1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Day twenty two, Casey day twenty two, and we're all 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: still fine. I mean, at least you and me. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: We're good. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: Caba Piers upright as well. 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: We don't work for the federal government. 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Unless it's some sort of weekend at Bernie situation. 7 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 3: So all three of us here in the Kendall and 8 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 3: Casey are but we're we're doing great. 9 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 4: Senate Republicans they had lunch yesterday with the President. Okay, 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 4: they were showing a united front in support of extending 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 4: government funding. Trump said that Republicans will not be extorted 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 4: by Democrats. 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: And that kind of signaled there's no. 14 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 4: End to this shutdown. The Democrats, on their part, they 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 4: called the lunch a pep rally. Isn't everything with Donald 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 4: Trump a rally of some sort? 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 3: Well, you know, look, good government, good anything. 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this yesterday. 19 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 3: Good anything is defined on clear vision and action plan. 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: And in the case of our government, and this is 21 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 3: true whether Republicans or Democrats are running the show, there 22 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 3: is zero clear action plan, like what are we trying 23 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: to do? What is our end goal? And they don't 24 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 3: do that in government because they don't want you judging them, 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: because they fail at everything. 26 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: And so. 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 3: In like just bring it down to the state level. 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: What is the goal of our state government? What are 29 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: they trying to do? 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: Well? 31 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 4: Right now it feels like the goal of our state 32 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 4: government is to redistrict well, but you keep themselves. 33 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: In power like them more like. 34 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 3: What is if you were to say, what is the 35 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 3: mission statement of the Brawn administration and the Republican super 36 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: majorities in the Indiana General Assembly? There is nothing, Like 37 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 3: there's no clear defined thing. It's not, hey, we're going 38 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: to get your taxes as low as possible, or we're 39 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: going to cut the government as much as pos you know, like, 40 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: there's no and so you then you take it to Washington, DC, 41 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: and it's even worse. And so this whole thing is 42 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: very depressing because you realize under the Republicans, it's not 43 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: going to get any better. It's not going to because 44 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 3: one of the things they're talking about doing now, this 45 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 3: is fascinating, you'll love this. This is the most Republican 46 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: thing ever. So we're still running like trillion dollar annual deficits. 47 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: We're thirty or almost thirty eight trillion in debt, Inflation 48 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: is still very high, prices of stuff still totally out 49 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: of control. One of the things that they're talking about 50 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: doing now is instead of doing a short term continuing 51 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 3: resolution because the House is not going to have to 52 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 3: come back and pass something new because they're running out 53 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 3: of time. This current continuing resolution that they passed runs 54 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: to November twenty. First, they're simply they're acknowledging, now, hey, 55 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: based on the fact that we're almost too November, it's 56 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 3: not enough time to do these appropriations. When we come back, 57 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: et cetera, we're gonna have to pass something new. So 58 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 3: the fight is about what new they're going to do. 59 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: And one of the proposals that is gaining steam is 60 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: a continuing resolution that would last an entire year, in 61 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 3: which they would continue the status quo of trillion dollar 62 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: plus annual deficits blah blah blah for an entire year, 63 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: which means they wouldn't have to act on anything for 64 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: an entire year. And this is an actual idea that 65 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: I think The Hill had a big article on this yesterday. 66 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: That is, it's not just in some pocket of the 67 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: Republican Party. There are more and more voices saying, well, 68 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 3: if we have to come back, let's just do this. 69 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: Because they don't want to deal with it. And so 70 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,839 Speaker 3: what you realize is it's not getting any better. It's 71 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: just what level of worse is going to occur. 72 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: So the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson and the 73 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 4: Senate Majority Leader John Thune, they said that the November 74 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 4: deadline may be extended. If we don't reach that down, 75 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 4: then we'll just extend the deadline. And now there's competing 76 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 4: bills that are going on. You've got some Democrats that 77 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 4: are drafting a bill to pay all the federal workers 78 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 4: during the shutdown, and then you've got some center Republicans 79 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 4: they're working on a competing bill that would only pay 80 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 4: essential workers, which are like TSA agents and air traffic controllers. 81 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 4: So at this point they're picking and choosing who they're 82 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 4: going to target to pay. 83 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 3: But let's come back to why this is being caused, 84 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: and at the heart of it is the chaos and 85 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: ineffective nature of government as a collective. It's broken by design. 86 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter anymore who's in charge. The system itself, 87 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 3: and the weight has been created, and the weight has 88 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: been altered and changed over the years, is so messed 89 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: up that it doesn't matter who's in charge anymore. Think 90 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: about this. Your primary job as a elected official, whether 91 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 3: you are a city councilor a state rep or or 92 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 3: a House US House or representator, is to craft and 93 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 3: pass a budget to fund whatever government agency you oversee. 94 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: Look at the disaster we're seeing Washington. They spent how 95 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: many months endlessly obsessing over that big bullcrap bill instead 96 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: of doing their actual job. Now we can't keep the 97 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: government open. Washington's a disaster. Look at how bad they 98 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: were on a state level where they missed their budget 99 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: projection by two billion dollars and then at the end 100 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: they were just like, well, screw it, we'll just raise 101 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 3: taxes by a billion. So at the federal and state level, 102 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 3: both run by Republicans, by the way, Republicans are in 103 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 3: charge of both of these things, look at what an 104 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: utter disaster it is at their one core responsibility. 105 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 4: Well, you had asked what is the goal of the 106 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 4: state government, what is the broad administration's goal? And did 107 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 4: he say during his inaugural address that he he was 108 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 4: going to give property tax reform one good shot. 109 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: That's correct, that was the priority for him. 110 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: That's right. What happened? It failed, all right? 111 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 3: Because he's not a fighter and people know that. Look, 112 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 3: people sense weakness, people sense strength. Why do these politicians 113 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: get lippy like we saw with that total zero Chris 114 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: Chris Garton the other day, Senator Majority floor leader who 115 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 3: got super tough guy on the internet and then as 116 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 3: soon as I said, hey, why don't you come say 117 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 3: it to my face for everybody to hear, what do 118 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: you do? He cowered in the corner and cried himself 119 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: to sleep. Because they sense strength, and they know why 120 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: does Todd Rokeita go on other shows on this radio 121 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: station and say horrible things about me and then when 122 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: I say say it to my face for everybody to hear, 123 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: he don't want any part of that. Because they sense 124 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: strength and they can say whatever they want about me 125 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 3: and about this show. They know this show is strength, 126 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: but they also sense weakness. That's why they crafted that 127 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 3: property tax bill. There was a giant slap in the 128 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: face to Braun because they know Braun likes to be 129 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: slapped around. They know Braun wasn't going to stand up 130 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: to them. They know Braun wasn't going to fight back. 131 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: And the Democrats know, and this is why they refuse 132 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: to open the government. They know the Republicans will ultimately cave. 133 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: They know there is not strength amongst the Republicans. 134 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about the filibuster, because you've got 135 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 4: Senator John Fetterman. He's supporting the Republican led effort to 136 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 4: override the Senate filibuster. He said, that's the Nuclear Options 137 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 4: Passive bill. And here he is talking about how every 138 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 4: day of the shutdown, it's just the same thing over 139 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: and over again. 140 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 5: Are you surprised that vote after vote it's just been 141 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 5: three Democrats timing again who voted for this bill? 142 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 6: And does that surprise you? 143 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's groundhog Day, you know. And I'm just saying, 144 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 7: and it's not entertaining. That's a great movie. But and 145 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 7: now it's like, now real damage is gonna are now 146 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 7: touching the lives of regular Americans and we all lose. 147 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 7: And it's embarrassing to our to our allies and to 148 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 7: our enemies abroad. 149 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: But if you're the Democrats, why wouldn't you do this? 150 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: They ran on it, you know. The Republicans they always cave. 151 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: Look what happened in twenty nineteen, the last time we 152 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: did this. Look what happened in twenty thirteen. The Republicans 153 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: always give in Rai, Raggy Regi. Republicans always give in. 154 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: That's ourgi. Republicans always give in. It's not as cool 155 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 3: as taco, but Republicans always give in. 156 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: That you're making stuff up and so. 157 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 3: If you don't actually give a damn about the country, 158 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 3: which they clearly don't, but neither do the Republicans. These 159 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: people are all just in there to serve different masters. 160 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 3: Like that's what people got to get through their heads. 161 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 3: The Republicans aren't helping you either. They're just trying to 162 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: get a headache out of the way so they can 163 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 3: get back to business as usual. 164 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: They're not doing anything. 165 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: It's not like the Republicans have taken some great stand 166 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 3: where we will finally pay our bills, we will finally 167 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 3: balance our budget, we will finally get government under control. 168 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: No, we will finally continue Biden spending. That's what they did. 169 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: There are no there's nobody. There's nobody here that other 170 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 3: than Massy and Ran Paul, and I don't know, maybe 171 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: there's one or two others, but I don't think so 172 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 3: that are on your side on this. It's just various 173 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: people playing different games, and you're going to suffer in 174 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 3: the process. 175 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: And they don't care. 176 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to Kendall and Casey. It is ninety three WIBC. 177 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: All right, what's going on with beef? Because people are 178 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: up in arms over this stuff with beef. 179 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of talk about it. 180 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 4: Donald Trump said he would have the US purchase beef 181 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 4: from Argentina, and this is to help lower domestic beef prices. 182 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 4: He said this when he was on Air Force One. 183 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: Let's take a listen. 184 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 7: Question is what do you have to say to US 185 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 7: farmers who feel that the deal is benefiting Argentina more 186 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 7: than it is them as they. 187 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 5: Are, Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady, you 188 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 5: don't know anything about it. They're fighting for their life. 189 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 5: Nothing is benefiting Argentina. They're fighting for their life. You 190 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 5: understand what that means. They have no money, they have 191 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 5: no anything. They're fighting so hard to survive. If I 192 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 5: can help them survive in a free world. I happen 193 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 5: to like the president of Argentina. I think he's trying 194 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 5: to do the best he can. But don't make it 195 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 5: sound like they're doing great. They are dying, all right, 196 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 5: They're dying. 197 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 7: Yeah. 198 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: Okay, here's the problem with this and this look, Trump 199 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: does this all the time, and you know there's certain 200 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: times he doesn't. It's funny, but then like that, like 201 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: just totally dismissing that lady and like trying to act 202 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: like she's some sort of gotcha question. No, US farmers 203 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: are very upset about this. There's all sorts of articles 204 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 3: written about this, including by people in outlets that are 205 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: friendly to Trump and Republicans. And the problem Trump has 206 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: is he created this environment. He promises everything to everyone. 207 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: It's the unreasonable promise. And when you're the government, you 208 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: can't promise everything to everyone because eventually you run out 209 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: of other people's stuff. And when you're crafting these policies, Oh, 210 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 3: I'm gonna make us the trade envia the world. We're 211 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: going to strengthen American production again, we're gonna bring. 212 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: It back home. 213 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 3: Okay, there's ramifications for that, and the ramifications are gonna 214 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 3: be that other people are gonna feel pain because of that, 215 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: and in many cases, on a variety of areas we 216 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: have laid out it's farmers. Okay, well, now we've got 217 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: to bout the farmers because well they all voted for me. 218 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: So let's take this money, this tariff money, and give 219 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: it to them. 220 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: Well, wait a second, you told us the tariffs are 221 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: going to be great because we was going to pay 222 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 3: down the debt, and then you're gonna give money back 223 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: to us. You see how this never ends when you 224 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: just keep promising stuff to people. So for him to 225 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 3: be super dismissive of this, no, mister president, farmers are 226 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 3: very upset about this because you promised to be the 227 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: farmer's best friend and it ain't working out. 228 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: This is talking directly to his base people who supported 229 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 4: him a lot. And he said that this is part 230 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 4: of a move, a broader effort to control inflation. But 231 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 4: isn't this really just a short term solution because part 232 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 4: of the issue here is that we need more meat 233 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 4: processors and inspectors and streamline regulation on this. I mean, 234 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 4: you look at like Meriweather Farms. They're a huge cattle farmer, 235 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 4: and they're saying, you know, you're suggesting to buy beef 236 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 4: from Argentina to stabilized prices is an absolute betrayal to 237 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 4: the American cattle rancher. 238 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: That's the way they're feeling. 239 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 4: So people are really mad about this decision. 240 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: Well, but it's very hypocritical of him because you know 241 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 3: when he told those reporters like, well, we could buy 242 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: the bee from Argentina to bring the prices down. Okay, 243 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 3: But that's what all the other stuff that you've railed 244 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: on is about. The reason we got these trade agreements 245 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 3: is other countries because they don't have the labor laws, 246 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: et cetera that we do make stuff cheaper. So on 247 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 3: one hand, oh, we got to deal with this country 248 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 3: and we got to deal with that country, and this 249 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 3: is out of control. And that's out of control, not 250 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: disputing that. But now when you're feeling the heat, what 251 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 3: are you doing basically the exact same thing. You're looking 252 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: to another country. Now, they like, what's his face that 253 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: runs Argentina? 254 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: Are million Malay? 255 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 5: Yeah? 256 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: In La Yeah, they like him and he Now this 257 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: is what this is all about. Right, Milay's got a 258 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if they call him midterms in that country, 259 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: but Milay has so let's give you the story. Right, 260 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 3: this is about protecting Malay because he's got a midterm 261 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: election coming up that could dramatically affect his ability to 262 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 3: govern going forward. They want Malay to be in a 263 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 3: position of power and they need a strong Argentinian economy 264 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 3: in order to boost Malay's chances of winning the election. 265 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: So what does Trump do in a totally political act. 266 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 3: He spare me that he gives two damns about the 267 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: people of Argentina. He wants Malay in a position of strength. 268 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 3: He proposes to do this, which is going to hurt 269 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 3: the people back home, but he don't care because the 270 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 3: politics is more important. 271 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 4: A twenty billion credit swap line is what is happening. 272 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 4: But that's it, he said to that reporter. They're fighting 273 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 4: for their lives. Do you understand that, mister president, Do 274 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 4: you understand Americans are fighting. You're squeezing out the middle 275 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 4: class and there are so many people that are struggling 276 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 4: right now. And everybody loves beef. We love our steak, 277 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 4: We love our beef and our burgers. Why is it 278 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: so expensive right now? Well, you've got drought part of it. 279 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 4: But the high grain price is the feed also the inflation, 280 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: the interest rates, and the tariffs, all of the things 281 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 4: that Donald Trump has had a hand in. 282 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: That's right, all right, speak of things that are out 283 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: of control. Our utility bills are out of control. And 284 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 3: this is gonna be a fascinating segment. So Jim Marrett 285 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: Gono his next thirty years in the Indiana Senate, but 286 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: he is also on this i u r C nominating committee, 287 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission, and they he's on the 288 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 3: nominating committee. There'll be three people pointed to this board 289 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 3: who will play a major role in setting utility rates 290 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: going forward. We're going to learn about this whole process 291 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: and what sort of person people they're looking for. Is 292 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: it reasonable to say that the next person come out 293 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: and say no utility rate increases, like the governor has 294 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: tried to kind of indicate. 295 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: We'll get to all of that coming up next. 296 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: It's ninety three w IBC. 297 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 8: Good morning, Casey. 298 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: The future of humanity hangs in his hands. Oh wow, 299 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: that's a. 300 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: Lot of responsibility. 301 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a fair statement, isn't it. 302 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever happens with this i u r C, well, 303 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 3: at least our utility bills, lay it on his sh 304 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 3: It's either going to be all the praise given to 305 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: this guy or all the blame. 306 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm thirty years the Indiana Senate. 307 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: Now he's got to pick some people that'll probably let 308 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: us all down. Jim Brrett, Hello, Robert, this is gonna 309 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 3: be a fascinating segment because I think you're gonna be 310 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 3: able to give our public insight into and those Look, 311 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: this is one things our show does better than anybody else. 312 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: We open the. 313 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: Doors of government and say here's how it works. And 314 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: I think over the next several minutes, you're gonna give 315 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 3: us a great insight into how the iu r C works, 316 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: how this nominating committee that you're on works, and what 317 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 3: what you actually expect out of these people that are 318 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: going to start making choices on utility bills. All right, 319 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 3: so let's start with this just I think most people 320 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 3: are aware, but make sure we get this sort of 321 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 3: you know, the ABC's of this. The iu r C, 322 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: the Indiana Utility Regulatory Committee controls basically all things commission 323 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: controls all things basically related to utilities in the state 324 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 3: of Indiana. 325 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 6: Yes, along with the Office of Utility Consumer Counselor. 326 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 3: Right, but they make and the choices are more than 327 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: just rates. There's all sorts of things that this commission oversees. 328 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: Yes, all right. 329 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: And there are three vacancies that are about to occur 330 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: on this. 331 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 6: Commission, including the chairman. The chairman the current chairman is retiring, 332 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 6: So yes, all right, and they Ultimately the governor will 333 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 6: make the choice of who the people are your group 334 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 6: of is it five people on your group? It's seven 335 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 6: seven seven, Okay. 336 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 3: You will present names to him and then he has 337 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: to decide from those names. 338 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: That's exactly right, all right. 339 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: So one of the things I think that there was 340 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: sort of a misnomer on was that you will just 341 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 3: give him a name and then he rejects or accepts. 342 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 3: You're actually gonna give him three names to choose three 343 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 3: names for. 344 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 6: The three spots. Yeah, there is a Democrat spot or 345 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 6: a non Republican spot, if you will, if it's a libertarian, 346 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 6: and a Republican spot, and another Republican spot. 347 00:17:59,200 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: So the two. 348 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 6: Republic consts and and and one Democrat spot and and 349 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 6: so we we received forty seven names. And this is 350 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 6: all in the code. This is all in black and white. 351 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 6: And for the last thirty five years I had something 352 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 6: to do with making sure that the public had all 353 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 6: the all the input that they could. And this nominating committee, UH, 354 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 6: where we. 355 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: Were all named. 356 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 6: There was three appointees from the governor, uh, the Democrat, 357 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 6: lead Democrat in the House, the lead Democrat, and the 358 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 6: Senate the lead Democrat and the lead Republican in the House, 359 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,479 Speaker 6: lead Republican in the Senate all had appointees. I am 360 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 6: appointed by Senator Rod Bray, who is the President pro Temporary. 361 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 3: Chief of the Senate. Will you admit that, yes, Well 362 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: in this audio on this show. The bottom line is. 363 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 6: We we uh we we we we. 364 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: We gathered the other day. 365 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 6: We had forty seven, uh, forty seven candidates that we 366 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 6: we could not appoint everyone. We met in an executive session 367 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 6: so that we could, just like you on the council 368 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 6: out in Brownsburg, so we could discuss freely all forty 369 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 6: seven of these candidates, and we we narrowed it down 370 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 6: to twenty two. 371 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 3: Okay, So let's do a couple of things. One, I 372 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: have no problem with you guys doing that, because you 373 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: have to be able to talk about people, and you 374 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: may say some not nice things about people who are 375 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: just trying to apply for something, right. 376 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 6: But I don't say not nice no, no, I used 377 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 6: to do. 378 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: Though I used to all time. I don't have promide 379 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 3: that we can talk freely, but you have, so I 380 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: have no problem with that. The interviews will be public people. 381 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: You have narrowed it down. 382 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 6: Oh anybody, Yes, anybody can get on the internet and 383 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 6: I in dot gov. Yeah, and watch everything we do 384 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 6: from now on. 385 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 3: Okay, so we've laid out the groundwork of how this 386 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 3: is all going right and by this is super important ever, 387 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 3: right because whoever these people are, whoever gets picked, are 388 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 3: going to decide what you pay utility rates right. 389 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 6: Right now that we have twenty two names and they're 390 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 6: being vetted right now, vetted meaning making sure that they 391 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 6: are they are actually a Republican, or they're actually a 392 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 6: Democrat or independent and all those different varieties where we 393 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 6: can make the very best decision after their interview. 394 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: Okay, the vetting the Governor's office. 395 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 3: Okay, So ultimately Braun makes the call. You give him 396 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: the names, Ron makes the choice. 397 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 6: Yes, there will be three names that we give him 398 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 6: for each spot, meaning nine out of the twenty two 399 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 6: individuals that we have narrowed this down to will be 400 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 6: suggested to the governor. Should he decide that he not 401 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 6: want any of the three, if you will, from the 402 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 6: different category or positions, then he sends it back to 403 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 6: us and we have to send him more recommendation. 404 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: Jim Merritt is our guest. 405 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: He is, of course thirty years in Indianocent, but also 406 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: on this i u RC nominating committee that's going to 407 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: decide who will head up the commission, the committee that's 408 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 3: going to really decide your utility rates going forward. Now 409 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: you pointed out and we were loath to do this 410 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: on the show casey, but before we got a hold 411 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 3: of this and started telling people about it, over the years, 412 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: there was zero interest in people applying. 413 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: And then we. 414 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: Started talking about it, and now you're shooing them away. 415 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 6: Yes, and just for our audience, welcome society. I've been 416 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 6: involved in these things since nineteen ninety one, the back 417 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 6: when I joined the Senate, the Commerce Committee made all 418 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 6: the really the policy for the state of Indiana regarding 419 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 6: all utility issues. And so I've seen this morph into 420 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 6: this very public standpoint, and we've come to a point 421 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 6: where that people will be at the table, serious people 422 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 6: will be at the table making decisions on your utility rates. 423 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 4: Jim, it's just the three of us. Nobody's listening. Are 424 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 4: there any candidates that you're leaning towards already? 425 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 6: I think there are a lot of I think there 426 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 6: are a lot of candidates that out of the twenty 427 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 6: two that could be commissioners and you know, you raise 428 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 6: a good question. The first thing I thought of when 429 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 6: I when we looked at a candidate is is this 430 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 6: is this a serious person who can be a commissioner 431 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 6: from day one? 432 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: That is you're laughing, Robert, Well, I just know some of. 433 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 3: The people that got some of the people who didn't 434 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 3: make the cut. 435 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: Go any way, go ahead, Jim, go ahead. 436 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 6: Well, you know, we we were very democratic, and everybody 437 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 6: had a vote, Democrats and Republicans on this committee. And 438 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 6: and uh, there are some people that I that I 439 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 6: thought would be a great interview that other people disagree 440 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 6: with and vice versa. So it was very open discussion 441 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 6: and I'm looking forward to next week and it's going 442 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 6: to be very transparent. 443 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: Okay, let's get to the meat the potatoes of this, 444 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: because people are I think have unreasonable expectations because Braun 445 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 3: has now come out and he's like Scrooge on Christmas morning, who, 446 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: after voting to screw the taxpayers, has now decided, well, we. 447 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: Need no more rate increases for anyone. 448 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 4: Right. 449 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 3: But the Indy of a Capitol Chronicle very very stutely 450 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 3: pointed out on the website of this commission their job 451 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 3: is not to be an advocate of the taxpayer. 452 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: Nor the utilities. 453 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 3: So if people think that that they're going to pick 454 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: somebody and they're just not going to raise rates anymore, 455 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 3: they're they're living on fantasy island. 456 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 6: When we said this in state House, happenings and Abdul 457 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 6: said it, rates will go up because inflation and the 458 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 6: whole situation with the federal government. It's going to happen. 459 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 6: But we need somebody that is going to enter office 460 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 6: right now that's going to make a good decision on 461 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 6: the AES decision. Regardless of what Joe Hogshead says. 462 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 4: How much priority do you place on somebody who's interested 463 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 4: or knowledgeable on renewables and solar or wind. 464 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 6: If you look at the candidates, there are a lot 465 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 6: of people that have interests in I personally think that 466 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 6: there is such a need for overwhelming power UH and 467 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 6: and everything that we do these days. I think that 468 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 6: is really the center part, but a center part of 469 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 6: of what a commission UH commission member will have to 470 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 6: make a decision on and renewables, it's. 471 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: All the above. 472 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 6: But I think that I think they're there. They tail, 473 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 6: they're kind of in the back of my. 474 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: We didn't even did do this show today because we 475 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: did it yesterday? Did I not say? That is exactly 476 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: what he was going to say? So based on you, 477 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: I've known you long enough, I know it. 478 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 2: Yes, sticking with your choices. 479 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I Look, I this is 480 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: what I said to people. 481 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 3: I said, there is clearly no desire by the State 482 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 3: of Indiana to get out of the data center game 483 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 3: and these power guzzler game. And that means that if 484 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: you're going to have that, there's not currently enough power 485 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: that exists to power homes and the data centers and 486 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 3: all this other stuff they're bringing in. So if you're 487 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: going to do that, you're gonna have to have a 488 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 3: whole bunch of new ways to bring power. And look, 489 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: you and I kind of disagree on this SMR step. 490 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: I think gets I think it's way off from being effective. 491 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 3: I know you're all in on the nuclear I don't 492 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 3: think point anywhere in this country where SMRs are doing 493 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 3: the freight. 494 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: But I said, people like. 495 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 3: You are going to ask those questions because you're a 496 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 3: firm believer in that stuff. 497 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 6: I am, and I am, and this data center in 498 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 6: Buruglio and Franklin Township was the first was the first 499 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 6: salvo of the public discussion. We're going to have to have. 500 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 6: I believe a nuclear power facility should be on federal 501 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 6: land like Crane down in south south east Indiana, where 502 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 6: it doesn't bother, it doesn't impact the rate payer. That 503 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 6: we can have federal land that you can You know 504 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 6: that Google did this very well in Tennessee. They're all 505 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 6: set up with the Tennessee Valley Authority to make a 506 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 6: great decision that does not impact the rape payer. And 507 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 6: I think that's a very important part that this Commission's 508 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 6: going to have to ferret out. 509 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: Jama joining us. 510 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 4: You had mentioned that there are seven people on the 511 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 4: nominating committee and one of the people is Susie Jabowski. 512 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: Does one person have more weight than the other? 513 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 6: No, No, Susie was an administrator guided the conversation. But uh 514 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 6: uh it was quite apparent that she wanted a very 515 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 6: democratic look at this and and took all comers and uh, 516 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 6: obviously the Democrats on the on the committee that we 517 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 6: had new Democrats more so than we did and so 518 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 6: we we benefited from a variety of people on the committee. 519 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 6: And uh, and she guided the conversation. 520 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: Hey, before we let you go because I think this 521 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: is actually super important. 522 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 3: It came out and saye's happening, and we'll end with 523 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 3: this this it can be your only job if you 524 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 3: are selected to this thing, saying this will be your 525 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 3: only job. 526 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: So there's no Hey, I'm gonna have some part time. 527 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 6: There's no, there's no The state government has and we 528 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 6: were reminded of this in the in the meeting. In fact, 529 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 6: state government has some strict uh sick rules that you 530 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 6: couldn't You couldn't have these and the term and I 531 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 6: asked if gig was actually in the code. But no, 532 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 6: you can't have outside job employment. This is a nine 533 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 6: to five. You entered the what I call the cave 534 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 6: of the I rec when you become employed. 535 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, see, you can't take that pay cut case. I'm 536 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: glad you don't even apply. 537 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 5: Right. 538 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think I would have made the cut. 539 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: I would have been forty. 540 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 4: Oh you know, when you already said that no one 541 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 4: person has more say than the other, that was your opportunity, 542 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 4: by the way, to say yes. 543 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 2: I have all of the authority. That's right, slide next. 544 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 6: You know, it's interesting, sure on time, But I was 545 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 6: the only person that was not new on this nominee, 546 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 6: all fresh blood on this nominating committee. And before we 547 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 6: were we were encouraging, we were pulling people off the 548 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 6: street to apply last time. And because of Casey and Kendall, 549 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 6: we firsty sellboard. 550 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: I'll asked that you get it correct. 551 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 3: Thank you anyway, Jim Merritt finding him on Twitter at 552 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 3: Jim Underscore Merit at the Jamriic in the morning. Is 553 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 3: the podcast fight It on YouTube as well as Facebook. 554 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 3: Thank you. 555 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 4: You're listening to Kettle and Casey on ninety three WYBC. 556 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 2: Will they Chicken Man? 557 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: Casey, I have such a life problem right now and I'm. 558 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: Gonna need you to help me on you have a dilemma. 559 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: Okay, So Friday, the Springsteen movie comes. 560 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 3: Out, deliver Me from Nowhere, and it is supposed to 561 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 3: be we'll see all about the making of the album Nebraska. 562 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 3: Deliver Me from Nowhere was a book by Warren Zayan's 563 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 3: It's a fabulous book and they've made it now into 564 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 3: a movie Delivered Me from Nowhere, And this is such 565 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 3: the actual story itself. Look, this is there are two albums, 566 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: and I'm so concerned about this and I know it's 567 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 3: like such a first world problem. But there are two 568 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 3: albums that really changed my life and really helped me 569 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 3: at a time where I was not doing very well, 570 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 3: and that is Bruce Springsteen's Darkness on the Edge of 571 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 3: Town and Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska. And so on one hand, 572 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 3: it is so cool to me that of all the 573 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 3: things they could make a movie about about your hero, 574 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: they made a movie about an album that so profoundly 575 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: impacted your own life. So that was a part of 576 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 3: me like, this is the coolest thing ever. But then 577 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: Casey the story itself is so interesting in which he's 578 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 3: this he's not a megastar yet, and so this is 579 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 3: set in like nineteen eighty two. He's not yet superstar, 580 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: biggest rock star in the world. Born in the USA 581 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 3: does not happen yet. He's sort of this guy that 582 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: was popular on the coast. He done Born to Ronnie, 583 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 3: done Darkness on the Edge of Town, he done the River. 584 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 3: And then he's going through such a tumultuous time in 585 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: his own personal existence, which is I think why this 586 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: album's so connected with me. And he finds out about 587 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: the invention of the four track recorder, which was like 588 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 3: groundbreaking technology in nineteen eighty. 589 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 4: Two, right, and he becomes just obsessed with the lo 590 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 4: fi technology, and. 591 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 3: He's in this house, this little bitty house in his bedroom, 592 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 3: and he starts playing around with it, and he has 593 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 3: all these songs, and he records this demo tape in 594 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 3: which he's just sort of baring his soul in the 595 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 3: demo tape because he's basically talking to himself and he 596 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 3: doesn't think anybody's ever going to hear it. So it's 597 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: this hauntingly painful dive into this guy's soul who's struggling 598 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 3: with the idea of what if this is the best 599 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 3: I'm going to do in my life, which is at 600 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: the time I experienced this album in my own life. 601 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 3: And he then takes this cassette tape and tries. 602 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: To recreate it with this band, and he's. 603 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 3: Like, no, I'm not capturing the pain and the sorrow 604 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 3: of the people on this album with my band. So 605 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: then his management is like, well, we can't just take 606 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 3: a cassette tape. 607 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: You got to do it in the studio. 608 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 3: So he tries to do it by himself in the 609 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 3: studio and he's like, no, I'm still not capturing the 610 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 3: turmoil of these people. He goes the cassette tape is 611 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: the album, and so they take this cassette tape and 612 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 3: make this iconic album and it's an incredible story. And 613 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: you're like, Rob, how could you don't want to go 614 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 3: see this movie? Because I'm worried they're gonna bastardize it 615 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 3: and what they meant, what this is meant to my existence? 616 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 2: Case of course they are. So let me just review 617 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: some of the reviews with you. 618 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 4: Okay, let's see here has more soul than swagger. Isn't 619 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 4: a wreck on the highway, but it's not born to 620 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 4: run either? Is it Jersey? 621 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 2: Enough? Boring? 622 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 4: That's my favorite boring? So I still think you need 623 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 4: to go see it, do I? Or are you going 624 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 4: to be disappointed? 625 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 3: But what if they just do is so the Elvis 626 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 3: movie was garbage because they. 627 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: Just never happened. 628 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 2: Right right? They took creative license. Of course they're gonna 629 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 2: do that. 630 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: And I can't let them bastardize something that meant so 631 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: much to me. And I'm gonna know so many things 632 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: that didn't happen. 633 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 3: Or if they try to get cute with it, the 634 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: story itself is interesting enough. 635 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 4: Do it for Jeremy Allen White. He lost his voice 636 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 4: a few days while making the movie. 637 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: He needs the money, don't you. 638 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 2: Owe it to him? Imagine being him. 639 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 4: He's the actor who portrays Bruce Springsteen in the movie. 640 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 4: Bruce Springsteen was on this set while they were making 641 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 4: the movie. H No pressure, right, Like you're playing the 642 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 4: guy that's sitting there in the director's chair watching you 643 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 4: do you. 644 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting? Though? Like, so you've seen what have 645 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: been the big ones. 646 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 3: There was the Queen movie, Dylan, the Elvis movie, now 647 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 3: this one on Springsteen, Like this is the new genre because, 648 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 3: let's face it, we used to be a better country 649 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 3: and people yearn for the past, and that's why they 650 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 3: keep making these movies because it takes people back to 651 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 3: a time in which things that maybe and maybe it's 652 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,479 Speaker 3: just perception, maybe it's not even even was better, but 653 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 3: people view it as better times and characters were more interesting. 654 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 3: Freddie Mercury, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Elvis infally more interesting 655 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 3: than anything going on in music today. 656 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 4: Well, I've got you a seat at the Plainfield Theater 657 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 4: right in the middle first showing eleven dollars nineteen cents. 658 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: That's what's it cost. To go to a movie. 659 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: Now there you go, eleven Bucks. 660 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: I can't do it. 661 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 4: Just tell me to hit select and you're there. It 662 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 4: is Kendally Casey. 663 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 2: It's ninety three WIBC.