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Speaker 1: Let's look at that dude like it's coming up. He's

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Speaker 1: got So as always, there's so much going on with

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Speaker 1: Indiana politics and government. Let's get to the bottom of

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Speaker 1: at least some of it. And as we do each week,

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Speaker 1: we bring in one of the best in the business.

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Speaker 1: Nikki Kelly from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle joins us. Now,

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Speaker 1: Nikki Kelly, Hello, Hello. All right, So the big well

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Speaker 1: several big stories to get to. First of all, are

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Speaker 1: we making money? What is going on with us housing

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Speaker 1: the illegal immigrants in Miami?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we are going to make money, probably a fair amount.

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Speaker 2: The federal government's going to pay US two hundred and

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Speaker 2: ninety two dollars per day per detainee in comparison with

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Speaker 2: the state cost for housing its own inmates that Miami

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Speaker 2: is seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Dollars a day cushion, and so like, how are we

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Speaker 1: talking about.

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Speaker 2: Well, they can take up to one thousand, but the

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Speaker 2: way the two year contract is written is after like

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Speaker 2: some initial startups, so after the first one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty days, the federal government's guaranteeing a minimum payment of

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Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty people per day, even if they

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Speaker 2: don't have four hundred and fifty people. Oh wow, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so they are definitely going to make money. So the

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Speaker 2: state Budget Committee approved some sixteen million dollars worth of

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Speaker 2: kind of upgrades and security things they needed in place

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Speaker 2: before we start accepting detainees. That per DM rate should

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Speaker 2: take care of that pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So this is this could be like a new

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Speaker 1: business model for the state of Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, they were very honest. It is a

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Speaker 2: for profit venture. They almost I think ed Delaney represent

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Speaker 2: ed Delaney even said you're talking of this like it's

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Speaker 2: an economic development you know thing, And they said, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So do we are there? Like are people going to

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Speaker 1: secure that prison? Like how does that work?

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Speaker 2: So this, yes, this is the only slight thing is

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Speaker 2: the reason they're not using those beds as is is

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Speaker 2: because they don't have enough guards. And where my in

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Speaker 2: directional is, they just can't entice people to come be

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Speaker 2: guards in that area. There's not like a huge city

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Speaker 2: to pull from or anything like that at the rate.

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Speaker 2: So they're off to do that to try to fill

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Speaker 2: these guard positions. They're upping the pay from like twenty

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Speaker 2: to try to entice people to take those posisions, and

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Speaker 2: they're going to build some temporary housing for them at Miami.

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Speaker 2: So basically people could come in from another city, work

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Speaker 2: their shifts, you know, for a few days, then go

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Speaker 1: Thicky Kelly from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle is our guest,

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Speaker 1: is there any pushback as anybody said this is a

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Speaker 1: bad idea?

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously the Democrats on the committee expressed concern

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Speaker 2: about using facilities for you know, roundly at people and

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Speaker 2: sending them back as they obviously disagree philosophically with how

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Speaker 2: some of that is being handled. They wanted to make

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Speaker 2: sure they're treated well and have access to attorneys and

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Speaker 2: things like that. But yeah, there wasn't huge pushback.

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Speaker 1: Now, okay, well let's go let's transition to something where

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Speaker 1: there was huge pushback, and you guys had a big

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Speaker 1: X was on this over at Indiana Capitol Chronicle dot com.

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Speaker 1: And this is Susie Javarowski, the Energy Secretary. She was

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Speaker 1: speaking at the Indiana Fiscal Policy Institute, and she came

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Speaker 1: out and said she thinks these energy development people should well,

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Speaker 1: she didn't say consider She basically said, should be suing

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Speaker 1: these counties that are standing in their way?

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Speaker 2: What have you?

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Speaker 1: What have you heard? The fallout has been a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that listen to this program not happy about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was very strident, even stronger than I think

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Speaker 2: anyone expected, and I kind of wonder if she was

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Speaker 2: told to tone it down after that. Now, the suing

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Speaker 2: comment does need to be clear. She's talking about specific

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Speaker 2: instances in which companies in her in her mind, are

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Speaker 2: of thing happening. Now you just have a moratorium, and

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Speaker 2: you're clear that there's a moratorium. Obviously there's no lawsuit

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Speaker 2: for that. But yeah, I mean, she thinks these local

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Speaker 2: communities are standing in the way of progress, whether that

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Speaker 2: be winded solar or data centers or anything else that

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Speaker 1: It seems like it comes off very out of touch

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Speaker 1: think a lot of the concern is genuine from people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that's what I've been hearing for

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Speaker 2: I've heard similar, though more nuanced responses from other state officials.

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Speaker 2: You know, they are frustrated because and mayors are frustrated

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Speaker 2: because you know, if you want all the things you

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Speaker 2: you know, it's the whole like you either grow or

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Speaker 2: we don't want that, We don't want that, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's everything. We don't want the lah lah, we don't

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Speaker 2: want the day Data center, we don't want the solar farm.

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Speaker 2: We don't you know, is really causing a concern. If

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Speaker 2: they can't grow their community, they can't grow their tax base. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's no way to grow, period. And so

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Speaker 2: I think she was not as artful as some I've

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Speaker 2: heard in the past, but I definitely picked up on

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Speaker 2: that frustration from leaders in the states.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any idea, because we we had James

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Speaker 1: Briggs and Jacob Stewart from The Indie Star and they

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Speaker 1: had a fabulous back and forth on the Google Data

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Speaker 1: Center proposed in Franklin Township the other day. Do you

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Speaker 1: have any idea what the actual like? I feel like

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Speaker 1: the government does a horrible job explaining what the benefit

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Speaker 1: of having these developments here are. Do you understand them?

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Speaker 1: I mean, other than the building itself and the property

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Speaker 1: see much because there's no jobs associated with it. They

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Speaker 1: have the Has the government explained it to you on

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Speaker 1: what what the benefit is other than the property tax

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Speaker 1: the building will pay.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they definitely need to be better about explaining that.

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Speaker 2: I do know that some people in the broad administration

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Speaker 2: and pay for improvements to our electric grid by like

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Speaker 2: basically putting that on, you know, a new business customer.

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Speaker 2: So they're trying to kind of ring what they can

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Speaker 2: pay for all the upgrades that we would in their minds,

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Speaker 2: we're already going to need. So if we're already going

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Speaker 2: increase energy capacity and generation, then why don't we let

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Speaker 2: these big corporate people pay for it.

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Speaker 1: They got to do a better job of articulating what

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Speaker 1: the benefits are because I think most people are in

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Speaker 1: the camp that I'm in it sounds like you're in

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Speaker 1: as well, that they just don't they don't spell it out,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I think a lot of people recoil

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're not. They're not packaging it well at all. All.

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Speaker 1: Right, before we let you go speed to the governor,

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Speaker 1: you guys had again another big expose on this that

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Speaker 1: he he basically came out and made it sound like

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Speaker 1: at least that they are heading towards a special session

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Speaker 1: in November. Do you think that's going to happen? Do

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Speaker 1: you think they have the votes?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I know that right now they don't

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Speaker 2: have the votes, but I know that they have more

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Speaker 3: It's an event. Like when he said it's an inevitability,

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Speaker 3: that was his phrasing, I think that's what he means.

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Speaker 3: They are just slowly working on lawmakers to get them

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Speaker 1: It seems very rigged to me, because if you did

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Speaker 1: that in November. That would only give someone basically two

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Speaker 1: a campaign together, and that would seem to dramatically limit

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Speaker 1: the pool of people who could participate in the new

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Speaker 2: Well, I imagine if you want to run for Congress, you've

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Speaker 2: already decided that now, and I probably are seeing your

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Speaker 2: campaign together now, I'm not sure since they're going to

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Speaker 2: and since in Congress you don't have to live in

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Speaker 2: your district. I mean, it's generally quote frowned upon but

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Speaker 2: not illegal. But now that you could say, well, sorry,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know where my district was, so this was

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Speaker 2: I put my plan together, and I'm sticking with my

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Speaker 2: plan kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've made a whole living broadcasting on things that

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Speaker 1: are generally frowned upon but not illegal, So I guess

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Speaker 1: I can appreciate that, all right. One of the best

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Speaker 1: at Indiana Capitol Chronicle dot com. Nikki Kelly, thank you,

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