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Speaker 2: Burners of a day Casey, it's.

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Speaker 3: Friday, Rob.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to get Tom hmm. But wherever

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Speaker 1: because we have an exclusive interview, yes with Doug.

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Speaker 3: Carter, former state police superintendent, that's.

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Speaker 2: Correct, and he is going to this. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: I was blown away by what he is alleging happened.

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Speaker 1: And it involves allegations by a by the du Bois

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Speaker 1: And it involves an investigation that Doug Carter helped launch

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Speaker 1: What the state policed, the investigator as well as Doug Carter,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So at ten o'clock, the former state Police Superintendent

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Speaker 1: So a lot of mystery, a lot of intrigue that's

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what's speaking of the governor.

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Speaker 4: He has come out and he has stated that the

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Speaker 4: American public deserves full transparency regarding files related to Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, Mike Brown, correct, So why didn't he say

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Speaker 4: Now there's a big article in the Indiana Capitol Chronicle

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Speaker 1: not being open. Yes, we will get to that. Right now,

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Speaker 4: So Gislaine Maxwell's lawyer says that she fully cooperated and

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Speaker 4: answered all DOJ questions during yesterday's interview, and Todd Blanche,

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Speaker 4: He confirmed that the meeting was conducted under President Trump's

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Speaker 4: Yes, he said he met with Gislane Maxwell and he

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Speaker 4: the appropriate time.

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Speaker 2: No body BONDI.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were prosecuting the individual, not you, but the

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Speaker 3: She allegedly showed up with files. I don't know where

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Speaker 1: Why would she get anyone anything without a guarantee that

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Speaker 3: You going to believe it?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 1: Exactly, this is utterly ridiculous. You had a case, you

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Speaker 4: Oh, another thing that happened South Park targeting President Trump

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Speaker 3: Way, Yes, and it's the same thing making it.

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Speaker 2: Worse the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: Diego, y'all are doing the same thing on different topics

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Speaker 1: and making it worse. Right, So go ahead, sor right

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Speaker 4: Well, that just leaves a space for people to fill

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Speaker 2: And that's yes, You're one hundred people.

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Speaker 3: Are gonna assume different things.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk.

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Speaker 4: About that South Park episode and also more tributes pouring in.

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Speaker 3: For Hulk Hogan and amazing when somebody else passed.

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Speaker 4: Away yesterday that you probably heard of, didn't get quite

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Speaker 2: We had this conversation.

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Speaker 1: This guy picked a horrible day to pass away because

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Speaker 1: he's a pretty big deal.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he had any control over the matter.

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Speaker 4: It's on the way, it's Kennilly Casey, it's ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Are you got like nine things on the temple for

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Speaker 1: this segment, So I'll let you decide where we're going.

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Speaker 3: Try to get to the first one.

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Speaker 4: South Park targeting President Trump of the Epstein Files in

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Speaker 4: their new episode. I don't know if you've seen it.

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Speaker 4: You probably haven't seen it. I watched it, and it's

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Speaker 4: typical south Park satire. It's called Sermon on the Mount.

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Speaker 4: It is their season debut. There's season twenty seven. It

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Speaker 4: A lot of your supporters are starting to turn against you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, something else happened yesterday chuck Manji Owne passed away.

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Speaker 1: pass away, it just feels like a really big thing,

443
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Speaker 1: and it's not big in the sense of this person

444
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Speaker 1: is still having a profound impact on society, right Like

445
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: hul Cogan was selling some a beer of some sort,

446
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: was he had launched some sort of doom to fail

447
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: probably freestyle wrestling organization, and he was sort of in

448
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: many ways just a relic of days gone by. But

449
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: the outpouring that you have seen for hul Cogan shows

450
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Speaker 1: you for a very long window. Like a lot of

451
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Speaker 1: people in entertainment, their window is very small.

452
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Speaker 2: And when you think.

453
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Speaker 1: About hul Cogan on the mainstream to a mainstream national

454
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Speaker 1: audience really in eighty two eighty three the Rocky Movie,

455
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: and then he went back to the WWF at the

456
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Speaker 1: time and became the face of that franchise, and really

457
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Speaker 1: all the way through the early part of the two

458
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: thousands was a massive mainstream individual that if he was

459
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Speaker 1: doing he would put people in arenas, and if he

460
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Speaker 1: was at an event, people wanted to be there, and

461
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Speaker 1: if he was on some sort of television event or something,

462
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Speaker 1: it was a thing that people would tune in to watch.

463
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Speaker 1: And how many people can talk about prolific staying power.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about celebrity. I'm not talking about

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Speaker 1: the kind of the haha stuff later with Hogan knows

466
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Speaker 1: Best or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: Mainstream staying power in terms of entertainment and being able

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Speaker 1: to sell tickets and capitate the public interests. How man

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Speaker 1: people can say they did it for twenty plus.

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Speaker 4: Years, right, I mean he did. He transcended wrestling, right.

472
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Speaker 4: He was in TV and movies, public appearances, also in

473
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Speaker 4: the ring, and he's one of those people you say,

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Speaker 4: houl Cogan, you know instantly what he looks like and

475
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Speaker 4: who you're talking about, and multiple generations as well.

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Speaker 1: And now I will say this because yes, as a

477
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Speaker 1: I don't watch it anymore, But as a kid, I

478
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: was a massive As a kid of the eighties and

479
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: early nineties, I was a massive professional wrestling fan. And

480
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: I was not a normal kid. We gotta mind saying that, right,

481
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Speaker 1: just like I'm not a normal adult. I watched professional

482
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Speaker 1: wrestling different than any of my other friends because the

483
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Speaker 1: wrestling itself, it didn't really matter to me what I

484
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Speaker 1: watched and what I looked at as a kid, and

485
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Speaker 1: it stayed with me throughout most of my life. And

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Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan was better at any other person and I

487
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Speaker 1: say this, better than any other person in any form

488
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Speaker 1: of entertainment I've ever seen, not just professional wrestling. Hulk

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Speaker 1: Hogan could manipulate. And I say this as a positive

490
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: because pro wrestling is scripted, right. I mean, you shouldn't

491
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Speaker 1: use the term fake. Guys get injured all the time,

492
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: but it is scripted, right. Hul Cogan was better at

493
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: manipulating the people who paid to see him into whatever

494
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: he wanted them to feel or think than any other

495
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Speaker 1: person I've ever seen in entertainment. And I'm going to

496
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Speaker 1: get I gave this example yesterday on Hammer and Nigel,

497
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Speaker 1: and it is an incredible gift. And I've never seen

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Speaker 1: anybody before him or after him that had this level

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Speaker 1: of talent. In two thousand and two, hal Cogan came

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Speaker 1: back to the World Wrestling Federation.

501
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Speaker 2: He'd been in the WCW, who is their.

502
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Speaker 1: Rival rival company, and he comes back and he comes

503
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Speaker 1: back as a bad guy. People know hal Cogan was

504
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: a good guy, that he was a bad guy, and

505
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Speaker 1: then he comes to WWF he's a bad guy. And

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Speaker 1: WrestleMania eighteen is in Toronto, Canada, and that was always

507
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Speaker 1: arguably halt Cogan's strongest city. He was beloved his entire

508
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Speaker 1: career in Toronto, Canada. And they're in the SkyDome, so

509
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Speaker 1: there's like sixty five thousand people and he's wrestling The

510
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: Rock and this is at the height of the Rock

511
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: wrestling stuff, like he was the biggest wrestling star.

512
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: In the world, and he's.

513
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: Having this nostalgia match with this dream match right with Hulcgan.

514
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: Rock's the good guy, Haulk's the bad guy. Hulk decides,

515
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: in his mind, I ain't going out and being a

516
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: bad guy and getting booed in Toronto. He comes out

517
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Speaker 1: as a bad guy, though he does. He's doing the motions,

518
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: he's doing the movement, but he decides in his mind,

519
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: this is my city, and I get that we've spent

520
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: months hyping this thing up. Or I'm the bad guy

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00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: and you're gonna hate me, but uh uh not in Canada.

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00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: So without saying a.

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Speaker 1: Word, he gets the Rock, who's this megas superstar, good guy.

524
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: People love him everywhere he goes, they get in this

525
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: pose down, the stare down in the ring before the

526
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: match starts, an unprompted Hogan just turns his head. Never

527
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: a word, never a movement. He's not cupping the year,

528
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: he's not posing to the crowd. He just turns his

529
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Speaker 1: head and he that is the segment, and he has

530
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Speaker 1: this little half grin on his face, and the crowd

531
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Speaker 1: erupts and the entire match is thrown into chaos because

532
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: the entire match they're.

533
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: Cheering hood on the script and booing the rock.

534
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Speaker 1: And that was the talent of all Cogan. That's the

535
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Speaker 1: guy that I wanted to be, Casey, the guy who

536
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: could make thousands of people at any moment think or

537
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: feel or believe whatever he wanted them, not what they

538
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: they were predetermined to be, but whatever he wanted, and

539
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: he was the best at it I've ever seen.

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Speaker 7: All Right, fitz McPAT pandamon him things in someone of

541
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Speaker 7: the chaotic state here, Oh Cogan, I'm sure there's gonna

542
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 7: be a thorough investigation by the World Wrestling Federation into

543
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 7: what happened here tonight.

544
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Speaker 2: And I know you could not be any more disappointed.

545
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 5: Oh much money did they spend on the plastic surgery?

546
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: Man?

547
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 5: All places covered, the all come in I was watching

548
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 5: DBLC partial in his place.

549
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: Never in my wildest dreams, Mee.

550
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 5: Jean, what I think that I would get ripped off

551
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 5: by a penny pension to Tommy referee? How much money

552
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 5: i'm the plastic surgery? How much money did he spend

553
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 5: to pay the referee?

554
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: Okay, we get to break, but I want to tell

555
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: you that is and he had a case. They stole

556
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: his belt. They paid a referee to have plastic surgery

557
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: to be an evil ref and.

558
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 3: Looked like the other ref Yeah.

559
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: And that was in Indianapolis against Andre the Giant, and

560
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: he got pinned at the Old Market Square Arena. Thirty

561
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: three million people, Casey watched that wrestling match live on NBC.

562
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: People would give extremities, Executives would give extremities for anything

563
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: to have thirty three million viewers now, and they did

564
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: it with pro wrestling.

565
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: It is Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three WIBC. Okay, question, Yeah, did.

566
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Speaker 1: You ever get a response to your very hind email

567
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: you sent the Secretary of State's Officely.

568
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: No, I know you're surprised by that. You're shocked.

569
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: Huh.

570
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: You thought they'd get back.

571
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 4: To me, right, away, No, so we asked for an

572
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: official position.

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00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, you're getting ahead of yourself. So we

574
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Speaker 1: got a remind everybody because they missed yesterday's show. The

575
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Speaker 1: Secretary of State of the State of Indiana, Diego Morales,

576
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: in some bizarre rant at the Motor Vehicle Advisory Board,

577
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: went on a fifteen ish minute I don't even know

578
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: what you'd call it or but a big part of

579
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 1: it was repeatedly telling who talking about the fake news,

580
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: which he identified, I guess is us and the Indie Star,

581
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: and how no one should believe us. And then at

582
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Speaker 1: one point he referred to us as the fake WIBC,

583
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: which I can assure you we are the real wibcat,

584
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: and that we weren't telling what like his story, or

585
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: we weren't telling his accomplishments, right, Okay, So you then said, well,

586
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: I would really like you to come on, mister Morales

587
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: and tell us all about the past three years.

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00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: Correct.

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00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: We would love to hear about your accomplishments. We have

590
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: lots of other questions too, And so what did you

591
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: You send a very kind email requesting to give him

592
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: the opportunity that it appeared he is desperately seeking.

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00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did.

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00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 4: I sent an email to his communications director and said, hey,

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00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 4: what's his official position as to what is fake about?

596
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: WIBC also invited him to come on the show so

597
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: he could have an opportunity to share all of his

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00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: accomplishments with our wonderful listening audio.

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00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: So no doubt when you go on a fifteen minute

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00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: rant about something, they would be eagerly right responding like.

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00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: He wants you to know his accomplishment.

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00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: We want to tell everybody about all the stuff Diego

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00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: has done the past three given the platform, absolutely and

604
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: so they have to say as much as you want.

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00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: They have not responded.

606
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 4: They have not responded. He can take the whole show

607
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: if he wants. He can just keep on talking now.

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00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: He was so lippy and mouthy and Johnny tough guy

609
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: and calling us the fake news and the fake WIBC

610
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: and demanding that we tell history.

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00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: Diego. This is the problem, Diego.

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00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: We don't know your story because we keep asking what

613
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: your story is, ah, and then we can't get an answer, like,

614
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: for example, we wanted to know what your story was

615
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: with India and that ten day trip to India, right,

616
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't tell us what your story was we

617
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: wanted to know the story about you paying the money

618
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: back for the trip to India, but you wouldn't tell

619
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: us that story. See, I don't think Diego. It's almost

620
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: like he's just pulling it out of his ass.

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Speaker 2: Casey, It's almost.

622
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't really know what he wants because he

623
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: keeps saying he wants us to tell these stories.

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00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 4: He shows up to the State House at five am, Rob,

625
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 4: don't take that away from him.

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00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: Has anybody, You may remain anonymous.

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00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: If you have ever seen Diego Morales at the State House,

628
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: unless he was forced to sleep there for some reason.

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Speaker 1: If you've ever, of his own volition seen Diego park

630
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: and walk in the State House five am, let us

631
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: know at Robim Kendall, at Casey Daniels three point.

632
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: Seven on Twitter, you may remain anonymous.

633
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: All right.

634
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 4: Coming up next, the former superintendent of the Indiana State

635
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Speaker 4: Police is joining us.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be an incredible interview. Doug Carter

637
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: will be with us about an investigation they launched last

638
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: year into the Dubois County sheriff, who, by all accounts

639
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: is a pretty good political.

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Speaker 2: Ally of the governor.

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Speaker 1: And what a wild turn that investigation took Doug Carter

642
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Speaker 1: will

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Speaker 4: Be sharing his thoughts with us coming up on ninety

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Speaker 4: three WIBC