1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: We have back. It is Colt's corner with myself, Kevin Bowen, 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: and now thirty two teams into the offseason, Eddie Garrison 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: is across the way. Super Bowl is complete. Dud absolutely, 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: absolutely should we appreciate defensive football more? 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: I think so that was just a domination. I have 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: Mike McDonald's crew. 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: By it was say the least, Yeah, that unit deserves 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: the MVP. Then maybe both kickers, give it to Jason 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Myers and Michael Dixon and then give it to Kenneth 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: Walker after that. So yeah, Seattle's defense just and really 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: you look at their front seven, Eddie, five of the 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: seven guys I think have already been on another team. 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: It's impressive, you know, kind of the makeup of that 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: group as well. So today's podcast will focus on a 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: little bit Hall of Fame right out of the gate, 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: just because it's timely. And then we really do these 17 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: every February. We get into the back to back pods 18 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: where we do evaluations of the GM and the head 19 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: coach and so the good and the bad, and we 20 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: want to fell on both of that are wins and losses. 21 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: Everyone to look at it from Chris Ballard will do 22 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: this week and then we'll do Shane's syching next week. 23 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: And you know, Eddie, it's kind of wild. Two weeks 24 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: from tomorrow we're at the Combine. Yeah, you know, it's 25 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: just crazy. Yeah, we're gonna get there, and I'm kind 26 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: of ready for it, you know. I feel like the 27 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: Colts had one of the quieter offseasons really of any team. 28 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: And I want to say the franchise tag window opens 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: up a week from tomorrow. I saw some reporting out 30 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: there George Pickens is likely to be tagged. I believe 31 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: Schefter had that, and I find that interesting because Alec 32 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: Pierce is probably the top wide out that could hit 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: the open market if indeed Pickens gets tagged. So just 34 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: some things that you know, we always keep an eye 35 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 1: on around this time of year, but anything Super Bowl 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: related before we get into Adam Vantari and no Reggie Wayne. 37 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: I don't know how to view how the Colts played 38 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: Seattle in Seattle after watching that Super Bowl, because I 39 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: mean it was right after Philip Rivers came off the 40 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: couch and you know, the Colts had someone but success 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: on steming the Seattle offense, and then last night you 42 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: have to wonder, like if Jackson Smith and Jigba is 43 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: fully healthy during that game and he does an exit 44 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: with you know, getting tested for the concussion that foot issue. 45 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: Like the Seattle's offense look put up more than what 46 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: they did if Sam Donald doesn't look like a pumpkin 47 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 2: in the first half. And like the other thing too, 48 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: is we can talk about this for a little bit. 49 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: It's just how far off the Colts are in comparison 50 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: to Seattle, because when you watch the Seahawks, they were 51 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: winning at the line of scrimmage. Defensively, We're just bringing 52 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: four guys and then all of a sudden they start, 53 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: you know, bringing the exotic blitzes. You bring Devin Witherspoon 54 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: on numerous blitzes and New England had no answers to 55 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: pick it up, and their coverage was just absolutely sticky 56 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: and not giving Drake May a lot of windows to 57 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: throw the ball. And when you marry the two together, 58 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: you get the result like they did yesterday, where you're 59 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: forcing New England pass, taking the run out of it 60 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: because you stop the run and you just dominate the 61 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: way that they the way that they did on that 62 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: side of the ball. 63 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when you get into these like Hey, 64 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: we played the team in the Super Bowl during the 65 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: regular season, you know, like, you know, is that an 66 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: indicator of who we are? Is it not an indicator? 67 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: You know? I feel like I've always kind of said 68 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: this and even said this starting the Cults start to 69 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: the season. The seventeen week NFL grind is insane. Yeah, 70 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: it like one hundred and sixty two games in baseball, 71 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: you feel like you probably have different iterations. I feel 72 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: like the same thing is true in the NFL over 73 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: seventeen weeks. Yea, even though the sheer number isn't you know, 74 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: the same as obviously one hundred and sixty two. And 75 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: obviously in that game, the Colts probably got one of 76 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: their best defensive performances, if not their best of the 77 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: entire season until the final drive. And that's kind of 78 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: the outliers where I would go with you know, that 79 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: to me is the difference. And you know we've done 80 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: this before. I mean, the Colts beat the Kansas City 81 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: Chiefs in twenty twenty two, right, and the Colts won 82 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: four games that year, you know, so it's like, you know, 83 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: there can be I think outlier performances over the course 84 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: of an NFL season for great teams and for bad teams. 85 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: You know, you can have the surprise win here or there. 86 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: It's more of, you know, consistently, are you stringing things together? 87 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: And what did we find out about the Colts based 88 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: off that Seattle game? That defensive performance was the fluke? 89 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: You know when you look back on that game in 90 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: mid December, and you know, one thing I was thinking 91 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: about on the way in this morning. You know, when 92 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: I think back to quarterbacks running for their lives in 93 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, I think of Mahomes against the Buccaneers. Yeah, 94 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: and I saw a stat where Seattle had double the 95 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: amount of pressure on Drake May last night than Tampa 96 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: Bay had on Patrick Mahomes in that Super Bowl. I 97 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: mean that to me is. 98 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: Like whoa, whoa? 99 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: You know, And you know, I thought Drake May when 100 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: he had opportunities like they had that third and on 101 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: one in the third quarter where you know there was 102 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: still whatever, nine nothing, twelve nothing game, I mean, hell 103 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: was twelve nothing until the start of the fourth quarter 104 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: like that, I mean, you're only one score away from 105 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: making interesting. And you know he missed that. Boy, if 106 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: I were him, I'd be playing up the shoulder injury. 107 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's you know, saw he admitted 108 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: after the game. He got an injection before the game started. 109 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: But I thought he missed some layups for him, Yeah, 110 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: when he had some opportunities as well. Should we get 111 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame stuff? 112 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was waiting for you to wrap up and 113 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: then you're gonna make that transition. Adam VINITII or as 114 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: I forget who the announcer was, Vinatieri. I used to 115 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: call him back in the day. It's chosen into the 116 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame. Reggie Wayne did not make 117 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: the final cut. Didn't even make the final ten according 118 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: to Mike Chappell. Who would know, because Mike Chappell from 119 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: CBS four and Fox fifty nine here in Indianapolis is 120 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame voter, Kevin. Your thoughts on Vinitarry 121 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: making it into the Hall of Fame and year number 122 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: two of being on the and Reggie Wayne once again 123 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: being left out. 124 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's start with Vinitary beyond deserved. I thought he 125 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: was the first ballot deserved. First off, most points scored, 126 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: most field goal was made, and then the clutch. You know, 127 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: when you have the double aspect of it as a kicker. 128 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: I think that's what stands out, Like, I don't know 129 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: if I'm giving Jason Meyers MVP for last night. Don't 130 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: get me wrong, he obviously made kicks are important. The 131 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: furthest kick was forty one yards, and did he have 132 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: one meaningful kick in terms of like end of half, 133 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: end of game, you know, right for the two in 134 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: a warning, Not totally. His fault would have given the 135 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: MVP to the whole defense, which I don't think you're 136 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: allowed to do. But whatever, So that's what I think 137 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: it really stands out about Venetary's career. 138 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: Though blanket bowing back at it, Huh what blanket bowing 139 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 2: back at it? 140 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: The longevity of Vanitari's career, you know, it's funny. I 141 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 1: think the hardest kick he made. A lot of people 142 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: point to the tuck rule game. Do you remember the 143 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: Snow game with Buffalo in twenty seventeen, Yeah, I do. 144 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: He made an extra point late in that game to 145 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: force it into overtime, and I think he I don't 146 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: know if he said that directly. I feel like that's 147 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: the best kick he's ever made, considering the snow was 148 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: like falling falling at that aspect of the game there, 149 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: so I was pleasantly surprised that they put four in. 150 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: I was a little nervous. Breeze and Fitzgerald would eat 151 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: up so much of the vote. I didn't know if 152 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: they'd have room for two more, but they did with 153 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: Luke Keikley Invanitary. You know, as far as Reggie Wayne 154 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: is concerned, I don't Eddie, I don't know when he 155 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: gets in. I mean, I hopped on your Guys show 156 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: on Friday, and you know, Jake Querry did the very 157 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: Jake Querry question of you know, how old will Rosie 158 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: bowen Bee when Reggie Wayne gets into the Hall of Fame, 159 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: and I was like, damn, that's that's a good question. 160 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: Hell I'm a little nervous. I'll be thinking about it. 161 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: Were driving at that point. I just you know, you 162 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: broke it down. So basically, you get to fifteen finalists, 163 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: then you cut that fifteen to ten, then you cut 164 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,239 Speaker 1: that ten seven, and then you cut seven to five 165 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: or excuse me, you cut seven to the class. I 166 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: should say class is a four man modern era class. 167 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: This year, he's not at seven and he wasn't at ten, 168 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: and I think in that room, Tory Holt is viewed 169 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: above him. And look at next year's class, Gronk, Adrian Peterson, 170 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: and big Ben. Right, are they all three first ballots? 171 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: I don't think all three. 172 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: Probably two. So you know, again, like is Tory Holt 173 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: in the next year because I view I don't view him, 174 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: to be clear, I view the room views Tory Holt 175 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: as above Reggie Wayne. And I know that Peter King 176 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: clip was going really viral last week, and you know, 177 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: to kind of use the Peter King example, and to 178 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: be fair to Peter King, I think there's a lot 179 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: of people in the room that feel that way about 180 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: reggu Wayne. They just don't say it as publicly as 181 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: he did. Right, Like first off, he brought up like 182 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: the highlight reel at one point, and I'm like, I'm sorry, 183 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: but this is not a Sports Center top ten. Yeah, Like, no, 184 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: it's about raw numbers and whether you want to throw 185 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: in longevity, whether you want to throw in kind of 186 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: the clutches aspect of these athletes, whether you want to 187 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: throw in team awards. That's all fine and well, but 188 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: to me, like it's not just a bunch of Calvin 189 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: Johnson's to make highlight or Odell Beckham that just makes 190 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: a bunch of one handed grabs, Like I don't need 191 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: to see that in a Hall of Famer. And if 192 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: you really want to get technical with Reggie, like go 193 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: pop in the Orange Glove game, where against a Hall 194 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: of Famer in Charles Woodson, he does that. Or go 195 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: back to fourth and two in the two thousand and 196 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: nine season, one of the biggest regular season games in 197 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: NFL history, and who makes a game winning touchdown after 198 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: the Colts get the stop on fourth and two. It's Reggie. 199 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: And that was not some easy catch by anything. It 200 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: wasn't the Super Bowl touchdown that he had. And you know, 201 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: if you want to look at life with Marv and 202 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: Peyton versus without, you know, Marvin got hurt in that 203 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: two thousand and it was your seven or eight season, Eddie. 204 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: He was limited to like four or five games, and 205 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: Reggie led the league in yards without having that sidekick, Right. 206 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: I just you know that those aspects to his game 207 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: I think are just being really overlooked in it. But 208 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: having said all that and whatever vouching for him, I 209 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: don't get the impression that he's going to that Hall 210 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: of Fame anytime soon. And wide receiver unlike Frank Gore 211 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: at running back, Eddie, we're going to just have better 212 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: wide out resumes because that position is going to continue 213 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: to grow the county numbers with those stats. Whereas running back, 214 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get that. I mean, sure, you're gonna 215 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: have your Derrick Henrys and you know, we'll see what 216 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: happens with Jonathan Taylor and Saquon Barkley when it's all 217 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: said and done. But you're not going to get that 218 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: as much at the running back position as you are 219 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: at wideout. So those are just some Hall of Fame thoughts. 220 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 2: The other thing that I would say, too, is that 221 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: you're penalizing a player for a situation he hadn't. No, like, 222 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 2: say on like, you're gonna penalize Reggie Wayne just because 223 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: they had Peyton banning, Like, it's not I don't think 224 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: it's necessarily Reggie's fault. He didn't have any you know, 225 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: opinion on where he got drafted. 226 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: No, and again, okay, if you really want to nitpick that, 227 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: what happened in twenty twelve and Payton, you know, and 228 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: Andrew lux rookie season, Marvin's gone, Peyton's gone. You know, again, 229 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: if you want to play the Marvin card. Okay, what 230 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: happens when he gets hurt in that two thousand and 231 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: seven or eight season there. So that's where I would 232 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: just disagree with it. I'm not a big believer and like, well, 233 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: if you waited long, then you should jump the line. 234 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, to me, you're either a Hall of 235 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: Famer or you're not. So I don't want to rant 236 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: and rape too much more about it, but I wanted 237 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: to make sure that we stuck that and shout out 238 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: to Adam Military obviously beyond deserving again to me, should 239 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: have been a first bout Hall of Famer. But nonetheless, 240 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: cool seaman. It looked very zions old daddy. That's right 241 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: on the field. Look like he's going to Bubbs and Zionsville. 242 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. That two thousand and seven season for Reggie one 243 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: hundred and four catches, fifteen hundred yards, touchdowns, lex Rickey 244 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: year one hundred and six catches, thirteen fifty yards, five touchdowns. 245 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: He led the league in receiving yards. Yeah two you 246 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: said it was seven Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's 247 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: a great Colts team with Marvin Owt. 248 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not even factoring in, as you mentioned, all 249 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: the postseason success that he had as well transitioning now 250 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: to the Colts guneral manager. We evaluated who do we 251 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: evaluate last week? 252 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: Last week we did Rich Dive. So yeah, we'll do 253 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: about and Styke in these. 254 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: Next year yep, So next week we'll do Shane Styke 255 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: in this week evaluating Chris Ballard nine seasons as the 256 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: Colt student manager. This is available on one to seventy 257 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: five with the fan dot Com. Do you want to 258 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: start with the good? You want to be mister positive, 259 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: you want to start with the ugly? Yeah, we'll start 260 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: with the good. In the nine years before Chris Ballard 261 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: drafted offensive hits, We'll start there. 262 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: There's no denying that. First off, he's drafted a ton 263 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: of offensive personnel that's really key to the team. Right now, 264 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: let's just start very blanket in terms of the starting 265 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: lineup and that unit. I mean, this past year finished 266 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: top ten in scoring, and I think for the most part, 267 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: you look at the individual pieces on that offense and 268 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: you would point to them being pretty good players. Obviously 269 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: varying degrees, but you know, whether it's Taylor, whether it's Warren, 270 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: whether it's the white Outs. I mean, you drafted all 271 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: the white outs of of you know, major note and 272 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: then the offensive line I mean across the board. It's 273 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: five for five there in terms of drafted with Ryman, 274 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: with Nelson, Ordeline Eganzalveez and then Braden Smith or Jalen 275 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: Travis here moving forward. So you know, obviously if you 276 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: look at it in an individual year vacuum, I think 277 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: it's an unquestioned win as well when he's drafted the 278 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: offensive hits that he has had. And also I think 279 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: you could look at a little bit big picture too 280 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: and believe in many of those pieces on that side 281 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: of the ball. So I think sitting here right now 282 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: going into year ten, it's probably the biggest positive on 283 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: his resume. It's just the amount of offensive talent that 284 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: he has drafted. 285 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then for you, you put this as a wing 286 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: getting Sauce Gardner, and on the piece on what is 287 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: some fight fan dot com you say, for me, the 288 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: questions on the Sarce Gardner trade is more on the 289 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: plate of Carl urse Gordon knowing the major long term 290 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: ramifications of such a move. But Ballard found a way 291 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: with some serious resources leaving the building to acquire a 292 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: player like Sauce, who is still in his prime and 293 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: on a reasonable contract at a premium position when healthy, 294 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: he should give the Cults a really important piece. Hitting 295 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: on successful cornerback draft picks has not been a forte 296 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 2: of Ballard, hence the urgency when such a trade he 297 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: became possible. 298 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I tried to lay it out there in 299 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: what you just read off Eddie of like the Sauce 300 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: Gardner trade has it's complicated, like you obviously sent out 301 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: two first round picks, you sent out Ady Mitchell, Like, 302 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: there are a lot of aspects to the trade. But 303 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: if you are just evaluating player acquisition, he was able 304 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: to go out and get a high level corner at 305 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: the age of twenty five, who is on a reasonable contract, 306 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: you know. I mean that is again if you're just 307 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: evaluating strictly off of a player acquisition, right, you know 308 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: you have improved a premium position. 309 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 310 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: That had not been a very frequent hit rate really 311 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: at all in his tenure, particularly when it came to 312 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: the draft. So now the complications are more so, as 313 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: I pointed out here the Carli ros Gordon aspect of 314 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: should she have green lit it? Did Ballard? You know, 315 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: Earn it. You can make the apples to apples to 316 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: the current Pacers situation, Eddie. You know, in trading for 317 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: Avitza Zubats and you look at the amount of draft 318 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: picks there are very similarity to the sauce garter trade. Now, 319 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: Kevin Pritchard's trade record is borderline brilliant. 320 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: Yea. 321 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: And the Pacers were a half away from winning all 322 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: last year. They got to the Eastern Conference finals the 323 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: year before. They're in a very clear championship window. Kevin 324 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: Pritchard and Rick Carlisle very accomplished. I mean Ricarlo as 325 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame coach. And you know again, Kevin 326 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: Pritchard has helped build this team in a champion to 327 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: a champion. Yes, so that's different than obviously the Colts 328 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: given their current situation. 329 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: So I guess Stiching technically is a champion right. 330 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: Uh No, Philly lost, right, did they? Yeah? Because he 331 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: thinks about that game all the time. That was the 332 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: that was a great super that was the year before. Yeah, 333 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: then they smashed Kansas City whenever it was last year 334 00:16:54,360 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: two years ago. So yeah, that's again for evaluating players acquisition, 335 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 1: I would call this a win. Is it as Crystal 336 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: Clear maybe as the other No, And obviously we didn't 337 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: see Sauce Gardner for very long. But I think in 338 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: the small flashes of it and glimpses of it, some 339 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: of my take it's premature to call this a win. 340 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: Obviously you're struggling to find many wins in the Chris 341 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: Ballad era, to be totally honest with you, so I 342 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: had to remind myself of times, don't do this just 343 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: because you feel like you need to fill up the 344 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: win category because there's not many. But I do think 345 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: this is a legitimate when it's just there are some 346 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: other pieces to the trade that organizationally probably above Ballard. 347 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: I don't think we're as properly examined. 348 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. And it's 349 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: kind of sad, Kevin that we're sitting here and he's 350 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: been here for nine years and on your list of 351 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: the good for evaluating Ballad, that's it. 352 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: That's it. There's a lack of Well, I guess let's 353 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: just get in the losses because I feel like the 354 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: losses or the whatever the bad of it, we'll probably 355 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: explain it. 356 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, number one on your list here is uh, we'll 357 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: start with the collapsing culture. Rather unfortunate yet consistent aspects 358 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 2: of the Colts in this five year playoffs drought has 359 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: been the issues and finishing off seasons. Ballot acknowledged this 360 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: issue during his end of season press or. Poor finishes 361 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: have been there no matter the head coach throughout these 362 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 2: five years without the postseason. Given the different coaches, are 363 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: the persisting, persisting late season problems more in the personnel 364 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 2: assembled by the long time general manager. 365 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually a question I threw his way, you know, 366 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: during the end of the season press conference and acknowledge 367 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: it's it's a question he doesn't have answer to. And 368 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: when you look at the five years that there are 369 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: very different collapses. You know, this past year, obviously you 370 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: had some injuries that contribute to it. I'm never going 371 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: to completely ignore that. He also had some straight losses. 372 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: You know, you look back the previous year. You know, 373 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: really probably the Drew Locke game is what people remember 374 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: the most about that. You know, the year prior to that, 375 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, they were in the best position in 376 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: the final week of the season to you know, the 377 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: win and get in game against Houston, but still in 378 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: December of that year, you lose to Jake Browning and 379 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: Taylor Heineke. And then you go back to twenty twenty two. 380 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: Obviously you had the massive collapse of another seven straight 381 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: losses with Jeff Saturday, and the season historical moments within 382 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: that collapse, you know, Dallas, the fourth quarter in Dallas, 383 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: the second half in Minnesota, and then the first playoff 384 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: year drought. Twenty twenty one. Of course you had the 385 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: Raiders and the Jags back to back Week seventeen and eighteen. 386 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: All yeah, I do is win one. I think interim 387 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: head coach. I think goes Basacia if I'm not mistaken 388 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: with the Raiders, and then you lose to lowly Jags 389 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: in week eighteen. So you know, when I say collapsing culture, 390 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: this is again kind of where I'm at of how 391 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: much of this is just personnel. You've had three different 392 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: head coaches over those five years. You know, is it 393 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: purely a coach thing or is it more just on 394 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: the you know, personnel that has assembled or the culture 395 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: that's in the building under his watch. So I would 396 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: put that as a loss right now. It's not like 397 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: they've backed, you know, sometimes back door their way into 398 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: having a whatever eight to nine season. They haven't done that. 399 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: They haven't they play as sending football late in the year. 400 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: I guess it's probably the simplest way to put it. 401 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a great way to put it, because 402 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: if you look at the overall success, keV, they always 403 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 2: come out you know, typically at least under the bathed era. 404 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: They have struggled in September, figured it out in October, November, 405 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: in the early part of December, and then the midway 406 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: point of December to the start of January, it's all downhill. Yeah, right, 407 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 2: they're at the bottom quartile. 408 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: Yep, yep uh. 409 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: Still kind of big picture the resume lacking. We've kind 410 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: of hinted at it, keV. Do you have anything else 411 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: to add on that aspect of Chris. They're in the 412 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 2: in terms of the losses. 413 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the resume is just very It's the 414 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: county numbers, of course, it's the zero division titles, it's 415 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: the one playoff win, it's the two playoff appearances if 416 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: you want to point two. Because I tried to do 417 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: it a combo. I tried to evaluate the individual season 418 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: and then also the entire resume for each of these. 419 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: If you want to boil it down to this season, 420 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: you did miss winning the division by five games and 421 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: the wild card by three. 422 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,719 Speaker 3: After being up eight and two, right, I mean, those 423 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: are the big numbers when you boil down to it, 424 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 3: it's I think it's surprises some people by how many 425 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: games you missed the playoffs by. 426 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I didn't include this in the resume 427 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: is still lacking. But you and I have gotten in 428 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: this debate before, Eddie, and you know, we brought up 429 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: the Vikings GM a couple of weeks ago. Some people 430 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: evaluate the GM off of purely draft picks, others evaluate 431 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: more of the team results. Now some do both. But 432 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: when you say the resume is still lacking, again, I've 433 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: pointed out the county numbers, But right now you would 434 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: call the Anthony Richardson draft pick a swing and a miss. 435 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: So if that indeed happens, that is also a very 436 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: very ugly stain on the resume, which again I think 437 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: kind of falls into You know, when you evaluate a 438 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: head coach, it's pretty much purely wins and losses, whereas 439 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: the GM, you know, you can point to some individual 440 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: draft hits or misses within that, there's no more precious 441 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: pick than you know, four overall in his era, and 442 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 1: obviously that was a huge miss. 443 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting that you didn't put in here, like 444 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: you mentioned in the in the wins, the drafted offensive hits, 445 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 2: the in the losses column, the drafted defensive misses. 446 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: Well, and that was my first one here and the 447 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: losses I do put in here more defensive retooling. 448 00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 2: Yep. 449 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: So, and you could make the argument the defense has 450 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: been probably more of his baby like he really wanted 451 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: this specific system, He really wanted, you know, specific personnel 452 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: to change. And I would say by and large that 453 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: unit has underwhelmed now, especially here recently in kind of 454 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: the four or five year playoff drive that you're in here, 455 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: it certainly has. And you know, basically he's got to 456 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: clean up his own mess. Is how you would look 457 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: up this defense and we'll see how much cleaning up 458 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: is going to happen. You know, I've kind of set 459 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: the over under. If I said to you Addy, three 460 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: and a half new. 461 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: Defensive starters for next year, ooh under under the question 462 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: mark would be uh zaire for me. 463 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: See, I say, a definite defensive end, a definite linebacker. 464 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: And now it's what about your various ward about Nick Cross. Yeah, 465 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: is that how you get to four? Now some might 466 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: throw in there another front seven. You know, could there 467 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: be three new starters in the front seven, right, that 468 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: would probably have to be two linebackers in an end. 469 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: I assume Buckner, Stewart and Lattu. Yeah, starting, Yeah, so 470 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: obviously the starter opposite a lot too. And then to 471 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: your point about Franklin and then Jermaine Pratt who was 472 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: a free agent. So again, defensively, it's been a loss. 473 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: And that's where when we got into the Seattle New 474 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: England debate with a Super Bowl Eddie, that to me 475 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: is probably the one where I point more on you know, hey, 476 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: what are the Colts not done right that these Super 477 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: Bowl teams have? Yes, so you can point to Darnald 478 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: in May, But like hitting on May is simply do 479 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: you hit on the draft pick or do you not? 480 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: Right? 481 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: Like it's very black and white. You missed on Richardson, 482 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: they hit on May. The defense, there's a lot that 483 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: goes into that. I mean, if you look at it, 484 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: I want to say New England spent, but they spent 485 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: a ton last year at free agency, particularly in the 486 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: front and they obviously reaped the benefits. You know, I 487 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: mentioned Seattle earlier. They have drafted talent. Witherspoons are drafted talent. 488 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: Murphy is a draft of talent. They've got some of 489 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: those guys on the fits the side of the ball. 490 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: But whether it's Julian Love, whether it's you know, a 491 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: ton of those guys in the front seven, they have 492 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: just played elsewhere and they've identified well in the pro 493 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: scouting business and and brought them in. Whereas you look 494 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: at the Colt situation, it's a defensive routinely ranked in 495 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: the twenties here in in scorn. 496 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: Anything else you want to add here in terms of 497 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: the losses to be determined, No. 498 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: I think good. I think God covers everything for me. 499 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 2: One thing that I would add, this is more of 500 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: a personal thing than anything else, was just the lack 501 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: of urgency to address the quarterback position for the long term. 502 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's very fair. 503 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 2: Just yeah, because considering where the NFL is at. 504 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm gonna say probably some of the past ones. Again, 505 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: I try to marry both like career versus most recent 506 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: season that just occurred. I'm sure some of my past 507 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: ones probably had a little bit of that front and center. So, yeah, 508 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: that is I think that's a good point. 509 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 2: You ready for Twitter questions? That's We've got four of them, 510 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 2: starting with Colton, how would you feel about this offseason? Oh? 511 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: That's it, that's it. 512 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: Oh oh, maybe I didn't send you the entire question 513 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: here because I feel like he adds a couple of things. 514 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: Let me let me throw throw these at you here, 515 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: we'll go reverse. 516 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 2: Okay, well we'll. 517 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: Pivot here as I as I fumbled. 518 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: That one, is this Walter white from breaking down looking through. 519 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: My DMS here? Okay, Colton says this, howould you feel 520 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: about this off season? Eddie? Don't resign Pierce and draft 521 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: a wide out in round two. Sign a cheap veteran 522 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: safety instead in a cross use the money you say 523 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: for Alec Pearson. Get a pass rusher. So three things, No, 524 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: Piers draft a white out in two, get cheaper at safety, 525 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: let crosswalk, use the money from Pierce, and go pass rusher. 526 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: Can hear you out on the safety part. I can't 527 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: hear you out on Piers. I just can't let him 528 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 2: walk and keep Pittman at that number. I understand that 529 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 2: Pittman's a big locker room guy. He's he's been a 530 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: captain for years now, but to be paying him as 531 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 2: of right now as we record here at ten thirty 532 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: on Monday morning, he cannot be your most expensive player 533 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: with the lack of elite production that he has given you. 534 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not in my head at that. Boy. 535 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 2: I just. 536 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: First off, I'm gonna go here. Who is the rusher? 537 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: That was the third part of it. 538 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: You know, the Trey Henderson thing is not younger faster 539 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: if you want. I mean, we'll see what happens. There's 540 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: some chatter out there Cincinnati could just tag him, you know, 541 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: is it Jalen Philip the uh the oh Way who 542 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: was traded from Baltimore to San Diego or to la 543 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: I kind of like him. I'll be curious to see 544 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: what he garners on the open market. He's very intriguing 545 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: to me. 546 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a good twenty four to twenty five 547 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: season and then he was struggling in Baltimore, but then 548 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: was portraded and then he was back to the twenty 549 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: four to twenty five version of himself. Yeah. 550 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: Again, you've got some Baltimore history on your staff, so 551 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: you know they might know a little bit more. Whatever 552 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: backstory or right there. Yeah, you don't re sign Pierce 553 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: and then you draft a wide out round two. It's 554 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: just it's the immediate hit on that wide out. You know. Like, Okay, 555 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: Malachi Field seems to be kind of the talk of 556 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and he's got some similar skill set 557 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: to Pierce. But again, I just I understand where you're 558 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: coming from on this, Colton, but I don't understand necessarily 559 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: like that money is going where. Like I think you 560 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: could create some cap space, be very competitive in the 561 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: past rushing market and still bring back Pierce. Now you're 562 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: gonna have to do some stuff, don't get me wrong 563 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: to maneuver money there. You know, safety, I think is 564 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: the hardest debate. What do you do across and what's 565 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: the safety market? I mean, that's a position that I 566 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: feel like is underwhelmed every year in the market. But 567 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: you know, then you see some of these situations play 568 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: out and all of a sudden, these guys come in 569 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: and impact. And in New England for example, that Craig Woodson. 570 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he had a great, great rookie season for 571 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: him and he was what third or fourth round pick. 572 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, is that a position that you 573 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: can find a little bit more out of there. So, boy, 574 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: I just think of Pierce Walks. It's a lot to 575 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: bank on. 576 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: I know I agree with you. I don't. 577 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: I don't think i'd be a fan of it, But 578 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: I guess I think you can do a little bit 579 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: more than what he's laying out here. But they're gonna 580 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: have to do things they haven't done before, i e. 581 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: With their cap situation. Yeah, we'll get to Walter White's question. 582 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: I don't think it's Walter White, but we'll get to 583 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: Walter's question here in a minute. 584 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: Sam is next. Sam states, I was listening to your 585 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson podcast, and you're hypothetical with Daniel Jones retearing 586 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: his achilles. My Devil's advocate would argue, do we even 587 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: think Anthony Richardson would beat out Riley Leonard in training camp? 588 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: I know Leonard had a solid first career star versus Houston, 589 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: but he could run the offense more efficiently than Richardson, 590 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: and that might be all Stichen would need compared to 591 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: the up and down nature of Richardson's game. 592 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's a fair question, Sam. You know 593 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: the thing about Richardson is we just saw so little 594 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: of him this past season. You know, if you want 595 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: to play this out here, let's say Daniel Jones isn't 596 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: cleared until training camp. I mean, I guess he could 597 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: probably do some stuff in the spring, but let's just 598 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: say that out you know, that allows you what eight 599 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: or nine practices in the spring to do the Richardson 600 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: and Leonard thing. Now, I think RDA. Leonard's done a 601 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: very nice job here in his small sample size. But 602 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: I also can sit here and say, like, I mean, 603 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: we are judging just a game and a half. Oh 604 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: granted one of those games he did play a great 605 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: defense at least for half in Houston, but you know, still, 606 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: I mean it is just a game and a half. 607 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: So the small minority says we don't have the definite 608 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: answer on Daniel Jones's torn achilles though, And that's where 609 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: you know there are some people. I don't think there's 610 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people, but I brought it up last 611 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: week Eddie of like, you don't let Richardson walk because 612 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: Jones isn't proven to be durable. Yeah, sustainable, However, you 613 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: want to kind of pinpoint that, So, yeah, I don't 614 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: know if we're quite there yet, Sam of like you 615 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: just hand Leonard those keys and all of a sudden 616 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: he's clearly above Richardson. I don't. I think it's a 617 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: tad premature to go that route, but obviously the gap 618 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: has closed. Certainly you would view that aspect to it. So, 619 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, it's ten 620 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: point eight million, it's it's rich to, you know, have 621 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: him back, especially when you don't expect him to play 622 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: at all. 623 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 2: There. 624 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: Boy, it's kind of crazy how much Leonard did for 625 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: himself in that Week eighteen game, isn't it. I know, right, 626 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: this question wouldn't even be thought of well after that. 627 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: The other aspect we have to also remember is that 628 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: Houston didn't play their starters for most of that game, 629 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: right for the second half. Yeah, starters weren't there until halftime, 630 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: which you know, I thought he did a nice job 631 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: in the first half. I just I'm probably more in 632 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: the well honestly, all the time that this gets brought up, 633 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: I can want going back to, like Leonard not not 634 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: playing over Rivers, like the Riley and then the Riley 635 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: Leonard knee injury. It turned out to be like one 636 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: of the bigger stories of the year. You know, it's 637 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, he comes in and tells 638 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: him's got knee injury. Then he's a full participant on 639 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: Wednesday of practice. I like, which you know you and 640 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: I had this debate back when that happened. It's like, 641 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: if your starting quarterback is a full participant on a 642 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: Wednesday in practice, he plays right. If he's a full 643 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: partisan on Friday in practice, he plays, Yeah, And he 644 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: was bypassed for Uncle Phil. 645 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 2: This is a good one from Tom. Looking at the 646 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 2: teams who made it far into the playoffs this year, 647 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 2: Tom was wondering which teams have paths or made specific 648 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 2: moves that could be quote replicated by the Colts. 649 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, New England did a lot in the free 650 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: agency money. Now, remember Eddie, they're doing the rookie contract 651 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: quarterback thing yep, which the cults are about to not 652 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: be doing. You know, they they took a chance on 653 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: Diggs coming off the ACL, but they took a lot 654 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: of front seven free agency money. And you know, I'll 655 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: go back to the Craig Woodson thing. I mean that 656 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: was a fourth round pick leading them in defensive snaps. 657 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: That's pretty unprecedented. I want to say they had I 658 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: think they had another day to pick on their own line. Granted, 659 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: probably not a good time to talk about their own line, 660 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: but you know, some of that draft hitting is what 661 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: the cults are going to need to do. And then 662 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: again Seattle, they obviously like Murphy was the high draft pick. 663 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: Obviously Witherspoon was the high draft pick defensively, but they 664 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: also did a lot of that building outside of the draft. 665 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: The boy. I found myself last week thinking about, do 666 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,919 Speaker 1: you remember when the Colts played the Patriots, which time, well, yeah, 667 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: exactly with Richardson last year? Yeah, h I guess two 668 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: years ago this point, and Richardson leads him on that 669 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: late drive. You remember that, like that nineteen play drive 670 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: he had all those fourth down conversions, find Pierce on 671 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: the fourth down for the touchdown and then runs it 672 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: in for the two point version. Yep, nineteen play, eighty 673 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: yard game when he. 674 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 2: Touched on two fourth downs, right. 675 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: I thought there might have been three. I think he 676 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: had one to Ali Cox early in the drive just 677 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: to kind of get it going, you know, backed up, 678 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: and then I want to say he had one that 679 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: he made with his legs, and then he had the 680 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,479 Speaker 1: Pierce touchdown it just like it's wild that that game. 681 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: I think it was a December game if memory serves, 682 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: and Drake May was very good in that game. 683 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 2: To be fair, December December first, was it? Yeah? 684 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: Like here we are Eddie. Fourteen months later, Drake May 685 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: was one vote short of winning the MVP. And you 686 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: would trade Anthony Richardson for you know, a bag of 687 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: cool Ranch of Nacho cheese Doritos? 688 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 2: Three four downs on that? 689 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: What's better? 690 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 2: Cool rancher, Nacho cheese, Nacho cheese? 691 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: Is it close? It didn't sound close in your eyes. 692 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 2: No, it's not close. 693 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: I mean I love Dorito's, love them max Bone, close 694 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: them Burritos. Uh, I could go, I could go either. 695 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: Cool Ranch has really grown on me. And by growing, 696 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: I mean it was never bad, but it's even more. 697 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 2: You just have a new found respect, oh so much. 698 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 2: Just love it. 699 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I want to make that seasoning in my kitchen. 700 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 2: I think they sell it in stories. Maybe really, I 701 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 2: don't know. 702 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: I'd have to. 703 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 2: I'd have to have a tease. 704 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: You can't just do that. If you're gonna come with that, 705 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: you better be confident. 706 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 2: Final question is from Walter's Sick If you're wrong, Walter says, 707 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 2: I would love to have Daniel Jones back, but at 708 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 2: the same time, where do you think the cutoff is 709 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 2: for salary and years. I wouldn't want to overpay him 710 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 2: and we lose out on some of our other free 711 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 2: agents like Nick Cross or Alec Pierce. I did. He 712 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,959 Speaker 2: had an awesome first eight games, but at the same time, 713 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 2: he has a career that has been up and down 714 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,959 Speaker 2: and play and has been injured frequently. He has had 715 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 2: one season that he's able to play all sixteen games. 716 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 2: Now me knock Anthony Richardson in his three years on 717 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 2: the team for injuries, but Daniel Jones is no stranger 718 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 2: to missing games as well to some It all up. 719 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 2: What number do you think would prompt Ballard and Carly 720 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 2: orc Gordon to just let him walk? And if they did, 721 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 2: who would you like for them to pursue. It's a 722 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: long shot, but if the Texans let him walk, I'd 723 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 2: like c J. Stroud. 724 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: Boy, Walter, here's a better chance of you walking to 725 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: Houston and CJ. 726 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 2: Stroud, Well, we shouldn't say that you don't know where 727 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 2: Walter's from. Well, he could be sending this question from Houston. 728 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: He could be from a whatever the burger place is 729 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: called down there, and he can walk all over to 730 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,919 Speaker 1: NRG Stadium. I don't know what are we saying three 731 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: for a hundred. 732 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 2: I think that's what we talked about last week because 733 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 2: that was the Baker Mayfield deal. 734 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 1: Maybe, you know, I think the length of the contract 735 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: will be something. Obviously I'm curious about. You know, where's 736 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: the two to three years? You know, I brought up 737 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,479 Speaker 1: Minnesota on last week's pod. You know, how much, if any? 738 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: Are they an actual threat? If he walks? What would 739 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: you do? I mean, what's the list? Rogers Willis, Malik Willis, 740 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: That is Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins. Did I see he's 741 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 1: about to be released? 742 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 2: That is correct? Yes? 743 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: Gosh, do you call Rivers back? 744 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, he made it sound like he was done. 745 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: You imagine, boy, if he walks. I got no idea, Walter, 746 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: I got no idea every part of it. Say just 747 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: throw richardson out there. If it goes disaster, well, you 748 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: don't have your first round pick. 749 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 2: I forgot about that. 750 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm probably at a threshold of like three for 751 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: a hundred. I don't want three for a hundred. I'm 752 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: probably more in the two camp. I'm probably more than 753 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: the two for whatever. You know, if you want to go, 754 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: was that thirty five annually something like that thirty three annually? 755 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: Franchise tag is forty six. I just to me, the 756 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: franchise tag is so rich for one year when he 757 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: might not be himself for some of that year, Like 758 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't want to play that game. And 759 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: I can hear other people that say, hey, you know, 760 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: if you do too, then all of a sudden he 761 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: whatever kind of quickly if he starts to play, well, 762 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: then you're gonna pay him real you know, real real 763 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: money whatever, more than four or five year rowe to 764 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: me a good problem to have. And at that point, 765 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, your first round pick is back on the table. 766 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: You know, if you do the two years and he's 767 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: struggling or whatever, you don't want to continue it, then 768 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: you've got the first round pick. So that's probably where 769 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: I would go. But boy, it just seems like not 770 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: the Colts have backed themselves into a corner. But you know, again, 771 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: I'll continue to reiterate this ady publicly. I mean, these 772 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: two have expressed their love, like the junior high couple. 773 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: That's making out during the passing period. What do you 774 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: ever have those people like? I mean they're like openly 775 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: kissing in the hallway. 776 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. 777 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: I was always like, damn, my god, really it was 778 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: not me. It wasn't but like if but if it was, 779 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: like yeah, I just I don't know. They call it PDA, right, 780 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: public displays of affection. Yes, I'm not a big PDA 781 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: or really are you? 782 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 2: No? Have you seen this? 783 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: We end the pod. 784 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 2: I want to get this in her. You scene the 785 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 2: date for next year super Bowl? 786 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: Oh boy, pray for you out there. Don't say it 787 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: to me. Well, you know, we got the lottery, the 788 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,879 Speaker 1: NBA Draft lottery on. 789 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 2: Mother's Day, the Super Bowl next year on Valentine's Day, 790 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 2: I mean Mother's Day and Valentine's Day. The next day 791 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 2: is President's Day. 792 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, think about that. Valentine's Day and Mother's Day. 793 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: What are we doing? It's just unbelievable. I see we 794 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: have no shows next Monday because the President's Day? Is 795 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: that right? 796 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 2: Yes? That is correct? 797 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: Has that always been the thing? 798 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 2: Yes? 799 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: Really? 800 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 2: Yes? 801 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: Uh so next week will be what Tuesday? 802 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:56,479 Speaker 2: Yes? 803 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so I look for the pod coming up next Tuesday. 804 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 2: He is Edi Garrison evaluating Shane Stiking, right. 805 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: Siking, and I believe that it's the opening of the 806 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: franchise tag window two week period, so yeah, that'll be excellent. 807 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: The horizon here, so we'll see all the ducks in 808 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 1: the order from a head coaching staff for Clinton Kubiak 809 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: and Company, and exactly if there's any more lingering, I 810 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: guess the Colts still need to announce what their D 811 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: line coach situation is and some of that stuff, so 812 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: we'll hit on that and start to look ahead at 813 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 1: the NFL combine. He's Eddie Garrison, I'm Kevin Bone, and 814 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,720 Speaker 1: everybody have a great, great week. Thank you for listening 815 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,280 Speaker 1: to Colt's Corner with Kevin Bone.