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Speaker 2: It's Fish, EJ and Omar both fireside Becker near side

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Speaker 2: Mendoza in the backfield, back to throw, pressure comes again,

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Speaker 3: Is it a touchdown?

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Speaker 2: Touchdownlivable holler two pair with the crown and he put

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Speaker 2: the Hoosiers, Don Fisher joining Query and Company on Nutty

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Speaker 2: three five and one oh seven five the fan.

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Speaker 3: That's how it.

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Speaker 4: Sounded in Happy Valley on Saturday, Indiana over Penn State.

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Speaker 4: The Hoosiers are now ten and zero, unblemished on the year.

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Speaker 4: And Don Fisher who joins us after that fabulous call.

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Speaker 4: By the way, and Don listen, I'll give you a

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Speaker 4: ton of credit on that because I mean, for the

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Speaker 4: obvious reason it's an exciting and outstanding call, but to

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Speaker 4: was thinking, like, wait a minute, is he in or not?

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Speaker 4: And then you see the replay and the official gets

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Speaker 4: a ton of credit as well. It was a home

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Speaker 4: run on all accounts on that play. But to be

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Speaker 4: able to wait for just a second because I watch

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Speaker 4: it now, Don and I still think to myself, did

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Speaker 4: he really make that catch? That's an unbelievable play.

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Speaker 5: Drive when you think about all the things that happened

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Speaker 5: minute and fifty one seconds left in the ballgame, but

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Speaker 5: it started, and it went ten plays and they still

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Speaker 5: It's remarkable how efficient this football team became in what

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Speaker 5: would be considered a two minute drill at the end

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Speaker 5: of a ball game. And you've got to give tremendous

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Speaker 5: credit to Fernando Mendoza, who was just hammered all day

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Speaker 5: long and pressured all day long and made every throw

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Speaker 5: in the end that performance that was just spectacular.

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Speaker 4: I also thought, Don, and this is the sign of

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Speaker 4: a great team or a well coached, well balanced team,

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Speaker 4: you know when we know. And Elijah Surratt has been

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Speaker 4: a fabulous player for Indiana, and he's out due to injury,

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Speaker 4: and Charlie Becker comes in and basically matches his season

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Speaker 4: total in terms of receptions. But he made big catch

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Speaker 4: after big catch, and I thought he was obviously outstanding

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Speaker 4: as well. And I hate to say this is a

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Speaker 4: disrespect him say, were you surprised by that? But how

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Speaker 4: much do you tip your cap to Charlie Becker also

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Speaker 4: rising to the occasion.

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Speaker 5: Well, I watched him in practices the last two years now,

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Speaker 5: which obviously he's done. And he's had just a couple

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Speaker 5: of opportunities this year leading up to this ballgame until

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Speaker 5: last week when he did play in replace of Elijah,

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Speaker 5: when he had a slight injury to his lower leg

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Speaker 5: and they didn't want to they were being very cautious

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Speaker 5: is completely healthy when he does come back. But Charlie

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Speaker 5: stepped in and both those ball games made some catches,

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Speaker 5: nice catches last week and this week just spectacular one

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Speaker 5: hundred and eighteen yards on seven receptions, didn't drop a ball,

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Speaker 5: just he played just extraordinarily well. And his talent level

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Speaker 5: is I mean, he's one of the two or three

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Speaker 5: fastest guys on this Indiana football team. He's sick four,

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Speaker 5: he's long and so he's got sized that helps him

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Speaker 5: and along with his speed, he's going to be spectacular

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Speaker 4: Charlie Becker, who is a sophomore by the way out

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Speaker 4: of Nashville, Tennessee, stepping up for Indiana in that game.

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Speaker 4: Don you mentioned in the fact that you know that

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Speaker 4: first play of the drive when he got sacked and

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Speaker 4: he didn't just get sacked, I mean he got You know,

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Speaker 4: Penn State was aggressive, right, and you think, oh boy,

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Speaker 4: here we go. In terms of Penn State getting to Mendoza.

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Speaker 4: I know that the offensive line that there, you know

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Speaker 4: But was there anything differently that is being done in

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Speaker 5: Well, it's probably a little bit of a combination. Drew

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Speaker 5: end of the season too. This one I don't think

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Speaker 5: which I think Indiana will have. But we'll see. You

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Speaker 5: don't want to get carried away. And I know that

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Speaker 5: sounds like coach speaking stuff like that, but I've got

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Speaker 5: around Indianda football for a long time and I don't

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Speaker 5: get ahead of myself, if you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: That being said, I do think the offensive line was

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Speaker 5: State they have really good players and this is a

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Speaker 5: good football team. They just ran into a buzzsaw, well

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Speaker 5: not a buzzsaw, but they ran into all kinds of

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Speaker 5: in which they lost. Their coach gets fired. This team

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Speaker 5: was playing for something on Saturday. Because Indiana goes in,

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Speaker 5: there's the number two ranked team. They hadn't played a

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Speaker 5: home game in three weeks, Penn State, I'm talking about now,

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Speaker 5: and they go in, there's the number two ranked team

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Speaker 5: if they beat Indiana and they didn't. Now they still

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Speaker 5: have enough tools to go in and the next three games.

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Speaker 5: Win those games, because I think they're capable of beating

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Speaker 5: But this team, this was their Rose Bowl, this was

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Speaker 5: their bowl game, it was their college football playoff game,

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Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it. This was the game

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Speaker 5: They put pressure on Fernando Mendoza the entire ballgame. He

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Speaker 5: did what he had to do. But that offensive line,

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Speaker 5: I guarantee you that's the one area that I know

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Speaker 5: Kurt Signetti's going to look at very closely after the

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Speaker 4: Up next for Indiana is Wisconsin. Then it's the bucket

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Speaker 4: played between now and then. Don I'm curious of this.

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Speaker 4: I saw so much discussion of this in a fun way.

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Speaker 4: You know, my friends that went to Indiana and fans

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Speaker 4: I really think that like Upstairs Pub and Nix and

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Speaker 4: to put it on the wall in the establishments in Bloomington, right.

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Speaker 4: And in terms of plays basketball, there are a ga

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Speaker 4: the time that you have done it, don what other

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Speaker 3: Is that one that you saw?

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Speaker 5: Well? I you know, there have been a lot of

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Speaker 5: great plays, individual plays and things like that in ball

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Speaker 5: The question is when did they happen and were they

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Speaker 5: And that was certainly that. And I can't remember. You know,

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Speaker 5: I know you have a better memory than I always

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Speaker 5: fact of the matter is I can't think of anything

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was.

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Speaker 4: And again, all aspects of it, the throw, the moxie,

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Speaker 4: radio call, all of it. Right, it was a pretty

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Speaker 4: awesome moment for certain Let's get to basketball real quick

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Speaker 4: super impressive what Indiana was able to do by getting

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Speaker 4: But what I like about this team, and I watched

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Speaker 5: Well, obviously the shooting jumped out because they had twenty

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Speaker 5: the last time Indiana did that with twenty eight three

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Speaker 5: haven't had that kind of performance before. But Tucker de

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Speaker 5: Breeze had twenty four points in the first half, just

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Speaker 5: He had one three pointer in the first half, he

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Speaker 4: Don I know that making a comparison between Indiana and

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Speaker 4: Fox fifty nine, Mike Chapel and chap let's begin with that.

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Speaker 4: I don't mean to be pessimistic because it was a

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Speaker 6: Well, twelve sacks in two games, and yeah, if they

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Speaker 4: But this.

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Speaker 6: You can't keep doing this. And again after the Pittsburgh game,

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Speaker 6: So they've got to get the offensive line, they've got

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Speaker 6: So it's on them over these next five or six days.

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Speaker 6: Say yes, they get some time off to recoup, but

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Speaker 3: Mike Chapel is our guest.

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Speaker 4: He's on the Java house peeling poor guest, Line chap

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Speaker 6: Pretty good considering practice what three times or whatever? Uh

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Speaker 6: his sleep. Although maybe that's why he's got three interceptions

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Speaker 6: in his career, is he doesn't always corral the play.

436
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Speaker 6: I thought he played well, I really did, and they

437
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 6: put him on London near the end. I thought they

438
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 6: might put him on Great London more and they didn't.

439
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 6: He was like selective. But at the end of the

440
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 6: game when they had to get a stop, they did,

441
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Speaker 6: so I I you know, the expectation is going to

442
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Speaker 6: be over a moon on what on what people are thinking.

443
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Speaker 6: But I thought, I thought it was a good first game.

444
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Speaker 6: And then hopefully, hopefully they get Moodey Ward back for.

445
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Speaker 7: K C.

446
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Speaker 6: And then you you've I thought the defense played pretty well.

447
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 6: Give up that touchdown at the end that was was concerning,

448
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 6: but that they made to stop in overtime. So here

449
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 6: Franklin made two great plays, two great plays, including the

450
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Speaker 6: sack uh to give the Colts a chance to close

451
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Speaker 6: it out. But to have two corners where you can

452
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Speaker 6: take away the outside and then you can focus Jalen

453
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Speaker 6: Jones or Kenny Moore on the inside of the tight

454
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Speaker 6: end or whatever that's really that that rodes well. Now,

455
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Speaker 6: I'll tell you losing to Forest Buckner it's huge, It's

456
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Speaker 6: absolutely huge, and there's no there's no guarantee he comes

457
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Speaker 6: back this season. There's not. With a neck injury. We've seen,

458
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Speaker 6: you know, we've seen I always default to bad things

459
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Speaker 6: on neck injuries or back injuries. So for the next

460
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Speaker 6: three games there without him, and there's no there's not

461
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Speaker 6: even remotely guarantee that he comes back this year. And

462
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Speaker 6: it's hard for me to say who's more important to

463
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Speaker 6: Force Buckner or Sauce Gardner, which is crazy to.

464
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Speaker 3: Say, though, right, that's that's that's where I'm going.

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Speaker 6: I just it's so hard for them to play without

466
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Speaker 6: him because the drop off from him correct to the

467
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 6: next guys is so great to where now I'm not

468
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Speaker 6: saying the drop off from Sauce Garter to blackmun or

469
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Speaker 6: whomever at corner is not huge. It is, but we've

470
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Speaker 6: seen how they really struggle to play defense without Buckner,

471
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Speaker 6: and uh, but they're gonna be without him, and if

472
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Speaker 6: I'm the Colts, I'm saying, you know, he won't be back.

473
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Speaker 6: We got to go on without him, and if he

474
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Speaker 6: comes back, good for us. So that that's that's something

475
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Speaker 6: we got to watch going forward because he's not going

476
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Speaker 6: to be here for the next three games.

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Speaker 4: Chap, do you think is lou Anarumo with Sauce Garard

478
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Speaker 4: And it's it's very early to know this, but from

479
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Speaker 4: what you could tell, in particular in the second half

480
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Speaker 4: of that game with no deforce Buckner there. But when

481
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 4: you have Sauce Gardner lined up, is that allowing them

482
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Speaker 4: to line up differently and play defensively with a little

483
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Speaker 4: bit different setter formation.

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Speaker 6: I think it's allowing to press a little bit more.

485
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Speaker 6: It's probably allowing them to blitz a little bit more.

486
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Speaker 6: That they blitched Nit Cross some desire Franklin on some

487
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 6: blitz and so yeah, whenever, whenever you got better players,

488
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Speaker 6: it gives you a chance to do things. And like

489
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Speaker 6: I say, that's that they can get Mooney ward back.

490
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Speaker 6: It just gives you that much more. And all I

491
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Speaker 6: can think, which is it's not about lou But it's

492
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Speaker 6: like Gus Bradley saying, hey, where were these guys the

493
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Speaker 6: last several years when when we were deficient at positions.

494
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Speaker 6: So they're they're getting they're getting healthy, except for buck

495
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Speaker 6: and I say we I think Mooney Ward was out

496
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Speaker 6: there with trainers on whatever was Thursday last week, which

497
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 6: is a good sign. And I you know, hopefully he's

498
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 6: out there next Wednesday when they come to practice. If not,

499
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Speaker 6: then then then their serious concern on him returning. So uh,

500
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Speaker 6: I would always prefer to have an edge pass rusher.

501
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 6: I still would like better play from the defensive front,

502
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Speaker 6: although without Buck it's gonna be tough. But to have

503
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 6: to have the quality they've gotten in the back end

504
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 6: is really uh encouraging. And with the teams they've got

505
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 6: coming up with Kansas City, they've got a bunch of

506
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 6: receivers and Houston, maybe Nico Collins won't go off on them.

507
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Speaker 6: So the defense should should be getting better if they

508
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 6: can find a way to compensate for not having their

509
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Speaker 6: best defensive player.

510
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Speaker 4: Mike Chapel is our guest Java House, Peel and Pork

511
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 4: guest line CBS four, w x A and Fox fifty nine,

512
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 4: who he represents. Chap with Shane Steichen, and I've seen

513
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Speaker 4: a lot of not criticism per se, but eyebrow rays

514
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: of Shane Steichen and the way that he's calling games

515
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 4: now and in particular inside of the red zone and

516
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: they've had some issues in the red zone. Where do

517
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 4: you assess the way that they're calling offensive plays for

518
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Speaker 4: the Colts?

519
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 6: Confidence confidence? Does that go to arrogance? I don't know.

520
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 6: But he's extremely confident one in in his ability to

521
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 6: call play as he is and he's extremely confident in

522
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 6: his players, and a lot of times that's a really

523
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 6: good formula, and sometimes it gets you in trouble. I

524
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 6: thought they should have kicked the field goal in one

525
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 6: of those you know situations on pot Dan when you

526
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 6: when you don't kick field goals, you're chasing points and

527
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Speaker 6: that can be a problem. No, it's just that that's

528
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Speaker 6: that's who he is and it's great when it works,

529
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Speaker 6: and when it doesn't work, you know, why did you

530
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 6: do that type of thing? But they had they had

531
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Speaker 6: a big strong run of red zones, like ten or

532
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Speaker 6: twelve in a row. Touchdowns. Again, people need to understand

533
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 6: that red zone efficiency is not scoring, it's touchdowns.

534
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Speaker 5: Uh.

535
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Speaker 6: And when you don't you're you're leaving four points on

536
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Speaker 6: the field, and if you go for it and don't

537
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 6: make it, you're leaving some that's seven points. And then

538
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 6: when you have your kick or miss a field goal.

539
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 6: I realized it was a fifty three yarder. But I

540
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 6: tell you, I'm watching these games, you know whenever I can,

541
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Speaker 6: and I see guys miss fifty yard field goals occasionally,

542
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 6: seldom are they short. Normally they're you know, Mike Vanderjack

543
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 6: like where they go into the right to the right

544
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 6: side of the stadium and then you can't miss extra points. Gosh,

545
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 6: you just you just can't miss extra points. So is

546
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Speaker 6: that a concern, Well, you're thinking so, and then he

547
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 6: knocks down a forty forty yard or when you absolutely

548
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 6: have to have it, so uh so, yeah, I we'll see.

549
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Speaker 6: I just think it's it's it's a supreme confidence in

550
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 6: himself and Jim Bob and the offensive staff, and supreme

551
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Speaker 6: confidence in his players.

552
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Speaker 7: And why not.

553
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Speaker 6: I mean Tyler Warren. I've been waiting for him to

554
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 6: go off. You know, he said some really nice five

555
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 6: catches sixty yards, seventy yards, he goes for ninety nine

556
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 6: and the deep, the deep corner route was on that

557
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 6: last drive was a great catch. I'll tell you the

558
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 6: fourth and two on that drive where he's he's kind

559
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 6: of hit short of the sticks and carries the dB

560
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 6: your brakes faces of the dB was huge, So I

561
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 6: understand the confidence slash arrogance that they have, and most

562
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Speaker 6: of the time I think it works, and when it doesn't,

563
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 6: people scratch their hands. But again, if he don't do

564
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 6: things one hundred percent right, people are going to bitch

565
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 6: and mote and this league is never going to be

566
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Speaker 6: about one hundred. I don't know what going to be

567
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 6: banning average guys. Keep in mind, in baseball you hit

568
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Speaker 6: two eighty and you have hell of a year, you

569
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 6: might make the Hall of Fame. NFL you go twenty

570
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 6: eight percent and your Brian Daboll and you're you're employed.

571
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Speaker 3: Chap, did you feel like and Tyler Warren? I agree?

572
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Speaker 4: First off, the catch that he had late, it was

573
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Speaker 4: kind of an over the shoulder catch and it was

574
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 4: a beautifully thrown ball from Daniel Jones. Jones put it

575
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Speaker 4: right where it needed to be. But I want to

576
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 4: get back to Daniel Jones, what is your level of

577
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 4: concern or should we be concerned? It's one thing to say, yes,

578
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: he is not being protected the way he was through

579
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Speaker 4: the first you know, probably seven games, certainly, but football

580
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Speaker 4: protection has what that's what's been the bugaboo of Daniel

581
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 4: Jones over the course of his career or lack thereof,

582
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Speaker 4: and that seemingly was put to rest, and now all

583
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Speaker 4: of a sudden, that's starting to pop up a little bit.

584
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Speaker 4: And one of the things that I always go back

585
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Speaker 4: to Chap I always say, when you look at teams

586
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Speaker 4: that don't win the Super Bowl and you look at

587
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: where their season ended and win, it is oftentimes a

588
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 4: microcosm of the little things that they managed to avoid

589
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 4: over the course of the year but started to present

590
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Speaker 4: themselves as a potential negative forecast. And I'm worried about

591
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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones in terms of that football protection and whether

592
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Speaker 4: or not we are actually now seeing the real doctor

593
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Speaker 4: Jekyl and we were fooled by mister Hyde.

594
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Speaker 3: Tell me I'm wrong, Well I can't, I can't.

595
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Speaker 6: You know again, seven turnovers in two games is you

596
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 6: can't do that. And you see guys get sack all

597
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 6: the time, but they're not losing the ball. So that's

598
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 6: where it's got to be a little bit more. He's

599
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 6: gonna be a little bit more aware of pressure around

600
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Speaker 6: him in ball security. You know, he only what he

601
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 6: threw the ball? Was it twenty one times yesterday? Of course,

602
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 6: the sort of limit that, but you can you just

603
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 6: can't be getting giving up strip sacks. You can't do it.

604
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 6: You know your pressure is gonna get your line is

605
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 6: gonna give up pressure and sacks, but you can't compound

606
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 6: it with fumbles.

607
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 5: Can't do it. That.

608
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 6: Yes, that's a concern, and that's going to be when

609
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Speaker 6: people I still see where people saying that Battler gave

610
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 6: up too much for Sauce Gardner, two first round picks

611
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Speaker 6: and all of this. And I'm in the camp that

612
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Speaker 6: believes what that we may have talked about last week,

613
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Speaker 6: but what that tells me is that they believe Daniel

614
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Speaker 6: Jones is their quarterback of the future. Because if you've

615
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Speaker 6: given away any realistic chance of finding one in the draft,

616
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Speaker 6: although the draft that you sent away should be very

617
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Speaker 6: low draft picks, but I don't know how you move

618
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Speaker 6: forward at quarterback if it's not Daniel Jones with all

619
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Speaker 6: that you've done, and if he regresses to wear it

620
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 6: does resemble the Giants to wear. He's starting to turn

621
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Speaker 6: the ball over a couple of times a game and

622
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Speaker 6: all that. Remember for the first eight games, they had

623
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Speaker 6: no turnovers in six six games. And with this offense,

624
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 6: they're gonna win when they do, it's kind of like

625
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 6: the Peyton Manning years, not quite at that level. When Peyton,

626
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Speaker 6: those guys didn't turn the ball over, they were almost

627
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Speaker 6: impossible to beat because they're gonna put up thirty points

628
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 6: because they were that good. And these guys aren't quite

629
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Speaker 6: that good. But if they don't turn the ball over

630
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 6: there they're gonna score thirty thirty five points just because

631
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Speaker 6: they're that good. So yeah, I again, I was thinking

632
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Speaker 6: that it was a one off with the six turnovers

633
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Speaker 6: and five sacks, but this is two weeks in a row.

634
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Speaker 6: And the only way you can say that's not true

635
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Speaker 6: is well, then how do you come back next game

636
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 6: and the next game? And the schedules we've noticed is

637
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 6: it gets tougher. Houston, I still don't know how they

638
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 6: won the game. Well they you know, they played Jacksonville

639
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 6: and Jacksonville Jacksonville it. But Houston's got maybe the best

640
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 6: defense in the league. You got them twice. You've got Seattle,

641
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 6: who might be the best team in the league right now.

642
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 5: And Frisco.

643
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Speaker 6: I'm not sold on Frisco being that level. But the

644
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 6: schedule's tougher. It just is, and you can't expect to

645
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 6: have seven sacks and two turnovers and a couple of

646
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Speaker 6: miskicks and think you're gonna win an overtime. It just

647
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 6: doesn't happen often. So, like I said, the original thing

648
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Speaker 6: is they've got their work cut out for them coaching

649
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Speaker 6: wise over the next few days and then in the

650
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Speaker 6: next week, because you can't keep doing this and expect

651
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Speaker 6: to do what they've shown they can do when they

652
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Speaker 6: don't turn them all over and get their quarterback beat up.

653
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Speaker 4: Tap one other thing before we let you go. Mike Chapel,

654
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Speaker 4: our guest Joba House peeling for a guest line. I

655
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Speaker 4: don't know that we've had a chance to talk to

656
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Speaker 4: you since the trade with Sauce Gardner. I'm curious your

657
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Speaker 4: thought on this as somebody who's been around this a

658
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 4: long time in New Jim Mersey, Well, do you believe

659
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Speaker 4: that Chris Ballard making that move or Chris Ballard in

660
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 4: some of the things that we've seen with a new

661
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Speaker 4: owner and a new the buckstops here individual and Carli

662
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Speaker 4: Ersa Gordon, do you think this is an example of

663
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Speaker 4: the general manager getting the green light from the owner

664
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Speaker 4: of Let's go, Let's push in. If you believe this

665
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Speaker 4: is what we need to do, or I want you

666
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Speaker 4: to do this because I think we can win now.

667
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 4: Or is it more so the case of a general

668
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Speaker 4: manager now having complete autonomy and flexibility to do as

669
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Speaker 4: he chooses without the owner intervening.

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Speaker 6: Well, Option one Carli ersa and I know the description

671
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Speaker 6: comes off bad. She's a hands on owner.

672
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Speaker 7: She is.

673
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Speaker 6: I saw a note from Albert brew or somebody where

674
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Speaker 6: they had just discussion and it was like, you know,

675
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Speaker 6: do you want it was Carly to Chris Baller where

676
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 6: she said, do you want to fix this with a

677
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Speaker 6: band aid or you want to fix it long term,

678
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 6: which is her way of saying, if you're going to

679
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 6: fix it long term, make the trade. She could have

680
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 6: She certainly could have nixed's trade. She's the owner of

681
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Speaker 6: her crying out loud. So this is a reflection that

682
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Speaker 6: they're that they're working together and probably on the same page.

683
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Speaker 7: Uh.

684
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Speaker 6: And it sounded like, you know, Chris Balard really wanted

685
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Speaker 6: to do this, and then she sort of said, then't

686
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Speaker 6: do it. Do it, damn it, this is what we

687
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 6: need to do. And somebody asked me if they thought

688
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 6: Jim Mercy would have greenlighted this, and the Jimmers said

689
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Speaker 6: the last year and a half, I don't know. I

690
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 6: don't know. But did Jimmers say that was in full

691
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 6: command physically and all of that. I think he would

692
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Speaker 6: have because he wanted to win as bad as anybody,

693
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 6: in almost to a fault, he did things to do that.

694
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Speaker 6: But I think this showed how Chris Ballard and Carli

695
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Speaker 6: Ursay are in lockstep. And there isn't a chance in

696
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 6: hell that Chris Ballard strong her into this trade none. Uh,

697
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Speaker 6: you know, we know her, her her involvement here. We

698
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Speaker 6: know how she has learned on the job, and she's

699
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Speaker 6: learned from her dad, and she's she if she wanted

700
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Speaker 6: to step up and say no, there would be no

701
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Speaker 6: sauce Gardener, there wouldn't be. But I think this just

702
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 6: shows how her and Chris are are are are on

703
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Speaker 6: the same level and in agreement, and I would think

704
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 6: that would make the fan base comfortable knowing whether you

705
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Speaker 6: whether you like Chris Ballard and and how things have

706
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Speaker 6: gone and all of that. That's that's another argument. But

707
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 6: what they're doing now is trying to win now. Yes now,

708
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 6: but they didn't. They didn't mortgage the future. You know,

709
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 6: it's it's it's this isn't now her bust because a

710
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 6: lot a lot of these players are young. Gardner's twenty five.

711
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Speaker 6: Now you've got to come back from not having first

712
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Speaker 6: round draft pics, but they would have been twenty seven anyway,

713
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Speaker 6: So I think they're both going together.

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Speaker 3: Mike Chapel, You all right there, chap Yeah, I guess

715
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Speaker 3: I want to.

716
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Speaker 6: Make sure the wrong way we're good.

717
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're yeah, I know how that is right?

718
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Speaker 4: All right, Mike, Appreciate it as always, and look forward

719
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Speaker 4: to talking to you. Actually next week I'm off, but

720
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Speaker 4: you know, with the Colts on a buye, but I

721
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 4: know that obviously we'll be talking to you. But certainly

722
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 4: appreciate the time as always, all right, enjoying be well, guys,

723
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Speaker 4: All right, appreciate it. Mike Chapel joining us on the

724
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Speaker 4: Java House peeling poor guest line. He talked about the

725
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Speaker 4: offensive line and what might be different about this line.

726
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 4: I think right now, if you had to pick one

727
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Speaker 4: thing that you want to get and make sure in

728
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 4: the bye week is taken care of, it's the O

729
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Speaker 4: line for the Colts, the way they're playing. And I

730
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Speaker 4: reached out to somebody yesterday and said, look, you played

731
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Speaker 4: in it. You've played in the Super Bowl, you won

732
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: Super Bowls, you played for the Colts, you were on

733
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Speaker 4: the line, and you break down film to this day.

734
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Speaker 4: Can you join me on the show? And Trey Askis

735
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 4: said absolutely, so he'll do it.

736
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Speaker 1: Next Query in Company on ninety three five and one

737
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Speaker 1: oh seven five the Fan.

738
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Speaker 4: You just heard Matt Taylor there, Joe writes as well.

739
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 4: Colt yesterday winners in Berlin knocking off the Atlanta Falcons.

740
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Speaker 4: And there are some areas of concern that I want

741
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Speaker 4: to get to Trey Essek's going to join us here,

742
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 4: but first if you could please Kurt the breaking new sounder.

743
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Speaker 4: There's a new number one in college basketball and the

744
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Speaker 4: Ape Pole. It is the Houston Cougars, and Purdue, despite

745
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 4: having more votes for number one, is now second ranked

746
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Speaker 4: in the country after their win that maybe some thought

747
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Speaker 4: was closer than it should have been over Oakland over

748
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Speaker 4: the weekend. Speaking of dropping from number one to number two,

749
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Speaker 4: Indiana now is the second losing his program in college

750
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Speaker 4: football history. That's because by way of their win against

751
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 4: Penn State and Northwestern losing over the weekend, Northwestern now

752
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 4: has lost more games in college Football Division One than

753
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Speaker 4: anyone in history. Indiana and Northwestern have jostled that dubious

754
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: title back and forth, and joining us now a guy

755
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: that I'm sure thrilled to be back at number one.

756
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 4: Trey Essex, the former Northwestern Wildcat, joins us on the

757
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Speaker 4: JAVA House feeling poor guest line, and I would assume

758
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Speaker 4: Trey now assuring that this is your only visit to

759
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: the program after I pointed that out.

760
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Speaker 3: Correct, that's a way to introduce me.

761
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl, super Bowl champion and Northwestern and Fort Wayne product,

762
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Speaker 4: Trey Essex?

763
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 3: Is that better?

764
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Speaker 5: Much much better?

765
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Speaker 7: I appreciate Okay, Hey, I.

766
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Speaker 3: Want to get to this first and foremost, and I

767
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: appreciate your time.

768
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Speaker 4: You know, I messaged you because I'm fascinated by the

769
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Speaker 4: offensive line of the Colts and the fact that right

770
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Speaker 4: at the time when I started talking about how they

771
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 4: were playing as well as I think any offensive line

772
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Speaker 4: unit in the NFL.

773
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Speaker 3: You know, you're alma mater Pittsburgh.

774
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Speaker 4: I think I'm not going to say exposed them, but

775
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: they obviously got after Daniel Jones and it seems like

776
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 4: there might be some regression there.

777
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Speaker 3: You've had a chance to look at it. What have

778
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 3: you noticed about that Colts O line.

779
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Speaker 7: I don't know if it's necessarily the Coats O line

780
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 7: that's struggling at Granted, like you said, I think the

781
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 7: Coats still have one of the better offensive lines in

782
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 7: the NFL, but the last couple of weeks they've given

783
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 7: up some sacks, some pressures that they weren't giving up

784
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 7: prior to and so they're still running the ball great

785
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 7: outside of the game the guy they had against Pittsburgh,

786
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 7: but I mean he had a record breaking day yesterday,

787
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 7: so the O line was obviously doing something right. But

788
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 7: as far as pass protection, they struggle, and I think

789
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 7: it might just be a case of teams catching up

790
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 7: to what Daniel Jones looks like in that shamee stiking offense,

791
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 7: and so he has to hold the ball a beat

792
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 7: or two longer, and that's allowing the pressure to get

793
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Speaker 7: to him.

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00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 4: You know, so much of sports tray can be mental,

795
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 4: and I don't know, you know, if you're a receiver,

796
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 4: I don't know that that it gets mental. And if

797
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 4: you are a linebacker, I don't know if it gets mental.

798
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 4: But the offensive line seemingly, because you are involved directly

799
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 4: on every single play, I am curious if you get

800
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 4: beat a player or two, or a game all game long.

801
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 4: Does it carry over? Is there a hangover? And is

802
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 4: there a danger in starting to overthink your movement?

803
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 5: There is.

804
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Speaker 7: Some mental components there. The online is unique in the

805
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 7: since it is the only position group where five guys

806
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 7: have to work in unison together every single play, and

807
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 7: with that comes a lot of pressure because if you

808
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 7: mess up one, you're letting down You got to tell

809
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 7: you're left, you're letting down your guys to the right,

810
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 7: And a lot of times the play doesn't even get started,

811
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 7: and so that does carry over. And it also doesn't

812
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 7: help that when we do give up a sack or two,

813
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 7: it might be one or two plays. You might have

814
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 7: played great the entire game, one or two plays, and

815
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 7: the common fan will say that guy is horrible. That's

816
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 7: a horrible office line. He gave up best stack and

817
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 7: that messes up your who day and that gets to

818
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 7: you as the offensive line, and the pressure and the

819
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 7: expectations are higher at that position. I think that any

820
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 7: other because we don't get any of the praise necessarily,

821
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 7: but we definitely get most of the criticism.

822
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Speaker 4: Trey Essex is my guest, Java House Peel and poor

823
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 4: guest line. He was with the Steelers, won two Super

824
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 4: Bowl Z five to eleven, then with the Colts in

825
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 4: twenty twelve and the pride of Fort Wayne Harding Trey.

826
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Speaker 4: When you look at the line, you know, Quentin Nelson

827
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 4: obviously is an elite player, and I think that they've

828
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 4: had you know, Bordelini's played really good or played really well,

829
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 4: I should say at the center position. But when you

830
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: look at the Colts offensive line, if you're able to

831
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 4: assess it, I'm not going to say which one is

832
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 4: the weak length per se, but where are they the

833
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 4: most vulnerable or what's the area that seems to at

834
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 4: times have a leak more than any other.

835
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Speaker 7: It seems that the right tackle spot. I was a

836
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 7: big fan of the second round there.

837
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Speaker 5: Out of when he come from Alburn, I think correct.

838
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 7: Big pan of He's been there for a long time.

839
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Speaker 7: He's kind of been quired and going about his business

840
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 7: and has been very solid entire career. I think he

841
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 7: is struggling with some in the pass protection this year.

842
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 7: I think the coaches found a gym and what's the

843
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 7: right guard's name is? Don Clays.

844
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Speaker 3: Gonzalez Gonzalveez is how it's pronounced yes.

845
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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah.

846
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Speaker 7: I think they found something in him. He's a big

847
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 7: guy at six secres so University of Pittsburgh guy, and

848
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 7: I think they found something in him. But if there

849
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 7: was some question and some weeks it's the pass protection

850
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 7: of breaking ship, I think he's gonna a little exposed

851
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 7: over here.

852
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 4: And with that past protection. Daniel Jones, you know, Jones

853
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 4: is fascinating because Trey we knew the narrative about Daniel

854
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: Jones coming from New York who, by the way, fired

855
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: their head coach today and Brian Brian Abele. But the Giants,

856
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 4: if you were to talk to Giants fans with Daniel Jones,

857
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: they would say, all right, Indy, good luck with the

858
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 4: turnover machine.

859
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: And yet he has not.

860
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 4: That has not been an issue until Pittsburgh and then

861
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 4: yesterday in terms of the danger of him and the turnovers.

862
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: How much of that, when you look at it is defense,

863
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: is giving him different looks or aggression, and how much

864
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 4: of that is just like a confidence or repetition of movement.

865
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 7: With Daniel Jones, it's definitely defenses given him different looks.

866
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 7: This Saint Styking offense early on, especially with the way

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Speaker 7: Johnson Taylor has been playing and all the attention that

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Speaker 7: he commands, it's been I'm not gonna say easy, but

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Speaker 7: Daniel Jones hasn't had to do a lot. He hasn't

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Speaker 7: had to really go through his progression because Shane Styken

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Speaker 7: is really good a scheming guys open. When guys are

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Speaker 7: catching passes, there's usually there's usually wide open. When Tyler

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Speaker 7: Warren is running out the field, he's usually white. Overen

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Speaker 7: Alex Tears that deep threat machine. He's getting guys open.

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Speaker 7: And what Pittsburgh did a great job of is stopping

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Speaker 7: Johnson Taylor and then making that coach offense one dimensional

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Speaker 7: and making Daniel Jones hold onto the ball and go

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Speaker 7: through its progression. And you saw when he has to

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Speaker 7: do that, he struggles. He struggles, and so there is

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Speaker 7: a concern with the coach moving forward because you saw

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Speaker 7: in the game versus Atlanta, that game went back and forth.

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Speaker 7: They took the ball out of Daniel Jones' hands, and

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Speaker 7: that was the recipe for their success. They gave the

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Speaker 7: ball to Jonathan Taylor, to the team of two hundred

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Speaker 7: million yards, and so they were able to do that

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Speaker 7: and effectively take the ball and eliminate the mistakes that

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Speaker 7: Daniel Jones was making because he was turning the ball over,

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Speaker 7: he was not seeing the field right, and I think

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Speaker 7: that's a big concern of them moving forward.

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Speaker 4: Trey, I wanted to touch on something real quick before

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Speaker 4: we let you go that you and I've discussed before.

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Speaker 4: Trey Essex is my guest Java house apeeling for guests

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Speaker 4: line you and I've done, you know, a fair amount

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Speaker 4: of radio and pregames and things like that in seasons past.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things that I asked you, and

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Speaker 4: at the time I was almost embarrassed to ask it

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Speaker 4: because it seems so elementary, but the answer to me

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Speaker 4: was fascinating, and that is we hear about run protection

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Speaker 4: and we hear about pass protection, and as an offensive lineman,

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Speaker 4: your job is to do both. Now, on run protection,

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Speaker 4: you never go upright, I mean, you're just moving forward

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Speaker 4: immediately upon snap. Pass protection is different. Why is why

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Speaker 4: is there a difference in the way that you have

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Speaker 4: to maneuver your body from one to the other, and

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Speaker 4: which is more challenging.

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Speaker 7: Uh, As the offensive lineman, and I think most would

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Speaker 7: agree with me, We like run blocking just simply because

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Speaker 7: we're going forward and with pass protection, you're going back

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Speaker 7: and when usually when you're making contact with somebody in

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Speaker 7: past protection, that guy has ahead of steam or he

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Speaker 7: definitely has the momentum if anything else. And so just

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Speaker 7: the simple body mechanics, I'm going backwards while somebody is

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Speaker 7: going forward and trying to get to a certain point

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Speaker 7: where the quarterback is. It's challenging and it's tough, and

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Speaker 7: you see that. The teams that are good in the

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Speaker 7: league are the ones that can effectively do that. And

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Speaker 7: it's usually the quarterback getting the ball out past you know,

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Speaker 7: because you only pass protect so long before the defensive

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Speaker 7: line or linebacker gets to So.

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Speaker 4: Why not Here's here's my dumb question. Okay, if you're

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Speaker 4: in past protection, why not block block like run protection?

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Speaker 4: Why not just continue to move forward? Either what you're

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Speaker 4: still you're still staving people back right, They don't know

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Speaker 4: whether you're gonna run or pass. So why the variation

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Speaker 4: in the way that you handle it.

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Speaker 7: Well, there are many plays where you are coming off

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Speaker 7: as if you're run blocking, and that is to confuse

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Speaker 7: the defense. But there is a lot of room for

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Speaker 7: error if you do miss if it's a pass play

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Speaker 7: and you miss doing run blocking, technique. That angle is

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Speaker 7: pretty significant and pretty direct to the quarterback. And so

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Speaker 7: if you miss, if you do do a run blocking

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Speaker 7: technique while you're pass protecting, you better not miss. You

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Speaker 7: better get your hands on them, and you better lock

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Speaker 7: it in because as soon as they see that quarterback

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Speaker 7: drop back and they see that it's not a run play,

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Speaker 7: you don't have a lot of time.

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Speaker 3: To just Okay.

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Speaker 4: And finally, before we let you go, Uh, I've got

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Speaker 4: to ask you about Pittsburgh because you obviously I know

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Speaker 4: you still do a lot in terms of analyzing the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: What's going on with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 5: He had a bad gang. Uh, He's been playing great,

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Speaker 5: Don't get me wrong. It's all offense.

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Speaker 7: The way the Pittsburgh has been running it is very simple,

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Speaker 7: and Aaron has got the ballot fast. He has a

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Speaker 7: young O line, unproven O line blocking for him. And

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Speaker 7: when you're forty one years old and you can't get

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Speaker 7: hit as much as you can, you got to get.

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Speaker 5: That ball off fast.

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Speaker 7: But this past Sunday or yesterday, he just didn't have

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Speaker 7: good game. Those that he normally he didn't make and

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Speaker 7: so I think it's a one off. I hope it's

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Speaker 7: a one off, but uh yeah, he definitely just didn't

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Speaker 7: have a good game, but that was an anomaly because

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Speaker 7: he's been playing great.

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Speaker 5: For us this year.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, the hope for Pittsburgh fans would be that it's

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Speaker 4: a one off, right, But when you start getting up

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Speaker 4: in age, you start to wonder, right, I mean, but

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Speaker 4: we shall see what happens.

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Speaker 3: Trey.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it. I know you got stuff to get to.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the time today and look forward to talking

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Speaker 4: to you again.

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Speaker 5: All right, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: My man Trey estis joining us on the Java House

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