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Speaker 1: Lie from the heartland and the crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. So it's a big meeting.

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Speaker 2: I'm staring at the UH at the White House right now.

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Speaker 2: You have got everybody looking good, lots of military lining

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Speaker 2: the driveway, and the conversation will begin soon enough with

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Speaker 2: President Zelenski and President Trump and accompanying them all the

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Speaker 2: or not there's a piece deal, which I am convinced

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Speaker 3: Is that not it?

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Speaker 2: Because I'm pretty much convinced that that's exactly it.

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Find everything over at Tony kats dot com. So first

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Speaker 2: things first, this is the first meeting between Trump and

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Speaker 3: This isn't the first time they've seen each other since

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Speaker 2: Remember they were there at the Vatican and it was

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Speaker 2: that moment in the Oval where JD. Vance was talking

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Speaker 3: What are he out of your mind?

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Speaker 2: To which then Van said, well you could at least

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Speaker 3: What happened in that meeting, Well, we don't actually know.

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Speaker 2: We know that the conversation was we're gonna have a

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Speaker 3: So let's focus on a peace deal, shall we. It

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Speaker 2: Now, if you ask the left, nothing matters. Nothing matters

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Speaker 2: because they didn't get what they wanted. No way they

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Speaker 3: What they wanted was.

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Speaker 2: To be able to say, my gosh, Trump did this,

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Speaker 3: Failed at this. This is all they want, isn't that right?

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Speaker 2: Representative Eric Swalwell comes when your sense of where this

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Speaker 4: If you're europe you're quite worried now because you just

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Speaker 2: You were not hoping to hear anything. You didn't hope

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Speaker 3: These people are desperate.

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Speaker 3: First things first.

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Speaker 2: I if I if I was president, well then this

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Speaker 2: But for Trump to get the deal is what matters.

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Speaker 2: So these leaders are going to be arriving.

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Speaker 3: The meeting itself isn't a failure. Even though we heard

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Speaker 3: This is the This is the goal. Now.

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Speaker 2: The goal is the whole of Ukraine. We shouldn't think otherwise.

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Speaker 2: I believe the Europeans are going to say, without question,

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