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Speaker 1: It's as nutty as Tucker Carlson saying I'm gonna buy

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court oral arguments, right, A bunch of things

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Speaker 5: Is there any First Amendment interests in coordinated expenditures?

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Speaker 7: I think that there is an interest, a First Amendment

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Speaker 7: Engaged in First Amendment activity, engage in First Amendment speech,

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Speaker 7: That would pose a very different case and there would

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Speaker 1: You realize how technical we're getting here, but it's hugely

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Speaker 4: it's not going to happen. I think Tim's right.

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Speaker 9: The idea of us getting this past the House, the

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Speaker 9: Senate and to the President. Now, I will agree with

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Speaker 9: Tim that it's not going to happen, but I'll agree

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Speaker 9: for a broader reason which he said, which.

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Speaker 2: Is we just don't pass anything.

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Speaker 9: So this is just another thing that gets cogged in

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Speaker 9: the wheel, right that we are no longer the greatest

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Speaker 9: legislative body in America. I mean, we're a wonderful communications body, right.

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Speaker 10: We don't even know about that at the moment.

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Speaker 9: But Tim does, I think, pretty well on communications. I

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Speaker 9: mean he's not holding back how he feels.

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Speaker 1: Well, and yeah, that's true. I don't.

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Speaker 6: But the bill will go to if it pass, ma'am,

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Speaker 6: it'll be some glowing piece of legislation, go to the Senate.

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Speaker 4: And guess what.

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Speaker 6: They'll amend it to something ill, something a little bigger,

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Speaker 6: a little better, that we cannot agree on, and then

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Speaker 6: it will die and both sides of the House will say,

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Speaker 6: those old one hundred year old guys over in the

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Speaker 6: Senate aren't doing anything. Then they'll say those young punks

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Speaker 6: in the house, I think because it's a game. It's

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Speaker 6: a game, and we got to wake up.

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Speaker 1: Well listen, like, how do you not agree with that?

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Speaker 1: I don't think there is such a thing as the

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Speaker 1: UNI Party. I'm one of the people is like, that

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Speaker 1: is just ridiculous. There is a.

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Speaker 2: Fundamental difference in the parties.

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Speaker 1: If I only discuss the idea of whether or not

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Speaker 1: you think a boy could be a girl and therefore

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Speaker 1: go through some level of surgical or chemical mutilation, there's

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Speaker 1: a difference between the parties. But how true is this?

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Speaker 1: They can insider trade on information. They get that if

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Speaker 1: you and I got we would go to jail. And

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Speaker 1: here's this legislation that birch It got. He's got that

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Speaker 1: going with Formila Jayapaul of the Progressive Caucus, and they

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Speaker 1: know they can't get it through. So the money thing

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Speaker 1: is one of the things I think we can agree

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Speaker 1: on Why don't.

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Speaker 2: We see more pressure on that.

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Speaker 1: What if the argument is, well, it's going to keep

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Speaker 1: us from making our millions of dollars while we're in Congress. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well we want We're not interested in you are millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars. We're interested in our dollars. That's the whole point.

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Speaker 1: And maybe your lifelong career shouldn't be in Congress.

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Speaker 2: It's Evan say it.

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Speaker 1: The humor is who says Congress is the only place

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Speaker 1: you get elected to when you're twenty five and you

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Speaker 1: leave when you die. That's the problem. That's the issue.

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Speaker 1: So I would think that we could agree on this.

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Speaker 1: And that's what makes this case in front of the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court and everyone like it. If not just the

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Speaker 1: specifics of this case, all these is talking about campaign

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Speaker 1: finance laws. This stuff matters. This isn't in the ether.

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Speaker 1: It affects us who runs, how we live, and how

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Speaker 1: they're trying to engage some profit on our time and

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Speaker 1: on our dime. I want us to be able to

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Speaker 1: profit on our time and on our dime.

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Speaker 2: On Tony Kats. And this is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 1: The Barry Weiss effect over at CBS, catch this Tony

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Speaker 1: Docapole will now be the anchor of CBS Evening News.

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Speaker 1: Totise Coats, hurt Worst, Tony Katz, Tony Kats Today, Good

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Speaker 1: to be with you. Glad you guys are here. Tony

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Speaker 1: Docapole is an interesting cat. He does the morning show

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Speaker 1: there on CBS. He with Gail King and Nate Pearlson,

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Speaker 1: and you probably know him from being sat down and

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Speaker 1: take him off the show for a little bit because

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Speaker 1: he was interviewing pseudo intellectual in my view, Todanysey Coats.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm pronouncing his name right. I've heard her

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Speaker 1: pronounce a couple different ways. And he's a guy who

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Speaker 1: decided he was going to write a book about Israel

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Speaker 1: and the Palestinians. I went to Israel for a week

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Speaker 1: and I've determined that they are guilty. And Docapole, who

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Speaker 1: is Jewish, pushed back against him, was asking him tough questions. Well,

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Speaker 1: CBS went nuts, you were so rude to our guests.

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Speaker 2: And how dare you? And they took him off I

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Speaker 2: could think, took him off the air for a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy.

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Speaker 1: Enter Barry Weiss now taking over all of CBS News

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Speaker 1: and now Docaple. He is going to be the anchor there. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's so First of all, how Christopher Walkin was that. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: things change and someone's gonna say, well, is Barry Weise Jewish?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: By the way it Barry weis Jewish? I think so,

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Speaker 2: I think she is.

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Speaker 1: And then they're gonna say, you see, you see, that's

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Speaker 1: that's exactly the connection. And see how they're they're they're

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Speaker 1: connected and she's just doing this because listen, if if

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Speaker 1: that's going to move people, honestly, tune into the next

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Speaker 1: episode of Candace and hear all about it. Ah. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I did the checking myself producier Land, and thank you.

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Speaker 1: I didn't need to check anything else. I just immediately

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Speaker 1: went to my Uh. I have an app on my

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Speaker 1: phone called you Finder, which is weird because Nick Flint

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Speaker 1: says the same app, but we use it for different purposes.

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Speaker 1: And I looked and boomed, there she was. There, she was.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think it's interesting. I didn't I for

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Speaker 2: a second.

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Speaker 10: There.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't one hundred percent sure because I've never seen

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Speaker 1: her at the meetings that we have where we decide

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Speaker 1: who's going to control the banks this week? Do me

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Speaker 1: a favor and uh and send all of your hate

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Speaker 1: mails to Buck at yahoo dot com of Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll take a good look at that right there.

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Speaker 1: This is a move that signals to CBS that it

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Speaker 1: isn't business as usual. I'm not saying that Docable is

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Speaker 1: some kind of conservative. I have no idea, and the

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Speaker 1: less I know about his politics the better if I'm

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Speaker 1: getting actual news. Also, is being the evening news guy?

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Speaker 1: Still the deal it used to be news is twenty

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Speaker 1: four to seven and it's on your phone? Does does

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Speaker 1: being on the news there? Does? Does it matter being

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Speaker 1: that guy? I gotta assume for the least the contract, Yes,

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Speaker 1: But the message it sends to its a CBS huge, huge,

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Speaker 1: Keep it here. I'm Tony Kat's. This is Tony kat Today,

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Speaker 1: Live from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. So I don't know what's bigger news

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Speaker 1: that Kaitanji Brown Jackson, the Supreme Court justice continues to

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Speaker 1: embarrass herself, or that the Indianapolis could signed Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 2: That officially happened.

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Speaker 1: Producer Carl I'm sorry, mischer Landon, Yeah, they did it.

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Speaker 1: It's the craziest. Philip Rivers is forty four years old.

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Speaker 1: That's like a hundred ninety six and quarterback years. Tony Katz,

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, good to be with you just for

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Speaker 1: the sake of clarity, just so you know what's going

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Speaker 1: on here in the in the in the NFL. The

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Speaker 1: quarterback that the Colts have is the name of Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones got injured. Now, Daniel Jones had an issue with

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Speaker 1: his his his fibula. It was a hairline fracture and

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Speaker 1: it's still playing. But I think that issue was bigger

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Speaker 1: than we were told. And then in the game this

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Speaker 1: past weekend against the Jacksonville Jaguars, he goes down, he

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Speaker 1: tears his achilles in his other leg. Now, if you

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Speaker 1: know anything about Indianapolis sports at all, you had a

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Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark of the Fever go down with the leg injury,

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Speaker 1: not return. It was actually a growin injury. Then you

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Speaker 1: had Tyrus Halliburton in the finals against the Oklahoma City

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Speaker 1: thunder go down with an achilles Sauce Gardner, who the

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Speaker 1: Colts traded two first round picks for. He plays on defense.

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Speaker 1: Third game, boom Achilles. It was the achilles right, No

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Speaker 1: Achilles stare just I think injury though injury, Achilles injury

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Speaker 1: and now Daniel Jones. So Daniel Jones, who has was

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Speaker 1: making a miraculous comeback in his career out for the rest.

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Speaker 2: Of the season. I feel awful for the dude I've

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Speaker 2: never met him. I feel awful for.

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Speaker 1: The dude that brings in the backup Riley Leonard, who

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Speaker 1: is a rookie at a Notre Dame and he's got

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Speaker 1: a knee injury. The Colts don't have anybody else. I

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Speaker 1: know it was bad because last night the Ursay family,

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Speaker 1: which owns the Colts, called me and I said, listen,

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Speaker 1: I am very, very willing to do it. I don't

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Speaker 1: think you can match my price. And they're like, you're

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Speaker 1: probably right in that end of the whole conversation. So

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Speaker 1: they went to Philip Rivers, formerly of the San Diego

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Speaker 1: Chargers when it was San Diego Now and then played

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Speaker 1: with the Indianapolis Colts. He's forty four, he's been retired

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Speaker 1: for like four years. He's a grandfather. One of the

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Speaker 1: crazy stats is a rookie on the team who's making

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Speaker 1: a huge impact as the tight end by the name

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Speaker 1: of Tyler Warren. Philip Rivers has a kid older than

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Speaker 1: Tyler Warren. That's a true story, right there. True story.

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Speaker 1: And they since they didn't have is they don't have

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. They don't have a quarterback that they can

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Speaker 1: rely on, and they don't have a backup because the

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Speaker 1: third stringer is the guy the named Brett Rippen, who's

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Speaker 1: a longtime veteran, a journeyman. They signed him. And it

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Speaker 1: gets interesting because it's like, well, who are they gonna sign?

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Speaker 1: And I was saying that we should be clear that

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Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick, I think, is somebody they must have considered,

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Speaker 1: must have considered. They didn't do it obviously, and there

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Speaker 1: could be other people that get signed. But this is

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Speaker 1: a very very big story, and it's a story about

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Speaker 1: first of all, forty four. He's gonna come back and

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Speaker 1: play at forty four. Man, that's amazing. I think it's

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Speaker 1: amazing when you think about the fact that you ever

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Speaker 1: see the show of the Golden Girls, right, Drothy and

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Speaker 1: Rose and Blanche Sophia picture it sicily nineteen oh eight,

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Speaker 1: like those women were in their fifties, their fifties, they

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Speaker 1: looked like they were one hundred and six. And now

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Speaker 1: I got forty four year olds coming back. Health and

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Speaker 1: science has gotten better kids, really and truly, it's an amazing,

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Speaker 1: amazing story.

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Speaker 2: And you have to believe that Philip Rivers is going

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Speaker 2: to play this Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Wait, who are we playing this Sunday? Producer Landon in

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Speaker 1: Seattle against the Oh we're in Seattle, who are ten

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Speaker 1: and three playing the Seahawks. That's well, that's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be fun. Now if we also know anything

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Speaker 1: about Philip Rivers, and this is what's gonna make the

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Speaker 1: game so amazing. Movie plays Philip Rivers is a trash talker.

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Speaker 2: Philip Rivers. I don't think he curses, right, I don't

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Speaker 2: think he does that.

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Speaker 1: No, he does not. Cursey's Mormon. He's got a mouth

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Speaker 1: on him. He is talking smack everywhere all the time. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be a pleasure to watch just

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Speaker 1: to see what happens. But I don't think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: go into this game with only two quarterbacks. I think

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Speaker 1: we're still going to see something else. Crazy. What do

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Speaker 1: you do when you run a multi billion dollar empire

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Speaker 1: like the NFL and the entire sport is dependent on

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Speaker 1: having sixty four players, a quarterback there thirty two teams

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Speaker 1: in the NFL and a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Nothing else seems to matter.

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Speaker 1: You must have these things. And it turns out for

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Speaker 1: all the people who go through football on the college

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Speaker 1: level and everywhere else, there aren't sixty four of them.

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Speaker 1: You're lucky if you have thirty two of them. That's

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Speaker 1: how difficult the job is. That's how impossible it is.

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Speaker 1: That's how many inputs are coming in, and you have

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Speaker 1: to figure out. Now we can argue from our conversation

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Speaker 1: yesterday at the NFL has some other problems. And I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you this gambling thing has taken on a life

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Speaker 1: of its own. This stuff from Portnoy yesterday, and I

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Speaker 1: shared this story yesterday, and I did not hear David

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Speaker 1: Portnoy threatened the life of Seattle Seahawks coach Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: because if I had.

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Speaker 2: I would have been like, that's beyond the pale.

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Speaker 1: He threatened to hit him, and I said, we don't

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Speaker 1: do that, no violence, nothing, stop it. But holy I

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Speaker 1: did not hear him do that. And I feel bad

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Speaker 1: if I missed it, because that's just wrong. You can't

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Speaker 1: you can't miss that stuff. If someone's threatening to hurt

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Speaker 1: somebody else. Nope, zero, none of that. And David Portnoy has.

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Speaker 2: To take the hits for that.

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Speaker 1: But this idea about the gambling and the amount of

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Speaker 1: gambling and how games look weird and how things are

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Speaker 1: you know, ended in that Detroit that Denver Bronco's Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas Raiders game, and and and people aren't scoring when

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Speaker 1: they can easily score, and the clock is being stopped

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Speaker 1: and allowing for scoring.

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Speaker 2: It's very very very weird.

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Speaker 1: And people are are full on conspiracy at this stage

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Speaker 1: of the game about it, full on in the conspiracy

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Speaker 1: about what's happening in the NFL. And I just want

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Speaker 1: to be clear, I don't think it's just the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I think that this gambling wing is happening everywhere. My

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Speaker 1: commentary yesterday was if Pete Rose played today, he would

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Speaker 1: never been banned from baseball.

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Speaker 2: I know he bet on his own team. That's not

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Speaker 2: the point.

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Speaker 1: Like like it just like this is all.

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Speaker 2: Like just now, matter of fact.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's starting to have a real negative

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Speaker 1: effect on the game. It is, it's having a real

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Speaker 1: negative effect on the game and and and how people

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Speaker 1: perceive it now.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen it do anything yet to the viewership.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's always some conversation, always some kind of

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Speaker 1: talk about how people are gonna ban this, or they're

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Speaker 1: gonna boycott this.

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Speaker 2: A boycott that, a boycott the other.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really happen, doesn't really happen. But thinking that

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Speaker 1: this gambling thing might actually have an effect. As for

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, that's just crazy, crazy that he got signed. Man,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Indianapolis. It's good to have you. Go

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Speaker 1: win Man, go in. You know his team is eight

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Speaker 1: and five. It's it's not in front of the AFC

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Speaker 1: South now that's the Jacksonville Jaguars, but you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: them at the end of the season.

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Speaker 2: Go win, getting go do the thing. You are playing

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Speaker 2: on borrowed time.

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Speaker 1: You have got You have no rules on you, no

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Speaker 1: expectations on you, and you haven't have a team that

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Speaker 1: you know. Just just managed the ball and you'll be

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Speaker 1: all right. Crazy. The NFL has such a lack a

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Speaker 1: dearth of quarterbacks. You needed a forty four year old.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if anybody else goes down in the league,

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Speaker 1: Vinny Testa Verdi's getting a call. Crazy what is happening here?

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Speaker 1: And if I'm the NFL, I am truly concerned, truly concerned,

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Speaker 1: because this is not this is not good. This is

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Speaker 1: a serious issue. Billions and billions of dollars are transpiring

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Speaker 1: because of this league.

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Speaker 2: Three quarterbacks go down, changes a lot.

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Speaker 1: Keep it here. This is Tony Kats today. So the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court met yesterday in a case about what authority

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Speaker 1: does the president have? Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good

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Speaker 1: to be with you. Find everything over at Tony Katz

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Speaker 1: dot com. Appreciate you heading over there checking everything out.

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Speaker 1: And it's a question whether or not the president can

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Speaker 1: fire people who run agencies.

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Speaker 2: We have allowed to happen with agencies.

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Speaker 1: It's basically creating a fourth branch of government where these

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Speaker 1: agencies are created. They get these budgets, they are unaccountable,

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Speaker 1: and there's deference to their decision. They can come up

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Speaker 1: with the rule and the rule of the full effective law.

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Speaker 1: But these people were never voted in and they exist

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Speaker 1: regardless of who's been elected.

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Speaker 2: It's a real.

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Speaker 1: Problem, and there had been for a long time the

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Speaker 1: concept of something a Supreme Court case called Chevron and

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Speaker 1: it was known as Chevron deference, and it's the idea

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Speaker 1: that if an agency made a decision, that the duly

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Speaker 1: elected representatives should yield to that position, and the courts

728
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Speaker 1: really should yield to that position because they're the expert.

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Speaker 1: The legislative branch could still create laws and then the

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Speaker 1: agency would have to follow the law. But the agency

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Speaker 1: can make a lot of decisions outside of laws created,

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Speaker 1: and everyone should defer to that, and the court should

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Speaker 1: defer to that. That is terrible, and that was overturned,

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Speaker 1: and I am overjoyed. And members of Congress are very

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Speaker 1: upset about this because, well, it means I'll have more

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Speaker 1: work to do, because it's up to them to decide yes, correct, accurate.

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Speaker 1: Are duly elected representatives. We have too many agencies as

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Speaker 1: it is. Well, what happens in a situation where the

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Speaker 1: president now elected, wants to fire some people run the

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Speaker 1: agencies because he wants the agencies to do something different?

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Speaker 1: The argument is, well, you can't do that. What do

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Speaker 1: you mean I can't do that. This brings us to

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Speaker 1: the case of Rebecca Slaughter FTC Federal Trade Commission Commissioner,

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Speaker 1: who was fired by Trump, and her argument is, whoaahoo,

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Speaker 1: You don't get to fire me. We're I'm part of

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Speaker 1: an agency. You don't have that power. At that moment,

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Speaker 1: everyone goes whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The president doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the power to fire. I can remember this conversation going

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Speaker 1: back to George W. Bush and the Attorney General at

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Speaker 1: the time, Alberto Gonzales, where they fired a bunch of

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Speaker 1: lawyers in the AG's office, and what they were told

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Speaker 1: is you can't fire those people. It sounded very much like, hey, mongo,

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Speaker 1: you can't park that horse over there, and then bam.

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Speaker 2: The president can fire anybody the president chooses at any time.

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Speaker 1: What a nutty thing to think. Otherwise, the DOJ is

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Speaker 1: part of the executive branch. End of discussion, it's a

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Speaker 1: very weird thing for people to say, you can't fire

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Speaker 1: these people. Somehow, if you work in the federal government,

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Speaker 1: you have a job for for life. You have a

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Speaker 1: job for life. That's nuts. So now comes this conversation

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Speaker 1: about whether or not the president in the United States,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump can hire the fire the heads of independent agencies.

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Speaker 1: Now there's a whole feeling that maybe you can and

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Speaker 1: maybe you can't. And there's a precedent that's referred to

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Speaker 1: as Humphrey's executor.

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Speaker 2: I am not a Supreme Court expert.

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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to do some studying, and what it

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Speaker 1: does is that it would limit the power of the

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Speaker 1: president to fire members of independent commissions.

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Speaker 2: However, this.

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Speaker 1: Decision this president has been slowly chipped away at bit

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Speaker 1: by bit and beast by piece over the years, over

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Speaker 1: the decades. So it has people like the Chief Justice

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Speaker 1: John Roberts saying that Humphrey's executor is really nothing more

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Speaker 1: than a quote dried husk.

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Speaker 2: So maybe they're looking for a reason to get.

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Speaker 1: Rid of it, or maybe, as oftentimes the Court does,

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Speaker 1: what they're really looking for is a way to make

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Speaker 1: subtle changes without making large scale changes. Katanji Brown Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice, has been an embarrassment since she joined

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Speaker 1: the Court. I don't care that she knows more about

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Speaker 1: the law than me. She doesn't know enough to be

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Speaker 1: a Supreme Court justice. She acts on emotion, not data.

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Speaker 1: She is embarrassing. This was her yesterday in the discussion

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Speaker 1: of this case.

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Speaker 11: Some issues, some matter, some areas should be handled in

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Speaker 11: this way by nonpartisan experts. That Congress is saying that

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Speaker 11: expertise matters with respect to aspects of the economy and

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Speaker 11: transportation and the various independent age that we have. So

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Speaker 11: having a president come in and fire all the scientists

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Speaker 11: and the doctors and the economists and the PhDs and

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Speaker 11: replacing them with loyalists and people who don't know anything

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Speaker 11: is actually not in the best interest of the citizens

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Speaker 11: of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Is this your legal opinion or is this just your

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting in my living room screaming at CNN opinion

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Speaker 1: because it sounds like the latter those who were fired,

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Speaker 1: For example, if he had actually fired Anthony Fauci, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: that have been the right thing to do? Because Anthony Fauci,

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Speaker 1: for all his so called bona fides, got everything on

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Speaker 1: COVID wrong and lied to America. You don't need a mask.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, you need a mask. Oh wait, I'll go

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Speaker 1: to a.

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Speaker 2: Washington Nationals game and not wear a mask.

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Speaker 1: And what is this argument that somehow we should defer

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Speaker 1: to people who others have decided to have an expertise

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Speaker 1: but were never elected.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that exactly what happened when.

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Speaker 1: You saw governor say, well, our health commisis or says

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Speaker 1: you can't open your business. So you can't open your

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Speaker 1: business during COVID. You can't go to church. We elect

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Speaker 1: leaders to be leaders at all times, take in the

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Speaker 1: data points and then make decisions. I didn't elect some

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Speaker 1: doctor who sits on some board to decide whether not

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Speaker 1: my business can be open. But this is the argument

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Speaker 1: being made by a Supreme Court justice that some expert

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Speaker 1: should have the power and not the elected president of

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Speaker 1: the United States.

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Speaker 11: These issues should not be in presidential control. So can

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Speaker 11: you speak to me about the danger of allowing in

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Speaker 11: these various areas the president to actually control the Transportation

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Speaker 11: Board and potentially the Federal Reserve.

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Speaker 1: And if I never served in the military, and I

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Speaker 1: am elected president of the United States, to which I

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Speaker 1: would be awesome, do I get to be the commander

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Speaker 1: in chief? I never served? Barack Obama never served. I

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Speaker 1: don't even think that guy ever played with a Gi Joe.

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Speaker 1: Did he get to be commander in chief? What an argument,

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Speaker 1: a nonsensical argument, Katanji Brown Jackson is making. And then,

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Speaker 1: as she does in almost every time she opens her mouth,

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Speaker 1: she'll tell you how she doesn't understand all.

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Speaker 11: These other independent agencies in these particular areas, we would

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Speaker 11: like to have independence.

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Speaker 4: We don't want the president controlling.

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Speaker 11: I guess what I don't understand from your overarching argument

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Speaker 11: is why that determination of Congress, which makes perfect sense

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Speaker 11: given its duty to protect the people of the United States,

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Speaker 11: why that is subjugated to a concern about the president

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Speaker 11: not being able to control everything.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I appreciate there's a conflict between the two.

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Speaker 1: No, there's a conflict between your hate for Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: and rational thought, Justice Brown Jackson. If the president was

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Speaker 1: elected and said here's what we're going to do, and

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Speaker 1: there's an agency that he can't replace leadership to get

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Speaker 1: what he wants done, doone you think that's okay. That's

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Speaker 1: not a check in balance. That is the people being

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Speaker 1: usurped and not being able to have the full effect

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Speaker 1: of their vote, to not be able to make changes

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Speaker 1: is well, I would argue disenfranchisement. My vote doesn't count well,

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Speaker 1: not in these areas that the court decided. I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have a say. I'm the voter, I'm the citizen. I

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Speaker 1: got to say in all of it, keep it here.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today. So

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Speaker 1: I've got three more things for you, Tony Katz, Tony

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Speaker 1: Katz today. Great to be here, Great to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Here is one of those things. This is a story

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Speaker 1: over at NBC News. This is the headline, ICE has

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Speaker 1: arrested nearly seventy five thousand people with no criminal records.

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Speaker 1: Data shows. That's a very interesting headline. Why is it

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Speaker 1: interesting because it doesn't say anything. It doesn't say anything

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Speaker 1: at all. You've arrested seventy five thousand people with no

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Speaker 1: criminal records. Were those seventy five thousand people in the

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Speaker 1: country illegally because they're about to have a criminal record?

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Speaker 2: But that's not the story. That's the headline.

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Speaker 1: ICE has arrested nearly seventy five thousand people with no

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Speaker 1: criminal records, Data shows the first paragraph of the story.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to read it to you right here.

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Speaker 1: More than a third of the roughly two hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty thousand people arrested by ICE officers in the first

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Speaker 1: nine months of the Trump administration had no criminal histories,

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Speaker 1: according to new data. Now listen to me. You just

872
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Speaker 1: told me that two hundred and twenty thousand people were arrested,

873
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Speaker 1: a third of them had no criminal histories. So you're

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Speaker 1: telling me that ICE Immigrations and Customs Enforcement has arrested

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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five thousand people who are in

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Speaker 1: the country illegally who do have criminal records. Good work,

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Speaker 1: good work, everybody, well done. I am I am pleased

878
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Speaker 1: to hear this. Why this story matters. The headline's a lie. Well,

879
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Speaker 1: the headline is not a lie, but you can clearly

880
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: see how the headline is meant to manipulate low information

881
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Speaker 1: voters who don't go about even reading the first paragraph

882
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Speaker 1: of a story and don't dig into us all. The

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Speaker 1: here is, you know, Trump he arrested seventy five thousand

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Speaker 1: people who did nothing wrong.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly the way they'll say it.

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Speaker 1: But that isn't the story because we still don't know

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Speaker 1: if the seventy five thousand whether or not they were

888
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Speaker 1: in the country legally or not. And seventy five thousand

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Speaker 1: out of two hundred and twenty thousand, which means one

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty five thousand people had criminal records. That

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Speaker 1: would signal to me that Trump is doing an absolutely

892
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Speaker 1: bang up job, incredible job. That's number one, right, that's

893
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Speaker 1: the first story that's out there. Let me bring your

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Speaker 1: story number two, which is going to make your nuts.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel got a contract extension. Not a joke. To

896
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Speaker 1: quote Joe Biden, no joke. Through twenty twenty seven, Jimmy

897
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Speaker 1: Kimmel will continue to be a late night host. He

898
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Speaker 1: lies about who killed who assassinated Charlie Kirk, He gets

899
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Speaker 1: a couple day vacation and gets rewarded with a contract extension.

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Speaker 2: If you want to know what Disney is all about,

901
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: there you go.

902
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Speaker 1: And I think there's an opportunity here for CBS, a

903
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Speaker 1: massive opportunity. You already said that Colbert is leaving, You're

904
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Speaker 1: getting out of late night.

905
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Speaker 2: Should you.

906
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Speaker 1: Or should you engage in not even a counter programming,

907
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Speaker 1: but an honest programming, something that's actually funny, something that's

908
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: actually interesting. There's an opportunity here to change the whole game.

909
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Speaker 1: But when it comes to ABC, and when it comes

910
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: to Disney, this is who they are. We don't have

911
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: to question it anymore. We don't have to question whether

912
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: or not their ideology drives them. My argument has always

913
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Speaker 1: been that when you take a look at the late

914
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Speaker 1: night shows, what the late night shows are there for

915
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Speaker 1: is it's a signal to their fellow travelers that hey,

916
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Speaker 1: no matter what we had to do with the news department,

917
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Speaker 1: this is how we really feel. This is how we

918
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Speaker 1: really feel. You know, we're going to counter our own

919
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Speaker 1: news programming, which may have to say, hey, Trump stop

920
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Speaker 1: border crossings, or Trump actually got a peace deal, or

921
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Speaker 1: Trump got lower prescription drug prices on for example, people

922
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Speaker 1: are trying to lose weight or any other thing, and

923
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to counter that good news in our

924
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Speaker 1: own way. So we'll do it with the late night programming,

925
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Speaker 1: which is the counter to our own news programming. So

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Speaker 1: all our friends will still invite us to the Christmas parties.

927
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the holiday event spectacular parties. We don't say

928
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: Christmas anymore. I've always thought that that was the purpose

929
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Speaker 1: of the plan and the philosophy. I didn't know that

930
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Speaker 1: they would admit it. And then there is the most

931
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Speaker 1: clear and obvious story that has ever existed.

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Speaker 2: Robert F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior outranks Trump and Biden in a new Harvard

934
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Speaker 1: Harris Pole. The Healthy Human Services Secretary. RFK has got

935
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Speaker 1: stronger ratings. He's forty three favorable, forty unfavorable. It puts

936
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Speaker 1: him ahead of jd Vance No dub, we were here.

937
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Speaker 1: We did it on this show. You guys heard it first.

938
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Speaker 1: Republicans should be running on Maha in the midterms. They

939
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: should be running on safer kids, on healthier kids, on

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Speaker 1: being more honest about vaccines. And while yes, I still

941
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: think you should take vaccines, it's okay to question what's

942
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: going on. And we should be looking at this and

943
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: looking at that, and we should be get these kinds

944
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Speaker 1: of food dies out and these kinds of additives out.

945
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Speaker 1: This is the good stuff. Ten thousand percent. There is

946
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Speaker 1: no question that he is aside from Seawan Duffy the

947
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Speaker 1: Transportation Secretary, he is the winner right now in the

948
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Speaker 1: first ten months of this administration. I would argue that

949
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Speaker 1: the success and the popularity is RFK, Sean Duffy, Marco

950
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Speaker 1: Rubio bessn't the rest Pambondy, I can't go much lower.

951
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: Did Trump put out a truth social that was like, Hey, Pam, honestly,

952
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: what exactly do you do around here? Why don't we

953
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: have this done? Why aren't we getting these justices approved?

954
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: Why aren't we getting this done? Why don't we have

955
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: these lawyers in place? Why are we losing this? Why

956
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: are we losing that? Seriously, Pambondy, it's disappointing, but it's true.

957
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: They're not all winners. And Ham Bondy is a letdown.

958
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: She's a letdown. Better better than at Gates. I still

959
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: go with that. I have to believe it, but an

960
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: absolute letdown. Then there's Ron DeSantis. Ron DeSantis who has

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Speaker 1: designated the Muslim Brotherhood and CARE the Council on American

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Speaker 1: Islamic Relations as foreign terrorist organizations. Texas did this, Governor

963
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: Greg Abbott did this, and now Florida is doing this. Good,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely wonderful because CARE the Council of American Islamic Relations

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Speaker 1: has long been accused and I would say in my

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Speaker 1: own viewing of them as a front as.

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Speaker 2: A cover group for Islamic terrorism.

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Speaker 1: For a series of issues, as opposed to an honesty

969
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: about what we're dealing with. But then again, we can

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Speaker 1: get into the larger scale conversation of Islam needing a

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Speaker 1: reformation and that hasn't come yet. Muslim Brotherhood, yes, there

972
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Speaker 1: is no question. You see them in multiple places around

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Speaker 1: the globe. Is exactly what they are. Designating them as

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Speaker 1: a terrorist organization, I would argue, is correct. We have

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Speaker 1: a problem regarding Islamists and those who want to protect Islamists,

976
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: and we can't have that problem if we want to

977
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Speaker 1: be a society that survives and thrives can't have the problem.

978
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Speaker 1: We should be honest. If you want to tell me

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Speaker 1: about how white supremacists are a danger here, there and everywhere,

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Speaker 1: you can, And I'm going to point you to all

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Speaker 1: of the arrests that are made where somebody who is

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Speaker 1: clearly hispanic is referred to as white and all these

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Speaker 1: other places were referred to as white. And I have

984
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Speaker 1: a question about the data as opposed to and honesty

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Speaker 1: about who's actually committing crimes. White people commit crimes, by

986
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Speaker 1: the way, duh, I mean that's just obvious. I mean

987
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was right there, not running the country. Joe

988
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: Biden let thirteen service members die at abby Gate and

989
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: left terrorists or hardware.

990
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 2: I can see it with my own eyes.

991
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Speaker 1: Ted Kennedy killed a woman, so white Kennedy white, which

992
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: is like the whitest of whites. Yeah, white people commit crimes.

993
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: All sorts of people commit crimes. To refuse to recognize them,

994
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: to try and say, well, if you noticed them, that's bigotry. No, No,

995
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: that's how you get the fraud of billions of dollars

996
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis by a Swayan refugees and nationals et cetera.

997
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 2: We should we should acknowledge these things.

998
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: Islamist star problem and those who suppor and defend his

999
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: lomist equal problem. This brings us to a story over

1000
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: the Daily Wire. Now it makes it interesting. This story

1001
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: is that there is right now a very large scale

1002
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: conversation going on regarding Paramount Warner and Netflix and really

1003
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Speaker 1: hostile takeovers. There's a story that Larry Ellison, who owns Oracle,

1004
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: remember it's his son who's got Skydance that bought Paramount, right,

1005
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of changes going on, they want

1006
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: to make a hostile takeover bid for CNN and peering

1007
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: hostile takeover. Brian Stelter immediately fell to the floor and

1008
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: wet himself, saying, please don't hurt me. The story here.

1009
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Speaker 1: The story from the Daily Wire.

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Speaker 2: Is that.

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Speaker 1: Forty percent of Netflix kids shows include LGBT themes. Yeah,

1012
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: that's about forty one percent too many. What is what

1013
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: is this? What this is is indoctrination and their parents

1014
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: out there putting their kids in front of the TV.

1015
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: Enjoy your screen time. I don't have time for parenting.

1016
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: I have to doom scroll on Facebook. I have to

1017
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: complain about my neighbor on next door. I'm very busy.

1018
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: There's of course day drinking, and this is what your

1019
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: kids are absorbing. This is what your kids are seeing.

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Speaker 1: It's a crazy, crazy story. Comes from Concerned Women of America.

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01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: This report forty one percent in both the TVG and

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Speaker 1: the TV Y seven youth categories. One third of all

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Speaker 1: Netflix shows rated for children contain LGBTQ characters, themes, or messaging.

1024
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: I think it's the themes or the messaging that create

1025
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Speaker 1: the biggest issues, and so we're even more clear.

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Speaker 2: If it was lg and B we'd have less of

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Speaker 2: an issue. It's the T.

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Speaker 1: The LBNNG needs to drop the T. The T is

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Speaker 1: not anything more than a political movement, and that's what

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Speaker 1: LGBT has become, and the flags.

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Speaker 2: And everything else. This is not what you fought for it, Stonewall,

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Speaker 2: you got to drop the T.

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Speaker 1: We all need to and recognize it as mental illness

1034
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Speaker 1: and help people, not try and push more people to

1035
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Speaker 1: the mental illness. I'm Tony Katz. It's okay.

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Speaker 2: I feel good in my state of Indiana.

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Speaker 1: The country can go down.

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Speaker 12: But I say we shouldn't allow it.

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Speaker 1: We have a role to play.

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Speaker 12: If we've had an agency that's cheated us. Then we

1041
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 12: can fight back by doing something that's fair and right,

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Speaker 12: and that is to redistrict and give us nine seats

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Speaker 12: at least get us two back a margin a four

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Speaker 12: out of that twelve.

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Speaker 1: That is State Senator Michael Young of Indiana. As they

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Speaker 1: are now discussing redistricting, and got through committee yesterday six

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Speaker 1: to three. It turned out I was accurate about who

1048
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Speaker 1: was going to do what and that if one senator went,

1049
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Speaker 1: others were going to follow. So they're now having a discussion.

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Speaker 1: It's actually on c SPAN as we speak Tony Kattz

1051
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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today there are they're going to vote, I

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Speaker 1: believe on Thursday about redisjucting, which would take in the

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Speaker 1: state of Indiana, which has seven Republican seats two Democrat

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Speaker 1: seats right now and would redistrict to be nine to zero,

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Speaker 1: really a Republican advantage. There is an issue with the

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Speaker 1: map that they put out. Oh, I accept this, I've

1057
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Speaker 1: discussed this. There is a real issue with the map.

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Speaker 1: But the question has been is this a state that's

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Speaker 1: going to redistrict? And there's been a lot of outside

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01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: influence trying to go after members of the state Senate,

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Speaker 1: and that influence has been for not. You could scream

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Speaker 1: and yell on social media as an influencer all you want,

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Speaker 1: you don't mean anything here. An argument is what matters here,

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Speaker 1: and you haven't that influence. I do not know if

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Speaker 1: there will be twenty six votes for redistricting when this happens.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're gonna need. I do not know if

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Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. By the way, you have forty Republicans.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fifty total. I don't know if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have the twenty six votes or not. They just

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Speaker 1: adjourned this. Did they just adjourn the session? Well that

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Speaker 1: didn't last very long? No, did it?

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Speaker 2: Did they just really do that while we were standing here?

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Speaker 1: Did they just adjourn the session as soon as it

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Speaker 1: really started? Huh? Well that's something. We'll see what they do.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a big story. Actually, no, I think

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Speaker 1: that boat takes place on Thursday. I don't think it

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Speaker 1: takes place tomorrow. We'll find out. Keep it here. This

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Speaker 1: is Tony Katz today. Lie from the Hartmyer and the

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Speaker 1: Crossroads of America. It's Tony Katz today. I cannot really

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Speaker 1: explain to you why it is that Vladimir Zelensky hasn't

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Speaker 1: read the piece deal yet, although I know Zelenski was

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Speaker 1: in the UK meeting with Kir Starmer, the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 1: and that should come to it end quickly. I mean

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Speaker 1: Kiers Starmer's Prime Minister, just terrible Tony Katz. Tony Katz today,

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Speaker 1: between the free speech issues, between the coddling of Islamists,

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Speaker 1: and of course the weakness overall when it.

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Speaker 2: Comes to strategy.

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Speaker 1: This is a guy who is shameful and this is

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Speaker 1: really all the fault of the royal family. Again, I

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Speaker 1: put it all in Prince William. The UK will fold,

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Speaker 1: it will fall apart, and Prince George will never be

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Speaker 1: King George. If they continue to go down this path,

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Speaker 1: Prince William as King William will be the last king.

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Speaker 2: That's what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: They have work to do, and the Royals won't talk

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Speaker 1: about the problem. You can't rely on Harry and Meghan.

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Speaker 1: First of all, they're barely royals, and secondly they're fools.

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Speaker 1: This is not a time for Neville Chamberlain progressives, and

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Speaker 1: Nevil Chamberlain never would have even been this kind of

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Speaker 1: progressive you got to stand up and fight and change

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Speaker 1: the course of your nation and of your future. Otherwise

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Speaker 1: he's going to be the last king. Keir Starmer's have

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Speaker 1: failed Prime Minister. And then you've got Emmanuel Macron there

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Speaker 1: and others meeting with Zolenski about a peace deal with Russia.

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Speaker 1: But there's a peace deal on the table, and according

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Speaker 1: to Trump, Zolensky hasn't read it yet.

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Speaker 2: Now that could mean a whole bunch of things.

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Speaker 1: It could be nothing more than a pressure campaign to

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Speaker 1: make sure that they get to this thing being done.

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Speaker 1: Because it being done, of course, is Trump's everything. He

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01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: wants it done to say, look what I did. I

1112
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Speaker 1: told you i'd get it done. I got it done.

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Speaker 1: I'm the best, Thank you, good night. The first rule

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Speaker 1: of trump Ism is Trump wins. The second rule of

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01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: trump Ism is that a deal can always be made

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Speaker 1: as long as it adheres to the first rule of

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Speaker 1: trump Ism. Well, Trump did an interview with Dashah Burns.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that Dashah Burns was still connected

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Speaker 1: with Politico. I thought she had left Politico to do

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Speaker 1: the stuff on ceasefire and stuff with Seaspan. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know she was still there, or maybe she had left

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Speaker 1: NBC in this was the two part gig that she

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Speaker 1: was going to get neither here nor there.

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Speaker 2: Dashah Burns is doing the interview.

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Speaker 1: And it's not that I'm a super big fan or

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Speaker 1: I think that she's a real talent or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: It's that it's it goes in earnest, it's interesting, and

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Speaker 1: it's Trump. People forget this part of him when there

1129
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: isn't the place for the bomb bast when he isn't

1130
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Speaker 1: trying to throw a bomb, when he isn't having to

1131
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:32,440
Speaker 1: respond to lunacy, he wants to engage thoughtfully. Now sometimes

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01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: he you know, he meanders back and forth, and he'll

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Speaker 1: always get into a thing when it comes to Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and Russia. You know, it never would have happened if

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Speaker 1: our president. We're past that arguments it's boring to me,

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Speaker 1: at least to me at this stage of the game.

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Speaker 2: Here we are, now, what is our plan?

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01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: Now? That's the only question. So the interview and this

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01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: piece I have for you, it goes pretty long. I

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:03,440
Speaker 1: think it starts out certainly has a worthy conversation about

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01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: what the goal is here and what the real problems are.

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Speaker 10: The last night you said that you weren't sure if

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Speaker 10: President Zelenski was fine with the most recent.

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Speaker 4: Proposal, that he isn't ready.

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Speaker 10: I was hearing from your advisors around Thanksgiving that they

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01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 10: thought this thing might be wrapped up by the end

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01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 10: of the holiday, but it's.

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Speaker 4: Still not done.

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01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 10: Is Zelensky responsible for the stalled progress or what's going

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Speaker 10: on there?

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Speaker 1: Well, he's got to read the proposal. He hadn't written.

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Speaker 13: Really, he hasn't read the most recent drafts that's as

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Speaker 13: of yesterday, and maybe he's read it over the night.

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Speaker 13: It would be nice if we would read it. You know,

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Speaker 13: a lot of people are dying, so it would be

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01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,799
Speaker 13: really good if he'd read it. His people loved the proposal.

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Speaker 1: They really liked it.

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Speaker 13: His lieutenants, his top people, they liked it. But they

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01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 13: said he hasn't read it yet.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how that's actually possible. I don't know how,

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Speaker 1: because we can take that a whole series of ways,

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Speaker 1: And one of the ways to take that is he's

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Speaker 1: not sure if he likes it. He's not sure he's

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01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: down with everything in it, right, because the argument that

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01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: he hasn't read it would lead to the argument that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know what's in it.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think there's any way that that's possible.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I would go so far

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Speaker 1: as to say that is completely impossible. It can't be.

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Speaker 1: It can't be that he doesn't know what's in the

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Speaker 1: peace proposal. So the idea that he hasn't read it,

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Speaker 1: I think is means something else here. Everybody else on

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Speaker 1: his team really loves it, but not him. It means

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Speaker 1: something else. It means there's a reticence to which I

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01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: mean that's gonna bother Trump anyway, because it could be

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01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: like how how in the world can you be reticent?

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Speaker 2: Which is something that Trump gets into.

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Speaker 13: I think he should find time to read it.

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Speaker 4: Is it time for Ukraine to hold an election? Do

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Speaker 4: you think?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's been a long time, it hasn't been doing

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Speaker 13: particularly well. Yeah, I think it's time. I think it's

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Speaker 13: an important time to.

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Speaker 1: Hold an election.

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Speaker 13: You know, they're using war not to hold an election,

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01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 13: but I would think the Ukrainian people would You should

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Speaker 13: have that choice, and maybe Zelenski would win. I don't

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Speaker 13: know who would win, but they haven't had an election

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Speaker 13: in a long time. You know, they talk about a democracy,

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Speaker 13: but it gets to a point where it's not a

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Speaker 13: democracy anymore.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how many people are going to scream that

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01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: Trump is interfering with another nation, right, And that is

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01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: my assumption. The last election was twenty nineteen. The scheduled

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Speaker 1: election was twenty twenty four, but then they had the

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Speaker 1: war Ukraine puts in martial law, and you still have

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Speaker 1: Vladimir Zelenski as president.

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Speaker 2: Part of the health of a nation is to be

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Speaker 2: able to do just that.

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Speaker 1: Here we are in dire straits, but the republic for

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01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: us for others democracy, if you will indoors, we have

1202
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Speaker 1: the election, we go on.

1203
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 2: It was an.

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01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: Interesting point made. You know, here's Richard Nixon embroiled and scandal.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Watergate was nothing compared to what the

1206
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: Biden administration did inspiring on senators.

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Speaker 2: Just for clarity, it was nothing.

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Speaker 1: I don't care how history has built it up, and

1209
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: know nothings have talked it up. Watergate was zero in

1210
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: comparison to what Joe Biden did to senators. Zero.

1211
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: I didn't say Watergate was great.

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01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying in comparison to Joe Biden's listening in and

1213
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: the DOJ under Biden listening in to senators and spying. Zero.

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01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 2: What Biden did is some of the most obscene stuff

1215
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 2: out there.

1216
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: But someone pointed out that here's all this stuff happening

1217
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,959
Speaker 1: with with Richard Nixon, country divided and embroiled and scandal.

1218
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: He resigns, Here comes Gerald Ford. Country just kept moving on.

1219
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: No disasters, no shots fired. There he is now.

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01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 2: It's not to say that people didn't try and take

1221
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 2: out Jerald Ford.

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Speaker 1: It was the point of we've got a really good

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01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: system of transition here, and that's healthy stuff. So it's

1224
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: an interesting conversation about the election, and it's meant to

1225
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 1: be a dig on Zelenski. Listen, you ain't doing the job.

1226
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: You're not coming to the table, you're not reading the thing,

1227
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: which is really a code for something else.

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01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: What's your value here? Maybe you're the problem.

1229
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: Maybe Vladimir I should start floating the concept that you're

1230
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 1: the impediment. That's what this is. It's a pressure campaign.

1231
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Speaker 10: In this interview on Sunday, your son Donald Trump Junior

1232
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 10: responded to a reporter's question about whether you will quote

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01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 10: walk away from Ukraine, and your son said, I.

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Speaker 4: Think he may. Is that correct?

1235
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Speaker 13: No, it's not correct, but it's not exactly wrong. We

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01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 13: have to you know, they have to play ball if

1237
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 13: they if they don't reread agreements, potential agreements. You know,

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01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 13: it's not easy with the Russia because Russia has the

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01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 13: upper upper hand and.

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01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: They always did.

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01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 13: They're much bigger than much stronger in that sense. I

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01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 13: give Ukraine a lot of I give the people of

1243
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 13: Ukraine and the military of Ukraine tremendous credit for the

1244
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 13: bravery and for the fighting and all of that. But

1245
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 13: you know, at some point the size will win generally,

1246
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 13: and this is a massive size. We take a look

1247
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 13: at the numbers. I mean, the numbers are just crazy.

1248
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 13: This is not a war that should have happened. This

1249
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 13: is a war that would have never happened if I

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01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 13: were president.

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Speaker 1: So I hate that talking point. Just enough of it already.

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01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 2: It's a personal thing. Maybe you feel the same way.

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01:19:59,400 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 8: But the.

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01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 1: Larger scale conversation here about this war again is the

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01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: pressure campaign. But it was about will he walk away?

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01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: We brought this up yesterday. I think that there is

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01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: a feeling from Trump, a part of him that says, listen,

1259
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: if you guys don't want this, I'm tired of waste

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01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: my time, my capital on this.

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01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 2: I'll go work on other things. You figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Best of luck, Enjoy Europe, enjoy this mess. It's all

1263
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: yours now, these two freaks forget it. I think there

1264
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 1: is a part of him that wants to say that,

1265
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 1: but I think it is beaten out by the part

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Speaker 1: that can't understand it to begin with. Doesn't make any sense.

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01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: He can't handle the concept of war. He can't handle

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01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: the concept of the fighting. He can't take it. It

1269
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 1: drives him to a point of absolutely mental Why in

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01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: the world would fight with each other? Why in the

1271
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: world do you kill each other? Just engage in some

1272
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 1: trade and have a good time. The whole thing war

1273
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: is completely disconnected from his possibility tree. Right, It doesn't

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01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: rank anywhere. Take a look at the United States. In Iran,

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01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: you bomb Foordeaux, your bomb Isfahan, your bomb Natons, these

1276
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 1: nuclear facilities, and quite literally the next day is like, hey,

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01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: if Iran wants to talk business, that's cool. It's how

1278
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: he works, it's how he operates.

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Speaker 2: It does.

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01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: It does turn foreign policy concepts directly on their head,

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01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: which is why he was willing to meet with Kim

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01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: Jong un and others. His base philosophy is the concept

1283
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: of war keeps you from the concept of trade and

1284
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: money is better than killing. So what are we all doing?

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01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: That's the basic concept. I mean, that's a driving principle.

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01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: We all understand it. Maybe you haven't said it just

1287
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: like that, but the minute you heard it, you're like, yeah,

1288
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: that is that is what he's about. It is so

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Speaker 1: I think that he would like.

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Speaker 2: To walk away from the whole thing. I don't think

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Speaker 2: he can bring himself to walk away from the whole thing.

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Speaker 13: It was said millions of people who dead, many many soldiers.

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Speaker 13: You know, last month they lost twenty seven thousand soldiers

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Speaker 13: and some people from missiles being launched into Kiev and

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Speaker 13: Kieva and other places. But what a what a what

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Speaker 13: a sad thing for humanity. You know, this doesn't affect us.

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Speaker 13: Our country is no longer paying any money. It was

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Speaker 13: a Biden give him three hundred and fifty billion dollars

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Speaker 13: so stupidly. And you know, if he wouldn't have given him,

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Speaker 13: maybe something else would have happened. But Putin has had

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Speaker 13: no respect for Biden, and he had no respect for Zelenski.

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Speaker 13: Didn't like Zelensky.

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Speaker 1: They really hate each other.

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Speaker 13: And part of the problem is they hate each other

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Speaker 13: really a lot. You know, and it's very hard for

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Speaker 13: them to try and make a deal. It's harder than most.

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Speaker 13: I settled eight wars, and this I would have said,

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Speaker 13: this is the ninth. This would have been the easiest

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Speaker 13: one I would have said, or one of the easier ones.

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Speaker 13: I mean, I said one that was going on for

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Speaker 13: thirty six years. I settled Pakistan and India. I said

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Speaker 13: so many wars. I'm very proud of it. And I

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Speaker 13: do it pretty routinely, pretty easily. It's not hard for

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Speaker 13: me to do. It's what I do. I make deals.

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Speaker 13: This one is tough. One of the reasons is the

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Speaker 13: level of hatred between Putin and Zolensky is tremendous.

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Speaker 1: And it's the part that he can't And I don't

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Speaker 1: mean this negatively right, It's not a knock on him.

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Speaker 1: It's about understanding him. And I think that that's what

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Speaker 1: won't let him let it go. But Dosha Burns gets

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Speaker 1: some one more question here from Politico.

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Speaker 10: You're right, you're not spending money, but you are spending

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Speaker 10: your time in.

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Speaker 13: Want I want to stop saving, you know, I want

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Speaker 13: to stop saying.

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Speaker 10: People can't this deal of Zelenski rejects this deal, is

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Speaker 10: there timeline.

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Speaker 4: Is there a point at which you.

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Speaker 13: Say, well, he's going to have to get on the

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Speaker 13: ball and start accepting things. You know when you're losing,

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Speaker 13: because you're losing.

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Speaker 4: Ukraine has do you think Ukraine has lost this war?

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Speaker 13: Well, I've lost territory long before I got here. They

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Speaker 13: lost a whole strip of seafront, big Seafront.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the maps.

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Speaker 13: I've been here for ten months, but you go back

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Speaker 13: ten months and take a look. They lost that whole strip.

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Speaker 13: It's now a bigger strip, it's a wider strip, but

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Speaker 13: they lost a lot of land. And it's very good

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Speaker 13: land too that they lost.

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Speaker 1: So he is not going to admit that the war

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Speaker 1: has lost. But he is, I think exactly where we think.

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Speaker 1: Can't believe these two are fighting, can't believe it's so difficult.

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Speaker 1: The hatred amongst these two, it's so great, And the

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Speaker 1: hatred to him is completely stupid. That's how he sees it.

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Speaker 1: So this is only a short part of the interview

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Speaker 1: that I have here, but I liked it because this

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Speaker 1: is the part of Trump that we don't get to

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Speaker 1: see enough.

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Speaker 2: And he can do. He can dig in and credit.

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Speaker 1: To Tasha Burns I didn't think her questions were anything

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Speaker 1: other than questions you might ask, Hey, your son said this,

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Speaker 1: do you agree with that?

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Speaker 2: Hey, do you think that this war? Do you think

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Speaker 2: Ukraine's lost the war?

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Speaker 1: Now that is a little bit of a ooh, please

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Speaker 1: say that, because that'll allow me the biggest scoop ever

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Speaker 1: rights it's Walter Cronkite's time, this war is lost, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But Trump didn't buy in tonight, and he didn't profer that.

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Speaker 1: Let's make sure that he didn't profer that.

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Speaker 13: He certainly wouldn't say it's a victory. And I could

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Speaker 13: show you a chart a lot of land I lost.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of land I think.

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Speaker 1: That we think of it.

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Speaker 13: If our election wasn't rigged, it was a rigged election.

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Speaker 13: Now everyone knows. It's just going to come out over

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Speaker 13: the next couple of months, too loud and clear, because

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Speaker 13: we have all the information here. But if the election

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Speaker 13: wasn't rigged and stolen, you wouldn't even be talking about

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Speaker 13: Ukraine right now.

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Speaker 1: But we are. I'm curious to see what information he's

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Speaker 1: got about the twenty twenty election to put out. So

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Speaker 1: Trump does some of the things he always does, But

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Speaker 1: when presented with a calm conversation and asked worthy questions.

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Speaker 1: He digs in. If more journalists would do that on

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Speaker 1: the regular, we'd have less crazy.

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Speaker 2: The thing that they.

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Speaker 1: Can't believe is that he fights back, and the thing

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Speaker 1: we can't believe is that they haven't learned that he

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Speaker 1: fights back. But if you ask rational questions like a

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Speaker 1: rational person, you get answers that you could sink your

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Speaker 1: teeth into, which I personally prefer. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 1: The farmers are going to get twelve billion dollars. Oh okay,

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Speaker 1: the farmers are getting twelve billion dollars. I like farmers.

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Speaker 1: I want to see them get helped out. But just

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Speaker 1: for the sake of the argument, where exactly is the

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Speaker 1: twelve billion dollars coming from?

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz?

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, good to be where you find it

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Speaker 1: all at Tony kots dot com. According to President Trump,

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Speaker 1: who made this announcement yesterday, the twelve billion dollars is

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Speaker 1: coming from Tariff's.

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Speaker 14: Delighted to announce this afternoon that the United States will

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Speaker 14: be taking a small portion of the hundreds of billions

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Speaker 14: of dollars we receive in tariffs. We are making a

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Speaker 14: lot of money from countries that took advantage of us

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Speaker 14: for years. They took advantage of us like nobody's ever seen.

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Speaker 14: Our deficits are way down because of tariffs. I guess

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Speaker 14: because of the election, because without the election, you wouldn't

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Speaker 14: have tariffs.

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Speaker 1: Should be sitting here losing your share. But we're taking

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Speaker 1: in billions. We're really taking in trillions of.

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Speaker 14: Dollars if you think about it, Scott, because the real numbers,

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01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 14: you know, when you think.

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Speaker 15: Of all the money being poured into the country for

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01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 15: new auto plants and all of the other things. AI.

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Speaker 1: So what we're doing is we're.

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Speaker 14: Taking a relatively small portion of that and we're going

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01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 14: to be giving and providing it to the farmers in

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Speaker 14: economic assistance.

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Speaker 1: And we love our farmers, and I love our farmers too,

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01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: But I was told that the tariff money was going

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Speaker 1: to pay down the debt.

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01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,759
Speaker 2: Now it's going to farmers. I'm not anti farmer.

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Speaker 1: Had some people from my morning show yelling at me

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01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 1: about how I'm anti farmer. I'm allowed to notice that

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01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of tariffs.

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01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 2: And what was Trump saying?

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01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 4: Wait?

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01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: Where was I think it was the front of Newsmax.

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01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 1: I think it was that if you oppose tariffs, you're

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01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:45,759
Speaker 1: the enemy.

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01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 2: Only dark and.

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01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 1: Sinister forces want to end tariffs. Okay, sure, tariffs are taxes.

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01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan. Prices have gone up. Now inflation

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01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: hasn't gone up. That's legit. And so there's a really

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01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 1: interesting argument for why that hasn't happened, and is the

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01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: entire theory regarding tariff's tax is wrong? And I would say,

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01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 1: right now, we don't have enough data. I can tell

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01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: you that tariffs have increased costs, you pay more. How

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01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: else do you think all this money pours in and

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01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: now we're not using it to paydown debt, which would

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01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,719
Speaker 1: give us all relief, We're using it just for farmers.

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01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 1: I like farmers. I don't like how the money is

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01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: being utilized in this case. It's making the argument.

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01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 2: That, look how valuable tariffs are.

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01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: Look how we're helping our farmers. Know, let us help

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01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: farmers if they need the help, But everybody else is

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01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: getting hit. And I don't think that's the way you

1440
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: do things. We should be engaging in the larger scale

1441
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: conversation of less debt is better for everybody. And you

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01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 1: could call me sinister all you want for not being

1443
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:51,799
Speaker 1: a fan of tariffs.

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01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 2: Don't care tariffs and an income tax? Good lord, what

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01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 2: are we all nuts? Now?

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01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 1: You want to get rid of the income tax? Some down,

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01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,879
Speaker 1: I'll give them go. I'll see if that can find everything.

1448
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna be worried about whether or not

1449
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: the President calls me.

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01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 2: Said's right, I don't actually care.

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01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: I want successful farmers, but tariff's policy like this non valuable.

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01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 1: This is tony gots Today.

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01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 8: You ask any working person in the state, do you

1454
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 8: think that you live in a system, a political system,

1455
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 8: an economic system that has your best interest at heart?

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01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:30,480
Speaker 8: Nobody says yes to that. Everyone says no, because everybody

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01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:34,919
Speaker 8: knows in their bones they are being robbed and screwed.

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01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 1: It is why we are angry. We need to be.

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01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 8: Again the party to tap into that anger. We need

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01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 8: to be the party that has the message to tell

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01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 8: people who is to blame. Because right now we spend

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01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 8: a lot of time pointing fingers left and right, but

1463
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 8: we should be pointing fingers and only one direction, and

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01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 8: that is up.

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01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 1: The last thing I want in the world is for

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Speaker 1: Democrats to be more angry, because when they're angry, people die,

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01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 1: and cities burn so in. Graham Platner here from Maine

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01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: with the Nazi tattoo. But he didn't know it as

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01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: a Nazi tattoo, of course, because how could he know.

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01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 2: Talks about tapping into.

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Speaker 1: The anger woo. That is not a good sign of anything.

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Find everything I do over at Tony kats dot com.

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Speaker 1: Join me January twenty fourth, twenty twenty six for Trump.

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Speaker 1: One year later, a red tie gala. Cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: bring this to you. Incredible bourbon is gonna flow, the

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Speaker 1: food's gonna be great. You're gonna have such a good time.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a look at the past year, get

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Speaker 1: ourselves geared up for what it's gonna take to win

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Speaker 1: the midterms. And it's gonna be a red tie event

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Speaker 1: like a black tie, but it's gonna be red tie.

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Speaker 1: Trump one year later, Red tie Gala, January twenty fourth,

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Speaker 1: Get your tickets, Uh, make that happen. Trump one year later,

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fantastic. Cannot wait to bring this to you.

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Speaker 1: I've been working hard daily. It's gonna be so very

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Speaker 1: very very very very good. Cannot wait.

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Speaker 2: Uh, the the idea of the anger. Everything's going up.

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Speaker 1: Listen, there's a real price issue. There's, without question, a

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01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: dollars and cents issue going on in America. And the

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01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 1: right can easily as easily engage this as the left can,

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01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 1: and they should. These costs are too high. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's the rent. The rent is too damn high.

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Speaker 9: Guy.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen that guy out of New York? Who

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Speaker 1: where's the gloves? It's true. The prices are just too high.

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Speaker 1: That's the story. Now Trump has an issue with the

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01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 1: concept of affordability.

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Speaker 15: We inherited a mess.

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Speaker 2: Affordability.

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Speaker 15: But you can call it affordability or anything you want.

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Speaker 15: But the Democrats caused the affordability problem, and.

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01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 1: We're the ones that are fixing it.

1505
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 15: So it's a very simple statement. And they caused it,

1506
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 15: we're fixing it. And they have a tendency to just say, you,

1507
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 15: this election is based on affordability. And nobody questions him, John,

1508
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 15: you know, nobody says, oh, well, what do you mean

1509
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 15: by that? But they just say the word. They never

1510
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 15: said anything else because they caused the problem.

1511
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 2: But we're fixing the problem now.

1512
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: That should sound familiar to you because that was the

1513
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: Barack Obama line that Republicans ran the country into a ditch. Remember, well,

1514
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: they ran the country into the ditch. We're not going

1515
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 1: to let them have the keys to the car anymore.

1516
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 1: That was the argument, right, and it was successful in

1517
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of ways. So I think that

1518
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: the Republicans are a little late to this, but late

1519
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 1: doesn't mean never, And that's better, better than when I

1520
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 1: see the New York Post putting out headlines that say, hey,

1521
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:12,919
Speaker 1: President Trump, let's be clear there is an affordability issue.

1522
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: The headline from the New York Post was, listen to

1523
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 1: the people, President Trump.

1524
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 2: They really do feel economic pain.

1525
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 1: Hell, yes they do. You know, in all the conversations

1526
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 1: we've been sharing just earlier and about Trump and all

1527
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: the investment coming to the United States, my argument has been,

1528
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:38,120
Speaker 1: no one's going to make a move, No one's going

1529
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 1: to feel everything is better until the dollars start flowing.

1530
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 1: Don't tell me about the deals that are coming. Tell

1531
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 1: me about the money flowing. Show me where the jobs are,

1532
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 1: show me where where my life is better, Show me

1533
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 1: where the reduction in prices is. Show me I work

1534
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 1: for a radio company, right, in addition to the syndication,

1535
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 1: I've got a radio gear mornings in Indianapolis, and a

1536
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 1: bunch of other things, And so I have an employer

1537
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: in that regard. I work for myself, but I do

1538
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 1: have an employer. It's it's a unique mix of things

1539
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 1: that happen, and that's where I get my insurance from.

1540
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 1: And if I understand it right, I'm still reviewing. My

1541
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 1: premium is up twenty percent. So let me see if

1542
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: I can do this right. Let me see if there's

1543
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 1: a calculator for.

1544
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,520
Speaker 2: This percentage spread?

1545
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: Right, Maybe maybe that's.

1546
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 2: The way to look at it.

1547
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 1: Rate spread calculator. There's a calculator for everything, for absolutely everything.

1548
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 1: So if I you know, when I take a look

1549
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 1: at this, I start at one place and I get

1550
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 1: to another place, it's like, all right, that's thirty percent.

1551
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: I just do basic math. That's what people are experiencing.

1552
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,560
Speaker 1: By the way, there is a calculator for everything. You

1553
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 1: don't have to do the math yourself. Get people have

1554
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: already figured it out just plugging the numbers. But if

1555
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: you want to do the math. I say, good on you.

1556
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: Remember algebra was actually important and people are experiencing this

1557
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 1: all over the country. And the increase in percentage sounds large.

1558
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 1: But let's say you say an increase could be three

1559
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month, and you're like, yeah, it's just

1560
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars a month.

1561
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 2: That's where you immediately lose people.

1562
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: You can't tell somebody it's just three hundred dollars a month.

1563
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 1: What's wrong with everybody? It isn't just three hundred dollars

1564
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 1: a month. It's their three hundred dollars a month, and

1565
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 1: they're three hundred dollars a month now can't be spent

1566
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 1: on other things. There is a boss yah, that which

1567
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 1: is seen and that which is not seener bo. If

1568
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:07,719
Speaker 1: you go to boss or it's it's it's fantastic, which

1569
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: you know at the broken window and all of these things.

1570
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 1: And so the concept of that which is seen and

1571
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:22,560
Speaker 1: that which is not seen is the idea of saying uh,

1572
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: and it's done in a parable. There's a I may

1573
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 1: have explained this before, but some people are near the

1574
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: show and welcome.

1575
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're here. There's a ShopKeep.

1576
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 1: He's got a I don't know, he's got a shop.

1577
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 1: And he's there on the on the on the town square,

1578
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 1: and he's got a shop. And some kids are outside

1579
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: playing ball and someone hits the ball and boom, goes

1580
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 1: to the window, breaks the window. The shop keep is

1581
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 1: infuriated and he comes out screaming and yelling and look

1582
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:50,440
Speaker 1: at what you've done.

1583
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 2: My gosh, Now I have to get this repaired.

1584
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 1: Now.

1585
01:37:54,160 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 2: People come to the ShopKeep and and they they.

1586
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 1: Say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not be so angry

1587
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: with these children. I mean, yes, they broke your window.

1588
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 1: But now the window guy, he's got business, Thank goodness.

1589
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 1: Look at what he's done. They've done.

1590
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 2: Now this guy has business.

1591
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:17,800
Speaker 1: Now. You know as well as I do that that's

1592
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: a criminally insane thought, because if breaking windows led to

1593
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 1: economic viability, well, then Antifa would be the greatest jobs

1594
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:29,800
Speaker 1: program in the history of America. But it didn't create

1595
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: jobs in Minneapolis, or in Seattle, or in Chicago or

1596
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 1: anyplace else where these ruinous, violent bastards were.

1597
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 2: So that's not what happens.

1598
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 1: What is seen, as Bosiot explains, is the money that

1599
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 1: now goes into the hands of this other business owner

1600
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 1: to replace the window. What is unseen is the where

1601
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 1: that money could have gone. What is unseen is all

1602
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 1: the other things that could have been done because that

1603
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 1: window was broken. If the window wasn't broken, the shop

1604
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 1: keep still has the money in his pocket and he

1605
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 1: could use it for marketing. Maybe he could have hired somebody,

1606
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Maybe he could have bought a new piece of equipment,

1607
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 1: maybe gone on vacation.

1608
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 2: The unseen is a really.

1609
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 1: Really important part of a conversation, and it's the one

1610
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 1: that people refuse to have because they're so busy trying

1611
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 1: to convince or embarrass or shame to get their point across,

1612
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 1: to get their thing across, to get their so called

1613
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 1: value systems across, that they don't recognize how other things

1614
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 1: are harmed and hurt. Oh, it's just three hundred dollars.

1615
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 1: It isn't just three hundred dollars. And I'm talking about

1616
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 1: this in terms of an insurance premium increase, which the

1617
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 1: vast majority of us would say that's nuts. I'm not

1618
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 1: getting three hundred dollars a month more worth of care, right,

1619
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:58,839
Speaker 1: But we can apply it sin to any cost structure

1620
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 1: where you'll see often people on the political leaps say, oh,

1621
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 1: it's just three hundred dollars, Oh, you can afford it.

1622
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 1: They're always going after the rich, going after the oh

1623
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 1: you can afford crowd, which is a lower and lower

1624
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 1: number all the time. But they don't see and they

1625
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 1: refuse to recognize what is unseen, what that money could

1626
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 1: have been used for, and if anything else, regardless of

1627
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:26,919
Speaker 1: what it's used for. The overarching is it's all about you.

1628
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: You're the one who got to decide when they charge

1629
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 1: a tax, when a premium gets increased, These things that

1630
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 1: you have to have in life, in society, you lose

1631
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 1: your choices. And when you lose your choices, you know

1632
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:48,759
Speaker 1: what that leads to anger. That's reality. Our argument here

1633
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 1: has been going out to dinner. My theory is, and

1634
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 1: I say this about men. I do not know if

1635
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:02,800
Speaker 1: working women have this theory or not. I believe this

1636
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 1: about working men, and I welcome the feedback here, agree, disagree,

1637
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 1: Maybe you've got an add on to it, etc. When

1638
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 1: you cannot, as a man, as a father, as a husband,

1639
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 1: take your family out to dinner on a Friday night

1640
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 1: after a long week, I'm not talking about the most

1641
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:32,639
Speaker 1: expensive place in town. I'm talking about Texas Roadhouse. There

1642
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:36,080
Speaker 1: was I have nothing against Texas Roadhouse. My father, rest

1643
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 1: his soul, loved Texas Roadhouse. In his wallet after his

1644
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 1: passing was a gift card to Texas Roadhouse. I still

1645
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: have it somewhere. It's somewhere on my desk right now.

1646
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 1: There was a while there when you took a look

1647
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,720
Speaker 1: at the economics and you realize that quick serve was

1648
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 1: falling off, right. Quick serve restaurants were falling off because

1649
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 1: the price is gone up so much that they said, well,

1650
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: if I take my family of four too, I'll say Chipotle,

1651
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,760
Speaker 1: just to name a place not engaging in any type

1652
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 1: of accusatory language towards them. And the family of four

1653
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:13,719
Speaker 1: and everyone got a brito, and everybody got a drink,

1654
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:17,200
Speaker 1: and we got some extra guacamole, and that was, you know,

1655
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 1: forty five fifty bucks. Well, why don't we just go

1656
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,559
Speaker 1: to Texas Roadhouse and I can have a steak. Well,

1657
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 1: it's not a steak steake, no, I agree, but it

1658
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 1: is an eight ounce ribbi and there's gonna be roles,

1659
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have a salad, and someone's gonna film

1660
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:33,640
Speaker 1: my drink for me.

1661
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 2: I don't have to go get up and get my

1662
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 2: own refill.

1663
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:37,600
Speaker 1: And you know when I get to sit down and

1664
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 1: my wife gets to sit down, and I feel human.

1665
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:44,639
Speaker 1: And so they actually, you know, shifted up a little

1666
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 1: bit because they saw the quick service not having a value. Well,

1667
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 1: if the economics becomes so that the pricing is so

1668
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: great and the money, the three hundred dollars that we've

1669
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 1: been talking about is taken, that that guy after that

1670
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 1: week can't afford to take his family afford out to dinner,

1671
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 1: and just feel like, Okay, it's all worth it. Here's

1672
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 1: a bit of normal. Here's how I was able to

1673
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 1: treat my family. Here's how I was able to treat myself. See,

1674
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:16,639
Speaker 1: we're living in the American dream. We are getting somewhere.

1675
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 1: I can't afford this. I can't afford that. I can't

1676
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 1: afford to take my family out for a acceptable stake

1677
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 1: a burger. What am I working this hard for? You

1678
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:32,360
Speaker 1: know what? That leads to anger again.

1679
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:35,519
Speaker 2: I'll start. I'll continue now where I started.

1680
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,720
Speaker 1: The last thing I want is angry democrats, because when

1681
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:41,759
Speaker 1: democrats get angry, people get killed and they get violent.

1682
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 1: Cities burn.

1683
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 2: But let's all get with the program.

1684
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 1: When it comes to the anger that people are really experiencing,

1685
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 1: really feeling when it comes to costs, and yes, four

1686
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: years of Biden does and Democrats are gonna tell me, well,

1687
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:05,640
Speaker 1: this is all Trump's fault. Honey, cut that out. But

1688
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 1: I will say this on a part two conversation about tariffs.

1689
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 1: They don't help, at least they haven't helped yet. I'm

1690
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 1: Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. No, I cannot

1691
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: prove it. Yes, I absolutely believe that ilhan Omar, the

1692
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:26,760
Speaker 1: congresswoman from Minnesota one thousand percent, married her brother to

1693
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:29,960
Speaker 1: allow him to stay in the country and get him paperwork.

1694
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 2: I absolutely believe it.

1695
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 1: I always have, even before the Daily Mail put out

1696
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 1: the story, the exclusive that a Somali leader is saying, indeed,

1697
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:44,759
Speaker 1: you bet she married her brother. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today,

1698
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 1: good to be with you. I don't have the concrete proof.

1699
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:52,760
Speaker 1: I simply said I believe it. I make no accusation.

1700
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 1: I allow any investigation to go forward. And oh, by

1701
01:44:55,960 --> 01:45:00,839
Speaker 1: the way, there should be an investigation. Ilhan Omar certainly

1702
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 1: not with America's best interest at heart. I don't believe

1703
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:07,840
Speaker 1: she is somebody who believes in her oath, and I

1704
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 1: want her investigated in this connection to the Somali nationals

1705
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:16,840
Speaker 1: and the others who were involved in the fraud in

1706
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 1: Minnesota which could have cost billions of dollars, saying, oh,

1707
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 1: we're feeding children during COVID. How many are you feeding

1708
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:29,120
Speaker 1: eighteen thousand a day? That's impossible. You give us the

1709
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 1: money for eighteen thousand a day, or we'll call you racists.

1710
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 1: Here's your check. Please don't call us racists. We love you.

1711
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:39,559
Speaker 1: We can't find your country on a map, but we

1712
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 1: love you. That's the Minnesota government. So I was doing

1713
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 1: the impression of right there. It was pretty accurate. The

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Speaker 1: story is she was married, then got divorced, and then

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Speaker 1: married on the paper her brother to make sure he

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Speaker 1: had the papers to stay in.

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Speaker 2: The United States. Now do you go to jail for that?

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you go to jail for that. Do

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Speaker 1: you get thrown out of Congress for that? Absolutely? Should

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Speaker 1: be thrown out of Congress for that. Do I have

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Speaker 1: the proof? No, I don't have the proof. Do I

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Speaker 1: believe in an investigation? Absolutely? Do I believe the story

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Speaker 1: just as a matter of anecdotal ten thousand percent, because

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Speaker 1: there is nothing about ilhan Omar that I have seen

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Speaker 1: that shows me she is somebody of high standards. I

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Speaker 1: don't even see that she likes America. Find everything at

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Speaker 1: Tony kats dot com. Tomorrow, everyone, take care of