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Speaker 1: Joining us now on the Java House Peel and poor

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Speaker 1: guest line. He is with ESPN dot com and I

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Speaker 1: would assume has been busy today, not unlike you folks

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Speaker 1: who have a Kicker on buy in your fantasy league,

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Speaker 1: scouring over the waiver wires. And we'll begin with this

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Speaker 1: Stephen Holder with Spencer Schrader and the news that he

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Speaker 1: is out now for the year. I had not heard

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Speaker 1: if there is any development today, and that's why I'm

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Speaker 1: teeing you up for this, and that is the Colts

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Speaker 1: in terms of movement at Kicker and if anything has

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Speaker 1: developed in the last twenty four hours, so I think

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Speaker 1: we're close.

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Speaker 2: We actually just heard from Special Teams coordinator Brian Mason

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Speaker 2: means they probably have but they just aren't ready to

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Speaker 2: announce it. But anyhow, he says that that is the

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Speaker 2: possibility that the punter Rigoberto Sanchez could potentially do the

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Speaker 2: kickoffs moving forward. You know, he did that in Strader's

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Speaker 2: absence on Sunday. And if you recall before he tore

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Speaker 2: regularly the kickoff specialist. They have decided in the last

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Speaker 2: that's more practice, that's more game snaps, all of that.

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Speaker 2: So they pulled back, but they're now open to it again.

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Speaker 2: And the interesting thing there, this is more kicking information

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Speaker 2: I think is that Rigoberto Sanchez was a fantastic kickoff specialist.

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Speaker 2: And his specialty, as far as I recall, was placing

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Speaker 2: that's where we're at right now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I wanted to also ask yesterday I saw that

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Speaker 1: you know, this is a position Stephen obviously that has

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Speaker 1: due to attrition. But it kind of is one of

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Speaker 1: those positions or areas of the field that you're always

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Speaker 1: looking for guys when we see things like, you know, hey,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's all all of the above. The Colts do

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Speaker 2: the context here is Mike Hilton is banged up, and

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Speaker 2: he says, it was kind of inflamed and it needs

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Speaker 2: in these parts by the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding, right, you know, goes to that saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, with I saw that ESPN dot com right now,

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Speaker 1: believe they now have Colts the fifth. You did the

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Speaker 1: What is their achilles that has yet to be exposed?

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Speaker 2: Well, it is the right question, but I would say

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Speaker 2: Man? It's hard to come back from what they're dealing

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Speaker 2: what's going to hold them back? The Colts? I mean,

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Speaker 2: But that's one thing, right that the defense giving up

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Speaker 1: By the way Eddie, when it comes to the National

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Speaker 1: Football league. We have breaking news. Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: A divisional trade in the AFC West the Cincinnati Bengals

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Speaker 3: or AFC North. The Cincinnati Bengals are acquiring Joe Flacco

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Speaker 1: Hmmm, interesting, Steven, your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: Ah, that is super interesting. I'm not sure how much

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Speaker 1: It kind of it feels like the Washington Wizards trading

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Speaker 2: Brown with their current situation, Yeah, exactly. I think they

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Speaker 2: we'll see look to him, Steven.

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Speaker 1: Somebody asked me this before we let you go. I

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Speaker 2: So I actually I looked this up or actually tapped

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Speaker 2: And frankly, if you're if you are, if you're a

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Speaker 2: a great season. So and this isn't going to happen now.

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Speaker 2: January fry, right, they're not going to do this now.

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Speaker 2: They have plenty of time. They have his rights until

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. Got a lot of reps,

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Speaker 2: Great pick on his on his part too. But a

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Speaker 2: great interception should a score. But you know we're not picking.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking, a great pick and picky. Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 2: Know you know, Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: All right, Steven, appreciate.

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Speaker 2: It more more information than you needed.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly correct. Yes, Steven Older joining us from ESPN

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Speaker 1: dot Com, Pacers and Action tonight, taking on the Minnesota Timberwolves. Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: by the way, the Land of ten Thousand Lakes. Joining

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Speaker 1: us now on the Java House Peel and poor guest line.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy that probably you could see working at

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Speaker 1: the Java House coffee outlet near you. Scott Agnes joining

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Speaker 1: us from field House Files and Scott, I'll begin with this.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about the the Pacers earlier, and one

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Speaker 5: First of all, great gig with Java House, big fan.

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Speaker 5: But for me, it's all about the center position. Jake,

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Speaker 5: we got two players coming off achilles tendon injuries less

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Speaker 1: That's it. And by the way, the are you a

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Speaker 5: More black coffee? Most of the time I'll mix in

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Speaker 5: we were all curious to see what James Wiseman looked

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Speaker 4: And while I.

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Speaker 5: Agree with the Pacers that they can find ways to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think and Scott not to dwell on this.

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Speaker 1: The kind of mixed signal Scott because Chad Buchanan had said,

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Speaker 1: Scott, you just mentioned a guy that I'm really intrigued by,

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Speaker 1: back out of rotation and tease us and then just

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Speaker 1: have to wait, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think so.

435
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Speaker 5: If not, though, I think he might be a step

436
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 5: above in terms of having greater opportunity here so quickly.

437
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 5: And I really like the short flashes that we have

438
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 5: seen already from him, starting with Summer League and then

439
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 5: going into this last week because they've only had about

440
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,959
Speaker 5: four practices to this point. But Furfree, what he can

441
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Speaker 5: do inside and out, I think feel like he hasn't

442
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 5: stopped growing is another thing. And then I think a

443
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 5: lot of it's too, is just learning the game and

444
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 5: learning the league like he was at Kansas for a year,

445
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 5: came as the NBA as a nineteen year old.

446
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Speaker 4: There is so much to absorb.

447
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 5: And soak in over this process, and then the next

448
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 5: thing is a pregame.

449
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Speaker 4: He always worked with assistant coach Mike Weiner.

450
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 5: Well that coach has gone, so now there's another adaptation

451
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Speaker 5: that you'll have for Johnny Furfey.

452
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think that's spot on.

453
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 5: Jake in terms of Johnny's already become a fan favorite,

454
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Speaker 5: by the way, which also helps that case, because you

455
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Speaker 5: know fans are going to be cheering his name, whether

456
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Speaker 5: it's a blowout one way or the other, or there's

457
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Speaker 5: an obvious gap for him to maybe slide into the

458
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Speaker 5: rotation for an evening.

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Speaker 1: Could Johnny Furfey actually move past Jaris Walker in rotation.

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Speaker 5: Perhaps eventually, I don't think right away. For a number

461
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Speaker 5: of reasons. Jeris leaned more on for his defense, for

462
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 5: his instincts for those type of things, and I think

463
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 5: Johnny has more to come along from that defensive end.

464
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Speaker 5: I think Johnny placed better in terms of playing fast,

465
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Speaker 5: getting up and down the court, getting into something random

466
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Speaker 5: like this thene likes.

467
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Speaker 4: But I think.

468
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Speaker 5: Jerrius is further along in other ways that will lead

469
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Speaker 5: to him being ahead in the rotation at least to start.

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Speaker 1: Scott Agnes's our guest Fieldhouse Files, where you can read

471
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Speaker 1: his work Pacers in Action tonight taking on the Timberwolves

472
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Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Scott, what do you as you've been around

473
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Speaker 1: it and you've gone into you know, everything from media

474
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Speaker 1: day to just you know, observing the shoot arounds, whatever

475
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Speaker 1: it may be how do you approach or how do

476
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: you how do you I guess decipher the cults or

477
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: excuse me, the Pacers like body language, they're approached to

478
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: it all. In other words, we as fans in media

479
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: are like, okay, gap here, gap year, gap here. It

480
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: seems to me like they don't want to hear that, right,

481
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Speaker 1: What is their philosophy or approach? What are they preaching?

482
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, like for example, going into last season, I

483
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 5: think a lot of fans were saying, hey, we're we

484
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 5: want to see you get to another series. And the

485
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 5: Pacers from that standpoint, we're sitting there like, no, we

486
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 5: want to reach the NBA finals And look what they did,

487
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 5: Like that was true, Like that was not They were

488
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 5: not completely full of it. And so going into this year, Yeah,

489
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 5: you're exactly right, they're not looking at as oh, let's

490
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Speaker 5: just get by, let's see if we can win forty

491
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Speaker 5: games and just stay in the conversation and be relevant. No,

492
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Speaker 5: you have a lot of guys that want to continue

493
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Speaker 5: to elevate their game. Like I still believe there's a

494
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Speaker 5: lot more there for even starters like Andrew Nimhard and

495
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 5: Aaron Neismith to take another level obviously a big question

496
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 5: at center. We know at this point exactly what Siakam is,

497
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 5: but by the way, I continue to praise the front

498
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Speaker 5: office from that standpoint because we knew what he could

499
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 5: do on the court, but he has continued to excel

500
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Speaker 5: and go above and beyond. And maybe that's just what

501
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 5: he read of this situation and where he needed to contribute.

502
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Speaker 5: But no, I think this team it fully expects to

503
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Speaker 5: get to the playoffs and surprise everyone.

504
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Speaker 4: And I think they are just fine with that. And

505
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 4: I think in.

506
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 5: General, like to your T shirt theme, like that's what

507
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 5: this market is about. I think we're in a golden

508
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 5: arrow really of Indiana sports amongst so many different teams

509
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 5: why exactly, And I think they all jake thrive on

510
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 5: being that underdog.

511
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Speaker 4: I mean there's been years pass where.

512
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 5: The Pacers would if they be favored in a game,

513
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 5: they play poorly. If they're the underdog, they come out

514
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 5: and completely race hell, make things complicated, come off with

515
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 5: the win, and not be surprised by anything. So I

516
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 5: think again they're leaning into that. It's It's not, by

517
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 5: any means a season of discovery with many different parts,

518
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 5: but this first month will be very interesting.

519
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 4: For those number of reasons. We started out at the

520
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: top with but Scott.

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Speaker 1: Between Niemid, Nimhard and Siakam, those three, the guy that

522
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: is going to be asked to most deviate from the

523
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: or vers be more versatile, and the way they've played

524
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: before is which.

525
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Speaker 5: My first instinct there is not nem Hard, but rather

526
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 5: because nim Hart's handled the ball, he's been a point

527
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 5: guard before, and in fact, a couple of years ago

528
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 5: going into the season, he's spent his off season planning

529
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 5: to be the backup point guard, but he was just

530
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 5: too good that they couldn't have him out of the

531
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Speaker 5: starting lineup. So for those reasons, I'm going to see

532
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Speaker 5: Siakam because without Halliburton, his voice, his leadership on the court,

533
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 5: his production, there's going to be needed, more consistency and

534
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 5: different roles than hats worn by Siakam.

535
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Speaker 6: I'm glad you mentioned the tyrese Haliburton not being on

536
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 6: the floor from the voice aspect, Scott, because I've been

537
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 6: starting to think about this lately, like who's going to

538
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 6: have to step up as the vocal leader because no Halliburton,

539
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 6: obviously no Miles Strunner, but I think a secret third

540
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 6: voice that we don't talk about enough this team not

541
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Speaker 6: having anymore is James Johnson. He played such a critical

542
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 6: role behind the scenes with the development of some guys

543
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 6: and keeping guys on track. How and who, I should say,

544
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 6: who's gonna have to step up and assume those roles

545
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 6: because those are three things that have to be filled

546
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 6: this upcoming year.

547
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 5: Yeah and yeah, Miles's voice, especially defensively, was significant. The

548
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 5: one thing with James, while it would be nice if

549
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 5: he would return, the other thing I Eddie felt going

550
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 5: into this season is that he's been around for two

551
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 5: or three years here. It kind of felt like this season.

552
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 4: Could be a time where you could kind of let

553
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: the let the kids.

554
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 5: Go and do what you've trained them to do, right

555
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 5: like let the nests go out into the real world

556
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 5: and see how the last couple of years have gone

557
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 5: and how you've gotten them ready to this point they're Siakam.

558
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 5: I think Neat Smith's going to continue to elevate what

559
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 5: he contributes in a variety of ways. And then I

560
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 5: think I think we shouldn't undervalue the voice of TJ

561
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 5: McConnell off the bench as well. He's seen a lot,

562
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 5: he's played over ten years in the league, so I

563
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 5: think he can elevate where he contributes as well from

564
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 5: that standpoint, but there will be no replacing James Johnson.

565
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Speaker 5: I just think it's it's probably time to let this

566
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 5: team fly on its own, is how I does put it.

567
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Speaker 1: Scott. The following that I'm about to ask is almost

568
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 1: embarrassing because it sounds so ludicrous. Okay, but when you

569
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Speaker 1: consider and I know that they won't. They don't want

570
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: to talk gap year and that kind of thing. The

571
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: reality is this, we know what and who the Pacers

572
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: can be once Halliburton gets back, and you know, hopefully

573
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: is close to what we have seen from his level

574
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Speaker 1: of play, but that's a year from now. They got

575
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Speaker 1: so much benefit when they were at their apex from

576
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Speaker 1: the energy and the experience down the stretch of TJ. McConnell.

577
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: Do they become cautious to not overplay McConnell this year

578
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: because of his age, to preserve him if you will,

579
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Speaker 1: for when Halliburton is back, And I know that sounds crazy, No.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't, but I would say yes, but for a

581
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 5: different reason. I think his superpower is playing a specific

582
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 5: a lotmenttal in it a minute that eighteen to twenty

583
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Speaker 5: two to twenty three, and because of how high energy,

584
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 5: how high strong, how much he's laked it on the line,

585
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 5: I think you lose some of that greatness, that pureness,

586
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 5: that ability if you're trying to stretch him beyond his means.

587
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 5: And so for that reason, more than anything, is why

588
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 5: I think they have to be cautious of playing him,

589
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: say more than twenty four to twenty five minutes per game.

590
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Speaker 1: If you could have a superpower, what would you pick?

591
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: Fly? Eddie, I like to save time. I am such

592
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 4: an impatient, that's fair.

593
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't know.

594
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 6: Fly is a really good one. I was trying to go.

595
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 6: It was something different because he stole mine.

596
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: Now, like when you fly, though, Scott, how high are

597
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 1: you flying? And how fast? You know what?

598
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 5: I haven't thought about that, but I would say as

599
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 5: fast as possible, because I would just be there in

600
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Speaker 5: an instant.

601
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Speaker 6: So cloning, yeah, I mean, do we want too of you?

602
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 4: They teleporting? It would be next maybe?

603
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, if you teleport, you don't need to fly, right,

604
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 6: And I'm not saying you would want two of me.

605
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 6: I would want multiple of me. I could be in

606
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 6: multiple places to do multiple different things.

607
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: Ed Sorenson used to routinely say, I'd just claw me.

608
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: I just want to get to a me. It was

609
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: like a number one line. But for what reason would

610
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: you want to clone yourself?

611
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: Eddie?

612
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Speaker 6: There's a lot of reasons, Jake, don't you I mean,

613
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 6: don't you want to be one of a kind. I

614
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 6: would still be one of a kind. There wouldn't be

615
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 6: other people out there if.

616
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: You're not one of a kind. If you're cloning yourself.

617
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 6: Well, I am one of a kind because I'd be

618
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 6: the only one that can clone myself.

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Speaker 1: You imagine Scott having two people with a head that big,

620
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: all on the same planet.

621
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Speaker 4: Oh man, I'd go with you.

622
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: Now, when when I say this, you're going to think

623
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: that I'm saying it for the tawd repurposes. And there

624
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: are toddry benefit don't get me wrong, but I think

625
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: one of them that's underrated. And I don't know if

626
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: this is an actual superpower, but to make yourself invisible

627
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: would be advantageous in numerous situations.

628
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Speaker 4: Right, that would be a really good one too.

629
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Speaker 1: I mean think about it, like, hey, do you have

630
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: tickets to the game? I don't need them? Why swalk in?

631
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 4: Right?

632
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: Go wherever you want to go, right, I mean that's

633
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: the number of I mean unbelieved. Now. But if you're invisible,

634
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: now this is a disclaimer here. Do you think you

635
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: would also then have to what if your clothes are

636
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: not invisible but you are, then you're basically still busted. Right,

637
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna look weird. People can see jeans just walking around, right.

638
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 5: No, you have like the Harry Potter cloak, so whatever

639
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 5: was underneath it would be hidden.

640
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm unfamiliar with the Harry Potter stuff.

641
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 5: Just picture of cape, So whatever whatever is over your

642
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 5: head and under the cape is invisible.

643
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: But the cap, so the cape is also invisible. Correct,

644
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: Because I don't know about you. If I'm sitting there,

645
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, on the subway, and a cape cart starts

646
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: moving towards me, you know what I mean, like like

647
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: there's gonna be I'm getting some weapons?

648
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: Right?

649
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, that's a really good one though, so many usage.

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Speaker 1: Who's your favorite superhero and you can't say Superman or Batman?

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Speaker 4: Oh I'm not sure. It's always been Superman.

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Speaker 1: I think the most under Eddie yours iron Man? Huh

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Speaker 1: iron Man? Iron Man? Yeah? Okay, that's cool. Now mine

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Speaker 1: and I think he's underrated, this fella Aquaman. I think

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Speaker 1: Aquaman's underrated.

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Speaker 4: That'd be fun, yeah, be cool, right.

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Speaker 1: But everybody tells me that he's terrible on land Is

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Speaker 1: that true. I'm not into the superhero stuff, but I

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Speaker 1: just think he's cool. I like anybody that's amphibious.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I think that'd be a good choice.

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Speaker 1: Scott. What he got upcoming here on field House Files,

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Speaker 1: other than talking about amphibious things and invisible cloaks.

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Speaker 5: Just a lot more looking ahead to the space of

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Speaker 5: season with news and notes, and then also still a

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Speaker 5: lot more to come out of the Fever season that

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Speaker 5: headlined obviously with these collective bargainings.

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Speaker 4: Hey, let me tell you conversations that aren't going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: The collective bargaining stuff. And I was I was really

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Speaker 1: grateful Scott for all of the conversations that Stephanie White

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Speaker 1: was kind enough to have, kind enough to have with

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Speaker 1: us over the course of the season. The last one

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Speaker 1: that we had with her when we were talking about

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Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Clark and the wa NBA commissioner, and she was

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Speaker 1: saying that she feels like Kitlin Clark is a pawn

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Speaker 1: for other people. That. I mean, that got a lot

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Speaker 1: of traction. There is a lot of discussion because I

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Speaker 1: think what you have is the WNBA right now still

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Speaker 1: kind of trying to learn how to now navigate through

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Speaker 1: with transcendent stars within it, within its league.

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Speaker 5: Right this is an entirely new world for them and

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Speaker 5: something that they were not prepared for because it did

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Speaker 5: not exist, Like Cathy's talked about. When she arrived at

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Speaker 5: the league, there was like one or two marketing execs.

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Speaker 5: Now they have like twenty. Now they have all these

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Speaker 5: different TV deals. Yeah, and she is certainly spearheaded at

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Speaker 5: meaning Kaitlyn. And then we've seen the other class this

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Speaker 5: latest one page backers follow But no, Caitlyn is in

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Speaker 5: a league of her own in terms of interest and such.

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Speaker 5: I put her up there with Tiger, with mainly Tiger,

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Speaker 5: maybe an MJ.

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Speaker 1: She said, william She said, Serena Williams. That was the

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Speaker 1: other one that. Yeah, Stephanie had mentioned to me Scott

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Speaker 1: before we let you go. I the thing about the

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Speaker 1: w NBA in general and in Caitlin Clark, there is

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Speaker 1: no denying Caitlin Clark's talent, star power, all of it. Right,

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Speaker 1: what I'm fascinated by, and it's a conversation probably more

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Speaker 1: to be had once the season is getting ready to resume.

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Speaker 1: But is it unfair of me to say that I

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Speaker 1: am intrigued by how the Fever reacclimate with her on

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Speaker 1: the court because of out of necessity, the bond in

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Speaker 1: which that roster was able to coagulate with one another

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Speaker 1: without her on the floor.

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Speaker 5: I would say that's partially fairic because mostly the reality

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Speaker 5: is this team could look very different. There were only

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Speaker 5: five returning players last year. Most of the league are

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Speaker 5: free agents, Jake. There's expansion teams two coming in, so

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Speaker 5: we still don't know how many players teams can protect.

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Speaker 5: It is the wild, wild rest right now that nobody

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Speaker 5: knows the rules or what's going to happen here. But

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Speaker 5: I will say, to her credit, she was as involved

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Speaker 5: as she could have been on the road for all

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Speaker 5: but one game this season. She found routines with different

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Speaker 5: teammates to stay engaged in such and they still tried

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Speaker 5: to play fast and do different things. But yes, there

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Speaker 5: isn't certainly a period of reacclimating to her being the

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Speaker 5: focal point. But I also bet she realized two of

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Speaker 5: how best to utilize maybe my teammates even more to

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Speaker 5: supercharge what they did this past season without her.

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Speaker 1: Nick chimes in on the text that his desired superpower

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Speaker 1: would be irresistibility to women. I don't know that's a

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Speaker 1: superpower or not. I don't know that I would. To me,

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Speaker 1: that feels redundant.

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Speaker 4: Cow boy.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but what it's worth. All right, Scott,

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 4: All right, Thanks

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Speaker 1: Scott, Agnes field House Files