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 4: no matter what Nobel rides he desires, these rallies won't 458 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 4: do it. Those days are over. There are no more 459 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 4: October sixth Israelies. They are October eighth Israelis. Moss is 460 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 4: gonna go. But if you want to disarm the way 461 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 4: Trump is discussing, I don't know how that does not 462 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 4: go through the Iranian regime. I'm Tony Katz, and this 463 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 4: is Tony Katz today, Justice Jackson. 464 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 10: I think that that information led to led the officers 465 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 10: on the scene because there are deliberations that are captured 466 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 10: on bodycam. Those deliberations by officers with quite a lot 467 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 10: of extensive experience with mister Case are powerful evidence that 468 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 10: mister Case was unlikely to shoot himself because they're talking 469 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 10: about him provoking a confrontation with the police. And I 470 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 10: would just just quote, for example, police Chief Sather says 471 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 10: he ain't got the guts. This is probably the tenth 472 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 10: time I've dealt with him doing this, or Sergeant Pasha 473 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 10: who says he's been suicide for silent care. 474 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 8: In this particular case, let me just try to understand 475 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 8: the standard that you want us to apply. Yeah, sure, 476 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 8: you say that it should be probable cause I thought 477 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 8: we already had the Emergency Aid exception requiring quote unquote 478 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 8: an objectively reasonable belief that an emergency is occurring. 479 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 4: And isar J. 480 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 2: Brown said not to be a fear probability or something? 481 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 4: He was asking the questions right there. Supreme Court has 482 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 4: now moved on to another case. Tony Kap Yes, Tony Katts. 483 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 4: Today the arguments happen kind of quickly. The decisions take 484 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 4: months to put together. This is right now being discussed 485 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 4: in front of the Supreme Court as we speak. This 486 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 4: is a Fourth Amendment case called Case versus Montana. That 487 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 4: is the story. Police officers went to the home of 488 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 4: William Case. This is after Case his former girlfriend told him. 489 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 4: The case an army veteran, had threatened to commit suicide, 490 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 4: as you just heard, was being discussed. When the girlfriend 491 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 4: told Case that she planned to contact the police, he 492 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 4: threatened to harm any police officers who came to his home. 493 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 4: Three police officers went to Case's house. They said they 494 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 4: did not think about getting a warrant to go in 495 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 4: because it wasn't a criminal thing. Instead, they were going 496 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 4: to assist him. So now the question is to the justices, 497 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 4: how certain police must be that there is an emergency 498 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 4: before they could enter a home without a warrant? Is, 499 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 4: as Amy Howe writes over ats Cootis blog, isn't enough 500 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 4: as the Montana Supreme Court held that police only have 501 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 4: reasonable suspicion that there is an emergency, or are police 502 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 4: officers required to meet a higher bar and have probable 503 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 4: cause to believe that there is an emergency? Now, without 504 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 4: hearing any other parts of the argument, I argue they 505 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 4: have to have the highest bar because it is undoubtedly true. 506 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 4: And our officers are gonna yell at me, and people 507 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 4: are gonna tell me I'm anti police, and I'm not 508 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 4: anti police. I'm just pro rights and my rights come 509 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 4: before the job. The police does or the police do. Absolutely, 510 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 4: police believe they can enter any home, do anything, decide 511 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 4: something's an emergency. I'll give you the greatest example. Police 512 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 4: come to the door and as you answer the door, 513 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 4: and you're like, I'm not gonn answer any more questions. 514 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 4: Do you go to close the door and a cop 515 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 4: will put their foot in the door. Have you seen 516 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 4: these videos? And then if you slam the door on 517 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 4: the cops foot, you attack the I believe that officer 518 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 4: should be fired on the spot and lose their pension. 519 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 4: Tell me I'm wrong, But it goes to the idea 520 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 4: of if they just say, well, I thought it was 521 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 4: an emergency, is that really enough? I argue, no, incredibly 522 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 4: interesting case. There could be details that sway me and 523 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 4: change my mind. I'm all about it. More to get 524 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 4: to find everything at tonycats dot com. Don't leave. This 525 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 4: is Tony Kats Today.