WEBVTT - Tony Katz & Jennifer Sey on Implications of Transgender Athletes 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:10.440 Live from Vaal Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:12.000 It's Tony Katz today. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:16.639 So what is the obligation of the athlete to say, 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:22.840 well anything when it comes to men and women's sports, 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.800 or what's going on around the world, or what's happening domestically. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.600 Is there some type of obligation? I don't believe that 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.159 there is. What I believe is that if they are 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.440 going to say something, they have to be able to 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.839 back it up. But when something is said so normal, 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.920 like Sophie Cunningham of the Indiana Fever saying girls' sports 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.400 are for girls, how could that begin to be political? 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.280 And to make it political is part of this idea 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.280 of culture war. And if indeed this is a culture war, 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.480 not having men and women's sports, not having boys and 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.520 girls sports, well I'm fine with that, and it's a 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.800 war we have to win. That's Tony Kats today. Good 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.280 to be with you. Jennifer say joins us right now. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.480 She is the CEO and coppo di tutti coppo. Over 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:13.039 at xx x Y Athletics xx dash xy athletics dot 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:13.520 com you. 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:14.720 Can buy all your gear. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.600 There a long history in sports as a national champion 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.560 gymnast and you're traveling around you have become your own 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.480 level of star in this space. Along with selling a 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:31.760 quality product. You've taken on this culture war head on. 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:33.400 But I need to take a step back to make 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.480 sure people understand where you come from, which is this 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.520 world of gymnastics. You were part of the nineteen eighty 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:43.920 six national team or a part of that group that 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:48.760 won in my beloved Indianapolis, Indiana, and you were one 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.680 of the people who worked with the Indianapolis Star talking 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.600 about the horror show that was the physician Larry Nasser 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.200 who is now in jail for his sexual abuse. Is 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.640 guess what brings you to xxxy or is this what 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.720 brings you to the idea of if we're not front 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.760 and center on these issues now, we're going to deal 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:09.920 with massive, dangerous ramifications later. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.600 That is a great question. Yeah, you're right. I was 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.320 a national team member gymnasts throughout the eighties, eight time 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:21.640 national team member, eighty six national champion in Indianapolis. I 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:25.000 was also the first whistleblower about abuse in sports and 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.440 gymnastics in particular. That was two thousand and eight when 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.560 I wrote my first book called Chalked Up that was 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.520 ten years before Nasser went to prison for life. As 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:36.320 you might imagine, the US Olympic Committee and the US 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.280 Olympic Movement and gymnasts, etc. They were not ready for 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.239 that message. I spoke about the national team coach who 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.799 I traveled around the world with in that book being 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.600 a known pedophile. That did not go particularly well for me. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.600 I was pretty much ousted from that community, but I 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:55.680 knew I needed to say it because I didn't want 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.520 another little girl to go through what I had. And 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.880 I did work with the Indie Star. They did such 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:06.920 amazing work reporting on, you know, the NASA case, And 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.280 I think what's important to remember about that case is 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.959 NASA has not won bad apple. That sport is rotten 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.560 to the core. He was able to abuse for thirty 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:18.079 years because the governing body knew and looked the other 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.359 way and actually destroyed evidence. So you know, I've been 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.360 working a heart a long time to try to clean 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.200 that sport up. I believe young athletes deserve to train 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.600 with dignity and safety in striving to achieve their dreams. 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:32.239 So you know, I've been at this for a while 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:36.000 in terms of trying to protect female athletes. So yes, 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.680 They're absolutely related, these two issues, and it's why I 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.320 care so much about protecting women's sports. That said, I 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:47.360 also have a kind of separate, long term corporate career 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.640 as a brand builder. I worked at Levi's for twenty 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.960 three years. I was a chief marketing officer for eight 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.120 and the brand president for two and so I know 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.160 how brands can influence the culture. And we lost the 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.120 culture on this one. You slowly but surely, there was 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.920 a long march to steal our language and you know, 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.560 co op the culture with these terrible ideas that men 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.800 can be women if they just say that they are. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.600 I want to fight this battle on cultural grounds, not legal, 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.040 not political. It's the culture we need to win back, 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.120 and I believe a brand can really help do that 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.560 with our content, with our product. You know, I want 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.960 to make it cool to say women men can't become women. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.039 I want to make it cool to say these totally 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.760 normal things like women deserve their own sports and spaces. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.440 So you know, that's why we're in this game. But 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.000 we do make as you mentioned, you know, hot, world 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.400 class premium athletic gear. You don't need to buy some 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.320 brands that throw women under the bus, like Nike you 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.120 can buy from us, and we're just so thrilled to 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.520 be part of this. And you know Sophie has Sophie 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:53.880 Cunningham has thrown this issue into the center of culture. 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:57.840 I do, but I want to bring it back a 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:58.240 little bit. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:02.560 Talking to Jennifer Say, the CEO, a founder of xx 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:07.159 dash x y Athletics xx dash x y athletics dot com. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:08.200 You said a lot. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.520 There, including utilizing the term long march, which I think 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:18.320 was very, very purposeful in this way the abuse of 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:23.200 these young girls in regarding gymnastics and the Larry Nasser story, 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.280 if you haven't read it, it's horrifying stuff. You are 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:30.799 still making these allegations about US gymnastics today. Your book 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.760 Chalked Up, which you can find at Amazon dot com. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:38.080 You can go get that and read your accounts, just 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.080 so we're clear, just so we can put the pin 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.880 on that and then move on. In your view, that 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.160 level of abuse, Larry Nasser level of abuse still going on. 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.160 Okay, let me first of all, if you want to 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.400 know about the whole Larry Nauncer story, you can watch 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.000 athlete A. It's a movie on Netflix that I produced. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:59.599 It's a documentary. It won an Emmy back in twenty twenty. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.400 You the whole story, and it connects his crimes to 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.800 the broader culture of abuse. Do I want to tell 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.919 you that that level of abuse is happening throughout the sport. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.760 I mean that would be extreme. He abused over five 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.520 hundred athletes over the course of thirty years under the 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.599 guise of medical treatment. But abuse of coaches, and I 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.640 want to just say it's physical, emotional and sexual abuse 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.560 is rampant in the sport of gymnastics. These are very 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:28.280 young girls and they are very vulnerable. And because it's 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.480 an individual sport, that one on one coaching dynamic is 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.320 more intense, I think than in a team sport, and 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.520 it just invites bad actors. I will say that it 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.680 invites bad actors. Do I think it's as bad as 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.840 it was in the eighties when I trained. I hope 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.320 it's better. I don't know. I'm not inside the sport. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:51.320 People are aware, parents are aware, safe sport exists, there 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.839 is a mechanism to report abuse. But I will tell 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.279 you this safe sport is backed up for four years 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.880 with reports of abuse. They don't even take reports of 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.960 emotional and physical abuse because they're still backed up on 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.039 sexual abuse claims. So we need to change the culture 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.760 in that sport and in the Olympic movement overall. And 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:12.520 I think we're on the way, but I don't think 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:13.200 it is fixed. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:18.120 Now talking to Jennifer Say, the founder of xxxy Athletics 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.640 xx dash xyathletics dot com, this brings us now into 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.200 the conversation about Sophie Cunningham, who said something, as I've 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.880 said on the show numerous times, very normal girls sports 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:30.520 are for girls. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.560 It was so normal. I found it to be unremarkable. 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:35.880 And I stated at the time, and I have a 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.960 since then why anybody would make this political, Whether you 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.600 want to laud and glorify her as some kind of 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:45.480 right wing icon, or whether you want to go at 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.520 her an attacker because you're on the political left. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:51.240 No part of this makes sense. The rational response is. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.320 That girls are not boys, boys are not girls, and 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:57.880 girl sports belong to girls. This has of course been 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:02.120 seen as somehow we for making that rational points are 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.400 the biggots. You've got the owner of the Seattle Storm 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.920 yelling at two girls in the crowd. You've got the 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.720 coach of the Minnesota Links wearing a shirt that says 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.320 protect trans kids. You have the coach of the Golden 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.000 State Valkyries who wants to go out there and say 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.520 sports are about belonging as opposed to the highest level 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:25.440 of competition. Why is it that women seem to be 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:30.440 very focused on not thinking that women deserve to be 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:31.200 known as women. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.320 Okay, there's a lot in there. I want to back 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.600 up for one shore and be clear. Sophie was asked 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.080 a question in an interview that happened back in February. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:46.120 That ESPN interview happened months ago. She was directly asked 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.640 a question. She didn't go in there, you know, ready 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.880 to blow the doors off this thing and put herself 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.320 at the center of this controversy. So everybody calling her 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.880 Maga Barbie and all this crazy stuff. It's ridiculous. She 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.520 answered a question in a very simple and pointed way, 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.000 and she was very clear to your point in your 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.960 opener about what she believes, and she said girls. She 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.199 cares about protecting girls sports and spaces. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:12.000 That was it. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:14.880 She put the attention back on the girls when the 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.360 cultural attention has been on the boys who think they 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.920 are girls. Thank you for that, Sophie. I would say 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.760 I agree with you. That was not remarkable. What was 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.480 remarkable was just last week when she was reasked the 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:30.120 question after that ESPN interview was published, and she said, 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.959 I said what I said. She did not back it up. 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.840 She did not bend to any That was the remarkable part. 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.600 That was the line in the sand, because a year ago, 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:41.880 I'm not sure she would have stood around. I don't 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.839 want to speak for Sophie, but I'll just tell you 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.280 every we see it all the time, right, somebody says 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.760 something and then they back it up. When challenged, they bend, deny. 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.760 She didn't do it. She stood strong, Her spine is straight. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.000 Bless her. She is, you know, blowing the doors up 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.280 this thing. So that's the first thing. And I agree 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.679 with you. This whole like mumbo jump from all these 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:04.480 coaches about inclusivity and sports. It's such hogwash. I was 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:08.800 a competitive aout. Sports are about striving and competition and 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:13.120 striving for excellence and yes winning. In professional women's basketball, 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.959 less than one percent of college basketball players make the WNBA. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.599 That's exclusive. Sports are about exclusivity. If you want inclusivity, 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.640 go play pickleball at the Rack Center. That's inclusive. Not 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.640 women's professional basketball. It's so dumb when sports have all 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.360 kinds of categories. They have age categories, weight classes. In boxing, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.000 no one's saying that heavyweights should be able to box 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.720 against the welterweight. It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.760 But clearly they're talking points went out and that's what 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:46.560 they're going with. It's just ridiculous. As far as why 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.160 women are our own worst enemy here, I don't know. 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.440 They are the ones the left has made this political. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.400 We are speaking common sense. Men cannot become women, and 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.040 women deserve their own sports and spaces. It's so simple. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.560 I will say it all day long, over and over again. 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.480 Their position makes zero sense. But they are so loyal 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.640 and committed to the Democrat Party talking points that they 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.839 will pronounce themselves more on every day in saying I'm 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.440 not educated enough. One of the coaches said that to 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.839 talk on this issue, they will beclown themselves every day 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.040 to stay loyal to the Democratic Party talking points on this, 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:26.040 and it's embarrassing, and every passing day more people abandoned 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.280 that position. Fewer and fewer people are afraid to stand 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.920 up and say, yeah, this is ridiculous. Not my daughter's sport. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.079 Lets let's say that that's true. I certainly hope you're 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.400 right about that, Jennifer. But in the case of the WNBA, 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.360 which has become the hot button point, I mean, this 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.760 is happening in tennis, but tennis has said we don't 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.440 let men in the sport, and there are women in 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.280 tennis saying I agree. It's certainly Martina ne Rachlova has 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.760 been very outspoken on this subject, and. 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.480 I think, for the most part, very very well. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.240 But the WNBA has a commissioner, Kathy Andnglbrick, who has 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.920 said nothing. It has a coach in the Minnesota Lynks 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.600 who wears that shirt protect trans kids, who as a 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.640 coach in the Golden State Valkyries who says it's about 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.240 a belonging and look at what they said about me 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.880 because of my race, and she brought race into the subject. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:14.400 You have the coach of the Indiana. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.599 Fever, Stephanie White, who wants to not just heim and 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.800 haw about it, act like she doesn't know enough about it, 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.240 engage the idea of I need to get more educated. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:28.040 So as a league, the WNBA has created this problem 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.439 seemingly for themselves, where they have forgotten that the W 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:32.520 stands for women. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:33.800 What is your messaging? 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.440 Both said to them, Well, I would just tell you 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.319 the culture is moving. We have long heard that eighty 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.080 percent of Americans agree on this common sense issue that 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.840 women's sports are for women, but the vast majority have 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.240 been silent. I know this very well. I hear from 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.240 them all the time. They're afraid to speak out. They're 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.559 afraid to lose their job, they're afraid to be called names. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.560 They're afraid their kids won't have friends at school. But 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.000 that's changing. That culture shift is happening in real time. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.720 What I will tell you is the institutions, they're far behind. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.680 The mainstream media is far behind. Their headlines don't match 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.120 where the culture is and where the people are. The universities, 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:16.200 the institutions, the teams, the leagues like the WNBA, but 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.400 they are so out of touch with real people that 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.280 they are just making a mockery at themselves every day. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.240 But this is why it's going to take a while. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.480 It took ten or fifteen years for us to get 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.120 to this ridiculous place. We're not going to unwind it 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.640 with one WNBA season. But the more people stand up, 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:33.960 I'll tell you I was in Minneapolis at the last 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.840 game and against the Links, the fever. Against the Links, 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.800 we had a rally to celebrate Sophie outside the stadium 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.440 and we outnumbered the clowns on the other side by 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.880 at least ten to one. That wouldn't have happened a 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.040 year ago. And in the stadium, you're right about the broadcast. 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:50.920 The coach for the Links wore the T shirt about 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.200 trans kids belonging, and there were lots of people in 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:58.079 the stadium that had similar teas on what was happening 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.920 in the stadium was not reflective the broadcast ESPN Lockdown, 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.240 and they decided to make this a pro trans game. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:06.680 The only people they showed in the audience had those 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.000 T shirts on. I was sitting on the second row 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.880 on the court with Riley Gaines. We had xxxy T 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.600 shirts on. The cameras kept finding us and they would 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:17.960 not show us in the broadcaster on the jumbo tron. 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:22.640 We met people on in the stadium, stopped us as 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.520 for hugs and photos and autographs. They bought us drinks, 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.520 they bought us food, they thanked us. So the story 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.800 that ESPN wants to tell is not the story of 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.480 what was happening on the ground. So this is the 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.560 last gasp of a dying movement and the institutions that 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.760 are so out of touch with people. But they're going 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.160 to lose. They're going to lose this battle because we're 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.320 right and we're speaking the truth and we're standing up 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:45.880 for girls. 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.800 And you're you're I mean, I'm gonna call it a tour, 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.080 but you're hitting more of these WNB games. You're coming 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.760 to my beloved Indianapolis to see the fever. I'm only 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.640 hoping we were able to grab a cigar when you're here. 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.320 But is this about putting more pressure on on them? 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.760 Is this about bringing more light? Is this just marketing 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.400 for xxtash xy athletics dot com. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.920 This is about celebrating Sophie and celebrating Honillie Wilson, the 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:11.800 young girl who was at the Seattle game who got 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:16.040 spit on and screamed at by the co owner of 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.120 the Seattle Storm. This is about letting them know that 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.360 they have support for those of us that have been 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.880 apt As a while it has felt very lonely. You 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.840 would not believe, you probably would believe the harassment and 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.560 threats that we receive every single day. And I want 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:34.160 Sophie's obviously getting no support from the league, from her teammates, 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.400 I want her to know that she's supported. We go 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.840 in peace and we go in love. We bring balloons, 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.400 we give out T shirts, we have fun. We get 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.960 shouted down by insane lunatics who call us terrible, terrible names, 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.040 which I won't mention because you can't save them on 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.560 the radio. We just want her to know she's supported. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.040 That's really, that's it, and we want people to know 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.320 it's normal to support her and to say women's sports 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:56.920 are for women. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.000 I'm not one hundred percent sure where all her teammates are. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.600 I don't necessarily need them to make a statement every 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.320 which way but loose. But your support is something that 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.800 is seen very very clearly. Jennifer say s e y 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:16.800 is how you expel that. Xx dash x Yathletics dot Com. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.720 I look forward to seeing you when you are in Indianapolis. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.760 I appreciate you taking the time to be with the 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.400 show more to get to keep it here. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.760 I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today.