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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family. Thanks for starting your Tuesday with us. Later,

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Speaker 1: Grill Baba Lamumba from Emoja House in Washington, DC, we'll

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Speaker 1: be back in our classroom. Baba la Mumba always always

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Speaker 1: provides us with some thought provoking topics to discuss. But

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Speaker 1: before Baba la Mumba, investigative reporter Jeff Gallop will unpack

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Speaker 1: some of the stories he's currently working on. But momentarily

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Speaker 1: get us started. Doctor Brook Robinson from Black Economics dot

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Speaker 1: Org will join us. But first let's get Kevin to

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Speaker 1: open the classroom doors. It's Tuesday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin Grand.

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Speaker 2: Rising, Carl Nelson, hay Now, hay Now, it is what Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the sixteenth of December. As time just slips right through

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Speaker 2: your hands like trying to hold water, and it's just

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Speaker 2: a great morning. Though, man, I know, twenty one degrees.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's cold.

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Speaker 2: But it's something exhilarating about it. You know, it's it's wintertime,

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Speaker 2: it's the weather outside is kind of thing in moment.

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Speaker 2: That's the way I look at that. How are you feeling,

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Speaker 2: my man?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm still learning. Brother.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's one of your micro habits of success, isn't

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Speaker 2: it when you attributed.

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Speaker 1: To that, well, I think we all should be learning.

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Speaker 1: The more you know, the more you know, the more

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Speaker 1: you know, also know that you don't know.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah.

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Speaker 2: And they say as you age, gravity causes you to

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Speaker 2: be less curious. So it's a mindset that you say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to learn something new today. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: learn more about myself. I'm going to learn more about

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Speaker 2: my physicality, learn more about my finances, learn more about

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Speaker 2: my reading, for that matter, my consumerism, if you will.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, let me get off of that

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Speaker 2: soap box and throw out.

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Speaker 1: A curious mind. That's what we have.

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Speaker 2: That's what we have. A curious mind, exactly, critically curious

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Speaker 2: and speaking of critical ideas. DC Mayor Miria Bowser is

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Speaker 2: publicly defending Police Chief Pamela Smith against recent House Oversight

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Speaker 2: Committee accusations of manipulating crime data, stating she sees no

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Speaker 2: evidence of this and praising Smith's leadership in dramatically cutting

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Speaker 2: violent crime and homicides, while acknowledging Smith's resignation announcement effective

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Speaker 2: December thirty first, as a personal decision amidst ongoing federal scrutiny.

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Speaker 2: You're saying, what are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 1: Well, a couple of things, you know, because they put

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Speaker 1: claiming that the crime was skyrocketing, and I thought she

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Speaker 1: she waited for her, I guess, to die down. And

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Speaker 1: they claimed she adopted the reports because she came out

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Speaker 1: White House. He's saying, and you know, this is where

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Speaker 1: because people have personal stories. They went and found somebody

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Speaker 1: But she comes with figures, she comes with facts. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's where that was. And you know, I know,

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Speaker 1: if you got robbed, you got mugged, something happened to

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Speaker 2: And it just seems that it's hard to dispute crime

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Speaker 2: someone hijacked a person's car on Capitol Hill and now

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Speaker 2: So how do you pressure your supportin as what don't

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and the House Overside Committee recommended that Mayor

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, another slight takeover a little by little. We

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Speaker 2: Right, right, So you want to change the narrative, of course,

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Speaker 2: In other news man President Donald Trump's reaction to Rob

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Speaker 2: So no matter how heinous his actions of words, he's

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Speaker 2: whether they are grossly offensive. His words are offensive, nor

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Speaker 2: Trump derangement syndrome, which will surprise no one. And now

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Speaker 2: that's a disease that Donald Trump himself made up. But

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Speaker 2: his latest assault on decency came at an unprecedented moment

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Speaker 2: in political history. You know, he suffered revolts from the

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Speaker 2: he becomes a vocal critic of I don't know how

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Speaker 2: did good work. You know, his work is well documented.

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Speaker 2: The things he did, everything from All in the Family

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Speaker 1: Because you're a service guy, that's what, that's what, that's what. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why that appealed to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, because you're right. Well, I'm being psychoanalyzed here.

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Speaker 2: And Jack Nicholson was a Marine officer, and the Marines

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Speaker 1: You can't handle the truth. That's the truth. That is

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Speaker 2: A great body of work.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: When Harry met Sally, you know, that was interesting. It

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, those scenes will always be like like

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Speaker 2: And his son is in jail. He's accused of having

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Speaker 2: son was scheduled to be in the Spinal Tap to movie.

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Speaker 2: Nick in the second installment of it and the things

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Speaker 1: You know, it's and ourselves having a conversation someone recently

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Speaker 1: about this, Kevin. You know, high achieving adults parents, they

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Speaker 1: you know, children feel like they have to do better

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Speaker 1: That's my analysis, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, thank you, doctor Nelson. Finally, look Touberville calls

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Speaker 1: So all Islamic, every person who who is Islam, celebrates Islam,

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Speaker 2: And that's or do you say, do you go in

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Speaker 2: they use they're radicalized Islam. So he even quotes the Quran,

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Speaker 2: I think incorrectly, but he says the Quran says to

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Speaker 2: All right, then, well I'm going to get out of

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Speaker 2: your way on this sixteenth of December. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: your time, Carl. That's the way it is on this Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Kevin. Thirteen after talb I, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: our next guest is doctor Brooks Robinson and so he's

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Speaker 1: bought a friend with him as well. Grant rising, Doctor Robinson,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you, Amics and Nelson. You've already started a

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Speaker 6: great day. And actually I'm thinking about hanging around a

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Speaker 6: little bit to hear Baba la mom. But later today

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Speaker 6: he always, as you say, brings something interesting to the table.

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Speaker 6: But we really appreciate you having us on again, and

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Speaker 6: we have, as you know, doctor Brazier there, who's going

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Speaker 6: to join us this morning the whole let's discuss this

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Speaker 6: very important topic.

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Speaker 1: All right, Why don't you choose to douce doctor Fraser.

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Speaker 6: First, Doctor Robinson, Well, doctor Frazier, welcome to the Carl

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Speaker 6: Nelson Show. I guess would be the way to say it.

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Speaker 6: You know, doctor Fraser has a long history in Chicago

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Speaker 1: All right, Grand Rising.

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Speaker 7: Doctor Fraser, thank you very much, Grand Rising, thank you

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Speaker 8: Appreciate everything.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this, you know, talk about we were

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Speaker 1: Doctor Romson that you have, you the strategic long term

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's interesting this piece that we released

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Speaker 1: Weeks ago, and doctor Frasier, some people say that religions

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Speaker 7: Your thoughts, well, I would look at it in two

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, so an easy answer, okay. And I don't

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Speaker 6: But and he said you should question God. See people

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Speaker 6: And he said why should you question God? He said, God,

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Speaker 7: And you doctor Frasier, Well, if I go by scriptual

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Speaker 6: But if you read the books, especially the Quran, which

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Speaker 1: Doctor Gil Frasiers really says well talking about religions for

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Speaker 1: You know, we go to church more, we believe, go

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, I know this topic was pertaining to

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Speaker 7: go there. Do you want me to go there?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 1: All right, aready want to talk to you guys, doctor Robinson,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think doctor Fraser's trying to take

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Speaker 6: plan and just stay quickly. There's a chapter or sector

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Speaker 6: nine of them, but one of them is titled recreation,

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Speaker 6: Religion and culture. These are functions, but the point is

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Speaker 6: there is a connection between religion or morality and economics.

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Speaker 6: The father economics Adam Smith, the Britisher. He's from what

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Speaker 6: is now known as England is On. He wrote the

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Speaker 6: definitive work that he was the father of economics. He

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Speaker 6: wrote two major books. One is called The Wealth of

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Speaker 6: the Nations. That's the book that describes economics, its principles

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Speaker 6: and all of that. But before he wrote that book,

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Speaker 6: he understood the importance of having a moral base, or

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Speaker 6: a religious base on which the society would have to

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Speaker 6: operate if any economists functioned properly, and so he laid

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Speaker 6: that moral base with the book called the Theory of

447
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Speaker 6: Moral Sentiments. And then about twenty years later he wrote

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Speaker 6: The Wealth of Nations, which really outlines the economic system

449
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Speaker 6: economy that we kind of work with today in a

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Speaker 6: certain kind of way. Here's the reason why we are

451
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Speaker 6: dealing with this topic with respect to the long terms

452
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Speaker 6: to the name of Black of America, and that is religion.

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Speaker 6: Then they shapes the mind, right, shapes the mind. And

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Speaker 6: that's where we need to start to bring lack of

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Speaker 6: the art together. We need to look at how we

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Speaker 6: think about almost every aspect of our life and then

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Speaker 6: figure out what is the best way to think about it,

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Speaker 6: incorporate that into a religious system, which is just a

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Speaker 6: practice of how you live your life. In my In

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Speaker 6: my view, that's how I find it really did how

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Speaker 6: you live your life. And then once we get the

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Speaker 6: mind right, what we've been saying is we get the

463
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Speaker 6: mind right and then everything else falls in place. And

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Speaker 6: getting the mind right, one of the best places to

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Speaker 6: start is the belief system.

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Speaker 1: Got you hold that thar that twenty eight away from

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Speaker 1: the top, as I make sure you got some folks

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Speaker 1: want to speak with you guys already if you just

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Speaker 1: checking in family, doctor Robinson, is I guess Doctor Frasier's

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Speaker 1: I tell my religion is connection to economics? What are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts? Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six. Get you in Marcus calling from Baltimore's

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Speaker 1: online to Grand Rise in Market on with doctor Robinson

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Speaker 1: and doctor Frasier.

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Speaker 5: Yes, good morning. First of all, when I wish you

476
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Speaker 5: all your listens are happy, honeker. Today is the third

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Speaker 5: day of the Jewish Eighty Day Jewish Festival, which goes

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Speaker 5: to next Monday, de Sember twenty second. During the day

479
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Speaker 5: fascinating discussion, I had a question in our Jewish faith system.

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Speaker 5: We have several African American and you know, people what

481
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Speaker 5: we call Jews of color who have converted to our

482
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Speaker 5: religion of Judaism as religious faith. So have you done

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Speaker 5: a study more deeply into why some African Americans are

484
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Speaker 5: becoming Jewish religiously speaking? You know, I myself, I am

485
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Speaker 5: a born Jews. It's a bit different, but there are

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Speaker 5: some who do convert to join Jewish faith. So have

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Speaker 5: you done a study on it? And what do you

488
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Speaker 5: think about that? Going back to our ancient religious ways?

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Speaker 10: Thank him?

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Speaker 6: Well, I'll start doctor you know mind, I'm sure you

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Speaker 6: have something to add. Well, what we know is the

492
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Speaker 6: Hebrew faith, you know. Uh, that's so that's in North

493
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Speaker 6: East African phenomena. I mean there are people still today

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Speaker 6: in UH in Eastern Africa that practice the old systems

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Speaker 6: that the old Jewish tradition first initiated. So, uh, there's

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Speaker 6: a longstanding history of black people, African people being used.

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Speaker 6: And what's the an connection to the United States of America. Well,

498
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Speaker 6: most people have the false understanding that all of the

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Speaker 6: black people, all of the Africans that are in the

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Speaker 6: America today, came from the west coast of Africa. That's false.

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Speaker 6: There's a there's significant evidence that some of the people

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Speaker 6: that are in the America today, both in North, central

503
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Speaker 6: and South America, UH, have well originally originated from East Africa.

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Speaker 6: They found boats recently at the southern tip of Africa

505
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Speaker 6: had come all around from the East side on their

506
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Speaker 6: way to the Western hemisphere, probably maying some people who

507
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Speaker 6: made it very weller than Jewish. So there's a long

508
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Speaker 6: sunderstanding history of African people being Jewish. And I don't

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Speaker 6: get to another point later about the connection, but go

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Speaker 6: ahead and UH give way now to doctor Fraser aker

511
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Speaker 6: comments about this.

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Speaker 7: Okay, So to Dove tell off of what doctor Brooks said,

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Speaker 7: I would say right now, as black people, many black

514
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Speaker 7: people are on the journey of discovery. It's like who

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Speaker 7: am i?

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Speaker 9: Okay?

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Speaker 7: And because of the separation from the continent of Africa

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Speaker 7: and and and also the other things that have happened

519
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Speaker 7: on our journey in life throughout this track here in

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Speaker 7: the United States and so forth, it's like I would say,

521
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Speaker 7: it's an awakening that's coming to many people. And when

522
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Speaker 7: you're in the area or are you looking for yourself

523
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Speaker 7: trying to discover you who you are, because oftentimes people

524
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Speaker 7: try to separate your natural man from the spirit man,

525
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Speaker 7: and you can't do that. So naturally, you know, we

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Speaker 7: have our physical flesh, but spiritually we have an entity

527
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Speaker 7: that's on the inside called spirit. And so when you're

528
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Speaker 7: on a journey, that spirit on the inside is leading

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Speaker 7: you to find, to search out, to seek out. And

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Speaker 7: so right now, many people and many people that I

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Speaker 7: know are also looking at the Hebrew roots, you know,

532
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Speaker 7: and it's called on this particular space, it's called Messianic

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Speaker 7: for those that are looking and seeking and searching. So

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Speaker 7: there are many things that you can ascribe to this,

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Speaker 7: but this is one of the things that I would say,

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Speaker 7: the journey and trying to discover oneself, and a lot

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Speaker 7: of times. This is how you have to go when

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Speaker 7: you're trying to discover yourself. So that's pretty much you know,

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Speaker 7: my comment on it.

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Speaker 1: And doctor Frey, that's the next one point of twenty

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Speaker 1: four away from the top of that I know thyself.

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Speaker 1: That's what's what asked. Scholars tell us that most of

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Speaker 1: our people who are on that journey don't know who

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Speaker 1: they are. Make the question, if you know who you are,

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Speaker 1: would you be on that journey? Would you need to

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Speaker 1: take a journey to discover if you are? If you

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Speaker 1: already know who you are, if you know that your

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Speaker 1: your African you mentioned I think doctor Romson mentioned the

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Speaker 1: Africans were here, and well not all Africans came into

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Speaker 1: slave trade, but everyone, every single person on this planet

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Speaker 1: came from Africa, doesn't matter what time they come. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the problem that we get caught up in

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Speaker 1: the in the sequence of when we appeared on these shores.

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Speaker 1: But my question, and I'll let you guys respond when

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Speaker 1: we get back. And also Clifford Connecticut has another question

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Speaker 1: for you, because we got to check the news. But

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Speaker 1: the question is if you already know who you are,

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Speaker 1: if you already know what that's you're African, and that

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Speaker 1: goes to probably if you want to spread it around,

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Speaker 1: every every person on this planet is in Africa. That's

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Speaker 1: where mankind started, So it doesn't matter. You know. Part

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Speaker 1: of our problem is that we just see ourselves between

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Speaker 1: the borders of the United States and we just think

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Speaker 1: when we got here, when our ancestors got here, but

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Speaker 1: our answerts were all we populated the planet, So it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter what time we got here. So family we

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Speaker 1: get back. I'll let you answer that for us at

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Speaker 1: doctor Frasier, doctor Rompson, climb in and we'll also talk

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Speaker 1: to A Cliff as well. And if you too out

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Speaker 1: there want to join this conversation, reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy

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Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls. After the news

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Speaker 1: trafficking weather that's next, and Grand Rising family, thanks of

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Speaker 1: waking up with us on this Tuesday morning. That's sixteen

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Speaker 1: minutes away from the top of the out with our guest,

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Speaker 1: doctor Brooks Robson. You've heard him before, the founder and

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Speaker 1: the chief of contributor to Black Economics dot org. And

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Speaker 1: also he's brought along with our guests this morning, doctor Reverend,

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Speaker 1: doctor Frasier, we're talking about religion, religion for a Black America,

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Speaker 1: African Americans. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four or

581
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Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seven six will catch you in

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Speaker 1: before we go back there. Let me just remind you.

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Speaker 1: Coming up later this morning, Grill Baba Lamumba works out

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Speaker 1: of a moja house in Washington, DC, will be here

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Speaker 1: before we get to Baba Lamumba investigative journalist, the reporter

586
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Speaker 1: Jeff Gallup who shares some of the stories he's working on.

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Speaker 1: He works in the central Florida area, and also coming

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Speaker 1: up later this week, you're in here from chematologists the

589
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Speaker 1: Tony Browner, also a musician, musician, metaphysician, and master herbalist.

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Speaker 1: Doctor b will be here. So if you are in Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: make sure you keep you right of locked in real

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Speaker 1: tight on ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV,

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Speaker 1: we're on fourteen fifty WOL. All right, Doctor Frasian, Doctor Robinson.

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Speaker 1: Before we left for the break, question to you because

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Speaker 1: doctor Frasian mentioned we're on a journey, the journey of discovery.

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Speaker 1: If we already know who we are, that we're Africa.

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Speaker 1: Everybody came, you know, doesn't matter if you come the

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Speaker 1: East coast, west coast of Africa. You got here yesterday today,

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Speaker 1: or you got here last week, or your ancestors here,

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Speaker 1: or you wrote over before the Mayfi, before the transitlank

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Speaker 1: staves there, You're still African. So doctor Frasier, can you

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Speaker 1: address that for me, because you said people are trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out who they are?

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Speaker 7: Okay, so then the thing is you said that we're

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Speaker 7: still African, and of course that's true, but what does

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Speaker 7: that mean? What does it mean to say that you're

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Speaker 7: African in terms of values, more rays, economics, so forth

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Speaker 7: and so on, and that has not been defined clearly.

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Speaker 7: Because we who are of African descent, we are African.

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Speaker 7: We know that's in our blood, that's in our DNA.

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Speaker 7: We had our African DNA trace and all of that.

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Speaker 7: But the essence, because it's more than just knowing, it's

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Speaker 7: just it's more than just a knowing, Sam, well, I'm

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Speaker 7: from this place. But when you look at your inner self,

615
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Speaker 7: where am I going, what am I doing? Why am

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Speaker 7: I here? There are all those types of questions. That's

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Speaker 7: a part of the discovery. So it's not just trying

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Speaker 7: to discover where is the land? Where am I from?

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Speaker 7: You know, I mean, it's much more deeper than that.

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Speaker 7: And if I could just add something else to that.

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Speaker 7: That's one of the challenges that our young people have

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Speaker 7: today are black young males and females. They don't know

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Speaker 7: who they are. And that's more than just saying I'm

624
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Speaker 7: of African descent or I'm from Africa. It's knowing who

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Speaker 7: you are, why you would create, why do you exist?

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Speaker 7: And so that's another conversation, I guess for another day.

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Speaker 7: But it's much deeper than just saying I'm from this country.

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Speaker 8: So yes, that's that's pretty much it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Robinson.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Doctor frangerates some interesting points. But I think that

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Speaker 6: I even like to go deeper than that. Okay, what

632
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Speaker 6: do I mean? I go back to the religious literature,

633
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Speaker 6: and this is what the Quran says, and it countervails

634
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Speaker 6: Christianity somewhat because when you read the Quran, whether they're

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Speaker 6: reading the Torah from you know, the Christian point of

636
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Speaker 6: view or the Hebrew point of view, or the Angel

637
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Speaker 6: or the New Testament, there's this idea of thin the

638
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 6: unworthiness of man and woman because of you know that

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Speaker 6: that little incident in the guarden. But here's the point.

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Speaker 6: The Quran says this, And you could think about a

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Speaker 6: baby being born in the world today, how can I

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Speaker 6: baby have sinned? And so the Koran says, hey, everybody

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Speaker 6: who is born initially, if you don't put them in

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Speaker 6: a society, and if they could survive on their own,

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Speaker 6: what are they going to be or what are they

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Speaker 6: at the core? The answer is they're going to just

647
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Speaker 6: lend in with the creation, you see. So what the

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Speaker 6: Quran basically says is we are all Muslims in the

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Speaker 6: sense that we submit to the will of God, which

650
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Speaker 6: means that we align ourselves. We don't countervail, we don't

651
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Speaker 6: act in opposition to the principles, the laws and the

652
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Speaker 6: rules of the creation. So that's the important point to me.

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Speaker 6: We're all basically good people until we come into a

654
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Speaker 6: society that has all kinds of biases and you know,

655
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Speaker 6: problems and issues that we buy into, and then that

656
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Speaker 6: creates the problem. One other point that is very important,

657
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Speaker 6: that's align with the point just made. The Quran is

658
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Speaker 6: even more specific than that. It says, point blank, Ibrahim

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Speaker 6: or Abraham, who is you know, the father of Judaism

660
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Speaker 6: in a sense, they adopted him the Christians as well.

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Speaker 6: They recognized Abraham as being central to the Christian faith.

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Speaker 11: The Quran said, wait a minute.

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Speaker 6: Either he even existed even before Judaism. Either he existed

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Speaker 6: long the wor Christianity, and he existed therefore is not

665
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Speaker 6: what did he do? He's related to the world of God.

666
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Speaker 6: What did he do? The angels came and told him

667
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Speaker 6: to do certain things because of the circumstances, what did

668
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Speaker 6: he He got up and did them. So when we

669
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Speaker 6: operate an alliance or in alignment with the rules, the

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Speaker 6: principles and the laws of creation, there was just just

671
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Speaker 6: being good people, but were submitting to the word of God,

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Speaker 6: which is what Islam is all about. Why because we

673
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Speaker 6: want to have peace, We just want to have you.

674
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Speaker 6: We just want a pleasant and peaceful life. So I

675
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Speaker 6: think that's the way we look at it. And I

676
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Speaker 6: think one final point is this whole process that we're

677
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Speaker 6: talking out here is not to reconstruct all of the

678
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Speaker 6: religious aspects of the denominations that exist today in the

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Speaker 6: in the context of bringing black people together under a

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Speaker 6: unified umbrella. It's about trying to form an administrative body

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Speaker 6: that brings us together in a certain way with some

682
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Speaker 6: variation uh. You know across the various uh uh groups

683
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Speaker 6: that operate under a religious tradition what they call sex right.

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Speaker 6: You got the air media, you know, you got the

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Speaker 6: uh you got the Methodists, you know African Methodists, you

686
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Speaker 6: got the far Me, you got the Baptists, Southern Baptists,

687
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Speaker 6: you got uh bactors US and you got all these groups.

688
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Speaker 6: But if you can bring them on one or umbrella

689
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Speaker 6: uh administratively unify them tool resources, think more strategic about

690
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Speaker 6: how all of these religious groups can operate together to

691
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Speaker 6: improve outcomes of Black America. That's what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 1: Got you ten away from the top FAI family. If

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Speaker 1: you're just checking in, doctor Romsey that you just heard,

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Speaker 1: you've heard of here before. Doctor Brooks Robinson from Black

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Speaker 1: Economics dot always brought along a guest with them, revend

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Speaker 1: doctor Fraser this morning talking about religion high religion equates

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Speaker 1: the economy economics actually trying to connect some dots here.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight to seventy six.

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Speaker 1: Cliffs calling us from Connecticut. He's online, three grand rising, Cliff,

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on all your.

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Speaker 4: Call them to your guests. I think you're right on

702
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: point in terms of is there a god? And when

703
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Speaker 4: we talking about religion, where I believe that the question

704
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Speaker 4: is is there a superior being that exists? And let

705
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Speaker 4: me start off fights and let me say this and

706
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Speaker 4: see if it makes any sense. All of us know

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Speaker 4: that we have pets or somebody that owns a pet, right,

708
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Speaker 4: so that cat or that dog does not know the

709
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: same superior being that we do. We are that superior

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Speaker 4: being to that pet. So meaning that we care for

711
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Speaker 4: that pet, that pet, we take care of that that

712
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Speaker 4: that pat looks at us as being its god. So

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Speaker 4: I would say that as human beings, there is an

714
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Speaker 4: existence that's the same way. It's superior. It takes care

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Speaker 4: of us, and we look at this being as being

716
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Speaker 4: our god, being superior. So to move forward, the thing

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Speaker 4: is is that our existence or our god the one

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Speaker 4: that created us?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: Is it different from other people?

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Speaker 8: So?

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Speaker 4: I think you mentioned brother Counsel, your first caller, that

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Speaker 4: we are the original people black people, and Judaism is

724
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Speaker 4: a religion, not an ethnicity. So we talk about Hebrews

725
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Speaker 4: and blackness. We are the your original people. Now we

726
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Speaker 4: might have different tribes in our blackness. But I think

727
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Speaker 4: the same question is who is our God? And right

728
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Speaker 4: now to bring it deeper and to bring closure to this,

729
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Speaker 4: there are now hearings and you have people in law

730
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Speaker 4: enforcement and these hearings now trying to say that there

731
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Speaker 4: are other beings that exist. UFOs apused. So my question

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Speaker 4: is to your guests, could these entities could be no exist?

733
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Speaker 4: But the government has not come out and and testify,

734
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Speaker 4: and they have no come out and confirm are these

735
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Speaker 4: other beings? Could they be our gods?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 6: Hey, as a brother was on one of the earlier

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Speaker 6: programs that I participated in, and so I recognize his voice,

739
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Speaker 6: and he does bring to the table some tenor trading questions.

740
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Speaker 6: I'm not an expert on that, so I'm not going

741
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Speaker 6: to try to venture to provide some you know, wise analysis.

742
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Speaker 6: But I've read a little bit about the on anarchy.

743
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Speaker 6: You know, people say that the on anarchy is gay.

744
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Speaker 6: I think that's how you pronounced it, that they came

745
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Speaker 6: from from elsewhere.

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Speaker 10: You know.

747
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Speaker 6: So, but I don't look at the being he says,

748
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Speaker 6: being our gods. What I look at is what Abram,

749
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Speaker 6: you know, I think about what Abram said said, hey, look,

750
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Speaker 6: he looked at the moon. He said, that's beautiful. They said, well,

751
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Speaker 6: but that's not a god. He looked at the sun.

752
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Speaker 6: He said, oh, that's wonderful, powerful, it's you know, it

753
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Speaker 6: keeps life going on the planet. Wow, that's powerful. But

754
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Speaker 6: that's not God. The question is who made all of that?

755
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Speaker 6: Who is the creative at all? And when you really

756
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Speaker 6: think about it, I think you have to come to

757
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 6: the following conclusion, and that is, whoever created the creation

758
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Speaker 6: put it all together in a very systematic way, that

759
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Speaker 6: it all functions perfectly in a sense, and that that

760
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Speaker 6: entity put itself also into everything that's there or that

761
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Speaker 6: it's here. I'll make one other point and then, you know,

762
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Speaker 6: to give way to doctor Frazier. You know what was

763
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Speaker 6: interesting I was talking about this, We were talking about

764
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Speaker 6: it recently when the Europeans came to Africa and they

765
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Speaker 6: denigrated us in a very horristic way. They said, oh,

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Speaker 6: these people are animist. They worshiped the river, they worshiped

767
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Speaker 6: the trees, they worshiped the rocks, the mountains. We're rolling

768
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Speaker 6: these people, you know, can't they understand the Christian God?

769
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Speaker 6: And then the thought came in the following way. In

770
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Speaker 6: parts of the Bible it talks about I think Jesus

771
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Speaker 6: is the one who said people were talking to him, oh,

772
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Speaker 6: we love God, we love God.

773
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Speaker 8: Jesus love God.

774
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Speaker 6: And Jesus said to them, he said, look, how can

775
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Speaker 6: you say you love God and you have not seen

776
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Speaker 6: and you don't even love your brother. The analogy is this,

777
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Speaker 6: the Africans said, probably said to themselves, and I'm just

778
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Speaker 6: you know, kind of anticipating here are kind of rising

779
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Speaker 6: here that they knew about the great God, the one

780
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Speaker 6: who produced and created all this. But who was close

781
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Speaker 6: to them? What was close to them that they could

782
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Speaker 6: understand God's existence in?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

784
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the rivers got the water, and rivers that you know,

785
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Speaker 6: kept them, kept them from being thirsty, the trees with

786
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Speaker 6: berries and fruits our own cans. Who knows what they

787
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 6: found us in their life, but see, those are the

788
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Speaker 6: things close to them that they could identify with directly.

789
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Speaker 6: So they love those things. And who are trying to

790
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Speaker 6: reach way high and understand that did God? I think

791
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Speaker 6: that's a beautiful analogy that came, and I think people

792
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Speaker 6: might want to consider that as way of looking at,

793
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Speaker 6: you know, how we operate and what we think about

794
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 6: God and our people right here together with us on

795
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Speaker 6: the planet. Let's get it all together, think about it

796
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Speaker 6: systematically and just live a peaceful life. But first of all,

797
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Speaker 6: do with each other properly and then think about the bigger,

798
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Speaker 6: you know, broader, more dramatic picture.

799
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Speaker 1: Well, doctor Phrase, hold you your response. We got to

800
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Speaker 1: step aside and get caught up with the ladies' trafficking

801
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Speaker 1: weather at different cities, and I'll let you respond when

802
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Speaker 1: we get back. Family due too. You've got a question

803
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: for either I guess that doctor Robinson or doctor Fraser.

804
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: You know how to reach us eight hundred four five

805
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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take it calls

806
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Speaker 1: after the trafficking weather. That's next. Family, Thanks for starting

807
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Speaker 1: your Tuesday with us. And I guess that doctor Brooks

808
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Speaker 1: Robson from economics dot org. And also he's brought a

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Speaker 1: guest with them, doctor Fraser, Reverend doctor Fraser. And before

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Speaker 1: we left for the traffic update, the Cliffin Connecticut posed

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Speaker 1: the question and they're responding to that. So doctor Frasher,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you respond to Cliff's question.

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Speaker 7: Sure, and thank you so much regarding what mister Cliffs

814
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Speaker 7: had indicated. One of the things that I would say,

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Speaker 7: and I'm just going to quote this person who had

816
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Speaker 7: written his name as doctor Kevin Connor and says doctor

817
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Speaker 7: and received believed in practice determines a person's character, behavior,

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Speaker 7: and destiny. And so even in the question or the

819
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Speaker 7: comment that was made that goes back to what I

820
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Speaker 7: initially said, that black people are on discovery, that we

821
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Speaker 7: are actually as a people trying to find out who

822
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Speaker 7: we are in relationship to God. Now I want to

823
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Speaker 7: also go back to what was something said previously relative

824
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Speaker 7: to you know, us being good people and so forth

825
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Speaker 7: and so on. Scripturally, according to the Bible, it says

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Speaker 7: that you must be born again. So being born again

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Speaker 7: is being is not saying that everybody's good. Being born

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Speaker 7: again means your life has to be transformed, and so

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Speaker 7: everybody's lives may not be transformed. And so this discovery,

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Speaker 7: the prayer is that everybody would ultimately be able to

831
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Speaker 7: get into that space where their lives can be transformed.

832
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Speaker 7: But again it also goes back further that all gods

833
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Speaker 7: are not the same, and all gods in the specific religions,

834
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Speaker 7: let's say the monotheistic religions are not the same in

835
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Speaker 7: the eyes of the believers who practice those religions. The

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Speaker 7: other one is that is necessary. And that's the reason

837
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Speaker 7: why we were talking initially about trying to galvanize around

838
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Speaker 7: certain components such as economics, morality, and those things, because

839
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Speaker 7: those things can be teased out. Even if you look

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Speaker 7: at the Ten Commandments, okay, and the ten command as

841
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 7: it talks about not killing, not stealing, those are moral

842
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 7: issues and things of how we engage with one another.

843
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Speaker 7: In addition to that, financially economically we can if we

844
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Speaker 7: can galvanize around okay, we need economic empowerment, let's tease

845
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Speaker 7: out those things that we believe in and work towards

846
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Speaker 7: that end, as opposed to saying that it's one specific,

847
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Speaker 7: because it will never be an agreement on which God

848
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Speaker 7: is God unless you, by revelation know it in the

849
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Speaker 7: spirit real. And that's something that many people may not

850
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 7: ever come to understanding in that way that other people

851
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 7: may think they should think. So if we could, could

852
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 7: you know, ajail everything in terms of economics, we agree, okay,

853
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 7: all of us have a structure saying, okay, we agree

854
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Speaker 7: to this particular principle of economics, morality, how we treat

855
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Speaker 7: one another, how we engage one another and and on

856
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 7: along those things. Then at least we would have some

857
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 7: type of guideline that everybody could ascribe to. So this

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Speaker 7: conversation can really go on because it gets to be

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00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 7: so deep and it's it's not superficial, you know. Uh,

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Speaker 7: it really can be very deep, and it would take

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Speaker 7: time to tease out the different uh you know, and

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Speaker 7: nuanced different things to be able to really do it

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Speaker 7: in the right way, to be able.

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Speaker 8: To give it some justice and credence and so forth.

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Speaker 1: So my comment, thank you, Doctor Fraser. Five after time,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you Jeff Galav's gonna join us. Jeff

867
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Speaker 1: is an investigative reporter in central Florida and speaking about

868
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Speaker 1: Florida Averyone wants to join the conversation. He's calling from Tallahassee,

869
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Speaker 1: the state capital. He's online too, Grand Rise in Avery

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Speaker 1: with doctor Robson and doctor Fraser.

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00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 13: Good morning to everyone, and shout out to my big brother,

872
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 13: doctor Brooks Robinson. He knows we have this and a

873
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 13: brother in I'm so fortunate to be with all of

874
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 13: you this morning. And so my question is what does

875
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 13: love have to do with it?

876
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 5: And beyond?

877
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 10: From a team Eternal perspective. But as I've.

878
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Speaker 13: Heard the one, as I heard everyone partifiicate this morning,

879
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 13: it reminded me of Maga Excellence. Yes, Marga Make America

880
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 13: got me again because it took me to our roots

881
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 13: in three or six.

882
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 10: In south west.

883
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 13: Gainsville, about two miles from the University of Florida on

884
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Speaker 13: the west side, two miles on the east side to

885
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 13: the newly created Natorade Museum. And as we were growing up,

886
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 13: we grew up with a thought process and the principle

887
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 13: that was lived out that without that, faith without works

888
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 13: is dead. We were taught growing up something beyond religion.

889
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 13: It was relationship and down the relationship is both horizontal

890
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 13: and vertical because the pillars of the law hangs on

891
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 13: a love for God and a love for one another.

892
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 13: And so as I continue to grow mature, Reverend doctor

893
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 13: Frasier uh and to be born again, which means that, look,

894
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 13: nobody chooses their parents. A baby does not form itself.

895
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 13: The decision is made for him for her. But I

896
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Speaker 13: leave with this that if it ain't love, it ain't God,

897
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Speaker 13: because God is loved.

898
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Avery, Doctor Fraser. You want to

899
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Speaker 1: respond first, and then we'll let doctor Robson.

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Speaker 7: I agree one hundred percent. As a matter of fact,

901
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 7: the Bible says that love is kind, merciful, gracious, long suffering, temperance,

902
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 7: All of those things are attributes of love. But summoning

903
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 7: everything up as saying that you should love the Lord

904
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 7: your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength,

905
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 7: and love your neighbor as yourself. That's what all of

906
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 7: the law and the prophets hang on love. And so

907
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 7: being able to understand the concept of love is a practice.

908
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 7: It's not a verbal assent or anything like that. You

909
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 7: practice this, and that means you're intentional about being kind

910
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 7: and merciful and and all of those things that that

911
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 7: are the attributes of love. And so when we understand

912
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Speaker 7: and have a clarity that that love is the one

913
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 7: that unifies, love is the thing that emboldens us and

914
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 7: and and and and all of the things that we

915
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Speaker 7: need to do, the love for our people should be

916
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 7: sufficient enough to to for the most part, in the

917
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 7: sense of connecting these dots of how do we work together?

918
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 8: How do we work together?

919
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 7: But then scripturally it also is a passage that says,

920
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 7: how can two walk together? Since they be agreed? So

921
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 7: that part again I'm going to go back to, is

922
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 7: that we have to come in alignment with those things

923
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 7: that we agree on. What do we agree on and

924
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 7: so if we say we can agree on this, that

925
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Speaker 7: we can operate through that understanding.

926
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Speaker 6: All right, Yeah, this is very deep and we can't

927
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 6: cover it today, but I will say very quickly the following. Yeah,

928
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 6: love is important, and work can divine love in a

929
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 6: variety of ways. But what comes to mind is the following.

930
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 6: If you love each other totally and completely, which is difficult,

931
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 6: can be difficult to do, then yes, you're going to

932
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 6: do the right thing. And if you do the right thing,

933
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 6: as Adam Smith said back in the eighteenth century when

934
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 6: you wrote the Theory of Moral Sentiments, if everybody is

935
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 6: living in that kind of loving framework, then the economy

936
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 6: is going to work well together. And for black people,

937
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 6: the most important thing it would mean is that we

938
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 6: would trust. See, you got to bring that word trust in.

939
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 6: If you love each other, you love each other to feel,

940
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 6: you know, confident enough and trusting enough to be willing

941
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 6: to be hurt a little bit and to be uh,

942
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 6: you know, willing to be open a little bit. Uh,

943
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 6: And that's what's required for us to then come together

944
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 6: in that trust and from trust to build unity or

945
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 6: Moja and gonna have the man from Moji house here

946
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 6: later today, right ansis and uh. And once we get

947
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 6: that unity, then we can organize ourselves in the most

948
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 6: efficient way. And all we're talking about in this whole

949
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 6: analysis on inquiring concerning of Black American religion is how

950
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Speaker 6: can we use religion the most important, the second most

951
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 6: important institution in Black America, second to the family. How

952
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 6: can we use it? Most people are using it as

953
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 6: a business. Let's use it as a framework to unify

954
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 6: under one umbrella. Bring the love, you know, don't worry

955
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 6: about fine tuning all the religious aspects of it, but

956
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 6: bring all these organizations together, pool our resources, and use

957
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 6: it as a unifying force that can then help us

958
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 6: move forward. And with the technology today, I think we

959
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 6: could we could have a winner if we did that.

960
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 6: If the leadership was right and we took that perspective,

961
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 6: I think we grow a lot, and I think we've

962
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 6: improved things for ourselves as opposed to sitting around and

963
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 6: waiting for other people to do it. Worse.

964
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: Gotcha listen, we got a step side and bring up

965
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: Jeff Gallup he's an investigative reporter. He's on deck. Before

966
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: we let both of you guys go at your punning

967
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: words for us this morning.

968
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Speaker 7: Doctor Fraser first, well, I'm first, I'm honored to be

969
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 7: on I'm grateful. I really appreciate this opportunity to share.

970
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 7: We all agree that this sick gets to be very,

971
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 7: very deep, but it's very thought provoking. And my prayer

972
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 7: is for those who at least listening in that they

973
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 7: will have the opportunity to sit back and reflect and

974
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 7: just just consider what's been said. And you know, of course,

975
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 7: we know that our destiny and everything depends on us

976
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 7: being unified as a people, if not just for ourselves,

977
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 7: but for our posterity, because the children and the things

978
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 7: that they're going through right now, they have to know better,

979
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 7: and so they have to know better, they have to

980
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 7: have a better in their lives. So if we can

981
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 7: agree and come together along the lines that we have

982
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 7: been speaking on, then I believe we'll be on a

983
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 7: good start.

984
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 8: Thank you.

985
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I will just say quickly, because I know

986
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 6: you have to move on to the next guest, that

987
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 6: all of this, as I said, is fine. We should

988
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 6: think just quickly that religion has become you know, churches

989
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 6: and must have become marginally businesses, right, and so mergers

990
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 6: and acquisitions happen all the time. Why not take that

991
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 6: approach as far as church organizations. Keep the religious part

992
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 6: of it, yes, the morality part of it, you know,

993
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 6: the kindness to the trust and all of that. But

994
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 6: let's organize around something that can unifize trust and religious

995
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 6: organizations or institutions and then build from that. Get the

996
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 6: mindset right under that umbrella, and then we can make

997
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 6: real big progress. But we've got to have someplace to start,

998
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 6: and this seems like one of the most effications places

999
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 6: to start, all right.

1000
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: I thank both of you. If folks want to reach you,

1001
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: doctor Romson, first, how can they reach you they want

1002
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: to continue this discussion.

1003
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 6: Well, they can reach me and and doctor Fraser through

1004
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 6: uh the lt S T f B a website that

1005
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 6: is the long Term Strategic Plan for Black America l

1006
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 6: T S T s B A dot org. And if

1007
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 6: they go to that website and they can they'll see,

1008
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 6: you know, waste the contact us there. And then of

1009
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 6: course this idea came from our particular website, Black Economics

1010
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 6: dot org. Uh, So they can reach us in either

1011
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 6: of those two places, and we'll be certain to pass

1012
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 6: on the information to doctor Fraser, who's very much integrated

1013
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 6: with the lt S t F B A. And uh,

1014
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 6: we can continue discussing and maybe come back at a

1015
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 6: later point to add to uh, you know what what says.

1016
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 10: That here today?

1017
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do that for bet. Thank you, Thank you guys,

1018
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us this morning, and thank you

1019
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: for all of the from you shared with the family.

1020
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 7: Thank you for having us.

1021
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 8: Appreciate you so much. Slush you, bye bye.

1022
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: All right, thirteen out, that's off that, Jeff Gallup, and

1023
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: thank you for being so patient with us. Grand Rising,

1024
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: welcome back to the program.

1025
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 10: Hey, Grand Rising, good to be here, and thank you.

1026
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: Jeff is an investigative reporter journalist. He works out of

1027
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: Central Florida and he's been working in some stories.

1028
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 14: You know.

1029
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: One of the reasons we have, Jeff on, there's some

1030
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: stores that take place in some of these small towns

1031
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: and never get they never get talked about, never make

1032
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: the big the big news. Mainstream media really attacks. But

1033
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: you're saying that there's a fresh wave of youth finance

1034
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: in in your air in Central Florida.

1035
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, absolutely, just just tragic stories about like, for example,

1036
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 10: a young fifteen year old girl back in November who

1037
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 10: was out with a couple of friends, including her boyfriend.

1038
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 10: They went out to in the broad daylight, went out

1039
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 10: to a restaurant to get an order of chicken wings

1040
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 10: and French fries, and uh, the young man comes up,

1041
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 10: he sees them, He comes back, brings a friend and

1042
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 10: they block the young lady in. She's in the car

1043
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 10: and her friends and they began shooting and they killed her.

1044
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 10: We also had a thirteen year old who was arrested

1045
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 10: and charged with first degree murder because basically he carried

1046
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 10: out a boxed robbery of another young man, actually a

1047
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 10: guy who was thirty years old, who was apparently using,

1048
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 10: according to the police, some type of dating site or

1049
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 10: the social media site to make contact with someone in

1050
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 10: that particular community up in Coco. The young thirteen year

1051
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 10: old went up to the truck and according to police,

1052
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 10: shot him and with the man's last breast. He called

1053
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 10: nine one one to say that he had been robbed.

1054
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 10: But we have other cases out there as well.

1055
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: Wow, hold on, thought right there, Jeff, Jeff, right there,

1056
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: fifteen year old fifteen minutes off the top a thirteen

1057
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: year old thirteen.

1058
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 10: Thirteen year old and it's this is in Coco, Florida.

1059
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 10: And you know, Coco, Florida is a community in Florida

1060
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 10: that has had some issues before. Like other communities, you know,

1061
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 10: it happens. This one was particularly shocking because again someone

1062
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 10: from outside the community, the thirty year old man, uh,

1063
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 10: for whatever reason, he had been contacting someone there and

1064
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 10: drove into that community. The young man thirteen, he was

1065
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 10: communicating with someone else who told him to carry out

1066
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 10: this particular situation. The tragic is what it is, especially

1067
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 10: when you see this photo.

1068
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the common denominator here that was going back

1069
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: to the web again. What website you know, brought them

1070
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: to these two together, can you do?

1071
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 10: You know? Yeah, And that's that's something that actually is

1072
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 10: happening a lot, not just here in Florida, but it

1073
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 10: happens something in the DC area, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas. And uh,

1074
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Speaker 10: it's a young man of being robbed. Young you know,

1075
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 10: they sometimes they go to hotels hoping to get together

1076
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Speaker 10: with other people, including young ladies and robbery and suite

1077
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Speaker 10: in some case dating site, well like a meating of

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Speaker 10: social media for lack of a better term hookup site.

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Speaker 10: That is, uh, that is what we're talking about. And

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Speaker 10: in this case, and this particular case here in Coco.

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Speaker 10: You know, I talked to his grandmother, and she's a

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Speaker 10: sweet lady, church going lady who had mission mission trips

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Speaker 10: all over the world.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 10: She from all that she knows is that someone killed

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Speaker 10: her grandson, and and and and that was it. She

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Speaker 10: thought he was going out to meet some friends. And

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Speaker 10: that's all she knew, you know.

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Speaker 1: So he was he was online, Uh, trolling for for

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Speaker 1: for friends that companish? It was it for? Was it

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Speaker 1: a gay? Was it straight? I think it's part of

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Speaker 1: the story needs to be told. A thirteen year old

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Speaker 1: online is trying to get a hook up with another

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Speaker 1: was another man? The woman who Jeff help us out.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, well, I'm looking at the clock. I'll

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Speaker 1: let you respond that when we get back. We got

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Speaker 1: to take a short break from an interesting conversation. I guess.

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Speaker 1: There's Jeff Gallup. He's an investigative reporter, just all these researchers.

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Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of stories that he's working on

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Speaker 1: in Central Florida, and we'd like to bring them to

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Speaker 1: you because some of these stories that you hear from Jeff,

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Speaker 1: they're all across the country, but they never get reported,

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Speaker 1: and the usually they're in our communities. You want to

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Speaker 1: join our discussion with Jeff, reach out to us at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

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Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising

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Speaker 1: Families in Facts are starting your day with us at

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Speaker 1: twenty one minutes after the top of the eye with

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Speaker 1: I guess that Jeff Gallop. Jeff is an investigative journalist.

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Speaker 1: He was a reporter works out of Central Florida, usually

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Speaker 1: covering some of the things that take place in some

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Speaker 1: of these in small town America, and it happens all

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Speaker 1: across the country, but they never get reported. And this

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Speaker 1: one to me just sort of stood out. When you're

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Speaker 1: a thirteen year old, thirteen year old faces life in

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Speaker 1: prison for an adult murder. So Jeff explain that again

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Speaker 1: to us to the audience. So we congrass because he

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Speaker 1: hooked up on a social media site.

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Speaker 10: Well, without all of the details of being out there,

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Speaker 10: we want to be very careful, but here's what we

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01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 10: do know that there was some type of communication using

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Speaker 10: a dating app between an unknown person and the victim

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Speaker 10: in this case. The victim in this case thirty year

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Speaker 10: old man. Everyone talks about him as being a great,

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Speaker 10: solid person, you know, and again I talked to his grandmother.

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Speaker 10: He goes to the neighborhood expecting to communicate further with

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Speaker 10: this person. But whoever that person was, they communicated with

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Speaker 10: the thirteen year old, had the thirteen year old go

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Speaker 10: and approach the man. So that's the nature of how

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Speaker 10: that happened. Now, there was some type of social media

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Speaker 10: app that was used. The police are not very specific.

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Speaker 10: You can bet that this is going to come out

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Speaker 10: through more court hearings. They are, you know, looking for

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Speaker 10: other folks as well who may be involved. This is

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Speaker 10: this situation. The greater situation is something that, like I said,

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Speaker 10: is has happened across the country. Police for years a

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Speaker 10: couple of last couple of years have been reporting an

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Speaker 10: increase in a number of folks who are organizing using

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Speaker 10: dating apps to set up victims innocent victims for robbery

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Speaker 10: and sometimes has done a gunpoint. Sometimes people are killed

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Speaker 10: and in many cases people don't report being robbed. This

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Speaker 10: situation had happened in Coco through this dating app ended

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Speaker 10: in a tragedy. So that's what we absolutely do know.

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Speaker 10: And when I talked to the grandmother, she thought that

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Speaker 10: perhaps he was going to help a pregnant woman or

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Speaker 10: someone else who might have been in need at that point.

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Speaker 10: So until we hit more from the attorney, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to get us as graft that was going.

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Speaker 1: Was the thirty year old on controlling on the on

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Speaker 1: the internet or is there somebody else who's sent him

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Speaker 1: over there who set him up?

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Speaker 10: Exactly? It sounds like there was someone else who was

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01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 10: who was in communication with the thirty year old man.

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01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 10: And then once the thirty year old signal that he

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Speaker 10: was in the neighborhood, whoever that person X was, they

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Speaker 10: communicated with the thirteen year old who then went to

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Speaker 10: the truck and for whatever reason, shot him in the

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Speaker 10: torso the person's wallet was found there other information. The

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Speaker 10: truck was still there.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 10: It was a nice truck from what I understand. And

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Speaker 10: that's that's where we are at this point.

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Speaker 1: So let me jump ahead quick. There is some questions

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Speaker 1: for you, Jeff. Pression was the pression black white male, female,

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Speaker 1: black and male young man, black and male? So another

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Speaker 1: black Quessian shot this thirteen year old child because he thought.

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Speaker 1: We don't know why he shot him fast first, but

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Speaker 1: they've made on so obviously it's probably a gay dating side,

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Speaker 1: right if we're gonna put that together, can we say.

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Speaker 10: We don't know for we don't know for sure. We

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01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 10: can we can make inferences, but we want to be

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Speaker 10: careful of that until we go to do to hear it.

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Speaker 10: So the thirteen year old shot the thirty year old

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Speaker 10: and and killed. The police caught him, they had the

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Speaker 10: cell phone. They got him to just basically admit that

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Speaker 10: he fired the weapon. He says it was accidental.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 10: Interesting, And I don't have any evidence that the thirty

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Speaker 10: year old knew the thirteen year old at any point

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Speaker 10: outside of.

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Speaker 1: This gotcha twenty five at the top. Then Mark checking

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Speaker 1: in from Houston Ice on line. Want I want you

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Speaker 1: to speak to Jeff grand Rise in Markey on with

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Speaker 1: Jeff Gallup.

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Speaker 3: Well grand Rise and my brothers. Good morning, y'all doing

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Speaker 3: all right this morning?

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Speaker 10: Good morning, doing well yourself?

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I guess sir, sir, this is my favorite topic.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you bring it out, these type of caches

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Speaker 3: on our young men.

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Speaker 8: And at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: You know, remember that show, it was a Kincher president

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Speaker 3: and the white man was going in, and you know

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Speaker 3: then he was catching the white man out. We can

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Speaker 3: get some kind of catchup predators coming in our communities.

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Speaker 3: But as far as the thirteen year old boy, he

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Speaker 3: said he accident. It was an accident. Uh. And I

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Speaker 3: know they say, well, you think he's gonna get life

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Speaker 3: in prison he's facing now he's not facing life in

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Speaker 3: prison because the Supreme Court ain't gonna allow that because

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Speaker 3: he's done the page of eighteen. So we can't do nothing,

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Speaker 3: you know, whatever it is. He would be out a

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Speaker 3: support parole. They can't lock him up, and they can't

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Speaker 3: give him a death feelmy. So that's that's our question

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Speaker 3: for him. But we need to investigate it because that's

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Speaker 3: in our community, that's our kids that we need to realize.

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Speaker 3: To investigate what a thirty year old man in the community,

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Speaker 3: you know, in some kind of you know, whatever whoever

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Speaker 3: it's going.

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Speaker 12: In over there.

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Speaker 3: I'm so sick of this nonsense, this mess man, you

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, And you're trying to be trying

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Speaker 3: to lock our our brothers up. A thirteen year old

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Speaker 3: I just don't see that, man. I mean, you're you're

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Speaker 3: not locking up these young white boys that's running around him,

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Speaker 3: you know, shooting.

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Speaker 12: Up these schools.

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Speaker 3: Man with these guns. You're trying to rehabilitate them. And Donna,

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Speaker 3: you know, saved them. You know what I'm saying. But

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Speaker 3: in the meantime, and we got a we got man,

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Speaker 3: we got a predator. I wish they had catch a

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Speaker 3: predator when when e f Stein and Trump was young,

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Speaker 3: So you catch them, son, I'm doing doing what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: It's just a lot of mess going on here in America, man.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I appreciate this

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Speaker 3: story that you're given. It was more man, I'll talk

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Speaker 3: about that. In Houston, I called, I talked Charlton's I

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Speaker 3: talked to a whole lot of people, man, and this

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Speaker 3: one almost try to stay on this thirteen year old boy, man,

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Speaker 3: because I really want to see what the facts he is.

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Speaker 3: Because somebody was committing the crime before even accidentting they

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Speaker 3: killed this young boy. That's a huge issue with me.

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Speaker 10: So thank you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate him for bringing out Thank you, carl.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks man. Also got to tweet jeff'son so

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Speaker 1: they agree with the young young man for protecting himself

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Speaker 1: and thirty you old for protecting himself. But the question, Jeffy,

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Speaker 1: because you said you spoke to his grandparents, Uh, where's

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Speaker 1: his parents? Where's mom and dad? And all this story?

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Speaker 10: They live in the area. His grandmother lives in the area.

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01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 10: She raised him. And I want to make some some

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01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 10: clarifications here. Number one. Number one, we're talking about a

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Speaker 10: thirteen year old who is armed with a weapon that

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Speaker 10: he's not supposed to have. We're talking about a thirteen

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Speaker 10: year old who is in the act of responding to

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Speaker 10: whoever's behind the scenes, right, And I'm not trying to

1247
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 10: lay guilt or anything like that. I'm just putting out

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Speaker 10: the facts. And then you have a thirty year old

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01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,719
Speaker 10: who doesn't know who he's communicating with, according to the police,

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01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 10: who is using a legal dating app. And here's something

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01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 10: that goes deeper into the community. How many people are

1252
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 10: using these dating apps to get together with other people.

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01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 10: That's not illegal unless you're talking about deliberately targeting an

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01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 10: underage child. And there's no evidence at all of any

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01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,480
Speaker 10: of that happening here. But you have in any community,

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Speaker 10: any given community, and you know Miami Oh my god.

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01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 10: You know Atlanta. You know, any given community, these social

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Speaker 10: media apps that whether it's targeting women or gay men

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01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 10: or whoever they're being used, they're they're getting people, uh,

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01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 10: who are who are coming together? And yes, there are

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Speaker 10: some victims of crime, and sometimes it's the people who

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01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 10: are looking for companionship in whatever way, they're being set

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Speaker 10: up and they're being robbed. That is a common thread

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Speaker 10: happening across this country right now.

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Speaker 1: And Jeff, the thirteen year old, he's still is he

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Speaker 1: still being hell? Has he been released to his parents yet?

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Speaker 10: Uh? My understanding is that he is. He is going

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01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 10: to be held at the Bravard County Jail because they

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01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 10: have they have a section where they hold juveniles who

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Speaker 10: commit who are who are accused of committing violent crime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the concern is that we really don't know

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Speaker 1: that all the facts. I know, this is one of

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01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: the stories you're working on and find out if he

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01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: was if he's the real victim. You know, it's probably

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Speaker 1: defending himself and we don't know if the man made

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01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: advances of him or whatever. Uh that.

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Speaker 10: I do not know now because in Florida, because he

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01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 10: was a juvenile, there are a lot of facts that are

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01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 10: not readily available, but at this point that the State

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01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 10: Attorney's office has made the decision to pursue him as

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01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 10: an adult in court. In other words, he's going to

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Speaker 10: go He's going to go to trial, according to the

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01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 10: State Attorney's office, face a murder charge, and whatever the

1284
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 10: jury decides in terms of convicting him or quitting him,

1285
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 10: that will happen at that point. If he's convicted, yes,

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01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 10: he does face up to life in prison. Now it

1287
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 10: is up to the judge as to how to administer

1288
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 10: that under the state statute. But yeah, this is this

1289
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 10: is this is this young man's life, and we need

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Speaker 10: to ask the question also, who was it that gave

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Speaker 10: him guidance to go and do this.

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Speaker 1: If that is the case, where did it come Had

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Speaker 1: a gun come from? Yeah, mak question about the.

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Speaker 8: Gun right.

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Speaker 3: Aition right now?

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Speaker 10: And that is a question. I don't know at this

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Speaker 10: point if they have the gun in their possession, but

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Speaker 10: see he admitted that he shot the gun. If they

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Speaker 10: don't have it, you know, maybe a good attorney could

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Speaker 10: come in and say, hey, this is we can't do this.

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Speaker 10: Maybe a good attorney will come in here and say

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Speaker 10: let's draw out this confession. All of that comes into play.

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Speaker 10: But we do know they found the shellcasing. I don't

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Speaker 10: know about the weapon at this point, but obviously police

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01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 10: are asking a lot of questions about this case, just

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Speaker 10: like you, about how did these two parties come together

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Speaker 10: and who is that mysterious third party that was communicating

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Speaker 10: between the two of them. Now, in some communities they

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01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 10: called this catfishing, where you think you're talking to one

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Speaker 10: person and there is actually someone else. Is that is

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01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 10: that the case here? We know that even with tender apps,

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Speaker 10: dating apps, you know, young men think they're going to

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Speaker 10: meet a young lady and actually when they get to

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Speaker 10: the hotel, there are three guys waiting in the hotel

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Speaker 10: room and they robin. So that does happen happens a

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Speaker 10: lot actually, But sir, well.

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Speaker 3: Sir, I would like to say when when these guns,

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Speaker 3: that these this thirteen year old boy got hold to

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Speaker 3: us a gun. We need to figure out every time

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Speaker 3: these young men are anybody that's out of committing crimes

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Speaker 3: with these guns. Why the guns are still out on

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Speaker 3: the street, but they have the devictims of me, the

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Speaker 3: men the times in jail, but the guns are still

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Speaker 3: out on the street. And I like the way you

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Speaker 3: said when even if they charge him with a with

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Speaker 3: as an adult, I want the people to really understand

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Speaker 3: I'm a pair of legal, pair of legal down here

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Speaker 3: in Houston. There's no way that the judge, don't judge,

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01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 3: can't do nothing to him, ain't nothing to judge and

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Speaker 3: do The jury generally just are finding guilty. But you

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Speaker 3: got to the Supreme Court won't allow him, will not

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Speaker 3: get life in prison. He's half and he's qualified for

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Speaker 3: uh for parole, but he can't get to death feeling

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Speaker 3: because he's done the age of eighteen. So yes, they

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Speaker 3: can do whatever they want to do.

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Speaker 12: They can't. They can't.

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Speaker 3: They can't tell him you'll never come out. You get

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, that's never going to happen.

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Speaker 10: I'm anger on.

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Speaker 1: Move on book. We thank you for recalled. We got

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Speaker 1: the gist of what you were saying. I thank you

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Speaker 1: for because there's some other issues, some other stories Jeff's

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Speaker 1: working on too. The last time we talked about the

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Speaker 1: arrest of the shooting of a two year old two

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Speaker 1: year old Jeff, where's that?

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Speaker 10: Yes, yes, that the status of that case right now,

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Speaker 10: it's believe it or not there is no public discussion

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Speaker 10: about that case, and so let's to refresh your audience.

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Speaker 10: This was a two year old girl. She was at

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Speaker 10: home with her grandparents in South Melbourne. This is in Melbourne,

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Speaker 10: Florida on the Space Coast. Her name is her name

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Speaker 10: was Blessing Lightner. Blessing Lightner, and basically someone got into

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Speaker 10: that home. There were several people in the home. They

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Speaker 10: shot the grandmother, shot the other person that was in there,

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Speaker 10: the man, and then they fatally shot this child in

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Speaker 10: the home. This happened in August August twenty ninth, and

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Speaker 10: the two adults who are identified as the grandparents, they

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Speaker 10: were critically injured, but they recovered. The investigation has been ongoing.

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Speaker 10: Everything from discussion of potential potential gain involvement to just

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Speaker 10: maybe someone who was just angry with the parents or

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Speaker 10: whoever has been out there on the table. But the

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Speaker 10: police are not putting any more information out about this case.

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01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 10: It's highly unusual that in a community you would have

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Speaker 10: someone get into the home, kill a two year old

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Speaker 10: child and then leave, and then you have little to

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01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 10: nothing said about it from the police. Not an update

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01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 10: a month later, not an update two months later, three

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Speaker 10: months later, there's absolutely nothing. And I don't know how

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01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 10: many communities would actually bear that burden to allow that

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Speaker 10: quiet to remain. But in this particular case, you don't

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Speaker 10: have anyone going out to say anything. You don't have

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Speaker 10: anyone protesting, you don't have anyone asking questions publicly outside

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Speaker 10: of the media. And right now, this two year old girl,

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Speaker 10: she's you know, she's she's a memory at this point,

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01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 10: you know, and there's nothing else. No one has been arrested,

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01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 10: no justice for her, according to her her parents.

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Speaker 1: That is so sad. A two year old baby just

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Speaker 1: killed and nobody says anything. Nobody's concerned. What does black

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01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: lives matter at all? You know, on all sides. At

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01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 1: some point, we just got to do better as the people. Man,

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Speaker 1: We just this, I don't know, we just got to

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01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: do better. Two year old a baby hasn't hasn't had

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Speaker 1: a chance to live yet, and and somebody takes her out.

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Speaker 1: But that's not the point though. The point is nobody

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01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: saying anything, Jeff. And if I'm glad you're sticking on

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01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: the story and digging more to find out what's what's

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01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: gonna happen and how it all started, because everybody seems

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01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: to be climbing up. You know the nose snitch rules.

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01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: It's no and you know somebody knows somebody who knows

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Speaker 1: something and refuses to speak, And that is so, that

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Speaker 1: is so sad that this baby has lost her life

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Speaker 1: and people won't won't, won't talk. Now, just think of

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01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: it. It got to be your child, you know, your grandchild

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Speaker 1: or somebody. It doesn't even have to be that. But

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Speaker 1: another black child's life has been snuffed out and nobody

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Speaker 1: wants to speak. Wow, that's that's a hard one for

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Speaker 1: me periods.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it is. Uh, it's it's hard to watch. And

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Speaker 10: you know, I send in a public records requests to

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01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 10: the police department. Uh, every other now at this point

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01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 10: is slowed down. I'm still asking questions, you know, about

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01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 10: whether or not there's a game connection, is there anything new?

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01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 10: And the answer I get back is it's an ongoing investigation.

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01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 10: Nothing else is. Nothing else is popped up.

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01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 12: Now.

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01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 10: They could have an arrest next week. I don't know.

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01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 10: But at this point, you're not informing the public and

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01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 10: the parents are not making any more uh public pronunciations.

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01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 10: You know, no protests or had been organized or anything

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01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,839
Speaker 10: like that. So there are a lot of questions swirling

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Speaker 10: around the circumstances. Exactly what did happen to this babe?

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01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 10: Who knew about it? And who knows uh the person

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01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 10: that may have carried this out. This is horrific act.

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01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 1: Sure is. And I'm glad that you're on the case

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01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: and digging more and trying to get more information about

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01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: this child's death, Jeff, because that's that's that's so unconscionable.

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01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: Just you know, family, we just got to do better.

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01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: Let me just say that period of those who were

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01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: involving that kind of lifestyle, you just got to do better.

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01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: We just we got enough promise with the other folks

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01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: that we're taking each other's lives, especially a baby. That's

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01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: that's you know, I can't say more about that, but

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01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: I got a tweet question for you. Go ahead before

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01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: I get question.

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01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 10: Oh no, I was gonna say. It goes back to

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01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 10: what your guests were talking about, which I and I

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Speaker 10: called the tail end of the conversation. It's about the

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01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 10: economy of love and uh, you know, just figuring out

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01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 10: how can we be more uh in love with the

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01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 10: people that we say we are, and how can we

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01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 10: be more in love with our neighbors. What can we

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01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 10: do to serve how can we respond to some of

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01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 10: these things that are going on. You know, I had

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01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 10: that discussion the other day with someone. It was it

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01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 10: came down to the idea of values, shared values. It

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01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 10: just doesn't seem as if we as a community share

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01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 10: the same values anymore. And take you back on what

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01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 10: he was saying, Yeah, you think that. I don't know.

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01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 10: The community is so divided between different groups. You have

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01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 10: this group pursuing this this issue, that group pursuing that issue,

1441
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 10: and overall, who's pursuing their neighbor in terms of let's love,

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01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 10: let's let's learn our history, let's share with one another,

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01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 10: let's be open to one another. Just like your guest said,

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01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 10: you know, that's the whole idea of community. And that's

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01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 10: the whole idea of community, you know. So it's I

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01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 10: don't know if it's intentional, I don't know, but.

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01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: Check the news and they got Tweeter tweeter center question

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01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: for his wonder if it's true the sheriff down there

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01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: in Florida, if they catch folks selling drugs out of

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01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: a home, he's going to bulldoze the home and demolish

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01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: the home. Where the drugs are sold from. So I'll

1452
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: let you respond to that tweet when we get back. Family,

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01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: Youtubo can join our conversation with Jeff Gallup. He's an

1454
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,560
Speaker 1: investigative reporter works out of the Space Ghost in Central Florida.

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01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: You can reach them at eight hundred four or five

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01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six. I'll take your phone calls

1457
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: after which, and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with

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01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: us on this Tuesday morning. Here fourteen minutes away from

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01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: the top of the are with our guest that Jeff Gallup.

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01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: Jeff is an investigative reporter. It's a journalist works out

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01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: of Central Florida for Florida Today. Most of you know

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01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: USA Today, well you say Today is the child of

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01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: Florida Today. And Jeff works for that company right there.

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01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of groundwork looking into events that

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01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: take place in our communities in central Florida. Before we

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01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: go back to you there, let me just remind you.

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Speaker 1: Coming up later this morning, we're going to speak with

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Speaker 1: Grill Baba Lamumba. Baba Lamumba works out of the Moja

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01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 1: House in Washington, d C. These who are Council of

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01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 1: Elders come together and great discussions, and then they come

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01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: on the radio and want to hear what we think about.

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01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: What they discussed is always some thought provoking topics that

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01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: he brings to the table. So he's going to do

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01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: that later this morning, and later this week you're gonna

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01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: hear from chematologists that Tony Browner Tony's got a brand

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01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: new book coming out, and also metaphysician and herbalist Doctor B.

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01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: Doctor B also has a book. Both of them are

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01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: going to be here later this week. So if you

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01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 1: are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio locked

1480
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 1: in tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in

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01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: the DMV, we're on fourteen fifty WOL. Jeff, go back

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01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: to Jeff again that tweet about there's a sheriff for

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01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: a local law enforcement official in your era that is

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01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: threatening to bulldoze that just tear down homes. That he

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01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: claims that if the drugs are being sold out of

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Speaker 1: it is that true?

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Speaker 10: Yes, Actually, in fact it's our share of Levard County

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01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 10: Sheriff Wayne Ivy, who is not a stranger to controversy.

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01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 10: You've seen any number of news items that have popped

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01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 10: up over the years regarding him. He's a tough talking

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01:20:56,439 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 10: sheriff here from Levard County, and he he goes before

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01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 10: the camera and he talks about a lot of issues.

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01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 10: He issued a threat of force against protesters back in June.

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01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 10: You remember when they had No King protests that were

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01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 10: happening all over the country. He said in the state

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Speaker 10: of Florida. You know, hey, look, if you aim your

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01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 10: car toward a deputy, or you do this, or you

1498
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 10: threaten anyone, you could end up dead, you know. And

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Speaker 10: in fact, I think the term he used was graveyard dead,

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Speaker 10: and that created a lot of controversy. But like I said,

1501
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 10: you still stranger to that. So he has a new program,

1502
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 10: and if you listen carefully you're here, you look at

1503
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 10: the acronym, you'll know what I'm talking about. He has

1504
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 10: what he calls the Sheriff's High Intensity Target List, and

1505
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 10: that deals with flop you know. Put that together, you know,

1506
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 10: and he deals with targeting flop houses or what we

1507
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 10: would call trap houses. You know, that were you know,

1508
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 10: you have a lot of nuisance calls, different things like that,

1509
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 10: But there is a legal process. You just can't go

1510
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 10: at this point in time in the American history, and

1511
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 10: Bulldover a home. You have to have a legal process

1512
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 10: of combination. Uh, you know, the house has to be condemned.

1513
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 10: There has to be you know that there has to

1514
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 10: be a reason, legal reason for you to go in

1515
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 10: and do it. And he's done his second home. And

1516
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 10: you know, he took down his second home I think

1517
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 10: a couple of weeks ago, and uh, you know, just

1518
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 10: old dilapidated homes where you have a lot of people

1519
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 10: going in and smoking, you know, crack or doing drugs.

1520
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 10: And we do have that problem here in Brevard County,

1521
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 10: just like getting any other community in America. Except he's

1522
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 10: actually taking where he sees his action against the people, uh,

1523
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 10: who are who are doing this. He's tearing down those homes.

1524
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: So he's not actually targeting homes where you know, someone

1525
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: may be selling a couple of joints out of family

1526
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: and the family doesn't even know that the child is

1527
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: selling weed out of the house. He's not targeting those homes.

1528
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?

1529
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 10: No, because if that would happen in America, I mean,

1530
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 10: how many homes across the country would come down Tomorrow?

1531
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 10: He's come down tomorrow, you know what I'm saying. So, no,

1532
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 10: he's actually talking about houses where you have dozens of complaints,

1533
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,560
Speaker 10: where you have people calling ninety one to one constantly,

1534
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 10: and there's a process of you know, where the house

1535
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 10: has been condemned or code enforcement is working to come

1536
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 10: in and say, hey, we got to clear this property.

1537
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 10: That's what he's talking about. That's why he calls it

1538
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 10: again his sheriff high Intensity target list.

1539
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Yeah, So.

1540
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,879
Speaker 10: Any push back though some funny situation, Any.

1541
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: Pushback to Jeff from the residents about that, Well, they are.

1542
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 10: I believe it or not, just like you have, you know,

1543
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,839
Speaker 10: the National Guard going into some communities across the country.

1544
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 10: The neighbors are surprisingly you know, they're happy with it.

1545
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 10: They see these homes as problems and they want them gone.

1546
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but bull does into what does that do?

1547
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: The crime just shifts to another area, doesn't it.

1548
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 10: I think what you're talking to, what you're talking about,

1549
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 10: it is like the image of a bulldozer and the

1550
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 10: Sheriff's office out there announcing that they're tearing down a house.

1551
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 10: It's it's done more to cast out you know, light

1552
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 10: that that hey, we are actively doing something. I think

1553
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 10: this is a process that happens anyway in most communities

1554
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 10: wherehouses been condemned, you will have after a couple of

1555
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 10: years a bulldozer come by. I think in this case,

1556
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,600
Speaker 10: their cameras out there taking a picture. And you know

1557
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 10: a sheriff who likes to talk about fighting crime taking

1558
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 10: advantage of it.

1559
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well she should go for crime and not bulldozing homes.

1560
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 1: I mean, what good does it do. It's a bulldoze

1561
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: at home, and I guess the crack deal just moved

1562
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: to another home, that's all that. Why don't it go

1563
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: and track down the drug dealers? Wouldn't that be more

1564
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: effective that you know, there's a home there that that's

1565
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 1: off the tax base whoever owns it or not, that's

1566
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 1: you know, that's money that's for the county or whatever

1567
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 1: the era that that sheriff is in.

1568
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,440
Speaker 10: It's an interesting thought because you know, people do gravitate

1569
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 10: to where the drugs are when they're in that particular lifestyle.

1570
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 10: You know, what does it do? You have to ask

1571
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 10: yourself that because you look at the homes that are condemned,

1572
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 10: they literally are condemned because of cold enforcement violations. Can't

1573
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,719
Speaker 10: anyone live in a home you know where their holes

1574
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 10: in the floor, holes in the walls, there's no toilet,

1575
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 10: no running water, no electricity, you know, probably not, so

1576
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 10: it is what it is. Just better enforcement on drugs,

1577
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 10: you know, might be the solution. But in this particular case,

1578
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 10: they're going with a multi prong approach.

1579
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: Eight minutes away from the top of our family, I

1580
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: guess this is Jeff Gallup. Jeff is an investigative reporter

1581
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: in central Florida, and these are some of the stories

1582
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: that he's working on. He's looking into these stories, old

1583
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: school journalism, just going there and with a pencil on

1584
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: a pad, and you're trying to figure out what's going

1585
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: on then report it back to us in many of

1586
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: these stories that happen in our communities. But Jeff, you've

1587
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: got another project that you're working on. Also, you're trying

1588
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 1: to get books into the hands of our young people.

1589
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:05,799
Speaker 1: Can you share that with the family?

1590
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 10: Absolutely? So, you know. And this is because we work

1591
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 10: with a couple of journalists and I think you know

1592
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 10: one we basically here in Bavard County, we recognized an

1593
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 10: issue a couple of years ago where our history wasn't

1594
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 10: being told or it was being censored. So we decided

1595
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 10: to raise funds to purchase books or have people donate

1596
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 10: new books to us. We call it the Little Black

1597
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 10: Book Drive. We're on Facebook. We do have that communication

1598
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 10: out there and we've been going. Next year will be

1599
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 10: our fifth year. We've distributed over two thousand books to

1600
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 10: youth here along the Space Coast, primarily books that deal

1601
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 10: with black history, that deal with stem, that deal with

1602
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 10: you know, the classics, the classics of black literature, you know,

1603
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 10: and the authors as well, Maya angelou An any any

1604
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 10: folks like that that we can get out to the kids.

1605
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 10: Illustrated books that tell our story and there are these

1606
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 10: are books that go to not only black kids, but

1607
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 10: to all kids, because black history, as we know, is

1608
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:09,799
Speaker 10: American history.

1609
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at the same time, your governor has made

1610
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: a move to eliminate and your president has made a

1611
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: move to eliminate teachings of black history out of our schools.

1612
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 1: Is this a fight for you or are you getting

1613
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: any pushback from doing this?

1614
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 10: Jeff, I personally have not gotten any pushback. We've been

1615
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 10: told that there were people who were not necessarily happy

1616
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 10: with what we're doing. Well, listen, like Kwanza, like celebrating

1617
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 10: any other day or doing any other thing. We do

1618
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 10: not need permission from the government at this stage in

1619
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 10: our American history to go into our communities and distributing books.

1620
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 10: We don't need permission. We have everything that we need

1621
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 10: in terms of the energy, the wherewith all to go

1622
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 10: out and ask for people in the community to donate.

1623
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,799
Speaker 10: Don't need permission to tell our stories, uh, in our community.

1624
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 10: So the state may do what it wants to do.

1625
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 10: You know, we're a nonpartisan. We can't get into that.

1626
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 10: But what we can do is get into the local programs,

1627
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 10: the kindergartens, wherever we need to go, wherever we're invited

1628
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 10: to distribute these.

1629
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: Books sticks away from the time Vay Jeff Gallup and

1630
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: investigative reporter in Central Flaida and he's got a book

1631
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: drive going on the Little Black Book Drive. I think

1632
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: it's a little black book drive. I think that's tit

1633
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: of but but but Jeff, and that that brings the

1634
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 1: question a little black book drive when when people hear that,

1635
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: are you getting support from the white community, getting support

1636
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: from the Latino community, because you know, sometimes they see

1637
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: the word black and they run the other way. Jeff

1638
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 1: still there. We lost Jeff. Hopefully we haven't lost Jeff

1639
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: because the interesting his book Drive is Yeah, Kevin, see

1640
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: if you can get him back and then we'll find

1641
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: out if people are listening to it could help us

1642
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 1: get these books into the hands of our youngsters, because

1643
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: it is a problem not just in Florida, but it's

1644
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 1: in Texas, uh, some of these states that they've they've

1645
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: taken these books out of the libraries, out of the schools,

1646
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: and our children they're going to get a chance to

1647
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: find it about their heroes. So, Jeff, my question to

1648
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: you was, are you getting support because it's a little

1649
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 1: black book, driver, that's a tile of it. So are

1650
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 1: you getting support from the Latino community, from the white community?

1651
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 1: Are they supportive? But they just said, oh, that's some

1652
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: black stuff and push it to the side. How's that?

1653
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 10: Let me tell you? Let me tell you And and

1654
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 10: it goes back to what we mentioned before in the

1655
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 10: previous segment about the community and supported people being vocal

1656
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 10: and you know the lack of support here or the

1657
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 10: you know, you see more support there. We have gotten

1658
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 10: support from a cross section of people. We've had one

1659
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 10: church in particular that gave a great donation that really

1660
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 10: helped us start. In the first year. We have seen

1661
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 10: donors and I'll be honest, a lot of our white

1662
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 10: supporters are intense about supporting this effort to get out

1663
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 10: books to our community. A lot of people. We walked

1664
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 10: into a black bookstore. We went out to an event,

1665
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 10: you know, because we believe in cooperative economics. We went

1666
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 10: there and there was a fundraiser and we had everyone

1667
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 10: in the bookstore black, A lot of a lot of

1668
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 10: black folks who were donating, donating, donating, must and it

1669
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 10: was very successful. We had one white donort come in

1670
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 10: in there sheet she said, hey, look, take my credit card,

1671
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 10: get every book you can up to this limit. And

1672
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 10: we were stunned. Right, but we've seen generosity from a

1673
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 10: cross section of people. I will tell you, Outside of

1674
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 10: that one particular church and a few pastors, we have

1675
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 10: not received this much support from some of our local

1676
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 10: religious centers. I understand, right, everyone has her own particular

1677
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 10: mission and their own thing. But other than that, we're

1678
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 10: getting pennies here, dollars their big support there. We get

1679
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 10: shipment to books from some supporters. It really has helped.

1680
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 10: Now we're not talking about just regular books. We're talking

1681
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 10: about new books, New York Times bestselling books.

1682
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 1: All I hold that though right there we step aside

1683
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 1: from a moment, we got to check the traffick and

1684
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: weather one more time in our different season. Won't come back.

1685
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 1: Tell us the kind of books that you're getting, and

1686
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: if we can help, if you guys need some help,

1687
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, getting books to you over if publishers are

1688
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 1: helping or donating books, or if we can't donate books,

1689
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: maybe we can donate some money then you guys could

1690
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 1: buy the books. I want you explain all that when

1691
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: we get back. Two away from the top of the family,

1692
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 1: Jeff Gallup is I guess there's an investigative reporter out

1693
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: of Central Florida and you've got a black book drive

1694
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: going on, trying to help our young folks. What are

1695
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: your thoughts? Eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight

1696
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 1: to seventy six to speak to Jeff and we'll take

1697
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 1: your phone calls next and grand Rising family, and thanks

1698
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: for making us part of your morning, Richel. I guess

1699
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: this morning right now is a Jeff Gallup. Jeff is

1700
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 1: an investigative reporter. Is a journalist working out of Central

1701
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:01,600
Speaker 1: Florida and moment tell going to speak with Baba Lamumba

1702
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,719
Speaker 1: who works out of Emoja House in Washington, DC. But Jeff,

1703
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 1: before we left, you tell us about the Little Black

1704
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: Book Drive and how folks can help you guys get

1705
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: some more books.

1706
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 10: Okay, well, yeah, definitely. One of the best ways would

1707
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 10: be to communicate with the two bookstores that we work

1708
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 10: with here in Bavard County. And you know, I know

1709
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 10: I'm talking fast, but Essence of Knowledge Bookstore, which is

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Speaker 10: in Cocoa, Florida, you can look them up. They have

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01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 10: their web page, that's Essence of Knowledge Bookstore. Let them

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01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 10: know that you're making a purchase for the Little Black

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01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:37,839
Speaker 10: Book Drive. Same thing with the Onyx Bookstore in Downtown Melbourne,

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01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 10: Historic Downtown Melbourne. You can reach those folks. You can

1715
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 10: also if you want information about what we do, email me.

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01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 10: You can email me and I'm going to give you

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01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 10: my email. Gallop light Horse, G A L l O

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01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 10: P Jay as in Jeff d Is and David forty

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01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 10: two like Jackie Robinson at gmail dot com, and of

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01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 10: course the old fashion method. We have azel account. We

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01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 10: also have cash app Gallop Gallops are us like toys,

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01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 10: r US G A L l O P S, r

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01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 10: U S and anything helps pennies like I said, dollars,

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01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 10: anything helps, and we do mention you on our Facebook

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01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 10: page if you would like for us to do that.

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01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 10: We have been around going on five years now. This

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01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 10: is something that we're doing freely. No one's getting paid.

1728
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 10: There's no money going to anyone, but all of the

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01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 10: books that we get we give back out to the community,

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01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,719
Speaker 10: to the children who are in our community.

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01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: So these are children's books that you need, not books

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01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 1: that necessarily aimed at adults.

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01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 10: We go from age one to eighteen, so there are

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01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 10: some books that are more appropriate for young adults. Let

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01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 10: me give you an idea, like, for example, we have

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01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 10: children's children's books like I Love My Hair Right and

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01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 10: that's written I think by Natasha Tarpley. Books like that,

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01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 10: everything from that to the autobiography of Malcolm. We have

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01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 10: the traditional version by Alex Haley. We also have one

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01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 10: that's for young teens. We have illustrated graphic novels because

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01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 10: what we're also sadly finding is that many of the

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01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 10: kids who come to our tables some don't know how

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01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:16,680
Speaker 10: to read, believe it or not, But we also know

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01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 10: that if they have ownership in a book that has

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01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 10: illustrations or with words, sometimes that inspires them to want

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01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 10: to read, to want to do better. I can't tell

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01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 10: you all of the many stories that we've had, but

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01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 10: I've given out books and I've seen kids look at it,

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01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 10: I don't know how to read, and then you catch

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01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 10: them thirty minutes later reading through an illustrated book or

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01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 10: looking at the pictures and being excited and asking someone

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01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,799
Speaker 10: to help them to read. I've actually seen that happen.

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01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: So well, menk you this, Jeff. How do you make

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01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 1: you feel when a young black child says to you,

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01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how to read.

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01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 8: It hurts.

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01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 10: It hurts because my mom had me reading by the

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01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 10: time I was three years old, and I took it

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01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:00,040
Speaker 10: so for granted that I stopped reading, and she she

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01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 10: basically forced me. She forced me to go to the library.

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01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 10: She said, don't come back unless you have books. And

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01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 10: I thought I was being cute by coming back with

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01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 10: illustrated books, and I just got hooked. So when I

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01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 10: hear a child, and I mean there was one beautiful

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01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 10: young girl, she probably was in first or second grade,

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01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,560
Speaker 10: had been kept back and she just said, sadly, I

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01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 10: don't know how to read, so I don't know what

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01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 10: to get. And we talked to her and we you know,

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01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 10: and I told her, you know, asked her name, called

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01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 10: her name. My wife was right there as well, and

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01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 10: we just looked at her and we just told her,

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01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,600
Speaker 10: you know, take this book because maybe one day you

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01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 10: could be like her. You know, look at her. She

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01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 10: looks like you. She's doing all types of things, this

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01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 10: Katanji Jackson, and she's a Supreme Court justice and one

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01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,640
Speaker 10: day you could sit on the Supreme Court. And she

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01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 10: looked at us like, oh, she got excited. She took

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01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 10: that book. And who knows what she's doing with it now,

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01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,720
Speaker 10: But it's hers who knows. If she connects with the

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01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:59,680
Speaker 10: name Katanji Jackson, the Supreme Court justice, who knows. But

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01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 10: that was one of those moments I've seen another kid.

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01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 10: I gave him a book about Martineter King. He put

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01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 10: aside the books that I gave him or that he

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01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 10: picked out, and he jumped for joy with his mom

1785
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 10: because that's what he really wanted. I told him, take

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01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 10: all of the books and take this book on doctor King.

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01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:17,640
Speaker 10: And do you know that every time we have a

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01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 10: book drive, every other time he shows up and he's

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01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 10: getting more free books and he says, do you remember me?

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01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 10: And I sit there and I go, yes, Malachi, I

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01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 10: remember you. So it does something to me to see

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01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 10: our kids read gotcha.

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01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: Eight after the top of the August has calling from Atlanta.

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01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:40,679
Speaker 1: He's online two wants to speak to you, August grand

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01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 1: Rising with Jeff Gallup.

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Speaker 11: Grand Rising Family. I have a question. I don't know

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01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 11: if this gonna make much sense for the hope that does.

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01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 11: I was thinking about what if they just take the

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01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 11: pass the bill, taking.

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01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 8: The drug money that come from drugs, right, and you a.

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01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 11: Drug mone to buy computers to upgrade the schools. It

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01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 11: can be from that state, that city, or I don't

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01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:13,719
Speaker 11: know how the money would be distributed, but that would

1804
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 11: be a great idea, I think. And I may be wrong,

1805
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 11: and once since this may curve a lot of the

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01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 11: drug use or deals, if I may say it that way,

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01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 11: and I'll take I listen to you guys off the air. Thanks.

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01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 11: I'd love to show you guys. Awesome job.

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Speaker 1: Thanks all, Gus. Jeff.

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Speaker 10: You already have programs like that forfeiture programs where they

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01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:45,719
Speaker 10: go in and they sees cash or vehicles or different

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01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 10: things from people who are involved in criminal complaints, and

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01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 10: some of that money is put back into the community

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01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 10: or not. I know, there is one food program, summer

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01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:58,799
Speaker 10: food program for use in South Melbourne, that same neighborhood

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01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 10: I was talking about with a young young two year

1817
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 10: old was killed. They have a summer food program where

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01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 10: they get funds from the police departments and some of

1819
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 10: that comes from, you know, forfeiture funds or other funds

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01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,600
Speaker 10: that they have laying around. The federal government regulates a

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01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 10: lot of that and tell they tell them this is

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Speaker 10: what you can use it for. You can buy equipment,

1823
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 10: or you can do this, or you can do that.

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01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:22,799
Speaker 10: It's heavily regulated, so it's not as simple as say

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01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 10: I catch someone on the street, or you know, I

1826
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 10: go to Wall Street and I arrest somebody with you know,

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01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 10: four hundred thousand dollars worth of cocaine and cash, and

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01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 10: then I take that cash and give it to the community.

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01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 10: Is not as simple as that. Everybody is, you can imagine,

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01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 10: wants a piece of that financial tie. So it is

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Speaker 10: heavily regulated.

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01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:42,640
Speaker 1: Got you, Jeff, before we let you go give us

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01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 1: your information again. How folks if they want to donate

1834
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 1: books or donate some cash to help you guys buy

1835
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 1: some more books about children, how can they do that?

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01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 10: You can email again. You can email me Gallop G

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01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:58,639
Speaker 10: A L L O P JB forty two at gmail

1838
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 10: dot com. Or you can zell me three two one

1839
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 10: nine one seven four six four one. That's my number.

1840
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 10: You can text as well, and then also Gallops are

1841
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:12,120
Speaker 10: us dollar sign G A L L O P S

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01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 10: R U S. And we're based here in the central

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01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 10: Florida on Space Coast.

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01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 1: Thanks Jeff, and thank you. If we're looking at for our.

1845
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 10: Children, thank you, Thank you so much.

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01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 1: All right, Jeff Galf's investigative reporter. I guess I balance

1847
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 1: is the work that he does, all these grory stories

1848
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 1: that he has to cover and then you know it

1849
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 1: does a book drive sort of gives you some some

1850
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 1: mental balance of this is his job. But thank you again, Jeff.

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01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 1: Even minutes after the top of your family, it's turned

1852
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:42,839
Speaker 1: our attention now to uh Baba la Mumba. Baba Lamumba

1853
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: is one of our grills. Works out of a moja

1854
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 1: house in Washington, DC. It's the council of elders come

1855
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,679
Speaker 1: together and they have all these discussions that they think

1856
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:52,719
Speaker 1: and some thought evoking discussions and then Baba la Mumba

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01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: brings them to the Radio Grand Rising Baba la Mumba.

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01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 12: Welcome back, Aaron Rising, Brother, We're glad to be back.

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01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: Discussing that. One of the discussions you guys had at

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01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:08,600
Speaker 1: Emoja House resolving the ambivalence that we have about ourselves.

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01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 1: That's the topic. Can you explain what you mean when

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01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 1: you say that.

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01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 12: Well, you know, we living in this society means that

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01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 12: we are indoctrinated by negative feelings as well as positive

1865
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 12: feelings about being black person. No one escapes it. No

1866
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 12: black person escapes the negative feelings about their own race

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01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 12: that comes by virtuous simply living in this society. We're

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01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:41,599
Speaker 12: taught negative things in school, We're taught negative things in

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01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 12: the media. We're taught negative things all our lives. I

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01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 12: was listening to as a brother who was before me,

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01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 12: and he mentioned a sister wrote a book about hair. Well,

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01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 12: you know, we're taught that nappy hair is bad hair,

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01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 12: you know, and many of us feel that way that

1874
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 12: even though nappy hair works better as hair, it keeps

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01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 12: you warmer in the winter time and keeps the sun

1876
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 12: off you in the summertime, and it functions much better.

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01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:16,640
Speaker 12: It can more easily be styled and shaped, and so

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01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 12: you know, we have the right we should see nappy

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01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 12: hair as good hair and straight hair as bad hair. Uh.

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01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 12: You know, but we are taught that we are in

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01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 12: some ways inferior as a people. That's that just comes

1882
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 12: with living in this society. That's not so much a

1883
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:41,000
Speaker 12: function of you know, we're taught it in schools. We're

1884
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 12: taught it in church, We're taught it across the board.

1885
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 12: That we are in fear. So we are none of

1886
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 12: us escape the notion of our families. For example, you know,

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01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 12: when our mother presses our hair and tells us that

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01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 12: we you know, our press our press your hair because

1889
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 12: we want you to have good airs that are bad air.

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01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 12: That's a message of inferiority. It's the message of so

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01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 12: everything in this society. And you know, we have to

1892
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 12: face this. Ambivalence is something that we all have about ourselves,

1893
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 12: about our people, and it gets in the way of

1894
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 12: so many different things. It gets in the way of

1895
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 12: our progress, whether whether we realize it or not, it's

1896
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:26,000
Speaker 12: a major impediment. It's sort of the fight we have

1897
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 12: with ourselves about our identity, you know, you know, our

1898
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 12: identity being the culture and the other people who identify

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01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:40,160
Speaker 12: with uh. In this in the in the society which

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01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,680
Speaker 12: we live. And so I think that the reason I

1901
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:45,719
Speaker 12: wanted to talk about our ambivalence is that I wanted

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01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 12: to bring our problems to bounce to the ground for

1903
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:55,640
Speaker 12: about ourselves. How do we work with uh and understand

1904
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 12: what it is we have to overcome that we all

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01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 12: have and we all are somewhat subject to You know,

1906
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:07,839
Speaker 12: we're all subject to the impact of our negative feelings

1907
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 12: about ourselves. We none of us. I don't care how

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01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 12: conscious you are, or how much history you know, or

1909
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:18,679
Speaker 12: how much culture you practice. You still have these feelings

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01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 12: and you still have to confront them, and they still

1911
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,520
Speaker 12: get in the way of our progress.

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01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: Let me tell me to ask you this though about Blona.

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01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Isn't it a good thing to have this ambivalence at

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01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: least at least you have a contrasting issues to deal

1915
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 1: with instead of just one.

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01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:40,599
Speaker 12: Well, no, because you have no way to resolve them.

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01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,639
Speaker 12: You know. In other words, the problem is the negative

1918
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 12: feelings outweigh the positive feelings. So you know, we end

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01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 12: up with most of us end up with more negative

1920
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Speaker 12: feelings about ourselves, and we have positive feelings about ourselves.

1921
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,519
Speaker 12: So the only way you're going to reconcile. That is,

1922
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 12: have a concept or an identity of yourself that precedes

1923
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 12: your captive the precedure subjugation. In other words, if you

1924
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 12: don't have an African based frame of reference, then you

1925
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 12: don't have any basis for having a frame of reference

1926
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 12: outside of a white frame of reference, which is totally

1927
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:17,520
Speaker 12: dominated by your dominate, primarily by your negative image of yourself.

1928
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 12: So we walk around with these white frames of references.

1929
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 12: Let me give you a good example. I was looking

1930
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:31,120
Speaker 12: at the uh on Howard's television station. There the story

1931
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:36,759
Speaker 12: about Thurgood Marshal and so I can talking about his life,

1932
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:40,400
Speaker 12: and one of the things that got mentioned was that

1933
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:44,599
Speaker 12: the question of integration has what what do we feel about?

1934
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 12: You know, the question of integration? In other words, when

1935
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 12: we when we became integrated, we lost our communities. You know,

1936
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 12: the minute they allowed us to shop in their stores,

1937
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 12: We went to their stores and stuff shocked. What happened

1938
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 12: to our stores? Well, they had to close down the

1939
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:08,960
Speaker 12: minute that we were were What did integration do to us?

1940
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:12,679
Speaker 12: Positively and negatively? We all understand. I hear people talking

1941
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 12: about it all the time. What we lost through integration.

1942
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 12: Now you know the way it's usually put is what

1943
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 12: we gain versus what we lost? In other words, there

1944
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 12: is a clear recognition that we lost something, you know,

1945
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 12: but there's not an answer to that question. How do

1946
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 12: you compare what we lost what we gained? Well, the

1947
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:39,719
Speaker 12: fact is that we lost our community. That's what we lost.

1948
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 12: We lost our relationship with each other. Our community is

1949
01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:47,599
Speaker 12: essentially not necessarily our neighborhoods, because we think of community

1950
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 12: as neighborhoods, but our community is really our connection to

1951
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 12: each other. We integration undermined our connection with each other.

1952
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 12: But the reason why it was so successful at undermining

1953
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 12: our connection with each other is because our connection with

1954
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 12: each other was based on a white frame of reference.

1955
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 12: We didn't have an African flame around. We didn't have

1956
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:12,720
Speaker 12: anything to say what we were and what we appreciate

1957
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:14,440
Speaker 12: prior to our subjugation.

1958
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Speaker 1: Hold us aught right there, Babba Lama. We gotta take

1959
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 1: a short bad when we come back. Though, you mentioned

1960
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: how we lost, how do we lose something we didn't

1961
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 1: know that we had. Hope I'm making sense and I'll

1962
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,880
Speaker 1: let you respond to that. Family YouTube can join. Our

1963
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 1: conversation with our guest is one of our grills. Babla

1964
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:32,360
Speaker 1: la Mumba. You can reach him at eight hundred four

1965
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

1966
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 1: your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising family, thanks to

1967
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 1: staying with us this Tuesday morning with our guest to

1968
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:42,679
Speaker 1: Babla la Mumba from a Moja house in Washington, DC.

1969
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: As the Council of Elders have these great discussions and

1970
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 1: they bring him on the radio through Babla la Mumba

1971
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 1: before we left, he says there's some ambivalents about us

1972
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:52,800
Speaker 1: as a people, there's some negative and some positive, and

1973
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:55,679
Speaker 1: he mentioned the civil rights women with integration or should

1974
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:59,719
Speaker 1: do we stayed by ourselves? And now Monday morning quarterback

1975
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 1: and say that you know we went for integration, which

1976
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:04,800
Speaker 1: is wrong. But Baba Lameumba, if you don't know what

1977
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 1: you have, how can you feel like you've lost it?

1978
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 1: How can you feel like you made a mistake. It's

1979
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: kind of like being a relationship. A person's gone and

1980
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: you miss them and because you didn't know what you

1981
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 1: really had.

1982
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:18,800
Speaker 12: Well, your question points out the central problem. If you

1983
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:22,440
Speaker 12: don't know, if your frame of reference does not include

1984
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:27,760
Speaker 12: you prior to your subjugation, if you only consider your

1985
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:31,720
Speaker 12: identity as a sension a function of your subjugation. Then

1986
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 12: you are lost. Then you can't have a positive feeling

1987
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 12: give yourself. Your ambivalence is permanent the question. But if

1988
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:43,600
Speaker 12: your ambivalence is permanent, then you were going to stay confined.

1989
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 12: You're going to stay in a state of subjugation. You're

1990
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:52,240
Speaker 12: going to only appreciate levels different levels of that subjugation.

1991
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:55,040
Speaker 12: You're never going to have any sense of what freedom

1992
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 12: actually is. Freedom is independence. Freedom is your ability to

1993
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 12: operate in UH as a as a group and to

1994
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:08,680
Speaker 12: make decisions that are are are are important, instrumental, and

1995
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 12: invaluable to your group. It's the right to protect your

1996
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 12: own interest. If you have no value, if you have

1997
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 12: no experience that says you're capable of that or that

1998
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:24,479
Speaker 12: should be the case, then you are exactly confined to

1999
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 12: your level subjugation. And that that is the That is

2000
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:33,720
Speaker 12: what our ambivalence leads to. It leads us to a

2001
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 12: permanent state of a frame of reference that only includes

2002
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:42,759
Speaker 12: various forms of our subjugation. When we talk about, for example,

2003
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 12: a civil rights movement, which we define in this society

2004
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 12: as our freedom movement, no cases, you know, when we

2005
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 12: talk about it free we talk about I heard people

2006
01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 12: talk about Malcolm XN call him a civil rights leader,

2007
01:48:55,640 --> 01:49:00,639
Speaker 12: which is total nonsense. Garvy isn't the civil rights leader.

2008
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 12: Where independence is not civil rights. Civil rights is simply

2009
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 12: the capacity to be accepted and into the society in

2010
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 12: which you are have that subjugated you, you know. In

2011
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:19,719
Speaker 12: other words, it's a it's a process by which we

2012
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 12: try to successfully assimilate into a society. But what about

2013
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 12: the fact that we were stolen? What about the fact

2014
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:29,720
Speaker 12: that our culture was with from us? What about the

2015
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 12: fact that our identity and that our feelings about ourselves

2016
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 12: are negative precisely because of that experience, precisely because we

2017
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:43,720
Speaker 12: were we were stripped of our capacity to have a

2018
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 12: frame of reference which includes our independence, which includes our

2019
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 12: elevation as a people, which include which excludes our strength

2020
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 12: as a people. We if we're not trying to increase

2021
01:49:58,439 --> 01:50:00,720
Speaker 12: the strength of our people visa the other people in

2022
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,519
Speaker 12: the world, then what are we doing? What is our

2023
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:07,520
Speaker 12: freedom movement? Our freedom movement can't be to accept our subjugation.

2024
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:13,559
Speaker 12: That's not freedom. That may be important, because it often

2025
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:18,320
Speaker 12: is important, we have to actually address the pains and

2026
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:21,599
Speaker 12: stufferings that we exist in place. That's true.

2027
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,440
Speaker 1: But let me in and ask you this question, babyloon.

2028
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 1: But when doctor King says he feared that he was integrated,

2029
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:31,639
Speaker 1: is people into a burning bush or a burning house?

2030
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:34,600
Speaker 1: Or was he being ambivalent?

2031
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 12: Men? I mean, I think he was moving in the

2032
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 12: right direction. He was beginning to understand that what he

2033
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 12: was trying to achieve is not ultimately going to solve

2034
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 12: not only the problems of black people, but the problems

2035
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 12: of the world. You know, you know, if you simply

2036
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 12: want to be a part of a people who who

2037
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:01,559
Speaker 12: you know, who are in themselves in the path of

2038
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:06,040
Speaker 12: self destruction, in the path of harming the world, not

2039
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:08,960
Speaker 12: solving the world, because that's what we see. For example,

2040
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 12: Donald Trump, I think is a good example of this.

2041
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 12: Here's a man who declares that climate change, which is

2042
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 12: one of the greatest threats to all of humanity, doesn't exist. Now,

2043
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:23,879
Speaker 12: how can the man who sits in the most powerful

2044
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 12: position in the world talk about the greatest threat to

2045
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:31,519
Speaker 12: the world and tell the world that it doesn't even exist,

2046
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:33,680
Speaker 12: which means he's not going to do anything about it,

2047
01:51:33,880 --> 01:51:38,200
Speaker 12: which means that all the disasters that climate change can bring,

2048
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 12: he's not going to try to address because he wants

2049
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:48,920
Speaker 12: to believe the fallacy, the ridiculousness that it's not real. Well,

2050
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:51,679
Speaker 12: I mean, what is that an example of what does

2051
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 12: that mean?

2052
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:52,920
Speaker 4: Why?

2053
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 12: That's the burning house? The burning house clearly is burning.

2054
01:51:57,120 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 12: It's clearly in a situation where even our survival and

2055
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:05,719
Speaker 12: the world survival depends on us realizing that the direction

2056
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 12: of what the society we're trying to be a part

2057
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 12: of is self destructive, is bad, is not good, It's

2058
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 12: not good for us, and it's not good for the

2059
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:18,120
Speaker 12: world in which we live in. So we have to

2060
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:22,000
Speaker 12: actually work to create an alternative to that, and that

2061
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:24,799
Speaker 12: as an alternative that has to come from our culture,

2062
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 12: our framework prior to our subjugation, our understanding what it

2063
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:32,360
Speaker 12: means to be an after what are understanding what it

2064
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:35,600
Speaker 12: means to be a citizen of the world, Our understanding

2065
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 12: of what it means to have our people in a

2066
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:41,840
Speaker 12: stronger position than our people are in now, who are

2067
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 12: really we're in a very weak position when it comes

2068
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 12: to our power base. Increasing our power base as a

2069
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 12: people is the only direction that actually makes sense that

2070
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:56,920
Speaker 12: King was alluding to when he said that am I

2071
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:02,680
Speaker 12: trying to get am I encouraging my people to participate

2072
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 12: in a burning house. He was recognizing that, yes, the

2073
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:10,360
Speaker 12: house is burning, and it's burning more now than it

2074
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 12: was when he said made those statements. What does Donald

2075
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,720
Speaker 12: Trump mean it? Donald Trump means that the house is

2076
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:21,960
Speaker 12: on fire. That's what it means. Doctor King was anticipating

2077
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 12: that fire with Donald Trump means that the fire is here,

2078
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 12: it's burning. This man is creating a situation in which

2079
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 12: not only threatens us, threatens the house, as we put it,

2080
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:36,599
Speaker 12: but also threatens the world.

2081
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:40,240
Speaker 1: Got you twenty eight at the top, markus join us

2082
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 1: from Baltimore. I think Mark has a birthday today. He's

2083
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 1: on nine one Mark Grand Rising. If it's your birthday, Happy.

2084
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:50,800
Speaker 15: Birthday, yeah, Grand Rising, God yeah, seventy one to day.

2085
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:54,080
Speaker 1: Carl, Oh, congratulations.

2086
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 10: Man, thank you man.

2087
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:59,679
Speaker 15: I appreciate it. And Carl, whenever I hear somebody talk

2088
01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:04,000
Speaker 15: about integration, I think about this. I think about when

2089
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:07,799
Speaker 15: when I be watching these pictures, when when when people

2090
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:09,960
Speaker 15: lived in the Deep South and you can just be

2091
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:13,400
Speaker 15: hung going to brown bathroom and all that kind of stuff.

2092
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:16,680
Speaker 15: That's what it was about. It was about desegregation. It

2093
01:54:16,760 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 15: wasn't about about integration. We have so many black businesses

2094
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:26,839
Speaker 15: and stuff like this. But Malcolm and Martin said. Malcolm said,

2095
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 15: we're not outmembered, we out organized. King said, it's not

2096
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 15: the loudness of my enemies, it's the sounds of my friends.

2097
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 15: And Francis cus wells and gave us the blueprint to

2098
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 15: self improvement, which which which Farakahn speaks about, and which

2099
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:49,720
Speaker 15: he charged Captain Andrews and the Muslim brothers to come

2100
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:53,920
Speaker 15: here to Baltimore and and and and and create programs

2101
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:57,360
Speaker 15: and stuff like that to teach our young men to

2102
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:00,280
Speaker 15: be not kill each other and all that kind of stuff.

2103
01:55:00,840 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 15: You know, why can't we do that stuff? You know,

2104
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 15: why why do we have to talk about integration all

2105
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:11,840
Speaker 15: the time when when it's de segregation and we got

2106
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:13,959
Speaker 15: to do better, Like Carl say, we got.

2107
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:14,320
Speaker 12: To do better.

2108
01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 15: That's what Captain and Andrew and the Brook Muslim of

2109
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 15: Christian Brothers teacher our brothers and Baltimore.

2110
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 10: We got to do better.

2111
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 12: Francis chrest Wellsby said that too.

2112
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:24,240
Speaker 10: What do you think about that?

2113
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:26,040
Speaker 1: All right? Thanks? Mark?

2114
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:32,720
Speaker 12: Uh, Well, let's put it this way. What is the

2115
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:37,120
Speaker 12: frame of reference for doing better? How is us and

2116
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 12: the world going to do better? Are we going to

2117
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 12: do better for using his model? Are we gonna?

2118
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:42,280
Speaker 5: You know?

2119
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 12: The reason that we uh, when we were, when we

2120
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:49,480
Speaker 12: were offered to integration, the reason why we abandoned those

2121
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:54,280
Speaker 12: communities and those those that that we had developed, is

2122
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 12: because they were based on copies of him. We we

2123
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:02,000
Speaker 12: created communities, which is as copies of him. We didn't

2124
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:05,360
Speaker 12: have our own frame of reference. We didn't know Africa.

2125
01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:07,960
Speaker 12: We didn't go back and say, well, what would we do?

2126
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:13,000
Speaker 12: You know, in our own context, in our own frame

2127
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:16,240
Speaker 12: of reference, what we had. The only way we could

2128
01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:19,760
Speaker 12: do that, do that successfully is to look at Africa

2129
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 12: and to understand who and what we are. We have

2130
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:25,320
Speaker 12: to have an African frame of reference in order to

2131
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 12: have any sense of what better is and what our

2132
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 12: own direction is, what our own frame of references. We

2133
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:36,040
Speaker 12: can't simply use terms like do better. Well, you know

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Speaker 12: we were doing well, uh, you know when we when

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Speaker 12: we use his frame of reference to create communities, we

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Speaker 12: did a good job at that. But the minute we

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01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 12: got a chance to participate in his communities, we abandon

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01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 12: our communities. We we we we we accepted integration as

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01:56:55,840 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 12: a greater value, having greater value to us than having

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01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:02,960
Speaker 12: our own, you know, which is what we do with

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01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 12: the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement is based

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Speaker 12: on a notion that accepting the the participating in and

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01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 12: being accepted by the society is our goal. No, our

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01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:22,160
Speaker 12: goal is created a society that makes more sense, a

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01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:27,440
Speaker 12: society that is is more consistent with our traditions, a

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Speaker 12: society that is based on our frame of reference.

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Speaker 1: How do we create tama for a second now, Baba

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Speaker 1: la Mumba mark I, thank you for your call. Babby Lamo.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the integration docta King and the

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01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:42,160
Speaker 1: civil rights leaders back in the sixties. Do you think

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01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 1: they had enough information about who we are that we

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01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 1: could survive in this country just like any other ethnic

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01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:51,200
Speaker 1: group without relying if we because they they survived because

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01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 1: they know who they are. Are you saying that the

2155
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 1: civil rights this did not know who they who they

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01:57:57,160 --> 01:57:59,440
Speaker 1: were at that particular time, did not know they were African.

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01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:01,960
Speaker 1: That's where they made the integration decision.

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Speaker 12: Well, they did not understand the value. We had not

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01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:09,720
Speaker 12: developed the understanding of what Now you asked ourselsequence.

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01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:10,160
Speaker 4: What is the.

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01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:13,960
Speaker 12: Fundamental difference between an African frame of reference and a

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01:58:14,280 --> 01:58:16,879
Speaker 12: European frame of reference or a white frame of reference

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01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 12: or whatever what we experience here. And we never really

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01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:23,880
Speaker 12: asked that question, nor did we try to answer it

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01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:27,440
Speaker 12: at that point, But there is an answer, and we

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01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:32,040
Speaker 12: are getting closer. For example, Kwanza and we talked about hair.

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01:58:32,120 --> 01:58:34,520
Speaker 12: For example, at that point, I remember back in the

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Speaker 12: fifties my brother's wife wearing a natural and getting on

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01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:44,080
Speaker 12: the bus with me, and the black women are kind

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Speaker 12: of snickering and laughing at her and making fun of

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01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:50,600
Speaker 12: her because her hair was nappy and their's was straightened.

2172
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:54,680
Speaker 12: And I remember these comments like, Oh, she's gonna let

2173
01:58:54,720 --> 01:58:58,040
Speaker 12: everybody know we have bad hair. Well, what are we

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01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 12: talking about. We're talking about an evil Now I go

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01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:03,800
Speaker 12: up on Howard's campus and most of the women have

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01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:07,480
Speaker 12: some form of natural air. We're talking about progress in

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01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:12,600
Speaker 12: terms of self appreciation. We're talking about moving from a Yes.

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01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:16,760
Speaker 12: Back in those days, we did not understand our We

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01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 12: are slowly building. We talk about Kwanza. Quans are an

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01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:22,720
Speaker 12: important element in terms of what it means to be

2181
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:25,880
Speaker 12: an Africans. When you talk about in Gusoslavos the whole goop,

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01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:29,360
Speaker 12: we need to export it to Africa. In other words,

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01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:37,360
Speaker 12: coming up not only with a a definition and an

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01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:40,480
Speaker 12: understanding of what it means to be an African, but

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01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:45,800
Speaker 12: also realizing that we all need that we all need

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01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:48,680
Speaker 12: connections between each other. We all need a sympsum. Not

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01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:51,880
Speaker 12: only an African frame of reference, but what that means,

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01:59:51,880 --> 01:59:53,839
Speaker 12: How do that connects with it? How does the connect

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01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:57,280
Speaker 12: What is the difference between what European frame of reference

2190
01:59:57,280 --> 02:00:00,600
Speaker 12: and an African frame of reference? I would say that

2191
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Speaker 12: the difference is one is individualistically focused and one is

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Speaker 12: communally focused. African frame of reference is communally focused. We

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Speaker 12: appreciate each other and we make decisions that are relevant

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Speaker 12: to our community based on common needs, the common need

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02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:22,839
Speaker 12: of our community. White people pretend to make decisions based

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Speaker 12: on their principles and ideas that are based on individual security,

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Speaker 12: individual competition. That's what capitalism is. Advice is about competition with

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Speaker 12: each other. Our frame of reference is about living with

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Speaker 12: each other, about communally with each other, about cooperating with

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Speaker 12: each other. And out of those differences are fundamental differences

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02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:47,880
Speaker 12: that we have to understand and participation, and we are

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02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:51,920
Speaker 12: beginning to understand those things. We are beginning to understand

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02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,880
Speaker 12: what it means to be an African. You know when

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02:00:54,920 --> 02:00:57,320
Speaker 12: doctor King said what he did. Most of us didn't

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02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:00,240
Speaker 12: understand that. We didn't understand that there is a there

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Speaker 12: is these differences. There is this fundamental difference between our

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02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:07,800
Speaker 12: communal way of looking at life and their individualistic way

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Speaker 12: of looking at life. But their individualistic way of looking

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Speaker 12: at life is playing out. It's causing us great problems

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Speaker 12: it cause it's really at the at the core of

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Speaker 12: what's what's wrong with the world in which we live in.

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Speaker 12: You know, we have all of these problems that can

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Speaker 12: be traced back to that fundamental difference. And that fundamental

2214
02:01:29,640 --> 02:01:32,200
Speaker 12: difference is one that we can perceive in terms of

2215
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Speaker 12: our ancestors versus their ancestors. So, you know, that's where

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02:01:37,960 --> 02:01:40,480
Speaker 12: we are, That's where things are at this point. We

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02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:44,000
Speaker 12: have to accept that the road that we're on allows

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Speaker 12: us to understand ourselves, understand what we are ancestors said

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Speaker 12: about living and why the world needs to hear that,

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Speaker 12: and why we need to participate in it and become

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Speaker 12: a part of that. We can't do that in their

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Speaker 12: frame of reference, right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, we need to have our own frame

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Speaker 1: of reference. Well, let's talk about We'll come a break

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Speaker 1: and I'll let you respond when we get back from

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Speaker 1: the break, let's talk about the season, the season that

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Speaker 1: we're in now, the Christmas season, holiday season. How many

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Speaker 1: of our people you see got Christmas trees at white

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Speaker 1: Santa Claus and taking the children to sit on some

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Speaker 1: white dude's lap at the mall with extension presency and

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Speaker 1: not knowing what all those that come from. You know,

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Speaker 1: Brother Quasi told us about the history of some of

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Speaker 1: those rituals Christmas Ristinals. Still people still still you know,

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Speaker 1: involved in this celebrating this holiday for them. So how

2235
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Speaker 1: do you pull them away from that? I'll let you

2236
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Speaker 1: elect your respell when we get back from the break.

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Speaker 1: Twenty three minutes away from the top. They our family.

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Speaker 1: You want to join this discussion with Baba la Mumba,

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02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:48,560
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

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Speaker 1: calls next a grand rising family. Thanks are staying with

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Speaker 1: us on this Tuesday morning. And I guess is Baba Lamumba.

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Speaker 1: He's one of our grills, one of our eldest works

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Speaker 1: out of a Moja house in Washington, d C. This

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02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:02,560
Speaker 1: is where a council of elders come together and they

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02:03:02,640 --> 02:03:05,200
Speaker 1: have these great discussions and Babbla Mumware brings them to

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Speaker 1: the radio before we go back to him. No, let

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Speaker 1: me just remind you. Coming up in the next few days,

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Speaker 1: we're going to speak with chematologist Tony Tony Browner. He's

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Speaker 1: got a new book also made a physician and master

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Speaker 1: herbalist that doctor b will be here. So if you

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02:03:16,200 --> 02:03:17,760
Speaker 1: are in Baltimore, make sure you keep it rady of

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02:03:17,800 --> 02:03:20,360
Speaker 1: locked and tied on ten ten WLB or if you're

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Speaker 1: in the DMV run fourteen fifty w L Baba Lamma says,

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Speaker 1: we have an Ambilian ambivalence about our race. You know,

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02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:31,919
Speaker 1: some of us negative, on some side positive probably residual

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02:03:31,960 --> 02:03:35,600
Speaker 1: effects of our enslavement days for some of us. That's

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Speaker 1: why some of us have a problem. When anything comes

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02:03:38,200 --> 02:03:40,720
Speaker 1: to about slavery, we go the other way. When it

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02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:45,560
Speaker 1: comes back embracing white ideals, we cleave to that. And

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Speaker 1: this is what doctor Fox talked about, addicted to white

2262
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:50,560
Speaker 1: the oppressed in legal the oppressor as shame based Allianes.

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Speaker 1: And we see, especially at this time of the year,

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Speaker 1: this season of the year, we see people will say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I know that Santa Claus Santadelia and all the evil

2266
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Speaker 1: that connected that, the pagan's pagan holiday. But still, I'm

2267
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Speaker 1: just doing it from children. I'm just doing it because

2268
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:07,520
Speaker 1: they want to be like what the other folks are doing. So,

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Speaker 1: Baba lumba, how do we break that? How do we

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Speaker 1: pull them away from that?

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Speaker 12: Well? I mean, I think Quansa is a perfect bridge

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Speaker 12: actually because you you know, most people who make the

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Speaker 12: argument about Christmas, about Santa Claus, et cetera. You know,

2274
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Speaker 12: all of that is part of white culture. It's a

2275
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Speaker 12: part of a white frame of references. But you need

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Speaker 12: a bridge to something black, and Quanta provides a bridge.

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Speaker 12: And that's why a stroke of genius to start Kwanza

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Speaker 12: the twenty sixth of January. So it allows people to

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Speaker 12: live with what they grew up with, which was Christmas,

2280
02:04:44,360 --> 02:04:48,680
Speaker 12: but then transition into something that is more reflective and

2281
02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:52,600
Speaker 12: we speak to the solving and addressing our problems. The

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02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:55,000
Speaker 12: problem of Kwansa is the problem of defining what we

2283
02:04:55,160 --> 02:05:01,960
Speaker 12: mean by African along a collective a collective way. You know,

2284
02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:07,600
Speaker 12: it addresses that problem. It's the perfect bridge that allows

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Speaker 12: us to do both, and it does it at a time.

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Speaker 12: And because that allows that bridge to actually be used

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Speaker 12: by people. So people who are into Christmas, which is

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Speaker 12: going to be most black people, can also get involved

2289
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Speaker 12: with QUANSA, get involved with in the next day, participate

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Speaker 12: in the first day of Quanta, participated. So that bridge

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Speaker 12: is there, It's there for us needs and we developed

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Speaker 12: that all of that stuff has been developed since in

2293
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Speaker 12: the so called sixties, that period that the same time

2294
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Speaker 12: when we learned that black hair was beautiful, and we

2295
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Speaker 12: learned that we're in African clothes was beautiful. We learned

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Speaker 12: that the continent of African was beautiful, we learned the

2297
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Speaker 12: African feet, we learned that our skin was beautiful, we

2298
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:59,160
Speaker 12: learned all all of those things came to us in

2299
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Speaker 12: this period, a dynamic period of black growth, which we

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02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:07,960
Speaker 12: generally refer to as the sixties or the Black Power

2301
02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:11,880
Speaker 12: period at times. But we have now tools that we've

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Speaker 12: never had before. So we have a bridge, uh, and

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Speaker 12: we need we need to use that to each generation

2304
02:06:20,120 --> 02:06:24,400
Speaker 12: needs to build on that bridge. Uh. You know, we

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Speaker 12: we we need to uh work with that and make

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Speaker 12: make use of that that we we haven't had that.

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Speaker 12: Doctor King didn't have that bridge. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know he was asking this question though again and

2309
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Speaker 1: Bob's in Buffalo, get to Boby in the moment. But

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Speaker 1: how can we do that when when all these subliminal

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Speaker 1: elements in play. We're talking about television and the commercials.

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Speaker 1: Now they're showing the interracial families, and I guess that's

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Speaker 1: the ideal family that TV, especially commercials are showing that

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Speaker 1: this is what we should strive for. How do we

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Speaker 1: come combat that kind of well, I.

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Speaker 12: Mean, in other words, society has escalated. It's it's a

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Speaker 12: it's attack on us. It is it, you know, we

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Speaker 12: were the things that you just mentioned. We turn on

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Speaker 12: the television, what you see You see black people and

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Speaker 12: white people marrying each other. You see. So society is

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Speaker 12: fighting back, if you will, But it requires us to

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Speaker 12: you know, to go forward, to recognize what we're what

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Speaker 12: we're facing. You know, it's not they're not going to

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Speaker 12: give up. They're not going to stop, uh, trying to

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Speaker 12: make us, you know, completely confined by their frame of reference,

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Speaker 12: even though their frame of reference isn't a practic of dying.

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Speaker 12: And also we realize society that we're living is is

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Speaker 12: self destructing. What do you think that that that climate

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Speaker 12: change and Donald Trump actually means it means that's a

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Speaker 12: society that is fighting, but it is also dying at

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Speaker 12: the same time, and that our our necessity is to

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Speaker 12: survive its demise because its demise is really right in

2333
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Speaker 12: front of us. That's really what when you're making what

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Speaker 12: Donald Trump means here, you got this person with almost

2335
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Speaker 12: no redeeming qualities, character qualities, if you will, that has

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Speaker 12: now been elected president of the United States. And it

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Speaker 12: should be obvious to everybody else that what he reflects

2338
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Speaker 12: is not something positive. It's not something that is going

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Speaker 12: to save the world. It's something that's going to increase

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Speaker 12: in destroying the world and destructive. So we're in a

2341
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Speaker 12: environment that is self destructing. It doesn't Our job is

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Speaker 12: to survive that self destruction. And you know, you can't

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Speaker 12: deny that. What we're facing in America is a process

2344
02:08:51,400 --> 02:08:54,760
Speaker 12: of a society that is in the it's death throws. Now,

2345
02:08:54,840 --> 02:08:57,840
Speaker 12: that's what America is in. That's what Donald Trump means.

2346
02:08:57,960 --> 02:09:03,640
Speaker 12: It means he means that its society is collapsing. Our

2347
02:09:03,720 --> 02:09:07,560
Speaker 12: job is to survive it's collapsed by creating an environment

2348
02:09:07,640 --> 02:09:11,400
Speaker 12: and in a community that that is capable of doing

2349
02:09:11,400 --> 02:09:15,280
Speaker 12: that capable of being being around. When a society that

2350
02:09:15,360 --> 02:09:20,600
Speaker 12: has captured us, that subjugated us ceases to be a

2351
02:09:20,640 --> 02:09:24,560
Speaker 12: factor in our lives. So you know, our job was

2352
02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:28,000
Speaker 12: as much as is to survive the society. A society

2353
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:31,040
Speaker 12: that is clearly on the throes of its own demise.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha to have away from the top, Bob and Buffalo

2355
02:09:35,680 --> 02:09:38,720
Speaker 1: is checking in for us on this conversation. Grand Rising, Bobby,

2356
02:09:38,760 --> 02:09:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm with Baba la Mumba, you.

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Speaker 16: Sir, blessed love family.

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Speaker 10: Thank you, Baba.

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Speaker 16: As I remember coming up, doctor King was our primary

2360
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:52,680
Speaker 16: civil rights leader, and we talked and drew close to

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02:09:52,720 --> 02:09:56,040
Speaker 16: that struggle because we were not being treated even stilly

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Speaker 16: as human beings. And then Brother Malcolm came up and said,

2363
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Speaker 16: there's something superior to civil rights, which is human rights.

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Speaker 16: And I was wondering how that Baba thinks about understanding

2365
02:10:09,720 --> 02:10:15,080
Speaker 16: human rights. And we have a leader now, Reverend Al Sharkter,

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Speaker 16: who says he's America's premier civil rights leader. How does

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02:10:19,880 --> 02:10:24,640
Speaker 16: human rights come in, especially when we have a anti

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02:10:24,760 --> 02:10:30,880
Speaker 16: humanity stream of thought. Whereas we're given one of the

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Speaker 16: things I love about Malcolm, he said that we have

2370
02:10:32,640 --> 02:10:35,040
Speaker 16: learned to think with our own minds. We're given this

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02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:39,200
Speaker 16: narrative now where two people were killed in Brown University,

2372
02:10:40,080 --> 02:10:43,680
Speaker 16: fifteen were killed in Australia. But we seem to have

2373
02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:47,800
Speaker 16: overlooked the fact that tens of thousands were massacred and

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02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:53,840
Speaker 16: killed in Palestine and a whole nation has been destroyed

2375
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:57,200
Speaker 16: or wiped out or attacked. How do we get back

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02:10:57,240 --> 02:11:03,440
Speaker 16: to the idea of human rights emphasizing the humanity of all.

2377
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:06,320
Speaker 16: I was wondering how he feels about the human rights

2378
02:11:06,360 --> 02:11:08,840
Speaker 16: issue as opposed to the civil rights issue.

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Speaker 12: Okay, let me respond by saying, there's something between two. Yes,

2380
02:11:16,520 --> 02:11:22,560
Speaker 12: human rights are important, but black aspirations in black advancement

2381
02:11:23,000 --> 02:11:26,880
Speaker 12: and black rights has to come before that. In other words,

2382
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:30,640
Speaker 12: peoples of the world, whether they're the Chinese or the

2383
02:11:30,680 --> 02:11:35,280
Speaker 12: Palestinians or anybody else in the world, put their emphasis

2384
02:11:35,320 --> 02:11:41,839
Speaker 12: on their people and their right their elevation. We can't

2385
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:46,080
Speaker 12: go from, you know, a white frame of reference to

2386
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:49,800
Speaker 12: an international frame of reference. We got to go from

2387
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:51,760
Speaker 12: a white frame of reference to a black frame of

2388
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:56,040
Speaker 12: reference and see how that fits into an international there. So,

2389
02:11:56,200 --> 02:11:59,600
Speaker 12: our primary job isn't to be concerned about human rights,

2390
02:12:00,120 --> 02:12:03,600
Speaker 12: is be concerned about our rights, you know, our power?

2391
02:12:04,240 --> 02:12:08,000
Speaker 12: Uh uh? And then yes, we don't we don't want

2392
02:12:08,040 --> 02:12:09,680
Speaker 12: to be in a position we don't want to oppress

2393
02:12:09,720 --> 02:12:13,800
Speaker 12: other people. Yes, that's clear. So, but we're not the

2394
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:16,080
Speaker 12: kind of people who do oppress other people. We're the

2395
02:12:16,160 --> 02:12:20,040
Speaker 12: kind of people who get oppressed by other people. So,

2396
02:12:20,360 --> 02:12:22,960
Speaker 12: you know, we can't be sure that the Chinese, or

2397
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:27,320
Speaker 12: that the Russians, or that the Palestinians forever or anybody

2398
02:12:27,320 --> 02:12:29,840
Speaker 12: else in the world are going to treat us the

2399
02:12:29,880 --> 02:12:33,160
Speaker 12: way we would want to be treated. We have to

2400
02:12:33,160 --> 02:12:35,480
Speaker 12: be concerned about how we want to be treated, which

2401
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:38,480
Speaker 12: means we have to increase our power base. We have

2402
02:12:38,640 --> 02:12:43,400
Speaker 12: to focus on ourselves. Yes, we had not oppressed other people.

2403
02:12:43,600 --> 02:12:46,400
Speaker 12: Yes we cannot be a position we don't want to

2404
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:50,440
Speaker 12: be the oppressors of other people. But we our primary

2405
02:12:50,520 --> 02:12:53,480
Speaker 12: job is to stop other people from oppressing us. And

2406
02:12:55,560 --> 02:13:00,000
Speaker 12: so you know, there is a there's an interim between

2407
02:13:00,200 --> 02:13:04,040
Speaker 12: an interim step between uh, you know.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 12: Wanting to live and the side and wanting to save

2410
02:13:11,320 --> 02:13:16,680
Speaker 12: the world, and that step is saving ourselves then then

2411
02:13:16,760 --> 02:13:20,000
Speaker 12: trying to take when we gained the power, use our

2412
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:22,200
Speaker 12: power to save the world. But in the meantime, we

2413
02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:24,640
Speaker 12: have to gain the power to be able to do that.

2414
02:13:26,360 --> 02:13:29,120
Speaker 10: Sure, I sure I sure, I hear you.

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Speaker 12: Brother.

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Speaker 1: You take it away from the top. Baba Lama. You

2417
02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:36,839
Speaker 1: mentioned that we have an ambivalence about some some negative

2418
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:39,240
Speaker 1: something positive aoutus. But isn't it the same thing on

2419
02:13:39,280 --> 02:13:41,760
Speaker 1: the content our brothers and sisters have the same issue.

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02:13:42,760 --> 02:13:44,880
Speaker 12: Well yeah, because we're in the same thing. We have

2421
02:13:45,160 --> 02:13:48,800
Speaker 12: for different reasons, we have the same issue. Yes, that's true.

2422
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:52,720
Speaker 12: I I was talking to a sister the other day

2423
02:13:52,760 --> 02:13:58,000
Speaker 12: who was a sister from Nigeria, and so I asked her,

2424
02:13:58,040 --> 02:14:00,520
Speaker 12: you know not She said, well, I'm I'm an Nigerian.

2425
02:14:00,600 --> 02:14:03,200
Speaker 12: I said, well, what does that mean? You're europa you're

2426
02:14:03,400 --> 02:14:07,040
Speaker 12: euro Khan. What are you? She said, no, I'm just

2427
02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:10,480
Speaker 12: a Nigerian. She said, well, I said, well, you know,

2428
02:14:10,640 --> 02:14:16,480
Speaker 12: Nigeria was what Europeans created. Nigerian English people drew those lines.

2429
02:14:17,160 --> 02:14:20,800
Speaker 12: You know, the countries in Africa weren't created by Africans.

2430
02:14:21,160 --> 02:14:25,480
Speaker 12: They cross ethnic lines that weren't created by Africans. So

2431
02:14:25,880 --> 02:14:29,080
Speaker 12: you know, we have the same Africans also exist in

2432
02:14:29,120 --> 02:14:33,960
Speaker 12: a white frame of reference because they're very countries that

2433
02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:37,600
Speaker 12: they identify with now are not the products of their

2434
02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:42,560
Speaker 12: own culture. They're the products of what Europeans have decided

2435
02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:46,520
Speaker 12: they want to slice Africa into so you know, this

2436
02:14:46,600 --> 02:14:49,400
Speaker 12: creates another problem. And then you know, and they speak

2437
02:14:49,440 --> 02:14:52,720
Speaker 12: their their colonial language. If you're from a French country,

2438
02:14:52,760 --> 02:14:55,040
Speaker 12: you speak France. If you're from an English speaking country,

2439
02:14:55,080 --> 02:14:58,040
Speaker 12: you speak English as well as your own travel. They're

2440
02:14:58,080 --> 02:15:02,000
Speaker 12: in a better position in that they have greater contacts

2441
02:15:02,040 --> 02:15:04,920
Speaker 12: with their cultural paths. So they speak their own language,

2442
02:15:04,920 --> 02:15:07,120
Speaker 12: they speak Europe, or they speak a Khan, or they

2443
02:15:07,120 --> 02:15:11,839
Speaker 12: speak Zulu, or they speak a language that is African,

2444
02:15:12,440 --> 02:15:15,640
Speaker 12: so they are closer to their Africans. But they also

2445
02:15:15,960 --> 02:15:20,880
Speaker 12: have this ambivalence, different forms of the same ambivalence that

2446
02:15:20,920 --> 02:15:24,240
Speaker 12: we have. They also look to those people and have

2447
02:15:24,360 --> 02:15:28,720
Speaker 12: a frame of reference that sees those people in ways

2448
02:15:28,760 --> 02:15:32,240
Speaker 12: that are complementary and see themselves in their own cultures

2449
02:15:32,520 --> 02:15:37,320
Speaker 12: in the way that is that are inferior or less than. So, yes,

2450
02:15:38,120 --> 02:15:40,680
Speaker 12: we all have the same ambivalence, but it's not the

2451
02:15:40,720 --> 02:15:44,720
Speaker 12: same ambivalence. It's not based on the same realities. Africans

2452
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:47,720
Speaker 12: definitely have an ambivalence. They're not really the face up

2453
02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:50,560
Speaker 12: to But you know, I always tell them, I said,

2454
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:55,160
Speaker 12: look here, your country was the lines that created your country,

2455
02:15:55,160 --> 02:15:58,880
Speaker 12: whether it's Ghana or Senegal or were created by white people.

2456
02:15:59,400 --> 02:16:03,520
Speaker 12: The African didn't do that. Africans didn't make you a Nigerian.

2457
02:16:04,720 --> 02:16:07,800
Speaker 12: You know, your people made you a europe They made

2458
02:16:07,800 --> 02:16:11,520
Speaker 12: you in a Khan, they made you a Zulu, they

2459
02:16:11,560 --> 02:16:17,120
Speaker 12: made you whatever your ethnicity is within the African context.

2460
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:21,240
Speaker 12: And when Africa tried well, for example, when the Opera

2461
02:16:21,600 --> 02:16:26,480
Speaker 12: tried to create a homeland for the Ebrews, what happened.

2462
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:29,920
Speaker 12: People like Stokely said no, we gotta go, we gotta

2463
02:16:30,120 --> 02:16:34,400
Speaker 12: we gotta oppose that. We you know, it's like saying,

2464
02:16:34,680 --> 02:16:40,000
Speaker 12: you know, we gotta stay in the context of what

2465
02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:44,200
Speaker 12: Europeans created. The lines that these drew great drew, not

2466
02:16:44,360 --> 02:16:47,800
Speaker 12: the lines that Africans drew. So it's the same problem,

2467
02:16:47,840 --> 02:16:52,440
Speaker 12: it's just manifests itself differently. We have to realize that

2468
02:16:52,560 --> 02:16:56,119
Speaker 12: all of us as black people don't have a sufficient

2469
02:16:56,440 --> 02:17:01,800
Speaker 12: enough African frame of reference to create the solidarity that

2470
02:17:01,879 --> 02:17:08,279
Speaker 12: we need to change our situation and combat the oppression

2471
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:12,400
Speaker 12: that we face that requires our unity. Our unity must

2472
02:17:12,480 --> 02:17:17,200
Speaker 12: be must be created through that reality. Lets me, we

2473
02:17:17,280 --> 02:17:21,880
Speaker 12: are not Africans do not escape the reality of their oppression,

2474
02:17:22,440 --> 02:17:26,240
Speaker 12: creating the ambivalence about themselves their own culture and their

2475
02:17:26,280 --> 02:17:30,880
Speaker 12: own people. They just manifested a little differently than we manifested.

2476
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:32,960
Speaker 12: But it's the same problem.

2477
02:17:33,640 --> 02:17:34,880
Speaker 1: Got it? Hold up all right there? We got a

2478
02:17:34,879 --> 02:17:36,840
Speaker 1: step aside. When we come back, though, explain to us,

2479
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:39,560
Speaker 1: because we've got some folks on this side of the

2480
02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:43,600
Speaker 1: planet who don't want to be African, you know, Ados,

2481
02:17:43,720 --> 02:17:47,560
Speaker 1: or the foundation of America, anything but African. They cleave

2482
02:17:47,640 --> 02:17:49,720
Speaker 1: to the stars and stripes instead of the red, green,

2483
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:52,440
Speaker 1: and black. What do you say to those folks who

2484
02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:56,920
Speaker 1: seem to be misinformed and low information, folks who don't understand,

2485
02:17:56,959 --> 02:17:59,160
Speaker 1: who don't know who they are, and so the people

2486
02:17:59,160 --> 02:18:01,480
Speaker 1: who follow them obviously don't know who they are, So

2487
02:18:01,560 --> 02:18:04,440
Speaker 1: that anything somebody tells you you are, you believe. But

2488
02:18:04,480 --> 02:18:07,320
Speaker 1: what do you say to those folks who follow that prescription?

2489
02:18:07,400 --> 02:18:08,880
Speaker 1: And I'll let you respond when we get back. We'll

2490
02:18:08,920 --> 02:18:11,160
Speaker 1: hold the thought. Babblam. We guys take a short break

2491
02:18:11,320 --> 02:18:13,080
Speaker 1: four minutes away from the top day our family. You

2492
02:18:13,080 --> 02:18:15,480
Speaker 1: two can get in on this conversation with Baba la Mumba.

2493
02:18:15,560 --> 02:18:17,480
Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

2494
02:18:17,600 --> 02:18:20,879
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.

2495
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:23,440
Speaker 1: Next Tank Grand Rising family. Thanks for rolling with us

2496
02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:25,440
Speaker 1: on this Tuesday morning. Here with our guests. The Babbla

2497
02:18:25,480 --> 02:18:27,640
Speaker 1: La Mumba Babba Lamumba is one of our grills works

2498
02:18:27,640 --> 02:18:30,840
Speaker 1: out of Emoja House in Washington, DC. It's a house

2499
02:18:30,840 --> 02:18:33,119
Speaker 1: where a council of elders and they have these great

2500
02:18:33,120 --> 02:18:35,760
Speaker 1: discussions and they bring them on the radio. Right now,

2501
02:18:35,800 --> 02:18:39,040
Speaker 1: babl La Momas is talking about resolving the ambivalence that

2502
02:18:39,080 --> 02:18:41,560
Speaker 1: we have about ourselves. We always have some negative feelings

2503
02:18:41,560 --> 02:18:44,840
Speaker 1: about ourselves and some positive feelings about ourselves. Some people

2504
02:18:44,879 --> 02:18:47,720
Speaker 1: don't like to discuss it at all. And it happens

2505
02:18:47,800 --> 02:18:50,120
Speaker 1: all of us have had these thoughts because we've been

2506
02:18:50,200 --> 02:18:53,640
Speaker 1: programmed that way. But some of us are having an awakening.

2507
02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:56,039
Speaker 1: But some groups who don't want to be awake, they

2508
02:18:56,040 --> 02:19:00,080
Speaker 1: want to still cleave to the colonial master's way of

2509
02:19:00,120 --> 02:19:03,080
Speaker 1: life and that whole setup that they believe that and

2510
02:19:03,440 --> 02:19:06,000
Speaker 1: they put down people who want to grow and want

2511
02:19:06,040 --> 02:19:09,120
Speaker 1: to and want to move on into an African standard space. So,

2512
02:19:09,160 --> 02:19:11,000
Speaker 1: Baba Lamba, how do we deal with those folks? Do

2513
02:19:11,080 --> 02:19:12,119
Speaker 1: we just ignore them?

2514
02:19:13,560 --> 02:19:16,400
Speaker 12: I would think so. I think they'll come around as

2515
02:19:16,440 --> 02:19:20,720
Speaker 12: we create an alternative that that's viable, they'll begin to

2516
02:19:20,760 --> 02:19:24,320
Speaker 12: accept that. Just like I think Quans is a good example.

2517
02:19:24,879 --> 02:19:29,320
Speaker 12: Before we had quans, nobody could actually conceptualize. But now

2518
02:19:29,320 --> 02:19:32,480
Speaker 12: that it's here, a lot of people participated who would

2519
02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:35,400
Speaker 12: never have participated and unless they it was there for

2520
02:19:35,520 --> 02:19:39,800
Speaker 12: them to experience. So when we create realities that people

2521
02:19:39,840 --> 02:19:43,920
Speaker 12: can join, they will join because they will they will

2522
02:19:44,280 --> 02:19:48,320
Speaker 12: manifest themselves in ways that allow for their participation. So

2523
02:19:48,360 --> 02:19:52,039
Speaker 12: our job is to create alternatives that allow for their participation.

2524
02:19:52,720 --> 02:19:57,560
Speaker 12: Build communities, build relationships with each other, build connections between

2525
02:19:57,640 --> 02:20:03,199
Speaker 12: ourselves based on our ves values, and demonstrate the people

2526
02:20:03,360 --> 02:20:06,960
Speaker 12: that they will work and they will not only save us,

2527
02:20:07,360 --> 02:20:10,920
Speaker 12: but they have the great potential to saving hope the planet.

2528
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:14,600
Speaker 12: But you know that we can get away from the

2529
02:20:14,680 --> 02:20:18,560
Speaker 12: kind of selfishness, the kind of individualism, the kind of

2530
02:20:19,400 --> 02:20:23,840
Speaker 12: self focus that this society represents. That this so we

2531
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:28,959
Speaker 12: we that we we're just infected by infected by our

2532
02:20:29,800 --> 02:20:33,320
Speaker 12: We learn to compete against one another, not to cooperate

2533
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:36,680
Speaker 12: with one another. The values that we represent will teach

2534
02:20:36,760 --> 02:20:41,199
Speaker 12: us and will allow us to learn how to cooperate

2535
02:20:41,240 --> 02:20:44,279
Speaker 12: with one another. You know they will. You know, capitalism

2536
02:20:44,360 --> 02:20:48,520
Speaker 12: is based on winners and losers. You know our way

2537
02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:53,160
Speaker 12: of life is based based on everybody winning, all of

2538
02:20:53,240 --> 02:20:55,840
Speaker 12: us winning, all of us helping each other, all of

2539
02:20:55,920 --> 02:20:58,920
Speaker 12: us cooperating with it. We cooperate with each other, so

2540
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:03,680
Speaker 12: we have to build those things, you know. We we

2541
02:21:03,720 --> 02:21:08,480
Speaker 12: didn't understand that that Nappi hair was good hair until

2542
02:21:08,480 --> 02:21:11,680
Speaker 12: we start wearing him. James Brown didn't sing us. I

2543
02:21:11,720 --> 02:21:15,040
Speaker 12: think sing I'm saying aloud I'm black and I'm proud.

2544
02:21:15,360 --> 02:21:19,000
Speaker 12: So he cut his his process off and was wearing

2545
02:21:19,040 --> 02:21:21,240
Speaker 12: a natural. He didn't sing say it loud, I'm black

2546
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:25,520
Speaker 12: and I'm proud with straightened hair. He sang it with

2547
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:28,400
Speaker 12: with with a big bush on his head. Because he

2548
02:21:28,560 --> 02:21:32,080
Speaker 12: was influenced by other people. Now, if he before he

2549
02:21:32,160 --> 02:21:35,199
Speaker 12: got those influence he would have denied it. He wouldn't

2550
02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:38,040
Speaker 12: have He would have said that his hair didn't mean anything,

2551
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:41,959
Speaker 12: that it was a good hair. But once he realized

2552
02:21:42,040 --> 02:21:46,119
Speaker 12: that it was that Nappi hair was good hair, he

2553
02:21:46,200 --> 02:21:48,840
Speaker 12: created a song that we can use as an anthem

2554
02:21:49,320 --> 02:21:53,120
Speaker 12: and and and and allowed his and walk and sang

2555
02:21:53,160 --> 02:21:55,120
Speaker 12: it with a bush.

2556
02:21:55,800 --> 02:21:58,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, buy let me jump in here. I'm that

2557
02:21:58,280 --> 02:22:01,120
Speaker 1: issue too, Uh baba la mama. That didn't last. We

2558
02:22:01,160 --> 02:22:04,240
Speaker 1: went through that period where black is beautiful. We had adkis,

2559
02:22:04,440 --> 02:22:08,520
Speaker 1: pigs froze and the whole nine yards, and we embraced

2560
02:22:08,520 --> 02:22:10,039
Speaker 1: each other that black was beautiful.

2561
02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:14,880
Speaker 12: What happened, well, I mean, it's still happening, Carl. It

2562
02:22:15,120 --> 02:22:17,760
Speaker 12: just we up and down. You know, this is a

2563
02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:21,360
Speaker 12: sort of a seesaw effect. We you know, the long

2564
02:22:21,480 --> 02:22:25,080
Speaker 12: term advances that many of the gains that we made

2565
02:22:25,240 --> 02:22:28,160
Speaker 12: still exist. A lot of young black brothers and sisters,

2566
02:22:28,200 --> 02:22:30,440
Speaker 12: Like I said, I was on Howard's campus. Most of

2567
02:22:30,480 --> 02:22:33,760
Speaker 12: the women up there and natural hair. They didn't have

2568
02:22:33,840 --> 02:22:36,120
Speaker 12: that what I was called to school up there, Most

2569
02:22:36,120 --> 02:22:39,240
Speaker 12: of them had straight hair. We we have made some

2570
02:22:39,360 --> 02:22:44,720
Speaker 12: gains that have lasted. And you know, but our opposition

2571
02:22:46,200 --> 02:22:50,400
Speaker 12: ensures that, well we will, we will regress. They will

2572
02:22:50,480 --> 02:22:56,680
Speaker 12: reward people for for regressing. Regressing, they will, they will fight.

2573
02:22:56,760 --> 02:23:00,920
Speaker 12: We're you know, we're in the struggle for ourselves. So

2574
02:23:00,959 --> 02:23:03,840
Speaker 12: it's up and down. The question is are we slowly

2575
02:23:03,959 --> 02:23:08,320
Speaker 12: making real progress? I said, yes, we are. All of

2576
02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:11,920
Speaker 12: the progress who we have made has not been negated.

2577
02:23:12,400 --> 02:23:14,879
Speaker 12: There are many more black people now who have a

2578
02:23:14,920 --> 02:23:19,280
Speaker 12: greater appreciation and sense of value about than there used

2579
02:23:19,320 --> 02:23:22,360
Speaker 12: to be. And that's what we have to use the

2580
02:23:22,480 --> 02:23:25,560
Speaker 12: judge it. It's not going to be a straight a

2581
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:29,280
Speaker 12: straight line upward. It's not going to be it's going

2582
02:23:29,360 --> 02:23:34,080
Speaker 12: to be up and down. But I would say that

2583
02:23:34,200 --> 02:23:37,600
Speaker 12: we're much better than we were twenty thirty, forty years ago.

2584
02:23:37,680 --> 02:23:40,720
Speaker 12: We're much better than we were now. We have values

2585
02:23:40,760 --> 02:23:44,640
Speaker 12: that are much more consistent, even though they are taking

2586
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:51,080
Speaker 12: a beating, even though they're being assaulted by society. But

2587
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:55,760
Speaker 12: society has not negated them. It is set them back,

2588
02:23:55,920 --> 02:23:58,199
Speaker 12: but it has not negated them. We are still making

2589
02:23:58,280 --> 02:24:03,480
Speaker 12: progress and we are still on a path towards a

2590
02:24:03,600 --> 02:24:09,160
Speaker 12: self self appreciation that society will not be because it's

2591
02:24:09,200 --> 02:24:13,080
Speaker 12: society itself is dying. The society that is fighting against

2592
02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:16,520
Speaker 12: us is in its death throws. You know.

2593
02:24:18,280 --> 02:24:19,360
Speaker 1: Let me tell you here for a second.

2594
02:24:19,720 --> 02:24:20,959
Speaker 12: That's what Donald.

2595
02:24:20,840 --> 02:24:22,879
Speaker 1: When I was going there with with with Donald Trump,

2596
02:24:23,000 --> 02:24:25,280
Speaker 1: the Trump effect here at six after the top, that

2597
02:24:25,440 --> 02:24:28,080
Speaker 1: with Boba Lamumba. The fact that Donald Trump is rolling

2598
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:31,640
Speaker 1: back so many of our civil rights and issues, the

2599
02:24:31,640 --> 02:24:34,440
Speaker 1: things that we took for granted, the brothers and sisters

2600
02:24:34,480 --> 02:24:37,199
Speaker 1: for for in the sixties. Do you think you've seen

2601
02:24:37,240 --> 02:24:42,840
Speaker 1: an awakening or reawakening of black is beautiful that we

2602
02:24:43,080 --> 02:24:47,400
Speaker 1: now cleaving we saw we see a slight example HBCUs

2603
02:24:47,440 --> 02:24:51,400
Speaker 1: the campuses where our youngsters are going to our schools

2604
02:24:51,440 --> 02:24:53,440
Speaker 1: instead of trying to get into these white colleges, since

2605
02:24:53,480 --> 02:24:55,560
Speaker 1: he's blocking the way for us to go there. But

2606
02:24:56,040 --> 02:24:59,360
Speaker 1: other than that, are you seeing a ground swell in

2607
02:24:59,440 --> 02:25:01,119
Speaker 1: the black commun Well, all of a sudden, now we've

2608
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:02,959
Speaker 1: got oh wait, okay, we don't need and we can

2609
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:05,840
Speaker 1: do this on our own. That yet Babola MoMA.

2610
02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:10,400
Speaker 12: Well, well, I see that there's some of that, and

2611
02:25:10,440 --> 02:25:14,280
Speaker 12: I think it will grow. My prediction is that it

2612
02:25:14,320 --> 02:25:18,640
Speaker 12: will become stronger. I think the damage that he's doing

2613
02:25:18,879 --> 02:25:23,879
Speaker 12: is awakening people to the reality is that what he

2614
02:25:23,959 --> 02:25:28,640
Speaker 12: represents is still a potent factor against us and that

2615
02:25:29,080 --> 02:25:31,800
Speaker 12: so I see some of that happening, and I think

2616
02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:36,800
Speaker 12: it will increase. I think that the the results of

2617
02:25:37,959 --> 02:25:42,760
Speaker 12: because he's such an obvious negative factor. I mean, it's

2618
02:25:42,800 --> 02:25:46,000
Speaker 12: it's hard for black people to ignore Donald Trump. You

2619
02:25:46,160 --> 02:25:50,800
Speaker 12: mean that's I mean, he's he's so egregious, he's so

2620
02:25:51,440 --> 02:25:57,920
Speaker 12: ridiculous when it comes to uh, it's almost like you

2621
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:00,800
Speaker 12: have a crew clus glad member of the white you know,

2622
02:26:00,840 --> 02:26:05,240
Speaker 12: it's almost that obvious that his opposition you know, I

2623
02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:09,200
Speaker 12: mean nobody. No black persons saw the klu Kus Klan

2624
02:26:09,640 --> 02:26:13,320
Speaker 12: as a positive element in our community. And no and

2625
02:26:13,480 --> 02:26:17,080
Speaker 12: almost no Black people see Donald Trump. Some some do,

2626
02:26:17,360 --> 02:26:23,160
Speaker 12: some actually pretend to, because the more obvious opportunists would

2627
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:27,640
Speaker 12: gravitate towards Donald Trump, just trying to get on his

2628
02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:30,680
Speaker 12: good side so they can get a leg up against us.

2629
02:26:30,879 --> 02:26:35,040
Speaker 12: But the reality is that he is going weaker and weaker,

2630
02:26:35,720 --> 02:26:39,920
Speaker 12: and that we, you know, we will overcome him and

2631
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:44,800
Speaker 12: we will continue to make progress and his effect will

2632
02:26:44,879 --> 02:26:49,240
Speaker 12: be probably to strengthen our capacity to make progress in

2633
02:26:49,280 --> 02:26:51,880
Speaker 12: the final analysis. Right now, it doesn't seem that way,

2634
02:26:52,600 --> 02:26:54,880
Speaker 12: but my prediction is that it will be that way.

2635
02:26:55,240 --> 02:26:58,240
Speaker 12: Will a year or two or three years from now,

2636
02:26:58,240 --> 02:27:02,920
Speaker 12: when he's gone, you'll see that we we we learned

2637
02:27:02,920 --> 02:27:07,160
Speaker 12: something from him, We gained some momentum from him, We

2638
02:27:07,280 --> 02:27:11,680
Speaker 12: gained some strength from him, and his opposition became stronger,

2639
02:27:12,200 --> 02:27:14,640
Speaker 12: and we're we'll be in a better position. That's my

2640
02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:18,520
Speaker 12: prediction that we will be in a stronger position when

2641
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:22,960
Speaker 12: he leaves than we are now, in part because of him,

2642
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:27,560
Speaker 12: because of his audacious, ridiculous posture that he takes that

2643
02:27:27,680 --> 02:27:31,360
Speaker 12: allows people to understand and to see what it is

2644
02:27:31,400 --> 02:27:33,200
Speaker 12: that we're opposed to and what it is we have

2645
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:38,440
Speaker 12: to fight, and the dangers involved in in going along

2646
02:27:38,560 --> 02:27:40,520
Speaker 12: with what he represents.

2647
02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:44,039
Speaker 1: You know, having said it though a ten half the

2648
02:27:44,040 --> 02:27:47,440
Speaker 1: top of a bubblum, how do weplace just for example,

2649
02:27:47,520 --> 02:27:51,120
Speaker 1: the artifacts in the museum downtown, a bit of taken out,

2650
02:27:51,360 --> 02:27:56,240
Speaker 1: anything that depicts that slavey was was was against humanity,

2651
02:27:56,360 --> 02:27:58,640
Speaker 1: all these little things that they subtle changes and some

2652
02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:01,960
Speaker 1: not so subtle changes he has made in our society

2653
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:04,400
Speaker 1: living in this country. How are we going to replace that?

2654
02:28:04,480 --> 02:28:07,440
Speaker 1: Because young people coming up with things of slavery with

2655
02:28:07,480 --> 02:28:09,960
Speaker 1: some sort of a holiday if they know believe what

2656
02:28:10,240 --> 02:28:12,959
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is trying to tell us? So how do

2657
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:14,000
Speaker 1: we change that? Though?

2658
02:28:14,440 --> 02:28:17,680
Speaker 12: I think that the forces against that will will prevail.

2659
02:28:19,000 --> 02:28:21,039
Speaker 12: And how long it takes it to prevail, and what

2660
02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:25,440
Speaker 12: damage will we will result I can't predict, but I

2661
02:28:25,480 --> 02:28:29,959
Speaker 12: think the forces against that, and it's such an obvious

2662
02:28:31,240 --> 02:28:35,240
Speaker 12: negative impact that we will learn from that impact and

2663
02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:38,640
Speaker 12: we will we will be able to reverse it. Those

2664
02:28:38,680 --> 02:28:43,640
Speaker 12: things will be put back because it's obvious. You know,

2665
02:28:43,720 --> 02:28:47,240
Speaker 12: you're not going to slavery was, You're not going to

2666
02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:51,480
Speaker 12: pretend as that slavey didn't exist. Everybody knows it exists.

2667
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:53,440
Speaker 12: You're not going to burn all the books that talked

2668
02:28:53,480 --> 02:28:55,920
Speaker 12: about slavery. You're not going to get rid of it.

2669
02:28:56,000 --> 02:28:58,680
Speaker 12: So people will know that it exists, and they will

2670
02:28:58,680 --> 02:29:02,640
Speaker 12: know that somebody tried to and they will react accordingly.

2671
02:29:03,200 --> 02:29:06,840
Speaker 12: So he is not going to be able to set

2672
02:29:06,959 --> 02:29:11,680
Speaker 12: us back to the degree in which we're not affected

2673
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:15,920
Speaker 12: by basic knowledge and understanding of our lives, because the

2674
02:29:15,959 --> 02:29:19,200
Speaker 12: books are out there, the information is out there, and

2675
02:29:19,240 --> 02:29:23,600
Speaker 12: he himself and his minions and his people will not

2676
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:27,480
Speaker 12: be able to erase that. You know, you can't erase

2677
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:32,520
Speaker 12: history once it's understood. You can temporarily impact on it,

2678
02:29:32,760 --> 02:29:35,760
Speaker 12: but you can't erase it. And because he can't erase it,

2679
02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:39,120
Speaker 12: we will always have the capacity to refer to it,

2680
02:29:39,160 --> 02:29:41,320
Speaker 12: to use it. The fact that it's not in one

2681
02:29:41,440 --> 02:29:43,920
Speaker 12: museum doesn't mean that it's not at all those books.

2682
02:29:43,959 --> 02:29:46,039
Speaker 12: It doesn't mean it's not in the life, doesn't mean

2683
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:48,800
Speaker 12: it's not at ours, doesn't mean it's not in the classrooms,

2684
02:29:48,840 --> 02:29:52,520
Speaker 12: doesn't mean that it's not being taught by teachers who

2685
02:29:53,720 --> 02:29:57,560
Speaker 12: our teachers or history teachers will talk about slavery, will

2686
02:29:57,560 --> 02:30:02,760
Speaker 12: talk about his impacts, will our young people to experience this.

2687
02:30:03,080 --> 02:30:07,360
Speaker 12: Donald Trump does not have the power the negate the

2688
02:30:07,440 --> 02:30:11,760
Speaker 12: lessons of slavery, doesn't have that power, and he and

2689
02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:15,240
Speaker 12: he and him trying to assume that power will only

2690
02:30:15,280 --> 02:30:19,359
Speaker 12: expose him for the for the foolishness that he represents.

2691
02:30:21,280 --> 02:30:23,640
Speaker 1: Twelve after top you know you mentioned earlier about the music,

2692
02:30:24,160 --> 02:30:27,520
Speaker 1: say loud, I'm black and I'm priord uh James Brown

2693
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:31,560
Speaker 1: song and he did that with Khalid almansor doctor Almansur.

2694
02:30:31,600 --> 02:30:34,160
Speaker 1: You knew doctor Manso before I did. You knew him

2695
02:30:34,440 --> 02:30:36,960
Speaker 1: with his slave name, if you will, but he was

2696
02:30:37,000 --> 02:30:40,160
Speaker 1: one of the most impactful persons on this planet. Uh.

2697
02:30:40,520 --> 02:30:43,560
Speaker 1: But going back to the music, though, Baba la momba,

2698
02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:46,080
Speaker 1: how do you see the music as a driver to

2699
02:30:46,640 --> 02:30:50,000
Speaker 1: bradge a gap between us reality, who we are and

2700
02:30:50,080 --> 02:30:52,440
Speaker 1: who they want us to be? Because we're not hearing

2701
02:30:52,440 --> 02:30:55,039
Speaker 1: the music that we heard in the sixties to seventies

2702
02:30:55,480 --> 02:30:59,840
Speaker 1: that you know, uh, lifted us up. The message is

2703
02:30:59,879 --> 02:31:02,480
Speaker 1: not all those music, those songs, those positive songs. Now

2704
02:31:02,520 --> 02:31:05,000
Speaker 1: we're hearing what they call music and some of us.

2705
02:31:05,080 --> 02:31:06,920
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that, because it is music to

2706
02:31:06,959 --> 02:31:13,039
Speaker 1: this generation, but it's degrading and they're degrading as a people,

2707
02:31:13,080 --> 02:31:16,880
Speaker 1: our sisters especially, How do we flip that around? Because

2708
02:31:16,879 --> 02:31:19,080
Speaker 1: that's the music is so infectious, and there's some of

2709
02:31:19,080 --> 02:31:22,039
Speaker 1: these young folks who minds of not being developed, they

2710
02:31:22,120 --> 02:31:23,920
Speaker 1: buy into what they hear. Some of these people who

2711
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:25,640
Speaker 1: producing these these songs.

2712
02:31:26,200 --> 02:31:32,680
Speaker 12: Well, yeah, I think that's temporary. I think that you know,

2713
02:31:32,800 --> 02:31:37,119
Speaker 12: the positive music that we produce, like we use James

2714
02:31:37,160 --> 02:31:39,720
Speaker 12: Brown say loud, I'm black and up broa, Well, that's

2715
02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:42,000
Speaker 12: always going to be around. People will always be able

2716
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:48,879
Speaker 12: to hear that. You know, we will. We will. They

2717
02:31:48,920 --> 02:31:54,760
Speaker 12: will not be able to erase the positive impacts of

2718
02:31:54,760 --> 02:31:59,600
Speaker 12: our music, although they will try, clearly, but my guess

2719
02:31:59,680 --> 02:32:02,600
Speaker 12: is that it will not be completely successful. And our

2720
02:32:02,800 --> 02:32:06,680
Speaker 12: our our job people of our generation, is to is

2721
02:32:06,760 --> 02:32:10,920
Speaker 12: to is to present, that is to show, that is

2722
02:32:10,959 --> 02:32:15,560
Speaker 12: to expose, that is to make sure that we that

2723
02:32:15,680 --> 02:32:20,000
Speaker 12: our younger generation are younger generation on you. I understand that,

2724
02:32:20,480 --> 02:32:24,360
Speaker 12: But my feeling is that what you experienced as a

2725
02:32:25,080 --> 02:32:28,960
Speaker 12: setback is only temporary. It really is, as far as

2726
02:32:29,000 --> 02:32:30,520
Speaker 12: I'm concerned, only temporary.

2727
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:32,160
Speaker 10: We will all right, let.

2728
02:32:32,080 --> 02:32:33,760
Speaker 1: Me let me let me throw this at you. Do

2729
02:32:33,800 --> 02:32:37,080
Speaker 1: you think if a song that not necessarily the same

2730
02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:40,040
Speaker 1: words that James Brown did say loud, I'm black and

2731
02:32:40,080 --> 02:32:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm proud, and so some of these hip hop artists

2732
02:32:43,520 --> 02:32:46,440
Speaker 1: did a song like that convey the same message. Do

2733
02:32:46,480 --> 02:32:49,400
Speaker 1: you think how people would understand whether they gravitate to it?

2734
02:32:52,040 --> 02:32:56,200
Speaker 12: Well, you know, and during this period right now, it

2735
02:32:56,320 --> 02:32:59,760
Speaker 12: probably is not going to happen, but I think that

2736
02:33:00,240 --> 02:33:02,920
Speaker 12: it won't be long before it can and will happen.

2737
02:33:04,200 --> 02:33:07,520
Speaker 12: And when it happens, it'll be ready because you know,

2738
02:33:07,640 --> 02:33:11,520
Speaker 12: things happen on a cultural level at the point in

2739
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:13,640
Speaker 12: which people are ready to receive them. They have to

2740
02:33:13,640 --> 02:33:15,640
Speaker 12: be able to put it out there and they have

2741
02:33:15,720 --> 02:33:18,840
Speaker 12: to people have to accept it. And the other reason

2742
02:33:18,959 --> 02:33:21,400
Speaker 12: James Brown's song, or the reason that so many of

2743
02:33:21,680 --> 02:33:26,040
Speaker 12: the other songs at the time Curtis Mayfield songs or

2744
02:33:26,080 --> 02:33:32,520
Speaker 12: other songs were were accepted, is that people understood and

2745
02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:38,680
Speaker 12: related to the message. So you know, uh, people will

2746
02:33:38,760 --> 02:33:41,480
Speaker 12: understand and relate to the message when the message comes around,

2747
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:44,960
Speaker 12: But otherwise it won't be successful. But you know, I

2748
02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:49,040
Speaker 12: think that that that we will, we will be able

2749
02:33:49,160 --> 02:33:56,960
Speaker 12: to appreciate collectively appreciate our own elevation as a people,

2750
02:33:57,160 --> 02:33:59,520
Speaker 12: and I think that's more than anything else how how

2751
02:33:59,680 --> 02:34:04,920
Speaker 12: how we bought into this kind of individualism, this competition

2752
02:34:05,040 --> 02:34:07,600
Speaker 12: between us? How do we what is the context in

2753
02:34:07,680 --> 02:34:14,760
Speaker 12: which we are oriented towards our collective aspirations as opposed

2754
02:34:14,800 --> 02:34:19,440
Speaker 12: to our individual needs, our individual wants? You know, I

2755
02:34:19,440 --> 02:34:22,520
Speaker 12: think that's a more basic question. To what extent can

2756
02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:29,840
Speaker 12: we focus on our collective self versus our individual desires?

2757
02:34:29,959 --> 02:34:35,920
Speaker 12: If you will? It's kind of like, you know, whether

2758
02:34:35,959 --> 02:34:40,280
Speaker 12: we want you know, I mean, you know, I want

2759
02:34:40,280 --> 02:34:44,320
Speaker 12: a Cadillac, you know they used to be there, or

2760
02:34:44,520 --> 02:34:49,439
Speaker 12: I want the Mercedes versus I want transportation and knee transportation.

2761
02:34:49,680 --> 02:34:55,640
Speaker 12: You know, the fundamental values and the competition between each

2762
02:34:55,680 --> 02:34:59,000
Speaker 12: other others. I don't think we've lost that. I think

2763
02:34:59,040 --> 02:35:01,959
Speaker 12: that we will we turn to a set of values

2764
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:06,600
Speaker 12: that are more consistent with our movement, our collective struggle,

2765
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:10,840
Speaker 12: our collective well being as opposed to our individual desires,

2766
02:35:11,080 --> 02:35:11,440
Speaker 12: because that.

2767
02:35:12,240 --> 02:35:14,360
Speaker 1: Helps you Yeah, hold up? All right there? We got

2768
02:35:14,360 --> 02:35:16,440
Speaker 1: a step aside. When we come back, Brother Shaheed in Brooklyn,

2769
02:35:16,440 --> 02:35:20,520
Speaker 1: Bedsty do a die Bedsty Brooklyn. It has a question

2770
02:35:20,600 --> 02:35:22,360
Speaker 1: for you or a comment. Family, You two can join

2771
02:35:22,440 --> 02:35:24,879
Speaker 1: our conversation with Baba la Mumba. One of our grills

2772
02:35:25,120 --> 02:35:27,040
Speaker 1: just reach out to us at eight hundred four or

2773
02:35:27,080 --> 02:35:30,120
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

2774
02:35:30,120 --> 02:35:33,000
Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising Family facts are staying

2775
02:35:33,000 --> 02:35:35,119
Speaker 1: with us on this Tuesday morning with our guest Baba

2776
02:35:35,200 --> 02:35:37,200
Speaker 1: Lamumba is one of our grills, works out of Emoja

2777
02:35:37,280 --> 02:35:40,600
Speaker 1: House in Washington, DC. He says, we and this is true.

2778
02:35:40,680 --> 02:35:44,280
Speaker 1: You know, our feelings about ourselves are ambivalent. We have

2779
02:35:44,360 --> 02:35:48,240
Speaker 1: these ambivalent feelings, some of them negative, some of them positive.

2780
02:35:48,560 --> 02:35:50,240
Speaker 1: He's trying to teach us this morning how to get

2781
02:35:50,320 --> 02:35:52,680
Speaker 1: rid of the negative ones. Eight hundred four or five

2782
02:35:52,800 --> 02:35:55,200
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy sixth number of calls speak to him.

2783
02:35:55,200 --> 02:35:56,760
Speaker 1: And as I mentioned before we left for the break,

2784
02:35:57,000 --> 02:36:00,640
Speaker 1: Brother shaheedes checking in from Brooklyn is online. One brother

2785
02:36:00,680 --> 02:36:02,279
Speaker 1: Shaheed Baba.

2786
02:36:02,120 --> 02:36:08,080
Speaker 9: La Mumba, Grand Rising, Grand Rising Brother call and through

2787
02:36:08,120 --> 02:36:11,080
Speaker 9: our guests Babla La Mumba. Well, he's not a guest,

2788
02:36:11,120 --> 02:36:15,320
Speaker 9: he's a family member. And Uh, I want to commend

2789
02:36:15,560 --> 02:36:18,000
Speaker 9: the program today in Babla La Mumba and the points

2790
02:36:18,040 --> 02:36:23,080
Speaker 9: he's making. Uh he's speaking about we are making uh

2791
02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:27,800
Speaker 9: to respond to a call to about all were advancing

2792
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:30,800
Speaker 9: and he I agree with him one thousand and one percent.

2793
02:36:31,000 --> 02:36:34,560
Speaker 9: We are advancing. And the example that I would give

2794
02:36:34,560 --> 02:36:38,959
Speaker 9: the add to the example of adequate the uh the

2795
02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:42,800
Speaker 9: expert examples that Babbla la Muma gave was this the

2796
02:36:42,920 --> 02:36:49,080
Speaker 9: position around reparation from the days of the Honorable Marcus

2797
02:36:49,120 --> 02:36:55,680
Speaker 9: Garvey and a Queen Mother Moore UH and Malcolm X

2798
02:36:55,720 --> 02:36:59,520
Speaker 9: to today with the work that was done in two

2799
02:36:59,600 --> 02:37:03,640
Speaker 9: thousand and one in Durban, South Africa, with the durving

2800
02:37:03,760 --> 02:37:08,200
Speaker 9: four hundred Black people, that reparation coming out of that

2801
02:37:08,440 --> 02:37:12,359
Speaker 9: two thousand and one event, reparation is on the lips,

2802
02:37:12,480 --> 02:37:16,840
Speaker 9: I would dare say of people all over the world,

2803
02:37:17,080 --> 02:37:22,960
Speaker 9: including our enemies. Our enemy is investing billions and billions

2804
02:37:22,959 --> 02:37:28,440
Speaker 9: of dollars to stifle this. This this tsunami of movement

2805
02:37:28,560 --> 02:37:34,119
Speaker 9: towards reparation from the people. Those are those are views

2806
02:37:34,680 --> 02:37:38,360
Speaker 9: that Black people are gathering and have gathered, just like

2807
02:37:38,760 --> 02:37:41,880
Speaker 9: getting rid of the Marssel, you know, the dow and

2808
02:37:41,959 --> 02:37:46,039
Speaker 9: coming up with the Afro. We are moving. We are

2809
02:37:46,200 --> 02:37:51,520
Speaker 9: moving and we and we won't stop. So I'm saying, brother,

2810
02:37:51,680 --> 02:37:55,280
Speaker 9: you are right or would you please can you speak

2811
02:37:55,320 --> 02:37:58,119
Speaker 9: to the example of reparations and how that is an

2812
02:37:58,200 --> 02:38:01,800
Speaker 9: example living an example that we are moving in a

2813
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:03,160
Speaker 9: Sunni rate.

2814
02:38:06,560 --> 02:38:11,080
Speaker 12: All right, Well, you know, I think that's I think

2815
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:14,680
Speaker 12: that's another very clear example of progress that we're making.

2816
02:38:14,879 --> 02:38:17,480
Speaker 12: You know, there was a time in which people laughed

2817
02:38:17,480 --> 02:38:20,640
Speaker 12: at the notion of reparations. There's you know, back in

2818
02:38:20,680 --> 02:38:24,879
Speaker 12: the days I remember where you know, nobody took that seriously.

2819
02:38:24,959 --> 02:38:28,600
Speaker 12: Now and now everybody's thinking it seriously, everybody as asks

2820
02:38:28,680 --> 02:38:34,000
Speaker 12: a question, Yes, the perfect example of where our growth

2821
02:38:34,360 --> 02:38:38,680
Speaker 12: and development in terms of our collective consciousness, our collective direction,

2822
02:38:39,200 --> 02:38:42,280
Speaker 12: what have you without? I mean, you know, we we

2823
02:38:43,879 --> 02:38:47,600
Speaker 12: and I appreciate the brother raising that and pointing out

2824
02:38:47,640 --> 02:38:51,960
Speaker 12: the fact that it's a perfect example of of our

2825
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:57,840
Speaker 12: are under our collective understanding, having grown and developed in

2826
02:38:57,879 --> 02:39:03,080
Speaker 12: a way that has created more towards a consensus that

2827
02:39:03,120 --> 02:39:06,560
Speaker 12: we once didn't have, you know, uh, and now that

2828
02:39:06,600 --> 02:39:09,200
Speaker 12: we're beginning to have and there were and that has

2829
02:39:09,320 --> 02:39:13,920
Speaker 12: impact across the world because the validity of the notion

2830
02:39:14,400 --> 02:39:21,080
Speaker 12: that we were abused, used, enslaved, punished, and we were

2831
02:39:21,160 --> 02:39:24,760
Speaker 12: not given any compensation for that, we were never Uh.

2832
02:39:24,840 --> 02:39:28,039
Speaker 12: It has to be rectified, has to be addressed, has

2833
02:39:28,080 --> 02:39:32,199
Speaker 12: to be and there is a consensus that's developing about

2834
02:39:32,920 --> 02:39:37,200
Speaker 12: and what direction. Now, whether you know what is it,

2835
02:39:37,360 --> 02:39:40,280
Speaker 12: what is it, had it has achieved and where it

2836
02:39:40,320 --> 02:39:43,320
Speaker 12: is at this point is another matter. But there is

2837
02:39:43,600 --> 02:39:49,000
Speaker 12: clearly a consensus that has developed about the righteousness of

2838
02:39:49,000 --> 02:39:55,200
Speaker 12: our are are what we deserve as as repayment for

2839
02:39:55,320 --> 02:39:59,160
Speaker 12: the abuse and the misuse that we've suffered.

2840
02:39:59,600 --> 02:40:03,280
Speaker 9: So thank you, I make a point, and police, thank you,

2841
02:40:03,440 --> 02:40:06,680
Speaker 9: man make of them a last point call please, And

2842
02:40:06,680 --> 02:40:10,640
Speaker 9: and that last point is uh is this that.

2843
02:40:12,760 --> 02:40:13,160
Speaker 12: We have?

2844
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:19,040
Speaker 9: We are constantly being uh uh driven down a road

2845
02:40:19,280 --> 02:40:23,600
Speaker 9: into a burning house in many examples. For examples, now,

2846
02:40:23,800 --> 02:40:27,240
Speaker 9: we all went to school in college, and we acknowledge

2847
02:40:27,360 --> 02:40:32,160
Speaker 9: Europe Europe as a continent. When you see, if you've

2848
02:40:32,160 --> 02:40:36,600
Speaker 9: got a graduate degree from high school or elementary school,

2849
02:40:36,959 --> 02:40:41,520
Speaker 9: you know there is no such continent as Europe. It's Asia.

2850
02:40:41,560 --> 02:40:45,440
Speaker 9: And that's a part of it. And also that people

2851
02:40:45,640 --> 02:40:50,680
Speaker 9: we also claimed about we are uh are Americans, but

2852
02:40:50,920 --> 02:40:53,560
Speaker 9: we are in this country. The name of this country

2853
02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:58,520
Speaker 9: is the United States. It is in the Americas, but

2854
02:40:59,160 --> 02:41:03,959
Speaker 9: our people call themselves Americans, and they're doing to deny

2855
02:41:04,160 --> 02:41:07,640
Speaker 9: the Jamaican the right to be Americans, the Mexican the

2856
02:41:07,760 --> 02:41:11,600
Speaker 9: right to be American. And and and and and these

2857
02:41:12,200 --> 02:41:15,720
Speaker 9: points of of not I'm not saying stupid when I

2858
02:41:15,800 --> 02:41:18,520
Speaker 9: use the word ignorance, but it is a degree. It

2859
02:41:18,640 --> 02:41:22,720
Speaker 9: is ignorance in the sense that we don't know what

2860
02:41:22,879 --> 02:41:25,560
Speaker 9: it is we are saying, and we need to look

2861
02:41:25,600 --> 02:41:27,840
Speaker 9: at it. We need to every morning we wake up,

2862
02:41:28,040 --> 02:41:31,960
Speaker 9: we need to deprogram ourselves. When our children come home

2863
02:41:31,959 --> 02:41:35,640
Speaker 9: from school, we need to deprogram them. You know, what

2864
02:41:35,760 --> 02:41:36,920
Speaker 9: did you go through today?

2865
02:41:37,280 --> 02:41:37,520
Speaker 12: You know?

2866
02:41:37,800 --> 02:41:41,200
Speaker 9: And do that and help the process of getting our

2867
02:41:41,400 --> 02:41:46,400
Speaker 9: heads strayed as to who are even the Africans of

2868
02:41:46,520 --> 02:41:50,240
Speaker 9: being influenced by the Africans Africans or the continent I

2869
02:41:50,240 --> 02:41:53,680
Speaker 9: mean by Africans here in the United States.

2870
02:41:54,240 --> 02:41:57,080
Speaker 3: They look at the look at the AAU.

2871
02:41:57,240 --> 02:42:03,680
Speaker 9: And they are now acknowledging, uh, that reparation is due

2872
02:42:03,840 --> 02:42:07,800
Speaker 9: to the continent of Africa and the people of Africa

2873
02:42:07,920 --> 02:42:11,560
Speaker 9: because what was stolen from them and they acknowledge that

2874
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:16,240
Speaker 9: their brothers, their people have been stolen by the millions. See,

2875
02:42:16,520 --> 02:42:20,720
Speaker 9: that's a growing also, that's a coming together to deny

2876
02:42:20,879 --> 02:42:24,720
Speaker 9: this lie that Africans don't love us and we don't

2877
02:42:24,920 --> 02:42:28,280
Speaker 9: like them, and we ain't Africans our hang up and

2878
02:42:28,320 --> 02:42:31,160
Speaker 9: listen off air please, thank you very much and have

2879
02:42:31,280 --> 02:42:33,120
Speaker 9: a brand brand rising.

2880
02:42:37,600 --> 02:42:41,360
Speaker 12: Well, yeah, I appreciate that. Well, the brothers pointing out

2881
02:42:41,400 --> 02:42:45,200
Speaker 12: that there is real development in terms of the consciousness

2882
02:42:45,200 --> 02:42:48,320
Speaker 12: of our people. We are coming together and our understanding

2883
02:42:48,360 --> 02:42:53,120
Speaker 12: of the world that we're in is certainly being clarified

2884
02:42:53,200 --> 02:42:57,000
Speaker 12: by this understanding. It's changing, it's changing in the direction

2885
02:42:57,120 --> 02:43:02,200
Speaker 12: that we should appreciate and you know, and participate in. So,

2886
02:43:02,520 --> 02:43:05,879
Speaker 12: you know, I agree with this, said listen. I want

2887
02:43:05,920 --> 02:43:09,640
Speaker 12: to thank him for bringing that context into the picture.

2888
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:30,360
Speaker 14: Okay, hello, yeah, brother Collins.

2889
02:43:31,840 --> 02:43:34,320
Speaker 1: Okay, it seems like we lost brother Collas. Let me

2890
02:43:34,320 --> 02:43:34,840
Speaker 1: ask you this.

2891
02:43:35,280 --> 02:43:37,279
Speaker 10: Hello, Hello, you're.

2892
02:43:37,120 --> 02:43:42,480
Speaker 1: On the air. Let's move on. Let's go because eight

2893
02:43:42,560 --> 02:43:45,240
Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

2894
02:43:45,480 --> 02:43:49,280
Speaker 1: Baba la mumba. We talked about earlier about the Afro

2895
02:43:49,400 --> 02:43:52,480
Speaker 1: the bushes that we had that the say loud, I'm

2896
02:43:52,480 --> 02:43:54,880
Speaker 1: back and I'm proud of that whole era that we had.

2897
02:43:54,959 --> 02:43:57,080
Speaker 1: But then we had something to come that negated all

2898
02:43:57,080 --> 02:43:59,960
Speaker 1: of that. The Jerry Curl, for example, it took out

2899
02:44:00,560 --> 02:44:03,680
Speaker 1: the folks who were in their naturals. Are you concerned

2900
02:44:03,680 --> 02:44:06,520
Speaker 1: that if we make one take one foot, make one

2901
02:44:06,520 --> 02:44:09,520
Speaker 1: foot progressive that we take another somebody else or some

2902
02:44:09,720 --> 02:44:11,600
Speaker 1: entity is gonna come and try to take that away

2903
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:11,960
Speaker 1: from us.

2904
02:44:13,080 --> 02:44:16,160
Speaker 12: Oh, yes, certainly, But you know the jerky co didn't last.

2905
02:44:16,400 --> 02:44:18,600
Speaker 12: You know, you don't seem to make jerk girls now,

2906
02:44:19,240 --> 02:44:22,400
Speaker 12: so you know, I mean, there will always tempt There

2907
02:44:22,400 --> 02:44:27,240
Speaker 12: will always be a reaction to our progress. We will

2908
02:44:27,280 --> 02:44:31,560
Speaker 12: always be messages. But I think that our momentum is

2909
02:44:31,600 --> 02:44:35,240
Speaker 12: strong enough to overcome those messages and that we will

2910
02:44:35,879 --> 02:44:40,840
Speaker 12: The truth of what we represent will win out because

2911
02:44:40,840 --> 02:44:46,120
Speaker 12: it is obviously the truth, you know. You know, we

2912
02:44:46,320 --> 02:44:49,760
Speaker 12: will appreciate our hair as being natural. We will grow,

2913
02:44:49,879 --> 02:44:52,520
Speaker 12: We will have more sisters and more brothers who are

2914
02:44:52,520 --> 02:44:58,480
Speaker 12: wearing natural hair. We will appreciate that the you know themselves.

2915
02:44:58,800 --> 02:45:01,720
Speaker 12: We will have more black people who appreciate Africa, who

2916
02:45:01,760 --> 02:45:07,480
Speaker 12: will practice, will have you know, our our march can

2917
02:45:07,560 --> 02:45:10,879
Speaker 12: be waylaid, but it can't be stopped. It can be

2918
02:45:11,160 --> 02:45:16,840
Speaker 12: temporarily uh kidnapped, It can be altered in some way,

2919
02:45:16,879 --> 02:45:20,160
Speaker 12: but it can't be stopped. And we have to realize

2920
02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:23,640
Speaker 12: that because it, you know, the truth and the obvious

2921
02:45:23,879 --> 02:45:27,160
Speaker 12: truth of what it is that we represent cannot really

2922
02:45:27,200 --> 02:45:33,600
Speaker 12: be denied. So each generation will have to face uh,

2923
02:45:33,720 --> 02:45:37,280
Speaker 12: the regression, if you will, as our movement, but each

2924
02:45:37,360 --> 02:45:41,279
Speaker 12: generation will will We'll be able to overcome that because

2925
02:45:41,640 --> 02:45:45,000
Speaker 12: the fact of the matter is truth is on our side,

2926
02:45:45,160 --> 02:45:48,560
Speaker 12: it isn't on their side. The world that we're living in.

2927
02:45:48,680 --> 02:45:52,000
Speaker 12: Donald Trump is not the truth. Donald Trump is an aberration.

2928
02:45:52,240 --> 02:45:55,840
Speaker 12: Donald Trumps is a is a is a serious mistake

2929
02:45:55,920 --> 02:45:58,560
Speaker 12: on the world that the world will ultimately have to

2930
02:45:58,600 --> 02:46:02,200
Speaker 12: accept that as it him being a mistake. Even though

2931
02:46:02,200 --> 02:46:07,200
Speaker 12: he represents the past, he represents you know what, the

2932
02:46:07,400 --> 02:46:09,560
Speaker 12: what we used to see as the klu klux Klan

2933
02:46:09,720 --> 02:46:14,760
Speaker 12: element if you will, uh, you know, those days are

2934
02:46:14,879 --> 02:46:19,480
Speaker 12: past and his return, if you will, at a return

2935
02:46:19,560 --> 02:46:23,280
Speaker 12: of that element does not have the capacity to sustain

2936
02:46:23,360 --> 02:46:28,600
Speaker 12: itself in a world that is more realistic and more honest,

2937
02:46:28,680 --> 02:46:34,119
Speaker 12: and more forthright and more evident than than it has

2938
02:46:34,200 --> 02:46:37,960
Speaker 12: been in the past. So don't worry about the the

2939
02:46:37,959 --> 02:46:42,800
Speaker 12: the temporary regressions that we face. We have the capacity

2940
02:46:42,840 --> 02:46:47,240
Speaker 12: to overcome those temporary regressions and we will and we.

2941
02:46:47,200 --> 02:46:52,320
Speaker 1: Will face them though. That's that's to be right now.

2942
02:46:52,440 --> 02:46:54,320
Speaker 1: Twenty eight away from the top of brother Calls has

2943
02:46:54,400 --> 02:46:57,400
Speaker 1: called back is in Waldorf. He's online one grind Rising,

2944
02:46:57,440 --> 02:46:59,320
Speaker 1: Brother Carl us, I'm a Baba la Mumba.

2945
02:47:00,280 --> 02:47:04,920
Speaker 17: Yeah, Brand Rising Karl, Sorry for the glitch uh the

2946
02:47:05,040 --> 02:47:09,600
Speaker 17: brother Lambumba Baba la Mumba. I want to drilled down

2947
02:47:09,640 --> 02:47:13,080
Speaker 17: and asked you the real question when you mentioned the

2948
02:47:13,200 --> 02:47:18,119
Speaker 17: Nigerian person who said that they were from Nigerian. They

2949
02:47:18,120 --> 02:47:22,640
Speaker 17: were Nigerian and they were trying to escape that blackness.

2950
02:47:23,080 --> 02:47:28,000
Speaker 17: We see this phenomenal developing all over. The Somalians came

2951
02:47:28,120 --> 02:47:33,320
Speaker 17: here and they claim that they are Somalians and not black,

2952
02:47:34,040 --> 02:47:38,440
Speaker 17: and so they are seen to be racing towards white

2953
02:47:38,520 --> 02:47:44,720
Speaker 17: privilege to escape their blackness. Now, I think this creates

2954
02:47:44,760 --> 02:47:52,680
Speaker 17: a certain divisiveness between our communities. And so what do

2955
02:47:52,760 --> 02:47:55,360
Speaker 17: you think? Have you? I know, you run across this

2956
02:47:55,520 --> 02:47:59,760
Speaker 17: situation time and time again, and you're Washington, DC area,

2957
02:47:59,760 --> 02:48:02,760
Speaker 17: and have you because I've done the same thing, run

2958
02:48:02,800 --> 02:48:05,960
Speaker 17: across the same thing that they come here and sometimes

2959
02:48:05,959 --> 02:48:09,400
Speaker 17: they think they're superior to us and they look down

2960
02:48:09,440 --> 02:48:15,560
Speaker 17: on us native from African Americans. And how do you

2961
02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:16,880
Speaker 17: address that question?

2962
02:48:17,200 --> 02:48:21,240
Speaker 12: Well, as I think I mentioned before, my user response

2963
02:48:21,400 --> 02:48:26,840
Speaker 12: is that the divisions that you talk about, the natural

2964
02:48:26,879 --> 02:48:29,560
Speaker 12: geographical positions that you talk about the countries that you

2965
02:48:29,600 --> 02:48:33,240
Speaker 12: talk about were not created by Africans. They're created by people.

2966
02:48:33,720 --> 02:48:37,760
Speaker 12: Colonialism created those divisions. And now you're claiming that you're

2967
02:48:37,879 --> 02:48:41,120
Speaker 12: proud in your context and your understanding is based on

2968
02:48:41,200 --> 02:48:47,680
Speaker 12: those divisions. Well, you know that's evidence of a sense

2969
02:48:47,720 --> 02:48:53,320
Speaker 12: of inferiority. That that means you're willing to accept them

2970
02:48:53,720 --> 02:48:58,320
Speaker 12: their right to define you, and they don't have that right.

2971
02:48:58,560 --> 02:49:02,440
Speaker 12: And if you accept that right for them to define you,

2972
02:49:02,480 --> 02:49:04,480
Speaker 12: if you call yourself all you know, if you call

2973
02:49:04,560 --> 02:49:06,920
Speaker 12: yoursel an idea is you call If you use that

2974
02:49:07,000 --> 02:49:10,560
Speaker 12: as your frame of reference you use, you're accepting them

2975
02:49:10,600 --> 02:49:13,840
Speaker 12: as your master. You're right, You're you're the They're the

2976
02:49:13,840 --> 02:49:17,480
Speaker 12: ones that define who you are. They cannot be the

2977
02:49:17,480 --> 02:49:21,480
Speaker 12: ones who define you who you are unless you subjugate

2978
02:49:21,879 --> 02:49:27,480
Speaker 12: yourselves and your identity to theirs. And you know accept that.

2979
02:49:27,600 --> 02:49:30,200
Speaker 12: When I say that to continental Africans, they have nothing

2980
02:49:30,240 --> 02:49:34,760
Speaker 12: to say in response. They simply, you know, repeat themselves.

2981
02:49:35,200 --> 02:49:40,280
Speaker 12: The reality is you're you. The frame of reference that

2982
02:49:40,440 --> 02:49:44,279
Speaker 12: you are are asserting is one that you didn't create.

2983
02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:48,760
Speaker 12: Somebody else created for you. So you know, face that

2984
02:49:49,040 --> 02:49:51,560
Speaker 12: and deal with what does that mean? It means you're

2985
02:49:51,560 --> 02:49:54,560
Speaker 12: in the same position that we're in here. You have

2986
02:49:54,600 --> 02:49:56,520
Speaker 12: to have a frame of report that what That's why

2987
02:49:57,040 --> 02:50:01,400
Speaker 12: Pan Africanism, that's why came from from the ex slaves.

2988
02:50:01,920 --> 02:50:05,840
Speaker 12: That's why Garvey was who who he is. That's why

2989
02:50:05,920 --> 02:50:10,359
Speaker 12: in Koumi learned and Africanism. Other Africans learned it from us.

2990
02:50:10,840 --> 02:50:14,640
Speaker 12: That's why we're the one who the ex slaves is

2991
02:50:14,680 --> 02:50:18,720
Speaker 12: the ones who really set forth the direction that Quansa

2992
02:50:18,840 --> 02:50:21,440
Speaker 12: needs to be not just an African American thing, it

2993
02:50:21,520 --> 02:50:23,320
Speaker 12: needs to be an African thing. It needs to be

2994
02:50:23,400 --> 02:50:27,720
Speaker 12: a context in which Africans try to connect themselves to

2995
02:50:27,800 --> 02:50:30,880
Speaker 12: each other. What is the cultural context in which you

2996
02:50:30,920 --> 02:50:34,800
Speaker 12: can connect yourself with other black people is a key question,

2997
02:50:35,360 --> 02:50:37,680
Speaker 12: and Kwansa has been one of the things that has

2998
02:50:37,720 --> 02:50:41,000
Speaker 12: allowed that to happen. So, you know, instead of just

2999
02:50:41,480 --> 02:50:47,240
Speaker 12: so you know, we have to in that context that unity,

3000
02:50:47,560 --> 02:50:51,680
Speaker 12: that connection probably comes and the importance of that connection

3001
02:50:52,440 --> 02:50:56,720
Speaker 12: comes from the X slave, comes from the people who

3002
02:50:56,720 --> 02:51:00,000
Speaker 12: have been subjugated, who come from here, come from this hemisphere.

3003
02:51:00,640 --> 02:51:05,920
Speaker 12: We're the ones who propel fan Africanism. We're the ones

3004
02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:10,560
Speaker 12: that that that set forth the framework for black unity,

3005
02:51:11,240 --> 02:51:13,959
Speaker 12: and black unity is the basis for black strength and

3006
02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:18,240
Speaker 12: black development and black security and black independence and black

3007
02:51:18,480 --> 02:51:21,080
Speaker 12: all of the things that we absolutely need is a people.

3008
02:51:22,560 --> 02:51:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's all right there, We've got to short

3009
02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:27,040
Speaker 1: brother college. Hold on, I'll let you, I'll let you

3010
02:51:27,360 --> 02:51:29,160
Speaker 1: oppose your follow up question, and let me just say

3011
02:51:29,160 --> 02:51:32,560
Speaker 1: this before we go to break. We haven't met all Samalis,

3012
02:51:32,600 --> 02:51:34,680
Speaker 1: so we don't say that all Samalis think that way.

3013
02:51:34,680 --> 02:51:36,920
Speaker 1: It's like when people see something happened on a black

3014
02:51:36,920 --> 02:51:38,640
Speaker 1: person on TV, they think all of us are that

3015
02:51:38,680 --> 02:51:41,840
Speaker 1: way because they don't know any black people. The white people,

3016
02:51:41,920 --> 02:51:44,360
Speaker 1: most white people don't know any black people. They don't

3017
02:51:44,360 --> 02:51:46,480
Speaker 1: have any black friends, so all they know is what

3018
02:51:46,520 --> 02:51:49,280
Speaker 1: they see on TV about us. And one in one

3019
02:51:49,560 --> 02:51:52,640
Speaker 1: meeting with one Somalia or even a group of Samalis

3020
02:51:52,760 --> 02:51:55,840
Speaker 1: doesn't represent all of Samalis. I'm just saying that. Twenty

3021
02:51:55,840 --> 02:51:57,920
Speaker 1: three minutes away from the top of our family, it's

3022
02:51:58,080 --> 02:52:00,840
Speaker 1: our guest is Baba Lama from Emosa in Washington, d C.

3023
02:52:00,959 --> 02:52:02,879
Speaker 1: You want to join this conversation, reach out to us

3024
02:52:02,879 --> 02:52:05,480
Speaker 1: at eight hundred and four to five zero seventy eight

3025
02:52:05,600 --> 02:52:07,800
Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next and

3026
02:52:07,879 --> 02:52:11,200
Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this Wednesday, No,

3027
02:52:11,240 --> 02:52:13,360
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. That's where we are Tuesday. I'm ahead of

3028
02:52:13,360 --> 02:52:15,440
Speaker 1: the game, seventeen minutes away from the top of the

3029
02:52:15,480 --> 02:52:17,760
Speaker 1: ho with guess the Babela Mumma from the Moja House

3030
02:52:17,760 --> 02:52:21,080
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Babbla Bumba, the Council of Elders

3031
02:52:21,120 --> 02:52:23,119
Speaker 1: at the Moja House, and they have these great discussions.

3032
02:52:23,160 --> 02:52:24,720
Speaker 1: Then we come back and do them on the radio,

3033
02:52:24,800 --> 02:52:27,400
Speaker 1: and folks at the barber shops around the country who

3034
02:52:27,400 --> 02:52:30,160
Speaker 1: listened to the program, they continue the discussions there. Before

3035
02:52:30,200 --> 02:52:32,160
Speaker 1: we left, were speaking of Brother Carlis the calling us

3036
02:52:32,160 --> 02:52:34,240
Speaker 1: from from Waldorf from Maryland. Brother Collis, you had a

3037
02:52:34,240 --> 02:52:36,320
Speaker 1: follow up question for bab La Mumba.

3038
02:52:36,800 --> 02:52:37,000
Speaker 10: Yeah.

3039
02:52:37,000 --> 02:52:41,800
Speaker 17: I'll make this real quick. It appears that those groups

3040
02:52:41,800 --> 02:52:45,760
Speaker 17: like Samalios have pitched their tents with the with the Devil,

3041
02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:49,080
Speaker 17: and the devil is burning it down. I e. Donald Trump,

3042
02:52:49,160 --> 02:52:53,240
Speaker 17: but I'm gonna pose this this this statement that one

3043
02:52:53,240 --> 02:52:59,520
Speaker 17: of the emms in the Somalian community made. He said

3044
02:52:59,600 --> 02:53:05,440
Speaker 17: that why should we connect with these Africans or these

3045
02:53:05,480 --> 02:53:09,840
Speaker 17: African Americans. They most of them are a product of

3046
02:53:09,879 --> 02:53:13,560
Speaker 17: one night stands. They don't even know Dead Daddy's and

3047
02:53:13,680 --> 02:53:17,199
Speaker 17: we don't want to connect with people with that type

3048
02:53:17,240 --> 02:53:22,560
Speaker 17: of culture. That's the kind of statement that is hateful

3049
02:53:22,600 --> 02:53:25,480
Speaker 17: to me. And I don't understand where it's coming from,

3050
02:53:25,640 --> 02:53:29,880
Speaker 17: my dear brother, unless it's been poisoned given to them

3051
02:53:29,959 --> 02:53:34,720
Speaker 17: by the European Americans, I mean European community. Thank you,

3052
02:53:34,760 --> 02:53:37,320
Speaker 17: Mindy for taking my call a.

3053
02:53:38,760 --> 02:53:39,400
Speaker 1: Bubba la mamba.

3054
02:53:39,400 --> 02:53:42,400
Speaker 14: You want to respond, well, I think that's true.

3055
02:53:42,600 --> 02:53:45,040
Speaker 12: I mean, I think that the negative feelings we have

3056
02:53:45,160 --> 02:53:50,560
Speaker 12: about each other come from you know, white society who

3057
02:53:50,640 --> 02:53:54,400
Speaker 12: is a vestid interest in keeping us apart. Their basic

3058
02:53:54,480 --> 02:53:57,840
Speaker 12: tactic is to divide us, and that means you know,

3059
02:53:59,120 --> 02:54:02,400
Speaker 12: leading in so the stuff to each other and uh,

3060
02:54:02,520 --> 02:54:06,320
Speaker 12: to their to their other black people. That's why when

3061
02:54:06,320 --> 02:54:09,680
Speaker 12: they divided after into good, they divided them across life.

3062
02:54:09,680 --> 02:54:12,120
Speaker 12: They didn't go through and say, okay you have you

3063
02:54:12,240 --> 02:54:14,880
Speaker 12: are a people here, so you have a country. They

3064
02:54:15,920 --> 02:54:19,280
Speaker 12: separated you so that they could divide and conquer you.

3065
02:54:19,680 --> 02:54:22,760
Speaker 12: Their basic tactic is to divide because they don't worry

3066
02:54:22,800 --> 02:54:26,360
Speaker 12: about uh, you know that's going to go on and

3067
02:54:26,400 --> 02:54:29,280
Speaker 12: on and on. They're they're not going to cease their

3068
02:54:29,320 --> 02:54:33,560
Speaker 12: basic tactic to divide and conquer, to control you. By divisions.

3069
02:54:34,160 --> 02:54:36,400
Speaker 12: So you know, they're going to tell people all kinds

3070
02:54:36,440 --> 02:54:38,680
Speaker 12: of negative things about you, and they're they're going to

3071
02:54:39,200 --> 02:54:42,160
Speaker 12: but you know, I think that what when we when

3072
02:54:42,200 --> 02:54:44,760
Speaker 12: we talk to each other, when we come to each

3073
02:54:44,800 --> 02:54:47,480
Speaker 12: other and relate and we can relate, we can correct

3074
02:54:47,480 --> 02:54:50,240
Speaker 12: some of that stuff. And when they come here, they

3075
02:54:50,280 --> 02:54:53,039
Speaker 12: begin to realize who we actually are and what we

3076
02:54:53,240 --> 02:54:56,240
Speaker 12: what we have to face, and what our problems are,

3077
02:54:56,680 --> 02:55:02,560
Speaker 12: and we can create connections between ourselves with each other here. Well,

3078
02:55:02,600 --> 02:55:06,840
Speaker 12: we're plevy examples of continental applets who work with black

3079
02:55:06,879 --> 02:55:11,600
Speaker 12: people here, who participate in our struggle here to help

3080
02:55:11,640 --> 02:55:15,080
Speaker 12: us develop communities, who bring their culture to us, to

3081
02:55:15,080 --> 02:55:18,440
Speaker 12: to help us understand their culture, and we try to

3082
02:55:18,480 --> 02:55:21,520
Speaker 12: help them understand what's happened to us in our frame

3083
02:55:21,560 --> 02:55:24,959
Speaker 12: of reference. We can work together to overcome those things.

3084
02:55:24,959 --> 02:55:28,840
Speaker 12: But don't worry about the fact that our opposition will

3085
02:55:28,840 --> 02:55:32,080
Speaker 12: continue to try to divide us. That's going to go

3086
02:55:32,160 --> 02:55:35,039
Speaker 12: on and all that. We can't stop that until we're

3087
02:55:35,120 --> 02:55:39,000
Speaker 12: ultimately victorious. But we can be victorious by working with

3088
02:55:39,160 --> 02:55:42,480
Speaker 12: each other. We can build together. We can you know,

3089
02:55:42,600 --> 02:55:46,640
Speaker 12: one on one, group by group, people by people, we

3090
02:55:46,760 --> 02:55:52,600
Speaker 12: can developed an alternatives and we can be victorious. The

3091
02:55:52,720 --> 02:55:55,840
Speaker 12: history is on our side, it ain't on their side.

3092
02:55:56,400 --> 02:55:58,039
Speaker 12: I will ultimately win.

3093
02:55:58,840 --> 02:56:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, cause is smarter than that. He shouldn't get upset

3094
02:56:01,959 --> 02:56:03,720
Speaker 1: if you hear that. He know that's you know, that's

3095
02:56:03,720 --> 02:56:06,240
Speaker 1: what they've been taught. How do they know all that stuff?

3096
02:56:06,280 --> 02:56:08,640
Speaker 1: Somebody else taught them and that's that's the problem. So

3097
02:56:08,720 --> 02:56:10,640
Speaker 1: don't get upset with them. Get up some of the

3098
02:56:10,640 --> 02:56:12,640
Speaker 1: people who are trying to divide us the way Baba

3099
02:56:12,680 --> 02:56:15,000
Speaker 1: La Bumba said, because that's exactly what they want you

3100
02:56:15,040 --> 02:56:16,840
Speaker 1: to do. They want you to divide you. And so

3101
02:56:16,879 --> 02:56:18,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now you were to opposed to

3102
02:56:18,520 --> 02:56:21,039
Speaker 1: every Somali that you see because you hear the Somali

3103
02:56:21,080 --> 02:56:25,160
Speaker 1: bomb say something inappropriate. So but don't let them. Don't

3104
02:56:25,240 --> 02:56:27,240
Speaker 1: let them get to you. Brother. They're just smarter than that,

3105
02:56:29,680 --> 02:56:31,959
Speaker 1: Brother Collins, because I've heard you before, so you can

3106
02:56:32,000 --> 02:56:34,440
Speaker 1: analyze this situation. So don't think I'd get to get

3107
02:56:34,440 --> 02:56:36,959
Speaker 1: been out of shape about stuff like that. That's exactly

3108
02:56:37,000 --> 02:56:39,480
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. And this moves on to

3109
02:56:39,520 --> 02:56:41,760
Speaker 1: this next phase. I want to ask you about Baba Luma.

3110
02:56:41,879 --> 02:56:44,240
Speaker 1: They use the internet a lot. How are we going

3111
02:56:44,320 --> 02:56:46,240
Speaker 1: to combat this because a lot of stuff that you

3112
02:56:46,280 --> 02:56:48,360
Speaker 1: see on the Internet isn't true. It's a lot of

3113
02:56:48,640 --> 02:56:51,440
Speaker 1: to get you all upset, propagate this to keep us

3114
02:56:51,520 --> 02:56:54,039
Speaker 1: again divided. How do we how do we do it?

3115
02:56:54,040 --> 02:56:57,040
Speaker 1: Because our generation growing up sixty seventies, we never had

3116
02:56:57,040 --> 02:57:00,600
Speaker 1: the internet. The people you know, what you heard was

3117
02:57:00,760 --> 02:57:02,680
Speaker 1: what you heard unless somebody was telling a lie. And

3118
02:57:03,000 --> 02:57:05,200
Speaker 1: it lies to the last reference. But now you've got

3119
02:57:05,200 --> 02:57:07,960
Speaker 1: the Internet, you believe the other thing.

3120
02:57:08,040 --> 02:57:11,520
Speaker 12: A part of that is is AI, artificial intelligence, where

3121
02:57:11,520 --> 02:57:17,080
Speaker 12: they can actually make videos and makes that you can't detect.

3122
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:20,480
Speaker 12: They can make pictures that that of things that didn't

3123
02:57:20,480 --> 02:57:23,400
Speaker 12: even exist, but they they show it to you as

3124
02:57:23,400 --> 02:57:26,400
Speaker 12: though it existed because they've created it. AI is a

3125
02:57:26,480 --> 02:57:30,280
Speaker 12: tremendous and you know, technology has produced an environment and

3126
02:57:30,320 --> 02:57:32,879
Speaker 12: which is very difficult to know what's true and what

3127
02:57:32,959 --> 02:57:33,480
Speaker 12: ain't true.

3128
02:57:35,000 --> 02:57:38,000
Speaker 1: So you know the point excellent point bubble. Then it

3129
02:57:38,040 --> 02:57:41,000
Speaker 1: goes back to what the brother callis said he's heard

3130
02:57:41,080 --> 02:57:43,480
Speaker 1: unless you physically saw or heard the mom say it

3131
02:57:43,560 --> 02:57:46,440
Speaker 1: himself to him. How dose take the grain of salt,

3132
02:57:46,480 --> 02:57:49,039
Speaker 1: because that that could have been concocted on the internet.

3133
02:57:48,720 --> 02:57:53,840
Speaker 12: But ahead exactly, it doesn't make nowadays, we don't know

3134
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:57,960
Speaker 12: what we hear is well, even what we see is

3135
02:57:58,000 --> 02:58:01,119
Speaker 12: true or not. We just don't not compounds are problem.

3136
02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:05,720
Speaker 12: Of course, we we're in an era in which it's

3137
02:58:05,800 --> 02:58:08,200
Speaker 12: difficult to know what the truth actually is.

3138
02:58:10,000 --> 02:58:14,520
Speaker 1: But you know, uh, let me jump in real quick

3139
02:58:14,520 --> 02:58:16,800
Speaker 1: and I'll let you respond this other we seem so

3140
02:58:16,959 --> 02:58:19,800
Speaker 1: gullible when it comes to anything negative to believe about

3141
02:58:19,879 --> 02:58:22,800
Speaker 1: us and our people than the other folks. What's wrong?

3142
02:58:22,840 --> 02:58:23,760
Speaker 1: What's what's wrong with that?

3143
02:58:23,800 --> 02:58:28,279
Speaker 14: We seem to have a beau you know, we we

3144
02:58:28,480 --> 02:58:31,280
Speaker 14: have these negative feelings ourselves and we feed into it.

3145
02:58:31,400 --> 02:58:33,920
Speaker 12: We've been we we came up. That's why we said, well,

3146
02:58:33,959 --> 02:58:37,240
Speaker 12: that's why we have this ambibulous that's why our negative

3147
02:58:37,240 --> 02:58:40,240
Speaker 12: feelings generally out weigh our positive feelings. The other thing

3148
02:58:40,320 --> 02:58:43,520
Speaker 12: is that most of black people's positive feelings come from

3149
02:58:43,520 --> 02:58:51,680
Speaker 12: two sources entertainment and sports. You know, we we you know,

3150
02:58:52,480 --> 02:58:55,120
Speaker 12: we see ourselves as entertainers and sports. We don't see

3151
02:58:55,120 --> 02:58:58,800
Speaker 12: ourselves in any other context. Most of black people's positive

3152
02:58:58,800 --> 02:59:03,080
Speaker 12: feelings come from those two sources and reality. Uh, we

3153
02:59:03,120 --> 02:59:06,520
Speaker 12: don't see ourselves as being those people who are capable

3154
02:59:06,560 --> 02:59:09,520
Speaker 12: of being in charge, those people who are or who

3155
02:59:09,560 --> 02:59:13,439
Speaker 12: are well organized so people. So you know, our limited

3156
02:59:13,760 --> 02:59:18,040
Speaker 12: source of our positive ceilings have to be expanded. We

3157
02:59:18,200 --> 02:59:20,879
Speaker 12: have to include on understanding of what it means to

3158
02:59:20,920 --> 02:59:23,640
Speaker 12: be an African, what it means to be communal, what

3159
02:59:23,720 --> 02:59:27,480
Speaker 12: it means to be We have to export Quansa to

3160
02:59:27,720 --> 02:59:34,360
Speaker 12: Africa because it provides a connection between Africans amongst themselves.

3161
02:59:34,879 --> 02:59:41,160
Speaker 12: We can't settle with our divisions and make something. We

3162
02:59:41,280 --> 02:59:45,440
Speaker 12: have to create connections between those divisions. Kwans is an

3163
02:59:45,480 --> 02:59:50,480
Speaker 12: attempt to create connections between those divisions. We can't. One

3164
02:59:50,480 --> 02:59:52,720
Speaker 12: of the reasons that we got ourselves in this situation

3165
02:59:53,560 --> 02:59:56,000
Speaker 12: is that we were so divided. We had so many

3166
02:59:56,040 --> 02:59:59,600
Speaker 12: different cultures and different languages in different ways, and that

3167
02:59:59,680 --> 03:00:04,120
Speaker 12: we have very little connection between them. But our job,

3168
03:00:04,520 --> 03:00:08,080
Speaker 12: as as you know the former slave, is to help

3169
03:00:08,120 --> 03:00:13,000
Speaker 12: create those connections. That's what makes quantas so important and

3170
03:00:13,040 --> 03:00:15,600
Speaker 12: that's why it has to be built on. We have

3171
03:00:15,680 --> 03:00:18,400
Speaker 12: to have connections between each other in order to build

3172
03:00:18,440 --> 03:00:22,840
Speaker 12: a commonality of purpose and the unity that we need

3173
03:00:22,920 --> 03:00:27,440
Speaker 12: as a people. And that's and that's part of our job.

3174
03:00:27,720 --> 03:00:32,119
Speaker 12: Our job is to is to enhance, that is to develop,

3175
03:00:32,200 --> 03:00:35,640
Speaker 12: that is to strengthen that so we have to.

3176
03:00:35,680 --> 03:00:41,119
Speaker 1: Ex Yeah, I agree, but first we got to change

3177
03:00:41,120 --> 03:00:43,600
Speaker 1: our thought process because the first thing you hear something

3178
03:00:43,640 --> 03:00:46,800
Speaker 1: negative about a black person, you cleave to it. Okay,

3179
03:00:46,959 --> 03:00:49,240
Speaker 1: let me investigate, let me check it out. Well, maybe

3180
03:00:49,360 --> 03:00:52,039
Speaker 1: this is made up, but we don't give that. We

3181
03:00:52,080 --> 03:00:55,360
Speaker 1: don't give our people, uh you know, a first choice.

3182
03:00:55,360 --> 03:00:57,760
Speaker 1: We always go with it. Whatever the negative is about

3183
03:00:57,760 --> 03:00:59,520
Speaker 1: our people, we go with it. We don't we don't

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Speaker 1: think well. Person that.

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Speaker 12: Sustains are are our need to be okay with with

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Speaker 12: white society to get a job, to do well, you know.

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Speaker 12: In other words, taking on the negative aspects of black

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Speaker 12: people allow us to to to to live in this

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Speaker 12: society more comfortably. In other words, we we absorb the

3190
03:01:23,840 --> 03:01:26,840
Speaker 12: negative feelings about black people as a way of being

3191
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Speaker 12: comfortable in this society because of who this society represents.

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Speaker 12: And that's what that's the source of our ambivalence. The

3193
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Speaker 12: source of our ambivalence is our need to be comfortable

3194
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Speaker 12: with those people who are in power, which lends usself,

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Speaker 12: lends itself to us uh, not respecting and not loving

3196
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Speaker 12: and not creating, not it lends itself to and emphasizing

3197
03:01:52,600 --> 03:01:55,320
Speaker 12: the negative feelings that we have about our own people.

3198
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Speaker 12: So that's exactly the source of our problem, the source

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Speaker 12: of our ambivalence U is the need and the living

3200
03:02:02,680 --> 03:02:06,080
Speaker 12: in this society. And we have to face that, we

3201
03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:10,000
Speaker 12: have to get over that, we have to compensate for that. So, yes,

3202
03:02:10,240 --> 03:02:13,840
Speaker 12: the problems are connected. That's why I took that that,

3203
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Speaker 12: That's why I'm talking about ambivualous. The ambivalence comes from

3204
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Speaker 12: simply living in this society, and we have.

3205
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Speaker 4: To fight it.

3206
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Speaker 12: We have to recognize it. We have to fight it.

3207
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Speaker 1: So give us some tools before we let you go.

3208
03:02:27,080 --> 03:02:29,320
Speaker 1: How can we fight The.

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Speaker 12: Most pressing tool right now is quanta Participate in Kwanza,

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Speaker 12: understand it, use it, perpetuate it, and make sure that

3211
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Speaker 12: people other than people here, make sure that that Kwanta

3212
03:02:43,320 --> 03:02:48,720
Speaker 12: is is is affects Africa, that other black people other

3213
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Speaker 12: than Black Americans participate in it. Because it's an attempt

3214
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Speaker 12: at unifying what it means to be an African person.

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Speaker 12: That is critical to our development. We have to unify

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Speaker 12: by what it means to be an African person. We

3217
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Speaker 12: can't simply rely on the various the distances, the differences

3218
03:03:07,600 --> 03:03:11,840
Speaker 12: between the various cultures, the languagees et cetera. Swahili has

3219
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Speaker 12: uh for example, it suggested that we use Swahili. Is

3220
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Speaker 12: it suggested that we the use of seven principles. It's

3221
03:03:20,480 --> 03:03:25,200
Speaker 12: it's suggested that we that we connect ourselves. So the

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Speaker 12: process of connecting ourselves is what we bring to the

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Speaker 12: rest of the black world. We bring to that Black

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Speaker 12: people all over the world use Kwansa as the beginning

3225
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Speaker 12: in that process. Now, you know, there are other things

3226
03:03:39,600 --> 03:03:42,640
Speaker 12: that have to be done, but let's start there. Let's

3227
03:03:42,720 --> 03:03:48,000
Speaker 12: just maximize the impact of Kwansa amongst Black people internationally.

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03:03:49,040 --> 03:03:52,960
Speaker 12: That's a good starting point. It's a good starting point

3229
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Speaker 12: of correcting and addressing the problem of black unity, because

3230
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Speaker 12: without black unity we can and advance our people. We can't.

3231
03:04:02,480 --> 03:04:06,800
Speaker 12: We connect ourselves with each other, and Kwanza is the

3232
03:04:06,840 --> 03:04:11,160
Speaker 12: first step in culturally to connect ourselves with each other,

3233
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Speaker 12: and it also relates to our past and where we

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Speaker 12: came from in the first place.

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Speaker 1: I hope folks got what you are trying to teach

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Speaker 1: this this morning. Babba la bomba unity that should be

3237
03:04:22,440 --> 03:04:25,680
Speaker 1: the core, the center of our being. Black unity. Everything

3238
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Speaker 1: else is under attack. We're all under attack, but Black

3239
03:04:29,120 --> 03:04:32,080
Speaker 1: unity is what they fare the most. So don't buy

3240
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Speaker 1: into this and some of these negative, negative stereotypes of

3241
03:04:34,959 --> 03:04:37,680
Speaker 1: people who don't want to be united with black folks

3242
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Speaker 1: fascin if they understand, Baba, black unity is, that's what

3243
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Speaker 1: they they're scared of.

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Speaker 12: Most make use of kwanza as a tool for black unity.

3245
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Speaker 12: Make use of it. Use it. It's there to use,

3246
03:04:52,320 --> 03:04:53,119
Speaker 12: so use it.

3247
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Speaker 1: Gotcha. Thank you, Baba la Bumba. Thanks for sharing your

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Speaker 1: thoughts this morning. I found you understood what Babba la

3249
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Speaker 1: Bumba trying to teach this morning. This is blank. You know.

3250
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Speaker 1: The other folks know it. That's why they try so

3251
03:05:05,440 --> 03:05:08,880
Speaker 1: hard to keep us, you know, at each other's throats

3252
03:05:09,480 --> 03:05:12,120
Speaker 1: at different levels. They try so Once you figure that out,

3253
03:05:12,200 --> 03:05:14,520
Speaker 1: once you start from there as a center corps to

3254
03:05:14,600 --> 03:05:17,520
Speaker 1: stay united with your brother and sister wherever he is

3255
03:05:17,560 --> 03:05:21,080
Speaker 1: on this planet, we can win this war. We can overcome.

3256
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Speaker 1: But anyway, let me get off my soapbox and close

3257
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Speaker 1: the classroom door for the day. Thank you, family, thank

3258
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Speaker 1: you for joining us, and again class is dismissed. Stay strong,

3259
03:05:29,160 --> 03:05:32,360
Speaker 1: stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 1: six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB

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Speaker 1: and also in the DMV on fourteen fifty WL. Where

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Speaker 1: information is power