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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Frame Second Podcast. My
Speaker 1: name is Mike. I'm your host for the evening. Next
Speaker 1: to me, I have Rod What what man?
Speaker 3: Next to me?
Speaker 1: I have Spike, Next Spike, I have Ken all right,
Speaker 1: and we are talking about the newest movie from ariast
Speaker 1: Ariast of Hereditary Midsomar and uh BoA's Afraid Fame. And
Speaker 1: there's something strange about the Johnson's of course too. This
Speaker 1: one stars Joaquin Phoenix, Pedro, Pascal, Emma Stone and yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get a get a round table going.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you, Rod and stretching my left.
Speaker 1: What did you think about this one?
Speaker 3: I thought it was cool man. Oh, okay, it was late.
Speaker 4: I had to go to a late show, so I
Speaker 4: was a little out of it when I saw it,
Speaker 4: and I wanted to see it a second time because
Speaker 4: I dozed off in a couple of millions, but not
Speaker 4: dozing off because I thought.
Speaker 1: It was born.
Speaker 4: It was just just it's a long movie and it
Speaker 4: was like eleven thirty when I had to go see it.
Speaker 1: But but nah, nah, I think I thought it was uh.
Speaker 4: I thought it was an interesting, interesting story from Ariaster
Speaker 4: so oh from ARIASTERA. And the performances were great. U
Speaker 4: there was some like some some old shit moments and yeah, man, overall,
Speaker 4: I want to go back and see it. I want
Speaker 4: to go back and watch it because I didn't, you know,
Speaker 4: like I said, I felt tired, but it definitely felt
Speaker 4: I wanted to definitely go back and watch it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I thought I thought it was decent. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a decent film, Spike, what what do
Speaker 1: you think usually this pacing, this style a type movie
Speaker 1: like I'm really drawn too, And this one it was
Speaker 1: good till it wasn't like till it got to a
Speaker 1: point where it was like what's happening and why is
Speaker 1: it happening?
Speaker 5: But the performances were good. It wasn't a complete like
Speaker 5: waste of time or anything like that, but I wasn't
Speaker 5: fulfilled at the end.
Speaker 1: Again, what did you think about this one?
Speaker 2: I loved it?
Speaker 6: Actually, you know, I didn't you know when when I
Speaker 6: read the description on AMC, I was like, but when
Speaker 6: it got going, after the setup, you got into it
Speaker 6: and you kind of see.
Speaker 2: What it appeared to me what they were going for.
Speaker 6: I was like, Oh, this is really interesting where he's going.
Speaker 6: And then when he got to the conclusion, I was like, damn.
Speaker 6: And it really left me with a lot to think about,
Speaker 6: Like it was just kind of sitting on me just
Speaker 6: to think about the roles of each parts of the movie.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I was I loved it.
Speaker 4: It was a good capture At the time, like, I
Speaker 4: thought that was really cool, like he was able to
Speaker 4: capture so many different things. That was happening just in
Speaker 4: this one town that could be applied in other towns
Speaker 4: or cities or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was that was That was really good,
Speaker 1: good directing. All right, Well, I did not expect it
Speaker 1: to go this way. I didn't like this movie at all.
Speaker 1: I thought it was terrible. I don't understand what the
Speaker 1: point of this was. Ari Astro typically has something to
Speaker 1: say with his films. I don't know what point he
Speaker 1: was trying to make with this. It seemed very campy.
Speaker 1: It seemed very hokey. I don't even understand why in
Speaker 1: the fuck you bothered to get Emma Stone, who was
Speaker 1: an incredible actor, to be in this movie, because she
Speaker 1: was only in it for a total of like thirteen
Speaker 1: and a half minutes. The movie was boring as fuck.
Speaker 1: I see why he fell asleep for the majority of
Speaker 1: this film. I was seriously like, why why are we
Speaker 1: doing this? I've seen pandemic movies nine point five times
Speaker 1: out of ten, they're terrible. This was not much of
Speaker 1: an exception. I did not like this movie at all.
Speaker 1: It seemed very obvious where it was leading to. I am,
Speaker 1: I am, I'm not even like mad that I spent
Speaker 1: money on this shit or nothing. I'm more so just
Speaker 1: like damn bro, whenever he puts a film out, I'm
Speaker 1: so looking forward to it, and we get this a
Speaker 1: pandemic Western for fucking what, dude, it had Yeah, a
Speaker 1: satirical yes, thank you, a satirical modern Western in COVID
Speaker 1: and then you're throwing in blm shit. It was just like,
Speaker 1: what in the fuck are we doing? For two hours
Speaker 1: and forty motherfucking minutes, what are we doing? That's how
Speaker 1: long it was.
Speaker 2: It was. Yeah, it was a long as a movie.
Speaker 1: Right, maybe two hours and thirty. It was definitely well
Speaker 1: over two hours. Yeah, it was over two hours, and
Speaker 1: it did not need to be. This bitch could have
Speaker 1: been an hour and fifteen and I'd have been like, cool,
Speaker 1: you hit the mark. But no, I did not like
Speaker 1: this film at all. I'm glad y'all did, though. I'm
Speaker 1: happy to be on an island by myself, So let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and get into the shit. It opens in
Speaker 1: late twenty twenty in a town called Eddington, Texas. See
Speaker 1: a homeless man walking down the street ranting to himself.
Speaker 1: But right after that we meet Joe Cross who's played
Speaker 1: by Joaquin Phoenix, and he is a local sheriff who
Speaker 1: seems to have a problem with mask mandate Spike, what
Speaker 1: was your first impression of Joe Cross? Uh Man, Mike
Speaker 1: would hate this guy. It was the first thing for Jesus.
Speaker 1: He reminds me that guy you worked with. I did
Speaker 1: that ran through my head as well. Uh.
Speaker 5: I mean I seen immediately what they were trying to
Speaker 5: do when they were showing who Joe was, So I
Speaker 5: was it led my mind to wonder, Okay, what's Pascal's
Speaker 5: role going to be as the kind of antagonist to
Speaker 5: this and how are they going to play off of
Speaker 5: each other? Because he was very clear on what side
Speaker 5: he stood on and what he was about to represent
Speaker 5: throughout the whole movie.
Speaker 1: So okay, Ken, same thing.
Speaker 2: Now. It took him. It took a while for.
Speaker 6: Me to kind of get into what Joe was in
Speaker 6: this presentation. I think that you know, it just just
Speaker 6: really you're in this town in New Mexico. You know
Speaker 6: these people run up, so you gotta wear a mask.
Speaker 6: I thought it was just stupid, but then it was
Speaker 6: to say, we put your mask on, and put the
Speaker 6: mask on and they pull off, and like all he
Speaker 6: has to do is take it right back.
Speaker 3: Off, he in the car too, and no one else
Speaker 3: is in the car.
Speaker 4: People were doing that though. That's what I liked about
Speaker 4: That's what I liked about it. Initially. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is a real glimpse of how shit was, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Like people was putting the mask
Speaker 4: underneath their noses. He's like, you don't even got your
Speaker 4: masks always fucking on.
Speaker 3: So like, like I did.
Speaker 4: I liked the realness of it, like that he that
Speaker 4: he was immediately capturing a time in this in this
Speaker 4: little town.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, it yeah, that was that.
Speaker 4: I know you didn't ask me yet, but that was
Speaker 4: my my initial take from the opening with with Joaquin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, from the opening, my initial thing was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's married to Emma Stone, Like all right, yeah, you
Speaker 1: gonna have to make that make sense. Then it was
Speaker 1: just like, is this supposed to be funny.
Speaker 3: It's listened as a comedy. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And Bo was afraid kind of was too, and I
Speaker 1: did not like Bo's afraid on the first watch. I
Speaker 1: had to watch it again and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I see what he's doing.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: I don't think I need to watch this again. I'm
Speaker 1: not watching this again.
Speaker 4: I feel like I do because it's already as stid.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get him that grace because like I was
Speaker 4: the same way with bulls Afraid. I think we both
Speaker 4: was on the same page with that. Like when I
Speaker 4: watched it again, I was like, oh, yeah, I really
Speaker 4: like this.
Speaker 1: But I didn't fall asleep. I didn't fall asleep. I
Speaker 1: don't think I missed anything. I just think this movie
Speaker 1: was fucking boring and vapid. I think that if you
Speaker 1: fell asleep during a moment, even if it was for
Speaker 1: ten fifteen minutes, I can see why you want to
Speaker 1: go back and be like, well, what did I miss?
Speaker 1: Just in case that thing that I missed right changed everything.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can't imagine you falling asleep for
Speaker 1: enough time to make this movie and a masterpiece. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would understand why you feel like you
Speaker 1: need to go see it again.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to see it.
Speaker 4: I wasn't I didn't feel like I was lost, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I just wanted to see it in this entirety.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It wasn't it because like, oh man, I feel like
Speaker 4: I missed something It's just like, I don't know, I
Speaker 4: just wanted to see how it feels if I watch
Speaker 4: it all the way through, because it was like a
Speaker 4: ten minute sleep. It was just like a real doles
Speaker 4: and I wake up. Ho shit, And I fell asleep
Speaker 4: the same thing with me.
Speaker 5: And now that you mentioned it, they were doing a
Speaker 5: little right before the smack, I fell asleep a little
Speaker 5: bit in that little montague that he was running.
Speaker 1: When you forgotten you fell asleep till just down, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did. I did because I was thinking.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh yeah, right before he smacked him,
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, one of those, and then
Speaker 5: I was yeah.
Speaker 3: That's nothing bro like.
Speaker 1: So when Joe's called through a disturbance at the bar,
Speaker 1: we meet Ted Garcia played by Pedro pascal Ken.
Speaker 3: Did you have any first impressions.
Speaker 1: Meeting him or about like what went down at the
Speaker 1: bar with the homeless man and all that not.
Speaker 2: Initially it didn't.
Speaker 6: It didn't really kind of connect for me until later,
Speaker 6: you know, cause uh, but nah, it was just an
Speaker 6: introduction to Pedro, him coming in and wrestling, you know,
Speaker 6: with the guy. It really was more about the mask
Speaker 6: and just his reluctance to wear the mask and how
Speaker 6: when he came in and everybody just kind of ran
Speaker 6: away from him. It was like, oh my god, you
Speaker 6: know he don't have a mask on and stuff like that,
Speaker 6: and you know, of course their reaction to the homeless
Speaker 6: guy or whatnot. But now I think it was a
Speaker 6: nice little subtle introduction to Pedro and him convincing that
Speaker 6: town to try to get on board with this vision
Speaker 6: of the future.
Speaker 3: What about your Spike.
Speaker 5: I was similar to Rod in this moment when he's
Speaker 5: talking about like, oh oh, I remember these conversations that
Speaker 5: were being had. I remember like people being on both
Speaker 5: sides of this and really making it a big deal,
Speaker 5: not knowing like what's right and what's wrong as far
Speaker 5: as the correct etiquette that you're supposed to have, but
Speaker 5: wearing them.
Speaker 3: So he did, Like it was kind of nostalgic to
Speaker 3: that time. You heard that.
Speaker 4: Roding, What was the actual question Joe's called through a
Speaker 4: disturbance to the bar we meet ted Garcia and what
Speaker 4: were your first impressions meeting him or watching what went
Speaker 4: down at the bar? Yeah, so yeah, he was just
Speaker 4: on the opposite end of Joaquim's characters. So I knew
Speaker 4: that was gonna be the clash or whatever, And I
Speaker 4: thought that was the representation of, like I said, of
Speaker 4: those times, like you got this one character that's gonna
Speaker 4: embody that that subset of people ain't gonna have this
Speaker 4: character embody in this subset. So yeah, I was just
Speaker 4: it made me anticipate the class that was to come
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 3: I was trying to understand.
Speaker 4: The the homeless guy, whatever he was. I was trying
Speaker 4: to understand his plot line. And I know he probably
Speaker 4: was bringing COVID to the city. I guess what did
Speaker 4: he come?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But where did he come from?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 3: It was my whole thing? I guess like that that
Speaker 3: was my whole thing.
Speaker 2: He represents the virus that infected this whole town.
Speaker 3: He basically says it later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not physically and just metaphor.
Speaker 3: So, but yeah, I just my whole thing was like
Speaker 3: where did you come from?
Speaker 2: As soon as as soon as it got showed up,
Speaker 2: remember it's open the shot with him in the mouth.
Speaker 2: As soon as he came in everything went to hell
Speaker 2: as soon as he got into town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote it down. He was saying some weird
Speaker 1: ship at the beginning, but I can't find it. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm on the inside and I'll spit you out.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: I was trying to write down as many things that
Speaker 1: he was saying with his ranting, But yeah, I definitely
Speaker 1: think he was supposed to represent the virus itself. Uh
Speaker 1: So Joe comes home, We meet his wife Louise played
Speaker 1: by Emma Stone.
Speaker 3: We also meet Luis's.
Speaker 1: Mom, Dawn. Remember her.
Speaker 3: From peng.
Speaker 1: Was recognized the voice the voice that recognize Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: since you're already talking, what do you think about them?
Speaker 3: I thought she was dope.
Speaker 4: I mean, like obviously in Penguin she shined a lot more.
Speaker 3: But because I.
Speaker 1: Immediately identify knew who she was, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this this is good. This is good casting.
Speaker 4: And again the person she represents, like the person ever
Speaker 4: was doing all the conspiracy shit, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like like, I'm like, damn, they really like embodying, like
Speaker 4: this moment with these different characters and we only like
Speaker 4: three four characters in and I'm like, damn, this is
Speaker 4: this was the pandemic. These were the people in the pandemic,
Speaker 4: and you don't need that many people to tell this story.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was really dope that he's doing
Speaker 1: a lot with a little It's so funny because all
Speaker 1: the things you keep talking about is exactly why I
Speaker 1: didn't like this.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 1: It was just like, bro, this is so basic. This
Speaker 1: is a basic ass fucking story. I feel like anybody
Speaker 1: could have made this. I want something when Ariastra makes
Speaker 1: a film, I want something to chew on, like anyone
Speaker 1: Stephen King fucking I can't think of anybody like like,
Speaker 1: you know, but just about any fucking average ass director.
Speaker 1: I'm might be exactly a tiny bit, but you know,
Speaker 1: this didn't feel like a thought provoking, genre bending, crazy
Speaker 1: Ariastra film.
Speaker 3: It was just like, all right, you got.
Speaker 1: Fucking COVID people in this, Like I've already met these people.
Speaker 3: This isn't interesting to me.
Speaker 4: And I think I might have a slightly different perspective
Speaker 4: than you because I haven't been watching COVID movies like
Speaker 4: oh shows or whatever that.
Speaker 3: I don't either.
Speaker 1: I've seen a few, but then they're always bad. So
Speaker 1: when a COVID movie pops up, I'm like, I'm good
Speaker 1: unless it's a flat out horror movie. If it's like
Speaker 1: one of them shits where it's like, oh, we're you know,
Speaker 1: this is like a post apocalyptic film about a virus
Speaker 1: that breaks out and everybody gets it and they turn
Speaker 1: into zombies, and I'll watch that. But if it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're taking a snapshot of twenty twenty, fuck off, Like
Speaker 1: I saw the poster was like Hindsighter's twenty twenty, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, even that's corny. It's like, dude, what are
Speaker 1: we doing? But it's just me again once again. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you guys like that. Uh, Spike, what did you
Speaker 1: think of Luis and Don?
Speaker 3: I didn't like it. I want to get clarified. I'm
Speaker 3: closer to you than.
Speaker 5: Closer to you than because I felt similar to what
Speaker 5: you were saying, like the mother, like the character was good.
Speaker 5: I liked the mother and again bringing back nostalgia, like
Speaker 5: I remember that person doing COVID, like she printed out
Speaker 5: the fucking packet for her to read, like the person
Speaker 5: calling you, like bro, relax. But I kept waiting it
Speaker 5: to mean more and I maybe I missed some of
Speaker 5: the meaning or whatever it may be, but it never.
Speaker 3: Really hit that spot for me. Even with the mom.
Speaker 5: It didn't pay It didn't pay off like that weird
Speaker 5: scene it had later.
Speaker 1: But yes, and I guess for me, I realized that
Speaker 1: it was very surface level.
Speaker 4: Early early on, I was like, Okay, I don't know
Speaker 4: if this is the typical Ariastor type film, because the
Speaker 4: way he started laying everything out, unless it was going
Speaker 4: to be some sort of supernatural thing that was going
Speaker 4: to come.
Speaker 1: Waiting on, He's not, you usually surface level. His movies
Speaker 1: are usually very deep in details. So ken anything to
Speaker 1: say about Louis and don No, I don't.
Speaker 6: Really have anything to add, you know, I think that
Speaker 6: they represent what they were clearly meant to represent, so we.
Speaker 3: Would have done.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 3: Louise, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: I think she got I think hers came a little
Speaker 6: bit later, like her mom was really trying to interject
Speaker 6: a lot of these ideas into her head, that her
Speaker 6: beliefs and stuff like that, and you know, it clearly
Speaker 6: shows she was like traumatized by something, you know that happened.
Speaker 6: We just didn't know at the time what it was,
Speaker 6: but you know, even she was starting to believe and
Speaker 6: get infected with her own sort of alternative beliefs about
Speaker 6: what was going on in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a part where they were making out
Speaker 1: in the bed and they stopped and she said I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: and then they kind of like just completely stopped.
Speaker 3: I missed something.
Speaker 1: She still I will yet she was trying to get
Speaker 1: over something. Okay, they had prevented them from being intimate,
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 3: Okay, alrighty the grocery store.
Speaker 1: So they go to the grocery store and there's people
Speaker 1: not being let in because they don't have a mask on,
Speaker 1: and Joe gets out and there's this whole hubbub inside
Speaker 1: the grocery store. Ken, what'd you think about this part?
Speaker 6: You know, at this point of the movie, we're pretty
Speaker 6: much getting a snapshot of everything, So it was how
Speaker 6: enforceable is anything and who has the real power?
Speaker 2: And what Joe was trying to.
Speaker 6: Do was to have them take more of a an
Speaker 6: empathetic view point from what this guy was saying is
Speaker 6: that he can't breathe wearing a mask impacts him, and
Speaker 6: to be a little bit more humane. I also think
Speaker 6: Joe was just resistance to all of it, just period.
Speaker 6: He just didn't want to just comply with the government,
Speaker 6: so he was sort of anti government, whereas everybody else
Speaker 6: was just going along with it. But we saw the
Speaker 6: small amount of influence that Joe had because when he
Speaker 6: came out there is that because one of the persons
Speaker 6: in line took their mask off because Joe wasn't doing
Speaker 6: it and what Joe said, But I think there could
Speaker 6: have been a better solution, And the solution we saw
Speaker 6: was when.
Speaker 2: Joe actually bought the grocery form.
Speaker 6: So maybe somebody could have wrote down the list and
Speaker 6: had somebody going there and buy the groceries bringing out.
Speaker 6: But again, I think it was just setting up the
Speaker 6: tension of what was gonna end up happening between Joe
Speaker 6: and Pedro's character whoed ted later on, and to kind
Speaker 6: of spawn like the idea for him to eventually run
Speaker 6: for mayor Spike.
Speaker 1: Did you get empathy from what Joe was doing.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say I was necessarily empathetic. I got it, though,
Speaker 5: and I understood why he was taking such a stance
Speaker 5: because he said logical versus emotional debate in the sense
Speaker 5: of like he was making sense. Not to say that
Speaker 5: I agreed with him, but he's talking about the mandates
Speaker 5: and it not being a law because the things they
Speaker 5: had to do to make it law, and y'all are
Speaker 5: just overreacting to stuff that you're seeing on the news.
Speaker 5: And then him go ahead and buying the stuff for
Speaker 5: the guy coming up with a solution versus just pushing
Speaker 5: back on them because they had this stance. That was
Speaker 5: what I liked the most about it, just him going
Speaker 5: ahead and getting the groceries.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Mean again, it was continuing to go down and road
Speaker 5: while I was wondering, like I said before, Okay, what
Speaker 5: point is it going to get to with this. We
Speaker 5: get he's on one side of it, this mayor.
Speaker 3: Guy's on the other side of it. What's the movie about?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, guys like him kind of made things wrong,
Speaker 6: like they kind of they didn't help the situations, you know,
Speaker 6: because of their beliefs.
Speaker 2: And you know.
Speaker 6: We saw that later on, like he was like, COVID
Speaker 6: is not even in this in that like what are
Speaker 6: you all talking about?
Speaker 3: Like then he ended.
Speaker 1: Up with it, so that makes sense anything. I was
Speaker 1: just no, no, no, no, no, it's fine.
Speaker 4: That's I was just going to bring it up too.
Speaker 4: He was just like, it's not even here, So why
Speaker 4: what are we doing?
Speaker 2: For real?
Speaker 4: Is this is this like a political move, like what
Speaker 4: what are we doing? He then and then teed Garcia
Speaker 4: was just and then he went down the hole because
Speaker 4: I've heard that conversation. We talked about it in the
Speaker 4: podcast about dispercentage effects dispercentage and then that and then
Speaker 4: that lessons the percentage or whatever. So I thought it
Speaker 4: was just interesting him just recalling all of these things.
Speaker 4: So in a weird way, it was like, even though
Speaker 4: it wasn't that long ago, it was nostalgic. Whatever's like
Speaker 4: of a time because a lot of people just like
Speaker 4: kind of kind of forget the ship, like they like
Speaker 4: forget that. We really didn't think we were going to
Speaker 4: be like how we in here right now? We thought
Speaker 4: that shit was over with man, So I thought it.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting or interesting to kind of look
Speaker 1: back at it, like, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's right, goddamn.
Speaker 6: And it's like with his viewpoint, where where did his
Speaker 6: viewpoint come from? Because he's not all the way with
Speaker 6: Dawn and I guess Louise and the conspiracy part, is
Speaker 6: he taking more of a pragmatic view of like we're
Speaker 6: a small town. There's been no evidence of COVID bit
Speaker 6: in this town. Why the hell are we wearing masks?
Speaker 6: It makes no sense, you know? So, and was that
Speaker 6: his stance versus them being more preventative like, we're gonna
Speaker 6: wear a mask because we don't know what's going.
Speaker 2: To happen, so it's best the urge on the side
Speaker 2: of caution.
Speaker 4: And then he had asthma, so, you know, and not
Speaker 4: wearing a mask, right right right, I was just saying, well,
Speaker 4: the asthma, he said, he that's one of the reasons
Speaker 4: why you don't because he can't fucking breathe or whatever.
Speaker 4: So so so it made it difficult. But since you're laughing,
Speaker 4: I don't know why you're laughing, But for me, like
Speaker 4: it's like you're not thinking about those people in there,
Speaker 4: and there every day struggles of not being able to
Speaker 4: just breathe normally every day. So we're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: wear a mask, wear a mask, wear a mask. But
Speaker 4: some people they really struggled. They've really struggled with it.
Speaker 1: And when you ask about empathy, I guess you do
Speaker 1: got of empathize with that.
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have that struggle. No, it's not.
Speaker 2: I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was asking do you think Joe was being empathetic
Speaker 1: when he went and said, you know, let that man
Speaker 1: in without wearing a mask. I don't think he was
Speaker 1: being empathetic. I think Joe represented the typical boneheaded redneck
Speaker 1: that thinks you can't breathe with a mask on, which
Speaker 1: is simply untrue. You can breathe with a mask on,
Speaker 1: especially if you're only going in a store for ten minutes,
Speaker 1: because that was a whole thing during twenty twenty. You
Speaker 1: had these fucking rednecks that were just like, I'm not
Speaker 1: putting that on because I can't breathe. I got a
Speaker 1: medical condition, And it was nonsense. Like just looking at
Speaker 1: it on a basic surface level, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: They're really trying to make you believe that me putting
Speaker 1: this mask on for ten.
Speaker 3: Minutes, I'm gonna die.
Speaker 1: It's nonsense. It's nonsense. So I never got anything as
Speaker 1: far as empathy out of Joe.
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 1: Joe doesn't think COVID's real, because he says that in
Speaker 1: the video that he posts, which was the next point.
Speaker 1: He doesn't think COVID's real. He thinks all of this
Speaker 1: is bullshit and it's all just like to strike back
Speaker 1: at TED and the government for making them have a
Speaker 1: mask mandate. But so, nah, I disagree with y'all when
Speaker 1: it comes to Joe. So why wasn't he all the
Speaker 1: way on the side of conspiracy. There's what do you mean.
Speaker 4: Because he was somewhere in the like he didn't It's
Speaker 4: like he didn't agree with them and the whole conspiracies,
Speaker 4: and he also didn't agree with the whole COVID nineteen thing.
Speaker 4: He was just somewhere in the middle, like, look, man,
Speaker 4: it ain't here, goddamn it, Like I don't want to
Speaker 4: wear a mask.
Speaker 1: I disagree one hundred percent. I don't think he was
Speaker 1: acting like that just because it wasn't there. He literally
Speaker 1: said the virus was fake. He literally said that. He
Speaker 1: tells Ted that he thinks it's fake, and then he
Speaker 1: makes a video he's like, why are we wearing a
Speaker 1: mask to protect ourselves from a virus that's not here?
Speaker 1: Right after he tells Ted that he thinks the entire
Speaker 1: thing is fake, So it's not because it's just not
Speaker 1: in Eddington. He doesn't believe in it. Now the mom
Speaker 1: is on a completely different level of conspiracy because there's
Speaker 1: plenty of dumb ass rednecks that were like, oh, COVID's fake,
Speaker 1: I don't know what y'all talk about, just the cold,
Speaker 1: and then there's motherfuckers that were like, oh, like Alex
Speaker 1: Jones were like, oh, it was made in a lab
Speaker 1: and they released it on purpose because they want to
Speaker 1: start a new world order. So there's level there's levels
Speaker 1: of stupid. There's levels of stupid. Joe was only at
Speaker 1: a certain one.
Speaker 4: I got you, and I thought it was interesting to
Speaker 4: see the story clap like by kicking them out, because
Speaker 4: I've seen that too.
Speaker 3: I have to COVID home.
Speaker 1: So I was like, man, he's really capturing all of
Speaker 1: these moments. I think I may have gave a fuck
Speaker 1: about this more. If this movie was like from like
Speaker 1: ten years from now, I think it was something that
Speaker 1: just happened five years ago. It's it's like, bro, really
Speaker 1: like we just lived through this. I don't need you
Speaker 1: to capture a time. My brain works pretty okay, I
Speaker 1: remember all this. Yours does, mine typically does. But it
Speaker 1: was it was interesting, like I do. I have noticed
Speaker 1: people just it really like it, like it didn't even
Speaker 1: fucking happen.
Speaker 6: I reflect back up with White, we reflect back on it,
Speaker 6: you know. Ever, so them like, damn you walking around
Speaker 6: wearing a mask.
Speaker 2: She's like once in a while, we're just like damn this.
Speaker 1: Sally was really ever reflect on that because like you
Speaker 1: don't ever think about it, nah, because I still do it.
Speaker 1: Like my mom has lung issues, so I still put
Speaker 1: mask on when I'm around here. So it's not even
Speaker 1: like a like, oh, remember remember a time. See that's
Speaker 1: your personal experience, but that's not the world's experience right now.
Speaker 1: I don't see how you forget something that happened five
Speaker 1: years ago that was a major thing. If you do,
Speaker 1: then you're doing it on purpose.
Speaker 3: It's most people trying to forget.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You're doing it on purpose, you're
Speaker 1: trying to forget it. So him making this movie so soon,
Speaker 1: it's just like for what, Like, I don't need you
Speaker 1: to remind me of some shit that just happened, like
Speaker 1: unless you're making a grand point, which we never in
Speaker 1: my opinion, never got there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Typically, I typically don't like that.
Speaker 4: When they were trying to make all the nine eleven
Speaker 4: movies after nine to eleven, yeah, so I didn't watch
Speaker 4: any of those, but yeah, this one, I don't know
Speaker 4: it just I didn't know just what.
Speaker 3: I didn't knowice what this movie was.
Speaker 2: Going to be.
Speaker 1: I thought they were misleading me when they were when
Speaker 1: they kept marketing it like it was a Western about COVID.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm like, no, it's Alreaster.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a demon named COVID that comes to
Speaker 1: the earth and possesses people or some shit. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be about COVID. But when they literally start talking
Speaker 1: about COVID, I was like, dude, are we serious? We
Speaker 1: got another fucking two hours of y'all fucking talking about COVID.
Speaker 1: But anyways, he makes this video, like I said, but
Speaker 1: the main takeaway from the video is we find out
Speaker 1: that he's running from mayor against Ted Garcia. So Ted
Speaker 1: comes down there and confronts him about running.
Speaker 3: What did you think of that part?
Speaker 2: Rod?
Speaker 4: I thought that was interesting because now the whole COVID
Speaker 4: thing is thrown out because you was fucking way less
Speaker 4: than six feet.
Speaker 1: Away from his ass. So I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 4: So it kind of lend lended to Joe's point of like, Okay,
Speaker 4: is this just a political thing that you're doing or
Speaker 4: is this actual a threat fear that you have?
Speaker 3: Right, right, right?
Speaker 6: But they flipped rolls to a certain degride. O. Remember,
Speaker 6: so when he kept getting closer, Joe was like six
Speaker 6: feet he was being smart, You're not you thought.
Speaker 2: He was being smart.
Speaker 3: He was being smart ass.
Speaker 1: I thought he was seriously he was teasing him because
Speaker 1: he was like, come on, six feet I don't think
Speaker 1: he was really like, hey man, you might have COVID
Speaker 1: stay six feet away, because five minutes ago he just
Speaker 1: said it was fake.
Speaker 6: I know, I know, but I thought he was also
Speaker 6: misleading the public in a very similar way. Oh I
Speaker 6: see that, Ted was because my thing with Joe running
Speaker 6: for mayor is that he got caught up when people
Speaker 6: were clapping. He was like, oh, ship these people actually
Speaker 6: really I feel yeah, you know, so his you know
Speaker 6: his thing. Well, no, they were plowing Ted, I think,
Speaker 6: but hewing the guy that kicked him out.
Speaker 2: Kicked yeah, behind my back.
Speaker 3: He got caught behind the text message.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was Facebook posts. Yeah, that was it. Facebook posts. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So he was like, oh, there's a demand or for
Speaker 6: people that should speak up for like the people. There
Speaker 6: needs to be representation for that demography.
Speaker 2: So he go up.
Speaker 6: It was fucking I'm gonna run from there because there
Speaker 6: must be other people like that that feel the same way.
Speaker 1: I never thought that, So that's a good one. I
Speaker 1: never thought that he was faking it to gain popularity.
Speaker 1: I thought he was just a dumb ass, fucking you know,
Speaker 1: because he talked, I don't know if y'all caught it.
Speaker 1: Did you catch the fentanyl part in the conversation?
Speaker 3: You don't all know.
Speaker 1: So he's talking about how one of his deputies died
Speaker 1: from handling fentanyl without So if you remember, that was
Speaker 1: another fucking alt right conspiracy that fentanyl was just everywhere.
Speaker 1: And then there were these videos circulating around, which y'all
Speaker 1: probably weren't paying attention to. This kind of shit is
Speaker 1: why would you, But there were these videos floating around
Speaker 1: of cops fucking pretending that they were dying of fentanyl
Speaker 1: because they were like, we just touched a baggie and
Speaker 1: inside the baggie was fentanyl. So there was a little
Speaker 1: bit of fentanyl dust and the cops on the ground
Speaker 1: doing this shit. So this was another one of these
Speaker 1: weird alt right conspiracies that Joe was repeating. One of
Speaker 1: my deputies died from handling fenton all without gloves. That
Speaker 1: doesn't that didn't happen, So.
Speaker 6: It more than likely it didn't happen to Joe. But
Speaker 6: Joe was getting criticized for not keeping uh cops on
Speaker 6: the forest too no, Ted made him get rid of.
Speaker 1: Certain costs because they were abusing their power, and Joe
Speaker 1: didn't like that either, because he feels like that should
Speaker 1: be my choice. I think a lot of Joe's issue
Speaker 1: is he wants control, and when control is taken away
Speaker 1: from him, he gets mad. So that's that's how I
Speaker 1: took that part. So, Spike, what'd you think of the
Speaker 1: conversation Joe was having with his son Eric. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember this, but there's there back at
Speaker 1: their house. We start to see the facade of Ted
Speaker 1: Krack when he's talking to his son. Do you remember
Speaker 1: his son was trying to.
Speaker 5: Leave and he was like, he asked about his wife
Speaker 5: and he didn't care about her because she left, even
Speaker 5: though like going to be around other people, and you
Speaker 5: see him turn the politician off and going to dad
Speaker 5: like asshole mode. It does show the crack in the character,
Speaker 5: as you were saying, and make you kind of look
Speaker 5: at him like he's full of shit. So they did
Speaker 5: a good job of portraying it.
Speaker 1: Over Rod, did you did you catch any anything as
Speaker 1: far as why?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Ted, I said Joe is having a conversation with I
Speaker 1: met Ted. I meant Ted did you catch anything as
Speaker 1: far as why Ted won't let his son Eric go
Speaker 1: out in the streets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's it's a bad representation on him.
Speaker 3: It was a California thing that happened, right, That happened
Speaker 3: with Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2: I believe No.
Speaker 1: So they the town is on lockdown and Eric wanted
Speaker 1: to go out, but Ted thought it would be a
Speaker 1: bad look on him.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm saying that happened in real life because
Speaker 5: they were the first ones, I think, the implement the
Speaker 5: set downs, and then he was at the party with
Speaker 5: the people like right after he announced it was what Yeah.
Speaker 1: I believe you one hundred percent. Maybe I just don't
Speaker 1: remember that happening. I remember select I do have long COVID,
Speaker 1: so I have that excuse, but I remember that was
Speaker 1: happening with a lot of celebrities. But to be honest,
Speaker 1: at the time, I don't think I even knew wo
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom was like that. So so anyway, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Do your answer about this part?
Speaker 6: No, I mean we saw we saw them earlier because
Speaker 6: they were out when Joe was going to they were
Speaker 6: smoking reef. He was like, oh yeah, smell reefer in there.
Speaker 6: We was going to arrest the homeless guy.
Speaker 1: But he just seemed like a lenient type of sheriff,
Speaker 1: like you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, anyway, he was which for a while, he was
Speaker 6: like that with with the mask too, you know, you.
Speaker 3: Know he was he walked past me, knew they were smoking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but but nah, I think they pretty much
Speaker 6: covered it.
Speaker 2: You know, it was just really about him.
Speaker 6: But still he let him go, you know, because he's
Speaker 6: in a position of privilege of powers, so we can
Speaker 6: I could probably cover up or get away with any
Speaker 6: of the stuff that happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was no Vema of twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: He went to a party at the French Laundry restaurant
Speaker 5: shortly after telling people to I.
Speaker 2: Remember that's it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you not remember that?
Speaker 3: What a loser.
Speaker 1: So well, there's a couple of things that also happened
Speaker 1: during that conversation that we haven't touched on. One is
Speaker 1: that Ted is in business with this company that wants
Speaker 1: to build data centers. And the whole thing with data
Speaker 1: centers is they suck up resources, they fuck up the water.
Speaker 1: So the town is not happy about that. So we see,
Speaker 1: That's what I meant about the crack starting to show
Speaker 1: with Ted is Ted's not. He presents himself as this
Speaker 1: I love my community, I want to help everybody kind
Speaker 1: of guy. Meanwhile, he's in business with big, big business,
Speaker 1: you know. Also, we find out that Ted used to
Speaker 1: date Louise, and there's this weird half story where Luise
Speaker 1: gets pregnant.
Speaker 5: Six months six months Mike what he kept reiterated, it
Speaker 5: was only six.
Speaker 1: Never touched it, right, he said, we never had sex,
Speaker 1: so I don't know talking about but I'm like dog
Speaker 1: six months that's crazy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, six months. They never did anything.
Speaker 5: So no, he didn't date it for six months. He
Speaker 5: only went out on one day with her. It was
Speaker 5: like he ended it because she was weird. But he
Speaker 5: said six months later she came back and said she
Speaker 5: was Oh that's.
Speaker 3: What you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did that part. I just didn't Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew that part. He stopped sucking with her because
Speaker 1: of them damn dolls. She fuckings like Vallid Vallid. I
Speaker 1: go to your house and you're making them ships. I'm out, bro,
Speaker 1: how good you look?
Speaker 3: So yes.
Speaker 1: Then we have this this kind of side story with
Speaker 1: this white girl named Sarah who's getting involved in social
Speaker 1: activism this is just after the George Floyd situation, and
Speaker 1: we also meet Brian who apparently has like a weird
Speaker 1: crush on her.
Speaker 3: Ken You did you care about any of this?
Speaker 1: What did they show the George Floyd thing?
Speaker 3: Like they just said it was on TV? It was
Speaker 3: on TV that part.
Speaker 4: I had those off, but I assumed that it was
Speaker 4: George Floyd that happened shortly after the COVID happened.
Speaker 1: They definitely said George Floyd. I thought they just did
Speaker 1: like a random, uh black.
Speaker 3: Brutality type of thing it was.
Speaker 5: I think they were watching at the police station if
Speaker 5: I'm not, because they was immediately.
Speaker 3: Trying to defend it, like what it detained for on
Speaker 3: some police.
Speaker 1: I think small towns was actually doing that. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: big towns were doing that big towns. When I'm talking
Speaker 1: about like a small country town like that. His question
Speaker 1: is because maybe we're getting confused.
Speaker 4: Defending would b b LM movements in little small country
Speaker 4: towns y'all think.
Speaker 1: That defending the BLM? I think you they were attacking
Speaker 1: the BLM. I think most of these places were looking
Speaker 1: at that, like Spike said, and being like, what is
Speaker 1: George Floyd do? Like why are they detaining him. He
Speaker 1: did something wrong? Is that what they were doing? That's
Speaker 1: what he's talking about.
Speaker 3: The kids?
Speaker 5: About the kids, Yeah, yeah, I think that you probably
Speaker 5: had the same vein of kids young woke. Yeah, like, oh,
Speaker 5: we're going to go out and protest too, like you
Speaker 5: had in this movie. I think they happened in small
Speaker 5: towns too.
Speaker 1: Definitely, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got confused, but yes,
Speaker 1: I do think there were there were especially little white
Speaker 1: kids that want to rebel against their family. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely think I don't know if it was as
Speaker 1: big as the right. It was like a lot of
Speaker 1: it was a little unbelievable exaggerated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was, it was.
Speaker 6: It was definitely intentionally exaggerated. But uh so we're talking
Speaker 6: about Sarah Sarah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess sort of Eric is sort of involved,
Speaker 1: but yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so theyre at this party that meets Sarah.
Speaker 6: So you know, I think now, so with with Ted
Speaker 6: and and oh old girl, you kind of have of
Speaker 6: sort of maybe like the me too movement coming in here.
Speaker 6: Now you got this old George Floyd thing, so now
Speaker 6: you got BLM here, and the so called woke virus
Speaker 6: is thrown in here as well as I like to say,
Speaker 6: you got the cops. So this whole thing about the
Speaker 6: institution and now sizes or being picked in terms of
Speaker 6: the cops really kind of not understanding what was going
Speaker 6: on because they're in a small town. In that town,
Speaker 6: they probably don't have to deal with a lot of
Speaker 6: those issues that are elsewhere because they're just their own
Speaker 6: sort of community, which is why Michael is kind of
Speaker 6: oblivious to everything. So he's kind of bought into or
Speaker 6: assimilated into the system of what Eddington is and probably
Speaker 6: hasn't in his mind, has really experienced racism like that,
Speaker 6: which is why Sarah was bewildered that he wasn't part
Speaker 6: of them, which probably would get too.
Speaker 2: Later, but.
Speaker 6: And you know, that's why also why the white guy
Speaker 6: was like, hey, man, like what do you agree with this?
Speaker 6: And he just kind of was like, I agree with
Speaker 6: what you know. He was just like, I don't, I
Speaker 6: don't get it. So so it's it was it was
Speaker 6: Brian who has a secession like he didn't give a
Speaker 6: fuck about anything that she was involved in. He just
Speaker 6: googled the ship and went over to have a conversation
Speaker 6: with him because he wasn't sincere or genuine, which is
Speaker 6: why Eric was able to kind of come in and
Speaker 6: move along because he was probably able to talk about
Speaker 6: it or fake it a little bit more than him
Speaker 6: and he became involved in a movement that he really
Speaker 6: had no sincerity about. It was just all for chasing
Speaker 6: his girl.
Speaker 3: This was crazy. How he googled that fucking book real quick, bro.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And the data is the interesting thing about the data.
Speaker 6: So the interesting thing about the data center, And the
Speaker 6: first of all, it's the George Floyd thing. What that
Speaker 6: was in twenty centre So when I was like, man,
Speaker 6: so much happened like and around that same time frame.
Speaker 6: It's freaking nuts, bro, Like you had that happening and
Speaker 6: all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was. It was insane.
Speaker 6: But the data centers five years later are now like
Speaker 6: AI because even they threw that in this ship. So
Speaker 6: you got the because they need these centers in order
Speaker 6: to do AI because it uses a lot of energy
Speaker 6: and computational power to do it. And there are reports
Speaker 6: that these things.
Speaker 2: Are really really loud.
Speaker 6: And Mike already addressed all the consumption that he's doing
Speaker 6: to the to the communities. There have been articles about
Speaker 6: that stuff too. So it's a lot in this movie
Speaker 6: that he threw in here.
Speaker 2: Uh so.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So after Luis gets upset with Joe for running from Mayor,
Speaker 1: we cut to some BLM protests and like Kim was
Speaker 1: talking about, the protesters are trying to get Michael on
Speaker 1: board with joining the fight, and Michael seems very hesitant.
Speaker 1: Spike was a fucked up for Sarah to shane Michael
Speaker 1: about this. It was man because he was trying. He
Speaker 1: was trying to be there and be supportive of their cause.
Speaker 1: He wasn't well read on it. I do agree with
Speaker 1: her there, but she didn't try to take time either.
Speaker 6: Like Michael's the cop, not Brian Blocky. Brian was the
Speaker 6: one that arranged the fucking pro.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, you the whole thing you're talking about, my
Speaker 5: god from the UK. I mean no, because he's kind
Speaker 5: of oblivious to it, being a cop. Like, what side
Speaker 5: would you expect him to be on? I think it
Speaker 5: was more so her being mad because of them dating
Speaker 5: and him not with them not being together anymore, and
Speaker 5: she was using that as a conduit to be like
Speaker 5: critical of him. I don't think she really expected him
Speaker 5: to be on the side, which in a small town.
Speaker 3: I get it. I don't agree with it, but I
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 1: Before I pass this off, I'm just gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and throw out there it is always, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: wrong for what for people like Sarah to do what
Speaker 1: she did in this mood? You little white motherfucker, you
Speaker 1: have zero and I mean I was pissed. I'm out
Speaker 1: of this zero white to come to me a black
Speaker 1: man and start talking about your representing racism?
Speaker 3: Are you fucking insane? There were about three times in
Speaker 3: this movie I was like, what Mike is gonna be?
Speaker 3: I was annoying.
Speaker 1: I think Sarah's heart was in the right place, but no,
Speaker 1: like I agree with her, he is backing up a
Speaker 1: racist system, but I don't think that's her place, especially
Speaker 1: in public with a whole bunch of other white people.
Speaker 1: You got no fucking right to go up to a
Speaker 1: black man and be like, you need to take that off.
Speaker 1: You're representing racism and you need to be part of this.
Speaker 1: Why aren't you taking a knee?
Speaker 3: Motherfucker? What she was passionate to.
Speaker 1: She believed that she she said this in real life before.
Speaker 1: I believe that she said this in real life to
Speaker 1: somebody before. She was too believable with this, like it
Speaker 1: seemed like improv It ain't even seem like I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: she was going, yeah, yeah, it was. It was a
Speaker 1: bit triggering, but it was fun and it was like
Speaker 1: interesting why I said it seems so real because she
Speaker 1: had conflict in saying it and like, and I know
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be saying this, but she was just.
Speaker 4: Kind of going all doing all of the things, all
Speaker 4: of the things that we've seen on TV or in
Speaker 4: real life.
Speaker 1: Definitely in real life, I've seen this and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: looking at motherfucker's real side eye, like, bro, you don't
Speaker 1: want my opinion right now because I'm gonna hurt your feelings.
Speaker 3: And that's how he was looking to you, like.
Speaker 2: Or he really wasn't processing what the fuck she was saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah he did. I think he was just so far
Speaker 3: removed from it.
Speaker 1: He was like like what, No, I think he was
Speaker 1: thinking about it, really, yeah, I think he was thinking
Speaker 1: about cross his mind. It hasn't until that moment. I
Speaker 1: think when she said it, he stopped in thought and
Speaker 1: was like, oh, ship, she might be right, she was right,
Speaker 1: but she still had no right right ship to a
Speaker 1: black man in front of a whole bunch of white people.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna fuck what protest you're at.
Speaker 1: Anyways, so we cut back to to Joe's house and Spike,
Speaker 1: we meet Vernon Jefferson Peak. I forget the actors name
Speaker 1: in real life, but apparently he's a big deal. I'm
Speaker 1: not super familiar with him, but h Louis Louis brought
Speaker 1: him some of his cult members home. So what did
Speaker 1: you think about the conversations that went down during de fault?
Speaker 3: It probably did? What did he do?
Speaker 1: It was so so uh Joe had made Louise promise
Speaker 1: that she would have dinner with him because she was
Speaker 1: gonna leave him over the video. Oh no, no, I
Speaker 1: remember this, Okay, yeah, yeah, that real weird dude came
Speaker 1: around started looking in their house and stuff before I
Speaker 1: go there real because I thought was one of the
Speaker 1: funniest things for me was when dude went back to
Speaker 1: his house and was having dinner with his dad and
Speaker 1: explained it to him.
Speaker 3: About you're a white you're white.
Speaker 2: Laugh.
Speaker 3: I was laughing, So I was the only person in
Speaker 3: the theater that laughed loud.
Speaker 1: That was the only part I laughed at out good,
Speaker 1: but that.
Speaker 2: It happens it was like, bro, what are you doing?
Speaker 6: Like you're white, you were speaking out against your own race,
Speaker 6: which is how we kind of are where we are today.
Speaker 6: A lot of that sentiment has started to kind of,
Speaker 6: you know, replicate that's hilarious. But no, I just this
Speaker 6: way started to turn for me in the sense of, Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm picking up what you're putting down.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 5: Where are we gonna go with it? And then it
Speaker 5: starts slowly started heading nowhere like this scene right here.
Speaker 5: None of this made sense to me. I didn't care
Speaker 5: about it. I didn't care that his wife was crazy.
Speaker 5: I didn't care about the cold. I don't care if
Speaker 5: she runs away. None of that mattered to me because
Speaker 5: just Emma Stone hadn't put in enough time on screen
Speaker 5: for me to be compassionate with the character like it
Speaker 5: just it was weird. So you agree with that, Rod,
Speaker 5: I think it was more so not about her, and
Speaker 5: more and so about what it was gonna do to Joe.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's what they That's what the hitch was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about emm the Stone.
Speaker 4: It was like, how is it it was gonna affect
Speaker 4: him and how he snaps and how he gets to
Speaker 4: where he gets to in the movie. So that's why
Speaker 4: I didn't really have a problem with it, because it
Speaker 4: was more so about him.
Speaker 6: Well you know, and also I think, again there's a
Speaker 6: lot in here. So now you've bringing in the religious
Speaker 6: aspect of it. So you know, she's our guess is
Speaker 6: upset with Joe because her and dawna kind of like
Speaker 6: anti government, you know, anti you know, all these conspiracy theories,
Speaker 6: and here.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 6: A running for to participate in this system. But he
Speaker 6: wanted to do it and what he thought was his way,
Speaker 6: and it was going to be the right way because
Speaker 6: he was going to be anti government. That was his
Speaker 6: whole thing, you know, in running against Ted and was
Speaker 6: all on his trucks and stuff like that. So but
Speaker 6: it also shows that people like that can also be
Speaker 6: very vulnerable to outside institutions.
Speaker 2: And here come this other guy.
Speaker 6: Because she's consuming a lot of this stuff, so here
Speaker 6: came this other guy who can take advantage of somebody
Speaker 6: that's longing and looking for somebody else that's vulnerable. She
Speaker 6: has a mom that's instilling a lot of these thoughts
Speaker 6: and ideas in her head, and she's formulating her own
Speaker 6: and then she goes through what sounds like a traumatic event,
Speaker 6: so she could easily be, you know, possibly manipulated, and
Speaker 6: here he comes. So then you have this cult like
Speaker 6: religious act respect of virus now present in the movie.
Speaker 1: So I slightly disagree with y'all. I think this whole
Speaker 1: scene was all about Louise. I don't think it really
Speaker 1: had anything much to do with Joe at all. This
Speaker 1: was really a catalyst for us to figure out what's
Speaker 1: going on with Louise, because prior to this, we don't
Speaker 1: know what happened to Louise. We know she had some
Speaker 1: kind of trauma, but we don't know the details at all.
Speaker 3: But when Vernon.
Speaker 1: Starts talking about he was one of ten kids that
Speaker 1: was strip naked and they were sent out and their
Speaker 1: dad was gonna hunt them, and you know, but he escaped,
Speaker 1: and then Louise starts talking about pedophiles and she starts
Speaker 1: hinting that it was her father that touched her. So
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't really like this, because it was
Speaker 1: just like, I'm with Spike more than I think I've
Speaker 1: ever been with Spike. She had not put in enough
Speaker 1: screen time for me to really care that much about
Speaker 1: how this affects the story because if we had been
Speaker 1: given a movie where it's a standard Emma Stone performance,
Speaker 1: which is typically fucking great, then I would have been
Speaker 1: far more interested with what happened. But she's barely been
Speaker 1: in the film, and when she is there, it only
Speaker 1: seems like she's there to service Joe. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't care really, So but when she starts talking
Speaker 1: about the fact that you know she was touched in
Speaker 1: some way, and then you know, if you couple that
Speaker 1: with how Dawn treats the Dead Father like she's so
Speaker 1: worshiping of this man, it was like, Bro, you're throwing
Speaker 1: all these things into this film only for you to
Speaker 1: drop them shits off a cliff with not even a
Speaker 1: book in the water, because we don't know anything and
Speaker 1: you took it nowhere. So this whole shit irritated the fuck.
Speaker 2: Out of me. So I.
Speaker 6: Because even even Joe asked when she fell asleep. I
Speaker 6: first I thought the guy. I thought the Colt leader
Speaker 6: was lying about. And I thought when she was telling
Speaker 6: that story, she was talking about Ted, and and oh
Speaker 6: you thought for that, yeah I did. I thought she
Speaker 6: was talking about Ted and not her dad. Until Joe
Speaker 6: asked the question, I was like, oh, I probably, but
Speaker 6: then we kind of moved on. But I think that
Speaker 6: was enough to get her away from from Joe, which
Speaker 6: is where I I'm with Ride on this. It served
Speaker 6: as a trigger, another trigger point for Joe later on
Speaker 6: in the movie, but yeah, now his wife is gone.
Speaker 1: It does. But I think I was disagreeing with the
Speaker 1: with the idea that this didn't really have anything to
Speaker 1: do with anybody but Joe, like, I don't think if
Speaker 1: you if we had this and maybe you didn't say
Speaker 1: that exact phrase, if we didn't have this scene, I
Speaker 1: don't think we would have the idea that Louise was
Speaker 1: touched by anybody really like that. She kind of made
Speaker 1: a reference to this earlier in the film when they
Speaker 1: were at the dinner table, but she didn't make it
Speaker 1: very clear until this scene. So I feel like they
Speaker 1: brought Vernon in here just for this. And at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I'm not saying I don't obviously,
Speaker 1: so somebody says anything stupid, I'm not saying I don't
Speaker 1: care about women being assaulted. I just didn't particularly care
Speaker 1: in this movie because it was like, I don't even
Speaker 1: really know how she fits in with this story because
Speaker 1: she hasn't done anything that still circles back to Joe,
Speaker 1: even that part, because that's what he later on in
Speaker 1: your notes. I'm sure that's what he uses for his campaign. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm saying, but I'm saying this had
Speaker 1: to do with Louise. What I'm saying is that if
Speaker 1: this scene had not been there, then Joe would have
Speaker 1: had nothing to even react to. Yeah, which is why
Speaker 1: I was there. Maybe I'm not following you.
Speaker 4: I'm saying it's the scene is still needed, Yeah, to
Speaker 4: set up what happens with Joe later.
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's just solely that we get something
Speaker 4: out of it, because that circles back later to when
Speaker 4: he sees her.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: But I thought you were saying this was all about Joe. No,
Speaker 1: it sets up Joe for later, right. I used it
Speaker 1: as a setup for Joe later. I looked at it.
Speaker 1: I didn't even look that deep into it.
Speaker 4: It's all I'm saying, like, like, I do feel like
Speaker 4: Emma Stone was unutilized here in this movie, but this
Speaker 4: what that to this extent too.
Speaker 1: Where she was, you know, used to set up the
Speaker 1: rest of his story. Okay, gotcha, sol Yeah, I'm with
Speaker 1: you on that, And that was again part of my issue.
Speaker 1: It's like, why are y'all doing everything to fucking service Joe,
Speaker 1: Like even Pedro Pascal. It's like, Bro, as good of
Speaker 1: an actor as he is, all he's doing is being
Speaker 1: like a fucking half assed.
Speaker 3: Sidekick for this story.
Speaker 1: This shit aggravated me anyway. So after he watches a
Speaker 1: video of Portland police in a gunfight with Antifa, there's
Speaker 1: a conversation amongst the cops about what's going on, and
Speaker 1: we have Guy, the white cop. He's asking Michael if
Speaker 1: he understands it.
Speaker 3: He was so.
Speaker 5: Condescending throughout this whole film. Guy he had a white
Speaker 5: dude from a Yellowstone.
Speaker 3: Uh, it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 5: It was irritating, but it was also good how he
Speaker 5: was doing it, because he was coming off as if
Speaker 5: he did it like he was being genuine in asking
Speaker 5: these like condescending asked questions.
Speaker 1: You don't think he was. I think he was genuinely
Speaker 1: that stupid.
Speaker 3: Spike, that's what they were trying to portray.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know for a fact, but that's how
Speaker 1: I took it. I don't think he was being condescending,
Speaker 1: because condescending typically applies some sort of knowledgence.
Speaker 3: Got it.
Speaker 1: I think that this dude is really that stupid where
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't understand this.
Speaker 3: Do you get it? I mean, you're black? Do you
Speaker 3: under understanding it? Can you explain it to me?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: That makes yeah, that makes sense, y'all, y'all are y'all
Speaker 3: are problem was.
Speaker 6: A small country town isolated from the world, and all
Speaker 6: of this stuff is being they're being exposed to it,
Speaker 6: you know, via social media and television, so yeah, and
Speaker 6: then it hit is the highest level of it, yeah,
Speaker 6: and eventually infects that town in his own way as well,
Speaker 6: So he he doesn't know what the fuss going on
Speaker 6: because they don't have that they haven't really had to
Speaker 6: deal with that ship. So he's like, and I'm sure
Speaker 6: kind of what where I was asking earlier, Like there
Speaker 6: are a lot of towns that just go about their
Speaker 6: own damn way, don't care about the outside world, and
Speaker 6: then they don't understand why people are reacting the way
Speaker 6: that they are. So that's why he went to the
Speaker 6: black I was like, do you understand maybe you can
Speaker 6: share some insight because you're black. So you you can relate.
Speaker 6: The question I have is that that Portland story was
Speaker 6: made up, right, Shi, it was.
Speaker 1: Real about what happened in actual real life. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: took over the town for a while, ye'all didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't remember.
Speaker 2: I don't. I didn't either. That's what took over a town.
Speaker 3: You've been here, shootout like that that happened.
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I don't remember.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me look this up, he asked him.
Speaker 5: Did he tell him at one point I didn't even
Speaker 5: see you as black before this that comes in later.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, So let's go ahead and get to
Speaker 1: the to the part where Brian's telling Michael to take
Speaker 1: a knee.
Speaker 3: Kim, would you.
Speaker 1: Where did you get from this part? And was it
Speaker 1: weird when all the white people started to kneel?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very weird.
Speaker 6: It was very weird, weird that they started to take
Speaker 6: a knee. And this was like when they was in
Speaker 6: a row. This is before the riot part happened, right,
Speaker 6: because remember they threw the window.
Speaker 2: Because remember Joe was going to his campaign.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think because I think they told him to
Speaker 1: settle down, and this was the way they told him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think in the background those argue that busted windows.
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, because it was getting out of hand.
Speaker 3: It was chaos.
Speaker 6: Remember the first time he ran into them, they were
Speaker 6: That's when Sarah was yelling at him, and then they
Speaker 6: took me, right.
Speaker 3: I think, I think this is all the same.
Speaker 1: There was no There were two different protest parts. There
Speaker 1: was one part where Sarah was chastising Michael about why
Speaker 1: are you on that side? But then there was another
Speaker 1: part where they were basically all kind of arguing with Michael.
Speaker 1: They were picking up Michael in both protest scenes.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about the second one.
Speaker 3: The second one.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is the one where David gets involved, and
Speaker 1: David's the one that's chastising Michael.
Speaker 6: Now okay, okay, yeah, because because also yeah okay, So
Speaker 6: so at this point then we see.
Speaker 3: The are not David Bryan, I don't know, the.
Speaker 2: Homeless guys started to go through.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: So now this whole b l M.
Speaker 6: Liberal sort of thing that they're doing is basically been
Speaker 6: You can see that as being effected with this sort
Speaker 6: of stuff from the outside world as well. So they're
Speaker 6: doing all of this stuff and yelling at Michael and
Speaker 6: all this other stuff. Ted's son is being a dick
Speaker 6: talking about what his dad did to you.
Speaker 2: Know, his wife. Yeah, just all very disrespectful.
Speaker 6: And Brian, who did this for his own completely selfish reasons,
Speaker 6: you know, is losing because because I forgot Joe said
Speaker 6: something to the son what's his name, Eric, Yeah, and
Speaker 6: made him cry.
Speaker 2: He went off to cry Sarah. So he's being.
Speaker 6: Consoled over there, and Brian's looking at that. It's like,
Speaker 6: what the fuck is going on? Like, I'm supposed to
Speaker 6: be the one that's kind of because he's.
Speaker 2: The one that started this whole shit. He's the one
Speaker 2: that started the.
Speaker 6: Protest, so he's jealous, and his jealousy leads to another
Speaker 6: part that happens later on in the movie. But for
Speaker 6: him to sit there and get in his face and
Speaker 6: try to tell him what he should do, and he
Speaker 6: doesn't understand when he's not even a real believer in
Speaker 6: the cause himself, he's only doing that for his own
Speaker 6: selfish reasons. It's like, bro, what the fuck? But this
Speaker 6: is what happens. Sometimes you do have people in this
Speaker 6: movement that were in there for nefarias or alternative reasons.
Speaker 6: They're not even they don't even care about the ship.
Speaker 6: They're just there to service their own their own personal
Speaker 6: games and needs, and that's what this guy was doing.
Speaker 1: M Spike was wearing all the white people. Neil. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was reminded me of that picture of Congress and
Speaker 1: everybody was like what.
Speaker 5: So it definitely reminded me of that this is how
Speaker 5: we protest, this is how fuck off.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: This is a bunch of yeah, yeah, that happened in
Speaker 5: August of twenty twenty, and the teeth thing important.
Speaker 1: What what town?
Speaker 5: I'll later, but I did two people die to activists
Speaker 5: were killed by police.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 6: I that's amazing that we're still walking around, man, black
Speaker 6: fols shooting up.
Speaker 1: The police said, no, it was Antifa. That was like
Speaker 1: typical Antifa members were were not members, but you know
Speaker 1: people that represent Antifa are usually white.
Speaker 2: I thought they kind of started to blend the two together, connect.
Speaker 1: The two the Republicans because they started they didn't know
Speaker 1: what the fuck Antifa even was, so they were trying
Speaker 1: to make it seem like it was an organization, just
Speaker 1: like Black Lives Matter, which y'all all fell for. This
Speaker 1: is an organization, which it's not, just like BLM is
Speaker 1: not an organization it's a mindset. So it's antifa. Antifa
Speaker 1: just means anti fascist. I could be considered an Antifa member,
Speaker 1: but there's no fucking card, there's no fees, news, there's
Speaker 1: no membership. It's just do you do you think that
Speaker 1: fascists are terrible?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Cool, you're Antifa?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember all that. But they work connect the
Speaker 6: Antifa into the Black Lives Matter.
Speaker 1: They were the same. We did it in here, right,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Maybe, well yeah they did. They did.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. Yes, you're right, Spike, they did.
Speaker 1: But anyway, all right, uh, Rod was weird when Joe
Speaker 1: recorded that video saying Ted sexually abused Louise and got
Speaker 1: her pregnant.
Speaker 3: Force to the aboth the kid, and why did he
Speaker 3: do that?
Speaker 1: It was absolutely weird. He was just trying to get leverage.
Speaker 4: He thought that was gonna a scandal, would would give
Speaker 4: him leverage to uh, to get ahead of him in
Speaker 4: the in the in the running, but it, you know,
Speaker 4: ended up just kind of backfiring on him. Honestly, I
Speaker 4: was gonna bring up something else before this part. Mm hmmm,
Speaker 4: because we didn't. We didn't talk about like when he
Speaker 4: decided to campaign and he was he drew on the
Speaker 4: board because that comes around later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to skip over I got you, I
Speaker 3: got you.
Speaker 1: It just comes up later. But but anyway, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seemed really weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a really weird vibe what he was doing.
Speaker 4: Even the people in there just like you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like, why are you you know, bringing up
Speaker 4: of that? But but now I feel like people that
Speaker 4: that's another glimpse of stuff.
Speaker 3: Like people use that type of thing too to.
Speaker 4: Get ahead of their they're running there, the person they're
Speaker 4: running against, They'll they'll use like these allegations and and
Speaker 4: things like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, it.
Speaker 4: Was very true. Like I said, true to life. I
Speaker 4: didn't I didn't realize. I didn't know why he was
Speaker 4: just being so direct with this movie.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I was really the whole time looking for is there
Speaker 1: a deeper thing that I'm supposed to be catching because
Speaker 1: this is just you're just giving us a glimpse at
Speaker 1: how how politics and all this stuff.
Speaker 6: Goes, well, just the world of humanity in general. But
Speaker 6: I was really trying to figure out, like, wait, why
Speaker 6: did you just say that? But I think you know,
Speaker 6: Joe was driven by ego and Joe.
Speaker 2: I mean, one of the.
Speaker 6: Things he said when he walked in was like, oh,
Speaker 6: I thought it was gonna be bigger. Like his campaign
Speaker 6: doesn't work. People aren't latching onto any to what he's doing.
Speaker 6: So now he's like, well, let me try to go
Speaker 6: to a scandal. And he probably he just heard that
Speaker 6: message too from the religious guy, right, this came after that,
Speaker 6: so maybe maybe he saw the cult leader use it
Speaker 6: and it worked for him, so maybe he was trying
Speaker 6: to use that for his own Babe. I'm just now
Speaker 6: thinking about this now. I din't think about you know,
Speaker 6: at the time, the dots.
Speaker 1: The story he told what was the pedophiles, because I
Speaker 1: don't know why he did it, And I was like,
Speaker 1: why the fuck you even do that? He did that
Speaker 1: because again, he doesn't like being out of control. He
Speaker 1: doesn't like the fact that everyone's just kind of like
Speaker 1: overtaking what he thinks should be his. He wants the
Speaker 1: political power in that town, but Ted is clearly winning now,
Speaker 1: BLM is here, the Blacks Lives Matter is now here.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like that ship, so he's like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck can I do? Boom, I'm gonna use my wife's
Speaker 1: trauma to further my political career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's horrible.
Speaker 1: Was it weird spy that Louise left and made a
Speaker 1: video saying Joe was lying?
Speaker 5: Definitely and for her to stay gone too, like that
Speaker 5: being a final straw that breaks the camel's back and
Speaker 5: her not wanting it into public consumption like that and
Speaker 5: him not caring about that at all. That was one
Speaker 5: of the biggest that this is when it really really
Speaker 5: was turning for me. I was like, what's the motive?
Speaker 5: Cause at one point in time, like you said, it
Speaker 5: seemed like political power. Then it just seemed like I
Speaker 5: just want to be popular and on top and like
Speaker 5: I'll do everybody, which led to the rest of the
Speaker 5: shit that I didn't.
Speaker 6: Get what she was So I was still confused by
Speaker 6: this whole her whole storyline, because I was like, Okay,
Speaker 6: she made the video, she doing this to save face,
Speaker 6: like cause it made it seem like don was just
Speaker 6: lying about the whole thing because maybe she had some
Speaker 6: reservation about her daughter being in this relationship and then
Speaker 6: she made the video or was all of that shit
Speaker 6: just made up?
Speaker 2: Which shit? Just the whole thing with Ted and Louise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all that was made up.
Speaker 1: Louise was molested by her father, so that's why Don
Speaker 1: was covering it up.
Speaker 6: So Don got it because she was sixteen, right, I
Speaker 6: don't remember how old she was, so Don was.
Speaker 2: Using Ted to cover up with got him? Cool? Kay?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 1: Don did not want anything to besmirch the memory of
Speaker 1: her beloved husband, which is why we saw his picture
Speaker 1: like large. But you see Luise doesn't fuck with that.
Speaker 1: She's not looking at it and talking about, oh I
Speaker 1: missed my dad, you know, excuse me? Damn uh she is.
Speaker 1: She is tired of the mom's ship. She's been under
Speaker 1: her mom's thumb forever. The mom has been covering it up.
Speaker 1: She can't take it anymore. So that's why she leaves
Speaker 1: and she puts the video on saying that Joe was lying.
Speaker 2: Got it? Okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Rob? What'd you think about what went down when Joe
Speaker 1: was sent to Ted's house for the noise complaint?
Speaker 3: What do I think went down? What do you think
Speaker 3: about what went down?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, no no no no no no no.
Speaker 1: I was I was just trying to process.
Speaker 4: Like I knew this was going to happen. I knew
Speaker 4: he was going to turn it off and he was
Speaker 4: just gonna turn it back on. I don't know why
Speaker 4: I knew that was going.
Speaker 1: To have this basic storytelling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: Just like, he's just going to turn it back on,
Speaker 1: like whatever, whatever.
Speaker 3: What I did not expect to happen like twice did?
Speaker 1: He said like two or three times it was a
Speaker 1: bitch slap too, that it wasn't even hard. That's what
Speaker 1: it was, like a bitch that's like, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like it didn't, it didn't. Joaquin's amazing acting skills. He
Speaker 1: was just like he responded like how anyone would respond
Speaker 1: if somebody slapped in your mouth. I think I got
Speaker 1: a natural reaction of like a shove or something, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I think that would be my
Speaker 1: natural reaction.
Speaker 2: I guess for us. Yeah, but JA came then, I
Speaker 2: guess Joe wasn't. I guess.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he striked me a little bit, as somebody would
Speaker 5: have like tried to bunk back a little bit.
Speaker 2: Not me.
Speaker 1: Really, you saw him fighting the homeless dude earlier, right,
Speaker 1: don't wonder that's.
Speaker 3: Why he slapped because he knew He's like, he knew
Speaker 3: he was a bit ship.
Speaker 1: I don't think Ted is a fighter like that either.
Speaker 1: But I think Ted was just tired of Joe ship.
Speaker 3: He was tired of Joe ship. But I forgot about
Speaker 3: he witnessed Joe.
Speaker 6: He did, but also Ted, Joe lost a lot of
Speaker 6: leverage once that video came out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a wrap. Yeah, and remember he didn't ye.
Speaker 2: Remember he walked into his speech.
Speaker 6: I thought it was gonna be a lot larger crowd
Speaker 6: here than what it was and Ted got houses packed.
Speaker 1: Everybody's at okay, it makes more sense. So Joe now
Speaker 1: realizing he's because completely lost.
Speaker 3: I had Doe.
Speaker 5: I would like noding to this point, but the smack
Speaker 5: woke me up and I was like, he woke too,
Speaker 5: I thought exactly. I was like, okay, so something there
Speaker 5: has to be some resolution to this. I was surprised
Speaker 5: when he walked away and didn't do nothing, but it did.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: I was up and like locked in because I knew
Speaker 5: something was gonna happen.
Speaker 6: Well, it was crazy because isn't that assault, Like you
Speaker 6: assaulted a police officer, which is crazy in front of
Speaker 6: all of these people. Yeah, but also Ted has leverage
Speaker 6: to do that because he was just accused of something
Speaker 6: that he didn't do. The accuser came out and said
Speaker 6: it never happened, and.
Speaker 1: Yes it's assault of a police officer, But who the
Speaker 1: fuck has Joe's back except for guy. Everybody in that
Speaker 1: town fucks with Ted, even with the mask mandate. Shit,
Speaker 1: the town fucks with Ted. And Joe knows that Ted
Speaker 1: has the money behind him because he's a part of
Speaker 1: this whole committee that's trying to install these data centers.
Speaker 1: So Joe can't do shit to Ted. But who Joe
Speaker 1: could do some shit to is the uh, houseless house
Speaker 1: free guy. Uh what do you think about when.
Speaker 3: Went down at the bar Spike?
Speaker 5: This was was all the way out of conspiral, out
Speaker 5: of control for me, and I was like, bro, what
Speaker 5: is happening right now?
Speaker 3: Because one.
Speaker 5: After we've sit here and talked about it, and it
Speaker 5: leading up to every all of those frustrating things.
Speaker 3: I get where he shoots the police.
Speaker 5: I mean the homeless dude, and maybe tries to dispose
Speaker 5: of the body, which he probably didn't have to do.
Speaker 5: That's why I was like, why is he doing all
Speaker 5: of this? He could just say he did something like
Speaker 5: police do all the fucking time, and then they'll come
Speaker 5: get the body and you're good. But yeah, this was
Speaker 5: from here on out. I didn't understand anything.
Speaker 3: From here on out. I was like, bro, what is happening?
Speaker 1: What about you?
Speaker 3: Rod Nah?
Speaker 4: I think this is probably like some of the most
Speaker 4: interesting parts of the of the movie for me, Like
Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying, Spike. It just it started
Speaker 4: getting like super chaotic. But this was interesting because I
Speaker 4: thought it would it would get into some some more.
Speaker 4: This is the actual like like this, we got into some.
Speaker 5: Ship and it was forced action though like all of
Speaker 5: this stuff, like he could have just left him there.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was forced because it was
Speaker 5: a build up to it, and then he had just
Speaker 5: lost So this is him snapping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is him snapping.
Speaker 4: This is him breaking, and and I like, I fucked
Speaker 4: with the break like this, this was more so what
Speaker 4: I expect to see when I come to.
Speaker 1: An ari Astra film.
Speaker 4: I got, okay, this, this this is what I what
Speaker 4: I what I came for. After an hour and see,
Speaker 4: I would have been here for the break, but something
Speaker 4: happened later on that made it seem like it was
Speaker 4: more diabolical.
Speaker 3: He had a plan and I know we'll get to it,
Speaker 3: but like, are you crazy?
Speaker 5: Are you crazy, and did you snap or was this
Speaker 5: a pro like this this out that I was about
Speaker 5: to say, it was both. So it was just like, damn,
Speaker 5: you didn't think that he was actually thinking about it
Speaker 5: like this, because even when he told the black officer
Speaker 5: of the shoot, it's like he thought these things through
Speaker 5: a little bit exactly. But then it was also presented
Speaker 5: as oh, he just snapped.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so's it's both though it's both, which which
Speaker 4: is kind of what happens like right with with with
Speaker 4: with like terrorist actions or people that that snap. Right,
Speaker 4: It's like it's both. It's like they got to a
Speaker 4: breaking point, but they also thought it through a little bit,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So it's very it was
Speaker 4: very like, I don't want to say reminiscent to that,
Speaker 4: but like you know, it was very on on on.
Speaker 6: I think his his decision to cover it up was
Speaker 6: interesting because they I don't think he did a good job.
Speaker 6: You know, you floated a body down a river that
Speaker 6: should if it doesn't seem reserved somewhere, somebody's gonna find it.
Speaker 6: I didn't understand that part, but the way he kept
Speaker 6: staring at him, I was like.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna shoot this bom I did too.
Speaker 2: And he shot him.
Speaker 6: I was like, okay, but who really cares about you know,
Speaker 6: people like that, so you can easily get away with that.
Speaker 6: So I was like, okay, well, you know, and you know,
Speaker 6: he started kind of digging the bullets out and stuff
Speaker 6: like that. But every since that guy came into town,
Speaker 6: shit just kind of went crazy. He so, and now
Speaker 6: Joe is at his breaking point because his whole world
Speaker 6: is crazy, is basically turned upside down too.
Speaker 2: So, and it started with him wrestling on the ground
Speaker 2: with with that with that.
Speaker 4: Guy, you know, speaking of that, like, I thought it
Speaker 4: was also I think brilliance a strong word, but I
Speaker 4: thought it was. I thought it was it was cool
Speaker 4: to see him gradually get sicker, like he was just
Speaker 4: cough here and there. That cough just kept getting worse
Speaker 4: and worse. And so I thought that was an interesting
Speaker 4: note that they did in this movie and attest to,
Speaker 4: you know, the acting skills of Joaquin, like showing that
Speaker 4: he's getting you know, sicker and sicker.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because it correlates to with with like the progression
Speaker 6: of the movie in terms of like the infection of
Speaker 6: the virus and everything that's going on here on on
Speaker 6: all the different levels, so you know, so he kills him,
Speaker 6: and you.
Speaker 2: Know, and that was it.
Speaker 6: So it made sense for him to He couldn't do
Speaker 6: shit to Ted, so he took it out somebody that
Speaker 6: couldn't defend themselves. But that's also yelling at him as well,
Speaker 6: so that was his way of acting out and snapping,
Speaker 6: and he just he just killed him, and that's the
Speaker 6: way he's taking his anger up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the scene either, because I was I
Speaker 1: was thinking the same thing. Spike was just saying, why
Speaker 1: are we bothering to clean up this body? What are
Speaker 1: we doing? I thought he was gonna shoot the homeless
Speaker 1: man and then frame Ted for doing it because it
Speaker 1: was at Ted's bar, But instead he fucking pulls the
Speaker 1: bullets out, takes homeless man drump, dumps him in a river,
Speaker 1: and then I was like why, And if I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: I don't even think this came back around later after
Speaker 1: Ted is killed, So I was just like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: But did y'all notice what the homeless man was saying?
Speaker 6: I can't remember, but I was definitely wanted to pay
Speaker 6: attention to what he was saying because at this I
Speaker 6: started to realize that this homeless man kind of played
Speaker 6: a role in the movie.
Speaker 2: But what was he saying.
Speaker 1: He was saying, I'm gonna infect everyone, was it? And
Speaker 1: then he also says when he's drinking the liquor, he says,
Speaker 1: everything tastes the same m m oh. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he has COVID. Okay, so he is the COVID monster
Speaker 1: And I guess this is when he infects Joe, which
Speaker 1: I don't care. So it cuts to Ted's house where
Speaker 1: he's arguing with his son about a purse, and some
Speaker 1: shit went down.
Speaker 3: Spike was just enough action for you? Hell no, because
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just seemed like.
Speaker 5: Him doing it out of the and I don't know
Speaker 5: it's out of the blue, but.
Speaker 3: I didn't see.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that he had thought it out well
Speaker 5: enough to do what he did later and frame somebody
Speaker 5: for it. I thought it was part of just the
Speaker 5: trajecty of him spiraling and he's like, okay, I killed once.
Speaker 5: Now I can just go shoot them from long range.
Speaker 5: And it just wasn't suspenseful enough for me, Like it
Speaker 5: was just like it seemed random as hello, you agree
Speaker 5: with that?
Speaker 1: Rob?
Speaker 2: No again?
Speaker 1: And just didn't seem it didn't seem random to me.
Speaker 4: It seemed like a man that got to a breaking
Speaker 4: That's what we're talking aboutready, It seemed like a man
Speaker 4: that got to a breaking point.
Speaker 3: I was like, I said, it was a shock, dude.
Speaker 4: These were the old ship moments I was talking about,
Speaker 4: like I did say oh shit, like like when I.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, man, he just killed this motherfucker, like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and oh.
Speaker 3: He just killed his son.
Speaker 4: Even if Song's reaction was was crazy, it was realistic,
Speaker 4: like when he missed him the first time and he's like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, he tried to get away, but he actually
Speaker 4: end up shooting his ass too. Did you immediately think
Speaker 4: it was him? No, I thought it was the I
Speaker 4: thought it was the black cop because they had showed it.
Speaker 4: Because because they showed him, he was practiced early.
Speaker 3: He was practicing earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was. And by now he has saw
Speaker 2: the picture too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the picture, so it was it was a misdirection.
Speaker 5: They originally thought it was him because he thought it
Speaker 5: was a black eye too. No, okay, because he was
Speaker 5: bragging too, Joel about how you know he was progressing,
Speaker 5: and I didn't think did the black cop will be
Speaker 5: able to do it?
Speaker 3: But then my mind media went to Joe. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: didn't think it was Joe.
Speaker 1: When I saw him behind the rifle, I was like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: that was Joe.
Speaker 3: I didn't think he was gonna go. I didn't think
Speaker 3: he was gonna snap like that.
Speaker 1: What'd you think him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm with Rod, I was. I didn't see
Speaker 2: this coming at all.
Speaker 6: I thought we were just done with with the homeless guy.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 6: I was like, so when testing and there talking and
Speaker 6: then the bullet come through, I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 6: And then was a was tend like, oh, Ted has
Speaker 6: lost it. I mean, Joe has lost it, But where
Speaker 6: the fuck is this going? Like, how's he gonna throw
Speaker 6: this up? Because you are his primary like opponent in
Speaker 6: this whole thing. You don't like him, so everybody will
Speaker 6: suspect you, and you just got slapped. I think that
Speaker 6: was the thing that confused me. You just got slapped
Speaker 6: around of everybody, and now this guy, now you're shooting
Speaker 6: this guy, everybody's gonna think it's you. So I'm thinking ahead.
Speaker 6: I was like, this doesn't make any sense for why
Speaker 6: he did this. And then he shot the other guy.
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, you're not a good shot either,
Speaker 6: but then he got him because but then I remember
Speaker 6: he also was bragging like he's a really good shot.
Speaker 6: He was like, oh yeah, you, and you ain't as
Speaker 6: good as me.
Speaker 2: So I was really curuous.
Speaker 6: I was like, Okay, how the hell he's gonna get
Speaker 6: out of this? And then you walked someone walked in
Speaker 6: and like he's thorough. He got the shoes on, he's
Speaker 6: digging the bullets out, and then he had the paint.
Speaker 6: I was like, what the fuck's he gonna paint? He's
Speaker 6: gonna paint over the bullet. Oh know what he was doing?
Speaker 2: But watch I didn't know what that was.
Speaker 3: That was planted.
Speaker 1: So the purse was Sarah's purse. He put it there.
Speaker 1: He put it, He broke in and put it there. Yes,
Speaker 1: so this was That's where I'm with you, Spike. This
Speaker 1: was planned, and it was kind of planned to a
Speaker 1: meticulous point where it started to get a little ridiculous
Speaker 1: for me. But yes, he broke in put Sarah's purse there,
Speaker 1: which I don't know where he got Sarah's purse. But
Speaker 1: then after he kills Ted and Eric, he puts on
Speaker 1: the walls, no.
Speaker 3: Justice, no peace, it's just the Black Lives batter check.
Speaker 1: Yes, so that is to direct the Black Lives Matter
Speaker 1: folks or like make them the main suspect.
Speaker 5: But so yeah, so they should have did better, Shuan,
Speaker 5: how much time, Like was it right after he killed
Speaker 5: the homeless dad? Have no fucking because to come up
Speaker 5: with this elaborate ass playing it just didn't.
Speaker 6: It was like, wait, he took the watch from the house, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: And planted it.
Speaker 5: But even doing the Black Lives Matter thing and knowing
Speaker 5: that the black guy had been practicing his shot, it
Speaker 5: seemed like he had been thinking about that for a while.
Speaker 3: It's like, I won't direct himness way.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was. Well, actually, maybe you're right, Spike.
Speaker 1: I never I never thought that he was trying to
Speaker 1: set Michael up until later. Yeah, I thought he was,
Speaker 1: But that might be why he put Sarah's herst there
Speaker 1: because he knew that. But that also doesn't really make
Speaker 1: any sense because everyone town didn't associate Michael with BLM.
Speaker 1: He didn't, So actually, I don't think he was trying
Speaker 1: to set Michael up.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 1: I really think he was trying to set up Sarah
Speaker 1: because she was the main face of BLM.
Speaker 5: But then the sniper thing, they would be like, this
Speaker 5: little girl can't snipe anybody.
Speaker 6: I don't know that the sniper thing was an accident.
Speaker 6: I think him, I know, but I think he missed
Speaker 6: a casing. He only got two. He stepped on the
Speaker 6: third one. That's why he couldn't find the third.
Speaker 1: No, what he's saying is, even if you're trying to Cara,
Speaker 1: why would they think Sarah could snipe these two people.
Speaker 5: Only a few people in that town probably could do
Speaker 5: that shot, even without the shaowcasing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he hadn't seen the picture of Michael and
Speaker 1: Sarah yet. That happens later, So I don't know.
Speaker 6: Actually, yeah, his means of killing him didn't make any
Speaker 6: sense to me. That's why I was trying to figure
Speaker 6: out how to hell when when it was revealed that
Speaker 6: the note just no piece, I was like, how are
Speaker 6: you going.
Speaker 2: To tee that to black lives? To black lives matter?
Speaker 6: When the shot, when the murder would have had to
Speaker 6: happen inside the house, m.
Speaker 3: They would have been outside the house.
Speaker 1: That's the point. It would have had to be an
Speaker 1: actual sniper. Even if well, I guess unless they're just
Speaker 1: shitty cops, and because he took the shell casings, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't know that it had to be a maybe that's it.
Speaker 6: But at some point, when you do forensis of the
Speaker 6: whole area, you'll see the trajector like when you do
Speaker 6: the autopsy, you'll see the bullet came in from behind you.
Speaker 5: They gonna know that it came and broke the glass
Speaker 5: and went through the window, so they would it was
Speaker 5: a snipe.
Speaker 1: Window just bow instead of somebody. I don't know this.
Speaker 1: This is this is where the movie just really started
Speaker 1: to fall apart from me anyway. So I was just like,
Speaker 1: all right, dog, I don't really this is stupid. The
Speaker 1: conversation with Sarah and the cops, did y'all take anything
Speaker 1: interesting from that?
Speaker 6: I saw she was texting Michael. I could barely read
Speaker 6: what she was saying. I think it was like the
Speaker 6: cops are at my house or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was basically explaining protests and why agitators want
Speaker 1: protests to be violent.
Speaker 3: That was the only thing very interesting I pulled from this.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I had tuned up. I feel you, I
Speaker 3: feel you.
Speaker 1: She wasn't even trying to read the text.
Speaker 3: I tried to read the text.
Speaker 1: It was too small, my little raggedy ass theater, but
Speaker 1: they wanted us to read the text. They I think
Speaker 1: that I was just not I was in the regular
Speaker 1: ask I was. They don't have good screens there. It's
Speaker 1: like watching a big fucking tube TV. She was basically
Speaker 1: saying that the cops want protesters to be violent, so
Speaker 1: old white people will support martial law when it happens.
Speaker 1: The common theory of why they want this stuff to happen,
Speaker 1: why agitators are called in to make these things happen.
Speaker 6: Which shows that when you have this sort of counter intelligence,
Speaker 6: I can't go to the word, but when you have
Speaker 6: this opposite rhetoric, you have the violence that you had
Speaker 6: in the other when somebody threw a rick window through
Speaker 6: that guy's house, then they looked at his protests, and
Speaker 6: then you have cause to do the things that you're doing,
Speaker 6: which is basically what she was explaining. But also again
Speaker 6: how these different thoughts and ideas can kind of grow
Speaker 6: in manifests and spread, you know, and just cause chaos among.
Speaker 2: Opposing factions.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna have to start combining things and
Speaker 1: jumping along here. So Brian has an interview and he
Speaker 1: makes an implication that Michael may have done it because
Speaker 1: of the picture, so they immediately.
Speaker 3: Go and arrest Michael.
Speaker 1: Then there's a conversation between Guy and Joe about BLM.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that conversation where he's basically talking about
Speaker 1: Michael and how he didn't realize he didn't see Michael's
Speaker 1: race until Black Lives Black's Lives Matter happened, and now
Speaker 1: he can't tell if he's more of an officer or
Speaker 1: a black person. Rob, what did you think of that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean yeah this Nah, Yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 4: this part really stuck out to me at all.
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's pick a side, right, because this
Speaker 6: sort of started like earlier, some of a very simple
Speaker 6: they're all watching it and they're all like this one unit,
Speaker 6: we're all cops here now.
Speaker 2: And then later on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it started to escalate. Then it was like okay,
Speaker 6: well he's it's still it started to grow in manifest
Speaker 6: and spread and now guys like, well shit, Michael, he
Speaker 6: still doesn't know what the fuck going on? Michael, what
Speaker 6: the do you understand it? Maybe can you help ride
Speaker 6: some clarity? And then all of this happens, and then
Speaker 6: it's like, well, shit, I don't know if he's black
Speaker 6: or a cop, Like, I don't know what what side
Speaker 6: he's on. And then because he has this perceived idea,
Speaker 6: well he says in it, and I can't remember exact
Speaker 6: he said, well, because somebody was like, well tens, oh yeah,
Speaker 6: he said, tess and hispanic, So why would he kill
Speaker 6: you know him? He was like, well, they said they
Speaker 6: hate everybody, they don't.
Speaker 2: Care about themselves, so it would make sense.
Speaker 6: But he's spreading this idea that he gotten from somewhere,
Speaker 6: you know, as all this stuff is coming in this town,
Speaker 6: basically poisoning the thoughts of the city or this small town.
Speaker 2: But it was an interesting conversation.
Speaker 5: I thought that that was about to be the premise
Speaker 5: of the movie, how the black guy was a part
Speaker 5: of the establishment and he wasn't really into it, and
Speaker 5: then they turned this whole thing around him so quickly.
Speaker 5: As far as it being like you are a nigger,
Speaker 5: I knew it, like just I know, I thought that
Speaker 5: was going to be it. So I think they did
Speaker 5: it well to set him up to be arrested, because
Speaker 5: it did look suspicious as far as if you were
Speaker 5: looking from their perspective, but then I don't think that
Speaker 5: they did enough with it from there, so it didn't
Speaker 5: really matter. Yeah, I kind of agree.
Speaker 1: It was just like, like I liked the conversation and
Speaker 1: how the conversation happened about, you know, because cops do
Speaker 1: you think that way, like are you more of a
Speaker 1: black person or are you a fucking cop because they
Speaker 1: see cop as a race. They're so fucking delusional that
Speaker 1: cops think that way. So I did find this part
Speaker 1: to be interesting, which again made this movie so fucking
Speaker 1: frustrating because it's like, dude, you're like almost there with
Speaker 1: an interesting conversation, then you just fucking move away from
Speaker 1: it to some some more nothing ass bullshit. But yeah,
Speaker 1: So a Butterfly, the Pleblo cop, he notices the marker
Speaker 1: board in Joe's police station and he recognized the handwriting,
Speaker 1: which causes him to run back to Joe's house because
Speaker 1: he thinks that Joe is involved. But while this is happening,
Speaker 1: someone breaks Michael out of jail, which leads Joe and
Speaker 1: Guy to find him in a valley in front of
Speaker 1: a burning barrel with a drone in the sky. What
Speaker 1: did you think about what happened here, Rod.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this again. I thought this was interesting as well.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the fuck is happening? Who are these
Speaker 4: people and what's going on? I also thought it was
Speaker 4: interesting before we got.
Speaker 1: Here with the the Native American. I guess it was
Speaker 1: that he didn't he didn't realize that it was part
Speaker 1: of their investigation too, because of where he shot the
Speaker 1: bullet from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah it was. He It fucked up his whole situation.
Speaker 4: So he started kind of scrambling to get with it
Speaker 4: where he was. But uh, but this part right here, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was just like, Yo, what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 4: Who are these people.
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: Because I think they show like a plane, a jet
Speaker 1: flying here, yeah, with a bunch of people in masks
Speaker 1: and ship. Yeah, but I figured that they were just
Speaker 1: like extreamists or something like that or.
Speaker 3: Just man, yeah, just just some type.
Speaker 4: Of group like that that came to this town too.
Speaker 4: After seeing it, I guess did they make public news
Speaker 4: and ship or what? Because how they had known about
Speaker 4: this town?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Did they make public news that this was happening.
Speaker 1: In the town? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so this people, Oh it did.
Speaker 1: It had to have because these people were sent to
Speaker 1: so I assumed that these were agitators. They were not
Speaker 1: actually quote unquote Antifa. These were agitators flying because Antifa
Speaker 1: ain't got no fucking money for the goddamn jets and
Speaker 1: shit like.
Speaker 3: Okay, so all right, I missed all of that.
Speaker 5: Man, I don't know because I was wondering, like Joel Rodsons,
Speaker 5: like who are these people? And I immediately went to
Speaker 5: irritate it because it's like they're not even gonna take
Speaker 5: time out to explain it, like it's just like it
Speaker 5: was really it was too subtle for me, and I
Speaker 5: think it needed to be a lot more overt for
Speaker 5: the final climax thirty minutes to be focused on them
Speaker 5: trying to kill the sheriff.
Speaker 3: It's that that's crazy to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was also wondering if that data center
Speaker 4: was a part of the whole skin of that whole movement.
Speaker 1: I think that was just another because I think during
Speaker 1: twenty twenty also there was that situation where there were
Speaker 1: centers being built on indigenous land. There were protests about
Speaker 1: that too, So I think this was just fucking already
Speaker 1: astri throwing a gumbo of just random ship that happened,
Speaker 1: and it was like what's the point here?
Speaker 4: Can that would be a conspiracy too, like if that
Speaker 4: if that company is trying to clear agitate this I'm
Speaker 4: saying and just trying to you know, it's too much
Speaker 4: shit going on here, But we want to get our
Speaker 4: data center here though, so.
Speaker 2: It would make sense for them to fund it, which
Speaker 2: is why they.
Speaker 1: Had a case.
Speaker 4: You just not anybody just has a JIT, but a
Speaker 4: fucking data center would have a JIT.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they just lost Ted is a big part of
Speaker 6: their plans and he no longer exist.
Speaker 1: But also, white supremacists have money for jets, So I
Speaker 1: thought the whole time that it was a white supremacist group.
Speaker 1: That was absolutely because this is the perfect thing to happen.
Speaker 1: You put this on the news. Oh, Antifa showed up
Speaker 1: and took over a small town and killed the sheriff
Speaker 1: and the mayor. Boom, you're good, which is why I think.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's this part of the next
Speaker 1: part when Show is driving and he sees that big
Speaker 1: statue and the statue says white supremacy on it, which
Speaker 1: that didn't really either in my opinion, but burning crosses.
Speaker 2: And that's when he was going to find Michael.
Speaker 1: So yeah, It was basically like plant planted to look
Speaker 1: a certain way. Yes, it was planted. It was supposed
Speaker 1: to look like Antifa did this. I didn't really like
Speaker 1: this though, But like, so, first off, I don't get
Speaker 1: why Michael was speaking funny, like his voice was fucked up.
Speaker 1: But then why the muffle go away after that? It did?
Speaker 5: I thought he was trying to do that so they
Speaker 5: wouldn't understand because.
Speaker 3: It was bugged.
Speaker 1: Oh is that what it was?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was trying to talk to where they couldn't
Speaker 5: pick up what he was saying because they were recording
Speaker 5: it because they showed a little video and they had
Speaker 5: to arrow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, but I thought I thought they had
Speaker 4: some in his mouth to where he can he was doing.
Speaker 1: He speaks like he was when when what's his face
Speaker 1: too close? He yells out like, don't like stop what
Speaker 1: I've got what he's saying? He said, yeah, something like
Speaker 1: oh shit wow. But yeah, so Michael is speaking weird.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you explained that because I didn't understand that part.
Speaker 1: A guy walks closer.
Speaker 3: To him and the explosion goes off on him.
Speaker 1: Captain apparently he should yeah, sure, and then the fire
Speaker 1: that ignites it spells out no peace, so that is
Speaker 1: another reference to BLMS. This is them trying to frame
Speaker 1: BLM for everything. But then we get Joe. He's attacked
Speaker 1: in the street by a hit man. A hit man
Speaker 1: is chasing Joe down and real quick, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess we got to talk about this part. This leads
Speaker 1: Joe back home. Spike, what'd you think of the scene
Speaker 1: with Dawn where she sort of appears as Luis for
Speaker 1: a hot second.
Speaker 5: I didn't take anything from this. I was wondering why
Speaker 5: the mom was even back. I know she said it.
Speaker 5: She went to the colt and was listening to some
Speaker 5: of the beliefs and then they got too extreme for her,
Speaker 5: Which is this what she hopped in the bed with him. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't think I realized Don left together the cult
Speaker 5: with Louise. I thought I thought her mom said she
Speaker 5: went with and didn't started getting too radical, and that's
Speaker 5: when she came back.
Speaker 3: She said it.
Speaker 5: She said I was with her, and then she started
Speaker 5: talking like getting to earlier in the they.
Speaker 3: Just talked about it.
Speaker 5: That's why he was so surprised when she was there, gotcha, Yeah,
Speaker 5: And he was like, because she had been gone for
Speaker 5: a while, but she was with her daughter.
Speaker 3: Gotcha.
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess that makes more sense about why she
Speaker 1: would be appearing as Louise and right, that's what he
Speaker 1: wants to be there, but instead it's old raggedy ass.
Speaker 1: Dont anything for this or the next part.
Speaker 6: Well, I was trying to figure out what what Joe
Speaker 6: was talking about it was, because now he's saying, uh,
Speaker 6: they've come to kill me. But then he held up
Speaker 6: this phone was ringing and it was like it said restricted.
Speaker 6: He was like, see, So now I was wondering was
Speaker 6: he part of all of this ship from the jump
Speaker 6: or did he get involved and then they were just
Speaker 6: trying to kill him because he had already did what
Speaker 6: they did.
Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, no, I think what he was trying to
Speaker 1: hint at is like the Deep State was after him
Speaker 1: now because he knows it's not BLM. But had he
Speaker 1: been in communication with the deep State prior to this?
Speaker 6: I got because he was liked killed they said, I
Speaker 6: killed ted and now you know and now they're trying
Speaker 6: to well maybe it was deep State.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 3: So maybe they approached him and was like, well you
Speaker 3: can have the same power with him.
Speaker 2: He just probably added on to it.
Speaker 1: If that's part of the story, I'm this movie dropped
Speaker 1: down because they needed to have said that shit explicitly.
Speaker 3: Because Joe is not very intelligent. No, he's not.
Speaker 1: So I think I assumed that the phone said restricted,
Speaker 1: and Joe was like, see because it was a restricted
Speaker 1: phone and we're calling him right while the guy was
Speaker 1: hunting him down. That's what Hot's how I took it.
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Speaker 1: To you know, one of the last scenes, Spike, what'd
Speaker 1: you think about the gun chase with Joe and the hitman?
Speaker 5: Absolutely ridiculous because I at this point, like until we
Speaker 5: sit here and talked to it out of y'all telling
Speaker 5: me about the jet and then the corporation may behind
Speaker 5: the order deep State, I couldn't get my mind off of,
Speaker 5: like who is this and why?
Speaker 3: Like why won't why didn't?
Speaker 5: Because I knew they weren't going to so I was wondering,
Speaker 5: why didn't they explain it before it got into this
Speaker 5: deep chase as far as them trying to kill him? Like,
Speaker 5: I get it, I understand that that could happen in
Speaker 5: the movie, but I would have liked more explanation before
Speaker 5: I get invested into this shootout.
Speaker 3: What about you, Rod?
Speaker 4: At first it seemed ridiculous, but it started getting I
Speaker 4: started getting invested because of the because it felt like
Speaker 4: a video game.
Speaker 3: It was like you hearing him breathe and weezing.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, it felt it felt intense.
Speaker 3: It was intense. It wasn't.
Speaker 4: It was a little ridiculous because when theyre shooting at
Speaker 4: his ass, he was missing him. He was terrible shots.
Speaker 4: It was terrible shots. But I don't know, like something
Speaker 4: about it just I don't know, it was still intriguing.
Speaker 4: I guess I was looking. I was reaching for something,
Speaker 4: like reaching for some action and I and I just
Speaker 4: submitted to it. Really And then when they went into
Speaker 4: the gun store, I'm sure that's a that was a
Speaker 4: political statement too, when he went into the gun store
Speaker 4: and he was able to arm and arm himself or
Speaker 4: whatever against against something like this.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, no, I thought it was I thought
Speaker 1: it was fun. I thought it was fun.
Speaker 2: It didn't it didn't bother me at all.
Speaker 6: I was trying to just decipher what all was going on, like,
Speaker 6: you know, who are these people trying to kill Joel?
Speaker 6: All of a sudden, they just kind of popped out
Speaker 6: of nowhere. They were definitely terrible shots, but they were
Speaker 6: not trained, so I guess that would make sense.
Speaker 2: The only thing. I was like, when he went in
Speaker 2: that gun store, I was.
Speaker 6: Like, I said, this motherfucker, I said, it'll be funny
Speaker 6: if he come out busting out of that motherfucker like
Speaker 6: commandod and that came out that mother fuck Like I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, ship, this really came out here like that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: unloading carelessly, you know, like that ship. But but now
Speaker 6: I was like, how many are them? But it was
Speaker 6: a wild, crazy superintendent long scene. But I'm with you
Speaker 6: on the tension because I'm like, they have the high
Speaker 6: ground and Joe's like out in the middle of the street,
Speaker 6: and then they started to kind of play around with
Speaker 6: like the shots and ship like that, so it made
Speaker 6: it disoriented because you were like, where are they kind
Speaker 6: of looking around, you know, where they.
Speaker 3: Are looking for him in the shadows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was it was creative directing.
Speaker 5: Like I was like, damn, this is this is pretty intense.
Speaker 5: It's ridiculous. Yeah, but you know, I expect him to
Speaker 5: do ridiculous shi last.
Speaker 1: Movie, So like I I was afraid, how a point
Speaker 1: I know before I'm just ridiculous, No, I know, But
Speaker 1: that's again that's why I don't like this because it
Speaker 1: was like, if you're making it to where this is
Speaker 1: like a COVID fever dream, I can submit. But he
Speaker 1: went into a gun store and came out with a
Speaker 1: gatling gun? What are we doing? Why is this is stupid?
Speaker 1: But it's not realistic?
Speaker 5: Come on, why you come out of here like you?
Speaker 5: People usually carry those guns on like a moving vehicle.
Speaker 1: They don't sell gatling guns and gun stores. That's the point, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna try to make a realistic depiction or
Speaker 1: semi realistic depiction, make it even close to realistic. Up
Speaker 1: until that, I was like, all right, I can kind
Speaker 1: of see this happening. Sure, But when this motherfucker seriously
Speaker 1: walked out like Buddy and Predator, I was just like,
Speaker 1: all right, dude already asked her wrap this the fuck up?
Speaker 1: What are we doing? I like, it just didn't make
Speaker 1: any sense.
Speaker 6: I like, like I loaded them, mother if if somebody
Speaker 6: if motherfucker's chasing me and I going there, Bro the
Speaker 6: biggest gun I got.
Speaker 2: You said they don't sell him. Typically.
Speaker 1: I was just about to say, y'all, don't be I heard.
Speaker 1: I was worried for a bit in my mute, like
Speaker 1: like that rapper is what Rod said, I'm going to
Speaker 1: get the biggest ship. I think they were trying to
Speaker 1: make a point of selling semi auto, but it's just
Speaker 1: a dumb point because it's just like this is this
Speaker 1: is silly.
Speaker 4: This is really silly. But he had one of those two.
Speaker 4: He had that ship on his shoulders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I hated this ship.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so the gunman ends up shooting the sheriff
Speaker 1: and stabs him in the head, but he's wrecking rescued
Speaker 1: by Brian. That ship was crazy, like is he about
Speaker 1: to stab He's just about to run up on him
Speaker 1: and stab him, and he did right in the head.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, ship, save.
Speaker 2: You live streaming and recording I save you.
Speaker 3: And then him turning it into a political right. So
Speaker 3: he's supposed to be what's his face.
Speaker 1: Y'all know, little buddy, no man, the guy that went
Speaker 1: he carried a gun across lines. He was a young kid,
Speaker 1: killed people. They recently clown him and so yeah, because
Speaker 1: there was pictures of him with Marjorie Taylor Green in
Speaker 1: the movie, and it was just like, all right, this
Speaker 1: is dumb, which kind of makes sense.
Speaker 2: I can see him flipping because he never was for
Speaker 2: the Anywhere.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I think that was kind of the point
Speaker 1: that they're making, is like, of course he would flip
Speaker 1: because all he wants is attention, but I just didn't
Speaker 1: care at this point, like him running out with his
Speaker 1: phone and shooting it was like, well, we didn't even
Speaker 1: get a glimpse of you being this tied to social
Speaker 1: media like that before unless I missed it, But I
Speaker 1: did watch half of an interview with Ariastor where he
Speaker 1: was saying that this movie was supposed to be about
Speaker 1: the dangers of social media, and it was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this sounds like a fucking twirly mustache hipster take on this,
Speaker 1: because it was just like, dude, this is this is
Speaker 1: basic as fuck.
Speaker 5: Dude, Like really, well, yeah, that's sound like what he
Speaker 5: tried to do at the end to save it.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I thought. I was like, it sounds
Speaker 1: like there's some ship you threw in there to make
Speaker 1: it seem like there was a deep point to this.
Speaker 5: No, I think that's that walked social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had it in my notes, the dangers of
Speaker 1: social media this whole movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, where.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like like how.
Speaker 6: Again, this whole theme of viruses, social media, Internet, internet
Speaker 6: virus or whatever. But like if you kind of play back,
Speaker 6: they were a lot on their phone. This is a
Speaker 6: small town that's cut off from the world. How are
Speaker 6: they getting their information? If you going back to the
Speaker 6: way back in the beginning, Don and Louise are getting
Speaker 6: all their stuff from online social media stuff like that.
Speaker 6: When he tried to have sets with Louise and she
Speaker 6: would have sex.
Speaker 2: With him, what did he do? He rolled over? He
Speaker 2: was on his phone, scroll on his phone.
Speaker 1: So that tells you this movie is about the dangers
Speaker 1: of social media. Yeah, that seems really loose it because
Speaker 1: there was no danger for him to roll over after
Speaker 1: Louis don't give him.
Speaker 6: Say but all of these ideas, they're being infected in
Speaker 6: this town by the ideas that are outside of their world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got I got that.
Speaker 2: But these ideas are coming from social media, Internet online.
Speaker 1: He says it in a movie too, is like, what
Speaker 1: you gonna post it on your little Instagram? He's like, yep, I'm.
Speaker 3: Posting on Instagram.
Speaker 2: It's him running from mayor started from the Facebook. Facebook.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, I'm not saying that social media wasn't in
Speaker 1: the film. What I'm saying is I don't think that
Speaker 1: this was a very clear message, at least for me.
Speaker 1: I definitely walked away with being like, well, y'all definitely
Speaker 1: showed a lot of how social media happens, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't egregious to the point where I would take away, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're making a point about how dangerous social media is.
Speaker 2: Not that you say earlier you didn't want it to
Speaker 2: be too clear? What do you mean with some of
Speaker 2: his films?
Speaker 1: I don't remember saying that.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe I've been understood.
Speaker 1: No, maybe I said it and forgot. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what it sounds like me, but I don't think I
Speaker 1: said that. It's not that I don't want his movies
Speaker 1: to be clear. It's just that I want to understand
Speaker 1: that there is some sort of message something for me
Speaker 1: to chew. On his last three films, they were very
Speaker 1: message heavy.
Speaker 3: It was like, Yo, when you.
Speaker 1: Finished the film and you walk away, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I understand how this is where you're talking about the
Speaker 1: dangers of cults. Got it, You're talking about family trauma,
Speaker 1: got it, You're talking about you know, anxiety, got it?
Speaker 1: With this, it's like, oh, really, we're talking about social media?
Speaker 2: Is dangerous.
Speaker 1: It's like, bro once again, this is a very basic
Speaker 1: ass idea and it's to me, it's not even presented
Speaker 1: in a creative way.
Speaker 5: But the Tech Company gets rich off the division while
Speaker 5: we bicker and fight. Does he feel like that was
Speaker 5: his There was a summation of what he said, but
Speaker 5: he said he feelt like.
Speaker 2: This, Well that was at the end.
Speaker 6: I think that book ended and kind of probably steal
Speaker 6: the deal because you know, they still got what they
Speaker 6: wanted while this community basically fell apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but.
Speaker 1: I got that point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I like with all he said, though I
Speaker 4: don't want to just paraphrase what he said. He said,
Speaker 4: I took the meaning that the tech is underlining thing
Speaker 4: divided us, COVID intensified the division and had us all
Speaker 4: following different ideologies which had happened that.
Speaker 1: Leading to us to us to the destruction.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: The post of the movie with the buffalo kind of
Speaker 4: solidified that for him. He said that Tech company gets
Speaker 4: rich off the division while we all bicker in fight.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean all like like it was it. It
Speaker 6: was like everybody was impacted one way or another by
Speaker 6: the ideas of all these other entities. You know, from
Speaker 6: b LM to you know, the cops to everything, and
Speaker 6: I think, just you know, I was thinking about it.
Speaker 2: You have the white guy Joe who.
Speaker 6: As his aspirations to be this big kind of glamorous thing.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna take over this city. I'm gonna be mayor.
Speaker 6: And when that failed, what did he do? He resorts
Speaker 6: the violence. What do you know what is typically sometimes
Speaker 6: sought you tod with white people. I couldn't get my way,
Speaker 6: so I resort to violence. That's how we got to America.
Speaker 6: And that's why you have sort of like the underlying
Speaker 6: part about the kind of in the background with Pueblo people,
Speaker 6: Pueblo that are there that he didn't even know it
Speaker 6: was part of like this that sat on the county
Speaker 6: that they had sort of rights to it. He just
Speaker 6: kind of tried to get rid of them and dismissed them.
Speaker 6: And then you also have the black guy Michael, who
Speaker 6: kind of assimilated and was part of the system that
Speaker 6: didn't fuck with him.
Speaker 2: And he didn't realize it.
Speaker 6: He was oblivious to it until he was reminded that
Speaker 6: he was black, you know, towards the end, and then
Speaker 6: he got turned at the end of the.
Speaker 1: Movie didn't get turned. He became sheriff. That's my whole
Speaker 1: point with this, like, what the fuck are you even
Speaker 1: not you? But what the fuck are you even trying
Speaker 1: to say with it.
Speaker 6: He didn't seem like he was angry though about the
Speaker 6: portray that happened, because he didn't seem like he was
Speaker 6: happy to be sheriff.
Speaker 1: He didn't see like he was mad about being sheriff.
Speaker 6: His face was all, well, he wanted to be sheriff
Speaker 6: because his dad was sheriff. Dad never made to be sheriff.
Speaker 6: But he seemed but he looked like he was mad,
Speaker 6: though you be mad.
Speaker 2: To face was what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Because he saw a mirror at.
Speaker 6: Some point and he's out there shooting and he's feeling
Speaker 6: the the at sheriff or whatever Joe's.
Speaker 1: He was filming Joe in a wheelchair on some Stephen
Speaker 1: Hawk and ship.
Speaker 3: It was just it was like that.
Speaker 5: That bomb, I know, the other dude in half, but
Speaker 5: he was standing right on top of it.
Speaker 3: He lives. I don't know whether it was.
Speaker 1: It seemed like the bomb was pretty close to him,
Speaker 1: but I let it go. I thought the same thing Spike.
Speaker 2: But I thought he was there whatever.
Speaker 3: But I even like the.
Speaker 4: I mean that makes sense as to why, you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's it's like a Western. It's like the wild
Speaker 4: wild West, Like it was kind of a similar thing
Speaker 4: going on down and I'm just saying it was like
Speaker 4: it was a lot of outlaws.
Speaker 3: It was it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just the same type of vibe.
Speaker 1: It felt like that, but in a more modern day sense.
Speaker 1: Thank you shooting from I think so too. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's been I think it's very intentional that he
Speaker 1: made it like a Western. I think it was intentionally
Speaker 1: he made it like a Western, but with all the like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of outlaws and stuff. It was just like, man,
Speaker 1: but this this film just did not seem anywhere close
Speaker 1: to as deep and compelling as his standard films are.
Speaker 1: Like when all of his movies have a have a
Speaker 1: part at the end where everything just goes fucking crazy,
Speaker 1: this was the least interesting crazy moment, you know. I
Speaker 1: don't think he was actually trying to make an overall
Speaker 1: solid point. I think the social media is evil thing
Speaker 1: is just some basic bitch kind of logic there. I mean,
Speaker 1: anybody can make a movie about the dangers of social
Speaker 1: media and it's like we've already been beaten over the
Speaker 1: head with the dangers of social media at the very least,
Speaker 1: how about make it createative. I don't find that this
Speaker 1: was creative, all right, so.
Speaker 3: Let me let me so.
Speaker 1: I looked at The Wild Wild West you're about to
Speaker 1: read a whole no no, no, no, just just a couple
Speaker 1: of no no, no, just a couple of key points
Speaker 1: of it. And I thought he probably implemented this. He
Speaker 1: probably looked used this as a reference. So the error
Speaker 1: was marked by a rapid expansion in settlement. It was
Speaker 1: also marked by lawless and violence. It was marked by
Speaker 1: the clash of cultures and the rise of iconic figures.
Speaker 1: That was that was the key characteristics of the Wild
Speaker 1: Wild West. We got all that, But who cares. I
Speaker 1: think that gives a fuck. He did it in a
Speaker 1: modern way. I thought that was that's created. It's basically
Speaker 1: we are. And the reason was sparked, is what Jalen said.
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, he kind of right, because like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was like the Wild Wild West, Like it made sense,
Speaker 4: Like it's making this movie make a lot more sense
Speaker 4: to me, because you got the gunfights, you got the like.
Speaker 1: That was never my confusion. My confusion was never why
Speaker 1: why are you making this a Western? That was never
Speaker 1: because he's from New Mexico, so who is a Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: so again my whole thing was always what is the
Speaker 1: point I.
Speaker 3: Think showing the correlation of.
Speaker 4: This time with the time of the with the eighteen
Speaker 4: hundreds or whatever when the Wild Wild West was happening.
Speaker 6: Now, I think you probably just don't like the point
Speaker 6: that he was making in this movie.
Speaker 1: What is it? What's the point that he was making
Speaker 1: that I'm supposed to like or dislike? I think that
Speaker 1: if it's really just, oh hey, guys during twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: there's a correlation between what happened in twenty twenty and
Speaker 1: the Wild Wild West, if that's the whole point.
Speaker 6: No, not that, I'm just I'm just thinking about just
Speaker 6: like again, like just it was even on his truck
Speaker 6: about I can't remember what it was on the truck
Speaker 6: something about the virus, but just like how these how
Speaker 6: we all can be infected and with this one thing,
Speaker 6: and what is the virus?
Speaker 2: Does?
Speaker 6: It gets in your system and then it starts to
Speaker 6: grow nfest and you kind of see it where this
Speaker 6: whole BLM thing started with two girls talking as social justice,
Speaker 6: and here come these two guys long. The next thing
Speaker 6: you know, they're in the crowd, in the in this
Speaker 6: small block, in the truck. The next thing you know,
Speaker 6: it's this whole little city. You have that thing. You
Speaker 6: have Joe's ambitions as well, that's growing and manifesting, and
Speaker 6: he get infected with that, and then that leads to violence.
Speaker 1: And that's a parallel to like it could be uh
Speaker 1: literally figuratively with Joe, Like as the as the affection got.
Speaker 2: Worse, he got worse, He got worse.
Speaker 6: He even he didn't believe in COVID still never revealed
Speaker 6: that he had it when it got tested, came back coughing,
Speaker 6: trying to conceal the cough. But what is he doing
Speaker 6: this whole time he's there, In the time that he said,
Speaker 6: COVID wasn't there. COVID came as you wanted out by
Speaker 6: the by the homeless guy, right. But all he's doing,
Speaker 6: what is he doing? He's spreading the virus everywhere, and
Speaker 6: the virus in this town is being spread by a
Speaker 6: lot of different things. That's kind of looping back in
Speaker 6: area also was saying by also outside world and the
Speaker 6: Internet that they have access to.
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 1: Y'all, I don't think the third I was present in
Speaker 1: this film. I think this is the most basic ass message.
Speaker 1: I think I was looking for something deeper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's what. That's kind of where I
Speaker 2: was going.
Speaker 3: Your explanation sounds better than they played out on screen.
Speaker 5: It didn't play out because y'all are not wrong, and
Speaker 5: I'd like it what y'all saying, but how it played
Speaker 5: out on screen, it did not.
Speaker 3: It didn't come off there with.
Speaker 1: I don't even like the way you not not anything
Speaker 1: against you, I don't even like the way you said it,
Speaker 1: because I feel like this could be a TVV. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I got what I mean for the sound.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't mean it like that.
Speaker 1: I'm saying like, if already Aster came out and said, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what I was going for, I would still
Speaker 1: have the same annoyed stance that I have now. That's
Speaker 1: where I was going before you to jump in and
Speaker 1: make it exactly.
Speaker 2: Thank you, just.
Speaker 1: Right, But yeah, yeah, that's my thing. You're right. I
Speaker 1: think I just didn't care about the message, and I
Speaker 1: didn't care about the way the message was portrayed. Because
Speaker 1: if when I'm supposed to walk away from with this
Speaker 1: entire film is social media is dangerous. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: you like, bro, are you fucking serious? Water is wet,
Speaker 1: the sky is blue, Like, do this in a more
Speaker 1: creative way. We all know cults are bad, but when
Speaker 1: you watch Midsommar, you're like, oh shit, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: How this play. We know that family trauma is a thing,
Speaker 1: but when you watch Hereditary, you're like, oh shit, that's
Speaker 1: why the way this broke down. If it's just me
Speaker 1: and I guess spiked to a degree, that's fine. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to get y'all change of mind. I think
Speaker 1: that my expectations were just way too high for this film,
Speaker 1: even though I walked in being like, I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like this, but because I've liked all of
Speaker 1: ari Astro's films, I was hoping I would. But by
Speaker 1: the end of this movie, I was just like, Bro,
Speaker 1: this is your easily easily by leaps and bounds, your
Speaker 1: worst film. This is nowhere near what you did with Midsommar, Hereditary,
Speaker 1: or Bo's Afraid. I think the acting was great to
Speaker 1: wrap this up. From my stance, I think the acting
Speaker 1: was great. I think certain stories and actors were completely
Speaker 1: under fucking utilized. We didn't even need Louise in this
Speaker 1: whole fucking movie. Y'all could have took Louise out of
Speaker 1: this shit, and the whole fucking thing could have played
Speaker 1: out the exact same way. Because Louise added nothing to this.
Speaker 1: You could have had Don still there giving him the
Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff. It was just like, and then the the
Speaker 1: cult guy Wise Vernon, he didn't do shit in this,
Speaker 1: and he's all over the posters and whatnot. And when
Speaker 1: you're talking about the Buffalo or whene of y'all talking
Speaker 1: about Buffalo. Yeah, yeah, Jalen, Yeah, I get you.
Speaker 3: That was very obvious.
Speaker 1: But I think in my brain I saying, he's not
Speaker 1: going this basic. I was telling myself this whole film.
Speaker 1: I was like, he ain't talking about COVID. At some point,
Speaker 1: there's a demon.
Speaker 2: And see I didn't even think it was a COVID movie. Honestly.
Speaker 2: I thought COVID was just kind of used as a setting.
Speaker 6: But what the real quick Dawn did she become part
Speaker 6: of the institution herself.
Speaker 2: Institution you mean, because wasn't she speaking on behalf of.
Speaker 1: What was at the end of the morning, he basically
Speaker 1: became the new mayor because she was huge a caretaker,
Speaker 1: but she was kind of running the show because clearly
Speaker 1: Joe was an invalid at this point.
Speaker 2: Which I don't know how or whatever.
Speaker 4: Well, she was able to kind of spread her message.
Speaker 4: She was kind of able to spread her message that
Speaker 4: she's always had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's now has the power and the ears
Speaker 1: to spread the conspiracies. Now why we end with all
Speaker 1: them climbing in the bed, No fucking clue. Why we
Speaker 1: end with Michael in the field shooting the target and
Speaker 1: then it pulls back. It's just like who who cares?
Speaker 1: Like what difference is make at this point? Yeah, he's mad,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's gonna.
Speaker 4: I think he's going to try to assassinate Joe at
Speaker 4: some point, man.
Speaker 1: Choke to assassinate Joe. You can him over, but he
Speaker 1: has to do it to get away with it. That's
Speaker 1: what you think he practiced. Absolutely, he practicing. Absolutely, he is.
Speaker 1: That's whack as fuck.
Speaker 6: I think he realized the system isn't for him, and
Speaker 6: now he's anti system.
Speaker 2: I know he's still working.
Speaker 3: For the Sistee.
Speaker 5: Oh god, but you know what this y'all y'all worrying
Speaker 5: because I was.
Speaker 3: I ran out of there with Chris.
Speaker 1: I was like, thank god, this bush. I don't even
Speaker 1: care why he's because when I saw him shooting, I
Speaker 1: was like, why is he shooting? Then when it pulled
Speaker 1: back and it's like, oh, there's the data center. Is
Speaker 1: he shooting at the data center? Is he mad that
Speaker 1: the data centers there? What is happening? But y'all saying, oh,
Speaker 1: he was practicing to shoot Joe. I'm like, dog, I
Speaker 1: think he definitely going to do something. But you know,
Speaker 1: because why would you even kill Joe? Like, Joe didn't
Speaker 1: blow your dumb ass up? Quote unquote, he know Joe
Speaker 1: set him up? Yeah, I think he made How does
Speaker 1: he know Joe set him up? Because no, he's no
Speaker 1: Joe said a month. He know, he knows that he
Speaker 1: was set up. He said it on a different station.
Speaker 1: That's a different statement. He doesn't know that Joe set
Speaker 1: him up. Who else would have set a month? The
Speaker 1: other white guy or this group. Yes guy was the
Speaker 1: only one that was racist, but.
Speaker 3: He was in on. But but Joe was in on.
Speaker 3: He's like, don't do this, Why are you doing this?
Speaker 1: Know that Michael does not. Michael, when he starts to call,
Speaker 1: he asked Joe. He told Joe, I don't trust exactly.
Speaker 4: But they show him looking at Joe towards the end
Speaker 4: in the crowd.
Speaker 3: He was in the crowd. Look we dot all that.
Speaker 1: But the whole the statement of he knows Joe set
Speaker 1: him up, I'm saying that is that is not true.
Speaker 1: He may suspect it now never why why would they
Speaker 1: suspect it?
Speaker 2: I'm kind of with Rod, like, why the is he
Speaker 2: looking at Joe like that?
Speaker 1: Even if even if the film is trying to imply
Speaker 1: that Michael thinks that Joe set him up, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense because why would he think that? Because
Speaker 1: we they still don't know that Joe's the one that
Speaker 1: killed Ted. They still don't know that Joe was the
Speaker 1: one that had the gun. No one knows all this.
Speaker 1: So how would Michael know that Joe put the gun
Speaker 1: in his car?
Speaker 2: Know that?
Speaker 1: No, he would right exactly, So Michael would think more
Speaker 1: so that it was guy that set him up. So
Speaker 1: why would he be practicing outside to shoot Joe?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: The only thing maybe he thinks that well, guy got
Speaker 1: blown up, So why would he set me up and
Speaker 1: then have to himself blown up. Joe somehow lived, but
Speaker 1: it seems like he would be practicing to kill whoever
Speaker 1: these Antifa people are because he he Michael doesn't seem
Speaker 1: that dumb. It seems like he'd figure out, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Because they kidnapped him. He knowed somebody else jail.
Speaker 1: They broke him out of the jail, and then they
Speaker 1: then Joe and guy get there and say how did
Speaker 1: you get out here? So there's no way he thinks
Speaker 1: my Joe did it. That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 6: Unless they told him a bunch of ship that we
Speaker 6: didn't see.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but.
Speaker 1: We broke you out and Joe did it. Just so
Speaker 1: you know, Joe is a part of all this, and
Speaker 1: we broke you out, that would be really And we're
Speaker 1: gonna blow you up, so even if you die, you're
Speaker 1: gonna go to the depth.
Speaker 3: At you asking great questions. I don't know, but that's up.
Speaker 3: We're done. We're done.
Speaker 1: I wanted to end this a while ago. I told
Speaker 1: you all this ship was gonna go along anyway.
Speaker 3: We're done.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I totally just cut you off while you're saying I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I was kind of joking, but I realized that was
Speaker 1: weirde what were you saying? I'm good? No, man, go ahead,
Speaker 1: So no know I was good. I was just saying, well,
Speaker 1: why I already had? I got it out?
Speaker 2: You did.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I just said, like, why was he looking
Speaker 1: at I have no clue, That's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 5: I think because they turned on him. He was looking
Speaker 5: at him with some disdain, like he thought Joe trusted
Speaker 5: him a little bit more. But I don't know if
Speaker 5: he was killed when they were in the scenario, he
Speaker 5: couldn't believe that they were treating him like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But but see that goes back to what the girlfriend
Speaker 4: was saying. She's like, look, they don't give a about you.
Speaker 1: You know what she was realizes that makes more sense
Speaker 1: to me what Spike said. I would I would buy
Speaker 1: that anyway. We're not that your little point wasn't good
Speaker 1: and stuff? Okays after me, all right, we're done here.
Speaker 1: Let me know what y'all think. Am I being too
Speaker 1: harsh on this film and spiked the marsh on this film?
Speaker 1: Or Ken and Rod just acceptance?
Speaker 3: Whatever?
Speaker 2: Ship? What is.
Speaker 1: The truth somewhere in the middle, y'all? Let us know
Speaker 1: what y'all thought, and we will see y'all next time.