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Speaker 2: We were brothers. Yep, that's right. That's crazy to run together.

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Speaker 1: Now, think about how your lives. I mean they were

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Speaker 2: So we're on each side of Market Street of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: This is a massive deal because it's a total betrayal

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Speaker 2: Very much. So and when people read this, uh they've

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Speaker 2: He caught up with hog Set and we had a keV.

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Speaker 2: They did, you know, a long piece of Art Foxertenine

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Speaker 3: Russ, I'm not going to speculate on personnel related matters.

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Speaker 3: There is absolutely no indication that anything inappropriate was done.

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Speaker 1: Legal Erside is the city. You can have him at

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Speaker 3: Well, I you know that's a matter of speculation, Russ.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not going to I'm not gonna fall him in.

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Speaker 1: He is such a liar. It does not appearcord to

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