Speaker 1: Lie from baal hartbind and the Crossroads of America. It's
Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.
Speaker 2: You can't deny that Tucker Carlson knows how to make news.
Speaker 3: He does.
Speaker 2: He really and truly does know how to The one
Speaker 2: thing that we had discussed repeatedly when Tucker Carlson was
Speaker 2: at Fox was that a lot of people can comment
Speaker 2: on news, making news very very different, starting a conversation
Speaker 2: about an idea, very very very different. Did I say
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Speaker 3: That's not easy to do and he was able to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 2: And it was quite impressive. Glenn Beck was able to
Speaker 2: do that, quite impressive. Both have gone in different directions
Speaker 2: now Glenn Beck has been able to reinvent himself a
Speaker 2: couple of times. It's an incredible story. Really is Tucker
Speaker 2: after leaving Fox rightly or wrongly fired, I think debated,
Speaker 2: But he went on his own and started this thing.
Speaker 2: He started doing the interviews and the videos on Twitter,
Speaker 2: on X and people like, look see you don't need
Speaker 2: Fox because they were mad at Fox.
Speaker 3: Mad as can be for letting him go.
Speaker 2: And I understood that. I thought it wasn't the right move.
Speaker 2: And Tucker was doing his videos and you looked at
Speaker 2: the millions of views, You're like, this is this is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And then Tucker went to Russia and people said, oh, sure,
Speaker 2: he's gonna glorify Putin.
Speaker 3: I said, wait a second.
Speaker 2: You you have a chance to interview Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 3: You take the chance, you.
Speaker 2: Go in your interview of Vladimir Putin. I had no
Speaker 2: issue with him doing that. I had no issue with
Speaker 2: the interviewing. I like parts, didn't like parts. Fine, letting
Speaker 2: him talk too much. He's trying to as Putin is doing,
Speaker 2: trying to reinvent history as the reasons why he actually
Speaker 2: the Russians owned this land and that land or the Ukraine,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 3: That part didn't bother me.
Speaker 2: It was kind of the typical stuff I would expect
Speaker 2: from from Putin. What got to me was Tucker going
Speaker 2: to a Russian supermarket which we would just call market
Speaker 2: because there's no way it was super and saying, look
Speaker 2: how clean this is. Isn't this great? And look at
Speaker 2: these prices. These prices are incredible. At that moment, the
Speaker 2: term useful idiot just punches you in the face. Oh,
Speaker 2: it slaps you both ways with the hand to the
Speaker 2: front and to the back. So Russian supermarket that they
Speaker 2: sent you this is good. They happened to send you
Speaker 2: to the one that actually had some food. No, things
Speaker 2: are not great with the Russian economy. They're better. You're
Speaker 2: gonna now start saying, Wow, the system here is really terrific.
Speaker 3: What's wrong with you? What next?
Speaker 2: Bringing back Walter Duranty to tell me there's no famine
Speaker 2: in Ukraine?
Speaker 3: Stop it? What are you doing?
Speaker 2: You could watch him doing it, and all I could
Speaker 2: think of my head is slow motion.
Speaker 3: No come bu.
Speaker 1: But no.
Speaker 2: Once he did that, he was he was gone, and
Speaker 2: he has proven himself gone ever since. And now he
Speaker 2: is in the place where never mind uh his uh
Speaker 2: anti Israel zealotry, but rather he's in the place of
Speaker 2: Trump lied to you, Dunda dun, Trump betrayed you. Maga
Speaker 2: is dead, and it is up to me, Tucker Carlson,
Speaker 2: to make things right, which he followed it up with
Speaker 2: that was my laugh impression. Sometimes it's better. That wasn't
Speaker 2: my best one.
Speaker 3: It's gotta be a little deeper, a little more rich.
Speaker 3: It's more like that, it's more.
Speaker 2: And Tucker put out a photo last week. It was
Speaker 2: him and this guy Joe Kent. If you remember the
Speaker 2: story of Joe Kent, and oh what a whistleblower, not
Speaker 2: a not a whistleblower. And it's Congressman Thomas Massey, who
Speaker 2: to me is great disappointment. And it's former Representative Marjorie
Speaker 2: Taylor Green, who I said at then and I say
Speaker 2: it now. Marjorie Taylor Green was somebody who was going
Speaker 2: to vote the way I wanted her to vote a
Speaker 2: few times. And that's what I was gonna have to
Speaker 2: deal with. No part of me wants anything to do
Speaker 2: with Marjorie Taylor Green. I'm still not past space lavers
Speaker 2: a space laser. Sorry, I'm not past the space lasers.
Speaker 2: That was just weird. Everything about her, everything about her
Speaker 2: just no thanks, none. And I still say that if
Speaker 2: you're connected to Marjorie Taylor Green and you want to
Speaker 2: do something and she's the person you're doing with with no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it matters. It matters sometimes the bedfellow matters. This goes
Speaker 2: back to something that Abdul Sad said when he was
Speaker 2: asked about who he campaigns with and the kind of
Speaker 2: people like the absolute free Cassan Piker, and he was
Speaker 2: asked this question.
Speaker 1: Do you intend to continue to campaign with us on Piker?
Speaker 3: I'm focused on campaigning in this state, all over the state.
Speaker 3: I'm not as focused on who I'm campaigning with. I'm
Speaker 3: focused on who I'm campaigning for, which.
Speaker 2: Is you're not focusing on who you're campaigning with. Okay,
Speaker 2: go campaigning with David Duke and let me know how
Speaker 2: it goes. I'll wait, I'll just I'll wait right here
Speaker 2: and let's see how it goes.
Speaker 3: No. No, you're not concerned with who you're campaigning with.
Speaker 2: What Republican could ever get away with that line? You're
Speaker 2: not concerned about who you're campaigning with. A guy who
Speaker 2: says he hates the country and we deserve nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: If I went campaign with Greg Baveno, who ran a
Speaker 2: border patrol, who was doing the ice work in Minneapolis,
Speaker 2: I'd get vilified.
Speaker 3: Four ways from Sunday.
Speaker 2: But you get campaign with this commie loving Hassan Piker,
Speaker 2: this pseudo tough guy, and it's fun. Who else can
Speaker 2: you campaign with that. If it doesn't matter you're campaigning with.
Speaker 2: I just want to know how the new rules work.
Speaker 2: You're associated with Marjorie Taylor Green, I'm like, okay, I'm out.
Speaker 3: It's unserious.
Speaker 2: But Tucker has unveiled a tent point manifesto, and it's
Speaker 2: this conversation of whether or not he's actually thinking of
Speaker 2: a third party run.
Speaker 3: I have and you've heard me.
Speaker 2: Discuss this if you've been with the show for any
Speaker 2: length of time, I am fine with third parties. I'm
Speaker 2: very okay with third parties. You want to create a
Speaker 2: third party, go ahead. You want to run in a
Speaker 2: third party, you go right ahead. You have the right
Speaker 2: to do what you will. You're an American citizen. And
Speaker 2: if you think that there is a need for a
Speaker 2: new party, that isn't quite sharing what it is that
Speaker 2: you want. Right the parties aren't sharing what you want,
Speaker 2: so you want to create something new, no one should
Speaker 2: be able to stop you. That's nutty. I don't even
Speaker 2: believe in the idea of throwing away your vote. It
Speaker 2: is yours. I think there are sometimes bad votes. I
Speaker 2: think sometimes people are voting like morons, But it's your vote.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, But out comes this ten point manifesto, so
Speaker 2: it makes people wonder whether or not he's going to
Speaker 2: be creating his own political party. And I'm going through
Speaker 2: what his ten points are. Now, this is how Axios
Speaker 2: put it together. Right, his ten point plan one is fair.
Speaker 2: The same rules should apply to presidents, federal agents, and
Speaker 2: elites such as Jeffrey Epstein, whose.
Speaker 3: Impunity Wait, I know, I don't know that's right. Fair,
Speaker 3: that's what he said. Fair, I've got this right.
Speaker 2: Well, I would not disagree with this, and I think
Speaker 2: this is important for us to go through it because
Speaker 2: what we will find is that I don't think on
Speaker 2: the baseline stuff, Tucker and I.
Speaker 3: Would disagree on the idea of fairness.
Speaker 2: And of the idea of the United States being what
Speaker 2: he might describe.
Speaker 3: As as sovereign.
Speaker 2: Right, we are in charge of us, We side us
Speaker 2: and our future. Where we would wholeheartedly disagree, aggressively disagree
Speaker 2: is to the place where he thinks that the United
Speaker 2: States is pushed into action.
Speaker 3: By Israel, for example, Iran.
Speaker 2: If anything has shown us that that's not true, it
Speaker 2: is the last four months.
Speaker 3: It is silly talk.
Speaker 2: It's as silly as having Darryl Cooper on your show
Speaker 2: and thinking you're getting a history lesson it is false
Speaker 2: and there a divide cannot be overcome. Well, we may
Speaker 2: agree that the last thing in the world we should
Speaker 2: want on any stretch is the United States being subservient
Speaker 2: to another nation.
Speaker 3: And not only will I.
Speaker 2: Agree to that, I will say it time and again
Speaker 2: and again and again. The idea that the United States
Speaker 2: is controlled by Israel is the kind of thing that
Speaker 2: is said by Ilhan O Mar and Rashida Talib and
Speaker 2: those Jew hating bigots are not people we should emulate.
Speaker 3: He then goes into the next which is productive.
Speaker 2: America should rebuild farming and manufacturing and craftsmanship while rejecting
Speaker 2: an economy dominated by finance, real estate speculations, surveillance systems,
Speaker 2: and weapons. Now, now we're getting into a very unique
Speaker 2: divide because I have supported the bringing back and manufacturing
Speaker 2: for as long as I've been political, and I can
Speaker 2: remember being at events like south By Southwest. I was
Speaker 2: doing some tech work at the time and being around
Speaker 2: these tech people and I would talk about the need
Speaker 2: for manufacturing. I'd get laughed at. Nobody needs to build
Speaker 2: chairs in the United States.
Speaker 3: Well, they were wrong. Of course, we need to build
Speaker 3: chairs in the United States.
Speaker 2: You need jobs for all people, and you need to
Speaker 2: be able to have a manufacturing base to be able
Speaker 2: to handle your business when the world decides it's not
Speaker 2: interested in your business.
Speaker 3: But there's also nothing wrong with finance.
Speaker 2: Now this gets into a place where I believe he
Speaker 2: starts referring to loans and interest as usury.
Speaker 3: Well it's not.
Speaker 2: It's how capital gets dispersed and how growth takes place.
Speaker 2: And to call interest rates usury is to buy into
Speaker 2: an Islamist mindset.
Speaker 3: No, thank you.
Speaker 2: He can be right on something and wrong on something
Speaker 2: else that I'm willing to discuss it. As such, he
Speaker 2: talks about beauty that urban planners have uglified American cities
Speaker 2: portrayed in brutalist architecture, and a whole bunch of other things. Well,
Speaker 2: I've talked about this for forever. Art matters, cleaning up
Speaker 2: the statues in DC, matters, ending the blights, changes the mind.
Speaker 2: And yes, for years, the so called artists have been
Speaker 2: pushing nihilism nothingness as opposed to grandeur and greatness and
Speaker 2: things that thought provoke. Instead, it has turned into silly,
Speaker 2: childlike art projects. People peeing on a crucifix or taping
Speaker 2: up banana to a wall and saying twelve million dollars please.
Speaker 3: So this is just some of it. It's funny Tucker
Speaker 3: here has not said anything that is.
Speaker 2: While he just then tries to couch it in something
Speaker 2: that is wild. I mean that's you go through this
Speaker 2: and you'd be like, yes, this, but know that it's
Speaker 2: that that's the problem. It's the that that doesn't even
Speaker 2: make the free society. And if Tucker now wants to
Speaker 2: start a conversation about these ideas great, is he prepared
Speaker 2: to defend them. Is he prepared to recognize when he
Speaker 2: is wrong? Because I am more than prepared to show
Speaker 2: him that he is wrong. To discuss these things out
Speaker 2: that the things he says that are detrimental for American
Speaker 2: society are not that it is not an all or
Speaker 2: nothing proposition in the majority of cases, but rather in
Speaker 2: the very few cases. And where in he is ten points,
Speaker 2: does he engage the idea that America is not land,
Speaker 2: it is the ideal, and that Jade Vance is wrong. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm sure we're all gonna be talking about this in
Speaker 2: the weeks I had. I'm looking forward to it. I'm
Speaker 2: Tony Katz, And this is Tony Katz today