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Speaker 2: Oh you immedia lead this just so we switch it

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Speaker 2: up for one. Thanks for the heads up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is Kennelly Casey. I'm Casey. That's Rob.

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Speaker 1: See you're doing fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Donald Trump. Guess what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, what is he doing.

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Speaker 2: He's suing his own justice department.

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Speaker 1: I saw this. This is actually very interesting. So Trump,

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Speaker 1: this was before he became president, was suing the Department

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Speaker 1: And again this was put into motion before he was

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Speaker 1: to apparently or allegedly trying to get a settlement. The Hill,

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Speaker 1: I think, amongst others, had articles about this, and there

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Speaker 1: now totally partisan people in Trump's orbit, and they could

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Speaker 1: the taxpayers of this country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the DOJ officials include Pambondi, Todd Blanche who's

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Speaker 1: Right, people are going.

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Speaker 3: To be determining whether he gets the two hundred and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's point that out. This is not five

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Speaker 1: He's asking for hundreds of millions of dollars. And I'm

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Speaker 3: The claims they focus on the Russia investigation and the

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Speaker 1: Well, sure, And I think the other concern about this,

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Speaker 3: So the experts are saying that this situation is bizarre

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Speaker 2: Now here's the deal with this.

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Speaker 3: The DOJ not required to publicly announce any settlements. So

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Speaker 3: The attorney general there is, assuming she was, she's filed

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Speaker 2: And what happened with that guy?

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Speaker 1: Now that's a site where gay men get together, is

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Speaker 3: Okay, So there's a recent Reuter's poll that says despite

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Speaker 1: Of the shutdown.

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Speaker 1: this is not good for our country, but there's less

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Speaker 3: Very secret conversations, no I'm totally prepared. Do you want

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Speaker 3: to talk about social Security? For this article in Indie Star,

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Speaker 3: we pick dealer's choice.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's do that. Okay, let's start with the social

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Speaker 1: security article because this is actually pretty.

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Speaker 2: Important for Okay, ninety percent of working.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm just kidding case he's always totally prepared.

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Speaker 1: I am the one who's never paying any attention. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for owning that shortcomings on her.

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Speaker 2: You should get a fact check her over there. By

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Speaker 2: the way, you should hire a staff.

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Speaker 1: What is going on with social security?

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Speaker 3: Ninety percent of working Americans plan to ignore the top

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Speaker 3: financial advice on social Security? What do you think it is?

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Speaker 3: What do you think is the number one financial tip

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Speaker 1: Don't pay into it because it ain't gonna be there.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's not allowed. You have to do that that

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Speaker 3: you're forced into that.

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Speaker 1: We have to. I have to stand by the rules

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't break any laws or oh I gotcha, Okay,

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Speaker 1: But I'm right, right, I mean, like Kev's got no shot.

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Speaker 3: Right, if he could not contribute to social Security, he

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Speaker 1: Now you're very well assembled and preserved, so people may

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Speaker 2: I do have a shot. I'm coming close to this.

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Speaker 1: Actually you're closing in I am. I mean you're sixty

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Speaker 3: Oh bath, there's anything wrong with being sixty three? I

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Speaker 1: I bet the all kitding aside case, he's only sixty

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Speaker 3: No, it is waiting until the age of seventy to

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Speaker 1: What if you don't live that long?

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Speaker 3: Well, ninety percent of Americans are ignoring that advice.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to be crass. And when I get that,

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Speaker 2: Sixty two?

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Speaker 1: Sixty two that's eight years. That's a long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So what you're saying is that you plan to ignore

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I mean maybe I'll even thought

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Speaker 2: It'll be silly. You'll be at Arby's.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. But I'm just saying, like it

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: And you hear people like Bill Demri et cetera, and

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Speaker 1: Because some stuff is taxable, some is not. You take

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Speaker 1: all of these things have to go into some sort

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Speaker 1: of plan. The bigger thing, though, is we're being totally

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Speaker 3: Okay, so if you do start claiming at the age

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Speaker 1: Okay, but you get it for eight years.

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Speaker 3: only ten percent of adults that they surveyed plan to

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Speaker 3: wait until they're seventy to claim benefits, while forty four

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because if you kick the bucket, the payments

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Speaker 1: It's not like you know, Harold has owed all this

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Speaker 1: It just goes like you don't you stop getting it, right,

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Speaker 1: they don't. I don't think they just give it to

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Speaker 2: No, your spouse can still get it.

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Speaker 1: Really, are you sure you said that you did an

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Speaker 1: your spouse can still get it? Yeah, you're not sure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll look it up right now. You filibuster for two.

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Speaker 3: I feel like my mom is still receiving Social Security

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Speaker 1: Legally if you pass away, I didn't want to put

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Speaker 2: Somebody screaming at the radio right now.

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Speaker 1: If you pass away? Oh oh this is Oh they're

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Speaker 1: You know what? The next thing that came up did

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the answer?

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is the internet. If you pass away, your

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Speaker 1: Social Security benefits may go to eligible family members, the

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Speaker 1: Children are dependents. A two hundred and twenty five lump

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Speaker 2: So I was right.

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Speaker 1: Eligibility no, wait, wait on her eligibility depends on factors

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Speaker 1: like relationship, age, and disability status, and you may also

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Speaker 3: So what my mom is getting is vib benefits from

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Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, you don't know what she's getting.

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Speaker 2: Oh say, I'm right, I was right?

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Speaker 1: Well then how to okay? Wait, wait, and I'm it

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Speaker 3: Right, and that's even you can do that even if

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Speaker 3: end up getting divorced, you can still claim your ex's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was gonna ask, Like you hear about

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Speaker 2: This?

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Speaker 1: Says children, unmarried, children under eighteen, or children of any

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Speaker 2: That's because they're considered minors, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've told my wife she's got a I don't know

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Speaker 1: The longer I live, the greater the payout is. And

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Speaker 1: He's like, you're not taking me down, because the longer

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Speaker 2: To sprinkle something in your food, helping me see the.

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Speaker 1: Longer she grins and bear in this marriage, the better

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Speaker 1: it's cap and the same thing for Livy. So I've

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Speaker 2: Do you know what the average life expectancy is?

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Speaker 1: This has been a while, but it was it seventy

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Speaker 3: They're saying eighty three point six years for men. No way,

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Speaker 1: For a way?

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Speaker 3: I'm saying that CBS News.

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Speaker 2: What's the average height?

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Speaker 3: All?

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Speaker 1: Right, here we go? According to this it was seventy

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Speaker 1: It was seventy five point eight for males and eighty

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Speaker 1: So the average life expectancy is seventy eight point four

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Speaker 3: So many people like you had mentioned thinking social security

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Speaker 3: To live comfortably. To retire comfortably, I mean that's well,

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Speaker 1: Well, that's right. I mean I could live on nine bucks.

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Speaker 1: And it's basically an article about where young Indiana Democrats

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Speaker 1: bad Republican you don't like.

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Speaker 3: The Indiana Democratic Party chair said that the party does

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Speaker 3: support progressive ideas like climate change and college costs, and

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Speaker 3: also wages, but because of the twenty one years of

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Speaker 3: Republican dominance here in Indiana, it has forced the Democrats

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Speaker 3: into a reactionary position which limits their progress. And she said,

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Speaker 3: you know, we have to meet people where they are.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, we're here in Indiana,

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Speaker 3: not in New York City.

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Speaker 1: It comes back to you, by the way, the Democrats

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Speaker 1: have care and Talian as the state party chair, she's

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Speaker 1: nine million years old. When she ran, she had no

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Speaker 1: ideas on anything, and thus you saw another year with

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Speaker 1: her at the helm and it's just been another meaningless disaster,

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Speaker 1: dumpster fire year. And what the Democrats need to do,

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Speaker 1: And we say this for all elections, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: this advice will be ignored in the order in which

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Speaker 1: it's received. The Democrats need to come up with because

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Speaker 1: we talk about in any election, whether you're running for

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Speaker 1: a city council race or a state House race or

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Speaker 1: for United States Congress, you got to pick four issues,

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Speaker 1: and you got to say, here's what we're riding with,

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Speaker 1: and you're not talking about anything else but those four issues,

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Speaker 1: and whatever question you get asked, you pivot in some

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Speaker 1: way back to those four issues and what that really does.

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Speaker 1: And look, I get that running a state party, you

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Speaker 1: can't control everyone. You can't. It's hard to you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like hurting cats, right, but collectively as a party

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Speaker 1: in the voice, and you gotta start putting presure on

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Speaker 1: everybody to say these are the talking points. And in

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Speaker 1: Indiana they're pretty easy talking points. Right. It's crony capitalism,

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Speaker 1: government corruption, We're going to clean that up. Listen to

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Speaker 1: who you know who's talking about that? Bo bye right.

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Speaker 1: They're going to talk about affordability of living, even though

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have anything to do with it. Who's talking

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Speaker 1: about it? Bo bye right? Like you could talk about

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Speaker 1: the property tax. I mean, there's a whole bucket of

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Speaker 1: things you could choose from where you're meeting the people,

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Speaker 1: where you're at, and if you had any amount of

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Speaker 1: self discipline whatsoever as a candidate, you could pivot back

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Speaker 1: on every question to those things. The problem is, these

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Speaker 1: people oftentimes are insane, crazy people and help them, so

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Speaker 1: they don't have any self discipline. And then you get

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Speaker 1: stuff talking about the ice and the no kings and

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Speaker 1: the environment. People don't care about that. Here, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to win elections talking about that. Here. What you

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Speaker 1: can talk about and how you meet people decides whether

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Speaker 1: you actually win these elections or not. And the Democrats

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Speaker 1: as an institution appear to show zero ability to keep

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Speaker 1: their rank and file on task and on track.

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Speaker 2: So there's this guy. He's in the fifth district.

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Speaker 3: His name is Jackson Franklin, and he's running against Victorious Sparts.

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Speaker 3: He calls himself a younger, angrier Bernie Sanders, and he

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Speaker 3: wants to focus on economic justice and anti establishment populism.

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Speaker 3: But calling your an angry, younger Bernie Sanders, that's really

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Speaker 3: not gonna help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll be able to focus on that from his

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Speaker 1: couch cushion, because that's where his ass is going to

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Speaker 1: be after the election, even though he's running against Victoria Sparts, right,

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Speaker 1: who was a very beatable person. We saw a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago they had to redraw the district. Now,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, I thought the districts were already drawn

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Speaker 1: super anyway, never mind, that's a conversation for another that's

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Speaker 1: a whole different that's the last time they rigged the

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Speaker 1: maps and to save her because she's such a nut

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Speaker 1: job that they knew she was gonna go down unless

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Speaker 1: they drew the district more. See this is the now

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. This is the great thing about

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Speaker 1: these Republicans. So they had a district which made Marion

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Speaker 1: County a little more competitive than it is now. But

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Speaker 1: because they knew Victoria Sparts was going down if they

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Speaker 1: didn't do something, they drew Marion County more blue to

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Speaker 1: make Victoria Sparks District more red. And then they'll have

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Speaker 1: the audacity to look at you and go, well, Marion

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Speaker 1: County is totally totally Jerry Matder in favor of the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: We got to do something about that, though they didn't

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Speaker 1: do it. But again, that's another conversation for another day.

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't let that go. The problem is nobody's

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Speaker 1: gon vote for this guy.

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Speaker 3: Well, part of the problem also is because he doesn't

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Speaker 3: have any money.

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Speaker 1: Well, but to make people aware of him, because he's

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Speaker 1: not seen as a serious person, Why does bo Bai

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Speaker 1: raise money because he's seen as a Now, obviously he's

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Speaker 1: got name, ide et cetera that helps him, but he

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Speaker 1: has seen John Mellencamp didn't cut him a ten thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars check because his last name is by. He cut

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Speaker 1: it to him because he sees the infrastructure and the

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Speaker 1: orbit and the machine around him.

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Speaker 2: And he thinks there's actual potential there that he could win.

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Speaker 3: Right. Absolutely, Mellencamp's just not lighting that ten thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: on fire.

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Speaker 1: Sure. So the problem for these Democrats and these young

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Speaker 1: people going, oh, we got to go further and further

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Speaker 1: for their left is they're just making themselves more and

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Speaker 1: more unelectable in a state like Indiana where you have

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Speaker 1: so many And this is what's so frustrating to me

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Speaker 1: about the Democrats. There are so many options on the

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Speaker 1: table to just say take it, just take it and

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Speaker 1: run with it, just talk about this thing, just stay

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Speaker 1: on this thing, and they will not do it, and

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Speaker 1: they get into all this goofy stuff that's such a

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Speaker 1: small portion of populace cares about it all, and those

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Speaker 1: that do, they're not able to organize or motivate to win,

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Speaker 1: and so they just remain professional losers.

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Speaker 3: So they say that their main issues for the Democrat

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Speaker 3: Party here in Indiana are economy, affordability, student debt, and

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Speaker 3: job in security, But seventy one percent are dissatisfied with

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Speaker 3: their choices of candidate candidates. Again, going back to your point,

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Speaker 3: stick to your main topics and just be normal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you talk about being disappointed in your candidates,

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Speaker 1: the problem is I'm guessing. I'm guessing on this. It's

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Speaker 1: that collectively there is no coherent Does this sound familiar?

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Speaker 1: There is no coherent vision. We started our show do

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Speaker 1: we start our show talking about this today? About the

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Speaker 1: lack of a coherent vision? Like what is the what

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Speaker 1: is the business plan of the brawn and minute, What

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Speaker 1: is the mission statement of the broad administration? What can

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Speaker 1: you look at and say, they're trying to blank you

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Speaker 1: don't know. Same thing with the Republicans in Washington. What

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Speaker 1: is the mission statement? What are they trying to fill

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Speaker 1: in the blank? You don't know? And it's the same

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Speaker 1: thing here when you don't have everybody moving in the

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Speaker 1: same direction, when you don't have everybody holding the football

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Speaker 1: moving together for a common goal, a common cause, a

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Speaker 1: common talking point. That whether you get a candidate in

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Speaker 1: Evansville or you get a candidate in Fort Wayne. Then

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Speaker 1: you just get this spaghetti gobbly gook of crap, and

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Speaker 1: then you get the weirdos in there, and you get

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Speaker 1: the total radical people and they get voices too, and

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Speaker 1: they make the local newspaper and people go, eh, no,

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 3: Right, and then you end up with twenty one years

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Speaker 3: of Republican majority in the state of Indiana.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: Did you see that the jim Orse Carmel property sold.

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Speaker 3: It was sold last week, ninety seven acres. We talked

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Speaker 3: about it before, how it was on the market. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: how much get How much did it get?

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Speaker 2: Oh? The thing is, let me see if I can

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Speaker 2: find it really quick? Uh, eleven point seventy five million.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this said, we had mentioned this that was

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Speaker 1: for sale, then there was an offer put in and

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Speaker 1: look fine, but this guy owned there was another house

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Speaker 1: that was for sale that got even more than that,

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Speaker 1: some lake house that we had touched on Lake Max

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Speaker 1: And now he's got this landing own. There was a

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Speaker 1: golf course that he took private. I think they're saying

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Speaker 1: maybecome public again. Like okay. My issue with all of

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Speaker 1: this is I have no problem with people earning as

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Speaker 1: much wealth as they possibly want. My issue with it

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Speaker 1: is when they have to take it from me in

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Speaker 1: order to get it, and when they have to take

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Speaker 1: it from you in order to get it, and much

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Speaker 1: of the Ursay's wealth. Let's just say it, it's highly

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Speaker 1: fraudulent because it's built on the backs of being taken

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Speaker 1: from poor and middle class people to give away to

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Speaker 1: him in that football stadium.

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Speaker 2: Taken from you.

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Speaker 3: Double whammy in this case because the person who bought

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Speaker 3: the property operates two hundred and twenty nine Arby's restaurants

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Speaker 3: across seventeen So yeah.

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Speaker 1: When I say finally fraudulently, I mean in the sensum

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Speaker 1: they didn't earn it. It was given to them. It

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Speaker 1: was taken from us and given to them.

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Speaker 3: Abdul's gonna join us next. It's ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: He's just a common name.

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Speaker 2: With his hands.

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Speaker 1: He's just a common name. So a munch build down

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Speaker 1: angry over the weekend didn't make a difference. Let's find out.

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Speaker 1: It's get at Casey, show of Rob Casey. Here, Look

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Speaker 1: who it is, author, broadcaster, attorney, not to anybody today

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Speaker 1: Indie Politics dot org and b will keep you boz. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Oh my friend, I's going good? All right? So you

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Speaker 1: and I and Jim Merritt got into this on State

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Speaker 1: House Happenings we recorded this morning, which we are Sunday

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Speaker 1: morning on WIBC, and you and I disagree on this.

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Speaker 1: Jameritz with me. Look, I think the showing at the

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Speaker 1: No Kings rallies, not just in downtown but across the

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Speaker 1: state a lot of Look, that's a lot of people, right,

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Speaker 1: it's impressive. You put six thousand and seven thousand and

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Speaker 1: five that whatever the number was, thought of people. Very impressive. However,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it moves the needle because it's Destiny Wells,

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Speaker 1: it's Andrea Hundley, it's Fatty Cadora. Like, it's not that

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Speaker 1: you don't have these people speaking that the populace at

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Speaker 1: large is going to gravitate to. It's not like you

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Speaker 1: got Mitch Daniels up there where people go, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can really see where this guy's coming from. I

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Speaker 1: definitely think they've energized their group of people. But in Indiana,

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Speaker 1: what's that get him? Every year? Losses at the ballot box.

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Speaker 1: You however, think this could make a difference.

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Speaker 5: Yes, because when I saw when I watched the kind

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Speaker 5: of the No Kings rally just sort of online the

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Speaker 5: monster with some of the social media chatter, it took

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Speaker 5: me back to two thousand and seven. Now, for those

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Speaker 5: of you who are kind of new to the game,

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Speaker 5: allow me to explain what happened in two thousand and

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Speaker 5: seven Indian Appolo. The crime was out of control. Property

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Speaker 5: texts were going through the roof, and the mayor at

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Speaker 5: the time, Bark Peterson, decided, Hey, you know, here's a

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Speaker 5: good idea. Let's go ahead and raise income taxes sixty

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Speaker 5: five percent. And people got mad, they got ticked off,

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Speaker 5: and there we was. And what dawned them me was

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Speaker 5: it was a It was a rally on Monument Circle,

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Speaker 5: uh and a and a property tax protest to see

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Speaker 5: robbing out the only part w can protest.

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Speaker 1: That's right text. They did it better than we did.

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Speaker 1: They got I think they got more people than we

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Speaker 1: ended up getting. They had.

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Speaker 5: They had several thousand people on Monument Circle on a

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Speaker 5: Sunday afternoon, all wearing black on in hot ass like August.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, this was not spread out over

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Speaker 5: social media because social media was in his infant sage

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Speaker 5: at the time. It was just a couple of blogs

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Speaker 5: and word of mouth, and that's and they end up

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Speaker 5: showing up and next you know, the effected change. That's

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Speaker 5: why I think that's where I think the No King's

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Speaker 5: Rally is right now and a bunch of people who

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Speaker 5: are mad and ticked off. Now, granted, you still got

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Speaker 5: to do the follow up and still got to do

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Speaker 5: everything else. But if I were Mike Brawn, I'd be like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: we need to we see the smoke signals now, we

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Speaker 5: need to start to head them off at the past.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise it's gonna be some serious trouble coming too any.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So and yes, I remember those vividly. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about that on the show before that. That was the

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Speaker 1: moment where I was like, I would really like to

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Speaker 1: get involved. That was the moment my life got ruined

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Speaker 1: because I was like, these people are very interesting. I

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Speaker 1: like what they're doing. I'd like to get more involved

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Speaker 1: in this. That was a horrible decision in hindsight, But yes,

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Speaker 1: but you had more hair. Well now, things that we

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Speaker 1: grow here into the abdula is our guests. The problem though,

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Speaker 1: is the property tax thing was very focused and it

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Speaker 1: was very close to an election in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 1: These people are just so all over the map, Like

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Speaker 1: I think it would be far more effective if they

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Speaker 1: had some sort of unifying voice, like you had that

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Speaker 1: lady that got dismissed from ball State up there, and

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Speaker 1: it's like you're not a sympathetic character at all, because

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Speaker 1: that was related to comments made about Charlie Kirk the

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Speaker 1: public and largest I go see that and go, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's get let's really get behind her now. The stuff

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Speaker 1: about redistricting, I get that. I think people see that

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Speaker 1: and go okay. But when you just have this like

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Speaker 1: shotgun type messaging and a bunch of the messaging doesn't

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Speaker 1: actually resonate with the populace at large, I think it

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Speaker 1: makes it hard to coherently mobilize.

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Speaker 5: I would agree with you if this were say April,

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Speaker 5: the month before the primary, or say September, right before

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Speaker 5: the general election, they have plenty of time to figure

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Speaker 5: out messaging and to get organized. But what the guide

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Speaker 5: it right now is just basically sort of the raw,

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Speaker 5: the raw talent or the or the raw numbers that

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Speaker 5: are out there. And as somebody with the charismatic personality

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Speaker 5: and a couple of quick cook well Line is a

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Speaker 5: really sharp guy, not me, because I'm not done.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no.

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Speaker 5: You end up with a movement, and I think there's

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Speaker 5: plenty of time for them to sort of craft their message.

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Speaker 1: But right now, the raw material is there. We got

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Speaker 1: into this in the state House happenings, and that was

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Speaker 1: that you're right, You and Jim were right. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about how the left obviously is very angry. In the

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Speaker 1: case of Indiana, the right is very angry because of

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Speaker 1: the continual tax increases, the growth of government, but they

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Speaker 1: feel like is mismanagement of the government property tax thing.

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Speaker 1: And so you have the broad administration which is getting

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Speaker 1: squeezed on both sides, like the state government getting squeezed

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Speaker 1: on both sides. Ron's poop ratings right now between twenty

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Speaker 1: five and thirty percent. Yeah, And so next year you

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Speaker 1: have what is sort of the last stand for the Democrats,

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Speaker 1: which will be the Secretary of States race. And if

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Speaker 1: they can't win with bo By, which is probably the

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Speaker 1: best they're going to do in terms of a candidate,

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Speaker 1: good looking, young guy, family name, raising a ton of

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Speaker 1: money running against presumably Diego Morales, who is just about

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Speaker 1: the worst you could possibly do. And you got all

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Speaker 1: these motivated people on both sides. This is sort of

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Speaker 1: the last stand for the Democrats.

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Speaker 5: If the Democrats cannot win under these circumstances, then they

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Speaker 5: may as well just fold up shop and turn everything

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Speaker 5: over to the Libertarian Party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree the hundred percent. Yeah, and so you're.

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Speaker 5: Right now, granted, anything can still happened between now and

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Speaker 5: then too. With that sort of caveat, can you motivate?

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Speaker 1: So that becomes the challenge, and that's what these people,

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Speaker 1: because let's face, they do need a ring leader, like

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Speaker 1: somebody to say, Okay, here's here's what we're doing with

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Speaker 1: this energy. They got to get that under control. And

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Speaker 1: they also got to get these people, the insane people,

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Speaker 1: to be pushed to the back because the problem is,

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Speaker 1: and you we know this that happens every election where

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Speaker 1: people are like, well, yeah, the Republicans stink, and they

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Speaker 1: raise my taxes and the bad government and the crony

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Speaker 1: capitalism and of this and then that. But then they

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Speaker 1: see like the woman in was it Chicago that was

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Speaker 1: doing the gun to the neck thing, and they go,

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Speaker 1: but I can't have that running society. And so that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the balancing act is putting the costume people

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Speaker 1: in a closet somewhere and trying to take the energy

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Speaker 1: and appeal to the normal people.

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Speaker 5: Or if you're gonna have a person of costume, have

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Speaker 5: a person of costume that actually matters well, right, not

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Speaker 5: like not like the Libertarian presidential nomination where they had

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Speaker 5: the one guy who looks like the Knight from Monty Python,

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Speaker 5: the Holy Grail, we.

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Speaker 1: Have the Night to Saint Me, not not that guy.

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Speaker 5: But you need somebody, You need somebody that is very

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Speaker 5: easy for the audience to get their arms around. No,

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Speaker 5: here's a person who, Hey, I had healthcare, I was

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Speaker 5: I was doing fine. They raised my health care crisis

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Speaker 5: or my property taxes. We lost our farm because of

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Speaker 5: X Y Z. And that's the trick about populism is

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Speaker 5: you got to have the right person to challenge. Which

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Speaker 5: why we'll give Donald Trump credit. Donald Trump tapped into

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Speaker 5: it and has wrote that puppy for as long as

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Speaker 5: he possibly could.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go. Braun came out and said,

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Speaker 1: well we got to do this by you know, basically

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Speaker 1: mid November, the redistricting at the latest, or it's done.

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Speaker 1: They know what they're doing, Right, he's putting that out

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Speaker 1: there because he knows it's going. There's no way he'd

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Speaker 1: say that not knowing where it's going. Or it's probably

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Speaker 1: trying to apply pressure to lawmakers. Do you think they

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Speaker 1: have I mean, if they had the people, they would

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Speaker 1: call the thing. Right, if they had the votes, we

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 5: Here's the thing. If they had the votes, JD. Vans

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Speaker 5: wouldn't be here like two three different times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but where are they going to get them? Like

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Speaker 1: what pressure are they applying? Where are they going to

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Speaker 1: get the whatever votes they need? Because presumably it's the

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Speaker 1: Senate and they're shortened. Senate, Well, what you do.

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Speaker 5: Is like hey, senator, blah blah blah, you need you

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Speaker 5: know this hospital permit proved, We can do that for you.

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Speaker 5: Or if you don't do it, this this will happen.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna make an offer that you can't refuse. But

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Speaker 5: they haven't done that already. But this is for five

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Speaker 5: months now. Well from what I've hold, what I've been told,

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Speaker 5: they've they've started. But also people getting pushed back because

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Speaker 5: Senator's like, okay, if you're going to screw with my district.

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Speaker 5: I'll show you. Yeah, me and my me and my

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Speaker 5: forty closest friends will get even to grow to quote

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Speaker 5: the Great Doctor Evil. How about no.

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