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Speaker 1: We've been yapping about this all day long and listening

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Speaker 1: to the text line and some phone callers, and we'll

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Speaker 1: get some national perspective now as we turn to the

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Speaker 1: Payless Liquors hotline and from NFL Network, Tom Pella, Sero,

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Speaker 1: terrific reporter there, joins us now on the Fan Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Tom. It's never boring for you. There's always

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Speaker 1: somebody in a quarterback controversy somewhere in America for you.

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Speaker 2: Right well, we're on the pretty short list at this

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Speaker 2: point of the competitions in camp, but you're right, we'll

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Speaker 2: be a week or two in the season and people

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Speaker 2: will be calling for somebody to get benched somewhere. You know,

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Speaker 2: this one was really going all the way back to

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Speaker 2: the combine. When Chris Ballard said it's going to be

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Speaker 2: an open competition, you knew that they were going to

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Speaker 2: try to bring in somebody to really and truly push

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson. You know, the unfortunate part in all this is,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that you ever really got the type

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Speaker 2: of competition that you would have wanted. We all know

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson what he needs above all else's reps. He

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Speaker 2: needs time on task, And for a guy who had

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Speaker 2: bottled injuries his first two years to come in and

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Speaker 2: the start in the first preseason game and dislocate his

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Speaker 2: pinky right out of the gate, it just it felt

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Speaker 2: like a continuation. I don't think that by any stretch,

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Speaker 2: this is the end of Anthony Richardson. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: plenty of other quarterbacks who you know, have not been

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Speaker 2: and they go someplace else, And I mean, shoot, we're

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Speaker 2: still talking about Trey Lance. You know, oh, you know,

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Speaker 2: great preseason that he had with the Chargers. It's like,

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Speaker 2: for Trey Lance. At this point, there's no reason that

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Speaker 2: we can't, you know, be talking about Anthony Richardson somewhere

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Speaker 2: down the line. But you know, the guy needs to play,

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Speaker 2: he needs to practice. He didn't get the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: do that, and the Colts just aren't in a position

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Speaker 2: task in regular season games where you know, wins and

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Speaker 3: Tom James woy here from the Athletic and I enjoy

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Speaker 3: your work as well. You certainly me busy like the

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Speaker 3: rest of us in this reporting world, and I do

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Speaker 3: want to pivot a bit back to what you've just

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Speaker 3: said with Anthony. There is hope that he can still

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Speaker 3: become something. But the narrative that the cults are trying

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Speaker 3: on him. There's a future for him in Indianapolis. But

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Speaker 3: how realistic do you think that is? Considering that he's

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Speaker 3: a now former top five pick that's been bench twice

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Speaker 3: in nine months. Those players usually don't work out with

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Speaker 2: Still, Well, let's start with the reality, James, that you know,

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks get hurt, and certainly I don't wish that on

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones at all. But the odds are that over

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Speaker 2: half the teams in the league use multiple quarterbacks in

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Speaker 2: does this mean for Anthony Richardson? I would I would

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Speaker 2: That was kind of the first time that anybody was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson got put in a really tough spot. I

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Speaker 4: Definitely echo what James said. Tom Pelsera does a great

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Speaker 4: work NFL Network where you can find him insider there.

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Speaker 4: You can see him on The Insiders That's Weak nights

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Speaker 4: seven pm Eastern on NFL Network. Tom we saw Derek Jackson,

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Speaker 4: ESPN and mentioned, yeah, they are unhappy about this situation,

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Speaker 4: What do you think the market would look like? Do

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Speaker 2: I believe Trey Lance went for a fourth round pick

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Speaker 2: He had accuracy issues, like Anthony Richardson has not been

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Speaker 2: not like, you know, Daniel Jones is one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that the same dynamic exists here

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Speaker 2: I just don't think that that exists. So you know,

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, realistically, if Anthony Richardson sees

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Speaker 3: Tom, just Tom's just ruining my childhood dreams there with

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Speaker 3: It worked back then, Tom, but it.

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Speaker 2: I think they claimed him on a Monday and he

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Speaker 3: That yeah, along those lines. My dad's a diehard Raiders fan.

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Speaker 3: I never let him forget that game. I'm like, you

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Speaker 3: within that, Tim, how much pressure do you think this

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Speaker 3: you know, goodwill or grace should they get if this

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that part of the reason, and I

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Speaker 2: the rest of his roster's pretty good, and whether Anthony

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Speaker 2: not coming till December, but it's coming. And if you

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Speaker 1: Tom thanks for your time this morning. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I know you're back out to some other camps, but

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Speaker 1: we'll look for you on NFL Network and see you

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Speaker 1: down the road.

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Speaker 2: You got it, guess. Thanks