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Speaker 1: CBS four and WXI in Fox fifty nine to break

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Speaker 1: down what happened with the Colts, and again I'll summarize

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Speaker 1: what I said earlier and then we'll let Chap kind

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Speaker 1: of opine from there. I know, it was a disappointing

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Speaker 1: all of you would have taken that. And you know,

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Speaker 1: eight days a week to quote the Beatles and Ady

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Speaker 1: Mitchell yesterday was Yes, he is the target that we're

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Speaker 1: lot of other things that did them in. You know,

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Speaker 1: eleven penalties did him in. The ten men on the

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Speaker 1: field did him in. The depleted secondary did them in.

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Speaker 1: And it's easy to say that that all falls on

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Speaker 1: the fault of eighty Mitchell, but at some point it

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Speaker 1: to be patient with him. And we knew that immaturity

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Speaker 1: and lack of focus were the reasons that he was

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Speaker 1: the eleventh receiver taken in the year that he was selected,

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Speaker 1: and that's the reason why we've had to wait and

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Speaker 1: not saying he's a bad guy, but as a player,

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Speaker 1: still an immature guy. But we'll see how he bounces

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Speaker 1: back from it. Mike Chappell joining us now on the program.

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Speaker 1: Chap your overall I guess thoughts are observations from yesterday

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Speaker 1: or a storyline perhaps that was overshadowed by Ady Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: Well, one quick takeaway is I'm really kind of encouraged

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Speaker 2: because I think there was some question about whether these

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Speaker 2: you know, Denver gave you the game, and you played

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Speaker 2: a crappy Miami team and Tennessee's the worst team in

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Speaker 2: the league that may not win a game. The Rams

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Speaker 2: are good, the Rams are very good, right, and you

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Speaker 2: just should have won the game. Should have would have

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Speaker 2: I really do. And chibah own Lord Liven, I thought

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Speaker 2: these guys could start six and two. I really did

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Speaker 2: if they got confident quarterback play, and they've gotten more

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Speaker 2: My goodness, that's the game was there for you, and

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Speaker 2: there were probably I don't know, five or six things.

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Speaker 3: That went wrong. There's no downplaying.

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Speaker 2: Mitchell's screw ups. It's fourteen points. It's fourteen points, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to explain. It's funny. Last year

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Speaker 2: in December, I think it was we're talking with Jonathan

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Speaker 2: I think, and I'm thinking, you know, I've seen I've

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Speaker 2: seen that sense, I don't know December, so you just

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Speaker 2: you just can't do that. And Jonathan Taylor wasn't celebrating.

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Speaker 2: He just dropped the football eighty Mitchell I think was

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Speaker 2: show Bolten was gonna put the ball out with his

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Speaker 2: right hand and all that. Yeah, it's one of those

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Speaker 2: like act like you've been there before. Well in the

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Speaker 2: NFL he hasn't been so uh. And then the holding

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Speaker 2: touchdown was with like two minutes to play, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: the Rams might have tied up. I don't know so,

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Speaker 2: but dam like you, like you said, somebody tell me

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Speaker 2: why you've got Xavian Howard.

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Speaker 3: On Poka tua I.

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Speaker 2: The object is to take away the other team's best player,

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Speaker 2: the other team's best players in the kua and you

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Speaker 2: put Xavier Howard on him, and he hasn't played well

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I guess if they put Mooney Ward.

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Speaker 3: What's that about?

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Speaker 2: So it was just incredible mistakes and you're still right there.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to how they they react with two things

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Speaker 2: This kid's gonna be a great place. He's great talent.

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Speaker 1: The catch was incredible, it looked there has never let

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Speaker 1: let me tell you something, you remember Bo Jackson? Right, sure,

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Speaker 1: I've always felt like Bo Jackson. And probably the most

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Speaker 1: I've always said that that perfectly encapsulated him because just

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Speaker 1: he disappeared. And it was the perfect synopsis of a

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Speaker 1: perfect synopsis of Ady Mitchell because we were we saw

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Speaker 1: why we've been told to be so patient, and then

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Speaker 1: made a knucklehead play all in one fell swoop, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was the perfect synopsis. The question for

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Speaker 1: And do we know? Do we have enough body of

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Speaker 2: boy football. It's it's your profession, and they preach accountability.

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Speaker 2: That that's what the change stick says.

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Speaker 3: Well it starts with me. Okay, but but you're.

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Speaker 2: Not out there dropping the ball at the one yard line.

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Speaker 2: more of Ashton Doolan? You just do so, I I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I'm more curious how the team responds than

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Speaker 2: Xavian Howard. How he responds. He's just he's not playing well, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Chap in terms of the way the team responded

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Speaker 1: I get it, and they said the right things, and

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones Andsire Franklin what they had to say.

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Speaker 1: But is there a fine line in the NFL between

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Speaker 2: Oh we see, yeah, yeah, we've seen that a quarterback

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Speaker 2: here last couple of years. Yeah, there is. Don't talk

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Speaker 2: chance for us to see what their accountability level is. Again,

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Speaker 2: I want to say at two spots, because Zavian Howard

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Speaker 2: really good point. And your tolerance level for coddling goes

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Speaker 2: now a d. Mitchell doesn't have much in the bank.

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Speaker 3: To keep saying, well, you know, patient, no, you.

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Speaker 2: Only play seventeen games. It's a long season.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: You play seventeen games, and you know, things even out

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Speaker 3: These guys in January, the.

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Speaker 2: back against the Raiders who showed you what they can

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Speaker 2: be yesterday. But this is still a good team. But

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Speaker 1: Are we burying the lead though, in the fact that

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Speaker 1: The Dean of coult Riders. We were so focused on

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Speaker 2: No question, I don't know. I can't buy them, sort

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Speaker 2: then you've got fans. Jake, I mean, they got coaches everywhere,

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Speaker 2: and somebody is responsible for getting the right guys out there.

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Speaker 1: Did you say that I have fans? Is that what

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Speaker 1: you said that I have fans? I said, because because

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Speaker 1: that would be listen, Chap, your grandson's basketball team at

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Speaker 2: Right well, that would be that that would be the

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: But they've got people that they got people to do that.

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Speaker 2: I mean to make sure you've got the right the

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Speaker 2: Maybe it wouldn't have mattered because uh, blackman fell down

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Speaker 2: to have you know, like like Mindam said ten verses eleven.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna lose. You're gonna lose, and you.

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Speaker 2: Just know that when a guy's open like that, Matthew

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Speaker 2: him astride. So that's how I say that. There were

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Speaker 2: so many mistakes from a team that for the first

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Speaker 1: You know the thing, Chap, that's encouraging because you know,

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Speaker 2: It just is. And they've gotten very, very good play

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Speaker 6: because that was week one, right, Chap, so he had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you're right.

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Speaker 2: Make somebody the Nico Collins beach you and I just

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Speaker 2: I realized I'm not a football savant, but I just

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Speaker 1: Mike Chapel, our guest, chap let's go to this when

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Speaker 2: Uh, he just keep finding different ways to use him,

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Speaker 2: Moving Forward're not gonna see the loving penalties moving forward.

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Speaker 1: You know what's funny, Chap. I mean, you know you've

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Speaker 8: don't know? I understand Tyler Warren takes away a lot

436
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Speaker 8: of the things that you know, Josh Downs likes to do,

437
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Speaker 8: but they just seemingly have not been able to get

438
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Speaker 8: him going. And I think yesterday was the lowest snapcount

439
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Speaker 8: of the season. Despite no Alan Krusher downs.

440
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Speaker 2: No Tyler Warton, no Tyler Warren, takes away a lot

441
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Speaker 2: of Josh downs. He does he does. Having said that,

442
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: Josh Downs needs to be more involved, and that's why

443
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce is sort of the ideal guy to be

444
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: in this receiver rotation, because I think it's an amazing

445
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: thing about Alec Pears is how unselfish externally he is.

446
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Speaker 3: Now he may boil.

447
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 2: Inside, but he seems like he's just fine getting four

448
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: targets and three catches because he's gonna make a couple

449
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: of big plays, and I think that's very rare for

450
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Speaker 2: a receiver, it really is. But they need to get

451
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Speaker 2: Downs again. The fact that people need to remember Josh

452
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: Downs had had more catches in his first two years

453
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Speaker 2: than any player in franchise history, and this franchise has

454
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Speaker 2: had some pretty good receivers, so they need to get

455
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: in more involved. He's the guy that I think has

456
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 2: to be frustrated by his his lack of involvement. But

457
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: it's hard to do that when you're three and one

458
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: and whenever they go to him, it's like thirty and

459
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: seven and he gets you eight or more. Uh, he's

460
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Speaker 2: the one that they need to find more targets.

461
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Speaker 4: But dog gone.

462
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of us talked in the offseason

463
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Speaker 2: that Tyler Warren's going to get a lot of that stuff,

464
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Speaker 2: and there are you know, they put Michael Pittman's off

465
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Speaker 2: to a good start and so jt. So if there

466
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Speaker 2: are only so many targets in a game, I don't

467
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Speaker 2: think they want to throw the ball forty times a

468
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Speaker 2: game or whatever. What did Jones with the twenty three

469
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: or thirty four? That's probably a few too many for them.

470
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Speaker 2: But yeah, Josh Stawns is a guy that they've got

471
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Speaker 2: to find a way to get more involved.

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Speaker 4: I agree with that.

473
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Speaker 2: You know.

474
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Speaker 1: The again, the funny thing about it, to put a

475
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Speaker 1: tie on all of the chap is the fact that

476
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Speaker 1: they're three and one. And if I would have told

477
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Speaker 1: you when I was handing you a Beatles shirt back

478
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Speaker 1: at camp that they were going to start out three

479
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Speaker 1: and one and that we would be nitpicking like two

480
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Speaker 1: boneheaded plays to cost that, you would have said, sign

481
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,239
Speaker 1: me up all day long, right, sign me up all

482
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Speaker 1: day long for that good question.

483
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Speaker 2: It's all about you know. They always break down the

484
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 2: season into quarters without screwy seventeenth game. You're three and one.

485
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Speaker 2: I mean you're telling me you wouldn't take that back

486
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Speaker 2: in August like you said you would.

487
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Speaker 5: Uh.

488
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Speaker 2: I would much rather be three and one, no one.

489
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Speaker 2: I've got things to fix than being oh and for

490
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Speaker 2: and say, man, do how do we fix this? Because

491
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: the things that were messed up yesterday are fixable.

492
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Speaker 3: I I and I'm.

493
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Speaker 2: Curious how they how they go about trying to fix them.

494
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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: That's again the next couple of days.

496
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Speaker 3: I want to hear what we get changed stacking later.

497
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Speaker 2: I don't know that he's gonna give us a lot

498
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: just because he wants to see the tape, and that's

499
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: that's what coaches do. They're not going to really dive

500
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Speaker 2: deep into it. I think I think Loue will give

501
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: us some insight on what the heck's going on and

502
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Speaker 2: how personnel wise. Personnel wise, you're not gonna be able

503
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Speaker 2: to address it until you get a couple of these.

504
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Speaker 1: Guys back twenty four of thirty three yesterday Daniel Jones

505
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Speaker 1: two sixty two with a touch and two picks, we

506
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Speaker 1: will come from Daniel Jones.

507
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: Thirty three patches are okay, I can deal with that. Yeah,

508
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: I see John Davin get a few more carries, but

509
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: that's just me.

510
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: Taylor seventeen for seventy six. Well, here from Daniel Jones.

511
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Speaker 1: We'll let you know what he had to say coming

512
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: up in just a couple of minutes. Chap appreciate the time.

513
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: As always, Thank you you guys being well.

514
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: Mike Chapel, CBS four and WXA and Fox fifty nine.

515
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: It is Pacers Media Day, meaning that we are on

516
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: the cusp of another Pacer season and a guy that

517
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,239
Speaker 1: is entering his fourth year in Indiana, he just hit

518
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: another three point shot against the New York Knicks. Aaron

519
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: Nee Smith joins us on the program aeron how are you?

520
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 4: I'm doing good? How you guys doing?

521
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: We are well? Thank you listen. It is and this

522
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: is a good thing, you know. It's a good thing

523
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: to have the off season be so short because it

524
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: means that your regular season went so long. But for you,

525
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: I am curious from a player's standpoint, with the way

526
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: everything went last year, did and as deep as you

527
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: guys got, did it cause for acceleration of let's get going?

528
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: Or is the body still needing more time?

529
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 4: Actually?

530
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Speaker 5: I feel like I took the proper amount of time

531
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Speaker 5: off like normally I take, like the amount of normal

532
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 5: time I take off on the summer. I just added

533
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 5: a week to it, just since we played so far

534
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 5: into the season. And then when I started hooping again

535
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 5: and working out again, I just scramped it up a

536
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 5: little bit quicker than normal.

537
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Speaker 4: So it all worked.

538
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: Out, you know, it was it was such a magical

539
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 1: run and you know everything that went with it, and

540
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: then obviously the way it ended with you know, just

541
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: and that Game seven will replay that in our heads

542
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: for a long time and wondering of the what ifs.

543
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: But from a player's standpoint, I'm curious, what is the

544
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: mindset now of understanding the excitement that comes with that,

545
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: but also the reality of what the year is ahead,

546
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: and then waiting of course to have kind of everything

547
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: back in the arsenal.

548
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 4: Uh, you got to turn the page. You know, it's

549
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 4: a brand new season.

550
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 5: You know there's gonna be a new champion crown at

551
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 5: the end of this year, and you know you gotta

552
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 5: start working from that today. It all starts tomorrow and

553
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 5: training camp and you know you can just all you

554
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 5: could take is really.

555
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 7: The lessons you learned from last.

556
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 5: Season, you know, the trials and tribulations, to ups and

557
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 5: downs and try and have a better start this year

558
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 5: and you know, get the ground running.

559
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: You know with the you know, obviously with Tyree's out

560
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: for the year and Miles now in Milwaukee, does does

561
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: your role change in terms of obviously we know what

562
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: your position is and you know the starting situation, but

563
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: in terms of what you need to bring do you

564
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: have to diversify your game at all?

565
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody's got to take a little step up. Everybody's

566
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 5: going to do a little bit more, but it's going

567
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 5: to be done by committee. You know, five people on

568
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 5: the court at one time, so everybody's gonna have to

569
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 5: take a little step up in their production and what's

570
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 5: asking them. But you know we're all getting done.

571
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: Who what teammate is the one that most intrigues you

572
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: in terms of what you might see from them this year?

573
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Speaker 5: I believe I think Jerris Jaris Walker has a real

574
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 5: chance to take a leap this year.

575
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 7: And you know, he has all the tools.

576
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 5: And I talked to him about you know, what he

577
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 5: did this summer and how much he worked and how

578
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 5: much he prepared for this season.

579
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Speaker 7: I think he's ready for the challenge as ahead of him.

580
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Speaker 1: Aaron Nesmith is our guest as the pacers resume, and

581
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Speaker 1: we'll get underway, get everything going here before we know it.

582
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Speaker 1: And with that, Aaron, when you talk about Jaris Walker,

583
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Speaker 1: you know your situation being a guy that was in Boston,

584
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: got you know, buried a little bit there, and then

585
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: as soon as you got your chance here you really

586
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: did flourish. What sort of things can you tell young

587
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: players about that and about seizing that opportunity? And are

588
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: you the type that would go to them and say, hey,

589
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: let me tell you what I went through and what

590
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: worked for me.

591
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean him, man, when he first got here,

592
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 5: I told him he was in a similar situation I

593
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 5: was in Boston, just guys in front of him, not

594
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 5: a big opportunity to play. But always stay ready, to

595
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 5: be ready because you never know when your name is

596
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 5: going to be called. And whenever you get your opportunity.

597
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 7: You know, people say, look is.

598
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 5: When preparation meets opportunity. And I believe he's prepared for

599
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 5: it properly and he's going to be ready.

600
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Speaker 1: By the way, do you believe in the zone like

601
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: when people say that athletes get in the zone and

602
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, You remember Jordan said, like the

603
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: rim becomes like a big old bucket, right, do you

604
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: believe in the zone?

605
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 4: Oh?

606
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's real. Called it like the flow state.

607
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: Okay, so the flow state is what it's known as. Now, okay,

608
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Speaker 1: Now the reason I ask and I think that with

609
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Speaker 1: everything that took place in all of the excitement of

610
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: the miraculous finishes that you guys had and getting to

611
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: the finals and all of that, historically, I worry that

612
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: perhaps we're going to forget about being in the flow

613
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: state like you were against New York where you you

614
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: in that zone in that game?

615
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there's nothing like that. That's that's I always say.

616
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 5: You know, all the work you put in the early mornings,

617
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 5: every left, every extra shot you take after practice, before practice,

618
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 5: it's for those moments, like you do all of that

619
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 5: so that when you do enter that state, it's just

620
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 5: all rhythm. You lean on the work that you put

621
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 5: in and it just literally feels like you're floating. You're

622
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 5: just vibing.

623
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Speaker 1: Well, you were, I no question about it, right, And

624
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: you know do you You're an interesting one to me

625
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: erin because your three point shot it almost seems like

626
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: sometimes you're more in that flow state, if you will,

627
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: when it's accelerated, and that you know, wide receivers often

628
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: say in football that the hardest pass to catch is

629
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: the one where they're wide open. Is the same thing

630
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: true as an outside shooter? It is it more a

631
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: rhythm thing if you're wide open and you've got time

632
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: to square up, does it almost then become more of.

633
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 7: A challenge.

634
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 5: A little bit because you have more time to think

635
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 5: you're not you know, you're not in the rhythm of

636
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 5: your jump shot. And I think, you know, all my life,

637
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 5: I've always been such a great shooter that nobody leaves

638
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 5: me open and so more times and I'm more used

639
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 5: to having somebody sprint at me full speed trying to

640
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 5: keep me from.

641
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 7: Shooting the ball post just letting me shoot it so

642
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 7: I see it more.

643
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Speaker 1: By the way, were you surprised by the Miles Turner decision?

644
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Speaker 7: I was.

645
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: Did you guys speak to him? I mean, is he

646
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, how does that work in professional sports? Your teammates,

647
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: but I assume you're also friends, So how does that

648
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: work once that all goes down?

649
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

650
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Speaker 5: He sent, you know, the mentions to the group chat

651
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Speaker 5: about his decision and why he made it, and you know,

652
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Speaker 5: I'm I'm also I'm just the type of guy that

653
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 5: you know, I wish him nothing but the best. He

654
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 5: did well, he thought it was right for him and

655
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Speaker 5: his family, and we'll see him when he played Milwaukee.

656
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Speaker 5: You know, I'll give him a big hug at half court.

657
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 5: But you know, once the game starts, you know.

658
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 4: I gotta win the game.

659
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: Did he say what the reason was?

660
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 7: That's him, that's for him, that's for him to speak on.

661
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: See, I was in the flow state there. I had

662
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: to ask right right, gotta, hey, what did you do

663
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: in the off season? Because for fans, you know, I

664
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: think we all basked in the glory of what the

665
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: run was, but then there was also the what could

666
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: have been?

667
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 4: Right?

668
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: But for you guys, as players, what did you do

669
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: to kind of get away, clear your head, reset the

670
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: table in the off season?

671
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 5: You know, I think I spend proper amount of time

672
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 5: reflecting on, you know, what we just did and what

673
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 5: just happened. And I tried to turn the page as

674
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 5: quickly as possible. At the same time, so I tried

675
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 5: to have fun and you know, get my mind off

676
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 5: the loss. And but at the same I appreciate it

677
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 5: and understand what we did was special for our city,

678
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 5: you know, for each of us as an individual. We

679
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 5: just accomplished so many different things this year. And you know,

680
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 5: I've had so many people come up to me and

681
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 5: just say, You've made me an NBA fan again. And

682
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 5: so it's a little things like that that kind of,

683
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 5: you know, make me feel really good about how far

684
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 5: we made it.

685
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: You know, when they had your the image of you

686
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: on the Arts Garden down here downtown with the huge

687
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: thing that said finals and like, you know, a four

688
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: story high photo of yourself, I would have like taken

689
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty pictures of that if it were me.

690
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: Did you do that?

691
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 5: No, I'm sure my family did, though I kept I

692
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 5: try to bookmark as many things as I can, just

693
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 5: because I know later in life I'm officely gonna want

694
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 5: to look back at them, but I let my family

695
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 5: do all the picture take it.

696
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: Have you gotten a chance to enjoy or watch the

697
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: Fever run I have.

698
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 7: I have.

699
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: I haven't been able to make it to a game yet,

700
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 4: but I have been keeping up.

701
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: Do you guys feed off one another? You know, I

702
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: realize your seasons are different obviously, but and your facilities

703
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: will soon be completely different. But do you get a

704
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: chance to kind of interact with one another or you know,

705
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: at different events things representing the franchise.

706
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 5: Times sometimes not too much, just because we said our

707
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 5: teams are, you know, at different times, and a lot

708
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 5: of times during our season they're playing overseas or they're

709
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 5: playing in the different leagues and such, so they're not

710
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 5: always around. But there's always, like usually this period right here,

711
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 5: there's always a gap and where we'll do events together,

712
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 5: we'll see each other and they always come to our games,

713
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 5: you know, we go to their games, so we do.

714
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 7: We do mix it up a good bit.

715
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: And lastly, you're an interesting one because you grew up

716
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: in South Carolina. Aaron Ne Smith our guest. When you

717
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: were a kid growing up, did you have an NFL team?

718
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: Would it have been the Atlanta Falcons or.

719
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 5: Carolina Unfortunately, as of right now it's the Carolina Manthers.

720
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 5: I'll never slitted up, but yeah, it's real dark for us, right.

721
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: I would say yes, in fact, that would be the case.

722
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 6: Stety and you guys obviously we've talked about I've lost

723
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 6: Miles Turner no, Tyre's Halliburton for you guys this year,

724
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 6: who has to step up in the leadership role because

725
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 6: those are those were two big voices for you guys

726
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 6: throughout the course the last season.

727
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, we're gonna have to do it by committee,

728
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 5: and I think everybody in here understands what's going to

729
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 5: be asked to them.

730
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 7: Everybody in here understands that we're everybody's got to.

731
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: Do a little bit more.

732
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 5: And I think everybody as much as like we as

733
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 5: far as it made it and we came up short.

734
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 5: I think the culmination of Tyrisks being out and Miles leaving,

735
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 5: everybody had.

736
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 7: Proper motivation this summer, eat to work and to get better.

737
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 7: And I think we have a.

738
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 5: Pretty special group of guys to where we use different things.

739
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 5: It's fuel and motivation, and I think those those the

740
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 5: combination of both of those happening so close to each other,

741
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 5: like we're.

742
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 7: Able to turn the page on the loss really quickly

743
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 7: and get to work.

744
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: Will it be an adjustment in terms of stylistically, because

745
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: I think you know, it's been stated obviously that you

746
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: guys will not be playing as fast now at least

747
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: for this season, and maybe you do go a little

748
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: bit more half court set or ISO set. Will that

749
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: be an adjustment?

750
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 5: I think, I mean, we're gonna play the same way

751
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 5: we've been playing, where you're gonna have to continue to

752
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 5: do that as a team, and you know, one man

753
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 5: are our main guys out, but we've been doing it.

754
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 7: For so long that we we can't.

755
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 5: We don't know any other way to play except for

756
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 5: fast picking up full court and you know, being a pest.

757
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 5: So we're gonna do it again.

758
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: It is kind of weird though, Like for me, it

759
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: just aaron like I was. It was so much fun

760
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying it's not gonna be this year,

761
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: and I think that the Pacers are going to be

762
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: probably better than people are giving credit, right But but

763
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: at the same time, I have to keep reminding myself

764
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: that the roster will look different for the interim than

765
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: it did a year ago. You are one of those

766
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: players on that roster, do you have to also remind

767
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: yourself of that.

768
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 5: I've kind of, I mean, I've had to remind myself

769
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 5: it's gonna look a little different, you know, to start

770
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 5: the season. And I think we, like, especially in training camp,

771
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 5: like we're gonna have to relearn a couple of things

772
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 5: and recommit to a couple of things. And I think

773
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 5: once we get past that hurdle, it'll be easy flowing again.

774
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 5: But there will be a learning curve obviously, and there's

775
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 5: gonna be ups and downs, because you know, we're so

776
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: used to playing a certain way and with Tyree's being down, like,

777
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 5: we're gonna have to learn different things.

778
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: So you know, all that will come with time and repetition.

779
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, so i'd lied, but I said lastly last time.

780
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: But we talked to you. The last time I talked

781
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: to you, you had mentioned that the most recent book

782
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: you had finished was Unbroken, which is a fabulous, fabulous

783
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: book about Louise Mperini. I'm curious the last book now

784
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: that you read.

785
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 7: I've actually read.

786
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 5: I actually read a couple of books, and I read,

787
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 5: oh man, it's like a it's it's like an overthinking book.

788
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 4: But it was called some like the Keto over thing.

789
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 4: I can't remember what it was called.

790
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 5: I read that last year. And then I read a

791
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 5: fancy book called uh probably, I don't know why I'm

792
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 5: blanket on it. It's like a three I read three books.

793
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 5: I read four books. I read this overthinking book. I

794
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 5: read one hundred Laws of Power, and then I read

795
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 5: this series.

796
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: For what it's worth. By the way, I'm guilty of

797
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: one hundred ways to overthink.

798
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 7: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

799
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: That's that sounds like that sounds like my biography, you

800
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: know that, right?

801
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

802
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 6: Aaron Jake ridicules me from time to time on this show,

803
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 6: and one of the reasons why I'm not a big traveler.

804
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 6: I've never traveled outside of the United States. And I

805
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 6: know you like to go to Japan. Did you go

806
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 6: to Japan during the off season? And if you didn't,

807
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 6: did you go somewhere else?

808
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 4: I went to Costa Rica.

809
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 7: The book was called Fourth Wing, Fourth.

810
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 4: Wing, Fourth Wing? Okay, hang on, yeah, but.

811
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Speaker 5: No, I went to Costa Rica this summer by I

812
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 5: went golfmen out there.

813
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 7: Nice. Nice.

814
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: I've asked you this, perhaps before you grew up in

815
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: South Carolina, carol on it or Clemson neither, Well, I

816
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: guess Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt having a good day. Actually, listen, I'm

817
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: a Clemson football fan, so I can I can relate

818
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: to your Carolina panther misery.

819
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, so yeah, I was watching uh.

820
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 5: I was watching the Syracuse game with my guy the

821
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 5: other week and he was he was down bed.

822
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: Was not good. Trust me. They were guilty of overthinking.

823
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: Is exactly what happened. Yeah right, they were not in

824
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: the flow state. I can tell you right now.

825
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 7: That's right, drops, that's they're right.

826
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: Aaron listen. I appreciate the time. As always, we look

827
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: forward to the season. I think it's going to be

828
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: a lot of fun and it's always fun to watch

829
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: you man. We would love to have you back on

830
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: the program anytime, but we certainly wish you the best

831
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: in getting things underway.

832
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 7: I appreciate it you.

833
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: Aaron Ne Smith getting set for year number four with

834
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: the Pacers